I just figured out...😥😥 Drift high on the Skies broh 🙏 We will miss your Skills and Power 💔 But thank you for living at 100%, you are the inspiration for many.
I machine F1 engines for a living and I thoroughly enjoyed this video. We really do record just about everything at every stage of the process. It's less about finger pointing at people and more just so we can look back and eliminate anything that did go wrong and mitigate it in future. RIP ken
4:28 - Im gonna pull a science nazi here; 2600 C is not "half as hot as the surface of the sun." - yes: 2600 is close enough to half of 5500 - but 0 C is an arbitrary temperature. A made-up point in the scale that isn't actually any baseline. It only represents the temperature that water freezes. If you state the temperature of combustion gas vs sun surface in Kelvin, or Fahrenheit you will have different ratios relative to their "zero" points.
The base size of a component is not called tolerance, that is dimension. There are however two types of tolerances when it comes to machining a part: Dimensional tolerances is the first which look at each measurement individually. Form and location is the other which handles things like parallel surfaces, flatness etc. (I haven't worked with manufacturing parts for F1 but for gas turbine engines and other high precision applications.)
@@theterriblepuddle1830 - Yeha it does cos failure is 0 so 0.00001% above failure is the tiny tolerance they are looking for. BUt its an unusual way of looking at tolerance I would say.
There are calculations for strength and other calculations for fatigue. One can calculate the minimum dimension under static load. If overloaded beyond its stress limits a part will first yield ( and deform) then break and result in a stress crack. One can calculate the failure rate for dynamic load for example the minimal dimensions needed before failure of repetitive loads, this is called fatigue. Like a railway cart axle wont fail immediately, but will fail after a certain amount of rotations because of repetitive load cycles. A fatigue crack is fundamentally different from a stress crack. The standard safety factor for both stress (yield) and fatigue is about 1.5, so a part would be guaranteed to not fail by a 100% to a defined maximum of load cycles or rotations at maximum load with a safety margin of 50% extra rotations. By reducing the safety factor from 1.5 to for example 1.05 a part would be designed a bit lighter and still not break by dynamic loads. It is however a risky play, because you are operating a machine so much closer to the edge of failure.
He was for sure to people who don't race or drive competitively. The man was a beast. To others who rally, he was just another driver, nothing really special about him. I mean no disrespect. RIP Ken. You will be missed by many.
@@shrimp3487 like I said. He was to you and me but he wasn't much of a badass to others who could drive competitively. I don't think he even won one rally in the WDC. He was average at best compared to other rally drivers. I'm not taking anything away from him. He inspired loads of people and will definitely be sadly missed. I was just disagreeing with you about being one of the sickest dudes to live, like you said.
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its not often someone is iconic enough to be beloved through all the different disciplines of motorsport, super cool of you to dedicate the outro to Ken Block!
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the part where you say the F1 engine is seized when cold is not correct, they can be started when cold, but because of the tolerances they would wear out prematurely
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Formula 1 needs to remake the early 2000 cars with today's technology. DRS, V10's with sustainable fuel, smaller lighter cars, bring back refueling, and more teams
@@W3ndal it doesn't. What it does is make every strategy predictable because the majority of the time in the pits is going slowly. It's the pit delta. So it ends up creating extra boring scenarios for 99% of the tracks where the strategies are entirely predictable. It's why we love rain so much. But further to why refuelling helps create more strategy, now you can choose to do full fuel, half fuel or splash of fuel. Where a pit delta with full fuel may take 60sec, a half load may be a delta of 40. It adds an extra layer of strategy. But you say, they'll still find the optimal strategy. Yea, they will. But more options means more possible paths to the outcome. Furthermore, Pirellis has made shit tires for a long time. Making them fall off so far and go from great to shit means 90% of strategies use the tire that degrades the slowest. Rare cases where the hard tire is worse do exist but the tires are so bad that without refuelling, the strategies (and best strategy) are _boringly_ predictable. Lastly, you may say "yea but with no fuel, if you mess up a pit stop it hurts". Which is your jeopardy comment. Sure. But define mess up? Over the past 5 years I can't remember when someone had a pit stop that was slower by less than a second to their rival where it actually mattered. The only times where a slower pit stop hurts is when it's really slow - like a 3sec turning into 6sec. And that's rare. So in reality, the pit stops aren't doing anything for the racing. The jeopardy just doesn't exist unless there's a huge screw up. They're only cool to watch from the choreography viewpoint. -F1 and motorsport fan for 35 years and counting.
I'm more into the engineering side but even I would be more than happy to have those V10s back. I love the current V6 but it would be nice to see even more complex engineering with the good old V10 and I know it will not rev as high as it was back then (because 3 engines per season limit). If there's anything I would disagree would be bringing refueling back. I thought it would be cool to see a V10 not having to refuel and last all 50+ laps. But of course it's the engineering part, you can disagree if you want.
I miss the sound of those high revving engines also and I wish they were back. I also miss the refueling in F1 because of the strategy changes made the racing so much more interesting.
I asked a NASA engineer why seemingly cheap objects cost so much money. He stated that time and people need to test the objects before we put them in space.
I build submarine parts for a military contractor. We have clearances in the 1-2 thousands of an inch quite often. We have for example a component the size of a small cabin that needs to be aligned to another part within 2 thousands of an inch absolutely square. It definitely adds cost to build anything to that level of detail.
6:35 the engine is "seized", when cold, and warming it up "unseizes" it 🤔 I don't think so. They are not seized when cold. Pre heating it tightens the tolerances, and brings all components up to operating temperature.
Manufacturer's specification: After warming up to operating temperature at idle, tighten down bolts in a star pattern at 38 ft-lbs each, drive for 25 miles, then retighten to 38 ft-lbs. Local shop/dealer: Beats on it with an impact gun for a whole minute to try to play the Imperial Death March under the hood, then slam the hood down.
As a Ph.D. Aerospace/Computer Engineer who works for a large American defense contractor's Aero company, I would love to be stuck into the middle of one of these teams as Principal Engineer...it would be a metallurgical stress/heat and software engineer heaven.
Just a point. The ST you showed has been downsized to a 1.5 3cyl. The older shape was the 1.6 4 cyl. However this only ran 200bhp in the very last models off the line, most were 180bhp stock.
@@CaymanIslandsCatWalks the 140bhp 1l fiesta is surprisingly fun car!! Just a shame Ford fitted with eco ditch finders. I found it understeered too much if pushed.
The 1.6 was 182hp and on overboost (during 15/20 secs would make 197hp on European version. On the US version there was no overboost and they always make 197hp.
As an automotive engineer, I can explain regarding the high *(revs)* numbers. The 4000 RPM on a road car is not the same as the 4000 rpm in a F1 car. Let me explain: 1. The Bore of the F1 engine is larger than a normal road car engine making the stroke of the engine smaller, thus the piston only needs a small amount of distance from Bottom Dead Center (BDC) to Top Dead Center (TDC) 1a. A typical road car bore X stroke dimension is from 79mm X 84mm 1b. An Assumed F1 bore X stroke dimension is from 95mm X 55mm 1c. This makes the distance from BDC to TDC shorter making the revs higher. Most car manufacturers now are not doing so because of the sound regulations that it has to meet. But yes, this is in simple terms on why F1 engines are such. But this calculation is for a typical 1.6L engine. To achieve higher revs in a bigger cylinder engine is relatively the same thing. Just increase the bore dimensions and automatically you will have a smaller stroke dimension. This calculation can be calculated in: *_(π/4 × b2 × s × c)_* b = bore dimension s = stroke dimension c = number of cylinders *note* : The calculation I made above is just for an example.
"The 4000 RPM on a road car is not the same as the 4000 rpm in a F1 car." Yes it is. For 4000 rpm is the same number of revolutions per minute. "A typical road car bore X stroke dimension is from 79mm X 84mm" Uh, what is a "typical" road car? No such thing and bore and strokes come in all sizes and ratios making them oversquared, squared or undersquared. "An Assumed F1 bore X stroke dimension is from 95mm X 55mm" You mean you didnt even look it up and just ASSUMED a random number. At the very least you could have checked that a 1600cc dispacement divided by 6 cylinders equals 266cc per cylinder. Your random assumption would make it 390cc. "Most car manufacturers now are not doing so because of the sound regulations that it has to meet." Which is a load of nonsense. Cars developed for economy tend to have more undersquared engines while sportier engines tend to be more oversquared but its far from being that simple or black and white. "But yes, this is in simple terms on why F1 engines are such" Are WHAT?? "such" ?? "But this calculation is for a typical 1.6L engine" What is a "typical 1,6L engine" Hondas, Toyotas, Volvos, Kias, Peugeots, Fiats etc are nowhere comparable. " To achieve higher revs in a bigger cylinder engine is relatively the same thing. Just increase the bore dimensions and automatically you will have a smaller stroke dimension. " Bollocks for you can KEEP the same bore and make the stroke longer or shorter and vice versa. Fact is that is what quite a few manufactures do. Higher revs means more power cycles for every second/minute. Hence more power produced. For 12,000 to 20,000 rpm to be possible at all F1 engines used pneumatic valve gear. Which you dont mention at all. What kind of an "automotive engineer" are you anyway?
Much respect to you Scott for your simple outro honoring the legendary Ken Block. What a performer he was in all of the motor sports he drove in. Always putting smiles on people’s faces from X-Games to Gymkhana. Rest in peace and keep shredding tires in heaven. 🙌🏻 🛞
I guarantee you that the Ford ST engine costs less than $2500 to produce (probably costs around $1800, given GDI, VVT & inflation). I worked on a 1.6l for one of the “Big 3” 20 years ago that cost well under $800 to produce at that time.
True, hence why there have been a clampdown, and more coming in the next few years, on engine development and rules. No one wants another decade of a single bottomless-pocket manufacturer winning everything backed by their ridiculously overpowered engine.
To be fair to the ST, the F1 engine alone only makes 450ish hp. The hybrid system gets it to 1000, and the turbos run much higher boost pressures. Another thing: V8 era F1 engines make similar hp per liter, but are naturally aspirated.
An F1 engine does not make 1000hp. They make about 800 or so. The rest is the electric motors. I don’t know why people always say F1 is 1000hp. You can’t use the electric motors full time, so they shouldn’t be included in the Hp numbers.
good grief, you can't _not_ find an f1 fan nowadays who can't go 2 minutes without saying "i missed how the engines sounded in ___". for the love of god
@@perpetual_bias I don't think its an "internet phrase" I think people say it because they believe it. I'm sure people that don't watch car vids havent heard the phrase.
@@quistan2 now we're just arguing over semantics but obviously that's how that works? only people that are part of a certain community will know the typical slang and colloquialisms within that community people that don't watch car videos and randomly watch a video might comment "wow that car sounds amazing", "the engine sounds incredible" etc people that don't watch car videos and randomly watch a video DON'T comment "i miss the v12 sounds from the 80s" i'm complaining about people stating the obvious, not that they have personal preferences. it's similar to saying "being stuck in traffic is so boring". like, obviously. everyone knows that
I don't think they can be seized because it would make them really hard to assemble. I think the need warm them before starting is to get components to the right size before starting to minimise wear.
If I was head of the FIA, I’d have a rule that all engines must be production based and the displacement is capped at two litres. Any number of cylinders, diesels are allowed and beyond that, anything goes.
You're completely wrong. The total budget is capped at 145 million for a season. For the full season of 20 Formula 1 races, each driver is allowed to use a total of 8 fresh engines. Do your math, it doesn't add up!
pneumatic valves might not be used today as motorcycle engines rev to 14,500 rpm as some brands of motocycles rev to 15k rpm, instead stiff valve springs might be used on F1 engines to adhere to the current cost cap regulations
That would be interesting. I bet the power and dyno curves would be basically a secret though. Indy would likely not mind, Formula 1 teams though.... Aint no way theyd all agree to have their skunkworks numbers just publicly known.
Then Look at the archaeic pushrod V8 engines in drag racing that produce insane amounts of power for far cheaper. Making about 11,000 HP for an 8.3 liter engine. That's like 1,400 hp per liter lol. Also the sound of a top fuel is something that can't be explained. It's the one motorsport where you have to be there to experience it. 0 to 330 mph in under four seconds.
@@ale_s45 yea I feel you about that. They don't last for shit lol. I'm all about modern engines although I did use to drive a c6 corvette with a pushrod v8 and that thing was amazing. Low weight and made power super easy..
@@ale_s45 one of the most amazing modern engines you should check out is the one in the kawasaki zx 25r. its 250cc revs to 16,000 rpm and tuned people are getting them to make 52 hp na and with a turbo they are getting over 100 hp. That's 400 hp per liter on something that can be driven regularly.
The engines are not seized when cold. If they were it would be impossible to assemble the engine but to get those power levels the component clearances are extremely close. Starting a F1 engine cold will cause very expensive damage though. R.I.P Ken Block.
The shown Fiesta Mk8 ST has a 1.5l three cylinder engine. You talk about the 1.6l of the Mk7 ST (200@5700 with overboost) or probably the ST200 (215hp@6000 with overbosst, 200 without). Anyway, the limiter is higher than that.
I can guarantee you that Ford spent many 100’s of millions on developing the EcoBoom engine and can still sell them for only five grand each, even after all the tooling and assembly line has been designed and built. Why? Because they sell them by the 10’s of thousands. When you only build a few units a year the engine developers have to get their money back somehow. I’d guess that the sum of the parts of a F1 engine doesn’t come close to $10,000,000. Just as the Ford engine, it’s the development cost and tooling needed that does. Even after they spend all that money though, I doubt we’ll see anything as stupid as a wet cambelt in F1 anytime soon!
A formula one engine doesn't cost 10 Million. When you consider that for the 20-ish Million a year teams pay their suppliers, teams get 2,5-5 PUs for the season per driver (depending on reliability) plus PUs for the pre-season-tests and other test drives, it's probably only 1 million for the manufacturing of a PU (not including development costs). Some ball park numbers: 20 Million per year for two drivers, each of them needs 3 whole PUs for the season (really good reliability), plus one for testing: that's 8 PUs, so 2.5 million per power train.
Thank you @ 7:17, finally someone inserting a piston into a cylinder without fitting the plastic guide on top of the cylinder hole first. Always wondered if that guide was necessary in order to place the piston in and now I see its possible without it. Lol
This video is excellent. I knew, but to watch and listen, puts it in to a frightening perspective. It is mind blowing what an F1 engine endures and amazing they don't fail more often.
Big bore short stroke is the fundamental difference . Which leads to high hp numbers but low torque. Not much use anywhere but in racing. Incomparable, but handy for feeding ducks.
Thank you for the video, especially the outtro. Kens driving was both terrifyingly violent and absolutely beautifull all at once. History's most notorious serial killer of tires left chunks of blistering hot burnt rubber around every turn he took and smiles on the faces of everyone lucky enough to see it happen. Rest easy Mr. Block, we love you. ❤️ 🚗💨
Cold seizures are real and exist due to internal mechanical failure or lockup or on rare instances foreign metal inside the combustion chamber. Also causes can also be attributed to the metal inclusions that were missed during UT and magna flux inspection.
If Latifi proved anything is you'll invest in massive amounts each year on top of the line performance engines...and still be Latifi (That's not to say he's not the goat, he'll be in our hearts and memes,forever)
So, if i have Mercedes benz AMG one that using a F1 engine, after 50000 km i doesn't have to rebuild my engine like they said because i only lose 10 HP 4:55
A very good explanation of why the engines are so expensive, but no discussion on if they need to be. Drivers always want more power, but its only relative to the competition. Driver just want the fastest engine on the grid. Fans dont give a monkeys for how advanced the engines are, they just want to watch fast cars that make lots of noise. F1 could become far more affordable and more relevant, if they ditched the current regs and just made a formula based on a race version of existing road engines. Mclaren, Aston, Ferrari, Merc etc all make powerful V8 engines for their GTs and sports cars. Make the teams run these as the base, with a spending cap of $100,000 per engine.
I’m not a fan of formula 1, it’s quite boring, but I think you’re right on this one. Why can’t the FIA have a rule that all engines must be production based? It’s going to cut the cost quite dramatically. Let’s say, keep it at two litres, the engine must be off the shelf, any number of cylinders, diesels are allowed and anything beyond that, anything goes. Keep the engine cost down to £10000, but go nuts.
Well, here's a big block that you might like, good old Chevrolet power. A Bill Michell alloy tall deck BBC 4.5" bore, w/sleeves remove, bored to 4.7" for NiB coating (block & crank weight comp. to LS7); and a 3.75" flat-plane crank, both on the limit of mass, but could be done (forged brass .30", yes .30" head "gasket'' O-grooved to both). The assembly pared-down further w/ 6.7" titanium/magnesium rods(1.786 ratio) pistons that look something like you showed and a 7.72lb steel flywheel, for a 5 X 8.5" kevlar clutch pack and titanium pressure plate. For dual cylinder hyd. clutch assist at 2.5X the pressure. For a C7 manual custom ratio transaxle in a C6 Vette. CID DM500 ported symmetrical heads (John wouldn't give me port volume, he hates it, says cross section is 4"sq. It flows 482cfm @ .800 lift w/2.5" int. valve, and room to unshroud. That's 520cid and 1050hp at 8250rpm, with some trickery from the ZZ572/720 crate mech. roller cam specs, Jesel 1.9, and a custom, mech. VVT mounted to a dual row timing set, for 20* of duration change, phased with the turbos. There's so much more, but NA power greater than your 1.6L wiz banger, and on E90/methanol inj. 2500hp capable w/ < 8lbs psi. per cyl. bank. No intercoolers and direct plumbing to and from fender mounted turbos to 2X50mm twin TBs w/y-pipes, canbon X-ram to opposing heads. The exhaust are Tri-Y for the 1-5-2-6-4-8-3-7 firing order. Lovely Garrett GTX3584RS turbos. Instant power and no KERS to shut down the engine, when the little battery gets all charged up with nowhere to go.. (about $50,000 plus trans, etc.)
rip ken block. a true inspirer. dreams were born from watching him
A serious legend. Inspired teenage me, as well as millions of others. RIP
Ken block 43ver
Fuck! I didn't hear ab this! Damn. I loved his work
Duh
didnt know he died. rip ken you will be missed. hope you are doing skyhakanas up there!
Rip to one of the most badass drivers ever.
What happened to him
Just read it. RIP
@@Very_Grumpy_Cat Snow is not road ... at least they lived like few people have guts to live ...
I just figured out...😥😥
Drift high on the Skies broh 🙏
We will miss your Skills and Power 💔
But thank you for living at 100%, you are the inspiration for many.
LOL, most badass driver ever
I machine F1 engines for a living and I thoroughly enjoyed this video. We really do record just about everything at every stage of the process. It's less about finger pointing at people and more just so we can look back and eliminate anything that did go wrong and mitigate it in future. RIP ken
Do you use predictive analytics?
@@DanClark_ddc no, just predictive text
allow me to demonstrate
my nuts are not going to work today but I think it's not a big deal
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Are you allowed to say which team you work for?
4:28 - Im gonna pull a science nazi here; 2600 C is not "half as hot as the surface of the sun." - yes: 2600 is close enough to half of 5500 - but 0 C is an arbitrary temperature. A made-up point in the scale that isn't actually any baseline. It only represents the temperature that water freezes. If you state the temperature of combustion gas vs sun surface in Kelvin, or Fahrenheit you will have different ratios relative to their "zero" points.
The base size of a component is not called tolerance, that is dimension.
There are however two types of tolerances when it comes to machining a part:
Dimensional tolerances is the first which look at each measurement individually.
Form and location is the other which handles things like parallel surfaces, flatness etc.
(I haven't worked with manufacturing parts for F1 but for gas turbine engines and other high precision applications.)
@@theterriblepuddle1830 i would call it more like a safety factor then a tolerance
@@theterriblepuddle1830 - Yeha it does cos failure is 0 so 0.00001% above failure is the tiny tolerance they are looking for. BUt its an unusual way of looking at tolerance I would say.
@@theterriblepuddle1830 He used the word 'tolerance' incorrectly, as Rolf exaplained.
There are calculations for strength and other calculations for fatigue. One can calculate the minimum dimension under static load. If overloaded beyond its stress limits a part will first yield ( and deform) then break and result in a stress crack. One can calculate the failure rate for dynamic load for example the minimal dimensions needed before failure of repetitive loads, this is called fatigue. Like a railway cart axle wont fail immediately, but will fail after a certain amount of rotations because of repetitive load cycles. A fatigue crack is fundamentally different from a stress crack.
The standard safety factor for both stress (yield) and fatigue is about 1.5, so a part would be guaranteed to not fail by a 100% to a defined maximum of load cycles or rotations at maximum load with a safety margin of 50% extra rotations. By reducing the safety factor from 1.5 to for example 1.05 a part would be designed a bit lighter and still not break by dynamic loads. It is however a risky play, because you are operating a machine so much closer to the edge of failure.
@@AlfaRomeo156SWGTA please explain how you would calculate the fatigue failure cycles on the rotating cart axle. Thanks
Ken was one of the guys who got me into cars. Really was one of my idols, RIP.
Ken block is one of the sickest dudes to live. Keep shredding tires up there❤️
He was for sure to people who don't race or drive competitively. The man was a beast. To others who rally, he was just another driver, nothing really special about him.
I mean no disrespect. RIP Ken. You will be missed by many.
@@Sean-pm2vd who cares really, dude was a badass
@@shrimp3487 like I said. He was to you and me but he wasn't much of a badass to others who could drive competitively. I don't think he even won one rally in the WDC. He was average at best compared to other rally drivers.
I'm not taking anything away from him. He inspired loads of people and will definitely be sadly missed.
I was just disagreeing with you about being one of the sickest dudes to live, like you said.
@seab he didn't achieve anything in wrc, just stuntman
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its not often someone is iconic enough to be beloved through all the different disciplines of motorsport, super cool of you to dedicate the outro to Ken Block!
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@@alunesh12345 - Yawn.
Great outro for Ken. No long winded explanation needed. Just the dedication and a reminder of a few of the best moments. Cheers!
1:54 "I do really miss that sound"
We all do, Scott, we all do.
4:40
bro...
what are you doing... what the hell do the elephants have to do with anything?
the part where you say the F1 engine is seized when cold is not correct, they can be started when cold, but because of the tolerances they would wear out prematurely
class act with the dedication. RIP to a legend of the sport and a trailblazer of industry.
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@@alunesh12345 11th commandment: Thou Shalt not SPAM
@@alunesh12345 Who knew Jesus wanted you to exploit someones death to use cult-spam tactics to try and manipulate people into the 'right' religion?
Formula 1 needs to remake the early 2000 cars with today's technology. DRS, V10's with sustainable fuel, smaller lighter cars, bring back refueling, and more teams
Sorry but, completely disagree about refuelling. Turned every pitstop into a 15 - 20 second snooze. The current tire only stops add more jeopardy..
@@W3ndal it doesn't. What it does is make every strategy predictable because the majority of the time in the pits is going slowly. It's the pit delta. So it ends up creating extra boring scenarios for 99% of the tracks where the strategies are entirely predictable.
It's why we love rain so much.
But further to why refuelling helps create more strategy, now you can choose to do full fuel, half fuel or splash of fuel. Where a pit delta with full fuel may take 60sec, a half load may be a delta of 40. It adds an extra layer of strategy.
But you say, they'll still find the optimal strategy. Yea, they will. But more options means more possible paths to the outcome. Furthermore, Pirellis has made shit tires for a long time. Making them fall off so far and go from great to shit means 90% of strategies use the tire that degrades the slowest. Rare cases where the hard tire is worse do exist but the tires are so bad that without refuelling, the strategies (and best strategy) are _boringly_ predictable.
Lastly, you may say "yea but with no fuel, if you mess up a pit stop it hurts". Which is your jeopardy comment. Sure. But define mess up? Over the past 5 years I can't remember when someone had a pit stop that was slower by less than a second to their rival where it actually mattered. The only times where a slower pit stop hurts is when it's really slow - like a 3sec turning into 6sec. And that's rare. So in reality, the pit stops aren't doing anything for the racing. The jeopardy just doesn't exist unless there's a huge screw up.
They're only cool to watch from the choreography viewpoint.
-F1 and motorsport fan for 35 years and counting.
I'm more into the engineering side but even I would be more than happy to have those V10s back. I love the current V6 but it would be nice to see even more complex engineering with the good old V10 and I know it will not rev as high as it was back then (because 3 engines per season limit). If there's anything I would disagree would be bringing refueling back. I thought it would be cool to see a V10 not having to refuel and last all 50+ laps. But of course it's the engineering part, you can disagree if you want.
@@Real28 yeah but I would feel bad for ferrari strategist. They can't make good decisions even without refueling and stuff.
I miss the sound of those high revving engines also and I wish they were back. I also miss the refueling in F1 because of the strategy changes made the racing so much more interesting.
Love the Ken Block Outro.
He will be missed.
So sad to see Scarbs was not offered a proper mic for Christmas 😥
Love my Focus ST and wish they never stopped making them here in the US. I'd love to drive or own a new '21-'22 model
I asked a NASA engineer why seemingly cheap objects cost so much money. He stated that time and people need to test the objects before we put them in space.
Im far more impressed by 80's era turbo F1 engines than any modern F1 hoover vacuum sounding turbo/hybrid engine!
I build submarine parts for a military contractor. We have clearances in the 1-2 thousands of an inch quite often. We have for example a component the size of a small cabin that needs to be aligned to another part within 2 thousands of an inch absolutely square.
It definitely adds cost to build anything to that level of detail.
6:35 the engine is "seized", when cold, and warming it up "unseizes" it 🤔 I don't think so. They are not seized when cold. Pre heating it tightens the tolerances, and brings all components up to operating temperature.
RIP Ken, one heck of a driver, we all will miss you.
Manufacturer's specification: After warming up to operating temperature at idle, tighten down bolts in a star pattern at 38 ft-lbs each, drive for 25 miles, then retighten to 38 ft-lbs.
Local shop/dealer: Beats on it with an impact gun for a whole minute to try to play the Imperial Death March under the hood, then slam the hood down.
Most f1 engines have around 850hp it’s the battery with energy deployment which brings the f1 car to over 1000hp
As a Ph.D. Aerospace/Computer Engineer who works for a large American defense contractor's Aero company, I would love to be stuck into the middle of one of these teams as Principal Engineer...it would be a metallurgical stress/heat and software engineer heaven.
"Your road car rarely revs above 4000 rpm..."
My Miata: Rarely spends time below 4000 rpm.
rest in paradise ken, you were one of the men that got me into motorsport in the first place, r.i.p. legend
Just a point. The ST you showed has been downsized to a 1.5 3cyl.
The older shape was the 1.6 4 cyl. However this only ran 200bhp in the very last models off the line, most were 180bhp stock.
Yeah,
I want write this too yet 👍🏼
Because in the animation was a 4 cylinder to see 😅
Just to add. The 1litre ecoboost i had as hire car back in 2015 was banging. My buddy swapped me his jag xkR for it for a week no joke.
@@CaymanIslandsCatWalks the 140bhp 1l fiesta is surprisingly fun car!! Just a shame Ford fitted with eco ditch finders. I found it understeered too much if pushed.
@@rupertm2542 legit was great fun
The 1.6 was 182hp and on overboost (during 15/20 secs would make 197hp on European version. On the US version there was no overboost and they always make 197hp.
As an automotive engineer, I can explain regarding the high *(revs)* numbers. The 4000 RPM on a road car is not the same as the 4000 rpm in a F1 car. Let me explain:
1. The Bore of the F1 engine is larger than a normal road car engine making the stroke of the engine smaller, thus the piston only needs a small amount of distance from Bottom Dead Center (BDC) to Top Dead Center (TDC)
1a. A typical road car bore X stroke dimension is from 79mm X 84mm
1b. An Assumed F1 bore X stroke dimension is from 95mm X 55mm
1c. This makes the distance from BDC to TDC shorter making the revs higher.
Most car manufacturers now are not doing so because of the sound regulations that it has to meet.
But yes, this is in simple terms on why F1 engines are such. But this calculation is for a typical 1.6L engine. To achieve higher revs in a bigger cylinder engine is relatively the same thing. Just increase the bore dimensions and automatically you will have a smaller stroke dimension.
This calculation can be calculated in:
*_(π/4 × b2 × s × c)_*
b = bore dimension
s = stroke dimension
c = number of cylinders
*note* : The calculation I made above is just for an example.
"The 4000 RPM on a road car is not the same as the 4000 rpm in a F1 car."
Yes it is. For 4000 rpm is the same number of revolutions per minute.
"A typical road car bore X stroke dimension is from 79mm X 84mm" Uh, what is a "typical" road car? No such thing and bore and strokes come in all sizes and ratios making them oversquared, squared or undersquared.
"An Assumed F1 bore X stroke dimension is from 95mm X 55mm" You mean you didnt even look it up and just ASSUMED a random number. At the very least you could have checked that a 1600cc dispacement divided by 6 cylinders equals 266cc per cylinder. Your random assumption would make it 390cc.
"Most car manufacturers now are not doing so because of the sound regulations that it has to meet." Which is a load of nonsense. Cars developed for economy tend to have more undersquared engines while sportier engines tend to be more oversquared but its far from being that simple or black and white.
"But yes, this is in simple terms on why F1 engines are such" Are WHAT?? "such" ??
"But this calculation is for a typical 1.6L engine" What is a "typical 1,6L engine" Hondas, Toyotas, Volvos, Kias, Peugeots, Fiats etc are nowhere comparable.
" To achieve higher revs in a bigger cylinder engine is relatively the same thing. Just increase the bore dimensions and automatically you will have a smaller stroke dimension. " Bollocks for you can KEEP the same bore and make the stroke longer or shorter and vice versa. Fact is that is what quite a few manufactures do.
Higher revs means more power cycles for every second/minute. Hence more power produced. For 12,000 to 20,000 rpm to be possible at all F1 engines used pneumatic valve gear. Which you dont mention at all.
What kind of an "automotive engineer" are you anyway?
The only way that motor would be $10M is if the block was solid gold!🤣🤣
We all miss that sound!
I wonder what they would sound like now. With direct injection and no fuel cooling probably no rasp.
Much respect to you Scott for your simple outro honoring the legendary Ken Block. What a performer he was in all of the motor sports he drove in. Always putting smiles on people’s faces from X-Games to Gymkhana. Rest in peace and keep shredding tires in heaven. 🙌🏻 🛞
Legend has it the worst of the worst end up as tires in hell, with Ken Block shredding them for all eternity
I guarantee you that the Ford ST engine costs less than $2500 to produce (probably costs around $1800, given GDI, VVT & inflation). I worked on a 1.6l for one of the “Big 3” 20 years ago that cost well under $800 to produce at that time.
Yeah I think he looked up the cost to purchase a new engine. That isn't the cost to manufacture.
Driver 61 : The ST is no race car…
Ford : But we painted the callipers…
At a certain point, dollars per horsepower becomes a game that only deep pockets can play.
True, hence why there have been a clampdown, and more coming in the next few years, on engine development and rules. No one wants another decade of a single bottomless-pocket manufacturer winning everything backed by their ridiculously overpowered engine.
The engine doesn't produce 1000hp it's the whole P.U that does.
what is a p.u. ?
Power. Unit. As in the system that provides power for the application
Around 750HP I believe. Plus 250HP when the electric battery dumps its load, every lap or so.
@@shelterstation more like 850 w/o the mgu-k
@@exiles299 ERS is 160BHP and allowed 33 seconds per lap, Engine on its own is 700 BHP, not sure where the extra 140BHP comes from?
That's the same sort of engineering, manufacturing, and maintenance discipline applied to aircraft engines. Good stuff!
I honestly thought "ST" Stood for "Sport Turbo" and not "Sports Technologies"!
hey Scott, F1 engines generate 1000hp WITH the electric systems, the ICE itself “only“ produces around 700hp.
Well, in this comments section alone, Ive seen everything from 450 to 850 attributed to the engine alone. Who's right?? 🤔
To be fair to the ST, the F1 engine alone only makes 450ish hp. The hybrid system gets it to 1000, and the turbos run much higher boost pressures. Another thing: V8 era F1 engines make similar hp per liter, but are naturally aspirated.
The gold era was started from 2000 and finished 2006 . The magnificent V10 and V8 naturally aspirated engines.
Totally agree!
An F1 engine does not make 1000hp. They make about 800 or so. The rest is the electric motors. I don’t know why people always say F1 is 1000hp. You can’t use the electric motors full time, so they shouldn’t be included in the Hp numbers.
The myth that formula 1 engines are seized when cold is total crap. Do people think that these engines are assembled in 100 degree rooms?💀
It has nothing to do with what’s going on but f1 saying we need to be more efficient is like me saying I need to filter my farts
good grief, you can't _not_ find an f1 fan nowadays who can't go 2 minutes without saying "i missed how the engines sounded in ___". for the love of god
Ask yourself why that upsets you.
There's a reason why people say it.
@@quistan2 being _tired_ of a generic Internet phrase isn't the same as being _upset_
but thanks for trying to teach a philosophy lesson
@@perpetual_bias I don't think its an "internet phrase" I think people say it because they believe it.
I'm sure people that don't watch car vids havent heard the phrase.
@@quistan2 now we're just arguing over semantics
but obviously that's how that works? only people that are part of a certain community will know the typical slang and colloquialisms within that community
people that don't watch car videos and randomly watch a video might comment "wow that car sounds amazing", "the engine sounds incredible" etc
people that don't watch car videos and randomly watch a video DON'T comment "i miss the v12 sounds from the 80s"
i'm complaining about people stating the obvious, not that they have personal preferences. it's similar to saying "being stuck in traffic is so boring". like, obviously. everyone knows that
I thought the "F1 engines are seized when cold" was a myth? Great video either way
I don't think they can be seized because it would make them really hard to assemble. I think the need warm them before starting is to get components to the right size before starting to minimise wear.
Oh my God. I wasn't expecting that. You made me cry. So glad to be a part of this channel.
If I was head of the FIA, I’d have a rule that all engines must be production based and the displacement is capped at two litres. Any number of cylinders, diesels are allowed and beyond that, anything goes.
RIP KEN BLOCK such a legend
Very classy tribute to Ken. RIP (Great video too!)
Simple answer supply and demand if all Toyotas came with a 1000 hp engine that engine to would only cost $5,000
You're completely wrong. The total budget is capped at 145 million for a season. For the full season of 20 Formula 1 races, each driver is allowed to use a total of 8 fresh engines. Do your math, it doesn't add up!
pneumatic valves might not be used today as motorcycle engines rev to 14,500 rpm as some brands of motocycles rev to 15k rpm, instead stiff valve springs might be used on F1 engines to adhere to the current cost cap regulations
The F1 engine around 650-680hp,the rest of the power unit chimes in to make th the rest of the power to total 1000hp.
Great VID And R.I.P Ken block
Hit me in the feels with the KB outro.... Tough start to the year.
Alpine F1 engine with hybrid system cost €1,7M.
It would be interesting to compare an F1 engine to an Indycar one that makes moderately less power but it costs a fraction of that
That would be interesting. I bet the power and dyno curves would be basically a secret though.
Indy would likely not mind, Formula 1 teams though....
Aint no way theyd all agree to have their skunkworks numbers just publicly known.
Then Look at the archaeic pushrod V8 engines in drag racing that produce insane amounts of power for far cheaper. Making about 11,000 HP for an 8.3 liter engine. That's like 1,400 hp per liter lol. Also the sound of a top fuel is something that can't be explained. It's the one motorsport where you have to be there to experience it. 0 to 330 mph in under four seconds.
@@4touchdowns1game29 I'm talking about racing engines that last for whole races, as amazing as drag engines are they literally last 400 meters
@@ale_s45 yea I feel you about that. They don't last for shit lol. I'm all about modern engines although I did use to drive a c6 corvette with a pushrod v8 and that thing was amazing. Low weight and made power super easy..
@@ale_s45 one of the most amazing modern engines you should check out is the one in the kawasaki zx 25r. its 250cc revs to 16,000 rpm and tuned people are getting them to make 52 hp na and with a turbo they are getting over 100 hp. That's 400 hp per liter on something that can be driven regularly.
I saw one of Alfa Romeos engines this year in their garage. So complex and nice looking
Love your videos! But can I request you add in an intro screen instead of starting speaking at exactly 0:00.0 timestamp. Thank you
Great clip, really well done and enjoyable, and the outtro for Ken Block was just a perfect nod to that amazing driver.
Do a nuclear powered sub vs a Hayabusa next!
The engines are not seized when cold. If they were it would be impossible to assemble the engine but to get those power levels the component clearances are extremely close. Starting a F1 engine cold will cause very expensive damage though. R.I.P Ken Block.
The shown Fiesta Mk8 ST has a 1.5l three cylinder engine.
You talk about the 1.6l of the Mk7 ST (200@5700 with overboost) or probably the ST200 (215hp@6000 with overbosst, 200 without). Anyway, the limiter is higher than that.
I can guarantee you that Ford spent many 100’s of millions on developing the EcoBoom engine and can still sell them for only five grand each, even after all the tooling and assembly line has been designed and built. Why? Because they sell them by the 10’s of thousands. When you only build a few units a year the engine developers have to get their money back somehow. I’d guess that the sum of the parts of a F1 engine doesn’t come close to $10,000,000. Just as the Ford engine, it’s the development cost and tooling needed that does. Even after they spend all that money though, I doubt we’ll see anything as stupid as a wet cambelt in F1 anytime soon!
The latest Ford Fiesta ST Mk8 has a 3 cylinder 1.5 litre Turbocharged engine that produces 200bhp. Mk7 had a 1.6 litre 4 cylinder atmospheric engine.
MK7 is 1.6L Ecoboost engine. I think they round it up the new 1.5L to 1.6L to make it at same capacity of the F1 for a better comparative
6:43 that's a myth. They will still start cold but they will wear down 100x more
I used to manually turn printing cylinders to a tolerance of 0.008mm.
Don’t believe the 10million Dollar price tag on the Formula 1 engine. More like 1 Mio Dollar maybe.
9:00
This is what I will remember Ken for. Rest in peace.
You didn’t mention bore and stroke.
Its a state of the art engine that's why its so expensive, rest easy Ken.
Great channel. F1 cars have fascinated me for awhile.
ALL HAIL THE V10.
A formula one engine doesn't cost 10 Million.
When you consider that for the 20-ish Million a year teams pay their suppliers, teams get 2,5-5 PUs for the season per driver (depending on reliability) plus PUs for the pre-season-tests and other test drives, it's probably only 1 million for the manufacturing of a PU (not including development costs).
Some ball park numbers: 20 Million per year for two drivers, each of them needs 3 whole PUs for the season (really good reliability), plus one for testing: that's 8 PUs, so 2.5 million per power train.
Rip Ken Block 43. His cars and racing was insanely fun to watch. What a career! 🙏🏽💯
Thank you @ 7:17, finally someone inserting a piston into a cylinder without fitting the plastic guide on top of the cylinder hole first. Always wondered if that guide was necessary in order to place the piston in and now I see its possible without it. Lol
7:15 footage of the piston being turned on a milling machine?! Really
This video is excellent. I knew, but to watch and listen, puts it in to a frightening perspective. It is mind blowing what an F1 engine endures and amazing they don't fail more often.
Big bore short stroke is the fundamental difference . Which leads to high hp numbers but low torque. Not much use anywhere but in racing. Incomparable, but handy for feeding ducks.
Thank you for the video, especially the outtro. Kens driving was both terrifyingly violent and absolutely beautifull all at once. History's most notorious serial killer of tires left chunks of blistering hot burnt rubber around every turn he took and smiles on the faces of everyone lucky enough to see it happen.
Rest easy Mr. Block, we love you. ❤️
🚗💨
I don’t think the engines can be ‘seized’ when cold, as parts expand when they are hot. It’s just the wear would be unacceptable.
Cold seizures are real and exist due to internal mechanical failure or lockup or on rare instances foreign metal inside the combustion chamber. Also causes can also be attributed to the metal inclusions that were missed during UT and magna flux inspection.
great vid, thanks for the Ken Block mention.
$5,000 engine: Runs for 120,000 miles over 15 years at 200 hp
$10,000,000 engine: Runs for 200 miles over 2 hours at 1000 hp
If Latifi proved anything is you'll invest in massive amounts each year on top of the line performance engines...and still be Latifi (That's not to say he's not the goat, he'll be in our hearts and memes,forever)
GOATIFI
Current F1 ICE does NOT produce 1000hp, that, combined with the hybrid power unit in total does.
So, if i have Mercedes benz AMG one that using a F1 engine, after 50000 km i doesn't have to rebuild my engine like they said because i only lose 10 HP 4:55
Beautiful tribute ending. Thanks Scott. He is still missed.
A very good explanation of why the engines are so expensive, but no discussion on if they need to be. Drivers always want more power, but its only relative to the competition. Driver just want the fastest engine on the grid. Fans dont give a monkeys for how advanced the engines are, they just want to watch fast cars that make lots of noise.
F1 could become far more affordable and more relevant, if they ditched the current regs and just made a formula based on a race version of existing road engines. Mclaren, Aston, Ferrari, Merc etc all make powerful V8 engines for their GTs and sports cars. Make the teams run these as the base, with a spending cap of $100,000 per engine.
I’m not a fan of formula 1, it’s quite boring, but I think you’re right on this one. Why can’t the FIA have a rule that all engines must be production based? It’s going to cut the cost quite dramatically. Let’s say, keep it at two litres, the engine must be off the shelf, any number of cylinders, diesels are allowed and anything beyond that, anything goes. Keep the engine cost down to £10000, but go nuts.
Fiesta going 200,000 miles? Hahahhahahha
Such superb analysis Hat doffed for sharing the technical depth that is F1 engineering
No wonder Ferrari didn't have any more money to develop the car after all the engine failures
Very interesting. Thanks for breaking it down. I also miss those sounds of earlier models.
Well, here's a big block that you might like, good old Chevrolet power. A Bill Michell alloy tall deck BBC 4.5" bore, w/sleeves remove, bored to 4.7" for NiB coating (block & crank weight comp. to LS7); and a 3.75" flat-plane crank, both on the limit of mass, but could be done (forged brass .30", yes .30" head "gasket'' O-grooved to both). The assembly pared-down further w/ 6.7" titanium/magnesium rods(1.786 ratio) pistons that look something like you showed and a 7.72lb steel flywheel, for a 5 X 8.5" kevlar clutch pack and titanium pressure plate. For dual cylinder hyd. clutch assist at 2.5X the pressure. For a C7 manual custom ratio transaxle in a C6 Vette. CID DM500 ported symmetrical heads (John wouldn't give me port volume, he hates it, says cross section is 4"sq. It flows 482cfm @ .800 lift w/2.5" int. valve, and room to unshroud. That's 520cid and 1050hp at 8250rpm, with some trickery from the ZZ572/720 crate mech. roller cam specs, Jesel 1.9, and a custom, mech. VVT mounted to a dual row timing set, for 20* of duration change, phased with the turbos. There's so much more, but NA power greater than your 1.6L wiz banger, and on E90/methanol inj. 2500hp capable w/ < 8lbs psi. per cyl. bank. No intercoolers and direct plumbing to and from fender mounted turbos to 2X50mm twin TBs w/y-pipes, canbon X-ram to opposing heads. The exhaust are Tri-Y for the 1-5-2-6-4-8-3-7 firing order. Lovely Garrett GTX3584RS turbos. Instant power and no KERS to shut down the engine, when the little battery gets all charged up with nowhere to go.. (about $50,000 plus trans, etc.)
I'm an advocate for the Honda Civic Type R engine
Maybe fit the right Fiesta ST to the engine. Your car was the New 3 cylinder 1,5 Liter ST.
Class act with the ken block tribute
R.I.P. Ken Block
Thank you for the video. And the outro... RIP Ken😥