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Skateology: Hardflip (1000 fps slow motion)

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  • Опубліковано 4 січ 2011
  • Good news for all the haters! I re-filmed the hardflip skateology with some legit proper-ass hardflips. Check it out here • Skateology: hardflip p...
    This is my Skateology video for hardflips. These clips were filmed at 1,000 frames per second with a Redlake N3 high speed camera at 1280x720 resolution. Skaters include Wes Wallace, Kurt Raymond (0:28 & 1:29), Zach Miyamoto (1:00), Dylan Phipps (1:12 & 2:14)), Scott Hartzel (1:49), Alex Knox (1:56), and Wes Johnson (2:26).
    I literally had about 20 minutes of hardflip footage and I had to leave a lot of good ones out to get it down to a reasonable length. I wanted to show the two major styles of hardflips, which are the ones that are popped basically straight up with little or no flick with the front foot (like Dylan at 1:12) and the other looks more like a frontside shuv-it kickflip (like Kurt at 0:29).
    Thanks to Dunian for the music. This song is called Mind Body Mind. www.myspace.com...

КОМЕНТАРІ • 813

  • @rodolfocamarena3852
    @rodolfocamarena3852 9 років тому +725

    Watching these kind of videos help more than a trick tip, seriously.

  • @MacieJay
    @MacieJay 12 років тому +413

    Kids are so lucky now! Back when i first started skating I was on the VCR pausing shaky ass VHS tapes.

  • @jakestockton4808
    @jakestockton4808 8 років тому +309

    The road leading to mastered hardflips is paved with countless nut-checks.

    • @benediktmandel7705
      @benediktmandel7705 6 років тому +12

      It's worth it

    • @cobyearley5781
      @cobyearley5781 6 років тому +4

      true dat, but it's worth it

    • @fastinradfordable
      @fastinradfordable 4 роки тому +4

      It’s not worth it.
      If you get 10 bad ice picks money says you’ll think hard before you do it again.
      Now a back foot impossible.
      That is a rewarding flip.
      With much less risk

    • @5iris743
      @5iris743 4 роки тому +1

      Nathan Brame c o m m i t m e n t

    • @cameronheskett1243
      @cameronheskett1243 3 роки тому +10

      dolphin flips are worse for that

  • @braunihawk
    @braunihawk 3 роки тому +44

    After 20 years, Hardflip still looks so strange to me

  • @alamcho
    @alamcho 5 років тому +745

    this is a weird flip. my brain does not undertand the rotation

    • @limpan0510
      @limpan0510 5 років тому +39

      Its like a vertical front shuv with a kickflip in it lmao it looks Good tho

    • @dhardthesk8er835
      @dhardthesk8er835 5 років тому +39

      I just see it as a 180 kickflip

    • @stakinator14
      @stakinator14 5 років тому +25

      Frontside flip but your body doesn’t rotate

    • @therealcauds
      @therealcauds 5 років тому +7

      Its like half a varial flip...they make even less sense in slow mo to be honest...still cant fully wrap my head around this flip lol

    • @therealcauds
      @therealcauds 5 років тому

      I read your first comment after i said that and it made more sense. If you dont move your body during and fs flip its pretty much the same thing. But yeah weird trick always loved it

  • @unitus.
    @unitus. 8 років тому +112

    1:12 oh my lord that was beautiful

    • @denny574
      @denny574 4 роки тому +4

      Unitus Bright bruh i know i just saw this and thought the same thing

    • @kidwilly5446
      @kidwilly5446 4 роки тому

      Fast Internet hi

    • @vecchioutente
      @vecchioutente 4 роки тому

      @Fast Internet hi

    • @spion098
      @spion098 4 роки тому +4

      Was that one even a hardflip? Didn't look like his front foot even did anything lol

    • @zPoyzn
      @zPoyzn 4 роки тому +4

      @@spion098 i think its actually a pressure hardflip

  • @iflxnk3986
    @iflxnk3986 7 років тому +58

    2:10 the board tho lol

  • @yvonnegabin467
    @yvonnegabin467 3 роки тому +5

    I just LOVE it when thres goofy and regular clips,so everyone can understand the trick easier

  • @nicholasjohnson1200
    @nicholasjohnson1200 4 роки тому +133

    Half these flips were higher than I can Ollie.

    • @elijahcuyler5667
      @elijahcuyler5667 4 роки тому +13

      Nicholas Johnson a lot of flip tricks are easier to pop then Ollies

    • @XavielYouTube
      @XavielYouTube 4 роки тому +1

      Hardflips in general require lots of pop

    • @lime2615
      @lime2615 3 роки тому

      same.

    • @noahjohansson9468
      @noahjohansson9468 3 роки тому +2

      my first switch hardflip was higher than my highest kickflip. its just because the way it flips before you catch it makes it go really high

  • @murdechoc
    @murdechoc 7 років тому +118

    just understand visually what's happening is one of the hardest flip

  • @duckdoctors
    @duckdoctors 4 роки тому +9

    Can we just acknowledge how good this song is.

  • @powerswish
    @powerswish 11 років тому +4

    I can appreciate how tough it is for some people like me to learn hardflips, but I've never thought they looked good. They look like someone missed their intended trick but still landed anyway.

  • @alphabetApperatus
    @alphabetApperatus 7 років тому +50

    ever since I skated on acid, I've realized that skateboarding was one of the most poetic things ever...the sound of the wheels, the *pop* of the deck 😍

    • @subie1507
      @subie1507 7 років тому +2

      Kail Habib lol wut?

    • @gannon3816
      @gannon3816 5 років тому +10

      You sound stupid as fuck

    • @loveandnapalm
      @loveandnapalm 5 років тому +4

      I wish I could do drugs and wax poetic about meaningless wooden toys, but every time I try to buy acid I either get scared because the kids that sell it call me a nerd and give me swirlies or my feeble mind realizes it can't handle such profound realizations about the world as yours. If only I could be as cool and deep as you...

    • @nerad1994
      @nerad1994 5 років тому +1

      Kail Habib that makes sense, psychedelics open you up to a new realm of perception and appreciation

    • @erickmorales5499
      @erickmorales5499 5 років тому

      skateboarding saved me when I was having a bad trip. was contemplating life and realized skateboarding will always be there no matter what. giving me meaning to life

  • @TheDarkness4560
    @TheDarkness4560 8 років тому +1

    for all the people that think those are pressure flips.
    all those hardflips are set up (back foot) like a bs pop shove to let the hardflip's be more vertical and in that position you can't pressure hardflip because if everything would be pressure in that position it would look like a varial heel but u can clearly see the kick flip motion in those.

  • @semimealways8289
    @semimealways8289 4 роки тому +3

    My favourite skateboard flip. Looks so cool!! Inward heels also. (Same trick instead of kickflip if you didn't know)

    • @aceyly3530
      @aceyly3530 4 роки тому

      No buddy thats a varial heel an inward heel is a pop shuvit and a heel flip

  • @da7nesman
    @da7nesman 12 років тому +4

    Thank you soooo much for these slow mo vids! I have even more respect for skaters now that I see clearly what you can make that board do.

  • @dirtydan1764
    @dirtydan1764 10 років тому +173

    the most awkward flip trick

    • @megaog4999
      @megaog4999 7 років тому +23

      its not really when you get em down, it just starts to come together

    • @DeviatedDocs
      @DeviatedDocs 5 років тому +27

      Inward heel. When I can land that shit I will feel accomplished

    • @commentcontrol7187
      @commentcontrol7187 5 років тому +12

      @rocket grunt some people are natural heelflippers

    • @semimealways8289
      @semimealways8289 4 роки тому +4

      @@commentcontrol7187 Facts!!!!! Heelflips is so much easier to me. It's hard to kick that flip instead of swipe back. Everybody learned kickflip before heel. I learned heels first and even today heels are easier.
      (Im goofy, dunno if that explains anything, propably not. First when i tried to flip, i tried heel so maybe by that way it feels more natural to me)

    • @BONESBRUH
      @BONESBRUH 2 роки тому

      @@commentcontrol7187 I learnt heelflips and hardflips before kickies hah

  • @venetask8ter
    @venetask8ter 12 років тому +2

    This video might actually help me learn these. The slow mo really helps break down exactly what's happening. Love these Skateology vids!

  • @elijahnichols7305
    @elijahnichols7305 2 роки тому +1

    One of my favorite tricks of all time

  • @andrewsmith3570
    @andrewsmith3570 9 років тому +27

    Does a hard flip look like a big ass fs pop shuvit to anyone else? Or is it just me

    • @andrewsmith3570
      @andrewsmith3570 9 років тому

      ***** really? I had no idea...

    • @andrewsmith3570
      @andrewsmith3570 9 років тому +1

      Thanks bro

    • @andrewsmith3570
      @andrewsmith3570 9 років тому

      Lol me to bro

    • @andrewsmith3570
      @andrewsmith3570 9 років тому +1

      Okay is ur profile pic u in a helmet thing if so I'm buttermilkbiscuits that just followed

    • @therockiesfan3
      @therockiesfan3 7 років тому

      andrew smith mine look like bs shuvs. Theyre a little too vertical lol

  • @blakolawton5205
    @blakolawton5205 6 років тому +30

    The original hardflip started out as a flip trick in the 90$ when the board would flipped completely vertical..which gave it that name for it's beauty and difficulty

    • @fourteenants
      @fourteenants 5 років тому +15

      90$

    • @daxberry566
      @daxberry566 5 років тому +2

      Well it’s easier to do a vertical hardflip than a proper hardflip

    • @barbaloka4520
      @barbaloka4520 4 роки тому +2

      Yeahhhhh!!! The vertical HARD flip is magical 🔥!!! The shovited hard flip is just cool 👍🏻

    • @tomalophicon
      @tomalophicon Рік тому

      wrong

    • @lrysmt
      @lrysmt Рік тому

      First hardflip done on film was by daewon son? And was dubbed the inward kickflip or something sort of like that. Completely sideways

  • @At_rgb
    @At_rgb Рік тому +1

    12 years old and this looks better than any bigfoot footage

  • @orrcazz
    @orrcazz 11 років тому +1

    That one starting at 2:12 is practically a pressure flip! Front foot just gets out of the way!

  • @kommandokenny12345
    @kommandokenny12345 Рік тому

    I got these a few weeks ago. Now I just gotta keep ‘em consistent. Such a steez trick. I love it

  • @NegiTom
    @NegiTom 13 років тому

    All of your videos are so awesome for learning these tricks, being able to see see them that slowly and in that detail is better than any words, thanks dude.

  • @cxssetteman182
    @cxssetteman182 3 роки тому +1

    Hardflips are so Underappreciated fr ❤️

  • @chrism-kx3tt
    @chrism-kx3tt 12 років тому

    the quality of these videos is just insane

  • @jamesbullie7096
    @jamesbullie7096 10 років тому +6

    1:56 was the nicest one

  • @ashomsky
    @ashomsky  13 років тому +3

    @troysfreakinawesome I found these guys on Myspace and asked them if I could use their music in my videos.

  • @learningtoskatewhenyoure3065

    This was super satisfying to watch.

  • @joshuafabillar4289
    @joshuafabillar4289 4 роки тому +2

    2:15 is a pressure hardflip

  • @debbiemacpherson2483
    @debbiemacpherson2483 11 років тому +1

    boys are doin HUGE hardflips

  • @delaz4ck543
    @delaz4ck543 5 років тому +28

    0:00 vertical pop shove it
    0:28 hardflip
    0:49 hardflip
    0:59 hardflip
    1:12 frontside pressure flip
    1:28 hardflip
    1:54 hardflip
    2:14 frontside pressure flip
    2:25 hardflip

    • @justincase9284
      @justincase9284 5 років тому +1

      Yeah but which one was the cleanest..

    • @ROGUESPIRIT_
      @ROGUESPIRIT_ 5 років тому +1

      2.25 is a varial kickflip.

    • @5-iwnl-596
      @5-iwnl-596 5 років тому +2

      De La Rochefort 0:00 was hard

    • @thrashedd
      @thrashedd 5 років тому +1

      0:00 was a hardflip. Flick was just a lil bit late.

    • @sethreign8103
      @sethreign8103 5 років тому

      @@ROGUESPIRIT_ varial kickflips spin the other way so the nose goes away from you though.

  • @4everShredd
    @4everShredd 11 років тому +1

    must agree ! impossibles are awsome to watch too !!

  • @HarlemFingerboards
    @HarlemFingerboards 11 років тому +1

    The only reason I watched this vid is to try to learn hard flips and I see how they completely curved there front foot and just let it slide off. Thanks this helped a lot.

  • @CFXSportsyoutubeoficial
    @CFXSportsyoutubeoficial 13 років тому +8

    PLEASE WHAT CAMERA THEY USE TO FILM THAT ?: PLEASE ANSWER ME

  • @R2Magnum
    @R2Magnum 13 років тому

    these slow clips remind me so much of TH Project 8. because it all looks so smooth an slow just like when you control the fliptricks in the game
    great videos!

  • @PerfectCell9
    @PerfectCell9 4 роки тому

    Best looking skate trick tied with a frontside flip too imo

  • @christianthompson8584
    @christianthompson8584 4 роки тому +1

    The rotation is done all with the back foot, hold pressure with the front foot and release after the pop. (1:12)

  • @thebananasquad7124
    @thebananasquad7124 8 років тому +2

    My pop shove its look like some of those hardflips. I noticed by filming myself that I actually kinda flick the board on my shuvs with my front foot and that the main difference between my pop shuvs and these hardlips is that the board doesn't spin between my legs but in front of me

    • @cae_lb
      @cae_lb 4 роки тому

      I actually think this is a different trick, but I can’t remember the name right now. Where it does the same motion but doesn’t go between your legs

  • @JPJPJP98
    @JPJPJP98 5 років тому +5

    When i was a kid it took like 2 years to i understand how the hardflip spins

  • @NeCtRiCkS
    @NeCtRiCkS 12 років тому

    Dude, this Dylan Phipps is sick!

  • @17ballislife
    @17ballislife 4 роки тому

    Hardflips are so beautiful

  • @valkane3596
    @valkane3596 Рік тому

    Dude with red laces just sends it and it hardflips literally

  • @japenesenugget2141
    @japenesenugget2141 6 років тому

    All hardflips, they are just in slo mo. Different styles too🔥

  • @ventuskeywielder
    @ventuskeywielder 13 років тому

    i really like yalls vids! they are better than tricktips and your angles and HD are sick! i subbed :D

  • @leirbagguitbox6477
    @leirbagguitbox6477 Рік тому

    One those tricks I couldn’t get when I was wee lad lol but my school mate and friend always knew how to do it . RIP Jonathan Duncan

  • @PheZepe
    @PheZepe 11 років тому +1

    Hard flip looks so easy, yet really hard to even get it to flip

  • @CodexGame
    @CodexGame 10 років тому +54

    2:13 that was totally a frontside pressure flip, he didnt use his front foot!

    • @alexsailer9967
      @alexsailer9967 6 років тому +7

      yeah he did use it. so perfectly it looked effortless. In order to cause a pressure flip like that he would have appeared to do a heel flip flick

    • @billyloaf4753
      @billyloaf4753 6 років тому +18

      alex sailer wtf u talking lol

    • @alexsailer9967
      @alexsailer9967 6 років тому +7

      For a pressure hardflip it appears as if the person kicks for a heel flip and it flips kick flip.. he kicked kick flip and it flipped that way. He also clearly popped a front shuv instead of the pressure technique of pinching the board and the wheel.

    • @billyloaf4753
      @billyloaf4753 6 років тому +1

      alex sailer dude im trying to understand you but your english is not making that happen lol

    • @alexsailer9967
      @alexsailer9967 6 років тому +3

      I'm trying my best. a hardflip is a front shuv and a kick flip combined..Just like he did in this video. a pressure hardflip will flip the same way, but the most noticeable difference of the person doing it would be a heel flip motion of the front leg instead of the kick flip motion. He's clearly kicking kickflip in combination with a front shuv to make it a hardflip. If it was pressure then he would've extended the front leg in the heel flip motion.

  • @groomedtodie
    @groomedtodie 11 років тому +2

    Varial flip is always backside. A FS varial flip is a hardflip, just like a BS varial heel is an inward heel. Some people just flip theirs vertical (the way chad muska spins his FS flips). To make them flip and level out nice is harder and more steezy (imo) so the vertical ones have kinda been phased out. Kinda dates when u started skating. Same thing happened with 3flips. It's more popular now to barely move front foot, but used to be cool to flick them.

  • @alexbr58
    @alexbr58 12 років тому

    How can people dislike this video, I guess they don't know how to hardflip

  • @JoshSteimle
    @JoshSteimle 2 роки тому

    When I see him loft that thing two full feet up that's when I think, "Well, no wonder these are hard for me, I can't even get six inches off the ground."

  • @notasian7620
    @notasian7620 8 років тому +5

    still cant figure it out it doesnt seem like they do anything and it flips end over end i can never get it to do that

    • @alphabetApperatus
      @alphabetApperatus 7 років тому

      it's more like letting ur front foot barely slide off instead of flicking it like a kick-flip. it'll want to flip upside down & sliding ur foot off makes it turn.
      I know it seems obvious but sometimes it's just helpful to hear how someone else does them. that's how I've always done them...after almost losing a ball or 2

    • @jamesbaker1392
      @jamesbaker1392 6 років тому +1

      Sorry I know this is late. When I was trying to figure them out as well, my friend told me "it's all in the back foot" because he noticed I was more focused on the flick rather than the pop. Like kail said, don't really focus on flicking it like a kickflip. Try and focus on popping it. It's hard to explain but you'll get what we mean if you try it enough

    • @cobyearley5781
      @cobyearley5781 6 років тому

      yeah, pop straight down and bring ur front foot behind and close to u, and u should get the right motion, good luck, hope u land it, keep skating

  • @delaz4ck543
    @delaz4ck543 5 років тому +1

    hardflip and f/s-pressure-flip has the same board rotation, So do inward heelflip and pressure flip.
    The difference is if the flip is caused by the front foot or back foot.

  • @edoardobertelli8874
    @edoardobertelli8874 Рік тому

    the best flip trick ever

  • @sirianfelixbrightonesquire3247
    @sirianfelixbrightonesquire3247 4 роки тому +4

    I did my first perfect hardflip today by accident. It felt soooo natural

  • @BigSnuff
    @BigSnuff 12 років тому

    this song fits virtually all of these videos perfectly:
    Ground Up Sounds - Late Night Special

  • @REEL.FASTLT
    @REEL.FASTLT 12 років тому

    The music is making me tierd.

  • @billionairio
    @billionairio Рік тому

    Thanks for this, just one skater didn't make sense, but putting it together from the different styles helps things click.

  • @robbroadhead3495
    @robbroadhead3495 4 роки тому

    Some of these skaters have incredible vert! Hops!

  • @makemworse123
    @makemworse123 9 років тому +6

    I have a feeling I may land this trick cause of this video

  • @JrizzleSkate
    @JrizzleSkate Рік тому

    I always thought the hardflip was when the board did a 360 vetically, and didn't "barrel roll" as well (for lack of a better term) like shown here?

  • @MateoBlumer
    @MateoBlumer Рік тому

    1:12 one of the best I’ve seen

  • @mgmskateco5679
    @mgmskateco5679 4 роки тому +6

    And people ask me why I like hard flips more than tres

  • @rafaelcorrea5330
    @rafaelcorrea5330 2 роки тому

    Hard work, amazing Flip job!!!

  • @chrism-kx3tt
    @chrism-kx3tt 12 років тому

    you know its a sweet hardflip when you catch it with your front foot like in 1:22

  • @EllWood847
    @EllWood847 11 років тому

    oh snap look at those es accel thats a bangin ass shoe right there

  • @kchal0
    @kchal0 10 років тому +1

    My favorite trick to do :) always gets a letter in SKATE. Both regular and fakie

  • @Anatime714
    @Anatime714 3 роки тому

    All time favorite trick.

  • @StrayMedicine
    @StrayMedicine 11 місяців тому

    Forgot about Dunian!!! Glad I was curious about hardflips lol

  • @mangomane420
    @mangomane420 8 років тому +18

    So many pressure flips man

    • @allinornothin
      @allinornothin 8 років тому +3

      no

    • @mangomane420
      @mangomane420 8 років тому

      ND S Dont debate me on this

    • @mehdimoussaoui1712
      @mehdimoussaoui1712 8 років тому

      Indeed

    • @javonsilas1342
      @javonsilas1342 7 років тому +1

      +Geo Cucuta no he decided to pop them flick late to assure a cleaner land. I'm just going off of physics sorry

  • @XXedmi
    @XXedmi 12 років тому

    this is the best hardflip tutorial in youtube:DD

  • @Jroderton
    @Jroderton 5 років тому +1

    Best looking trick.

  • @DamCrooksta
    @DamCrooksta 10 років тому +3

    Better than a trick tip

  • @skate4ever610
    @skate4ever610 12 років тому

    hardflip is such a fun trick!

  • @mike_r91
    @mike_r91 2 роки тому

    Thank you soo much for this. I still had to put the vid in 0.25x speed to fully comprehend what is going on xD

  • @kolbyoketch5662
    @kolbyoketch5662 12 років тому

    no, its just a perfectly executed hardflip. the board is suppose to be vertical when you do it , that's what makes it go between the legs.

  • @riveratrackrunner
    @riveratrackrunner 3 роки тому

    To learn switch flip i recorded myself and saw what i was doing wrong to get the flick better.its like football players watching old videos of plays to see what works and doesnt. So i recommend recording to see what the issue is.

  • @tylerstanford6433
    @tylerstanford6433 11 років тому

    @Jonathan Shavolian inward heel is a BS shuv heel. FS Shuv heel is a varial heel

  • @TheUrbanSkateboarder
    @TheUrbanSkateboarder 13 років тому

    Favorite trick right here.

  • @steven458791
    @steven458791 12 років тому

    0:49, rocking the e'S accels. Those shoes go all the way back to the companies beginnings in 95.

  • @ashomsky
    @ashomsky  13 років тому

    @sk8erboy088 Dylan Phipps. He was going pretty fast when he did that hardflip.

  • @elias.guzman.
    @elias.guzman. Рік тому

    The 2d most beautiful trick 😯😯

  • @edoardobertelli8874
    @edoardobertelli8874 Рік тому

    this video is sooo good

  • @hopslvr314
    @hopslvr314 4 роки тому

    That board flex though!😅

  • @dustins_tube
    @dustins_tube 12 років тому

    @iMiklen its like an inward kick flip. or a varial flip that is spun frontside.

  • @zombieman395
    @zombieman395 12 років тому

    i lernt these yesterday so clean

  • @seanskates6319
    @seanskates6319 11 років тому

    TnTnx @ashomsky for this!I finally know now how to catch and land it!

  • @adamheeley285
    @adamheeley285 9 років тому +1

    Some of these are pressure flips, at 1:12 the guy does not use his front foot to flip the board, his back foot is doing all the work....that is a pressure flip.

  • @lilsain14
    @lilsain14 11 років тому

    Am i the only one who doesn't a "flip" in the first hardflip? (not a hater, i love these slow mo videos!)

  • @thepancakemann
    @thepancakemann 2 роки тому

    This is such a fucking greezy trick.
    Growing up in the late 90's/early 2000's I had no idea what this trick looked like outside of stills from magazines. Getting back into the trick side of skating has been very rewarding after years of longboarding and cruising. Considering I just relearned varial kickflips, hardflips shouldn't be too hard, right?

  • @shrewsburyboarder34
    @shrewsburyboarder34 13 років тому

    :10 to :17 i love the sparkle on the griptape

  • @dubmartian3972
    @dubmartian3972 10 років тому

    T Puds would be jealous of the pop these guys have

  • @THEMIGHTYMANGANFTW
    @THEMIGHTYMANGANFTW 12 років тому

    at first when i saw it it looked a really low pop but then i saw the rest and hot damn thats a high pop

  • @tylerjohn4676
    @tylerjohn4676 11 років тому

    Nollie hardflip is my favorite trick now

  • @goldenpepitas4603
    @goldenpepitas4603 5 років тому

    Real title: Reason why hard flip is the sexiest trick in s8boarding

  • @andrewmanzano461
    @andrewmanzano461 8 років тому

    My trick tip: Do a varial flip but pop/scoop the tail under more to give it a vertical half flip and you'll land a hardflip.

  • @GarrettKemp
    @GarrettKemp 3 роки тому

    even in slow motion i dont understand what a hardflip is. when ive landed them ive had to ask othr people if it was a hardflip. i literally set the video speed slower on this and cannot comprehend what direction the board is going.
    is it going in a direction?

  • @Libertarian11492
    @Libertarian11492 12 років тому

    @ashomsky Technically the guy with the Nike's with red laces is doing pressure hardflips. That being said, in real time, you wouldn't notice the difference. xD

  • @Jorgeskatercastillo
    @Jorgeskatercastillo 11 років тому

    naw it means that it takes 1000 pictures in 1 second thats why the slo mos look so smooth and nice