For anyone who's ever worked on a car in their lives you know how completely insane a 10k mile oil change interval is. Toyota is basically convincing people to kill their engines. I'd never in my life go over 5k intervals.
Is Toyota now recommending complete blanket 10K oil services? I think when they first started recommending those they did it with an asterisk for how it’s driven. Short distance/ect would bring the interval down.
I agree 100%. If people would just look at the color of their oil and read a little bit about how it breaks down, there's no way anyone would go 10k miles, and especially not with two turbos heating it up and forcing air in there :).
There is NO automotive motor oil that is designed for 10K miles. If Toyota is blatantly stating in their automotive manual to change the oil at 10K miles, then Toyota has set themselves up for a ton of lawsuits over defective engine components based on their own stated manufacturered owners manual.
this is nothing new. my 2017 Tunra states a 10k oil change interval. been doing it every 10k since it was brand new and i have over 250k miles on it now, not a problem. Also, Mobil 1 ABSOLUTELY states 10k as a duration as completely normal. its not 1995, 5k and especially 3k is wasteful unless your in a heavy duty engine cycle life.
I'm right there with you, still have two Toyotas in the garage and wish they had the same quality in the new vehicles. I hope they mend their ways but from what I'm hearing it's not going to happen soon.
Indeed. The primary reason I have a 2023 Frontier in my driveway, got it used with 11 thousand miles, a Pro4X fully loaded….but more importantly, with a V6 naturally aspirated engine….and 39k before tax
@jeanclaude7018 I'm in the market for a minivan and/or pickup. Toyota was my top pick. But then I heard how they went full woke. They won't be getting my money.
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 the Sienna is ok. My uncle's 2023 Sienna is getting 29 MPG combined which is terrific for this segment. However it's a dog (poor 4 cyl feels taxed every time you want to pass someone) compared to the previous gen with the V6 but only 20-22 MPG combined.
No one bought that ridiculous BS cover story except the most ardent Toyo Fanboys and the media that is bought and paid for by the Toyota marketing empire.
@@hsuccopI agree! I also think most buyers are just not informed about all the things going on. They like, they buy, little to no research involved lol
I think most people buy them still because the other brands "have their issues". I see a lot of guys buying new or used Tundras simply because they just had a newer GM/Ford and had constant issues, though nothing of this magnitude IMO. If GM didn't have AFM issues they would be destroying everyone with sales now, even so, they still sell more trucks overall than any other brand.
@@LK-bz9sk I'll be on the lookout for these idiots who thought it was a good idea to put a turbo engine in a full size truck. They will need a ride home after their engines that were designed only to meet EPA requirements explode. I will also tow their blown up shiny new Tundras to the nearest dealer. Oh wait, there are no tow hooks on the new trucks. Another brilliant idea by the Toyota design team. 😎
Same with my 2019 except my AC just went out at 80k miles and I am not very happy about that! It will either be a 500 dollar fix or 2500 dollars. Fucking ludicrous prices to take it to the dealer
Yeah I was in the market for a Tundra but did lots of research last year/this year, and just couldn't pull the trigger. Quality is definitely not what it used to be IMO.
Who would run 10,000 miles between oil changes? Toyota got burned way back in 2001 when they recommended the same interval on the RX-300. Big lawsuit related to engine failure due to oil sludging. I change my oil every 3-5,000 miles and have never had a problem in 40-years. Most pro mechanics that I follow on YT recommend a similar strategy. Good channel. Glad you're keeping Toyota honest. They have really slipped in quality control.
I have a ‘12 that I bought new. Nowhere in the scheduled maintenance log book that came with the vehicle does it call for coolant or transmission fluid service. The log book goes out to 120K miles. Just unbelievable.
Agree 100%. I can't recall if it was all vehicles but at one point I saw in a manual that the transmission fluid was "lifetime fluid".....same idea there. It's all for the EPA
I’ve never followed that 10,000 mile oil change either. Always 5,000 on my 2016 tundra. One tech at Toyota told me that I didn’t need to do it every 5k and suggested I could go with every 10k. I was like “nope! not me just change the oil please” I want the new 2025 but I just cannot justify the price for one & the reliability of the engines at the moment. I’ll wait until prices get better and for them to fix the problem. Toyota needs to thoroughly investigate what’s up at the manufacturing center and fix the problem from the top down! They can afford it.
Yeah the 4.7L and 5.7L are shooting up in value over the past year....people can't buy them at a reasonable price anymore :). You got lucky. I've got 232k on mine now....
I've made many mistakes in my life but buying a new 2021 Tundra Platinum was not one of them. I hope to have the truck forever. I definitely don't follow any of Toyota's fluid (too long) drain intervals.
If anyone doesn't take or file lemon law on a Tundra are crazy. That truck has had major problems from day one. Looks like the Taco is following it's big brother on problems.
@@bobbbobb4663it’s one of their most reliable vehicles! Especially the hatchback. It’s built in Japan. I have one. Love it. I drive it more than my luxury car.
not only should you not go 10k between oil changes, but the first oil change should be much much sooner to remove any manufacturing debris. I recommend 1k, 5k, 10k, etc, every 5k.
Toyota needs to fire their entire executive team and board. Between failing quality and horrific inventory management that is costing them many millions in sales they are a disaster.
Yes and correct. This will cost Toyota billions. Sad day for Toyota, but they are not getting my money after this terrible and greedy decision on all their new cars and trucks. Toyota cheaper every model this year.
I don't think it's too long. Heavy equipment engines go much, much longer than that all the time. The big difference is the person operating these pickup trucks don't check the oil and the filtration is nothing like what's on commercial engines. Doing more frequent oil changes solves most of the problems that can arise from inadequate filtration and engines burning oil.
@@duggydo yeah, this isn’t a commercial engine. Plus, it takes 0W-20, not 15W-40. Totally different type of engines built to different specifications, hence different oil weights (and oil change intervals). BMW claimed long intervals years ago, yet there are plenty of cases showing sludge buildup that would have been avoided by earlier oil changes. Maybe this Toyota engine truly can be fine going so long, but I wouldn’t trust 10 oil changes per every 100,000 miles on a truck whose engine is a smaller displacement turbo engineered for thinner oil.
@@AutoEnthusiastJC my point was it’s totally feasible if you know what you’re doing and change it as needed. If you’re getting sludge, it’s not inherent to 0w-20 oil.
@@duggydo Well, Toyota owners aren’t going to magically know if it needs changed sooner. They will just go with 10,000 mile changes if that is what is recommended. Maybe Toyota is being conservative and it can go 15,000 miles between changes, so 10K was selected as recommended, but it still seems like a long time for this engine/oil. Guess time will tell if Toyota ever gets the engine sorted out and these trucks actually start making it to 200,000 miles on 20 oil changes before giving up.
@@AutoEnthusiastJC I do oil analysis on every oil change and have for several years. At 5000 the additives are always still adequate to keep going in every test I’ve done. Cheap oil probably wouldn’t be though. A better metric for oil change interval is hours, but the best is actually fuel burn without actually sampling the oil. I did a little of this type of analysis on fleet vehicles for a few years. I suspect most of the sludge and other engine oil related problems has to do with shady quick lube places using junk oil. Some of them know oil still has good additive life so they just blend in used oil with the new and use it on customer’s vehicles.
They couldn't include the 2024s on the initial recalls because all trucks on lots would be on a stop sale. Once 2025s start rolling out, 2024s will get recalled
GMC/Chevrolet had no problems issuing a stop sale for the Canyon/Colorado....this is poor excuse for the Tundra, which all of you loyalists will keep denying anyway....
Toyota trucks are now less reliable than Toyota cars, and it used to be a reason to get the trucks because they were absolutely bulletproof and more reliable than the cars.
I have a 3/23 manufacture date and blew my engine last weekend at 56k miles. They are covering it under powertrain. I've asked everyone from dealership to customer engagement why the recall hasn't been moved to include more tundras.
Yeah I think I just looking at it from the perspective that he'd never get anywhere near that value on trade-in or selling it private party...especially with 50k and on it's 3rd engine.
I canceled my reservation for a Lexus GX550 and got a 2024 Ridgeline TrailSport after Toyota recalled these V6 TT. I still love my 2006 Sequoia and will keep it. All these V6 and V4 TT are not the same anymore.
Didn't you predict this in a previous video? Toyota wanted to move the 2024 MY Tundras on dealership lots nationwide, so they excluded the 2024. Evil geniuses!
You haven't had to replace your intake manifold gaskets yet? Not that it's a big deal really, but about every 10th Gen 4.2L had that eventually, as far as I know. It's like the only downside of those trucks though, one of the last really solid Fords. ABS module going out was common, too, as I recall, but easy to get rebuilt.
Toyota knew. They needed to sell 2024’s while they still could. Lots were piling up with 2022 and 2023’s. Hybrid will eventually be included as well I believe.
I said this 6 months ago that the 24s were going to be affected, but I was laughed at on a forum. Well it looks like I was right all along. This has nothing to do with debris. I was told this by a person who works at a dealership, but it was kept on the down low.
Guys, this is a covid truck. I remember Mike sweers saying that they couldn't even be in the same room together to engineer this truck. He was bragging in one of his videos.
Saw this coming. The part was superceded. This means they have a new bearing parts. This also means ALL tundras with the original bearing parts will be affected. Sooooo since the part wasn't superceded until mod way through 2024s, they will be affected
my 2024 - went in for the 20K maintenance. I inquired with the dealer if they will do an oil analysis on it. They said Toyota doesn't want to know.... I guess I'm glad I leased...
Said this from the beginning, it’s a design issue as the older Lexus LS with the TT V6 had the same issues however they sold so few of them they are quietly taking care of customers. What’s crazy is people keep buying the Tundra
Bill, help me here pal, b/c I’ve got a ‘20 LS 500 F-Sport w/ 34k miles on it. Have had 0 problems to date. My brother has one too without issues. I’d like to know where you’re getting that info, b/c our Lexus dealership here in Tulsa has seen no issues w/ this TT V6 in the LS! Sincerely asking for my own good😂
@@bobbyb.1743I've only replaced one of those engines in an LS; customer ran over something in the highway and gouged the oil pan and all the oil leaked out while they were driving. They made it to the dealership -- red oil pressure light was lit up on the dash. Car would not move after they turned it off. They got a used engine out of a wrecked LS500 that had 8000 miles on it. No issues since the engine replacement, go figure.
@@LoneWolfSparty Thank you very much, reassuring, appreciate it. Bill had me concerned that I might need to offload this thing. I love the car & the engine “delivers” when you need it, though confess I miss the V8 that was in my ‘08 LS 460 before it was totaled. 🫤 Thanks so much Lone Wolf.
Lmao, my local Toyota dealership actually called me twice yesterday, two different guys, trying to buy my 2019 Tundra TRD PRO. Not once did they mention the new Tundra. They weren't trying to sell me a new Tundra at all, they simply wanted my 2019. I found this to be alarming and of course I declined their offers. I have no desire to part with my beloved 5.7 for the new POS they have now. Glad mine is paid for, has only 30K miles, and runs like a champ. For sure it's a keeper.
Keep preaching the good word, amigo! Toyota has a big, big problem on their hands if the 24's are also recalled. I, unfortunately, was denied compensation by Toyota because I didnt have the same recurring problem more than 3 times, even thoough I had over 10 documented problems with the truck, 2 of them recurring. I'll probably do a video outlining my experinece with Toyota corporate, but I'm just glad more and more people are getting the truth out there.
Shocker (not). The reason for not including hybrid is so stupid. Glad I got rid of my 23 TRD Pro when I did. Looking forward to when Toyota fixes these issues and regains some reputation they have lost. My 2023 showed a leak in the same spot as the 24 you mentioned.
What you said about ‘I don’t understand why people can’t see ahead’ is so true. It’s like people become entranced by this shiny looking new toy and can’t think rationally after that.
I will also say that it's good timing to now include the 2024's as the 2025's are coming out. As you know a stop sale would have been enforced for the 2024's so that's why they weren't included originally
@@TahoeRealm the more miles people put on any engine without ch aging the oil; the more likely sludge will build up. That’s just how it works. It doesn’t matter how it’s designed
Actually, 3000 miles was the standard interval for a long time. The 5000 interval for cars and trucks wasn't recommended until synthetic and blended oils became commonplace.
they also have issues. But Toyota says the Hybrid powertrain doesn't represent a safety risk if the gas engine goes out on the hwy because you can limp home or to the dealer on electric power.
Lol...had a friend whose dad just added oil on an old chevy station wagon, back in the 70s, then had a misfire at 90,000 miles and couldnt get the plugs out. Figured hed change the oil too!
Have a 2004 Toyota Tundra with 4.7 V8. Compared to new trucks, it’s kinda ghetto, but I love it. Wouldn’t trade it for nothing. 369,000 miles and still going strong. Doesn’t burn 1 oz of oil.
Thank you for exposing Toyota. I’ve been posting about my issues with my hybrid tundra and sequoia with the vibration issue. I feel like my vehicles are ticking time bombs. Every time before I drive them I always anticipate getting stranded on the freeway. I hate my Toyotas and really want to get rid of them.
@@TheCarGuyOnline the way Toyota corporate handled my issue definitely left a bad taste. They lost a loyal customer. Once I trade these vehicles in, knowing I’ll be extremely upside down, I won’t purchase another Toyota anytime in the near future.
whether you are religious or not I’ve got a story for you. January 2021 I was having the internal debate with myself whether I should get a 2021 tundra TRD pro or should I wait and get the 2022 TRD pro. As this debate was raging in my mind I literally heard a voice say to me by your truck today. As someone who is religious and believes in God I listened and I went and I ordered the 2021 model that I wanted. Flash forward to the issues today and I am so grateful I listen to that voice. I have almost almost 70,000 miles on my truck that’s been perfectly flawless never had one issue drives like a dream and I could not even imagine the horror show that I would be going through if I had not listen to that voice.
He is very aware of what is going on with the recalls and issues. Excellent person to watch on his Toyotas reviews of older Tacomas and Tundras. He knows they were built to last if they are well maintained with regular maintenance. .
I don’t know much, but to me it didn’t make any sense the debris issue. Why in the world the hybrids are not included? Same engine. The hybrid electric motor helps the engine a great deal and maybe their thinking is that they won’t fail much? Or anytime soon. Can you imagine those all hybrids engine failing later on in their life? I hope they recall them as well soon. I expect a major lawsuit. They didn’t included the 24, cause they needed to sell them. If you don’t believe this, then you, well….it is on you.
Yeah I think you are correct on both fronts. The hybrids not included because technically it's not a safety issue, they can get out of harms way if the engine fails. It also makes sense not to include some 2023s and all 2024s at the time of the initial recall in May because they didn't want to have to stop selling them. It'll be interesting to see how long they wait, if all 2024s are off the lot before recalls or how they handle it.
I bought my 2023 Tundra Limited used at 5012 miles, they changed the oil then, I signed a waiver to buy it with the fuel tube possible cracking after moving and hitting a brake line. That is finally being fixed this Friday. The engine recall was issued after I bought it. I have 9000+ miles on it, Knock on wood, no issues so far.
Too many vehicles developed and released during the shortages and ridiculous prices are pieces of junk. Speed and low cost were prioritized to an extreme
Yeah it seems manufacturers are pretty happy charging more/giving less and having record profits. I can't blame them on the profit side but....I can't really think of one that is making reliable long-term vehicles anymore.
Imagine driving a twin turbo engine and thinking 10k mile oil change interval is acceptable. The fact that people are STILL arguing for the 10k oil change is just mind blowing. I don't think I'd ever buy a used Toyota anymore without knowing the previous owner did 5k oil change intervals.
I can’t thank you enough for the continued coverage of the Tundra. You are saving many of us from making a huge purchase mistake. Where does a person go for a half ton that is reliable? F-150 2.7 or 5.0 maybe? Ford has their issues, but not as bad as Toyota’s recent failures. Would appreciate your thoughts.
my 2.7 has been flawless, it's a 2018 with 193K miles. There are a couple ones on the Mileage Impossible group on Facebook with over 500K. But if you tow often I'd say the 5.0 is the more capable engine. Mine is rated for only 7600 lbs while the 5.0 can do about 10K
Good video. Who could have predicted that pulling more power from a tiny, twin turbo, high strung motor would affect -long term- short term reliability. First year production is a gamble the 2nd and 3rd year should be more of a known quantity. I still have my first year, first gen tundra, and a first year 5th gen 4R and have had no motor issues but the motor in both had been in truck applications for a couple of years.
@@voo5000 Tundras are dying on the side of the road needing that itty-bitty high strung engine replaced (by a tech that receives half his normal rate for warranty work.) The recall has been expanded to REPLACE this POS tiny motor indicating it is a DESIGN issue, not a process issue. Some folks have needed multiple engine replacements, It was a gamble.
I have a 2024 Tundra TRD Pro with only 7k miles with a completely different issue. It’s not just an engine problem with these trucks. Truck has been in the dealership for >3 weeks for malfunctioning 4H4L system. They are estimating another 2 weeks for transfer case actuator parts/ assembly parts. Painful.
They cut corners on this engine. Either through manufacturing or using cheaper parts. I don't buy the machining debris story and I knew, knew that the '24s would be included eventually. I believe I even commented on one of your previous videos saying such. I hope to God that Toyota built the replacements correct this time.
I had the RMS issue on my 2022. Noticed it as I was installing my Cat shield at about 4000 miles. immediately took it to the dealership where the the "service advisor" told me that it was seepage | perfectly normal and wanted to charge me 150 bucks to have a tech look at it. In the end I didn't pay 150 bucks & the techs said it was assembly lube. After cleaning the built up oil off and monitoring for 1.5 years. The leak never came back. So I'm guessing it was assembly lube. Regardless....I sold the truck. Officially done with Toyota.
sorry for the long comment i own a 2024 tundra sr5 crewmax 4x4 i bought it with 2 miles on it and first issue was the harmonic balancer [aka the crank pully ]. it was bad the dealer only discovered it because i change my oil on a new vehicle early .as a former lube tech i don't believe in 10,000 mile oil changes i change the break in oil in 1,000 to 1,200 miles and the every 5,000 mile after that . the dealer replaced my harmonic balancer ,spring, crank bolt, and pulley under warranty i now have a little over 1,300 miles on my tundra and i can safely say i have not had any more issues so far. i believe tundra owners should change their oil early to solve certain issues that will arise
Why isn't there one video of a Tundra owner who did an oil analysis on his first oil change to verify that the metal debri is in the old oil? Why would Toyota only be able to make a "hypothesis" that the problem was metal debri?
TCCN just released a video where he did a break-in oil change on his 24 Tundra and then did an analysis of the oil and filter. He didn’t really find any abnormalities. Go check out the video.
@@dongill9186 This ^^ Though it's a 2024 and a hybrid too. The hybrids tend not to fail as often due to the hybrid motor taking a lot of the torque/low end power requirement off the engine, which IMO artificially extends the life of these engines even though they are wearing poorly internally.
Again, thank you for your videos. I find them super informative and helpful. At this point, I honestly do not think I would take a Tundra or Tacoma if Toyota have it to me free of charge. It seems that they have definitely moved away from what made them a great company. Durability, reliability, and customer service. Sad.
Bearing cap bracket design is my guess. I know Toyota has done it before on other engines but not ones that make so much torque. Seems like they're trying to shave as much metal off of these trucks as they can without actually making them more simple. In fact, they just keep getting more complex.
I bought a new 2024 Tundra hybrid Capstone no issues yet ,just turned 5000 miles , the only issues were the V-8 noise pumped into the cab I had that deleted the other thing is I didn't get two key fobs still waiting for that.i have a oil change scheduled in 3 weeks
Plain and simple to low viscosity 0w8 is too low for this kind of engine oil pressure and power. Mix this with towing in a desert or hilly terrain. Ouch.
The recall will include the start of 2025 too. Basically any non hybrid engine that was produced before they fired the people running the line machining the blocks. Hybrids aren't included in the recall because they're machined at a different facility.
We have a lot of toyota technicians coming to our dealership Bc they went from doing nothing but tires and oil on the older models to doing full motor swaps weekly😂
I have a 24 Tundra with 17K miles on it that the low engine oil light came on a few weeks back. Noticed the same oil residue on the rear seal and the Toyota tech confirmed the same. They also noticed it starting to throw a misfire code. Tech said they had a 24 in last month with the same issue and are waiting on a replacement engine to come in for it.
I know Ford does not extend warranties when they have a part fail. My wife's 2015 Ford Fusion had a cracked cylinder head at 22k miles and they fixed it under warranty and then said only good till the end of the 5 year 60k mile power train. Traded for a 2020 Toyota Camry SE and its been great not one problem yet and its 4 years old.
@@Mike-ht1ou Yes and if there is no metal shavings left in the block after machining its not going to fail. The early problem was a waste gate issue and was corrected fast! They started jumping all over Toyota then and it was nothing! Its about Toyota's reputation of being bullet proof. When something happens they jump all over it because it is rare that things go wrong, but they do go wrong and have in the past and every single time Toyota stepped up to the plate and made it bullet proof. Another thing is the mistakes being made are American worker screw ups! This kind of thing does not happen in Japanese factories. How much you bet when all is said and done they find workers that were screwing around on their cell phones instead of making sure all the machining debris was cleaned out properly before Assembly? This falls on Toyota though for not watching the quality control like they should have been doing. I bet you though once they correct this this engine ends up being one of the best of this generation before its all said and done:P
@@JasPlun it's been said over and over this is a design flaw. Toyota up-revved the connecting rods, that must tell you something. It's been well documented some past Toyota screw-ups (3VZ-E overheating/poor headgaskets, 2AZ-FE oil consumption, unintended acceleration, etc) were all design issues.
@@engineer_alv It is not a design flaw dude they have tons of videos proving there is metal shavings in the engines. Google it and see for yourself it is NOT a design flaw if it were a design flaw every single engine built would be failing and they are not failing at a 100% rate just like 1.8% or so.
Unfortunate that these issues are coming about...Toyota quality and durability reputation is taking some major hits lately. I understand the EPA mandates but from a risk perspective I would have offered both the 5.7 and the new 3.4TT engine to customers....at least they could revert back to a proven engine. Wonder if we will see the same challenges with the Ram inline 6 SST engine... Anyway great insight as always...appreciate you bringing these issues to the forefront.
Dont buy new. Period. Son in law got a rust free Arizona truck, 2001 chevy 2500 long bed extended cab, 8.1 allison trans for 6 grand...150,000 miles,not even broke in. Screw the mileage, its a runner!!
@@trumpet12345 Source? I'd love to do more videos on other brand issues that are "current". Seems like the GM and Ford issues have already been talked about a ton on UA-cam so I hadn't pushed hard on those videos.
If it really were loose engine debris, we'd probably see rod bearings go first. They are thin compared to the mains. But it's the mains that are going. Usually #1, and sometimes #4. Toyota re-engineered those bearings and in Jan of 2024 they were introduced. The old part number was replaced with a new part number in January of 2024. That's how we know those bearings were re-engineered. So I'm hoping my sources, and their interpretations, are correct. But with my luck, I'm not holding my breath. The recall was changed too. It went from: engines made from November 2021 - Feb 2023, to engines made from November 2021 - Jan 2024.
I have been driving Toyota car based products for 20 years with good reliably. But I have to admit the Toyota twin turbo V6 makes my Chrysler Concorde 2.7 liter V6 look like a champion.
Fuel gauges don’t work on 2022 to 2024 models. Lemon lawed my 2022. Now my 2024 fuel guage inop. Can’t tell how much gas in truck changed dashboard out. Didn’t work.
Have you tried reseting it. My 22 does this every now and then. Shut if off while still in drive and wait till the gages move. It's like 10-20 seconds.
I found a hack to reset the fuel gauge. Turn your truck off while in drive and wait for the gauges to all drop. Takes about 30 seconds. Shift back into park and restart the truck. Fuel gauge should correct itself.
We bought a 2024 Tundra in June. Just under $60,000. 4300 miles, so far. Zero problems. Gonna change the oil at 5,000 miles. Nice truck, very fast. Oh, and no recalls……yet.
Same here. I leased a 2024 Platinum in January of 2024 thinking the issues were solved. I changed the oil at 3k miles anyway and I’ll change it again at 5k miles to be proactive. Haven’t had any issues as yet but I only have about 4,200 miles on it so far. Wondering how all these problems will affect those of us who lease these trucks.
@@frizbe1314 well yeah I know that much, but that's one vehicle you don't hear much about (probably because they don't make a ton of them and because they're expensive AF)
Yikes, stand by your hybrids Toyo. Do you believe that this applies to anyone who simply has a 22-24 tundra registered in their name or does it have to be under warranty with the dealership?
For anyone who's ever worked on a car in their lives you know how completely insane a 10k mile oil change interval is. Toyota is basically convincing people to kill their engines. I'd never in my life go over 5k intervals.
Is Toyota now recommending complete blanket 10K oil services? I think when they first started recommending those they did it with an asterisk for how it’s driven. Short distance/ect would bring the interval down.
I agree 100%. If people would just look at the color of their oil and read a little bit about how it breaks down, there's no way anyone would go 10k miles, and especially not with two turbos heating it up and forcing air in there :).
I honestly try to never go over 3k miles between oil changes. Especially while city driving. 10 k is absurd.
There is NO automotive motor oil that is designed for 10K miles.
If Toyota is blatantly stating in their automotive manual to change the oil at 10K miles, then Toyota has set themselves up for a ton of lawsuits over defective engine components based on their own stated manufacturered owners manual.
this is nothing new. my 2017 Tunra states a 10k oil change interval. been doing it every 10k since it was brand new and i have over 250k miles on it now, not a problem. Also, Mobil 1 ABSOLUTELY states 10k as a duration as completely normal. its not 1995, 5k and especially 3k is wasteful unless your in a heavy duty engine cycle life.
Being a Toyota buyer for the last 20 years i've seen the decrease in quality on their cars, it's disappointing.
I'm right there with you, still have two Toyotas in the garage and wish they had the same quality in the new vehicles. I hope they mend their ways but from what I'm hearing it's not going to happen soon.
Seen the decrease of their sanity too.
Indeed. The primary reason I have a 2023 Frontier in my driveway, got it used with 11 thousand miles, a Pro4X fully loaded….but more importantly, with a V6 naturally aspirated engine….and 39k before tax
@jeanclaude7018 I'm in the market for a minivan and/or pickup. Toyota was my top pick. But then I heard how they went full woke. They won't be getting my money.
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 the Sienna is ok. My uncle's 2023 Sienna is getting 29 MPG combined which is terrific for this segment.
However it's a dog (poor 4 cyl feels taxed every time you want to pass someone) compared to the previous gen with the V6 but only 20-22 MPG combined.
It's not a debris issue. It's a design, engineering, and quality control issue. Why would anyone buy a new tundra.
Right, there will only be so many uninformed suckers buying them until the sales finally collapse once normal people get wise to it.
No one bought that ridiculous BS cover story except the most ardent Toyo Fanboys and the media that is bought and paid for by the Toyota marketing empire.
@@hsuccopI agree! I also think most buyers are just not informed about all the things going on. They like, they buy, little to no research involved lol
I think most people buy them still because the other brands "have their issues". I see a lot of guys buying new or used Tundras simply because they just had a newer GM/Ford and had constant issues, though nothing of this magnitude IMO. If GM didn't have AFM issues they would be destroying everyone with sales now, even so, they still sell more trucks overall than any other brand.
True, but what's even worse is letting the oil run out of oil. Even dirty oil is better than no oil.
I just went out to the parking lot and hugged my V-8 2018 Tundra.
Yes I alway look at a Tundra with a 5.7 liter engine with great nostalgia
@@LK-bz9sk I'll be on the lookout for these idiots who thought it was a good idea to put a turbo engine in a full size truck. They will need a ride home after their engines that were designed only to meet EPA requirements explode. I will also tow their blown up shiny new Tundras to the nearest dealer. Oh wait, there are no tow hooks on the new trucks. Another brilliant idea by the Toyota design team. 😎
Same with my 2019 except my AC just went out at 80k miles and I am not very happy about that! It will either be a 500 dollar fix or 2500 dollars. Fucking ludicrous prices to take it to the dealer
Loving my 2020 Platinum, about 50k and no issues
Ditto with our 2010 base model Corolla with rolldown windows, manual locks and a 5 speed manual.
This is why I canceled my order a couple of months ago for a 24 tundra.
Sad days ahead for toyota
Yeah I was in the market for a Tundra but did lots of research last year/this year, and just couldn't pull the trigger. Quality is definitely not what it used to be IMO.
Who would run 10,000 miles between oil changes? Toyota got burned way back in 2001 when they recommended the same interval on the RX-300. Big lawsuit related to engine failure due to oil sludging. I change my oil every 3-5,000 miles and have never had a problem in 40-years. Most pro mechanics that I follow on YT recommend a similar strategy. Good channel. Glad you're keeping Toyota honest. They have really slipped in quality control.
I have a ‘12 that I bought new. Nowhere in the scheduled maintenance log book that came with the vehicle does it call for coolant or transmission fluid service. The log book goes out to 120K miles. Just unbelievable.
Agree 100%. I can't recall if it was all vehicles but at one point I saw in a manual that the transmission fluid was "lifetime fluid".....same idea there. It's all for the EPA
I’ve never followed that 10,000 mile oil change either. Always 5,000 on my 2016 tundra. One tech at Toyota told me that I didn’t need to do it every 5k and suggested I could go with every 10k. I was like “nope! not me just change the oil please” I want the new 2025 but I just cannot justify the price for one & the reliability of the engines at the moment. I’ll wait until prices get better and for them to fix the problem. Toyota needs to thoroughly investigate what’s up at the manufacturing center and fix the problem from the top down! They can afford it.
Been doing 15k intervals on my 2012 Tacoma for 12 years. Change the filter every 5k
140k miles it runs great.
@@SimSez1 changing the filter without getting new oil doesn't make any sense.
I’ve been a mechanic for 50 years change your oil every 5000 miles
At this point, I question build quality on all new Toyotas. Sad.
The new Crown is made in Japan, I have one, the only Toyota I would consider.
@@gleanerman2195 Corolla Cross or RAV4 is about only ones I would touch here
The 5.7 v8 looks so amazing now. Glad I bought a 20 Tundra. Dead reliable
Yeah the 4.7L and 5.7L are shooting up in value over the past year....people can't buy them at a reasonable price anymore :). You got lucky. I've got 232k on mine now....
I've made many mistakes in my life but buying a new 2021 Tundra Platinum was not one of them. I hope to have the truck forever. I definitely don't follow any of Toyota's fluid (too long) drain intervals.
@TheCarGuyOnline mine has 65 000 kms or nearly 40 000 miles. Barely broken in
I made a big mistake i was looking at a 21 or 22. I ended up getting 22 like 2 weeks before all this crap came out. It sucks man.
@@mikethompson7042 I will never own anything with a turbo. Nothing but heartache 💔
If anyone doesn't take or file lemon law on a Tundra are crazy. That truck has had major problems from day one. Looks like the Taco is following it's big brother on problems.
I'd take that lemon law payout in a heartbeat...
Might as well be proactive and include 2025 and 2026 models too.
LOL...just offer 200k mile warranties...people will still buy them.
@@TheCarGuyOnline The sales numbers for the Tundra keep rising so people will keep buying them almost without care as to the engine issues.
@@bobbbobb4663 Yup I would imagine most don't research...or just assume the big 3 are just as bad.
@@TheCarGuyOnline Keep up the good work. I don't have a dog in this fight although I do now own a Corolla courtesy of the elderly MIL.
@@bobbbobb4663it’s one of their most reliable vehicles! Especially the hatchback. It’s built in Japan. I have one. Love it. I drive it more than my luxury car.
Never seen a leak fix itself. I’d take a buyback. Don’t buy because it’s a good deal, you’ll regret it later. The Tundra’s a bad vehicle.
Wow, what a Ya know, looks like Toyota has achieved quality control right on par with GM .... what an accomplishment.
I'd take a GM truck over a Toyota truck. GM makes excellent trucks.
not only should you not go 10k between oil changes, but the first oil change should be much much sooner to remove any manufacturing debris. I recommend 1k, 5k, 10k, etc, every 5k.
Yeah especially with two turbos....10k is insane.
Toyota needs to fire their entire executive team and board. Between failing quality and horrific inventory management that is costing them many millions in sales they are a disaster.
Yes and correct. This will cost Toyota billions. Sad day for Toyota, but they are not getting my money after this terrible and greedy decision on all their new cars and trucks. Toyota cheaper every model this year.
10,000 mile oil changes are too long. They can claim it is built for that, but I wouldn’t wait that long.
I don't think it's too long. Heavy equipment engines go much, much longer than that all the time. The big difference is the person operating these pickup trucks don't check the oil and the filtration is nothing like what's on commercial engines. Doing more frequent oil changes solves most of the problems that can arise from inadequate filtration and engines burning oil.
@@duggydo yeah, this isn’t a commercial engine. Plus, it takes 0W-20, not 15W-40. Totally different type of engines built to different specifications, hence different oil weights (and oil change intervals). BMW claimed long intervals years ago, yet there are plenty of cases showing sludge buildup that would have been avoided by earlier oil changes. Maybe this Toyota engine truly can be fine going so long, but I wouldn’t trust 10 oil changes per every 100,000 miles on a truck whose engine is a smaller displacement turbo engineered for thinner oil.
@@AutoEnthusiastJC my point was it’s totally feasible if you know what you’re doing and change it as needed. If you’re getting sludge, it’s not inherent to 0w-20 oil.
@@duggydo Well, Toyota owners aren’t going to magically know if it needs changed sooner. They will just go with 10,000 mile changes if that is what is recommended. Maybe Toyota is being conservative and it can go 15,000 miles between changes, so 10K was selected as recommended, but it still seems like a long time for this engine/oil. Guess time will tell if Toyota ever gets the engine sorted out and these trucks actually start making it to 200,000 miles on 20 oil changes before giving up.
@@AutoEnthusiastJC I do oil analysis on every oil change and have for several years. At 5000 the additives are always still adequate to keep going in every test I’ve done. Cheap oil probably wouldn’t be though. A better metric for oil change interval is hours, but the best is actually fuel burn without actually sampling the oil. I did a little of this type of analysis on fleet vehicles for a few years. I suspect most of the sludge and other engine oil related problems has to do with shady quick lube places using junk oil. Some of them know oil still has good additive life so they just blend in used oil with the new and use it on customer’s vehicles.
They couldn't include the 2024s on the initial recalls because all trucks on lots would be on a stop sale. Once 2025s start rolling out, 2024s will get recalled
Yep, dastardly plan😂
GMC/Chevrolet had no problems issuing a stop sale for the Canyon/Colorado....this is poor excuse for the Tundra, which all of you loyalists will keep denying anyway....
Toyota needs to stop f around and bring back the 5.7. Make the world a better place again
Toyota trucks are now less reliable than Toyota cars, and it used to be a reason to get the trucks because they were absolutely bulletproof and more reliable than the cars.
What are you even talking about..lol.😂
I have a 3/23 manufacture date and blew my engine last weekend at 56k miles. They are covering it under powertrain. I've asked everyone from dealership to customer engagement why the recall hasn't been moved to include more tundras.
I don't think I would be happy with the buyback considering he was making payments while the truck was in the shop for two engine replacements.
Yeah I think I just looking at it from the perspective that he'd never get anywhere near that value on trade-in or selling it private party...especially with 50k and on it's 3rd engine.
I canceled my reservation for a Lexus GX550 and got a 2024 Ridgeline TrailSport after Toyota recalled these V6 TT. I still love my 2006 Sequoia and will keep it. All these V6 and V4 TT are not the same anymore.
Probably a wise decision.
Didn't you predict this in a previous video? Toyota wanted to move the 2024 MY Tundras on dealership lots nationwide, so they excluded the 2024. Evil geniuses!
One owner of a 1999 f150 4.2 v6. Zero issues ever. Thank goodness I have kept it after buying a 24 tundra
You haven't had to replace your intake manifold gaskets yet? Not that it's a big deal really, but about every 10th Gen 4.2L had that eventually, as far as I know. It's like the only downside of those trucks though, one of the last really solid Fords. ABS module going out was common, too, as I recall, but easy to get rebuilt.
In other news Toyota’s DEI scores are UP and quality DOWN.
Yeah that seems like everyone nowadays...I wonder when the pendulum will swing back?
@@TheCarGuyOnlinesoon. The bottom line for these corporations won’t tolerate it when directors and investors are hemorrhaging money.
@@TheCarGuyOnline its not helping Toyota is adopting the big 3s planned obsolescence policy… get it passed warranty.
@@TheCarGuyOnlineDEI? Lol
This channel sucks
@@UA-camuser1aa Have you been paying attention to the news?
As Gomer Pile would say, "Surprise, Surprise, Surprise."
Toyota knew. They needed to sell 2024’s while they still could. Lots were piling up with 2022 and 2023’s. Hybrid will eventually be included as well I believe.
You are exactly right, Toyota wanted to unload Turds sitting on the lot!
You just made that up..lol
Why would hybrids be included now? 😂
1:15 someone running a duel turbocharged engine for ten thousand miles without changing the oil is WILD. Blud had it coming.
I said this 6 months ago that the 24s were going to be affected, but I was laughed at on a forum. Well it looks like I was right all along. This has nothing to do with debris. I was told this by a person who works at a dealership, but it was kept on the down low.
Guys, this is a covid truck. I remember Mike sweers saying that they couldn't even be in the same room together to engineer this truck. He was bragging in one of his videos.
That sucks I purchased my 24 cash saved for years I thought I was buying quality.
Saw this coming. The part was superceded. This means they have a new bearing parts. This also means ALL tundras with the original bearing parts will be affected. Sooooo since the part wasn't superceded until mod way through 2024s, they will be affected
Some have failed even after the supposed part change...
This is so sad to see. I have a 2006 Tundra and 2010 Sequoia, both are bulletproof. Upgrading to a new Tundra is out of the question for now..
I agree. My 2006 Tundra has no rattles, leaks and no turbos. Drives great and easy to work on. Simple and reliable. What happen to Toyota?
my 2024 - went in for the 20K maintenance. I inquired with the dealer if they will do an oil analysis on it. They said Toyota doesn't want to know.... I guess I'm glad I leased...
Dumped my 24 Tundra right after the first recall was announced.
Said this from the beginning, it’s a design issue as the older Lexus LS with the TT V6 had the same issues however they sold so few of them they are quietly taking care of customers. What’s crazy is people keep buying the Tundra
Bill, help me here pal, b/c I’ve got a ‘20 LS 500 F-Sport w/ 34k miles on it. Have had 0 problems to date. My brother has one too without issues. I’d like to know where you’re getting that info, b/c our Lexus dealership here in Tulsa has seen no issues w/ this TT V6 in the LS! Sincerely asking for my own good😂
I think people are very absorbed in their lives to the extent they dont notice this debacle and rely on Toyotas long term good name and products
@@bobbyb.1743I've only replaced one of those engines in an LS; customer ran over something in the highway and gouged the oil pan and all the oil leaked out while they were driving. They made it to the dealership -- red oil pressure light was lit up on the dash. Car would not move after they turned it off. They got a used engine out of a wrecked LS500 that had 8000 miles on it. No issues since the engine replacement, go figure.
@@LoneWolfSparty Thank you very much, reassuring, appreciate it. Bill had me concerned that I might need to offload this thing. I love the car & the engine “delivers” when you need it, though confess I miss the V8 that was in my ‘08 LS 460 before it was totaled. 🫤 Thanks so much Lone Wolf.
They are like trump supporters, they are clueless.
Lmao, my local Toyota dealership actually called me twice yesterday, two different guys, trying to buy my 2019 Tundra TRD PRO. Not once did they mention the new Tundra. They weren't trying to sell me a new Tundra at all, they simply wanted my 2019. I found this to be alarming and of course I declined their offers. I have no desire to part with my beloved 5.7 for the new POS they have now. Glad mine is paid for, has only 30K miles, and runs like a champ. For sure it's a keeper.
Keep preaching the good word, amigo! Toyota has a big, big problem on their hands if the 24's are also recalled. I, unfortunately, was denied compensation by Toyota because I didnt have the same recurring problem more than 3 times, even thoough I had over 10 documented problems with the truck, 2 of them recurring. I'll probably do a video outlining my experinece with Toyota corporate, but I'm just glad more and more people are getting the truth out there.
The V8 Tundras, V6 Tacomas, 2024 and used 4Runners are going for big money in my area.
Thru tried to do short block on my 2023 tundra but I ended up doing lemon law and having them buying back
Shocker (not). The reason for not including hybrid is so stupid. Glad I got rid of my 23 TRD Pro when I did. Looking forward to when Toyota fixes these issues and regains some reputation they have lost. My 2023 showed a leak in the same spot as the 24 you mentioned.
What you said about ‘I don’t understand why people can’t see ahead’ is so true. It’s like people become entranced by this shiny looking new toy and can’t think rationally after that.
I will also say that it's good timing to now include the 2024's as the 2025's are coming out. As you know a stop sale would have been enforced for the 2024's so that's why they weren't included originally
Change it at 5k like they have been doing since cars were invented. Come on people. 😢
Yeah, and then the guy pushes it past to 10,300. Do things about people who always have issues. They are gullible. And they are cheap.
@@TahoeRealm the more miles people put on any engine without ch aging the oil; the more likely sludge will build up. That’s just how it works. It doesn’t matter how it’s designed
@@4535goldenage Yep, that’s what I was saying. I agree with you.
Actually, 3000 miles was the standard interval for a long time. The 5000 interval for cars and trucks wasn't recommended until synthetic and blended oils became commonplace.
Its always been every 3000 miles until new synthetic oils came along
Why Are the Hybrid Models not affected ?? Is there not any engine issues on the hybrid models ?
they also have issues. But Toyota says the Hybrid powertrain doesn't represent a safety risk if the gas engine goes out on the hwy because you can limp home or to the dealer on electric power.
With all the problems with the new Tundra’s and Tacoma’s, I’ll just stick with my 3rd gen Tacoma. At 112,000 miles it’s been rock solid so far.
Lol...had a friend whose dad just added oil on an old chevy station wagon, back in the 70s, then had a misfire at 90,000 miles and couldnt get the plugs out. Figured hed change the oil too!
Have a 2004 Toyota Tundra with 4.7 V8. Compared to new trucks, it’s kinda ghetto, but I love it. Wouldn’t trade it for nothing. 369,000 miles and still going strong. Doesn’t burn 1 oz of oil.
I like the 4.7 better than even the 5.7 when it comes to reliability. The 5.7 is a bit overrated by comparison.
Thank you for exposing Toyota. I’ve been posting about my issues with my hybrid tundra and sequoia with the vibration issue. I feel like my vehicles are ticking time bombs. Every time before I drive them I always anticipate getting stranded on the freeway. I hate my Toyotas and really want to get rid of them.
Yeah that's not a good feeling to have. I hope they turn things around eventually. Most people think it will all blow over soon but time will tell...
@@TheCarGuyOnline the way Toyota corporate handled my issue definitely left a bad taste. They lost a loyal customer. Once I trade these vehicles in, knowing I’ll be extremely upside down, I won’t purchase another Toyota anytime in the near future.
whether you are religious or not I’ve got a story for you. January 2021 I was having the internal debate with myself whether I should get a 2021 tundra TRD pro or should I wait and get the 2022 TRD pro.
As this debate was raging in my mind I literally heard a voice say to me by your truck today. As someone who is religious and believes in God I listened and I went and I ordered the 2021 model that I wanted.
Flash forward to the issues today and I am so grateful I listen to that voice. I have almost almost 70,000 miles on my truck that’s been perfectly flawless never had one issue drives like a dream and I could not even imagine the horror show that I would be going through if I had not listen to that voice.
That voice was yours, so god is interested in your little truck decision but doesn't give a f..k abought starving kids around the world, your god SUX.
I knew this was going to happen. The Car Care Nut is still swearing by his 2024 but he hasn't put many miles on it.
He is very aware of what is going on with the recalls and issues. Excellent person to watch on his Toyotas reviews of older Tacomas and Tundras. He knows they were built to last if they are well maintained with regular maintenance.
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He the car care nut is probably getting kick b.acks from Toyota. I bet he charges $200.00 and hour after all the padding of parts
I don’t know much, but to me it didn’t make any sense the debris issue. Why in the world the hybrids are not included? Same engine. The hybrid electric motor helps the engine a great deal and maybe their thinking is that they won’t fail much? Or anytime soon. Can you imagine those all hybrids engine failing later on in their life? I hope they recall them as well soon. I expect a major lawsuit.
They didn’t included the 24, cause they needed to sell them. If you don’t believe this, then you, well….it is on you.
Yeah I think you are correct on both fronts. The hybrids not included because technically it's not a safety issue, they can get out of harms way if the engine fails. It also makes sense not to include some 2023s and all 2024s at the time of the initial recall in May because they didn't want to have to stop selling them. It'll be interesting to see how long they wait, if all 2024s are off the lot before recalls or how they handle it.
I like your honesty. Thanks
I bought my 2023 Tundra Limited used at 5012 miles, they changed the oil then, I signed a waiver to buy it with the fuel tube possible cracking after moving and hitting a brake line. That is finally being fixed this Friday. The engine recall was issued after I bought it. I have 9000+ miles on it, Knock on wood, no issues so far.
Sure hope it turns out OK for you. Many folks that own them still like the trucks...even some that have had engines replaced go right back to them.
Calling it now: all hybrids next
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Funny i thought the same thing. Like the most common Viet surname.
Yeah I watched this Vietnamese girl on UA-cam on how to pronounce it....but I don't think I got it right. I can only do so much in this skin ;).
2024 owner, did my first oil change at 2000 miles.....hoping this thing holds up! Wishing they'd of just stuck to the 5.7!
Too many vehicles developed and released during the shortages and ridiculous prices are pieces of junk. Speed and low cost were prioritized to an extreme
Yeah it seems manufacturers are pretty happy charging more/giving less and having record profits. I can't blame them on the profit side but....I can't really think of one that is making reliable long-term vehicles anymore.
Imagine driving a twin turbo engine and thinking 10k mile oil change interval is acceptable. The fact that people are STILL arguing for the 10k oil change is just mind blowing. I don't think I'd ever buy a used Toyota anymore without knowing the previous owner did 5k oil change intervals.
The f-250 alumiduty has got to be the most populr truck on the road.. i might go thst route myself if i swap out my 3rd gen taco
hehe....alumiduty...
This is why I just did a nationwide search and bought the cleanest, lowest mile 2021 1794 I could find last week
I can’t thank you enough for the continued coverage of the Tundra. You are saving many of us from making a huge purchase mistake.
Where does a person go for a half ton that is reliable? F-150 2.7 or 5.0 maybe? Ford has their issues, but not as bad as Toyota’s recent failures. Would appreciate your thoughts.
my 2.7 has been flawless, it's a 2018 with 193K miles.
There are a couple ones on the Mileage Impossible group on Facebook with over 500K.
But if you tow often I'd say the 5.0 is the more capable engine. Mine is rated for only 7600 lbs while the 5.0 can do about 10K
Good video. Who could have predicted that pulling more power from a tiny, twin turbo, high strung motor would affect -long term- short term reliability. First year production is a gamble the 2nd and 3rd year should be more of a known quantity. I still have my first year, first gen tundra, and a first year 5th gen 4R and have had no motor issues but the motor in both had been in truck applications for a couple of years.
Its none of those things. A high strung engine? Lol
@@voo5000 Tundras are dying on the side of the road needing that itty-bitty high strung engine replaced (by a tech that receives half his normal rate for warranty work.) The recall has been expanded to REPLACE this POS tiny motor indicating it is a DESIGN issue, not a process issue. Some folks have needed multiple engine replacements, It was a gamble.
@@nightdipper5178 they are not thou.. you lied
I have a 2024 Tundra TRD Pro with only 7k miles with a completely different issue. It’s not just an engine problem with these trucks. Truck has been in the dealership for >3 weeks for malfunctioning 4H4L system. They are estimating another 2 weeks for transfer case actuator parts/ assembly parts. Painful.
I own a Ram 1500 limited, 2014, add it is the best, most luxurious, reliable vehicle I have ever owned.
They cut corners on this engine. Either through manufacturing or using cheaper parts. I don't buy the machining debris story and I knew, knew that the '24s would be included eventually. I believe I even commented on one of your previous videos saying such. I hope to God that Toyota built the replacements correct this time.
I had the RMS issue on my 2022. Noticed it as I was installing my Cat shield at about 4000 miles. immediately took it to the dealership where the the "service advisor" told me that it was seepage | perfectly normal and wanted to charge me 150 bucks to have a tech look at it. In the end I didn't pay 150 bucks & the techs said it was assembly lube. After cleaning the built up oil off and monitoring for 1.5 years. The leak never came back. So I'm guessing it was assembly lube. Regardless....I sold the truck. Officially done with Toyota.
sorry for the long comment
i own a 2024 tundra sr5 crewmax 4x4 i bought it with 2 miles on it and first issue was the harmonic balancer [aka the crank pully ]. it was bad the dealer only discovered it because i change my oil on a new vehicle early .as a former lube tech i don't believe in 10,000 mile oil changes i change the break in oil in 1,000 to 1,200 miles and the every 5,000 mile after that .
the dealer replaced my harmonic balancer ,spring, crank bolt, and pulley under warranty i now have a little over 1,300 miles on my tundra and i can safely say i have not had any more issues so far.
i believe tundra owners should change their oil early to solve certain issues that will arise
Why isn't there one video of a Tundra owner who did an oil analysis on his first oil change to verify that the metal debri is in the old oil? Why would Toyota only be able to make a "hypothesis" that the problem was metal debri?
TCCN just released a video where he did a break-in oil change on his 24 Tundra and then did an analysis of the oil and filter. He didn’t really find any abnormalities. Go check out the video.
@@dongill9186 This ^^ Though it's a 2024 and a hybrid too. The hybrids tend not to fail as often due to the hybrid motor taking a lot of the torque/low end power requirement off the engine, which IMO artificially extends the life of these engines even though they are wearing poorly internally.
Again, thank you for your videos. I find them super informative and helpful. At this point, I honestly do not think I would take a Tundra or Tacoma if Toyota have it to me free of charge. It seems that they have definitely moved away from what made them a great company. Durability, reliability, and customer service. Sad.
Bearing cap bracket design is my guess. I know Toyota has done it before on other engines but not ones that make so much torque. Seems like they're trying to shave as much metal off of these trucks as they can without actually making them more simple. In fact, they just keep getting more complex.
So whats happening in Canada with these trucks?? I have a 2024 tundra sr5 trd off road
Same here
Ya.
With the initial cost for these beasts in Canada alone, I would really be thinking about quality before buying one. Just saying.
2023 SR5 TRD 4x4 at 31200K. got my truck with 2 mile on OD. 1st oil change 1.2k. never done oil change over 5k.
I bought a new 2024 Tundra hybrid Capstone no issues yet ,just turned 5000 miles , the only issues were the V-8 noise pumped into the cab I had that deleted the other thing is I didn't get two key fobs still waiting for that.i have a oil change scheduled in 3 weeks
Plain and simple to low viscosity 0w8 is too low for this kind of engine oil pressure and power. Mix this with towing in a desert or hilly terrain. Ouch.
Toyota must have one hell of a profit margin to absorb engine swaps on 2022-2024 Tundras.
The recall will include the start of 2025 too. Basically any non hybrid engine that was produced before they fired the people running the line machining the blocks. Hybrids aren't included in the recall because they're machined at a different facility.
Ending comment was priceless with the ram truck
lol glad someone caught it.
It's overall design and lack of proper testing issue. Probably that single large new cover that holds the entire crankshaft has something to do.
Never been happier to own my 2017 v8 tundra. 7 years as a work truck. Gas, oil, brakes.
We have a lot of toyota technicians coming to our dealership
Bc they went from doing nothing but tires and oil on the older models to doing full motor swaps weekly😂
I have a 24 Tundra with 17K miles on it that the low engine oil light came on a few weeks back. Noticed the same oil residue on the rear seal and the Toyota tech confirmed the same. They also noticed it starting to throw a misfire code. Tech said they had a 24 in last month with the same issue and are waiting on a replacement engine to come in for it.
I know Ford does not extend warranties when they have a part fail. My wife's 2015 Ford Fusion had a cracked cylinder head at 22k miles and they fixed it under warranty and then said only good till the end of the 5 year 60k mile power train. Traded for a 2020 Toyota Camry SE and its been great not one problem yet and its 4 years old.
Exactly Toyota is stepping up and offering engine replacement.
@@Mike-ht1ou Yes and if there is no metal shavings left in the block after machining its not going to fail. The early problem was a waste gate issue and was corrected fast! They started jumping all over Toyota then and it was nothing! Its about Toyota's reputation of being bullet proof. When something happens they jump all over it because it is rare that things go wrong, but they do go wrong and have in the past and every single time Toyota stepped up to the plate and made it bullet proof. Another thing is the mistakes being made are American worker screw ups! This kind of thing does not happen in Japanese factories. How much you bet when all is said and done they find workers that were screwing around on their cell phones instead of making sure all the machining debris was cleaned out properly before Assembly? This falls on Toyota though for not watching the quality control like they should have been doing. I bet you though once they correct this this engine ends up being one of the best of this generation before its all said and done:P
@@JasPlun it's been said over and over this is a design flaw. Toyota up-revved the connecting rods, that must tell you something.
It's been well documented some past Toyota screw-ups (3VZ-E overheating/poor headgaskets, 2AZ-FE oil consumption, unintended acceleration, etc) were all design issues.
@@engineer_alv It is not a design flaw dude they have tons of videos proving there is metal shavings in the engines. Google it and see for yourself it is NOT a design flaw if it were a design flaw every single engine built would be failing and they are not failing at a 100% rate just like 1.8% or so.
Unfortunate that these issues are coming about...Toyota quality and durability reputation is taking some major hits lately. I understand the EPA mandates but from a risk perspective I would have offered both the 5.7 and the new 3.4TT engine to customers....at least they could revert back to a proven engine. Wonder if we will see the same challenges with the Ram inline 6 SST engine...
Anyway great insight as always...appreciate you bringing these issues to the forefront.
The buy-back was good. Too bad though it's going to be tough finding a new full-sized truck for $59K
Not really. Any of the American brands have big discounts where 59k can get you something decent t
Stay clear of rams. Seems almost daily something new and bad is reported.
Dont buy new. Period. Son in law got a rust free Arizona truck, 2001 chevy 2500 long bed extended cab, 8.1 allison trans for 6 grand...150,000 miles,not even broke in. Screw the mileage, its a runner!!
@@brokenujoints3811 nice. I feel blessed with this old accord. Took 4 states away of a search, but worth it
@@trumpet12345 Source? I'd love to do more videos on other brand issues that are "current". Seems like the GM and Ford issues have already been talked about a ton on UA-cam so I hadn't pushed hard on those videos.
If it really were loose engine debris, we'd probably see rod bearings go first. They are thin compared to the mains. But it's the mains that are going. Usually #1, and sometimes #4. Toyota re-engineered those bearings and in Jan of 2024 they were introduced. The old part number was replaced with a new part number in January of 2024. That's how we know those bearings were re-engineered. So I'm hoping my sources, and their interpretations, are correct. But with my luck, I'm not holding my breath. The recall was changed too. It went from: engines made from November 2021 - Feb 2023, to engines made from November 2021 - Jan 2024.
What a nightmare, I almost bought a 24 a month ago. I think I dodged a bullet.
@@whales302 you dodged a major bullet my friend.
I have been driving Toyota car based products for 20 years with good reliably. But I have to admit the Toyota twin turbo V6 makes my Chrysler Concorde 2.7 liter V6 look like a champion.
No one thought this. They waited to expand the recall so they could sell the late stock 23 and the 24’s.
Perhaps Toyota could persuade Nissan to make trucks for them for a few years. Just a slight redesign of the grille to fit a Nissan badge to it😅
I would buy that truck...at Nissan for less $$$! No Toyota taxation. 😂
@@craigslistseller9354 Nissan was selling brand new Titans for under $40K when I looked up 2 months ago. Not sure if they still do
@engineer_alv Toyota's dealership engine oil ranked dead last in Project Farm's test of OEM oils. Yikes.
Love my 2018 ,,5.7 runs beautifully
Fuel gauges don’t work on 2022 to 2024 models. Lemon lawed my 2022. Now my 2024 fuel guage inop. Can’t tell how much gas in truck changed dashboard out. Didn’t work.
That's pretty sad they can't even build a fuel guage, I've seen that a lot in the groups/forums too, you are not alone sadly.
Have you tried reseting it. My 22 does this every now and then. Shut if off while still in drive and wait till the gages move. It's like 10-20 seconds.
I found a hack to reset the fuel gauge. Turn your truck off while in drive and wait for the gauges to all drop. Takes about 30 seconds. Shift back into park and restart the truck. Fuel gauge should correct itself.
What about Toyota Sequoias, Lexus GX and LX vehicles with the same engine are they having the same issues and under the recall.
We bought a 2024 Tundra in June. Just under $60,000. 4300 miles, so far. Zero problems. Gonna change the oil at 5,000 miles. Nice truck, very fast. Oh, and no recalls……yet.
Hopefully the 2024s, most of them, will be in the clear.
Same here. I leased a 2024 Platinum in January of 2024 thinking the issues were solved. I changed the oil at 3k miles anyway and I’ll change it again at 5k miles to be proactive. Haven’t had any issues as yet but I only have about 4,200 miles on it so far. Wondering how all these problems will affect those of us who lease these trucks.
New recall
Sudden loss of tire pressure@@TheCarGuyOnline
Funny thing is, the Sequoia is not mentioned in any of these recalls.
All are hybrids so they would not be covered
@@frizbe1314 well yeah I know that much, but that's one vehicle you don't hear much about (probably because they don't make a ton of them and because they're expensive AF)
I wonder is the engines in the lexus Gx has the same issues going forward
I was thinking the same thing
I hate that this is happening but I'm really really intrigued into what's the cause. This is an unusually large failure on Toyota's part.
Yikes, stand by your hybrids Toyo. Do you believe that this applies to anyone who simply has a 22-24 tundra registered in their name or does it have to be under warranty with the dealership?
This is still in the "credible rumor" status. I'm hoping to get the source on a video soon, just have to see how it goes.
I'll keep my 2005 single cab long bed 4x4 Tundra ! Only at 164k still runs like new. the 4.7 is amazing !