Why Woke Won't Work | with James Lindsay & Wokal Distance
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- James Lindsay of @newdiscourses and Wokal Distance return to dish on the way Wokeness eats itself... and everything in its path!
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The fact that Wokal can explain woke as clearly as he does at 1:01:04 is literally why he rose to fame.
"The existence of unclear cases does not turn poles into spectrums. The fact that there are some marginal cases does not mean that there are no paradigm cases. The fact that there are unclear cases does not mean that there are no clear cases."
Exactly. In other words, the problem is pattern recognition gone bad.
These guys are heroes for actually researching, reading and studying the tenuous literature of Woke and its origins
Knowing where to start and actually having to read the source material must be soul destroying. I would love a flow chart of the influences and philosophies and how the infiltrated western culture.
@@cadams1607 Absolutely soul destroying! The Woke at this point, are at the pinical of the Marxist Type evolution! Doesn't Evolution generally mean better? Better for who exactly?!
Woke another term to shut down the Left. A meaningless term to cancel dissent by progressives.
@@cadams1607 That's why James is so angry because he's reading the Marxist Playbook and most people aren't heeding his warnings.
They're brilliant!
This calmversation just shows that the normies have no idea how deep the woke rabbit hole goes. 🐇
@@caseyjohnson5933 Okay. What exactly does that mean? What I meant is that most normies don’t recognize woke’s relationship to cultural Marxism and its illiberal tendencies. It is pointing in the direction of totalitarianism.
@@caseyjohnson5933STOP BEING OBTUSE
@@deenzmartin6695Haha. The comment we replied to was deleted.
It shows that 99% of people don't know shit from shinola what postmodernism is, what it does, its rekation to woke, what woke is, where it comes from, what language is and how its used by the radical left to obscure the truth, how they're trying to eviscate the values ideals and institutions which have sustained Western civilization since rhe Axial Age 2500 years ago.
Or they have a Consequentialist view,
Meaning they are 'for sale' to the goodies they get.
Zero ontological principle in their warped reasoning.
Debasing the moral universe their own children & the whole next generation will have to live in.
The people who became postmodern academics were those who, as children, extracted the most delight from torturing their siblings by putting their hands an inch from their face "I'm not touching yooooouuuu."
Who are the most popular modern postmodern academics? Lyndsey always talks about the ones that are long dead
Lmo
@@brianmeen2158The average humanities professors are all post-modern relativists, it's standard.
Lindsay uses that exact metaphor about "mid level violence", a tactic that the radical left uses... They annoy and provoke people, in order to get an actually violent reaction... Then they have "proof" how their opponents are violent and marginalized people are hunted and society needs to change and bla bla...
@@brianmeen2158 Today no one, postmodernism is dead as a philosophical current, postmodern politics are still alive in the form of identitary politics between both progressives and conservatives. "Postmodernism" is a category created by intellectuals to split different events and currents of thought in the second half of XX century, and for ex. Foucault and Derridá rejected those categories like "postmodernism".
When a hammer and sickle are your only tools, everything looks like a tyranny.
I’m gonna use this.
@@realistic_delinquent Be my guest.
Carrot > Stick
@@GordieGii I am, too, this is excellent.
@@zxyatiywariii8 Can you use "when your only tools are a hammer and sickle, everything looks like a tyranny." I want to know which one plays better.
I don't always watch threesomes. But when I do, I prefer critical consciousness analysis.
Stay skeptical, my friends.
FUCK I almost ruined the 69 likes. My bad. Well deserved. You keep that 69 likes you beautiful bastard.
lindsey constantly impresses me. he is so damn smart
The worlds most eloquent mathematician.
He strikes me as a logician (mathematical background) and analytical philosopher
As a 55 year old Veteran. I absolutely enjoy your discussions with Wokal and Jame. Thank you.
Apart from being a veteran, are you also a Republican?
@@gulanhem9495Are you a bung hole?
@gulanhem9495 what does that have to do with anything? Problem is people make their identity the party they vote for.
@@johnkrstyen7351
I was just asking since he revealed one of his alleged identities. Why is him being a veteran more relevant than his political stance?
@@gulanhem9495 fair enough and point taken.
Probably my favorite reoccurring trio in all of youtube talk land
Right. Wokal Distance is the smartest of the NRX crowd and a fitting sparring partner for James. Curtis Yarvin would just take everyone off on one tangent after another.
Like nu age Marx , Englels and Lenin , but backward..
Oh wait.. we don't want to reproduce that sort of thing do we
Have been following James for 3 years now...I think I'm just beginning to understand the rabbit hole of wokeness/postmodernism/gnoticism/marxism etc. Much appreciation for these discussions Benjamin, James, and Wokal!
I feel like I'm getting a post graduate degree listening to him. At first I probably only understood a third of it but it's all coming together now.
I feel smarter.
Indeed.
@@morgantaylor517 yeah... I follow James since the beginning (Grievences Studies)
Could barely follow for the first year or two.
Had to stop and google constantly... and also rewatch all the time.
Nowadays I know exactly what he's talking about.
Reading books he recommends helped a lot.
But it is definitely post grad level stuff.
Even after listening to Janes on post modernism I’m still puzzled as to the end goal of the ideology - they plan to disrupt systems but then what? I can’t fit the life of me understand how they plan to build anything if they don’t believe in proof or objectivity
Dr Lindsay has been instrumental in directing the movement against the Woke. Keep it up James, and don’t let the dolts on both sides dissuade you. I think you were instrumental in keeping people from giving the left what they want, with your “do not give them drag Floyd” advise. We need you to keep it up buddy!
Will he take credit for the harm caused by this astroturffed moral panic?
@@DJWESG1
No he won’t because there is no moral panic. He is exposing real things that are attempting to bring down the west. It’s not his fault you are too blind to see what’s happening!
Staff infection (or staph infection) is a medical pun. Antibiotic resistant staphylococcus is endemic in medical professionals. (especially hospitals) Their immune systems handle the bacteria, but they can pass it on to people who have weakened (or naive) immune systems, where it becomes a problem.
I can’t compliment James’ intellect without making salacious and unladylike parallels to one’s best sexual experience. Please just know that my mind after listening to him is so…. incredibly… satisfied. The man just has a way with all the words (lights cigarette). But in all seriousness, listening to his podcasts and interviews have helped me explain these concepts to friends and colleagues in a way that is concise and logical. I greatly appreciate the immense task of explaining this to the masses.
Lady calm your quim.
I know, right? He’s an intellectual hunk!
Brain Quim. A New Discourses self improvement App.
@@treesurgeon2441Quim! I haven't heard anyone use that term since 1876.
* explaining this to the messes.
FTFY
Thank you Benjamin for arranging this discussion.
“I’d like to thank my stylist.”
~ Wokal, I hope.
David Foster Wallace. But better.
Anyone else craving a strawberry jolly rancher slurpee?
Cecil! Been a while, my Music Man. Hope to see you in chat today 🐈head bonk
What's a strawberry?
@@jeremyponcy7311 ... it is a delicacy in Guam. This is a long cylindrical shaped fruit that grows only in ONE very humid region found in the south eastern cost of Guam. It got it's name, due to the many creatures that feast on its sweet nectar inside. These are a favorite of Spider Monkeys and small forest animals who have opposable thumbs. They are able to bite the ends off and then turn the fruit upwards and draw out the red berry flavored nectar from inside. They simply discard the "straw" that is left behind, so the forest floor is littered with them for the very limited time they are in season.
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There have been sightings of these small creatures waiting several weeks, beside the "Berricus Tubulous Yummi" plant, native only a very small area in Guam 😸
Lol 🤣🤣🤣
🤣🤣🤣👍 I definitely remember that broadcast.
Wokal’s ending repartee is brilliantly succinct, nailing Aristotle and weaving it 3 times into the conclusion. Unforgettable!
Very Schaeffer.
Unfortunately Aristotle was closely aligned with science starting in the early middle ages. Plato’s esoteric writings were neglected and we see the results.
Nice to see this colab. James Lindsay is a heavyweight and the champ in his devision.
I see Benjamin, James and Wokal, I hit the thumbs up button 5 times. 👍
Imagine the horror of having an even-numbered OCD.
Wokal! I work in an elementary school library and that Aristotle quote is going to be displayed and explained fully to the students this year. School starts for me in a week and for the students on September 7th, my 77th birthday! Benjamin, thank you for this interview, and James, thank you for the vital info you share with us! If this nation can be saved it will in no small part be because of the three of you.....
I wish someone would leak the SAT scores of Butler, Crenshaw, Kendi and such people.
In his book, Kendi admitted to being a poor student.
I would love to see that too. I hope someone jumps on that soon👍 Matt Taibbi, and Shellenberger should jump on that next!
Yes! And the LSAT scores of a few folks too. Especially on the SCOTUS and the prosecutors that the Left and Soros likes so well. Are they all from the bottom third of their class?
Don't you know the current thing is math itself is racist, and hence standardized tests also? I guess 2+2 equals whatever your skin tone is
Butler seems interesting to some extent but Kendi and Crenshaw do not impress me at all in terms of intellect or charisma. Kendi is truly a lightweight whereas id at least say that Crenshaw is slightly above average in intellect but still isn’t that sharp . Baffling how these people are well known or popular in academia
whew! i made it!
Señor Boyce, rock on.
Dr Linds', rock on.
Vocal Wokal, ROCK ON.
sincere thanks for the intellect, discussion, and concern. these hearts are true! ♡♡♡
This was uniquely clarifying to what is going on with destructive forces of Marxism, Queer Theory, modernism and post-modernism. Thank you, Benjamin for mediating this conversation.
Self control is a fruit of the Spirit
James, I too have been much more frustrated than usual. I’m just so saddened by it all.
You can only control yourself. You can’t control what others do. You can say what you think and hope something got to them and that’s about it.
I recommend starting a garden. It helps. You’re outside, you can make your own food (you’ll never look at store tomatoes the same ever again), and you’ll be just that less dependent on the supply chain.
That plus raising kids, cooking for my family, going to a cool supportive church, and having cool neighbors white pills me.
We’ll need these local networks as things get weirder and harder. Being on the internet too much isn’t very useful or healthy, though it is good to be informed. Don’t let it black pill you too much.
Be like Noah. Build your ark. There’s lots of work to be done.
Yeah the war seems to be over for the most part. Once you completely lose academia this it’s only a downward slide from there.
Great conversation. As a society, having adopted this ideology, we are doomed. There is no turning back I see.
Do you think society has adopted this? Clearly the intelligentsia are using it to bludgeon us with but The People instinctively recoil from it. They might not be able to explain WHY as eloquently as these guys but it's diametrically opposed to common sense at the end of the day.
my favourite trio, back again. keep them coming.
The biggest problem concerning the 'failure' of woke is that it has a fallback position if primary goals are not met, similar to Marxism in general: a general breakdown of society, it's institutions and wastage of lives and constructive effort is considered to be almost as good.
This might even be considered to be preferable by some as it sets the stage for a broader and deeper societal change further down the line. (Neo)Marxism has been supremely patient so far, what's a couple more decades in the grand scheme of things?
Yeah, the latent accelerationism to the whole thing makes me nervous too.
@@MoriMemento117 It seems the guys on this video realise this too. The title of 'why woke won't work' wasn't really supported at all and the theme was largely about how we haven't seen the depth and breadth of it yet. James hinted that he is more black-pilled than usual but I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing, his optimism falls flat with me sometimes and I think he just uses it to give regular folks a ray of hope.
In the end, the main goal of socialists, Marxists, Progressives, or whatever you want to call them, is power. There are people on the Right who also want power, and they typically achieve it using and manipulating the system, generating wealth and moving up the hierarchy. Generally, if a person can take advantage of the existing system, they want to keep it and us it. Those, that do not have the attributes to win in the current system want to destroy it.
It's it a coincidence that all the young Leftists are the ugliest freaks you have ever seen. They want to destroy society and rework it so that their obesity, and mental illnesses become not only acceptable, but admired and though they are not producing anything useful for society, they want society to pay them a good wage.
It's a complete misunderstanding of marx if you actually think neomarxists are just laying patient , waiting in limbo ready to create a utopia at any given moment..
'Capitalism creates its own crave diggers'
We don't have to wait for anything, you are creating it yourself.
I love all three of you guys ! I thank you all for your existence ... I am always looking for the three of you together . I'm so happy to see this ...
Watching this after exposing myself to a clip of Destiny on Adam and Sitch's channel was such a relief of frustration. It warms my heart to know that oases (plural form?) of intelligence and wisdom are out there to find.
What made you frustrated??
Oases is correct! 🏆
@@henrytep8884watching Destiny often (but not always) makes me frustrated. 🤷♂️
Ben a while since The BeardTube featured this trio. Will be here with balls on 🐈
I think an actual old school academic Philosopher alla Stephen Hicks needs to come back on this channel to discuss Epistemology vs. Ontology, and what defines Materialism and its relationship to Science, and thus Empiricism. Compare/contrast also, Rationalism.
Yes!!!!!!
Stephen Hicks is a really interesting professor, and I like how he discusses omplicated concepts
This is fantastic. So grateful for the internet to have free access to these discussions. Comment for traction
Love these Three Badasse's, yes I do. I'm kinda where James is, so frustrated lately.
Hang in. Me too.
Dr James - brilliant, cohesive explanations.
YES!!!! Love this! Thank you Boyce! Brilliant.
This was superb. Thank you, gents. Great to see Wokal back in fine form.
The three musketeers! Shrewdly articulate and insightful as always. Thank you all ❤
Three musketeers, I like that. Wokal is the smartest of the NRX crowd and James the smartest of the classical liberal crowd. Benjamin is the perfect moderator and Devil’s Advocate.
This was brilliant
Thank you
Will need to watch again
Are we awake yet🕊
Thank you all. Such an illuminating discussion.
It would appear it comes down to Truth & Boundaries in dealing with the worst excesses of woke.
Excellent discussion, I always enjoy listening to James reframe and summarise his thinking.
His extemporaneous rap is captivating and I'm definitely going to have to save this and relisten.
P.S. - James Lindsay, I've heard much worse German pronunciation...
That was the BEST Lindsay (and Wokal) interview I think I've seen. And I've seen nearly all of them, across all their channels...
I love that this went quickly into an explanation about philosophers deconstructing the idea of universal experience after some chat about the universal experience of 'Would you like a knife?' - 'YES PLEASE!' - it reminded me of childhood holidays in woods with my brothers and the yearning for the fattest Swiss army knives.
James, you had me at ‘retards’!❤
I was painting my house today and this turned it into an educational time instead of just a chore.
Yes! It's about truth. I've been telling the gender crits this for some while. They are limited by their views that it is about women's rights, or protecting children, but above those, it's the truth.
the lie leads to the abuse
You are not listening hard enough then
Then they would have to admit babies shouldn’t be aborted, and that men and women are not equal
@steveb9713 men and women do have different strengths and weaknesses, but their brains are generally equal. So it depends what you are talking about when it comes to equality. Obviously due to the difference in speed and physical strength between the sexes, they need to be in different categories, but academically we can both excel on par with each other.
@@gewundadfeorh8690
If it's about intellectual and academic equality, why are boys and men performing more poorly and dropping out of high school and college at unprecedented numbers? It seems to me that the system has overcorrected and is now set-up to accommodate one of the sexes far more than the other....
I'm no MRA and I don't believe men are being oppressed and don't believe it's necessarily the result of third wave feminism, I think it's apathy for the demographic. It's rarely discussed in general and never brought up when activists speak about equality.
Despondent James is the James I identify with the most.
At (33:55), Wokal is saying something quite similar to what Buddhists call Sunyata: the fact that there is no inherent existence. However, Buddhist philosophers, unlike post modernists, also recognize that the notion of Sunyata itself is void of inherent existence. That's why the School of the middle way (Madyamika) does not reject categories. They adopt them as important 'conventional truths'. That's how Buddhism doesn't fall into nihilism. There is an important lesson to learn in this.
Turns out Wokal ain't a bad lookin lad.
he's got grit
I was thinking the same thing. The short hair, a better camera angle, dark, fitted shirt really suits him. His mind has always been attractive and his outsides are catching up.
@@barbarat6913 He outa be in Pictures.
Just a bunch of cute dudes talkin
@@texasred1894 That two Tex. You remind me of pendejo I knew in Chino...TEX!
Heidegger is misunderstood by post structuralusts. He 100% argued for a human nature and for 'the truth of being'. He saw flaws in both realism and idealism. He re-imagined the relationship beween self andcworld. He is NOT postmodern.
Yes Yes yes HEIDEGGER is our way out! the greatest philosopher since The Greeks - He showed us the way to save modernism and is far less dangerous than Nietzsche
They usually just dismiss him as a nazi in my experience
@@sameash3153 Haa the Typical Woke BS Smear!! Everyone is a Nazi when in actual FACT /Truth
They are MUCH MUCH WORSE they are Maoist /Stalinesque {70 + million slaughtered rarely mentioned} !!
That’s because his work is essential to connecting with our western roots !!!
@@sameash3153 😂😂😂😂😂
@@sameash3153 Cults Culting as usual?!
Always my absolutely favorite discussions - Ben, Wokel and James. It’s been a while but let’s do this!!!
THE BOYS BACK AT IT AGAIN! You love to see it.
James, you're the coolest 'sperg lord I know (and I know a lot). "I have a new knife". Plus the sword dancing. 🌻😂🌻
8:15 It's fantastic to hear Lindsay explain the basis of these philosophers so clearly, but it all sounds true. I can't hear what his argument AGAINST it is? And crucially, I can't understand what his alternative to finding truth is? 23:43 Lindsay: "That there is no human nature is a lie". How do you know it's a LIE? Doesn't that depend on what one means by "a human nature"? Isn't this the basis of Buddhism, of the Middle Way? Buddha said, all "things" are impermanent and have no self-identity. The goal is said to be passionlessness and then equanimity, nirvana.
This is a quote from Christopher I. Beckwiths "Greek Buddha":
"In sum, Pyrrho points out that because pragmata ‘(ethical) things,matters, questions’ are inherently undifferentiated by logically valid criteria, there is no valid difference between good and bad, just and unjust, and so on. Therefore, neither sense perceptions nor doxai ‘views, theories’ can either tell the truth or lie, as a consequence of which neither the absolute Truth nor an absolute Lie can “really” exist, nor is it possible to determine “in truth” whether any pragmata exist. Therefore, we should not expect our senses or our doxai ‘views, theories’ to be able to tell the “real truth” or a “real lie” about anything. Instead, we should have “no views” about pragmata, we should be uninclined toward any extreme with respect to pragmata, and we should be unwavering in our attitude about them, reciting about every single pragma the tetralemma formula, “It no more is than it is not, or it both is and is not, or it neither is nor is not”. This formula invalidates all dogmatic arguments. What is left after maintaining this “attitude” or path, says Timon, is first apatheia ‘passionlessness’, and then ataraxia ‘undisturbedness, peace’. According to Diogenes Laertius, Timon says suspending judgement “brings with it ataraxia ‘undisturbedness, calm’, like its shadow”. Although suspending judgement is a feature specifically of Late Pyrrhonism, essentially the same thing is already advocated by Pyrrho himself in the Aristocles passage, and by Timon in his Pytho, where he puts it as “determining nothing and withholding assent”."
I think 90% of what Lindsay says sounds so correct and he is clearly extremely learned and widely read, but when he begins to claim that things like capitalism is like the totally good impulse which will defeat the evil of Wokeism and all the other ills of society and human tendencies, it begins to sound too far-fetched and like he has been thinking too much and going in circles and not had enough breaks to give some creativity to his thinking. Capitalism is a way of organising part of the economy of a society, right? It shouldn't be turned into a religion as it often is, and it surely isn't a panacea for all things illiberal. Fascist societies can easily be capitalist.
There is a kind of magic happening when you guys get together n chop it up.
"Everytime you try and give a definition they pick at it"
This is the symbolism of 666, an excess of perfection. They use exceptions to break down the foundations we're built upon.
Wokal looking sharp in this one
Enlightening and amazing philosophical discussion! Thanks and please keep up 🙏
James - There’s an important lesson God taught me in a very difficult time. You have to try your best even if the outcome doesn’t go your way. Then God will see your labor and reward you for not demanding an outcome but just doing the hard work for yourself and in service of others.
Don’t get frustrated. You worked very hard to put the message out there. Expecting a certain outcome will only make you upset. Sometimes you have to let go and you will see the fruits of your labor. God is funny and will show you an outcome in a different way sometimes.
When I let go of the outcome I wanted and did the hard work because I wanted to do it for me and my loved ones, I was rewarded with the most bountiful reward I could ever imagine. And what’s cool is I don’t really get the imposter syndrome anymore. Like I’m not worried my reward is going to disappear. Maybe because I earned it, maybe because I worked so hard for it, maybe because I already let go of the outcome. I don’t know. But I feel much more at peace.
So don’t despair James, don’t get frustrated. Keep doing what you are doing and speaking the Truth and spreading what you have learned. God will reward you for trying your best at that and let go of the outcomes.
You can’t control others. You can only control yourself.
How did God teach you this? Sounds like you are trying to attribute life experience to some arbitrary external entity. I don't see how that is helpful.
@@markn866- I can’t explain to you why I know God is real without telling you a testimonial that would take 30 minutes through speech and just take up way too much text space.
I will say that when you open your mind and think beyond the material plane, you will see that there are other things at play.
I believe in multiple dimensions since I majored in physics and I do believe that there are beings that we cannot see. To be so arrogant to think that we are the only intelligent beings after knowing that there are multiple dimensions is laughable. What would a 3D being look to a 2D one? I don’t think it’s even possible that it could comprehend it let alone observe it. It doesn’t have the receptors and doesn’t even know how to create the tools to see it.
Just as insects can see uv light and we only discovered uv light in 1801, did uv not exist until we built the tools to detect it?
I posit to you that it is you that might be the close minded one because you insist on believing only what you and modern tech can observe. You are limited by your senses that are limited to 3D space and we have made no tools that can observe beyond multiple dimensions except for math which funnily enough one of the easiest 2nd semester level calcs you can do is take an integral of a 3D sphere to calculate the volume of a 4D sphere. So through math we know multiple dimensions exist because basic simple calculus can easily derive such a thing. And you can just keep going. You can even calculate the volume of a 100D sphere if you so desired. You just keep taking the integral and you get a number if you give a value for r.
I was an atheist for 20 years and came back to God recently. So I know how it is you think. I can’t unexperience what God has shown me. He’s saved my life literally and told me He did. You cannot understand how 🤯 and overwhelming that was for me.
So considering how much I’ve experienced, how I used to be an atheist and now full heartedly believe, maybe you should check your own biases before evangelizing your atheist beliefs to everyone.
@@markn866 . God does not necessarily mean an external entity. Some people feel they have a soul or spirit, beyond that of animated meat. The word "psyche" means the same as "soul". Human individuals (I would say obviously) have a somewhat shared psyche, even if the boundaries can't be strictly defined.
@@gg_rider I think shared psyche is wrong, it is more our ability to communicate, understand, and ultimately share ideas with each other. If that's what you are getting at then sure. I still see no reason to drag the God name into it.
@@markn866 Did you watch the video? Did you note the number of times God was mentioned? Did you see how this was helpful?
Benjamin ( the camera has been on for 30 minutes) Boyce! 😂
8:30 Another breakthrough. “The dialectic marries truth to a lie.” Brilliant insight.
What a superb discussion! Thank you for sharing it.
1:43:55 probably the exact right question, and answers given. The relationship discussed here btw Classical Liberalism and Libertarianism is an important one. I'm a Nick Gillespie fan, could be a good guest. I have some partial Libertarian leanings, however, it ultimately is not rly my politic (I'm primarily Center-Left Classical Liberal).
The public/private dichotomy that factors into this, is essential. To bring in Conservatism, I think it should hold sway to a greater extent in cities, not to a lesser extent, which is reversed today. Each of these 3 politics I mentioned overlap and exist appropriately within a normal Overton window, but Conservatism comes into play where we need to slightly break the rule, and impose limitations on ppl's behavior (to conserve, and insist upon certain norms). That's necessary to some extent, we must have norms, the private is not completely separate from the public, and some things we do regardless of private sphere, still affect everyone.
The idea is probably just for imposed normative restrictions to limit ppl as little as possible, depending on which issues you're talking abt, and which contexts. I mentioned cities, ppl in cities have less privacy, practically there is less separation btw their private and public behaviors, shared social norms being delineated and upheld becomes more important in this context.
jule. -- I think I completely agree with you (except with Nick Gillespie simply on account of his too much interrupting of his guests) ...
Wokal , looking hale and hearty. Hail, host, guests & chat.
Uh oh looks like JL needs another break from the Internet 😅
Exactly!
Anime has never been a problem for kids in Japan. Because in Japan people know that anime is fiction, and they know fiction is not reality.
Religion grounds language in history. Tradition is a system that has evolved a functional mapping of truth that doesn't need to be exact.
PUMPED. I'll trim my beard.
With regards to sex binary when trans activists say 'Why do you care?!" - in a sane society 'because it's not true' would be a perfectly acceptable answer.
Totally agree with Wokal about them wanting liberation from reality, and it's also rooted in a complete disregard for nature & its influence on us. That's why you hear things like 'I did not consent to this puberty' and 'maternal instinct was created by men to oppress women'. Both things that are evident in most mammals (esp primates) but they think they should be above or in control of these forces. Darwins theory of evolution was so contested because of the disdain for the idea that we are related to apes & other mammals. Same with blank slate progressives. They are happy to except 'nature' in all other animals but think Humans are not subject.
Most basic to Woke-ism is the unmitigated desire for power.
Martin Luther, a Catholic monk, and lover of God, posed the question, who forgives sins. This was at a time when questioning authority could easily get you burned at the stake. Luther was one person up against corrupt kings, princes,and the entire church hierarchy... a REAL game of thrones. The odds were against him but he held firm, and with great intellect and firm faith in the Bible kept fighting. Then came the Gutenberg printing press…and his writings could be read all over Europe, his writings changed the course of history in Europe, authority was questioned, not only in the Catholic Church but the power hierarchy of the kings. These changes were known as the Protestant Reformation. To Martin Luther, truth of God’s Words were the only thing that mattered. Freedom for the common man was in the air. I think we are at a similar fork in the road. Truth matters, freedom matters, freedom of speech matters. We can all do this together….everyone just has to be half as dedicated as Martin Luther was (and he didn’t get burned at the stake, whewww!). I think Dr. Peterson would call this a life adventure. ❤️✝️
1:10 James stated the woak's scam. Stated simply you dazzle people with brilliance or baffle them with bullshit. The Woak baffle people with bullshit and call it brilliance.
An extraordinarily important and useful conversation. It has brought focus and clarity to the issue of the annexation and manipulation of language to deliberately blur and slip-slide around concepts and fudge common understandings.
Love these convos
Thank you.
It’s always a good discussion when you get these 3 together
Saweeeet!☺
1:03:38 It absolutely blows my mind that an agnostic can come to this sort of religious insight. Keep on going James, you are not far from the kingdom.
Beards ahoy !!
Boyce of summer
Hedigger continues in Aristotle tradition makes our Being primary!!! Read more Heidegger!!
May be time for a vacation there, Jim. 😅
An outstanding discussion. This should serve as the outline of a desperately needed book. So many threads of understanding that James, Wokal, Benjamin and many others have been developing over the last 5 - 10 years are tied together here.
To whom should funding go to make this happen?
What grounds language is your capacity to gradually improve upon mental models and their repeated correspondence to symbol manipulation. You're basically just eliminating surprise or confusion, over and over, so you can focus attention on things that are increasingly difficult to communicate about. Language can be compared to mental scaffolding that is built over time in a relatively shared environment. That's why If you go to, e.g., Georgia as an anglophone, you'll have a hard time using language in order facilitate communication. Bodily expressions to direct attention may work. Coming from a literate culture, you might recognise typed script as writing, even if the local writing system is unfamiliar.
They're making sure it's grounded in confusion by flooding your field of perception with mystical nonsense, or "making sure confusion reigns". They're disrupting our ability to communicate, in order to waste effort. To thwart efforts to reject their nonsense within communities.
Glad to see the three of you back together
Well done gentlemen.
God is Nature
Not immutable Gaia
But the whole cosmos
Even us
Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed
So its not that we are not divine, its that we are not supernatural - we are not beyond the divine
@@Daodan1618 There is no behind the scenes - there is just the universe
Where's the wizard? Wokal nails it at 53:10, James crystalizes at 1:01:45. Ben, thanks for facilitating.
James please keep it up. I can fully understand why you feel irritated and demotivated, but we beg you not to stop doing what you are doing. You may not see the fruits of your labor but I strongly believe that the future will venerate you, even after we are all long gone. Perhaps that is not important to you but you are a warrior, you were born to do what you are doing! That being said, please take a break now and then and get away from it all as it is soul draining.
It is clear that whatever they promote is “forced” and they never allow life to just flow. You were spot on when you said their ideas are “fluid”. The audience determines their stance. I have spent much effort in looking back, and discovering what has been “in the way” of moving forward in my life without the false self that DOESN’T work for me in life. I have the Spirit of Christ living in me, and i learn new things every day, that never occurred to me before. I CHOSE to go back, in my own life, and discard the bad teachings that don’t agree with God’s Word. Control is when they decide WHAT IS RIGHT or GOOD. They are pure evil and are not giving any credence to differences in thinking. They make the rules. That is how they CONTROL THE ISSUE. We need to stand firm in our beliefs. When they try to move us, WE DON’T MOVE. They change the rules when we are winning. FIRST, they devalue your view, and then they tell you what is better, which THEY KNOW. They have been “WORKING ON ME” for a long time to (1) believe i am MAN in the Bible, AND (2) that i am Jesus. They have been coming after me to believe many different things…also, that i am the President. I get really angry sometimes because i have to FIGHT THEM EVERY DAY. Again, they CREATE the distinctions of everything being questioned.
Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil vs the Tree of Life. Debate between good and evil is still the wrong tree. Only through Jesus Christ who is the Tree of Life can set you free. Everything else is a weird Hegelian Dialectic that leads to death
James Lindsay is an American hero.
good discussion
I feel EXACTLY like James does right now! Completely pissed off at the people who KNOW BETTER and the people who don't know or choose to ignore it.
Regarding education being political, there's another confusion that also gets deployed: the fact that the decision to organize public education is political is taken to justify giving out political education and to corrupt what could be almost completely apolitical curricula.
By happenstance this day before I checked in here I read "The Psyche, Love, Sexual Expression & Creativity" by Jane Roberts/Seth this morning - a chapter in The Nature of the Psyche.
I noticed how tetchy I was due to the ongoing weaponisation of grievance as a means to power. Or the ingenuity of casting shifting narrative by which to escape fear of pain of loss - as the posit of control running within a cover story or masking 'justification'.
The use of the word (or imaged symbol) in human terms is masking or revealing. The speed and complexity of shifting between 'truth & lie' working the Self-evasion of a guilting usurpation rising from a mis-taken inheritance at cost (to awareness of) true Inherence.
As with the Prodigal, I see a shift of purpose for the development of the 'identity complex' derived from experience of Separation of Fall, to 'serving in my Father's House'.
But I note this willingness rises from the release of any personal claim to authority as 'Son' apart from or outside the living inherence of the Father.
That the Father re-cognises 'Son' is the gift of the Holy Spirit - or true discernment.
Not a weaponised insight by which to weave yet another cycle of addictive compulsion for getting in externalised projections of self-lack.
Lived experience is only worthwhile if it’s true. On top of it being true, it has to open itself to the lived experience of others which may contrast or dispute that experience.
Wokal lookin' fly as fuck these days! Keep up the good work man!
Primal and universal narcissism is behind the desire to get one's way. Boundaries, social limits and feedback transform this narcissism into a pro social version. Human nature IS expression of different versions of narcissism
I want to know if James is going to start colouring in the map of the world behind him.
Jeez James, you got me at the start. I thought you were looking down because you’re fed up and depressed and over it all (actually, maybe that’s me). Glad you were just checking your phone and hadn’t realised the cameras were rolling!!
He’s checking to see he if pluralized Weldvolk correctly.
I feel we really need an Auron MacIntyre or someone in this conversation to balance things out a bit.
With Lindsay's antipathy for rightists I wonder if he'd make an appearance for such a thing?
@@_BirdOfGoodOmen He wouldn't. He has us blocked.
@@TheDistributistAfter today I wouldn't be surprised if Wokal has you off his calmversation list too. 😮💨