Building Character in a Burning Empire | with Paul VanderKlay & The Distributist
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- @PaulVanderKlay and @TheDistributist join me to talk about the fall of the west and finding / founding a hopeful eschatology.
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What a combo. Great stuff. BTW here is the Chobani advert:
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“Clintonian Democrats/Clintonian feminism means having your cake and eating it too while bridges fall down” - Boyce’s summary of the time is so spot on
Arguably Australia's best 20th Century PM was a Steam Train driver.
Oh my God, TheDistributist! ❤🥰😍 Thank you Benjamin for having the Godfather of the Dissident right as a guest again, you have the very best guests all the time.
A conversation with Pageau and Yarvin on the evolution of thought in the West from the great schism to now would be a legendary video. Just something to chew on.
Pageau would take ol Yarv to places he'd never been before.
If yarvin let's him talk and if pageau becomes more disagreeable
I'd pay real 'murican money to hear that, as long as someone could wrangle Yarvin's shitty rhetorical style.
I find Yarvin very interesting, but I'm sure he really has conversations with others.
Amen
I dipped my toe in Mastodon a few years ago: joined a "Solarpunk" group. I couldn't take the total lack of self-awareness for more than a couple days: people trying to believe that a brighter future would be built by queer/trans gardeners. Mind, this was before the summer of 2020 and the ridiculous segregated half-assed salsa gardens of Seattle. That was the nail in the coffin of my affectation of anarchism.
the brighter future, haha
There is a ministry within the salsa gardens too.
"Your authenticity begins when your options end" - PVK dropping wisdom. Reminds me of the Pulp song "common people". A rich person larping as a common person can never truly understand what it's like to be poor because "if you called your Dad, he could stop it all".
Paul is the kind of guy who barely raises his voice at you and you feel bad about what you did for a month
He and Jonathan Pageau always make me feel better about life. Men of God.
It's the beard.
That's the voice of Christ -- He wants to be with you in your shame and redeem it by uniting it with His own suffering on the Cross.
Paul is one of the Protestants whose perspective I feel I can trust as a trad Cath.
Barley boy
@@colly7963 corrected, appreciate the correction Colly
I’m so grateful I was raised in the church. Even though the atheists got their hooks in me in high school, the damage they did was relatively superficial, and church still felt like home. I feel for the people whose parents were themselves atheists.
I just turned 65, and I remember Ronald Reagan (who I didn’t vote for, and sat out the 1980 and 1984 presidential elections).
Few acknowledge that California was the first state to pass no fault divorce in 1970, which was signed into law by then governor Ronald Reagan. I don’t need to bring up what that’s done to traditional families and marriages.
I find this point very interesting because this was something also done in a lot of communist countries as a way of liberalizing marriage, libertarians and the like always try to paint the dynamic of “true liberalism” vs “collectivism”, but don’t ever seem to consider all the everyday societal notions that they share with leftists.
"your authenticity begins where your options end" - that is powerful
Benjamin always puts together the calmverzations I wish for
1:49:56 The future is going to belong to the people who can tell a realistic story about hope.
So Catholics
These two corners of the internet meeting is just fantastic curation on your part Benjamin. Hope it continues!
I love the Auron MacIntyre and Distributist era of PVK ConverZations
Talk about an exceedingly obscure reference I'm totally down with.
Looking forward to this one, no idea who the Distributist is, but Paul talks philosophy from a religious perspective in a very distinct early 2000s kinda middle class home personal-computer-in-the-living-room-christian cozy style with a CD rack in the background and big headphones on :)
I recommend more strongly that you follow The Distributist than I would any other creator online.
Excellent interview! It's always good to see guests who are _not_ afraid to bring traditional religion, and the lessons it can teach us, to the table.
I appreciate this calmversation, I've been comparing the discipline of religion vs. the American "you do you" mantra.. it seems inevitable (in retrospect 😂) that we'd reach this impasse. I'm old now, so I'm here wishing and praying for you young people. Seeing so many serious young men discussing the future gives me hope.
Gosh that segment of the cat hopping around the tall grass strewn with blackberries and some leafless deciduous trees with a woodline of firs way in the background could be absolutely anywhere in western Washington. 😅
The Distributist is refreshingly self aware
Paul is such a kind man. Thank you for this conversation, Sir.
The protest does have to end.. great point
Distributism better understood as Localism. Read the encyclical Rerum Novarum, it's pretty much foundational.
Yup. ‘Bout time someone noticed…👏👏
It’s amazing how the orange kitty, who was a little kitty on Benjamin’s shoulder, is now a full-sized kitty. Ya know?
The great leveler to optionality and agency is pain-health-loss-death. The decline toward the grave makes us look upward and beyond ourselves.
If we give up "optionality," but the option still exists, we never gave it up.
As Vanderklay states, "Authenticity begins when the options end." The options cannot simply be unchosen.
Yay, I have time this afternoon to catch up on the premiere! This looks to be an interesting calmversation. Boyceversations are like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get...
Benjamin has done it again! Bringing some of my favourites together in a way I never knew I wanted.
The value of a promise is only as reliable as the person who made it and the authority and agency of the person to deliver on that promise. I would definitely agree that a promise kept is hope realized. People need to find hope in making and keeping their own promises and be an example for others to follow. We also need to emphasize our expectations for those in authority to keep their promises with the understanding that their retaining their position of authority relies on them doing so. And when they don't, we individually and collectively remove our support of their authority. Hopeless people will be the co-authors of their own demise and that alone is a reason to adjust our attitudes. Thank you Benjamin for facilitating this very interesting discussion.
"Any promise kept is a basis for hope, but we live in an age where all promises made previously have fallen away."
cuts to my core. the bit about belief brings clarity to my struggle with faith in God and man. thinking on that for a second, i still feel vindicated in my reserved posture as i only see things around us getting worse, but i better recognize and understand my ache for closeness. thank you for that.
Nothing like a Calvinist to cheer you up.
Getting Paul to use a swear word is a great achievement. Congratz! :)
Thanks! 😃
Cheered out loud when I got to that part 😂
Lol
What a great talk - I'll have to check out more of VanderKlay.
He's great! I've had him on a few times, if you want to look through my catalogue-or head right to the source @PaulVanderKlay
“Assuming the yoghurt commercial is correct..”…😂😂
we are really moving forward boys. noice chat.
Really excited for this one! Love how Ben keeps bringing together interesting sets of guests!
My God, that was refreshing. Thumbs up.
Wonderful gems to be found here
Thanks for doing this. Love seeing you folks having this conversation. It should happen regularly.
Pastor Paul said cluster fuck. On the Internet.
The WEF/dragon bits…😂😂👏👏
How'd I miss this more than a year ago?! Watching anyways.
I love his honesty about how it feels to be a “catholic protestant”. The current secular order takes the place as the new “papists” - to borrow from the polemical discourse of classic protestantism
Protestantism is responsible for the mess
Excellent conversation. I think the conversation surrounding principalities and powers in reference to technological products the problem of our time. More on this.
I am a bit concerned about JBP’s ARC , he has invited Australia’s old pollies to the event when they are so past their prime. Not that I like many of the younger elite either. Such a huge project. He would be better off going to church with his wife.
My advice to Dave, finding common ground with stupid is to become stupid.
Amen
I need an 'I'll be damned' moment. A modern incarnation of Jesus would replenish religion instantaneously.
Would it though? There are miracle claims are the time and people dismiss them. Check out the Eucharistic Miracle that happened in Connecticut just a few days ago (and Eucharistic Miracles and Marian Apparitions in general)
Nah. You just need to catch up on the reading…
Do either Jordan Peterson or the Pope for that matter understand the difference between Catholic social justice and secular social justice?
My favorite part was when Dave let’s slip that he’s a black hearted reactionary, really goes well with his giant honey-baked ham sized head.
Neil Postman has made a the point about technology determining where we are heading 1:29:12 : Postman wrote how it was Morse and not his contemporary Darwin who would change the way we would live (Disappearance of Childhood p.68).
Sadly, I will miss this calmversation, but will do my best to drop in for some "corrective measures" to those who would disrupt the chat 😼I leave my BenHeads to be self-governed by my most trusted 🐕's and🐈's ❤
At the risk of expressing dissatisfactions in the commentscape, ¿"BenHeads"‽
C'est non.
You guys are definitely right that community is a hell of a lot more difficult in the real than it is in the abstract… that’s usually why it only functions in desperate circumstances Grounded by a common ideology or precarious survival situation. Usually Requires kinship or merging families for long-term sustainability, because nobody is gonna tolerate a Non-contributor without a very good reason… like tolerating a loser brother-in-law Who receives money from your wife, because you love your wife.
Also I think it’s wrong to say that humanity would’ve disappeared if we didn’t stop heroin… or don’t stop tech; you can’t stop it, there will always be somebody in their basement inventing and selling on the black market, or programs like DARPA Creating cyborgs or mutant chimera either for profit or just because they can; but also the only humans to die off would be by natural selection.. those who take heroin for headaches, and let their offspring die because they’re high. Or they get shot trying to steal food or money for heroin. Opium bars were definitely bad for Chinese society, but we still have a Hell of a lot of Chinese people alive today. I mean, I don’t want everybody in society having their own personal nuke or anything, but I don’t see how you can stop technological progress? How would you do it?
@Marina E I am known by most as The Kitty. I have been moderator prev. On Unsafe Space and moderator here and on Matt Christiansen currently. I am not paid now nor was I paid previously and retired from family business about 9 years ago. Oh, I am a boy kitty 🐈. The head bonk is my standard greeting, so join us in chat and will provide you with a personal head bonk ❤
@@miroirs-jumeaux … BenHeads was a term I coined about 4 or so years ago
We do very little moderation here. NJK is kind enough to promote links to my guest’s work and provide catnip for the chat.
Your cats are lovely!! 🤗
Oooooo! You have Paul on! That’s cool
I'm here for the PVK grace of God clusterfuck.
It’s getting to be quite a famous moment in The Discourse!
"Orthodoxy the new hot chick on the ecclesiastical block." Lmao. Perhaps an unfortunate metaphor. Not as bad as when my transgender sibling told me that I wouldn't "know integrity if it gang-raped me" because I wouldn't intercede with my Dad to give him $5,000 for another nose job. I don't think integrity would involve itself with a gang-rape. Not sure that any Church should be properly described as "sexy" or a "hot chick" either. Though maybe PVK will say something about "the bride of Christ."
Just means that young disaffected men are newly learning about it, and are joining it in surprising numbers
One of the problems with Christianity is that it’s not sexy. It’s flabby and grey. Christianity needs to exit the passions of the people again. Men used to really believe in god like the pilgrims or the crusaders. Men like Meister Eckhart or St Francis really believed and wanted to know God. Now most Christian are merely effeminate moralists who believe virtue comes from merely following a set of rules. They don’t have the fire in the stomach.
Excite*
Still doesn't top the time Pageau said if it's anything from the Bible America is the whore. God that was so funny
Not to disparage Eastern Orthodoxy as I don’t know too much about it but for a decent amount of “trad zoomers”, orthodoxy has been the next step after larping with Catholicism.
I have long really appreciated the Distributist through various iterations and what he said about Tinder not being designed to start long-term families was true of course...
the problem IS CAPITALISM.
Everything is designed with PROFIT over PROCESS.
NO MAN CAN SERVE TWO MASTERS.
I was hoping to hear a bit more against Capitalism for someone who called himself the 'Distributist'.
This was extremely interesting to me.
“now you have orthodoxy…”
orthodoxy predates your heresy by 1500 years.
Going to have to catch the VOD, :(
What a strange time!
>0:00 that ubiquitous asmr-ish "close" mic sound
tingles in places
Beardmaxxing.
😂
Great calmversation!
❤
Thanks fellas
This conversation jumped the shark when you started shitting on JPB's new project. And I am not a blind JPB fanboy BTW but I think he is on the right track at this moment. See his latest talk with Michael Yon.
Voicing skepticism is a far cry from “shitting on”
That said, I failed at getting us to drill down on that topic
I believe that we are starting to see little silver linings emerging between the faithful protestants and catholics. I've seen alot more talks about a single "church" in the last decade
Who breeds wins. The rest is overwhelmingly lost to the past. Spend your blip of time wisely.
UA-cam limitations impede me from love-reacting to this video
1:36:16 the washing machine is a liberating machine. Laundry still sucks today. I've heard so many women from Reese Witherspoon to minimum wage working women still complain about it. How many of you guys do your own laundry or (gasp) the kids laundry?
We Pagans have very deep relationships
with all things that are in our physical environment
unlike Monotheists who want to be sheltered from the world,
since they believe what Gnostics and Buddhists believe,
they believe all things in the physical world are corrupt and not worth honoring.
We Pagans are the opposite in every way,
we believe the world is holy and always in harmony.
The act of veneration brings forth bonds in the physical world.
Without honor there can be no society,
there would be no religion.
What people value shapes what they think and do.
We Pagan invoke Goddesses and Gods in specific areas for protection,
to make plants grow, and for many other reasons.
We know the Goddesses and Gods are always with us,
within all things.
We have no fear of "climate change"
because changes in the world are caused by Deities.
Even the scientists know this,
they venerate our Goddess Nature.
They call a forest "Nature" because they know
that she is there.
They know that the Goddess Nature is always present,
but their Gnostic biases make them have a love/hate relationship
with Mother Nature.
And Mother Earth is important to a scientist,
but she is seen as something vague and abstract,
a sort of phantom. Scientists collect theories
to validate their religion of uncertainty.
Scientists are followers of Pyrrhonism,
which is named after Pyrrho of Elis,
a Greek philosopher in the 4th century BCE
who was credited by the later Pyrrhonists
with forming the first comprehensive school of skeptical thought.
There can be no true Christian Revival or any Monotheist Revival
because they do not trust the world or each other.
It could only come by brute force and scare tactics
because they thrive on terror, since they believe the world is a bad place.
They truly believe that this world is evil and that's why they are miserable,
that's why they become atheists and don't have a strong sense of a higher purpose.
They are scared of everyone that lives differently than them
just like scientists.
Greco-Roman traditions have stayed the same for thousands of years.
There is no technology that can do what we do.
Just because the world may look different,
doesn't mean it is different.
The world is always going to be the same.
People are tribal.
Nick Land x Pageau, a Boyce production when?
Does Land do podcasts?
Land does Podcasts
Okay then let me work on that
Paul saying cluster fuck ... lol
Is that all your land? Your cat's are beautiful!
Amen
Would NEVER let YOU speak, or feel, for me
Do you fellas think that use of the pill for period management rather than preventing pregnancy is permissible? I use it so I don’t end up on morphine and tramadol during my periods (on the other hand people getting to the bottom of what the problem is would be more useful, but no one will)
Well, having the pill as a bandaid certainly is an inhibitor to getting to the root of the problem. I know that observation is not a solution...
Don’t use birth control
@@chriscoke2505 I would like another way to manage debilitating period pain to be in place before I toss the psychoactive carcinogens
You don't need to go as far back as the Ottoman's. Singapore is a multiethnic society that is politically stable. Political parties are broken down by race and ethnicity, and there's broad social values based on tolerance of differences within a general Confucian framework based on respect for the authority of responsible government.
Wait I'm an accountant maybe the girl boss model only works for a minority but it's probably about twenty percent of the population. Every stat you can site would show woman making more are more likely to be married and have children.
Is the the captain of the Kings Landing city guard?
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Jay Enns - The auto-moderation you refer is some odd thing with UA-cam that I have not seen on any other channels I have moderated. Upon watching this podcast, some 21 hours after premiere, I have been able to "approve"
.................those chats that were auto-flagged. They are almost never offensive to anyone in any way, so am approving them as I watch now
Cro - YES... TOS & TNG. Was a time when I would have reversed that order, in terms of my preference... but not so any longer. PS> Those 62 Purr Credits are non transferrable nor tax deductable!
Zentz - ❤head bonk
Kupupupu - No worries, I have approved the 🦜of evil chats
Paul VanderKlay - Thank you for not only participating in calmversation, but with those in chat. Always like to see guests in chat and only saddened by my inability to have given you a personal🐈head bonk
Mr. Scalpel - Felinus Assassinous has noted your treasonous MASHING of the 👎button. I have here fore to hence sought the reaping of Kitty terror upon thou the likes of which you have never known! 😾
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Troll With A Purpose - "cringe is a first step to shaming, not a bad thing necessarily" The Kitty's choice for chat of the day 🐈⬛head bonk
1:41:27 transhumanism=human weakness abstracted and systemized. "Wherever you go there you are".
Elites want to be brains in jars betting quatloos on the gladiatorial games of drill thralls - Star Trek ... I don't find them worth admiration ;-(
Why don't you ever have Polytheists on?
We live very differently than Monotheists, does that upset you?
Why would absence of interest signal emotional turmoil?
I notice that you want a certain kind of society,
one that you wouldn't be welcome in.
You do enjoy freedom.
Why do you think this month is called March?
It's named after the God Mars.
Do you ever wonder why the days of the week
are named after Deities?
Paganism is a part of everything in your life.
You just don't pay attention to it.
Paganism is the pillar of our civilization.
No. It’s just boring.
@@TomiDeLuna paganism is only for for Halloween.
PVK and Nina Power would be good.
Wow, good idea.
My problem is not Christ, or for that matter Krishna, nay Buddha...but, the professional, managerial class, which unfortunately includes Priests, Pastors, Imams, and Rabbis etc. The whole thing seems a racket...the Resurrection is easy, the institutional Church...not so much.
I'm a third generation trade unionist, believe me, I know a racket when I see it! protect your work, otherwise?
GO HUNGRY...
Join St Anthony in the desert?
No, the corporate man is not an authentic man. There, saved everyone the trouble.
🧔♂️🧔♂️🧔♂️
Mr. Benjamin will commonly reward those who make note of the trifectabeard!
1:39:17 kek moment
Cat Stevens converted to Islam from…. Eastern Orthodoxy
Lol
😱
GET ON @JAYDYER
GET ON @JAYDYER
GET ON @JAYDYER
Honestly....
I don’t know how to read this. Please send approximate emoji.
Omega point 🤮🤮🤮🤮
Mfw shazam repeatedly let me down trying to find the really good intro song: 🤬😵
"Community is always about limitation"
Deep
and "Authenticity is about the loss of options"
Can’t go back to Constantinople
What?! Did he do a line before coming on - I'm getting bored with this distributist ramble... I'll probably miss something good but can't stay... (This is the problem with drug usage.)
Sasasasas Pa
1:52:10
Probably because there are contradictions in your thinking? Or -- classic Catholic -- guilt, feeling unworthy.
Oh dear! Put away your childish toys! Peace to such nonsense!
If you want to get rid of the contradictions and sort your mind out, the true from the false, once and for all, read and study a course in miracles, the book that Jesus gifted to the world for this, the era of Harvest....
The workbook lessons consists of daily lessons that occupy your mind every waking moment of the day -- and into your sleep. It is a lot of lifting. But when you remove the barriers that exist in your own perception, reality shows itself. In this sense, you don't need to do anything, you merely get out of your own way
ACIM is for the select few who want to accept intellectually and emotionally the lessons of Christ. The Christian church and the teachings of Christ are not always the same. The church in many ways is like a security blanket. Much of it is contradictory, and this is merely ignored. If you think God punished his only son _because he was good_ you are in deep troubles!
Remember what Jesus spoke in secret to the three disciples. Peace to you.
americans specifically, but westerners in general, are so bamboozled by themselves that they watch what new atheism and protestantism is doing. brother, those are both dead. the future depends on the life of the Orthodox Church and the latin catholic laity reaction to it.
Ban social impact bonds cryptocurrency an esg
People feel they can change certain identities (gender, sexuality) but not others (religion) due to the plausibility structures available to them. The world looks a certain way and some changes are “realistic“ while others are “contrived” or cringe.
Some good points, but reveals a basic failure to understand the actual way the world works. Too bad.
distributed the new word for blockchain it's the new circular euphemismsame old game