$5000 Normal Engine vs $10 Million Formula 1 Engine
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- Опубліковано 28 кві 2024
- This one's for Ken Block.
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Formula 1 engines are INSANE - let me explain.
This is a 1.6 litre, turbocharged engine from a Ford Fiesta ST, and it produces a maximum of 197HP.
AND THIS is a 1.6 litre, turbocharged engine from a Formula 1 car, and it produces over 1000 horsepower.
But what makes them so different? Well, to start the F1 engine costs 2 thousand times more, at around 10 million dollars.
So why do they cost so much? Let’s get into it.
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Rip to one of the most badass drivers ever.
What happened to him
Just read it. RIP
@@Very_Grumpy_Cat Snow is not road ... at least they lived like few people have guts to live ...
I just figured out...😥😥
Drift high on the Skies broh 🙏
We will miss your Skills and Power 💔
But thank you for living at 100%, you are the inspiration for many.
LOL, most badass driver ever
rip ken block. a true inspirer. dreams were born from watching him
A serious legend. Inspired teenage me, as well as millions of others. RIP
Ken block 43ver
Fuck! I didn't hear ab this! Damn. I loved his work
Duh
didnt know he died. rip ken you will be missed. hope you are doing skyhakanas up there!
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@@HAZSAM fucking bots talking to each other bro.
*sniff sniff these bots have the stench of SCAM*
I machine F1 engines for a living and I thoroughly enjoyed this video. We really do record just about everything at every stage of the process. It's less about finger pointing at people and more just so we can look back and eliminate anything that did go wrong and mitigate it in future. RIP ken
Do you use predictive analytics?
@@DanClark_ddc no, just predictive text
allow me to demonstrate
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Are you allowed to say which team you work for?
its not often someone is iconic enough to be beloved through all the different disciplines of motorsport, super cool of you to dedicate the outro to Ken Block!
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@@alunesh12345 - Yawn.
The base size of a component is not called tolerance, that is dimension.
There are however two types of tolerances when it comes to machining a part:
Dimensional tolerances is the first which look at each measurement individually.
Form and location is the other which handles things like parallel surfaces, flatness etc.
(I haven't worked with manufacturing parts for F1 but for gas turbine engines and other high precision applications.)
@@theterriblepuddle1830 i would call it more like a safety factor then a tolerance
@@theterriblepuddle1830 - Yeha it does cos failure is 0 so 0.00001% above failure is the tiny tolerance they are looking for. BUt its an unusual way of looking at tolerance I would say.
@@theterriblepuddle1830 He used the word 'tolerance' incorrectly, as Rolf exaplained.
There are calculations for strength and other calculations for fatigue. One can calculate the minimum dimension under static load. If overloaded beyond its stress limits a part will first yield ( and deform) then break and result in a stress crack. One can calculate the failure rate for dynamic load for example the minimal dimensions needed before failure of repetitive loads, this is called fatigue. Like a railway cart axle wont fail immediately, but will fail after a certain amount of rotations because of repetitive load cycles. A fatigue crack is fundamentally different from a stress crack.
The standard safety factor for both stress (yield) and fatigue is about 1.5, so a part would be guaranteed to not fail by a 100% to a defined maximum of load cycles or rotations at maximum load with a safety margin of 50% extra rotations. By reducing the safety factor from 1.5 to for example 1.05 a part would be designed a bit lighter and still not break by dynamic loads. It is however a risky play, because you are operating a machine so much closer to the edge of failure.
@@AlfaRomeo156SWGTA please explain how you would calculate the fatigue failure cycles on the rotating cart axle. Thanks
Ken block is one of the sickest dudes to live. Keep shredding tires up there❤️
He was for sure to people who don't race or drive competitively. The man was a beast. To others who rally, he was just another driver, nothing really special about him.
I mean no disrespect. RIP Ken. You will be missed by many.
@@Sean-pm2vd who cares really, dude was a badass
@@shrimp3487 like I said. He was to you and me but he wasn't much of a badass to others who could drive competitively. I don't think he even won one rally in the WDC. He was average at best compared to other rally drivers.
I'm not taking anything away from him. He inspired loads of people and will definitely be sadly missed.
I was just disagreeing with you about being one of the sickest dudes to live, like you said.
@seab he didn't achieve anything in wrc, just stuntman
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class act with the dedication. RIP to a legend of the sport and a trailblazer of industry.
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Ken was one of the guys who got me into cars. Really was one of my idols, RIP.
1:54 "I do really miss that sound"
We all do, Scott, we all do.
Great outro for Ken. No long winded explanation needed. Just the dedication and a reminder of a few of the best moments. Cheers!
As an automotive engineer, I can explain regarding the high *(revs)* numbers. The 4000 RPM on a road car is not the same as the 4000 rpm in a F1 car. Let me explain:
1. The Bore of the F1 engine is larger than a normal road car engine making the stroke of the engine smaller, thus the piston only needs a small amount of distance from Bottom Dead Center (BDC) to Top Dead Center (TDC)
1a. A typical road car bore X stroke dimension is from 79mm X 84mm
1b. An Assumed F1 bore X stroke dimension is from 95mm X 55mm
1c. This makes the distance from BDC to TDC shorter making the revs higher.
Most car manufacturers now are not doing so because of the sound regulations that it has to meet.
But yes, this is in simple terms on why F1 engines are such. But this calculation is for a typical 1.6L engine. To achieve higher revs in a bigger cylinder engine is relatively the same thing. Just increase the bore dimensions and automatically you will have a smaller stroke dimension.
This calculation can be calculated in:
*_(π/4 × b2 × s × c)_*
b = bore dimension
s = stroke dimension
c = number of cylinders
*note* : The calculation I made above is just for an example.
I used to watch F1 races with my father. He's gone now, and I'm taking greater interest in this sport, to honour him. I just imagine my father's sitting next to me and watching this cool stuff, and learning all these things that were never shown on television in the 80's and 90's.
I miss the sound of those high revving engines also and I wish they were back. I also miss the refueling in F1 because of the strategy changes made the racing so much more interesting.
So sad to see Scarbs was not offered a proper mic for Christmas 😥
Love the Ken Block Outro.
He will be missed.
Love my Focus ST and wish they never stopped making them here in the US. I'd love to drive or own a new '21-'22 model
I build submarine parts for a military contractor. We have clearances in the 1-2 thousands of an inch quite often. We have for example a component the size of a small cabin that needs to be aligned to another part within 2 thousands of an inch absolutely square.
It definitely adds cost to build anything to that level of detail.
Beautiful tribute ending. Thanks Scott. He is still missed.
As always great video, love your content, really liked the @M539 Restorations's music from 7:02 onwards. Hat's off for the Ken Block tribute.
RIP Ken, one heck of a driver, we all will miss you.
Much respect to you Scott for your simple outro honoring the legendary Ken Block. What a performer he was in all of the motor sports he drove in. Always putting smiles on people’s faces from X-Games to Gymkhana. Rest in peace and keep shredding tires in heaven. 🙌🏻 🛞
We all miss that sound!
I wonder what they would sound like now. With direct injection and no fuel cooling probably no rasp.
Just a point. The ST you showed has been downsized to a 1.5 3cyl.
The older shape was the 1.6 4 cyl. However this only ran 200bhp in the very last models off the line, most were 180bhp stock.
Yeah,
I want write this too yet 👍🏼
Because in the animation was a 4 cylinder to see 😅
Just to add. The 1litre ecoboost i had as hire car back in 2015 was banging. My buddy swapped me his jag xkR for it for a week no joke.
@@CaymanIslandsCatWalks the 140bhp 1l fiesta is surprisingly fun car!! Just a shame Ford fitted with eco ditch finders. I found it understeered too much if pushed.
@@rupertm2542 legit was great fun
The 1.6 was 182hp and on overboost (during 15/20 secs would make 197hp on European version. On the US version there was no overboost and they always make 197hp.
rest in paradise ken, you were one of the men that got me into motorsport in the first place, r.i.p. legend
Formula 1 needs to remake the early 2000 cars with today's technology. DRS, V10's with sustainable fuel, smaller lighter cars, bring back refueling, and more teams
Sorry but, completely disagree about refuelling. Turned every pitstop into a 15 - 20 second snooze. The current tire only stops add more jeopardy..
@@W3ndal it doesn't. What it does is make every strategy predictable because the majority of the time in the pits is going slowly. It's the pit delta. So it ends up creating extra boring scenarios for 99% of the tracks where the strategies are entirely predictable.
It's why we love rain so much.
But further to why refuelling helps create more strategy, now you can choose to do full fuel, half fuel or splash of fuel. Where a pit delta with full fuel may take 60sec, a half load may be a delta of 40. It adds an extra layer of strategy.
But you say, they'll still find the optimal strategy. Yea, they will. But more options means more possible paths to the outcome. Furthermore, Pirellis has made shit tires for a long time. Making them fall off so far and go from great to shit means 90% of strategies use the tire that degrades the slowest. Rare cases where the hard tire is worse do exist but the tires are so bad that without refuelling, the strategies (and best strategy) are _boringly_ predictable.
Lastly, you may say "yea but with no fuel, if you mess up a pit stop it hurts". Which is your jeopardy comment. Sure. But define mess up? Over the past 5 years I can't remember when someone had a pit stop that was slower by less than a second to their rival where it actually mattered. The only times where a slower pit stop hurts is when it's really slow - like a 3sec turning into 6sec. And that's rare. So in reality, the pit stops aren't doing anything for the racing. The jeopardy just doesn't exist unless there's a huge screw up.
They're only cool to watch from the choreography viewpoint.
-F1 and motorsport fan for 35 years and counting.
I'm more into the engineering side but even I would be more than happy to have those V10s back. I love the current V6 but it would be nice to see even more complex engineering with the good old V10 and I know it will not rev as high as it was back then (because 3 engines per season limit). If there's anything I would disagree would be bringing refueling back. I thought it would be cool to see a V10 not having to refuel and last all 50+ laps. But of course it's the engineering part, you can disagree if you want.
@@Real28 yeah but I would feel bad for ferrari strategist. They can't make good decisions even without refueling and stuff.
Great clip, really well done and enjoyable, and the outtro for Ken Block was just a perfect nod to that amazing driver.
pneumatic valves might not be used today as motorcycle engines rev to 14,500 rpm as some brands of motocycles rev to 15k rpm, instead stiff valve springs might be used on F1 engines to adhere to the current cost cap regulations
Im far more impressed by 80's era turbo F1 engines than any modern F1 hoover vacuum sounding turbo/hybrid engine!
Such superb analysis Hat doffed for sharing the technical depth that is F1 engineering
the part where you say the F1 engine is seized when cold is not correct, they can be started when cold, but because of the tolerances they would wear out prematurely
That's the same sort of engineering, manufacturing, and maintenance discipline applied to aircraft engines. Good stuff!
The shown Fiesta Mk8 ST has a 1.5l three cylinder engine.
You talk about the 1.6l of the Mk7 ST (200@5700 with overboost) or probably the ST200 (215hp@6000 with overbosst, 200 without). Anyway, the limiter is higher than that.
As a Ph.D. Aerospace/Computer Engineer who works for a large American defense contractor's Aero company, I would love to be stuck into the middle of one of these teams as Principal Engineer...it would be a metallurgical stress/heat and software engineer heaven.
To be fair to the ST, the F1 engine alone only makes 450ish hp. The hybrid system gets it to 1000, and the turbos run much higher boost pressures. Another thing: V8 era F1 engines make similar hp per liter, but are naturally aspirated.
Oh my God. I wasn't expecting that. You made me cry. So glad to be a part of this channel.
The level of detail and knowledge in your videos is amazing..the technical breakdown of each performance aspect is fascinating..do you have any experience with motorbikes or just cars?.thankyou for the great videos. 😎
Very interesting. Thanks for breaking it down. I also miss those sounds of earlier models.
Great VID And R.I.P Ken block
Very classy tribute to Ken. RIP (Great video too!)
Most f1 engines have around 850hp it’s the battery with energy deployment which brings the f1 car to over 1000hp
I really like your channels you and your team are really creative and make great quality content
Hit me in the feels with the KB outro.... Tough start to the year.
It would be interesting to compare an F1 engine to an Indycar one that makes moderately less power but it costs a fraction of that
That would be interesting. I bet the power and dyno curves would be basically a secret though.
Indy would likely not mind, Formula 1 teams though....
Aint no way theyd all agree to have their skunkworks numbers just publicly known.
Then Look at the archaeic pushrod V8 engines in drag racing that produce insane amounts of power for far cheaper. Making about 11,000 HP for an 8.3 liter engine. That's like 1,400 hp per liter lol. Also the sound of a top fuel is something that can't be explained. It's the one motorsport where you have to be there to experience it. 0 to 330 mph in under four seconds.
@@4touchdowns1game29 I'm talking about racing engines that last for whole races, as amazing as drag engines are they literally last 400 meters
@@ale_s45 yea I feel you about that. They don't last for shit lol. I'm all about modern engines although I did use to drive a c6 corvette with a pushrod v8 and that thing was amazing. Low weight and made power super easy..
@@ale_s45 one of the most amazing modern engines you should check out is the one in the kawasaki zx 25r. its 250cc revs to 16,000 rpm and tuned people are getting them to make 52 hp na and with a turbo they are getting over 100 hp. That's 400 hp per liter on something that can be driven regularly.
Driver 61 : The ST is no race car…
Ford : But we painted the callipers…
The engine doesn't produce 1000hp it's the whole P.U that does.
what is a p.u. ?
Power. Unit. As in the system that provides power for the application
Around 750HP I believe. Plus 250HP when the electric battery dumps its load, every lap or so.
@@shelterstation more like 850 w/o the mgu-k
@@exiles299 ERS is 160BHP and allowed 33 seconds per lap, Engine on its own is 700 BHP, not sure where the extra 140BHP comes from?
I saw one of Alfa Romeos engines this year in their garage. So complex and nice looking
The gold era was started from 2000 and finished 2006 . The magnificent V10 and V8 naturally aspirated engines.
Totally agree!
Amazing engineering produces amazing things. These engines are pieces of art. Great video. Cheers.
RIP KEN BLOCK such a legend
I thought the "F1 engines are seized when cold" was a myth? Great video either way
I don't think they can be seized because it would make them really hard to assemble. I think the need warm them before starting is to get components to the right size before starting to minimise wear.
The F1 engine around 650-680hp,the rest of the power unit chimes in to make th the rest of the power to total 1000hp.
Great channel. F1 cars have fascinated me for awhile.
Would have been really cool to see you compare the Mercedes m139 versus the engine from the w13. But regardless this was another great video, thanks!
great vid, thanks for the Ken Block mention.
At a certain point, dollars per horsepower becomes a game that only deep pockets can play.
True, hence why there have been a clampdown, and more coming in the next few years, on engine development and rules. No one wants another decade of a single bottomless-pocket manufacturer winning everything backed by their ridiculously overpowered engine.
Current F1 ICE does NOT produce 1000hp, that, combined with the hybrid power unit in total does.
Y35 that sound is amazing. As always, love your analysis.
The latest Ford Fiesta ST Mk8 has a 3 cylinder 1.5 litre Turbocharged engine that produces 200bhp. Mk7 had a 1.6 litre 4 cylinder atmospheric engine.
MK7 is 1.6L Ecoboost engine. I think they round it up the new 1.5L to 1.6L to make it at same capacity of the F1 for a better comparative
Thank you for the video. And the outro... RIP Ken😥
Well, here's a big block that you might like, good old Chevrolet power. A Bill Michell alloy tall deck BBC 4.5" bore, w/sleeves remove, bored to 4.7" for NiB coating (block & crank weight comp. to LS7); and a 3.75" flat-plane crank, both on the limit of mass, but could be done (forged brass .30", yes .30" head "gasket'' O-grooved to both). The assembly pared-down further w/ 6.7" titanium/magnesium rods(1.786 ratio) pistons that look something like you showed and a 7.72lb steel flywheel, for a 5 X 8.5" kevlar clutch pack and titanium pressure plate. For dual cylinder hyd. clutch assist at 2.5X the pressure. For a C7 manual custom ratio transaxle in a C6 Vette. CID DM500 ported symmetrical heads (John wouldn't give me port volume, he hates it, says cross section is 4"sq. It flows 482cfm @ .800 lift w/2.5" int. valve, and room to unshroud. That's 520cid and 1050hp at 8250rpm, with some trickery from the ZZ572/720 crate mech. roller cam specs, Jesel 1.9, and a custom, mech. VVT mounted to a dual row timing set, for 20* of duration change, phased with the turbos. There's so much more, but NA power greater than your 1.6L wiz banger, and on E90/methanol inj. 2500hp capable w/ < 8lbs psi. per cyl. bank. No intercoolers and direct plumbing to and from fender mounted turbos to 2X50mm twin TBs w/y-pipes, canbon X-ram to opposing heads. The exhaust are Tri-Y for the 1-5-2-6-4-8-3-7 firing order. Lovely Garrett GTX3584RS turbos. Instant power and no KERS to shut down the engine, when the little battery gets all charged up with nowhere to go.. (about $50,000 plus trans, etc.)
The engines are not seized when cold. If they were it would be impossible to assemble the engine but to get those power levels the component clearances are extremely close. Starting a F1 engine cold will cause very expensive damage though. R.I.P Ken Block.
Thanks you for this! 🤝🏽
Maybe fit the right Fiesta ST to the engine. Your car was the New 3 cylinder 1,5 Liter ST.
Epic engineering and control. 👍
Very informative, thank youm
This video is excellent. I knew, but to watch and listen, puts it in to a frightening perspective. It is mind blowing what an F1 engine endures and amazing they don't fail more often.
Rip Ken Block 43. His cars and racing was insanely fun to watch. What a career! 🙏🏽💯
If I was head of the FIA, I’d have a rule that all engines must be production based and the displacement is capped at two litres. Any number of cylinders, diesels are allowed and beyond that, anything goes.
Mindblowing details, thanks for sharing this information, just wow.
I guarantee you that the Ford ST engine costs less than $2500 to produce (probably costs around $1800, given GDI, VVT & inflation). I worked on a 1.6l for one of the “Big 3” 20 years ago that cost well under $800 to produce at that time.
Yeah I think he looked up the cost to purchase a new engine. That isn't the cost to manufacture.
Thank you for the video, especially the outtro. Kens driving was both terrifyingly violent and absolutely beautifull all at once. History's most notorious serial killer of tires left chunks of blistering hot burnt rubber around every turn he took and smiles on the faces of everyone lucky enough to see it happen.
Rest easy Mr. Block, we love you. ❤️
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So basically in F1 if you miss the torque setting by even 1ft/lb or Nm you’ll be out of a job so fast it’s unbelievable
4:40
bro...
what are you doing... what the hell do the elephants have to do with anything?
Great video!
Classy ending guys... love this channel
Its a state of the art engine that's why its so expensive, rest easy Ken.
Could you get some collaborative videos with current f1 driver interviews? Or some type of 1 lab budget car challenge?
I’m curious to know what tolerances they use for engine parts. I’ve been in manufacturing for many years but of things more like the scope they use at 8:05.
So when they build this engine, with such tight tolerances do they heat the block, and freeze the pistons and crankshaft so these parts can move during assembly ?
Very interesting video, I love learning about how high preformance engines work and are developed! Maybe it would be interesting to do a same thing with motogp engines, seeing that a roadbike 1000cc engine isnt that much less powerfull then an gp 1000cc engine
This video was mostly fluff except for the outro KEN BLOCK.
6:35 the engine is "seized", when cold, and warming it up "unseizes" it 🤔 I don't think so. They are not seized when cold. Pre heating it tightens the tolerances, and brings all components up to operating temperature.
Class act with the ken block tribute
R.I.P. Ken Block
Pretty sure modern assembly lines use preset torque guns with very tight tolerances
Rip Block! I literally had no idea my favorite sport existed (Rally) until this dude pops up on og Top Gear. Damn dude I still can't believe it
microns or 0.001 mm at that level you even have to worry about fingerprints since your sweat(acid) can cause damage to the surface
I used to manually turn printing cylinders to a tolerance of 0.008mm.
The fiesta you showed in the begin has a 1.5 3 cylinder, not a 1.6
better for the video
Current gen is, last gen was a 4 banger 1.6
I'm glad you recognised Ken at the end, too sad, such a lovely guy
its that idle state i believe that gave merc issues with the AMG ONE
Legend has it the worst of the worst end up as tires in hell, with Ken Block shredding them for all eternity
Manufacturer's specification: After warming up to operating temperature at idle, tighten down bolts in a star pattern at 38 ft-lbs each, drive for 25 miles, then retighten to 38 ft-lbs.
Local shop/dealer: Beats on it with an impact gun for a whole minute to try to play the Imperial Death March under the hood, then slam the hood down.
1:55 We all do miss day sound... we all do 🥲
I honestly thought "ST" Stood for "Sport Turbo" and not "Sports Technologies"!
hey Scott, F1 engines generate 1000hp WITH the electric systems, the ICE itself “only“ produces around 700hp.
the “Hoon In Peace” sticker will never come off my back windshield
Great video as always. RIP Ken! O.G. badass.
I'm beginning to believe that Scarb's recording equipment evolves overtime as these videos are produced.
Such a sweet touch, the ken block outro
Anyone remember the turbo era of yore? They had factory BMW engines, modified making 1,200-1,500 hp in qualifying trim.
Specifically, 1.5 liter iron block 4 cylinder tipped on its side with just one big turbo.
@@ATEC101I heard that was basically a production line engine.