A Brief* Overview of Right Wing Thought | with The Distributist
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42:09 "they love studies, they hate data" acute distinction
It's so impressive to me how Dave can still blow my mind multiple times in a video. He is humble, yet his conclusions are often so profound.
Hes the OG. The Godfather.
Good to see Dave on here
Of course Po would’ve already clocked Dave
When Distributist mentions the Paradox of Tolerance at 31:11 and how the bread tubers love to use it, he's referring to a propaganda comic used often by Leftists to justify their want to censor and pre-censor non leftist thought. It is actually a subtle transmutation of Popper's quote into the thesis of Herbert Marcuse's essay Repressive Tolerance.
It's propaganda because it deliberately cuts out the lengthy middle portion which clarifies conditions when it may be necessary to suppress, saying
"In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by use of their fists and pistols."
The goodreads quote of this also conspicuously uses an ellipsis in place of this middle portion.
I think this portion of the Paradox being left out is telling as the radical idealogues on the far left do in fact come much closer to meeting the conditions in this middle portion; denouncing all argument as deceptions of, say, white supremacy, the patriarchy, capitalist elites, etc. and will rise to the level of violence over rational argument.
Reframing Poppers quote to smuggle in Marcuse's idea that all ideas emerging from the right of himself should be suppressed and even pre-censored in publications, etc, so the idea can never manifest in the Reactionary's mind is a clever way to subvert a liberal idea and disseminate a fundamentally Marxist idea into popular use by ordinary people.
interesting
The notion that repressing a reactionary idea will prevent it from being manifested "in the reactionary's mind" doesn't sound like a "fundamentally Marxist idea." Marx argued that ideas are a consequence of the economic base of society. A society founded on chattel slavery, for example, is naturally going to see arguments that slavery is "natural," "humanitarian," etc. propounded to serve the interests of slaveowners. The way to prevent such ideas from being manifested in the mind is ultimately to abolish slavery as a mode of production. Hence why we can read pro-slavery writings today and react with amusement and disbelief at concepts like "drapetomania," and also why you don't see modern reactionaries forming groups arguing that slavery is economically superior to capitalism.
Liberals by contrast tend to exalt the power of "reason" (whether wielded by pen or sword) to eradicate "bad" ideas, the latter being portrayed as coming into being merely due to ignorance rather than due to the objective economic circumstances humans find themselves, including the division of societies into antagonistic classes. Religion is a good example of this: Marx and Engels saw it as the consequence of man's lack of control over his environment. By contrast, Enlightenment-era liberals like Voltaire and Volney tended to portray religion as the product of centuries of charlatans and tyrants duping the people. This doesn't mean Marxists don't think religion can serve the interests of frauds and ruling classes, but they don't think atheist propaganda, by itself, will do away with religion.
@@IsmailofeRegime The problem is the Marx had zero experience with the things he complained about. Ism is defined as just an idea. It’s a mini religion - ideology ,a strict adherence to authority dogma or doctrine. Ism is not freedom of thought , freedom of opinion. Logic , reason , science or Objectivity . Ism is a symbol replacing intelligent dialogue .Marks inverted the Bible ,the United States Constitution and he’s playing the game of backwards using the dialectic . It’s what a child does. Marx did not want to work and criticized people who did ,but never really worked himself Therefore he’s not qualified to weigh in on labor or market economics at all. Tell
Me . What’s the plan after the revolution ?Im curious . Or are you following someone who is tricking you with big words and secular dogma ?
@@lalaboards Whether you think ideology is a "mini religion" or not is irrelevant. Marx's argument is that ideologies, like religion, arise due to the material conditions men find themselves in. In a society divided into antagonistic classes, the ruling class seeks to disseminate its own ideology and portray its economic system as eternally valid, moral, etc.
To say "Marx did not want to work" is nonsense. Marx worked as a journalist who was forced into exile due to his revolutionary activities. After the International Workingmen's Association was established he quickly ended up its leading figure, having to help coordinate the activity of workers' organizations across Western Europe. He was also an author on multiple books. To say he "criticized people who" worked is utter nonsense and shows your ignorance of Marx's views.
And unlike utopians such as Robert Owen and Charles Fourier, Marx disdained to write up "plans" for how society "ought" to run. His purpose was to explain why capitalism is ultimately as temporary on this earth as slavery and feudalism were, and that communism will be the outcome of capitalist development. Any "plan" will be the task of the millions of workers to solve as they actually deal with the practical matters of the transition period between capitalist and communist society. To quote Marx, mankind "inevitably sets itself only such tasks as it is able to solve, since closer examination will always show that the problem itself arises only when the material conditions for its solution are already present or at least in the course of formation."
@@IsmailofeRegime Too bad it always fails. The only half success has been China and that's only because it allowed capitalism into its economy. We also know religion and rituals (thanks to archeology) pre date civilization and appears to have played a huge role in our evolution. It has nothing to do with the material conditions men find themselves in, but rather the start of reasoning as humans attempted to explain and understand the world around them beyond just an instinctive level. We are seeing it now begin in some Ape societies as they are evolving. That's why humans, as a majority, seem to always need something similar and will replace it with something else. Before you do the "it's never been really tried" part of the argument, I'll point to Vietnam where the final stage was reached twice and failed twice. It results in hunger and death not to mention the purging of everyone that thinks differently. I'm curious how many more millions of citizens of various countries must die from it being attempted before it can finally be deemed a failure?
This was a really great convo, Benjamin! Also very impressive to hear him, at the end of the interview, accurately and dispassionately assess his strengths vis-à-vis other creators. He shouldn't feel bad about being verbose. If you're saying something worth hearing, I'll listen. Soundbites grow dull.
He comes across as deeply humane and mature -- in other words, he's wise.
@@withfeathers280 Sometimes he comes off as wise, sometimes as arrogant, depends on the topic.
Verbosity is common amongst us Aspies, especially when discussing a favored issue. So is grandiosity (Flack mischaracterized as arrogance), depending on the topic.
Oh, and yes… I am indeed confidently diagnosing someone I’ve never met. But don’t worry, I’m not a doctor or anything.
More convo's like this, Mr. Boyce!
@Zed Dez … I watched a fair bit of The Distributist chat, after the video posted last evening. I saw a number of chats between you and LadyOfShalott. I can see that you missed a couple of times in Benjamin’s premiere I announced I am a boy kitty. Seems @WTF is also under the same misunderstanding and wanted to clear this up 😺
here for the algorithm
You can’t fool me.
You’re not a real pineapple.
@MegaDirk III …. We at the Mr. Benjamin hour and BenHeads in chat, thank you for your contributions to that end and look forward to continued interactions in the future. This was a wonerful CALMversation and will look forward to the next 😺
I still remember the first time someone told me, completely sincerely, that "we cannot tolerate the intolerant"
it was creepy because I'd known this guy for awhile, and I'm thinking back over our history like, have you ever thought about anything actually? are there people that just _don't think_ ?
Tyrants don't rise to power because they have power. They rise to power because sheep follow them.
Yes, it's probably the hardest pill I've had to swallow in my life. I spent years critiquing and blaming myself for inadequate arguments. The truth is a large portion of people can not follow arguments down to the core or meta principles and extrapolate the consequences.
Aside from the ideological fanatics, it's also an effective coping strategy. Just disregard uncomfortable truths because the person/idea is somehow intolerant. It's an useful way to never have to question your own beliefs.
A lot of people confuse Marcusa's Repressive Tolerance for Karl Popper's Paradox of Tolerance, which is ironic since Popper claimed Hegel, Marx and Plato were responsible for most authoritarian thought.
@Lazarus Correct - it boils down to 'and who is going to determine what is 'tolerant' and what isn't?'
“Force, he believed, was the last resort of incompetence; he had said so frequently enough since this operation had begun. Of course, he was absolutely right, though not in the way he meant. Only the incompetent wait until the last extremity to use force, and by then, it is usually too late to use anything, even prayer.”
― H. Beam Piper, Works of H. Beam Piper
Killer quote. 10/10
Another great show! I had not heard of "The Distributist", but I like his thinking and plan to look up his work. I listened to this on my phone last night, and a few relevant (IMHO) quotes that came to mind during it were:
Religion: "Whether or not you believe in God, you must believe this: when we as a species abandon our trust in a power greater than us, we abandon our sense of accountability. Faiths… all faiths… are admonitions that there is something we cannot understand, something to which we are accountable. With faith we are accountable to each other, to ourselves, and to a higher truth. Religion is flawed, but only because man is flawed. The church consists of a brotherhood of imperfect, simple souls wanting only to be a voice of compassion in a world spinning out of control.” ~Dan Brown
"Irrevocable commitment to any religion is not only intellectual suicide; it is positive unfaith because it closes the mind to any new vision of the world. Faith is, above all, openness - an act of trust in the unknown." ~Alan Watts
Identity politics: "Do you see yourself as a victim of the world, or do you see yourself as the world?" ~Alan Watts
"It's never what people do that makes us angry; it's what we tell ourselves about what they did." ~Marshall B. Rosenberg
"People who prefer to believe the worst of others will breed war and religious persecutions while the world lasts." --Dorothy L. Sayers
Covid: "As our own species is in the process of proving, one cannot have superior science and inferior morals. The combination is unstable and self-destroying." ~Arthur C. Clarke
The woke: "Those who are convinced they have a monopoly on The Truth always feel that they are only saving the world when they slaughter the heretics." ~Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.
Trans: "Every major horror of history was committed in the name of an altruistic motive. Has any act of selfishness ever equalled the carnage perpetrated by disciples of altruism." -Ayn Rand
"Beware of altruism. It is based on self-deception, the root of all evil." ~Robert A. Heinlein
Thanks if you made it this far. :)
Nice upgrade to my commonplace thanks man
Every single one of those quotes has, at least in part, the smell of sanctimonious falsehood to it. If you cannot see this, you are probably beyond help.
@@wrathofatlantis2316 Your attempt to sound superior by insulting me is noted. 🤭
"The bottom line is, insults only hurt when they come from someone I respect." ~Kresley Cole
@@wrathofatlantis2316drop a couple sick quotes bro
I've been following Dave distributist for awhile. So cool to see him on calmversations.
I absolutely loved this interview. I've been watching the backlog of Distributist's videos all week. Each one is a gem.
Dave was the John the Baptist to Auron MacIntyre. Auron is going to keep growing and growing, and we can thank Dave for preparing the way ideologically, even if he gets less recognition.
Yarvin has said this would need to happen. Hopefully we are getting close to a youngster that will lead the youth toward the correct direction.
Neither of them would be happy with this comparison LOL. Macentyre is the Phil Collins to Dave's Genesis.
@@mattyice852 Bit harsh
@@gingeralex4009 No disrespect intended. I like both of them.
Still producing great work
I was just thinking on the drive home today that many decisions currently left to disinterested experts would probably be better left to intelligent amateurs who are heavily invested in making good decisions. I think Dave is driving at a similar point, among others.
This guy is brilliant! Thanks so much for having him on and introducing his work and thought!
I need to take notes on this. Definitely will rewatch! Great conversation.
Best interview ever. Thank you Benjamin.
I miss the long essays. Streams tend to ping-pong around topics and digress. But I imagine they're easier to do than all the scripting and research of an essay vid.
I miss the stream of consciousness thoughts outside while grilling .
The right has a place for classical Marxists, this is oddly true and telling of just how far we have progresses.
There's an odd faction of tankies who are trying to build bridges to MAGA at the moment. Let's see how that turns out, but it seems incompatible.
Hells to the yes!!! Now we are talking!
Fantastic analysis. Boyce, thank you for not shying away from these conceptual discussions. Your proving for definitions is essential.
Would you consider a part II with him?
Always good to hear a Dave The Distributist conversation. Thank you Benjamin.
What a treat. Thanks Benjamin
Been with both you guys for a while now. Never thought I would see this :)
Benjamin.... I think you might be interviewing a genius.
As so few can. 😌
this guy is new to me, super smart and insightful, awkward and weird, could be a genius...have to listen to his channel...
He’s brilliant.
@@tiltingturtle BIAS ALERT!
Dave is smart but you need to go the source which is Curtis Yarvin. Curtis is an actual genius and The Godfather of the dissident right.
This is so refreshing from the usual transsexual/de-transitioning fare.
Agree, especially detrans people. Just the same old, same old from them, and I have neither interest nor sympathy.
Benjamin is doing the Lord's work with those detrans talks.
@@Ferdinand314 …. Benjamin does have a relatively high number of detrans persons in clamversation. However, there are not many that have such conversations and particularly when the guest is so free to take that conversation in whatever direction they like. While today's is a welcome diversion, we cannot underestimate how critical those detrans stories are and especially since they are ABSOLUTELY detested by the trans activist and UA-cam as a platform.
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I have no doubt that Mr. Benjamin is ever watchful of how his content is perceived by those who would wish those conversations never take place. Benjamin walks a pretty fine line, so as to get what needs to be known out there for all to hear, but in a way that makes no compromises nor takes any prisoners in the process.
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We are going to hear a massive number of those detrans stories in the years to come, as this insane drive to indoctrinate all possible young adults, and indeed children, into the fast track world of medical transition. This is truly the most terrifying social contagion, to use a term from yesterdays video title, that has ever been seen in my lifetime and would argue rivals that of a certain someone who rose to great power 100 years ago.
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These are our children who are not only led down a forever life altering path of confusion, but pushed VERY heavily into the “care” of a so-called “fender affirming doctor”, who awaits with a scalpel and a lifelong prescription of often times horrendous psychological side effects, ongoing and extensive financial burden and in roughly 35%+ of the time, become too much for that person to bear.
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So I get that detrans stories are somewhat common on this channel. If even ONE life is spared the destruction that medical transition will cause in a very high percentage of cases… it is all worth it!
@@NinjaKittyBonks - True, and since so few have conversations such as these, overall the number is low, the audience is small, so we need more.
@@karriewick …. 👍 I have asked Mr. Benjamin to reach out and ask that Chloe Cole (sp?) who testified before Congress, I believe. She was featured on both Viva Frei and B Tatum content yesterday.
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I hope that Mr. Benjamin not only make contact, but I think she would like the opportunity to share her story, so that others may not suffer the same horrendous fate as she has. Absolutely heartbreaking and is 1000% avoidable, via therapy or at least some psychological intervention. Instead, the trans activists fast tracked her down the road of medical transition, sold her parents on the lie that “self removal” was imminent, should she not perform transition and ultimately get a double-mastectomy! Now, the parents most certainly have culpability in this, as they were no doubt highly pressured by "gender affirming" butchers... they none the less failed to seek alternative approach to deal with their daughters OBVIOUS psychological and emotional needs. They allowed these criminals to all but destroy their daughters life in ways that can only be imagined by the rest of us. She is reminded of the absolute horror every time she looks in the mirror and sees scars where her breasts once existed.
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We are going to hear thousands of these stories in the next 5~10 years and 100% of the current trans activists butchers will have simply moved on to others, point the finger at someone else or vanish into the ether and hide from the horrors they have perpetuated upon the lives of countless of our most vulnerable youth.
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This point in time will be recounted for hundreds of years as the most insidious and vile abuse of power to abuse children the world will have ever known. There is going to be a reckoning one day and it is going to be FUGLY 🤬
Thank you …. You make me want to read and think more ….. will watch again… brain overload 😵💫♥️
Welcome to the Dark Side Ben! 🙃
As I only found the DR at Millenniyule 2020 (and was delighted to come across interesting intellectuals), it was great for me to hear the overview of what it is and how it came about.
Ben, if you feel like a bit more history, Whovian Woes on Liam Porter's channel is a really interesting film about Woes' 'journey'. Okay, you might say, well, Dave is an intellectual but Woes is a nationalist (shudder). But it's thanks to Woes that dozens of great intellectuals are brought together at Xmas-time to share their brains with us.
Great conversation!
There's kind of a hierarchy with youtubers where the more entertaining you are the more subscribers you get, so you get very little information but high entertainment from channels with a million subs, but also the reverse from small channels like the Distributist. If you want the reactionary nrx catholic view on politics then he's your man.
This was so fantastic. Thank you BB. Subscribed to The Distributist’s podcast.
Bringing the best out of Dave, excellent 'interview' conversation.
With regards to the Popper thing the leftists have really bastardised what he was saying. His point is that you should not tolerate the intolerant. But whathe defined as intolerant wasn't any specific ideology but anyone who is willing to engage in violence instead of discussion.
He did misinterpret Popper, which rather surprised me from someone who reads original sources. He seems to have taken what he said from a popular meme.
@@Ferdinand314 I took him as arguing against the meme rather than Popper's own words. Thought I'd just comment as a point of clarification.
@@Ferdinand314 The meme is what people actually believe.
Leftists conflate speech with violence, so in their perverse world view they aren't misinterpreting Popper.
@@johncohen4996 Popper also said its impossible to speak in a way that won't be misunderstood by someone.
"you have a source for that?"
"Yes: Alex Kaschuta, Bronze Age Pervert, Menscius Moldbug, Sam Hyde and Jordan Peterson"
Best timeline
So nice to hear these ideas laid out so directly.
"Our society is going to need a lot of forgiveness to recover for the mistakes we've been making over the last twenty years."
We're also going to need forgiveness for the retribution for those mistakes
I'm 80 minutes into this. This guy is fascinating!
Never meet your heroes.
Fascinating conversation
Remind Dave to mention this interview in his community posts on his channel.
Younger men like you give me hope for the future
Thanks for complimenting the Distributors on the excellence of his channel. I feel the same. It's a crime against humanity that he doesn't have more followers.
It's a natural law, the more entertaining/less informative a channel is the more subscribers it has. You can see it on breadtube as well. hasan is at the top, no content and only entertainment. channels like SDL or Rose Wrist have barely 10k subs. And people like Destiny are in a sort of middle ground where he's sometimes reasonable and intelligent, but mostly entertainment.
I'm so enjoying listening to this conversation , and it's definitely a second listen conversation , thank you for this .
Much appreciated.
Dave is a unique and valuable thinker, but NRx, despite its undeniable strengths in critiquing democracy, is plagued by a fatal flaw. And that flaw is the freedom of expression. If NRx clamps down on forms of expression that potentially threaten the stability of society, then society will stagnate, decay, and ultimately be conquered by other civilizations that had the courage to explore dangerous ideas and grow. But if NRx allows people space to explore ideas, then it becomes functionally indistinguishable from liberalism, and opens up the very same door that it accuses liberalism of leaving open for the Woke. I believe that this paradox will be left unsolved, and it will ultimately kill the dissident right. Thus do I declare myself the first post-NRx liberal.
Yes but the focus on clamping down is only on things seen as part of the decline and degeneration.
55:32 The reason for religion is to orient the individual to benefit the group. Otherwise, we are atomized and nihilistic. It creates the core values of the group to allow for cooperation.
Nice to see D’s face - now I understand his voice. great conversation as always Benjamin
I caught the tail end of Dave’s converasation lasr night. Seems he does all of his content off camera?
@@NinjaKittyBonks he used to. But he's been showing his face for like the last two years or more.
youre awesome benjamin
I'm just a vector!
Fascinating conversation. Thank you both🌷
Excellent discussion. I have not heard of him before, which is such a shame! Gained a lot of information & even more things to think about..
REVIVALISTS sure know how to party!!! 🥰😉🥰
what a great calmversation! pretty full and rich live chat (Ninja Kitty, merci), inspiring, promising...
cooler heads prevail, as we shall. strike when the iron is hot, but remember that a watched pot never boils...
my family and i are also joining the congregation on Sunday. i realized just a few days ago that all that Sunday School as a kid never left me. and it wasn't the kind of heavily scriptured stuff -- it was the consistent and constant feeling of joy, togetherness (Agape love, if you will), peace of mind, inner smile (warm fuzzies, not cold pricklies teehee)... it was through that embracing environmemt that the Teachings came through, to rest in my core, for it has been REVIVED.
it never abandoned me. always working it's intuitive magic, even as i refrained from religious services on the regular. it built my moral compass. it has guided me, silent but steady, through some pretty harrowing times. it has brought me here to Now, in a life far from perfect, but i have never felt as close to Parallel Me as i do at this moment.
like breadcrumbs turned to tiny pebbles, these Others i have found along the way, also blind to their wandering, for we never left the path afterall. rejoined and REVIVED. i see the glow of that eternal wisdom in whose image we were created.
our world is not literal. it is figurative, magical, and FULL.
[i would end with our mantra, but alas we have none! for we need none! ... maybe a secret handshake, just for kicks 😉🙃😉]
@Shelby Pawn … You have such a nice way with words, merci rightbackacha ❤
A juggernaut of an episode Benjamin
1:13:00- E.M. Forster anticipated this kind of collapse many decades ago in “The Machine Stops”
Great conversation. Will be deep diving on his video essays
20:35 YES! ty Dave! You hit it right on the head and this the most glaring flaw in most Dissident Right thinkers thought. Nevermind the American founding fathers explicitly stated this as prerequisite for the republic they founded.
One of my favorite podcast episodes
Livestreams are for multitasking. Interviews>essays>livestreams.
Meow..
@SinEyed 2020 …. The meowgorithm approves this message 👍
Great calmversation BB!
Fascinating
Great talk. Ironically enlightening.
I'm only 20 minutes in and this is amazing. An excellent guest.
Looking forward to this, Mr. Benjamin. I rather like to hear an unapologetic conservative in calmversation. Don't worry, I will keep an eye on the Ultra-MAGA extremists, if they pop up in the chat 😼
74 million Ultramags voted. :: )) UltraMag Magnesium relaxes muscles.
Think Alex Jones sells a supplement that can help you embrace the MAGA dream.
Testosterone supplements work the same. ; P
Turn me in!
@@Andre_Louis_Moreau … Sure 😺I would just ask that next time you are in chat, please remind me to apply the Ban-hammer, contact FB, Twatter, IG, TT, George Soros and the FBI to have you removed from digital existence. I will be sure to contacr all of your friends, family and employer to make sure you not only are abandoned by all, but ask you to wear a shirt that says… “I got cancelled by The Kitty”.
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All of this can be arranged, so just let me know when it is most convenient and will set the wheels in motion 😺
successful sports leaders are also invested in the well-being of all concerned, including their opponents, interestingly
Nice 👍
it could be useful to point out liberalisms flaws, in order to find ways to fix them. Or make them better.
Catholicism has something that isn't common these days.
It's an institution that exists outside of " markets" and exists outside of "politics" and exists outside of " "popular culture". Plus it's always been around. So it's utterly stable. It has traditions that are small and enacted physically, the cracker, the hand motions, the sitting, kneeling, and standing, the phrases spoken. It has widespread common phrases for each sin committed, hail marys,
It has statuettes, trinkets, and rosemary's, crosses,
My point is, it has its reality, in reality.
This guest is Yarvin 2.0 or yarvin for dummies. With less umms from yarvin.
As always, mad respect for you Ben, this guest, and also yarvin as well. Fascinating discussions. It makes you at least think about stuff.
"it could be useful to point out liberalisms flaws, in order to find ways to fix them. Or make them better. "
The issue is that those flaw are not fixable, they are fundamental structural weaknesses in the bed-rock of Liberalism, to "Fix" them would undo Liberalism at its core.
There is no fixing up liberalism to face reality when one of its basic ideas is that everyone is equal, be that physically, mentally, emotionally, or any other category you care to name, when that is not true, never was true, and never will be true. If you do "fix" this, so that laws and political power accounts for the fact that equality is a myth, then Liberalism just withers up and dies.
This is just one of the flaws at the base of the structure of Liberalism, there are others equally unfixable. Liberalism must be rejected whole-sale, with something different replacing it, and maybe a few things can be salvaged, like equality before the law.
Catholicism apparently has its own brand of 'social justice', which doesn't sound very promising.
Irony is a form of hubris.
Great conversation! Keep on this new thread, Benjamin. I see you as covering dissident voices now, heretics if you will.
Also, if you are looking for reflections on the great reset, check out Riley waggaman's excellent sub Edward Slavsquat. He's a young American living in Russia doing some incredible investigative reporting. And he's a talented, often hilarious writer. He'd be an awesome guest on your show.
Very interesting, need to rewatch for sure.
Let's just be humans and see what truth that generates. Yes! Humanism must reign. Placing the human at the centre is what is needed.
I disagree. Secular humanism is literally the religion of the left.
@@synthesizerneil who said anything about secular.
Humanism itself is a Christian rooted idea. The whole sanctity of life thing.
@@themanontheinside That's not true at all. I suggest researching the etymology and history of humanism
@@synthesizerneil I would refer you to the likes of Dante and the Renaisance and not the 20thC, but yes, you are correct as well. My sentiment was angled more toward the former rather than the latter, but you make a fair point
Thank you Benjamin!
1:59:40 possessing meaning that's not beholden to power.
Genius!
35:00 ish. Popper's paradox of tolerance is often misrepresented, as it is again here. What makes an open society is that everyone can have their opinions and all ideas can be raised and discussed and their merits and foibles can be debated with society as a whole honing its philosophy rationally. Allowing for the open discussion of all ideas is tolerance. The intolerant however, in his formulation, are those who ... well let me let Popper state it himself:
"In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols."
Of course this statement is somewhat gameable as people can argue over who started being intolerant first but one philosophy has taken the game to an all new level by claiming that debate and even having ideas in conflict to theirs is the same thing as using fists or pistols - that is they have denounced argument but have portrayed themselves as still tolerant by accepting a rainbow of fringey contrafactual opinions for which they have already authored volumes of (impenetrable) "arguments".
Aw, I wish I didn’t miss the premier for this one. Gotta watch later.
24:00 See C S Lewis' The Abolition of Man
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That Hideous Strength
Jordan Peterson gives a blueprint for making a satisfying life for yourself, one with integrity and responsibility. Without a strong, healthy investment in your culture, you have no purpose to guide a political life beyond pursuit of power for powers sake. So clean your room and make your bed.
8:40 the ratchet is liberalism.
Calmversations is brilliant
"I feel I should just jump into one of these contentious breadtube panels"
DO it. I need it.
Carl Popper detests Hegel btw.
You learn you lesson when you bite off more than you can chew….. but the lesson is lost when the mouth that does the biting and the mouth that does the chewing aren’t the same mouth.
Nice!
I don't think this guy is talking about liberalism is he? When I listen to Americans I really am not sure what the meaning of their descriptors are.
From my perspective there is no liberal conservative dichotomy.
The Tories in the UK are not conservative, they are right of centre liberals who believe in leading by example.
The Labour party is (was) a left of centre social democratic liberal party.
Conservatism is liberalism with the handbrake on, it's not a defendable political philosophy, more a clinging to tradition and establishment for security.
Margaret Thatcher was a right of centre liberal. Tony Blaire was a Post Marxist, not a Social Democrat.
Two countries divided by a common language as a famous Irishman once said.
Here in Australia the right of centre Liberal party is in permanent coalition with the Nationalist conservative party.
I think we've all forgotten what these words mean.
Glad it's not just me. Honestly can't work out exactly what Americans mean by "Liberal"
“Liberal” is usually used to refer to a Lefty position, though what I tend to mean by “liberal” is the “classical liberalism” philosophy of John Locke, a political philosophy based in natural law and rights, individualism, and freedom which casts the role of the government as prioritizing the protecting of human rights rather than the socio-economic supporting of its people.
I was about to write a long reply, but couldn't be bothered, Burke and also Scruton can explain a defendable conservative ideology for you, and liberalism, marxism, progressivism are really just different clothes fro the same thing, if you doubt it , study the actual policies that they (currently) all line up behind and against. There may be superficial differences but they all do the same thing.
Here in the US, we aquired religious refugees fleeing authoritarianism, instead criminals.
I'm an atheist, but studied a thought control tactics, which is a broad subject, but understanding authoritarian cult tactics is an understanding of culture.
What our cultures share with our Christian religious heritage is our masses holding a moral authority that supercedes the state. Hopefully enough of us are still willing to give any state authoritarianism the old Protestant middle finger?
Those are hopefully the breaks of religious conservativism. I'm routing for Christian conservatives to do their thing, and always ready with my middle finger for state authoritarianism.
Amazing conversation.
I've always known I could make the world a better place since I watched the end of Scrooged, with Bill Murray. I wonder how much of my morality as an Englishman comes from Hollywood films?
Coulda been longer
[regardless of whether or not it continues here in our presence, this was Part One...]
WWJD regarding the Ts: my take is that Jesus would go to the lepers and show compassion to them. He would _not_ say lepers should be integrated into normal society. There is a place for the margins and a place for the normal. Compassion that overrides that is not real compassion, it's weakness, a failure to stand up for what's right.
We can understand the hell the Ts are putting themselves in and ease their pain, but we cannot perpetuate the cycle.
Great guest and great interview
Love it when you two talk 🙂
Benjamin would you be open to reaching out to Morgoth's Review and seeing if he would have a conversation with you?
Lots of content there, where do I start?
@@BenjaminABoyce try any of his "Archetypes of the Left" or his "Hate Reading the Guardian" videos.
I'm not saying you will agree with everything he has to say, but by God he is well worth listening if you are even vaguely Right (which I was)
@@BenjaminABoyce I second this request. Morgoth is an insightful and witty thinker! A straight shooter, which is welcome in these subversive times. I really like his video “Nostalgia of Futures Past.”
@@BenjaminABoyce Morgoth can be pretty spicy. Very well with listening to but he's got an edge. Nice guy tho.
Quite interesting.
Deep, very deep.
Dave is the Godfather of the DR.
The "slow degradation of everything" seems to exist regardless of anything. So far, I'm unclear on his remedy.
The remedy would be re-Christianize the west or maybe Islamify the west so there is institutional and social pressure to maintain basic cultural order.
Also the elimination of democracy for the most part. But that’s happening on its own since democracy always results in power simply centralizing with a new class and we are well down that road
@@lolololololo97 "Islamize the west" No. You cannot copy and paste a religion that was created by and for a totally different people, time, and place.
Great talk.
Power is RIGHTS which by law can override others. Christianity is better wisdom as it is about RESPONSIBILITIES, which ensures liberty from others.
@@vivienneb6199 Well I am a good student of the Holy Bible and know the true religion, and would agree that is not the religion that has controlled people for over 1500 years.
I make Ytube videos 'Myths in so-called Christianity' that do expose false doctrine, so even though I am a believer I know we are all free to.make our own bed to lie in.
@@vivienneb6199 And has been said before why would a man act responsibly without the benefits of 'Christianity'.
My videos are there to find the truth, having been an Atheist in the past, I do not suffer fools gladly.
For a woman there is the long game, as I find since my childhood in the 'sixties' women have list so much respect and control in families.
As you say each to her own.
Let's face it men as fake women are ruining women's rights, and I assure they do not qualify as 'Christians'.
08:04 often they seem to not wish to give up the "easy pleasures" emerging from our age of over-abundance; especially: pr0n, "freedom" (aka "personal morals and ethics"), and addiction to internet and technology.
27:14 I live in London, I came back from work (by foot) at 11pm through the Notting Hill carnival; ngl, as an European migrant, I felt sooo unsafe while traversing the area...
Tremendous!!!!
Comment for traction.
made it show up in my feed. good work.
This video, especially the point made beginning at 22:27, is a valuable tool for finding the points where self-identified leftists that are perhaps more accurately classical liberals/ centrists disenfranchised by the more traditionalist social views of the modern right, may be willing to begin a dialogue with the right
Thank you for this. I would recommend Charles Haywood from Worthyhouse