Toyota absolutely should install a complete new engine assembly. The idea of having a dealer mechanic take the engine apart and spread parts all over the place and then put it all back together without knowing about other damage from debris is just the dumbest thing Toyota could do here.
@@doom4067 Do you understand that Toyota is not replacing the entire engine? They are only sending a new short block. There is not telling what damage was done to the rest of teh engine with all that metal being circulated through it and since the oil pump pumps unfiltered oil, yo know that has to be chewed up and that is not part of the short block. Just going to be other issues down the road. They should replace the entire engine and fix it once and for all, provided they actually figured it out and fixed it. Just not buying the shavings explanation.
@@Gadget0343 350 new hires at the Alabama engine plant are likely working on making thousands of new LONG BLOCKS as I write this. Toyota likely knows that only new LONG BLOCKS with durable, revised design main bearings can restore customer confidence in the twin-turbo V6
I believe 95% of the UA-cam channels who talk about cars/SUV's have no business telling anyone anything. This channel and maybe a handful I really trust.
Aren’t u a little worried that he’s now reached a level where he’s been bought off by Toyota? The company has paid people to take down videos so it wouldn’t surprise me. How has this guy not come across just ONE of these engines by now? Anyway, I want u to be right, maybe I’m being cynical - but maybe I’m right.
@@newbluerugby he used to work for Toyota dealership. Now he has his own auto shop. He understand have have fixed all Toyota engines from the 80's to the latest 2023 engines
Im a current toyota MDT. I was one of the early lucky techs to have rebuilt a 23 Tundra engine back in July last year. The engine was torn down for inspection, followed by a 55 day wait for parts. This was easily one of the most overly complex engines I have ever worked on.
This man is on the money. I'm in a business that services dealerships and the worst thing Toyota could do is to not replace the complete engine. Dealerships hate warranty work, because they don't make the money on it that the normal repairs generate. Therefore they usually put their lowest paid (least experienced) mechanic on the warranty jobs. Do you really want a kid out of trade school rebuilding your very complex modern engine? Great channel.
You're right, Toyota should send replacement engines to the dealerships, and take the old one and repair them centrally themselves. That way they control the quality of the repair.
AMD and actual past mechanics talked about this problem. I'm so alerted by this that if I ever get myself into a warranty work scenario I will be having a discussion with the service manager and technician. If Toyota can't fix it maybe I can at least get ahead of it and make sure they don't take short cuts, even if I go out of pocket.
@TheRealCatofyou’re aware that the dealerships doing the work is, against the lowest paid techs, they’ll have the journeymen doing other repairs that customers pay good money for.
I will listen to this guy as being a life long Toyota mechanic. Lots of click bait on here that have never turned a wrench, but have lots of opinions. Thanks for you research and time to explain
Well to me as being a Lexus owner I am disappointed to see it. But it can happens to any car company. It's sad it's so bad though because Toyota has stressed over and over there QC. Now I love my Lexus not one that is effected and yes I know how to use a wrench and what it looks like. I do agree that they should just replace the entire Engine if not for the unknowns damage but at least for a customer perception. Yes I will still buy a Lexus or Toyota going forward.
I mean the same thing could be said about every decade of vehicle. Take for example the previous gen tundra 5.7 engine. Imagine showing that engine to a mechanic in the 1980s they would have told you this engine is too complex and it will fail.
@@theholt2ic219 Yup it’s just a dumb thing that simple minded Toyota fans say because thinking is hard. If complexity meant unreliability and vice-versa, the Model T would be more reliable than a 90s Lexus. In reality the Model T was unreliable AF.
Today I'm retired but when I worked in dealer service (at a different high end mfr) we stood on our heads to make customers happy. The dealer and his Gen. Mgr. always went the distance to assure that customers were treated fairly. The engine is the heart of a modern automobile and the replacement cost is crazy expensive. This is a real tragedy for Toyota and its partners. Thank you Car Care Nut for this great video
Was it Mercedes or BMW you worked at? Just curious. They may have a higher shop rate there, but from what I’ve heard techs there tend to be happier. 🤷🏻♂️ is that true? I happier higher quality, better paid tech is better for the customer every, single, time. A higher shop rate doesn’t always mean more money if they are good at their job and get things done right and efficiently. In my experience anyway.
@@TheLumberJacked it was a Mercedes shop. The techs worked hard (and smart) and they were highly paid. The owner also had a big VW business and his techs were making crazy money---because most of them HATED working on VWs. Probably two thirds of the cars in the VW shop were Gen 2 Beetles. Truly horrible cars.
This is the only guy on UA-cam I really want to hear talk about this. Everybody else either likes to ignore certain facts, don’t have the knowledge or the will to educate their viewers, or just choose to play angry with gloom & doom clickbait titles because their angry viewers want something to relate to. Some UA-camrs are hard to listen to for 8-10 minutes. I’ll happily listen to the car care nut for 41.
You know that is really it. I have a 5th Gen 4Runer and a 90 22R Pickup. I'm a major Toyota fan and glad he posted this video. I'm still not happy about the recalls and have some concerns about the new Tacoma. I have always owned Toyotas because they are reliable and easy for me to work on. I feel for the Tundra owners that are impacted...
Idk if this man knows how much we appreciate his level of commitment to speaking the TRUTH about all these new cars. There is no bias, just facts, is honest in all of his assessments, and incredibly informative. I watch his videos while I work and they are always a pleasure to listen to 🙌
Toyota Canada tech here. We've been dealing with these engine issues since last year. One tundra we had, literally EVERYTHING got replaced because the cylinder #1 piston literally exploded leaving the connecting rod by itself. By the end of the repairs, over 45,000$ was spent on replacing every single part. We're curious to see how Toyota is going to handle this.
Any problems with the V35 in Lexus 600's and 550's? Those vehicles are produced in Japan (chassisnumber starts with J) and so are the engines I believe? If V35's turn out to be reliable in Japanese built cars, the problem must lie with american assembly procudures for the American built Tundra. Cheers
@@Tundra38002 based off my personal experience so far, we've only seen issues with early MY2022 Tundras. I believe we had one 2023 Tundra with a bad engine but that's about it. We haven't had any issues with Tundra Hybrid or Sequoia. That's just what I've seen at my personal dealer. Other dealers/ techs may have different experiences!
@@dwgjr330 Honestly I don't think there's much to really investigate. I've seen a bunch of these blown in various different ways from a basic spun bearing all the way to the piston I mentioned exploding into chunks. Seeing the teardown on a video would be cool from a view perspective but from a diagnosis perspective there's not much there.
I spent the last 28 years of my career in engine manufacturing. The majority of that time was in Machining Engineering. I've seen several of these difficult engine failure problems and worked on some of them personally. I agree with the majority of the analysis in this video. If it really is manufacturing debris, the most likely place would be in the oil gallery in the block feeding the crankshaft. As pointed out, if the debris was in the crank it would be fed to the rods. Why the majority of this is in #1 main? I can tell you that almost all deburring and burr/chip removal is automated in the factories I worked in. It is done in the CNC machines, with robots, or in washing machines. I will accept the idea that it is possible with the Toyota production system that, for example, there was a programming issue in a deburr cell that was common to multiple factories. (This wouldn't be the case in the company I worked for). What I don't accept is that it would take 2 years to figure this out. This is one of the first things that would be checked for this type of failure. I also don't accept that regular production cleanliness inspections would have missed this problem in two factories for 2 years. I would not rule out a design issue, even though Toyota is telling us it is manufacturing. Regarding the idea that Toyota would need to look at the serial number on the block to know what is in the truck, I think that is highly unlikely. In our factory the block, crank, rods, pistons, and head are all serialized and the data is stored. From the vehicle serial number we can identify all those components and in some cases even the gaging (measurement) data is available, as is the individual tools used on the part in machining. Even the casting lot for blocks and heads and forging lot for the cranks is known. I cannot fathom that Toyota isn't at least as sophisticated as our factories. This means if they really did find and fix something, it would be easy to identify the vehicles that are at risk. My opinion is they didn't identify any of the 2024 trucks because they don't want to stop sale and add to the list of trucks that need to be addressed. I trust they would eventually include them in the recall if needed. I do own a 2022 Camry but don't own a Tundra. I am expecting to replace my Camry with a Stout in a few years. I will not buy the first-year model though.
Yeah. I’m not a Toyota tech but I know he doesn’t BS anyone. As a tech, I can tell you he is a very honest man. I agree with him 99.9% of time. He is level headed, he tells both sides and the truth about pricing & technical part too. That’s the risk on mass production, if there is problem then it’ll be huge. Unless they catch it very early on. One thing I learned, everything starts from the top on down. You know what i mean.
Toyota should just sling you a ridiculous salary and appoint you as a consultant. You are exactly what brands need - someone that loves to see the brand succeed, but isn't afraid to call out the weaknesses. Instead we get overpaid CEOs with MBAs that have no engineering or mechanic knowledge and grift from one corporate gig to the next and brand marketers that spend their days putting lipstick on a pig and telling you its a stallion.
Keep money out of this mans stream. He does it with no pull of bias, no pressure from this group or that group. IF they were to hire him to field test issues, that would be amazing for their North American Operations? I really enjoy his passion, i just don't want it compromised by money or pressure.
I’ve changed my oil 5 times for a brand new v6 Toyota Tacoma. 300 miles had big metal chips in my filter housing. 500 hundred miles and still chips. 1000 miles less chips. 1500 miles a few chips. 2000 miles glittery oil. Changed with 0-20 synthetic oil/new filter.
Apologies for the possibly noob question, I don't know much about cars but I am currently searching. But what do you mean by chips and why are you changing the oil so often (every 500 miles)? I thought it was every 5K miles to keep everything properly lubed up. Will I need to get it changed this often? Thanks!
Not bad at all. Still a lot lower failure rate than most other manufacturers especially across their while line up. Recalls go two ways. Initiated by the Manufacturer and the government isn't involved but included. Or initiated by the government and forced upon the manufacturer. Unfortunately use the same name. Being in the jndustry for 35 years, 32 of it in a Toyota dealership. The government has never mandated a recall upon Toyota. Their average recall falls well below most manufactures level of failure rate to invoke even an inquire into a consideration of a recall.
Toyota would not approve/pay a claim if the tech wasn't at the master level skill rating. You have to be on a approved list that matches or exceeds minimum level to do warranty work on any recall/special service campaign. Plain and simple.
@@robertragsdale6955this is not true. I’ve seen it first hand. It should be true. But it’s not. Bottom line if the work needs to get done and someone’s available the works being completed whether it’s under someone else’s name or not.
@@beretta8633 yes there are thiefs and snakes crooked dealers. But its harder and harder to do these days with electronic repair orders. The manufactures see everything. Has to be under the techs name. When you were using flag sheets it was easy. Not any more when its 100 percent electronic. They can also see if they are flagged on two repair orders at sema time. The DMS (dealer management systems work for the manufactures to assist in warranty fraud at the dealer level. Things can still be done. But not near as coming as it use to be. L1
Decades of rock-solid reliability DOES NOT mean Toyota gets a free pass for questionable design trends, falsifying test results, and shoddy manufacturing practices.
I think this is why so many people feel so angry/upset with this recall information. Toyota is supposed to be one of the safe automakers when it comes to reliability and were willing to pay a bit of a premium for it. Now that illusion has been shattered in a way with this mess. I think the severity of the issue also plays a part. It's not every day a recall is for an issue that may result in the destruction of an engine at any time. Add to it they don't have a fix yet so those driving one may feel like they have a time bomb on their hands.
@@niuhuskieguy I just feel they are no longer the company they once were and there is a mountain of evidence to support this. They simply can’t be trusted anymore.
No excuses but I take a Toyota any day. It’s not perfect but I have a neighbor who owns a KIA gathering dust in a garage 😢. Every automaker has recalls here and there. No one is perfect buddy.
And its recall with lots of labor time.This is hard on dealership techs.And of course customers. In the end vehicles are just money pits. Some better than others. Retired GM tech here. This tech knows his stuff ,he is the only one I watch.
Thanks for your efforts over the years to keep GM people on the road. Do you happen to know if the 5.3 and 6.2 AFM issues have been resolved? Nice trucks. My buddy is considering one.
Yes. I’m a GM tech too. We know how they operate. This man is not working for Toyota anymore, maybe he got screwed like us by GM. I started w/GM in 1983. Glad I retired too. Can’t make money anymore.
@@0HOON0 It's luck of the draw. I know guys that have anywhere from 150k to 250k miles on their 5.3, never had a single issue with lifters. But obviously some guys out there have a lifter fail at 5,000 miles. The biggest thing is to change the oil much more often. Dirty oil causes the majority of lifter issues and too many people do 7500 mile oil changes. Direct injection makes diesel-like soot that ends up in the oil and GDI is prone to cause higher levels of unburned fuel to end up in the oil. Those two factors cause a lot of problems for lifters in the same way it causes issues with VVT systems in other engines.
You got TRD John who’s a Toyota shill and you got untamed Motors who just wants to hate on Toyota. Right in the middle you have an actual mechanic who is objective and real. Thank you car care nut
Man, I love this guy. I dont, nor have I ever worked on cars, but I just love listening to this guy talking about cars and learning. Just a very well crafted, no BS channel. Love it. Congrats on all your success!
Dealers overcharge us and then don't understand why we won't let the dealer service them. Well, if you overcharge us on the sales floor, I'm sure that policy continues in the service dept. Three times you take your car to the dealer for service: Never, Never, and Never.
Dealerships can’t afford to employ multiple certified technicians, so they utilize lesser paid ($10/hr) Valets to work in the service department, but when a child throws up in the showroom or a toilet overflows the Valet is sent back to their primary duties.
Lexus Diagnostics Specialist here. Only have had one LX600 failure in the shop. Luckily for us, only 3500 affected than a Tundra. Total agree with all your opinions. Alot of consumers and UA-cam Techs thinking they no better. Yes there are some great techs at dealerships, but also some people I wouldn't trust as well.
This guy is so on top of what he is talking about. And he knows not just the system and design? But knowing where to look for changes (part numbers, dates, associations with manufacturing dates and runs, when issues were reported, how to interpret all of the above, etc.). I would bring my Toyota to this guy in a heartbeat.
As a master woodcraftsman nearing 79, I so appreciate the truthfulness and honesty of all the videos and enjoy the content regardless of there length. If it's cars, furniture or whatever you do it is necessary to master the skills and you will be rewarded in life in so many ways.
Glad you made this video Ahmed . You are 100% correct in ALL you said . I worked in dealer as a a parts guy for 40 years . A partial engine is the only way to go on this . Short block being installed at the dealer , and then hoping everything else is ok is a really bad idea !
So you seem like the perfect person to ask. It seems fair to assume that all Tundra's built from some point in Jan of 2024 have the new block AND #1 and #4 bearing. The later #1 and #4 bearing replacement part number would for the new block assemblies. I am already seeing people in the Tundra forum saying that the factory builds will not be right until after some time in April of 2024 which is not the takeaway in my opinion. Thoughts on there two dates?
@@chadmccown4027 I am just saying that to send out a short block , and have a tech install the other used parts from the bad engine is not a good idea . Some techs are not that qualified for this job. Regardless of when the block was manufactured .
@@axelknutt5065 I wouldn't want to be the guinea pig on that repair job....I suspect there will be plenty of leftover parts and screws when the "repair" is done!!!!
I have been working on and selling parts for turbocharged Toyota engines for over 20 years. If this is an engine machining debris problem, or main bearing clearance issue is causing the failures, the turbochargers will also fail from oil debris, and the cam journals will have scoring. There is no way to properly fix a problem caused by metal debris in the oil by just replacing the shortblock assembly! Also, there is no way 100,000 shortblocks will get replaced by dealership techs without a large percentage of those engines developing turbocharger failures and cylinder head issues soon after!
Are we looking at some of the #1 bearings have manufactured problems and some don't, as in machining, out of round or what ever, not debris floating around from new?
I work at a Dealer. The current fix is new short block. New heads, valves, Adjuster rockers arm, cam housings, new cams chains guide tensioners gear. Bolts. New oil cooler new vacuum pump, new turbos, oil lines. Valve covers. Anything that touches oil basically. Would be easier to get a long block ready to go. Warranty paid about 26 hours for the rebuild. We've had also had turbo issues on 2 other tundras without any other engine issues. We've had 3 engine failures at my small dealer.
@Brennen666CA that is a lot more thorough than when I was expecting. Given the scale of this issue, it's kind of crazy that they're putting it all on you guys to do 26 hours of warranty work on every single one.
My 2022 TUNDRA engine stoped rotating at 27k miles. I used to have racing cars and assembled and disassembled engines lot of times and know enough to understand that with this kind of failure there should be bearing particles everywhere in the engine. The dealer said they were going to replace the broken parts. I told them and called Toyota and told them I’m not taking that truck back if they don’t put a complete new engine. I won’t take the risk of something else already effected by the present failure fails right after warranty ends. I’m waiting for news from the dealer.
Unfortunately you have a 22 truck with 27k.... Thats not how it works and Toyota knows that too. Youre on the hook financially whether you put your foot down and gruff or not. Whether they do a new short block or throw parts at your motor isnt affected by that threat.....
BMW S54 and S65 engine owners, Porsche M96 engine owners, we meet again. Now let's please welcome all Tundra V35A engine owners to the support group. 💕
@@jonathanyin739oh lord, I can assure you it is not. There has not been a BMW engine produced in the last 20 years that can even compare to the durability and reliability of Toyota engines. Sure the BMW engines are fun to drive, but for people looking for a vehicle that can deliver 250-350k miles of low cost ownership…people are not looking to anything German. My family drove German cars through the mid 90s, then we rapidly left and went Lexus. Not even close. I reserve German for weekend cars, that’s really what they are meant for.
@@TXJ232 The 5.7 I force V8 had early on issues, they were fixed and is now known as one of the most reliable v8s of all time. Let’s see what the next several years brings, but if history tells us anything it will most likely not be a German engine.
@@mikelevitt7365yes it is. They aren’t part of the safety recall because the hybrid gives enough power to get off the road. The engines are made in the exact same plant. Look at the Google sheet and you can see hybrids failing too.
@@mikelevitt7365Same engine though. Odds are they will eventually be added. Main reason they aren’t already is the hybrid motor will get you off the highway in an emergency
This guy makes other car review shows look like a joke. Like other shows will basically just read the spec sheet, and tell you how it drives and price. These reviews are so damn indepth and actually give you practical design knowledge about the vehicle. Bravo, subscribed.
Another masterful tutorial - even for those of us who never owned a Toyota, truck or otherwise, and may never own one. As always, your knowledge, experience, and integrity put you in a class by yourself. All the best to you and your family.
Watched him everything he said about my 2003 Toyota Camry I looked at and he was right thanks to him I’m hoping to get 400,000 miles out of it at 301,890 now thank you for your honesty and knowledge
What’s the purpose of putting thousands into a car with that many miles. I know you’re going to say your car hasn’t had an issue. All Toyota fanboys do. But in reality your transmission is slipping and you burn 2 quarts of oil a week. Your interior has more cracks than Hunter Biden. And your paint is scratched to hell.
@@tomdurkins This comment is hilarious hunter biden lol but let me say this... I own a florist so I have a fleet of 7 cars. 2 of them are toyota siennas. They are both old one of them has 360,000 miles In the last 150K of it I dont even think I spent $2,500 on repairs I do alot of the work my self but have a good mobile mechanic. In the last 150K all I can remember besides basic maintenance is (spark plugs, valve cover gaskets, timing belt, 2 drive belts, water pump, lower control arms and radiator) 2004 toyota sienna still runs good original engine and transmission. (Yes the trans does slip a little probably because I have never serviced it) The engine burns 1 quart every 3,000 miles which isnt bad for 360K
My son inlaw asked me what is the most practical, reliable vehicle to get for a growing family. I said get a 2004 Toyota sienna from original owner with dealer maintenance
Thank you AMD, I along with many other 22 thru 24 Tundra owners have been waiting for your opinion on this very important Toyota recall, most of us now through this video are able to at least start to understand what is going on with our trucks. Thank you again and now we wait for our letters from Toyota and hoping for the best.
Toyota needs to follow this man's advice. Great explanation on the problem and I loved how at the end how he directly spoke to Toyota. My next door neighbor is a Toyota tech and he has shown me pictures of cabs off the frame Tundras. I couldn't help but feel sorry for the owner whose $60k truck had to be completely disassembled. I really considered buying a Toyota, but held off based on everything going on. I want to see how Toyota and their dealers are going to handle this.
Literally this is the only source of truth anyone should listen to on the internet. Ignore all other UA-camrs ASAP. My 2024 Platinum has been great so far. Will keep an ear out if it ever gets included into the recall.
I'm a 2024 4Runner owner, but I love this guy's videos, so here I am watching a video that has no bearing on my vehicle. I'm learning a lot. I always learn a lot from AMD.
I bought my first Toyota, 2024 Tundra TRD OR. I have been watching the recall, I am not included right now, and appreciate your input. Love the channel and advice you give. Thanks and keep up the great work.
AMD, thank you for always being a true professional and voice of reason. I recently purchased a 1794 edition (which I love) and already own a GX460, RX350 and RAV4. I have complete faith that Toyota will do right by owners as they always have which is why they have such a loyal following. New product development in the auto industry is extremely complicated and mistakes can be made. Let’s give Toyota a chance to fix this. Many other automakers would have fought a voluntary recall but Toyota has been as transparent as possible.
finally, someone who makes sense of the whole problem. Too many videos of people who just want to hate, and make it sound like they know what they are talking about. All auto makers are not making good products right now.
This channel has been helpful for me, I’m not a Toyota fanatic but my wife’s little 2018 Corolla is a great car much better than the 2016 I had. Unfortunately for Toyota fanatics I think this time Toyota is in a lot of trouble and it’s gonna be different this time
Toyota will make it right. Just like the last huge recall for sticking throttles. It was BS, because the floor mat getting under the gas pedal that was causing the problem and not the throttle pedal. They replaced it anyway.
I'm an engineer in a large engine plant, and he is correct: The people who build these engines are not "engine builders," just factory workers with little or no previous experience. They are given digital work instructions that shows them where to put a bolt, etc. If that bolt has the wrong thread pitch, they may still put it on anyway. Unfortunately that's the world we live in now, people in general don't take pride or passion in their work like they used to.
They are not paid enough to care unfortunately. If the whole modus operandi of a company is to cut costs to the bone why would a marginally paid worker go above and beyond the bare minimum to stay employed.
You addressed that spot-on Ahmed! WOW! You walked right thru the "minefield" and emerged without a scratch! You have such gifts! You should be TEACHING AT TOYOTA UNIVERSITY!! I love that you turn wrenches exceedingly well, but you have higher God-Given Gifts! I agree that TOYOTA should hire you>>You understand brand loyalty & what it takes to retain that LOYALTY! Be Well and May The Lord Bless & Keep YOU, Sir!
I worked in dealerships for the first 15 years of my 35 years as a mechanic and I still think the manufacturers screw the mechanics on warranty times. People expect the mechanics to take their time and make everything perfect but the warranty book times basically turn every job into an olympic event or something. If you don’t want to starve you better haul ass and hope for the best! It’s a whole lot better away from the dealership and factory warranty circus
yep. former dealership tech. I know damn well they are going to pay the tech so little to rebuild this engine that he will have to flatrate the sht out of it.
As a Toyota technician, this is exactly what I hoped to see from you AMD. I am crossing my fingers and toes that the replacement engines are long blocks at least. These engines are like an onion, so many layers, and they have an absolutely huge amount of coolant and oil passages.
Agreed, they need to make it easy for you guys to replace if its so many trucks out there and to keep the customer without the truck for a long period too.
This dude knows too much, it’s crazy how he breaks down issues that are complex as heck for normal dudes like me. Btw I watch the whole video & still want it to listen more
I worked in VW and Audi service when there were 1.8T issues in the Passat and A4. There were vehicles barely making it out of the dealership with the short block assembly lunching their turbos.. I worked in Mercedes service when they had sludge issues with the 98-01 engines. That oil with "forbidden glitter" is sitting everywhere the oil flows. Replacing the short-block only is pretty much a temporary fix.
I went to our local dealer Jeff Hunter Toyota, here in Waco TX. The service manager said he had quite a few Tundras returned with engine failure. He told me the oil feed passages were not completely machined. Many of the trucks had just a pin hole feeding the engine’s components. He said he would not even consider purchasing a new Tundra. The cost of the short block, covered by the warranty currently, is $21,000! That is a big hit! Crazy!!
I usually prefer to buy the last year of a discontinued model. All the bugs are fixed and the price is discounted because the dealers are emptying the lot in anticipation of the new model. Plus the technicians all know the ins and outs of working on them. You might disagree, but this has worked for me for the last 50 years. My newest car is a 2022 Avalon Limited (non-hybrid).
Not just that, but if you wait until a few weeks before the next model arrives at the dealerships, you can often get a pretty good deal because dealers don't want older models competing with the new ones. They also know smart buyers like you want a car that has been debugged.
Yep I feel that way with my 2019 Pro 4X Frontier. Last year of the VQ 40 5 speed. Port injected without the active learning transmission BS. Solid state head unit with analog gauges. Only has rear back up sensors. Hydraulic steering. And not a single problem in 6 years. Only one recall to adjust back up lines on rear backup camera.
Same thing here: bought last model year 2017 XLE Camry with leather and all the buttons a month before the new 2018 refresh models arrived. Not a single issue.
Agreed! I bought that last of the Highlander V6. 2022. Tried and true with years of bug fixes. No vehicle is perfect but one can reduce the issues. PS AMD aka TCCN is spot on. Wise words.
Honest, sensible talk without heavy metal theme music shredding in the background. No fanboy bias either making excuses for Saint Toyota. Refreshing. This is old school shop talk.
I think that you are the wizard of Toyota’s and I love your all your videos but there are engine builders and really great mechanics out there that don’t owe Toyotas and some of these very experienced people are just giving their opinion about what is going on and it is not good to say anything about somebody that doesn’t own a Toyota should not speak their mind on what may or may not happen , I am just giving you my thoughts and opinions so don’t hurt the messenger. I will always think and know that you are the wizard of Toyotas
My wife and I own a 2002 Limited 4x4 4runner with 236k miles and a 2006 Tacoma Prerunner with 283k miles. I will do maintenance and fix whatever needs to be fixed before I spend $80K+ on one of these new Yotas.
i worked in manufacturing for many years. when a problem like this came about it was always look for someone to blame first then the cause. i hope they put a complete new engine in these trucks so the techs don't get the blame . good techs are harder and harder to find
Thank you CarCareNut. I have been watching all your videos from your home garage to the point where you are today. I learned from you a lot. I own 2022 Tundra and today I was finally able to get a good analysis of the situation without any bias. You are doing an amazing work. I was at the dealer the other day and mentioned your name and they know you and they watch your videos. 🤓 I am truly hopping Toyota will get it done right. No partial bs fix. Change my engine and give me extended warranty.
My experience with a Toyota recall is with a 2006 Corolla airbags. Toyota made it right, but it took two visits to the dealer and several years to accomplish. Toyota is still the best, and I hope everything works out for the best . . .
I have a 2022, received it early February. I changed the oil around the first 2K miles myself. I just broke 20K miles, I'm going on next week to service about 3 recalls. I think one is the parking brake, transmission possible issue, fuel filler part. Oil pressure responds on demand needs. I love my truck, I hope it last me 500K miles. I've had about 3 past recoils that was serviced a while back, yes a few flaws like rattling center console buttons, rear window seals don't meet all the way (the internals have drains at the bottom, so no concern there). I'd hate to have a tech rip it apart for a turbo or engine bearing failure but I'd still keep it. I made a sweet deal at the dealer with my Denali that I had 6 years of constant issues, (transmission the biggest one) I ended getting the 125K warranty 8 years because the truck was a completely new design. I hope toyota resolves this issue as everything else they've done in the past, hope it isn't as bad as it looks in the internet. Things happen, this engine design has a ton of technology in it and designed and tested to 3 to 5 million miles before failure, so I'd think if it is good then it will last longer than the truck itself in theory. hope I don't eat my words, LOL!
I'm on my 13th Toyota and specifically purchased two of the last V8 Tundras, plus a 23 gx 460, to avoid the certain bumps that the new v6TT engines would inevitably have. I love Toyota but even they can't get an entirely new powertrain perfect in the first couple of years. I expect Toyota will make it right and then get it right, but for truck owners now this is limited comfort. Some of my first gen Tundras had frame issues but Toyota made it right. This new problem is more complicated of course.
@@dmitripetrov5536 why are you here? You think v6 turbos get better mileage? You found the wrong video buddy. Perhaps use search for a Prius. This video is about reliability. Btw - I love gas stations, I own a hemi too…I drive everyday like I stole it.
A lot of people are hampering on Toyota but I gotta say, I’m not even a Toyota fan at all but they are on top of this asap. Really upholding their reputation. Many brands just let things happen and make customers fight for recalls and fixes. It’s still bad it’s happening, but at least they are on top of it.
Crap happens, but as long as i know, Toyota has always stood behind their products. Dealers are other way arround they ll find anything to tell you its "Normal ".
This guy is the King!!! Forget about nice screen, to the door panel and twinkies twinkies !!! He go exactly to the problem, causes and solutions. Thanks for all the knowledge and mecanic data!!!
As an Aviation Electrical Engineer! Well thought out and factual presentation! From during Engineering Investigations in the government, you hit on some good key points in determining “Root Cause Analysis”!
Most people are just mad about the reduction in cylinders and the increase in price and see anything negative as an opportunity to vent. I appreciate your videos!
This is an excellent video. I'm a first time Toyota Tacoma owner also with a recall. I like the product, but the dealers are horrible. They are rude and greedy. Toyota let's this happen and does not address the issue. Do they act on the surveys? No not that I've seen.
You did it, I knew your explanation would be the most unbiased and fact based in youtube. I wish I could like this video more than once. Definitely a subscriber now
I put 600k on that engine in a pick up. Had to do a head job twice , rebuild the 5 speed trans once, and replace the transfer case once. Biggest issue I had with that engine was starters. But since it was a 5 speed just parked on a hill all the time, lmao
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk Starters. Took me a few years to figure out the bell housing was cracked, so the starter didn’t line up correctly so it would eat up the starter in just a few months. I had bought the “Lifetime” warranty Autozone reman starter and after about the fifth one they wouldn’t give me anymore, lol
Toyota intern here. I was interning as an entry level tech through my school’s ASE program and had the opportunity to tear down one of these engines with a MDT. The failure on the engine I worked on was the rear main seal had walked itself out due to lack of support and adequate adhesion, but I have also heard claims of manufacturing material being left in the block causing problems with lubrication as well.
We bought my wife a 2024 Tundra at the end of 2023. At 500 miles we had the dealer change the oil. Then we had them change it again at 4000. We got the extended warranty from Toyota. We'll see. Previously she had a 2021 Ford F150 2.7 Ecoboost. We didn't get extended warranty because we had never used the extended warranties we had bought in the past. As soon as the truck went off warranty all sorts of electrical gremlins appeared: It would say the anti-lock had failed, then it would say the traction control had failed, etc. Dealer couldn't isolate the problem. Basically said, "well we can replace this module for $9500, if that doesn't fix it there is another module we can replace for $8000, but we can't guarantee either of those will fix the problems." Ford said the same thing. For some reason (DEI?) the auto manufacturers are producing vehicles that are too complicated or are not sufficiently tested.
Maybe I'm being too judgemental but I don't think the dealer tried very hard to diagnose the issue. There are certainly mechanics out there who are determined and knowledgable enough to trace down an issue without using the parts cannon and wasting a ton of money.
It's not DEI dude lol is that what you think is responsible for all the ills of society? It's an incompetent dealership trying to rob you which is a tale as old as time.
@@GixxerRider1991 You have no data to back up your claim and nowhere did I say that DEI is responsible for all the ills of society. Note I wrote DEI ? It is one possible explanation as is yours. Notice however I also noted that Ford could not explain it either when the dealer pushed it up the line so it was not just the dealer. Try not to launch into hyperbole where you imagine people's motivations.
Thanks for being the voice of reason. This, and Tinkerers Adventure are the only channels I put any faith in, the others are all clickbait and fluff who design content with clicks in mind, not actual facts and data.
I'm keeping my 1st gen and 3rd gen Tacoma. If folks are going to want a v8, get a Nissan Titan. The Frontier is a great alternative and much cheaper -- with a v6. If I'm in the market today, that's what I get. Nissan have those engines for a long time now and they are solid. Dont confuse that with their crappy CVT.
In the shop I worked in for several years. The boss bought a 2022 Titan V8. The engine lasted 17.000K before it started hammering. There was a production problem with the cylinder bores on several 1000 engines. There was NO crying from anyone and was replaced under warranty. The truck is a piece of junk anyway.
Toyota should send you a formal thank-you note and make TMMC a "Platinum Independent Service Facility" (or something to that effect, if there is such a thing). As a several-decades-long Toyota owner (currently Avalon and Camry), I appreciate your insight and, very importantly, your "stay calm" message - hearing that from you means more than it would from the manufacturer. I hope that Toyota executives will see this video and listen to your advice - honestly, I'd be surprised if they wouldn't at least take it into consideration.
As a technician who’s done this short block replacement, I completely agree with AMD. I really hope Toyota gives engine assembly for the recall. Otherwise Toyota will loose tons of certified techs, who’s skilled enough to do this complexed job. This short block job pays only 26hours and it takes master level techs 5 days (average I’m seeing in the dealership), engine assembly replacement can save a lot of techs out there and dealership productivity.
Having done warranty work as a Tier 1 supplier, it takes several months for a warranty claim to be completed. It goes like this. Owner returns to dealership with an issue, dealership diagnoses the issue. If it’s big they submit the diagnosis to the OEM warranty center for approval to do the repair, if the dealership gets the approval they fix the vehicle. Next the suspect components are sent to the OEM, they process them and notify the supplier. The supplier retrieves the component(s) and does the failure investigation. The supplier can then admit their component has suffered a failure, which makes the supplier responsible. Or. The supplier defends the component as it meets design specifications and preformed to design and contract. If this happens then the dispute is addressed. If the component is found to be the root cause then the supplier accepts responsibility. Then that responsibility goes back up the chain and eventually the supplier gets billed for the cost , them the OEM has their admin folks take their time to process all this because it’s money out, not in. So yeah today’s available data is months behind real time conditions.
I have watched your channel for several months now. I purchased a 2020 4Runner at the beginning of this year and have been trying to learn how to best maintain it. THANK YOU for doing your channel. I agree with the other comments that complement you on your knowledge, your straight forward approach, and of course the detailed how to videos on maintaining Toyotas! Please keep it up !!
But Toyota is supposed to test and evaluate everything way before it comes out to the public they're slipping they're cutting corners and they're going to lose customers not only with the quality going down but also with the Sky High pricing they have now
That applies to a lot of situations: same with not buying a new house during a boom between likely overpaying, builders cutting corners or merely hiring inexperienced people versus the seasoned people they keep around when business conditions are bad
Nicely said! I do agree with you. Toyota owners be patient. Like I said in other videos, we have own Toyota since 1972. I have a 2014 rav4 pearl white. For some reason there was a batch of Toyota rav4 that the paint started coming off by big chunks. Toyota actually issue an extended warranty on the paint. Toyota painted my rav4 and I am happy Toyota did this. It took 10 months but everything turned out right. I do believe Toyota takes care of Toyota owners. If you have an issue with your tundra, be patient and reach out to your local dealer. They will sort out the warranty for your car. Good luck 😊
My 2016 rav4 had the same issue with the paint. Took a while but Toyota made it good. I will say this car had a build issue shared by other owners (rear taillights fogging prematurely). They really didn’t want to fix it. My dealership took care of it because between me and my family we have bought 8 cars from them.
Toyota absolutely should install a complete new engine assembly. The idea of having a dealer mechanic take the engine apart and spread parts all over the place and then put it all back together without knowing about other damage from debris is just the dumbest thing Toyota could do here.
Just wait till all those 'second Turbos'start to go 'bye bye'
Taking off the entire body sounds rather expensive to me.
It's not dumb if the engine itself has a design flaw.
@@doom4067
Do you understand that Toyota is not replacing the entire engine? They are only sending a new short block. There is not telling what damage was done to the rest of teh engine with all that metal being circulated through it and since the oil pump pumps unfiltered oil, yo know that has to be chewed up and that is not part of the short block.
Just going to be other issues down the road. They should replace the entire engine and fix it once and for all, provided they actually figured it out and fixed it. Just not buying the shavings explanation.
@@Gadget0343 350 new hires at the Alabama engine plant are likely working on making thousands of new LONG BLOCKS as I write this. Toyota likely knows that only new LONG BLOCKS with durable, revised design main bearings can restore customer confidence in the twin-turbo V6
Hopefully no metal shavings made it into the turbo oil passages @@verlaryder
Most of us have heard about the recall, but The Car Care Nut is THE explanation we've all been waiting for
TFL also did a great breakdown on it.
@aussie2uGA no they did not! They just rehased the same info that we already know
Why don't you suck his nuts while your at it.
Exactly right !❤
I agree,
Who else wants to see amd get his hands on an engine to tear down.
The ONLY channel I trust when it comes to getting honest information
My motto. Trust no one. ....and it works.
Scotty Kilmer is another one.
I believe 95% of the UA-cam channels who talk about cars/SUV's have no business telling anyone anything. This channel and maybe a handful I really trust.
Toyota maintenance channel is good too !
@@haveaday1812CLICKBAIT Scotty 😂😂😅
Every once in a while, there is actually someone on UA-cam that knows what they are talking about. You sir are one of those rare individuals! Thanks!
Aren’t u a little worried that he’s now reached a level where he’s been bought off by Toyota? The company has paid people to take down videos so it wouldn’t surprise me. How has this guy not come across just ONE of these engines by now? Anyway, I want u to be right, maybe I’m being cynical - but maybe I’m right.
@@newbluerugby he used to work for Toyota dealership. Now he has his own auto shop. He understand have have fixed all Toyota engines from the 80's to the latest 2023 engines
@@newbluerugby If Toyota actually pays to take down videos, it is a new low. Toyota just decided to be GM, damn.
@@newbluerugby He's not a warranty provider. He's a former Toyota official mechanic working his own repair shop now.
I trust you tubers more than main stream media
Im a current toyota MDT. I was one of the early lucky techs to have rebuilt a 23 Tundra engine back in July last year. The engine was torn down for inspection, followed by a 55 day wait for parts. This was easily one of the most overly complex engines I have ever worked on.
Sorry dude, what’s an MDT?
@@randydiaz5951From the video Car Care Nut said he was a Toyota Master Diagnostic Technician. So, maybe that?
@@randydiaz5951 Master Diagnostic Technician
In other words, this is basically not an engine that should be in a truck..... not that any of the other automakers are building anything better.....
@@harryvaldenor nice, make sense!
This man is on the money. I'm in a business that services dealerships and the worst thing Toyota could do is to not replace the complete engine. Dealerships hate warranty work, because they don't make the money on it that the normal repairs generate. Therefore they usually put their lowest paid (least experienced) mechanic on the warranty jobs. Do you really want a kid out of trade school rebuilding your very complex modern engine?
Great channel.
You're right, Toyota should send replacement engines to the dealerships, and take the old one and repair them centrally themselves. That way they control the quality of the repair.
Inexcusable not to replace the entire engine. No reason to pay the toyota premium anymore.
AMD and actual past mechanics talked about this problem. I'm so alerted by this that if I ever get myself into a warranty work scenario I will be having a discussion with the service manager and technician. If Toyota can't fix it maybe I can at least get ahead of it and make sure they don't take short cuts, even if I go out of pocket.
@TheRealCatofyou’re aware that the dealerships doing the work is, against the lowest paid techs, they’ll have the journeymen doing other repairs that customers pay good money for.
@TheRealCatof Warranty work pays out labor at a reduced rate.
Finally someone that knows something about Toyotas, speaking about Toyotas.
If I was Toyota, I would GIVE AMD a dealership.
Exactly
Putin!
I was surprised that he questioned Toyota's practices, usually he reads a script on their behalf.
Avoid ALL new Toyotas. Too many other great brands out there! Facts.
This man is more knowledgeable than every Toyota Dealership combined
He shares his knowledge based on years of experience...
The dealers want you to be a mushroom..
kept in the dark and fed on BS
There are very little people in the dealership that are knowledgeable
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk if I'm not mistaken, this weighed heavy on why he left the dealer world to open his own shop
ha ha ha except LugOff Toyota in South Carolina
Anybody is more knowledgeable than any car dealership.
I will listen to this guy as being a life long Toyota mechanic. Lots of click bait on here that have never turned a wrench, but have lots of opinions. Thanks for you research and time to explain
Yes ,TOO many chirps from people who don’t even know what a wrench looks like 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Even Toyota quality is going downhill!!
@@AudiophileTommy Do you even lift, bro?
Well to me as being a Lexus owner I am disappointed to see it. But it can happens to any car company. It's sad it's so bad though because Toyota has stressed over and over there QC. Now I love my Lexus not one that is effected and yes I know how to use a wrench and what it looks like. I do agree that they should just replace the entire Engine if not for the unknowns damage but at least for a customer perception. Yes I will still buy a Lexus or Toyota going forward.
🏆 Toyota dethrone General Motors.
Who's gonna be thrown Toyota ❔️
This guy is such a good mechanic and humble person, i don't miss any video of him
Because he is a Christian who loves his neighbor and the Lord . He has integrity.
@@polishhotdog933 The love rainbow people force their will and don't approve of your kind.
He knows his stuff and his limitations.
@@polishhotdog933 He's accountable to the most high God. I respect that.
@@NVRAMboi 👍
Complexity will remain the Enemy of Reliability.
Crazy i didn't know this is the first engine to use main bearings. So technology. Much complex.
I mean the same thing could be said about every decade of vehicle. Take for example the previous gen tundra 5.7 engine. Imagine showing that engine to a mechanic in the 1980s they would have told you this engine is too complex and it will fail.
@@theholt2ic219 Yup it’s just a dumb thing that simple minded Toyota fans say because thinking is hard. If complexity meant unreliability and vice-versa, the Model T would be more reliable than a 90s Lexus. In reality the Model T was unreliable AF.
Simplicity is the signature of perfection.
I have to agree but complexity is going to get worse and not better.
Today I'm retired but when I worked in dealer service (at a different high end mfr) we stood on our heads to make customers happy. The dealer and his Gen. Mgr. always went the distance to assure that customers were treated fairly. The engine is the heart of a modern automobile and the replacement cost is crazy expensive. This is a real tragedy for Toyota and its partners. Thank you Car Care Nut for this great video
But also self inflicted by Toyota.
Was it Mercedes or BMW you worked at? Just curious. They may have a higher shop rate there, but from what I’ve heard techs there tend to be happier. 🤷🏻♂️ is that true? I happier higher quality, better paid tech is better for the customer every, single, time. A higher shop rate doesn’t always mean more money if they are good at their job and get things done right and efficiently. In my experience anyway.
@@TheLumberJacked it was a Mercedes shop. The techs worked hard (and smart) and they were highly paid. The owner also had a big VW business and his techs were making crazy money---because most of them HATED working on VWs. Probably two thirds of the cars in the VW shop were Gen 2 Beetles. Truly horrible cars.
This is the only guy on UA-cam I really want to hear talk about this. Everybody else either likes to ignore certain facts, don’t have the knowledge or the will to educate their viewers, or just choose to play angry with gloom & doom clickbait titles because their angry viewers want something to relate to.
Some UA-camrs are hard to listen to for 8-10 minutes. I’ll happily listen to the car care nut for 41.
Exactly.
Yup!
You know that is really it. I have a 5th Gen 4Runer and a 90 22R Pickup. I'm a major Toyota fan and glad he posted this video. I'm still not happy about the recalls and have some concerns about the new Tacoma. I have always owned Toyotas because they are reliable and easy for me to work on. I feel for the Tundra owners that are impacted...
Agree. 71 retired diyer prefer working on Toyota and Honda.
"Play angry with gloom & doom clickbait titles " are you talking about that old curmudgeon Scotty?
Idk if this man knows how much we appreciate his level of commitment to speaking the TRUTH about all these new cars. There is no bias, just facts, is honest in all of his assessments, and incredibly informative. I watch his videos while I work and they are always a pleasure to listen to 🙌
Toyota Canada tech here. We've been dealing with these engine issues since last year. One tundra we had, literally EVERYTHING got replaced because the cylinder #1 piston literally exploded leaving the connecting rod by itself. By the end of the repairs, over 45,000$ was spent on replacing every single part.
We're curious to see how Toyota is going to handle this.
Any problems with the V35 in Lexus 600's and 550's? Those vehicles are produced in Japan (chassisnumber starts with J) and so are the engines I believe? If V35's turn out to be reliable in Japanese built cars, the problem must lie with american assembly procudures for the American built Tundra.
Cheers
Do you see this in the 24 Tundras?
I would love to see AMD get his mitts on one of these blown engines- would be an interesting teardown and education
@@Tundra38002 based off my personal experience so far, we've only seen issues with early MY2022 Tundras. I believe we had one 2023 Tundra with a bad engine but that's about it. We haven't had any issues with Tundra Hybrid or Sequoia.
That's just what I've seen at my personal dealer. Other dealers/ techs may have different experiences!
@@dwgjr330 Honestly I don't think there's much to really investigate. I've seen a bunch of these blown in various different ways from a basic spun bearing all the way to the piston I mentioned exploding into chunks.
Seeing the teardown on a video would be cool from a view perspective but from a diagnosis perspective there's not much there.
I spent the last 28 years of my career in engine manufacturing. The majority of that time was in Machining Engineering. I've seen several of these difficult engine failure problems and worked on some of them personally. I agree with the majority of the analysis in this video. If it really is manufacturing debris, the most likely place would be in the oil gallery in the block feeding the crankshaft. As pointed out, if the debris was in the crank it would be fed to the rods. Why the majority of this is in #1 main? I can tell you that almost all deburring and burr/chip removal is automated in the factories I worked in. It is done in the CNC machines, with robots, or in washing machines. I will accept the idea that it is possible with the Toyota production system that, for example, there was a programming issue in a deburr cell that was common to multiple factories. (This wouldn't be the case in the company I worked for). What I don't accept is that it would take 2 years to figure this out. This is one of the first things that would be checked for this type of failure. I also don't accept that regular production cleanliness inspections would have missed this problem in two factories for 2 years. I would not rule out a design issue, even though Toyota is telling us it is manufacturing.
Regarding the idea that Toyota would need to look at the serial number on the block to know what is in the truck, I think that is highly unlikely. In our factory the block, crank, rods, pistons, and head are all serialized and the data is stored. From the vehicle serial number we can identify all those components and in some cases even the gaging (measurement) data is available, as is the individual tools used on the part in machining. Even the casting lot for blocks and heads and forging lot for the cranks is known. I cannot fathom that Toyota isn't at least as sophisticated as our factories. This means if they really did find and fix something, it would be easy to identify the vehicles that are at risk.
My opinion is they didn't identify any of the 2024 trucks because they don't want to stop sale and add to the list of trucks that need to be addressed. I trust they would eventually include them in the recall if needed.
I do own a 2022 Camry but don't own a Tundra. I am expecting to replace my Camry with a Stout in a few years. I will not buy the first-year model though.
Yeah. I’m not a Toyota tech but I know he doesn’t BS anyone. As a tech, I can tell you he is a very honest man. I agree with him 99.9% of time. He is level headed, he tells both sides and the truth about pricing & technical part too. That’s the risk on mass production, if there is problem then it’ll be huge. Unless they catch it very early on. One thing I learned, everything starts from the top on down. You know what i mean.
"there are some I wouldn't trust with an oil change" - classic and true! Excellent debrief!
Toyota should just sling you a ridiculous salary and appoint you as a consultant. You are exactly what brands need - someone that loves to see the brand succeed, but isn't afraid to call out the weaknesses. Instead we get overpaid CEOs with MBAs that have no engineering or mechanic knowledge and grift from one corporate gig to the next and brand marketers that spend their days putting lipstick on a pig and telling you its a stallion.
Toyotas CEO is an engineer and automotive enthusiast.
@@dirtydogthecold5430most Toyota fans are dumb.
Keep money out of this mans stream. He does it with no pull of bias, no pressure from this group or that group.
IF they were to hire him to field test issues, that would be amazing for their North American Operations?
I really enjoy his passion, i just don't want it compromised by money or pressure.
Toyota going the way of Boeing
See: Boeing
I’ve changed my oil 5 times for a brand new v6 Toyota Tacoma. 300 miles had big metal chips in my filter housing. 500 hundred miles and still chips. 1000 miles less chips. 1500 miles a few chips. 2000 miles glittery oil. Changed with 0-20 synthetic oil/new filter.
If I were ever to buy a new car again, I would follow a very similar procedure.
@@eliesh11 preventive maintenance from cradle to grave should be done for a solid engine 😃
wow. thanks for sharing that
Apologies for the possibly noob question, I don't know much about cars but I am currently searching. But what do you mean by chips and why are you changing the oil so often (every 500 miles)? I thought it was every 5K miles to keep everything properly lubed up. Will I need to get it changed this often?
Thanks!
It might be a break in period. However I'm not sure as I have never owned a new car and never will.
I'm a retired master tech. The wrong technician not paying attention can break a lot of shit replacing an entire engine on a modern car/truck 😴🙈
How old were you when you retired? I always I had been a good auto mechanic. I am now 69 years old.
Not bad at all. Still a lot lower failure rate than most other manufacturers especially across their while line up.
Recalls go two ways. Initiated by the Manufacturer and the government isn't involved but included. Or initiated by the government and forced upon the manufacturer.
Unfortunately use the same name.
Being in the jndustry for 35 years, 32 of it in a Toyota dealership. The government has never mandated a recall upon Toyota. Their average recall falls well below most manufactures level of failure rate to invoke even an inquire into a consideration of a recall.
Toyota would not approve/pay a claim if the tech wasn't at the master level skill rating. You have to be on a approved list that matches or exceeds minimum level to do warranty work on any recall/special service campaign. Plain and simple.
@@robertragsdale6955this is not true. I’ve seen it first hand. It should be true. But it’s not. Bottom line if the work needs to get done and someone’s available the works being completed whether it’s under someone else’s name or not.
@@beretta8633 yes there are thiefs and snakes crooked dealers. But its harder and harder to do these days with electronic repair orders. The manufactures see everything. Has to be under the techs name. When you were using flag sheets it was easy. Not any more when its 100 percent electronic. They can also see if they are flagged on two repair orders at sema time. The DMS (dealer management systems work for the manufactures to assist in warranty fraud at the dealer level. Things can still be done. But not near as coming as it use to be. L1
Decades of rock-solid reliability DOES NOT mean Toyota gets a free pass for questionable design trends, falsifying test results, and shoddy manufacturing practices.
True
I think this is why so many people feel so angry/upset with this recall information. Toyota is supposed to be one of the safe automakers when it comes to reliability and were willing to pay a bit of a premium for it. Now that illusion has been shattered in a way with this mess. I think the severity of the issue also plays a part. It's not every day a recall is for an issue that may result in the destruction of an engine at any time. Add to it they don't have a fix yet so those driving one may feel like they have a time bomb on their hands.
Government
@@niuhuskieguy I just feel they are no longer the company they once were and there is a mountain of evidence to support this. They simply can’t be trusted anymore.
No excuses but I take a Toyota any day. It’s not perfect but I have a neighbor who owns a KIA gathering dust in a garage 😢. Every automaker has recalls here and there. No one is perfect buddy.
And its recall with lots of labor time.This is hard on dealership techs.And of course customers. In the end vehicles are just money pits. Some better than others. Retired GM tech here. This tech knows his stuff ,he is the only one I watch.
Thanks for your efforts over the years to keep GM people on the road.
Do you happen to know if the 5.3 and 6.2 AFM issues have been resolved?
Nice trucks. My buddy is considering one.
Yes. I’m a GM tech too. We know how they operate. This man is not working for Toyota anymore, maybe he got screwed like us by GM.
Yes. I’m a GM tech too. We know how they operate. This man is not working for Toyota anymore, maybe he got screwed like us by GM. I started w/GM in 1983. Glad I retired too. Can’t make money anymore.
You nailed it about cars just being money pits.
@@0HOON0 It's luck of the draw. I know guys that have anywhere from 150k to 250k miles on their 5.3, never had a single issue with lifters. But obviously some guys out there have a lifter fail at 5,000 miles. The biggest thing is to change the oil much more often. Dirty oil causes the majority of lifter issues and too many people do 7500 mile oil changes. Direct injection makes diesel-like soot that ends up in the oil and GDI is prone to cause higher levels of unburned fuel to end up in the oil. Those two factors cause a lot of problems for lifters in the same way it causes issues with VVT systems in other engines.
You got TRD John who’s a Toyota shill and you got untamed Motors who just wants to hate on Toyota. Right in the middle you have an actual mechanic who is objective and real. Thank you car care nut
TRD stands for TURD. LOL
Man, I love this guy. I dont, nor have I ever worked on cars, but I just love listening to this guy talking about cars and learning. Just a very well crafted, no BS channel. Love it. Congrats on all your success!
Dealers overcharge us and then don't understand why we won't let the dealer service them. Well, if you overcharge us on the sales floor, I'm sure that policy continues in the service dept. Three times you take your car to the dealer for service: Never, Never, and Never.
Dealerships can’t afford to employ multiple certified technicians, so they utilize lesser paid ($10/hr) Valets to work in the service department, but when a child throws up in the showroom or a toilet overflows the Valet is sent back to their primary duties.
I agree 99%. I only take my car to the dealership for the transmission oil service. That’s it.
@@sjay149lol what?
Lexus Diagnostics Specialist here. Only have had one LX600 failure in the shop. Luckily for us, only 3500 affected than a Tundra. Total agree with all your opinions. Alot of consumers and UA-cam Techs thinking they no better. Yes there are some great techs at dealerships, but also some people I wouldn't trust as well.
How many miles were on that failed lx? I have a 24’ date stamped 02/24
We had an 2022 LX600 with only 43k miles
So if you had to eat an apple and knew that say.....25% of them were poisonous......would you eat an apple from the bushel?
as a Lexus specialist, would you buy a 2024 RX350 made in Canada or Japan? Be honest please.
This guy is so on top of what he is talking about. And he knows not just the system and design? But knowing where to look for changes (part numbers, dates, associations with manufacturing dates and runs, when issues were reported, how to interpret all of the above, etc.). I would bring my Toyota to this guy in a heartbeat.
AMD, Is the E.F Hutton of the auto world. When he talks,People listen.
Can't say of about this man integrity...
Such a joy to listen to.
I own a 23 1794 with 14k on it. No issues at this point. Thank you for the most informative and reasonable video I have seen.
Good luck 🤞
As a master woodcraftsman nearing 79, I so appreciate the truthfulness and honesty of all the videos and enjoy the content regardless of there length. If it's cars, furniture or whatever you do it is necessary to master the skills and you will be rewarded in life in so many ways.
Because being a master wood Craftsman matters? You're just on here bragging about your own trade. Piss off old man
Everything he is saying is 100% true . He is a very smart and honest person
Glad you made this video Ahmed . You are 100% correct in ALL you said . I worked in dealer as a a parts guy for 40 years . A partial engine is the only way to go on this . Short block being installed at the dealer , and then hoping everything else is ok is a really bad idea !
So you seem like the perfect person to ask. It seems fair to assume that all Tundra's built from some point in Jan of 2024 have the new block AND #1 and #4 bearing. The later #1 and #4 bearing replacement part number would for the new block assemblies. I am already seeing people in the Tundra forum saying that the factory builds will not be right until after some time in April of 2024 which is not the takeaway in my opinion. Thoughts on there two dates?
@@chadmccown4027 I am just saying that to send out a short block , and have a tech install the other used parts from the bad engine is not a good idea . Some techs are not that qualified for this job. Regardless of when the block was manufactured .
@@zonie70but it sounds like they’re going to get plenty of experience doing this warranty work.
@@axelknutt5065 I wouldn't want to be the guinea pig on that repair job....I suspect there will be plenty of leftover parts and screws when the "repair" is done!!!!
“Car care nut” is worth his weight in gold! I wouldn’t trust anyone else’s information and advice. 👍🏻🇨🇦
Flattery will get you nowhere!
I have been working on and selling parts for turbocharged Toyota engines for over 20 years. If this is an engine machining debris problem, or main bearing clearance issue is causing the failures, the turbochargers will also fail from oil debris, and the cam journals will have scoring. There is no way to properly fix a problem caused by metal debris in the oil by just replacing the shortblock assembly! Also, there is no way 100,000 shortblocks will get replaced by dealership techs without a large percentage of those engines developing turbocharger failures and cylinder head issues soon after!
Are we looking at some of the #1 bearings have manufactured problems and some don't, as in machining, out of round or what ever, not debris floating around from new?
I work at a Dealer. The current fix is new short block. New heads, valves, Adjuster rockers arm, cam housings, new cams chains guide tensioners gear. Bolts. New oil cooler new vacuum pump, new turbos, oil lines. Valve covers. Anything that touches oil basically. Would be easier to get a long block ready to go. Warranty paid about 26 hours for the rebuild. We've had also had turbo issues on 2 other tundras without any other engine issues. We've had 3 engine failures at my small dealer.
@Brennen666CA that is a lot more thorough than when I was expecting. Given the scale of this issue, it's kind of crazy that they're putting it all on you guys to do 26 hours of warranty work on every single one.
My 2022 TUNDRA engine stoped rotating at 27k miles. I used to have racing cars and assembled and disassembled engines lot of times and know enough to understand that with this kind of failure there should be bearing particles everywhere in the engine. The dealer said they were going to replace the broken parts. I told them and called Toyota and told them I’m not taking that truck back if they don’t put a complete new engine. I won’t take the risk of something else already effected by the present failure fails right after warranty ends. I’m waiting for news from the dealer.
keep
us apprised. i’m very curious how Toyota handles this.
Unfortunately you have a 22 truck with 27k....
Thats not how it works and Toyota knows that too. Youre on the hook financially whether you put your foot down and gruff or not. Whether they do a new short block or throw parts at your motor isnt affected by that threat.....
BMW S54 and S65 engine owners, Porsche M96 engine owners, we meet again. Now let's please welcome all Tundra V35A engine owners to the support group. 💕
And yet Toyota is using BMW engines in their Supra. Crazy
@@bmwlane8834B58 is way better than this Toyota V6TT engine.
@@jonathanyin739oh lord, I can assure you it is not. There has not been a BMW engine produced in the last 20 years that can even compare to the durability and reliability of Toyota engines. Sure the BMW engines are fun to drive, but for people looking for a vehicle that can deliver 250-350k miles of low cost ownership…people are not looking to anything German. My family drove German cars through the mid 90s, then we rapidly left and went Lexus. Not even close. I reserve German for weekend cars, that’s really what they are meant for.
@@hokie9910
The B58 and S58 have already proven more reliable than the V35A.
@@TXJ232 The 5.7 I force V8 had early on issues, they were fixed and is now known as one of the most reliable v8s of all time. Let’s see what the next several years brings, but if history tells us anything it will most likely not be a German engine.
I have a 2022 Tundra 1794 Edition. I now have 60,000 miles on it with no issues. One can only hope.
Your engine is the I-Force Max, which is not affected by this issue...
@@mikelevitt7365yes it is. They aren’t part of the safety recall because the hybrid gives enough power to get off the road. The engines are made in the exact same plant. Look at the Google sheet and you can see hybrids failing too.
@@mikelevitt7365Same engine though. Odds are they will eventually be added. Main reason they aren’t already is the hybrid motor will get you off the highway in an emergency
You very well be in the clear. I agree with the Car Care Nut that owners should sit tight. The situation will only get better from here.
Past the 100k threshold, you'll be ok
All the other youtube videos about the recall doesn't matter, this is the only video you need to watch.
Except for the boner pill commercials, I know I’m not the only one that’s sick of seeing them!
This guy makes other car review shows look like a joke. Like other shows will basically just read the spec sheet, and tell you how it drives and price. These reviews are so damn indepth and actually give you practical design knowledge about the vehicle. Bravo, subscribed.
As an owner of a 24 I-force. Max. Great video, thank you! Congrats on your new 1794 LE She’s beautiful!!! Here’s to just enjoying the trucks
Another masterful tutorial - even for those of us who never owned a Toyota, truck or otherwise, and may never own one. As always, your knowledge, experience, and integrity put you in a class by yourself. All the best to you and your family.
Why are you buttering up strangers online? Are you hoping they will send you money?
Watched him everything he said about my 2003 Toyota Camry I looked at and he was right thanks to him I’m hoping to get 400,000 miles out of it at 301,890 now thank you for your honesty and knowledge
What’s the purpose of putting thousands into a car with that many miles. I know you’re going to say your car hasn’t had an issue. All Toyota fanboys do. But in reality your transmission is slipping and you burn 2 quarts of oil a week. Your interior has more cracks than Hunter Biden. And your paint is scratched to hell.
Still beats a new car payment!
@@tomdurkins This comment is hilarious hunter biden lol but let me say this... I own a florist so I have a fleet of 7 cars. 2 of them are toyota siennas. They are both old one of them has 360,000 miles In the last 150K of it I dont even think I spent $2,500 on repairs I do alot of the work my self but have a good mobile mechanic. In the last 150K all I can remember besides basic maintenance is (spark plugs, valve cover gaskets, timing belt, 2 drive belts, water pump, lower control arms and radiator) 2004 toyota sienna still runs good original engine and transmission. (Yes the trans does slip a little probably because I have never serviced it) The engine burns 1 quart every 3,000 miles which isnt bad for 360K
My son inlaw asked me what is the most practical, reliable vehicle to get for a growing family. I said get a 2004 Toyota sienna from original owner with dealer maintenance
@@PeterHernandez-lg2eh it is extremely reliable
refreshing to see someone who is actually interested in facts and not echoing fear and speculation
Thank you AMD, I along with many other 22 thru 24 Tundra owners have been waiting for your opinion on this very important Toyota recall, most of us now through this video are able to at least start to understand what is going on with our trucks. Thank you again and now we wait for our letters from Toyota and hoping for the best.
Toyota needs to follow this man's advice. Great explanation on the problem and I loved how at the end how he directly spoke to Toyota. My next door neighbor is a Toyota tech and he has shown me pictures of cabs off the frame Tundras. I couldn't help but feel sorry for the owner whose $60k truck had to be completely disassembled. I really considered buying a Toyota, but held off based on everything going on. I want to see how Toyota and their dealers are going to handle this.
Literally this is the only source of truth anyone should listen to on the internet. Ignore all other UA-camrs ASAP. My 2024 Platinum has been great so far. Will keep an ear out if it ever gets included into the recall.
Stop glazing.
😂😂😂
Flattery like this is embarrassing.
I'm a 2024 4Runner owner, but I love this guy's videos, so here I am watching a video that has no bearing on my vehicle. I'm learning a lot. I always learn a lot from AMD.
I bought my first Toyota, 2024 Tundra TRD OR. I have been watching the recall, I am not included right now, and appreciate your input. Love the channel and advice you give. Thanks and keep up the great work.
AMD, thank you for always being a true professional and voice of reason. I recently purchased a 1794 edition (which I love) and already own a GX460, RX350 and RAV4. I have complete faith that Toyota will do right by owners as they always have which is why they have such a loyal following. New product development in the auto industry is extremely complicated and mistakes can be made. Let’s give Toyota a chance to fix this. Many other automakers would have fought a voluntary recall but Toyota has been as transparent as possible.
And remember, they are Japanese. The most conservative of people.
Never put your faith in a multinational corporation run by fallible humans.
AMD is the ONLY youtuber that I will watch a 40 min video knowing I will not fast forward a second.
the jump cuts are funny- somone thought he got too off-point but we are ususally following right along anyway haha
@@dwgjr330 yes hehe!
Advanced Micro Devices?
Can’t argue with this. One of the few creators I forget that fast forward exists on.
finally, someone who makes sense of the whole problem. Too many videos of people who just want to hate, and make it sound like they know what they are talking about. All auto makers are not making good products right now.
This channel has been helpful for me, I’m not a Toyota fanatic but my wife’s little 2018 Corolla is a great car much better than the 2016 I had. Unfortunately for Toyota fanatics I think this time Toyota is in a lot of trouble and it’s gonna be different this time
Toyota will make it right. Just like the last huge recall for sticking throttles. It was BS, because the floor mat getting under the gas pedal that was causing the problem and not the throttle pedal. They replaced it anyway.
I'm an engineer in a large engine plant, and he is correct: The people who build these engines are not "engine builders," just factory workers with little or no previous experience. They are given digital work instructions that shows them where to put a bolt, etc. If that bolt has the wrong thread pitch, they may still put it on anyway. Unfortunately that's the world we live in now, people in general don't take pride or passion in their work like they used to.
They are not paid enough to care unfortunately. If the whole modus operandi of a company is to cut costs to the bone why would a marginally paid worker go above and beyond the bare minimum to stay employed.
No. They are drones in the corporate culture.
It's all about money at the end of the day
Probably have robots doing the job
Because $40 an hour isn't enough?
You addressed that spot-on Ahmed! WOW! You walked right thru the "minefield" and emerged without a scratch! You have such gifts! You should be TEACHING AT TOYOTA UNIVERSITY!! I love that you turn wrenches exceedingly well, but you have higher God-Given Gifts! I agree that TOYOTA should hire you>>You understand brand loyalty & what it takes to retain that LOYALTY! Be Well and May The Lord Bless & Keep YOU, Sir!
I worked in dealerships for the first 15 years of my 35 years as a mechanic and I still think the manufacturers screw the mechanics on warranty times. People expect the mechanics to take their time and make everything perfect but the warranty book times basically turn every job into an olympic event or something. If you don’t want to starve you better haul ass and hope for the best! It’s a whole lot better away from the dealership and factory warranty circus
yep. former dealership tech. I know damn well they are going to pay the tech so little to rebuild this engine that he will have to flatrate the sht out of it.
As a Toyota technician, this is exactly what I hoped to see from you AMD. I am crossing my fingers and toes that the replacement engines are long blocks at least. These engines are like an onion, so many layers, and they have an absolutely huge amount of coolant and oil passages.
Agreed, they need to make it easy for you guys to replace if its so many trucks out there and to keep the customer without the truck for a long period too.
@@killabanditdude we have 9 here at my dealer that needs a engine 😂
@@Mk4.Donnnn yeah thats not good. I hope mine doesn't sit long when they do it if it needs it.
You need to rip the body off of the frame to replace the engine.
Toyota techs have job security on the bright side😂
@@Mr-Clarklots of OT for Christmas 🎄
This man enjoys talking , He is good at it ,He is a joy to listen to .
Much better than screaming Scotty
At 1.5x speed. Talks too slow for me normal
The biggest thing is he KNOWS WHAT he's talking about...not just rattling off a bunch of nonsense.
@@rossjohnson2478 yeah dude i gave up on Scotty long ago; he was exhausting!
Well, the first part is true
So crazy to see how much your channel has grown. Much well deserved!
This dude knows too much, it’s crazy how he breaks down issues that are complex as heck for normal dudes like me. Btw I watch the whole video & still want it to listen more
I worked in VW and Audi service when there were 1.8T issues in the Passat and A4. There were vehicles barely making it out of the dealership with the short block assembly lunching their turbos.. I worked in Mercedes service when they had sludge issues with the 98-01 engines. That oil with "forbidden glitter" is sitting everywhere the oil flows. Replacing the short-block only is pretty much a temporary fix.
I went to our local dealer Jeff Hunter Toyota, here in Waco TX. The service manager said he had quite a few Tundras returned with engine failure. He told me the oil feed passages were not completely machined. Many of the trucks had just a pin hole feeding the engine’s components. He said he would not even consider purchasing a new Tundra. The cost of the short block, covered by the warranty currently, is $21,000! That is a big hit! Crazy!!
That’s insane! I knew these turbo V6s would have problems, but I didn’t ever imagine they’d arise so soon.
So you predicted that they wouldn't be machined properly? @@aliciaserrano9698
I usually prefer to buy the last year of a discontinued model. All the bugs are fixed and the price is discounted because the dealers are emptying the lot in anticipation of the new model. Plus the technicians all know the ins and outs of working on them. You might disagree, but this has worked for me for the last 50 years. My newest car is a 2022 Avalon Limited (non-hybrid).
Yep. I did the same thing. Wait until no one wants the old last year model.
Not just that, but if you wait until a few weeks before the next model arrives at the dealerships, you can often get a pretty good deal because dealers don't want older models competing with the new ones. They also know smart buyers like you want a car that has been debugged.
Yep I feel that way with my 2019 Pro 4X Frontier. Last year of the VQ 40 5 speed. Port injected without the active learning transmission BS. Solid state head unit with analog gauges. Only has rear back up sensors. Hydraulic steering. And not a single problem in 6 years. Only one recall to adjust back up lines on rear backup camera.
Same thing here: bought last model year 2017 XLE Camry with leather and all the buttons a month before the new 2018 refresh models arrived. Not a single issue.
Agreed! I bought that last of the Highlander V6. 2022. Tried and true with years of bug fixes. No vehicle is perfect but one can reduce the issues. PS AMD aka TCCN is spot on. Wise words.
Honest, sensible talk without heavy metal theme music shredding in the background. No fanboy bias either making excuses for Saint Toyota. Refreshing. This is old school shop talk.
I think that you are the wizard of Toyota’s and I love your all your videos but there are engine builders and really great mechanics out there that don’t owe Toyotas and some of these very experienced people are just giving their opinion about what is going on and it is not good to say anything about somebody that doesn’t own a Toyota should not speak their mind on what may or may not happen , I am just giving you my thoughts and opinions so don’t hurt the messenger. I will always think and know that you are the wizard of Toyotas
I am an affected owner. I appreciate this video in its entirety. First time viwer and subscribed. Thank you again.
My wife and I own a 2002 Limited 4x4 4runner with 236k miles and a 2006 Tacoma Prerunner with 283k miles. I will do maintenance and fix whatever needs to be fixed before I spend $80K+ on one of these new Yotas.
Does your prerunner have the 6 or 4 cyl engine? Debating which to buy?
@@marcpikas2859 1GR-FE, 4.0 V6. It's been an amazing and very reliable engine. 👍🏻
@@marcpikas2859 1GR-FE 4.0 V6. It's been a very reliable engine. 👍🏻
i worked in manufacturing for many years. when a problem like this came about it was always look for someone to blame first then the cause. i hope they put a complete new engine in these trucks so the techs don't get the blame . good techs are harder and harder to find
Thank you CarCareNut. I have been watching all your videos from your home garage to the point where you are today. I learned from you a lot.
I own 2022 Tundra and today I was finally able to get a good analysis of the situation without any bias.
You are doing an amazing work. I was at the dealer the other day and mentioned your name and they know you and they watch your videos. 🤓
I am truly hopping Toyota will get it done right. No partial bs fix. Change my engine and give me extended warranty.
My experience with a Toyota recall is with a 2006 Corolla airbags. Toyota made it right, but it took two visits to the dealer and several years to accomplish. Toyota is still the best, and I hope everything works out for the best . . .
The difference is the corolla was not $80k.
Takata air bags affected millions of vehicles from different manufacturers
@@PeterHernandez-lg2ehonly affected cheap cars, because it was the cheapest air bag sold.
If that’s the Takata Airbag Recall then that affected nearly every car on the road. From cheap Corolla’s to LaFerrari were all affected by that.
Rumours are it is so bad that they are changing the name from V35A-FTS to V35A-FFS.
Well done!
I see what you did there
I heard V35A-666
hahaha
V35A-MAX
I have a 2022, received it early February. I changed the oil around the first 2K miles myself. I just broke 20K miles, I'm going on next week to service about 3 recalls. I think one is the parking brake, transmission possible issue, fuel filler part. Oil pressure responds on demand needs. I love my truck, I hope it last me 500K miles. I've had about 3 past recoils that was serviced a while back, yes a few flaws like rattling center console buttons, rear window seals don't meet all the way (the internals have drains at the bottom, so no concern there). I'd hate to have a tech rip it apart for a turbo or engine bearing failure but I'd still keep it. I made a sweet deal at the dealer with my Denali that I had 6 years of constant issues, (transmission the biggest one) I ended getting the 125K warranty 8 years because the truck was a completely new design. I hope toyota resolves this issue as everything else they've done in the past, hope it isn't as bad as it looks in the internet. Things happen, this engine design has a ton of technology in it and designed and tested to 3 to 5 million miles before failure, so I'd think if it is good then it will last longer than the truck itself in theory. hope I don't eat my words, LOL!
My buddy's 22 sr5 engine blew at 22k. With in the first year. Oil pump failed. Is what they said. He sold it and bought a 23
I'm on my 13th Toyota and specifically purchased two of the last V8 Tundras, plus a 23 gx 460, to avoid the certain bumps that the new v6TT engines would inevitably have. I love Toyota but even they can't get an entirely new powertrain perfect in the first couple of years. I expect Toyota will make it right and then get it right, but for truck owners now this is limited comfort. Some of my first gen Tundras had frame issues but Toyota made it right. This new problem is more complicated of course.
After owning a 4th gen 4Runner v8 and a 5th gen 4Runner…I did exactly what CCN did and picked up a 2023 GX. Old design but bulletproof!
Probably you are enjoying visiting gas stations.
@@dmitripetrov5536 why are you here? You think v6 turbos get better mileage? You found the wrong video buddy. Perhaps use search for a Prius. This video is about reliability. Btw - I love gas stations, I own a hemi too…I drive everyday like I stole it.
@@dmitripetrov5536who TF buys these vehicles thinking about gas mileage 😂
A lot of people are hampering on Toyota but I gotta say, I’m not even a Toyota fan at all but they are on top of this asap. Really upholding their reputation.
Many brands just let things happen and make customers fight for recalls and fixes. It’s still bad it’s happening, but at least they are on top of it.
Crap happens, but as long as i know, Toyota has always stood behind their products. Dealers are other way arround they ll find anything to tell you its "Normal ".
This guy is the King!!! Forget about nice screen, to the door panel and twinkies twinkies !!! He go exactly to the problem, causes and solutions. Thanks for all the knowledge and mecanic data!!!
As an Aviation Electrical Engineer! Well thought out and factual presentation! From during Engineering Investigations in the government, you hit on some good key points in determining “Root Cause Analysis”!
Most people are just mad about the reduction in cylinders and the increase in price and see anything negative as an opportunity to vent. I appreciate your videos!
Nothing more true has ever been said about this whole issue!
So having a brand new engine that goes south is a negative in your opinion?
@MHolt-yq5vg cool story bro
@@Moondoggy1941 yep
32k for a new motor in these.😂😂😂 out of warranty I wouldn’t want one even if it was fine. Basically becomes an ev, wouldn’t be worth fixing.
Dude. This was so much more informative and well studied than I expected. Well done!
Folks over at the Gx550 forums brought me here.
This is an excellent video. I'm a first time Toyota Tacoma owner also with a recall. I like the product, but the dealers are horrible. They are rude and greedy. Toyota let's this happen and does not address the issue. Do they act on the surveys? No not that I've seen.
You did it, I knew your explanation would be the most unbiased and fact based in youtube. I wish I could like this video more than once. Definitely a subscriber now
Meanwhile the 38 year old 22RE in my 1986 4Runner is chugging along smoothly.
One of the best years to own.
Efficient. Doesn't even need to be recycled It just keeps going. How green can you get.
I put 600k on that engine in a pick up.
Had to do a head job twice , rebuild the 5 speed trans once, and replace the transfer case once.
Biggest issue I had with that engine was starters. But since it was a 5 speed just parked on a hill all the time, lmao
@@Icoach4free
Starters or the starter solenoid contacts?
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk Starters. Took me a few years to figure out the bell housing was cracked, so the starter didn’t line up correctly so it would eat up the starter in just a few months. I had bought the “Lifetime” warranty Autozone reman starter and after about the fifth one they wouldn’t give me anymore, lol
The most honest and factual review of the current engine situation. 👍
Facts can only support a good argument but they ain't no substitute.
@@worldhello1234 WHAT!?
Toyota intern here. I was interning as an entry level tech through my school’s ASE program and had the opportunity to tear down one of these engines with a MDT. The failure on the engine I worked on was the rear main seal had walked itself out due to lack of support and adequate adhesion, but I have also heard claims of manufacturing material being left in the block causing problems with lubrication as well.
We bought my wife a 2024 Tundra at the end of 2023. At 500 miles we had the dealer change the oil. Then we had them change it again at 4000. We got the extended warranty from Toyota. We'll see. Previously she had a 2021 Ford F150 2.7 Ecoboost. We didn't get extended warranty because we had never used the extended warranties we had bought in the past. As soon as the truck went off warranty all sorts of electrical gremlins appeared: It would say the anti-lock had failed, then it would say the traction control had failed, etc. Dealer couldn't isolate the problem. Basically said, "well we can replace this module for $9500, if that doesn't fix it there is another module we can replace for $8000, but we can't guarantee either of those will fix the problems." Ford said the same thing. For some reason (DEI?) the auto manufacturers are producing vehicles that are too complicated or are not sufficiently tested.
Maybe I'm being too judgemental but I don't think the dealer tried very hard to diagnose the issue. There are certainly mechanics out there who are determined and knowledgable enough to trace down an issue without using the parts cannon and wasting a ton of money.
It's not DEI dude lol is that what you think is responsible for all the ills of society? It's an incompetent dealership trying to rob you which is a tale as old as time.
@@GixxerRider1991 You have no data to back up your claim and nowhere did I say that DEI is responsible for all the ills of society. Note I wrote DEI ? It is one possible explanation as is yours. Notice however I also noted that Ford could not explain it either when the dealer pushed it up the line so it was not just the dealer. Try not to launch into hyperbole where you imagine people's motivations.
I'm glad to see that someone has finally got to the bottom of these 2.7 EcoBoost issues. Turns out it was D.E.I. Who knew!? /s🤣
Stay away from turbo chargers they just shorten the life of your engine😂
I'm so glad you announced that you are one of us....
Trust Ahmed with his honesty
You are hands down the best in the industry. Great job explaining the possibilities of what is causing the engine failure.
Thanks for being the voice of reason. This, and Tinkerers Adventure are the only channels I put any faith in, the others are all clickbait and fluff who design content with clicks in mind, not actual facts and data.
That's one of the reason AMD's channel has grown so fast
I'm keeping my 1st gen and 3rd gen Tacoma. If folks are going to want a v8, get a Nissan Titan. The Frontier is a great alternative and much cheaper -- with a v6. If I'm in the market today, that's what I get. Nissan have those engines for a long time now and they are solid. Dont confuse that with their crappy CVT.
The bummer is this is the last year for their v8 monster titan.
The V8 titans make these engines look simple…
There's a difference between "cheap" and "inexpensive". The Frontier is far less expensive while being equally well made.
With Nissan the engine is usually the least of your problems.
In the shop I worked in for several years. The boss bought a 2022 Titan V8. The engine lasted 17.000K before it started hammering. There was a production problem with the cylinder bores on several 1000 engines. There was NO crying from anyone and was replaced under warranty. The truck is a piece of junk anyway.
Toyota should send you a formal thank-you note and make TMMC a "Platinum Independent Service Facility" (or something to that effect, if there is such a thing). As a several-decades-long Toyota owner (currently Avalon and Camry), I appreciate your insight and, very importantly, your "stay calm" message - hearing that from you means more than it would from the manufacturer. I hope that Toyota executives will see this video and listen to your advice - honestly, I'd be surprised if they wouldn't at least take it into consideration.
As a technician who’s done this short block replacement, I completely agree with AMD.
I really hope Toyota gives engine assembly for the recall.
Otherwise Toyota will loose tons of certified techs, who’s skilled enough to do this complexed job. This short block job pays only 26hours and it takes master level techs 5 days (average I’m seeing in the dealership), engine assembly replacement can save a lot of techs out there and dealership productivity.
Having done warranty work as a Tier 1 supplier, it takes several months for a warranty claim to be completed. It goes like this.
Owner returns to dealership with an issue, dealership diagnoses the issue. If it’s big they submit the diagnosis to the OEM warranty center for approval to do the repair, if the dealership gets the approval they fix the vehicle.
Next the suspect components are sent to the OEM, they process them and notify the supplier. The supplier retrieves the component(s) and does the failure investigation. The supplier can then admit their component has suffered a failure, which makes the supplier responsible. Or. The supplier defends the component as it meets design specifications and preformed to design and contract. If this happens then the dispute is addressed. If the component is found to be the root cause then the supplier accepts responsibility. Then that responsibility goes back up the chain and eventually the supplier gets billed for the cost , them the OEM has their admin folks take their time to process all this because it’s money out, not in.
So yeah today’s available data is months behind real time conditions.
Every time I see your channel I'm impressed !
Thanks for the in-depth explanation of the issue. Always the best mechanic.
I have watched your channel for several months now. I purchased a 2020 4Runner at the beginning of this year and have been trying to learn how to best maintain it. THANK YOU for doing your channel. I agree with the other comments that complement you on your knowledge, your straight forward approach, and of course the detailed how to videos on maintaining Toyotas! Please keep it up !!
Just do not buy a new car release right away, wait for early improvements and fixes.
But Toyota is supposed to test and evaluate everything way before it comes out to the public they're slipping they're cutting corners and they're going to lose customers not only with the quality going down but also with the Sky High pricing they have now
That’s what Scotty Kilmer always says. “Never buy Year One”
That applies to a lot of situations: same with not buying a new house during a boom between likely overpaying, builders cutting corners or merely hiring inexperienced people versus the seasoned people they keep around when business conditions are bad
Toyota’s reputation has always been ‘boring but reliable.’ You shouldn’t have to wait for “early improvements and fixes.”
@@jonathanbairdplease don’t be ignorant
Our son worked on a Japanese company assembly line located in the southeast and the pressure they applied to keep the line moving was surprising.
Quality has always been a management decision.
@Zeus-dw1cx finally someone gets it!
Best source for Toyota on UA-cam. Period!
Nicely said! I do agree with you. Toyota owners be patient. Like I said in other videos, we have own Toyota since 1972. I have a 2014 rav4 pearl white. For some reason there was a batch of Toyota rav4 that the paint started coming off by big chunks. Toyota actually issue an extended warranty on the paint. Toyota painted my rav4 and I am happy Toyota did this. It took 10 months but everything turned out right. I do believe Toyota takes care of Toyota owners. If you have an issue with your tundra, be patient and reach out to your local dealer. They will sort out the warranty for your car. Good luck 😊
My 2016 rav4 had the same issue with the paint. Took a while but Toyota made it good. I will say this car had a build issue shared by other owners (rear taillights fogging prematurely). They really didn’t want to fix it. My dealership took care of it because between me and my family we have bought 8 cars from them.