Man can we all take a second to appreciate just how unbelievably good this channel is and how enjoyable to watch and also well explained and high quality those videos are? Great job man
Me: *thinks I know enough about speedrunning* Bismuth: if this pixel in the fourth sub zone of 5-2 when the timer is at exactly 153 and your coins are at 15 isn’t 5% greener than it is in a normal game your entire run is over
Video: Let's see how this runner saved time and how he could have done better. Me, unfamiliar with SMB speedrun techniques: Great! Let's go! Video: He got this powerup really quickly. Me: Sounds reasonable. Video: He clipped through this wall. Me: Clever! Advanced techniques, I like it. Video: *Goes into inexplicable detail on framerules changing variables whole stages before they're evident* Me: Uhhh
I have never programmed on the NES but generally using time for random variables is very common even nowadays. Computers are not truly random and the random number generators just use a series of calculations to produce a sequence of numbers that appear random. The first input in that sequence is commonly called the seed, if you start the sequence with the same seed you will get the exact same sequence of pseudo random numbers. I order to add some more randomness we usually don't hardcode the seed into the software, but we use something like the time instead. Because the users will not all start the game at the exact same time it will appear random to them.
I imagine you'd need emulator brute forcing tools to find all those favorable Bowser/firebar patterns to chain together. And is there a limit to how long a runner can reasonably wait on the title screen to advance the RNG? And with such low odds, suppose the first favorable pattern required several minutes of sitting on the title screen - would anyone even bother?
@ADEBISI ADEBISI I don't think I'm making it sound as impressive as it actually is. It already takes a long time just to have a run that makes it to world 8.
Great video! I'd predict that 18:58 is pretty much the human limit for a full warpless run. If someone gets a 18:57 in the future and I'd still be shocked. Hope to see a warpless TAS explanation & history video soon. :D
@Kenneth Miner I don't see any point of that. There might be people wishing to see real-time speedrun with L+R, but that doesn't mean we should make that.
Killing it with these breakdowns! Would love to see them for even more games, this is the sort of content that the speedrunning community has been missing the last fifteen years
I personally need more videos about Super Mario Bross speedrunds. No matter if it's warpless or any %, just keep talking about this. It makes me chill and relaxed :)
When I started playing video games, I was pretty sure there would not be this much research required. I am, however, incredibly impressed that there are people who can do the research and those who pull off these amazing fears.
I'm currently binge watching your whole channel. Dude you are SO underrated. All of your videos are so wonderfully written, it's a real pleasure to watch. Thanks a ton for spending that much time
there are still many tricks that could be utilized to save more framerules, ofcourse these added tricks will mean it will take hundreds or even thousand+ hours to get new records, but it will be done
I don't. Imagine when somehow somewhen we reach perfect TAS time. Literally no time to improve, not even 1 frame. Literal perfection. I find it incredibly satisfying. Just like it happened with Dragster.
I’m not even the biggest gamer, but I find the world of speed running (especially SMB speed running) totally fascinating! How people discover these glitches and how to perform them consistently blows my mind.
Great run in GSA, I was rooting for you from the very start. It was a good time watching you dude. Your first match against Oshi, was legendary, with one life and 1 chance... Man, it was great. Awesome time!
The part that always gets me about SMB runs is that it's at a point where "better execution" isn't ever the solution. It's always about adding more and more tricks. No matter what there's zero room for error, you have to pick the fastest route you're capable of executing flawlessly.
I'd like to see people do "Double" versions of the "warpless" run. So you have to do the normal run, and THEN the very slightly different run with the buzzy beetles. The few very slight changes would make muscle memory a bit harder.
always look forward to your videos man, if you wouldn't mind doing other speedruns too like another SM64 one, or perhaps another popular speedrun I'm sure tons of people would love that. keep up the great work man!
Well, technically you would be able to match the TAS's record of 18:33.500. However, even if you were allowed to use left and right in your runs, most of the things the TAS does that current runners dont are not humanly possible. So while someone could technically achieve an 18:33.500, it is just not physically possible.
It'd be really easy to mod the controller like this, but you wouldn't save any time in a verified run. The rules for the leaderboards specifically state that 1) hardware modification aren't allowed , and 2) L+R presses aren't allowed.
So, in order to get good patterns... I guess we will have to do something similar to Paper Mario, where people reverse engineered the RNG and saved a lot of time by just jumping a bit more.
So we have great grandfather rodrigo Lopez, grandfather Kessler and other Grandfather Allen. Our father is AndrewG and our uncle is Trevor. We have our Japanese cousins like hidary and osaka. And our older brothers blubbler and Darbian. Kosmic and Somewes is our other brother and Taven is our baby brother (youngest world record holder) Then the viewers are the grandkids, mav and happylee’s is researchers, marikh is mystery. Summoning salt is our historian and bismuth is the curator
I have been binge watching your stuff for a week now and it's fascinating every time. How do you know all of this stuff?! It's incredible and I really enjoy it and a part of me thinks you're secretly D'angelo Wallace
I know this is a late comment, but 8-3 has a much more viable setup for FPG now called “Kriller Setup”. So I could see that framerule being done in warpless. Basically it’s one frame perfect jump and you walk off a pipe, then you are set to perform FPG with 2 setups, including one that is often a common mistake for other setups. I could see 8-3 FPG even before faster castle levels! :) great video again, adam
@@moth.monster hm. Yea that would be cool. Would bring the smb community even further. But i think the rta time needs to be lowered to 4:54.265 for that to happen
@@gdash6925 no, 4:54.282. The reason why is that emulator would have a MASSIVE advantage when trying to save a frame, and why not allow it to optimize further?
One can do the clip as Big/Fire Mario as well, but it's a little bit more difficult. Because of the larger hitbox, Big Mario hits the cheep-cheep earlier. But when you press duck when running off, you have the same hitbox as Small Mario. The clip + full fpg can then be done in exactly the same way as with Small Mario. One can save up to 1.4 seconds over the normal fpg with this trick.
Yes. The 18:54 "limit" of warpless would be comparable to 4:55.6x in any%. 4:54 in any% would be comparable to some 18:4x time in warpless, as it is "theoretically humanly possible" but will not actually happen.
0:30 Hearing "Human limit" feels so weird since I was expecting just "limit" lol. (I think they're the exact same, as humans (AKA. Niftski) are/is MORE than capable of 4:54.265)
My prediction on future records (current is 18:54.864 by Niftski): 18:53: 18:53.999 by Niftski (August 2024) 18:52: 18:52.868 by Niftski (October 2025) 18:51: Non-existant 18:50: 18:50.987 by Niftski (July 2026) 18:49: 18:49.606 by Niftski (November 2026) (Yes I think Niftski will skip 18:51, then later that year get a Mid-18:49)
NikZombieCrafter He watches these streams a lot (he was there for the sub 19). Also, his first two videos on SMB1 got millions of views, so it’s pretty obvious a lot of people like these.
If you didn't know, the current warpless record is literally a single FRAME from 18:58, the only reason GTAce didn't get it in his last run was because his game lagged in 6-4
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Man can we all take a second to appreciate just how unbelievably good this channel is and how enjoyable to watch and also well explained and high quality those videos are?
Great job man
Sure
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I learn something new every time I watch this content, and I'm amazed by the level of analysis and dedication of the community. :)
Can we all take a second? That would seriously mess up the frame rules
I can't imagine the amount of video editing, or time to render this
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Hello there
I’m too early pretend I said something funny
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yooooo
Nice
Me: *thinks I know enough about speedrunning*
Bismuth: if this pixel in the fourth sub zone of 5-2 when the timer is at exactly 153 and your coins are at 15 isn’t 5% greener than it is in a normal game your entire run is over
"The limits are never where we think they are." ~words said from a legend.
What a beautiful way to close out the video.
An *absolute legend*, even.
@@DrachenYT karl 👀
"More research needed." You sound like a scientist who needs funding.
hahahahahah
I think more research is needed for a much more viable setup for 18:54, but it is possible by doing flagpole glitches on some wackier levels.
I would be perfectly okay with a little taxpayer funding going to this.
It's so very easy to be generous with other people's money. :)
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I want to see a warpless TAS without L+R!
Agreed!
I'm not sure if this is a joke, sarcasm, or I'm overthinking it but aren't L+R the triggers and they don't exist on the nes controllers?
@@mcmonkey26 L+R in this case meaning the pressing of both left and right at the same time.
Oh. That's what you mean. Ok
I did one of 19:09 RTA timing. I’m a TAS noob
This channel is so well done. I can show this to my grandma and even she would start Mario speedruns
Video: Let's see how this runner saved time and how he could have done better.
Me, unfamiliar with SMB speedrun techniques: Great! Let's go!
Video: He got this powerup really quickly.
Me: Sounds reasonable.
Video: He clipped through this wall.
Me: Clever! Advanced techniques, I like it.
Video: *Goes into inexplicable detail on framerules changing variables whole stages before they're evident*
Me: Uhhh
I feel you xD
But its fascinating how much information this video has 0.o
I have never programmed on the NES but generally using time for random variables is very common even nowadays. Computers are not truly random and the random number generators just use a series of calculations to produce a sequence of numbers that appear random. The first input in that sequence is commonly called the seed, if you start the sequence with the same seed you will get the exact same sequence of pseudo random numbers. I order to add some more randomness we usually don't hardcode the seed into the software, but we use something like the time instead. Because the users will not all start the game at the exact same time it will appear random to them.
This shit is why I love watching these videos, even though I've never played these games.
We're already at 18:55.9 with the rise of Niftski.
can you collab with summoning salt? i would love to see you two in a video
Yeeeeeees
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I Just want warps 4:54
ii larper
@wao shut up 🤐
6:58 In 2019 about a game from 1983: "More research will have to be done".
1985
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1985
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no more 1985 combo
I absolutely LOVE how insanely intricate these speedruns have become!
I imagine you'd need emulator brute forcing tools to find all those favorable Bowser/firebar patterns to chain together. And is there a limit to how long a runner can reasonably wait on the title screen to advance the RNG? And with such low odds, suppose the first favorable pattern required several minutes of sitting on the title screen - would anyone even bother?
Yes, someone will eventually have the determination to do it in that case, it's a matter of time
knowing how people are trying to find ways just to save a third of a second they would wait for minutes to start a run
Imagine having only a handful of attempts per hour for a run that takes thousands of attempts.
@ADEBISI ADEBISI I don't think I'm making it sound as impressive as it actually is. It already takes a long time just to have a run that makes it to world 8.
fun fact, you have to have a life in order to play videogames. js
I have arrived from the year 2023 to share that Niftski has achieved the 18:54 !
Current warpless record: 18:54.864 by Niftski:
1-1 FPG
-1-2 FPG-
1-3 quick mushroom grab
Ultra 1-4 swag trick to save 2 framerules
2-1 FPG to save 2 framerules
2-4 aggressive Bowser kill
-3-3 FPG to save 2 framerules-
3-4 aggressive Bowser kill
4-4:
Crouch clip to save 2 framerules
Aggressive Bowser kill to save 2 more framerules, 4 framerules saved
5-4 aggressive Bowser kill
darbian's 6-3 "Time = 255" framerule
6-4 aggressive Bowser kill
7-4 aggressive Bowser kill
8-2 BBG to save 2 framerules
With a start delay of 24.19 seconds
Wow
Can I just say that it's criminal that you only have 17 patrons? Your content is fantastic.
Great video! I'd predict that 18:58 is pretty much the human limit for a full warpless run. If someone gets a 18:57 in the future and I'd still be shocked.
Hope to see a warpless TAS explanation & history video soon. :D
Kosmic has said that he won't be satisfied with his warpless time until he gets 18:55, so you may be shocked soon
@@MiniIand If so, I bet he won't be satisfied then. Anyone is welcomed to prove me wrong. :D
@Kenneth Miner I don't see any point of that. There might be people wishing to see real-time speedrun with L+R, but that doesn't mean we should make that.
@Kenneth Miner Thank you, too.
@John Cena Wow. Crazy.
Killing it with these breakdowns! Would love to see them for even more games, this is the sort of content that the speedrunning community has been missing the last fifteen years
dude your editing skills are next level, super clear explanations
I just noticed how good these explanations are after watching other speedrun explanation videos.
Your editing is on another level! Keep up the good work
When you realize Bowser cloned himself multiple times to dislike.
Hmm
He cloned 24 times
He cloned 91 times
I personally need more videos about Super Mario Bross speedrunds. No matter if it's warpless or any %, just keep talking about this. It makes me chill and relaxed :)
The video production is top notch! Also great explained. :)
Very good breakdown - as Always! Keep up the quality!
When I started playing video games, I was pretty sure there would not be this much research required. I am, however, incredibly impressed that there are people who can do the research and those who pull off these amazing fears.
Your channel is rediculously informative and amazing, keep up the good work bro!
Just realized you're the same guy who did that world record Minecraft run at GDQ 2014.
You're pretty cool.
I feel bad for the speedrunners who are going to have to try to implement these time saves someday. Holy moly.
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I'm currently binge watching your whole channel. Dude you are SO underrated. All of your videos are so wonderfully written, it's a real pleasure to watch. Thanks a ton for spending that much time
god dang why did i never sub after the last couple amazing videos
same
I find it sad when speedruns get to the fastest possible time ever, 😭😭😭
there are still many tricks that could be utilized to save more framerules, ofcourse these added tricks will mean it will take hundreds or even thousand+ hours to get new records, but it will be done
Good thing it's only happened once! (Dragster)
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Dan G. 🅱️
I don't. Imagine when somehow somewhen we reach perfect TAS time. Literally no time to improve, not even 1 frame. Literal perfection. I find it incredibly satisfying. Just like it happened with Dragster.
I’m not even the biggest gamer, but I find the world of speed running (especially SMB speed running) totally fascinating! How people discover these glitches and how to perform them consistently blows my mind.
The last quote from halfcoordinated during SGDQ 2016 Kreygasm
Great run in GSA, I was rooting for you from the very start. It was a good time watching you dude.
Your first match against Oshi, was legendary, with one life and 1 chance... Man, it was great.
Awesome time!
In quarterfinals.
Thanks! I had a lot of fun and will be attempting to qualify for the next iteration of the league.
The part that always gets me about SMB runs is that it's at a point where "better execution" isn't ever the solution. It's always about adding more and more tricks. No matter what there's zero room for error, you have to pick the fastest route you're capable of executing flawlessly.
There is room for error, it just varies depending on how the framerules line up
as of today niftski achieved the 18:54!
I'd like to see people do "Double" versions of the "warpless" run. So you have to do the normal run, and THEN the very slightly different run with the buzzy beetles. The few very slight changes would make muscle memory a bit harder.
Here you go, the world record is 38:43.756 by GTAce 99 www.speedrun.com/smbce#Both_Quests_Warpless
*nods* I suspect that both quests warpless will become more of a thing if nobody can dethrone this advance. Until it too is insanely tight.
Pretty sure UA-cam unsubbed me from you. Glad I made it back.
Nightcat that also happened to me for some reason
7:43 "Imagine the nerves"
always look forward to your videos man, if you wouldn't mind doing other speedruns too like another SM64 one, or perhaps another popular speedrun I'm sure tons of people would love that. keep up the great work man!
It's incredible to make entire video about how to make Bowser career about 5 minutes long
The Speedrunners: *"Hmmm...how can I shave off this one frame?"*
Me: *_"Hmmm...how can I complete this level?"_*
Man this is great stuff! Loved the detailed explanations
Hypothetically how much time could be saved with a controller modded to have a LEFT+RIGHT button?
Well, technically you would be able to match the TAS's record of 18:33.500. However, even if you were allowed to use left and right in your runs, most of the things the TAS does that current runners dont are not humanly possible. So while someone could technically achieve an 18:33.500, it is just not physically possible.
I would also be interested to know where the human limit would be if turbo were allowed.
@@jjfoerch Turbo doesn't really have any use for this game.
Imagine if you could just take the plastic directional pad out and do it yourself, technically you could, but not in fluid motion
It'd be really easy to mod the controller like this, but you wouldn't save any time in a verified run. The rules for the leaderboards specifically state that 1) hardware modification aren't allowed , and 2) L+R presses aren't allowed.
This is a great chaser to Summoning Salt's video
please keep these coming
So, in order to get good patterns... I guess we will have to do something similar to Paper Mario, where people reverse engineered the RNG and saved a lot of time by just jumping a bit more.
i feel like summoning salt is speedrun school, and bismuth is speedrun college
I love your videos so much my dude
it's been 2 days since the last video, nice
So we have great grandfather rodrigo Lopez, grandfather Kessler and other Grandfather Allen. Our father is AndrewG and our uncle is Trevor. We have our Japanese cousins like hidary and osaka. And our older brothers blubbler and Darbian. Kosmic and Somewes is our other brother and Taven is our baby brother (youngest world record holder) Then the viewers are the grandkids, mav and happylee’s is researchers, marikh is mystery. Summoning salt is our historian and bismuth is the curator
Love how you added summoning salt as historian
Dude i Love your Videos about Super Mario Bros speedruns
GTAce99 found a somewhat consistent strat for the 3-3 flagpole glitch. And yes, it does save two framerules. (with zero frames to spare)
yoooo 18:57 happened
I have been binge watching your stuff for a week now and it's fascinating every time. How do you know all of this stuff?! It's incredible and I really enjoy it and a part of me thinks you're secretly D'angelo Wallace
Experience, research and good contacts!
The rng in this game is such nightmare sometimes.
i have no idea what any of this means, but the video was entertaining :D
Great video as always.
I know this is a late comment, but 8-3 has a much more viable setup for FPG now called “Kriller Setup”. So I could see that framerule being done in warpless. Basically it’s one frame perfect jump and you walk off a pipe, then you are set to perform FPG with 2 setups, including one that is often a common mistake for other setups. I could see 8-3 FPG even before faster castle levels! :) great video again, adam
Lies!
Could be interesting to see a category where left+right is allowed
First people need to be able to press l+r in the 1st place.
@@gdash6925 modded controller
@@moth.monster hm. Yea that would be cool. Would bring the smb community even further. But i think the rta time needs to be lowered to 4:54.265 for that to happen
@@gdash6925 no, 4:54.282. The reason why is that emulator would have a MASSIVE advantage when trying to save a frame, and why not allow it to optimize further?
You Gotta Love Bismuths content!
GG “Tuo Padre”, you cracked me up 😂
"The limits are merely figments of your lack of imagination and the mere 24 hours in a day."
this is some big brain shit right here
The limit does not exist.
-Cady Heron.
Didn't realize this stuff was possible!
8:31 That fpg is achieved while small Mario, would it save any time?
But it is currently illegal
@@donovan6320 why?
@Kenneth Miner Ok my apoligies.
One can do the clip as Big/Fire Mario as well, but it's a little bit more difficult. Because of the larger hitbox, Big Mario hits the cheep-cheep earlier. But when you press duck when running off, you have the same hitbox as Small Mario. The clip + full fpg can then be done in exactly the same way as with Small Mario. One can save up to 1.4 seconds over the normal fpg with this trick.
American dad speed running and TAS speed running for American dad
I really love this channel
Limit in warp: 4:54
Limit in warpless: 18:54
Coincidence????
Yes. The 18:54 "limit" of warpless would be comparable to 4:55.6x in any%. 4:54 in any% would be comparable to some 18:4x time in warpless, as it is "theoretically humanly possible" but will not actually happen.
@@Bismuth9 Thx man
I would say a 4:54 any% would be the equivalent of ~18:52 or smth
0:30 Hearing "Human limit" feels so weird since I was expecting just "limit" lol.
(I think they're the exact same, as humans (AKA. Niftski) are/is MORE than capable of 4:54.265)
Take a shot everytime he says dash
Also, good video
ton of effort, Jesus. massive respect
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The return of the king
7:37 They got us again!
Speedrun world record will never come to an end
Imagine being the 1 dislike
Who would do that?
Kosmic
BreathingAir why
is joke
some roving botnet component probably thought it was a chomsky lecture
Gtace
0:38 hmm both any% and warpless's perfect times both end with xx:54, pretty funny
18:54 is not perfect at all, this video is extremely old and outdated
Forget Speedruns, Slowruns are more exiciting ;)
Cosmic always breaking records
*Niftski*
*Miniland*
*LeKukie*
*Eddiecatgaming*
9:08 I_o_l My the favorite speedrunner
My prediction on future records (current is 18:54.864 by Niftski):
18:53: 18:53.999 by Niftski (August 2024)
18:52: 18:52.868 by Niftski (October 2025)
18:51: Non-existant
18:50: 18:50.987 by Niftski (July 2026)
18:49: 18:49.606 by Niftski (November 2026)
(Yes I think Niftski will skip 18:51, then later that year get a Mid-18:49)
NOTE: as of November 2021, the new limit for warpless speedruns is 18:39. This means that the video is outdated.
Is this real? 2 great uploads in 2 days
Bismuth, I beg you. MAKE MORE VIDS
Bro chill out, the video isn't even a week old. I'm pretty sure he still plans on making videos in the future.
@@StayAwayFromMyCat ik but it's so good
Must do the 1-2, 2-2, 4-2 and 7-2 fogs in order to get an even lower time.
You can actually save 2 framerules in 1-2 with a tas accel and fast accel
u deserve more subscribers
Did anyone else see bowser die as a lakitu at 5:35
kosmic is such a talent, man.
You seem you be obbsesed with Mario Bros rn
NikZombieCrafter He watches these streams a lot (he was there for the sub 19). Also, his first two videos on SMB1 got millions of views, so it’s pretty obvious a lot of people like these.
This video is awesome...
00:5 to 00:10 that heart rate
nice video
Can you do a vid where you explain the TAS’s please?
I agree!
Roses are red
Violets are blue
I subbed to Bismuth
And you should too
So complicated for such a simple game.
Now, with two people having managed to beat this record and 18:58 becoming plausible...
If you didn't know, the current warpless record is literally a single FRAME from 18:58, the only reason GTAce didn't get it in his last run was because his game lagged in 6-4
Another great video :)
i checked the speedrun.com and you are one of the moderators for any% smb