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2019 R nineT vs R nineT Pure | which should you buy?
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- Опубліковано 29 лис 2019
- What are you actually sacrificing if you go for the R nineT Pure instead of its more expensive sibling?
Short of a few visual cues it's largely the same machine where it matters (that being the characterful boxer twin they are so well known for).
In real world conditions I highly doubt you'll notice much disparity in braking or cornering stability.
Either way you go, this is a timeless and reliable staple for the modern classic range.
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Very nice review! For those who are interested. The USD forks of the standard RnineT might be a bit better for heavier riders or sportier riding styles. The pure is quite soft but enough for sporty cruising. I personally prefer it (and bought it) for the grey paint the single speedometer and the looks of the classic forks (I’m not too much into gold/kashima). The rest is up to your preferences! Greetings from Germany!
i think we need more youtubers like you advocating for not testing the top speed. I've done stupid things in the past and I'm glad I'm here writing comments, I know a few people who weren't so lucky. Enjoy these machines and ride safe.
Thanks, hope you still manage to get the thrills at lower speeds mate.
@@RarefiedRoad Thank you. Yeah, i do on a harley sportster 48. I started to consider adding a R nine T or a XSR 900, which is how I stumbled upon your video. Once again thanks for making such wonderful videos. Ride safe.
Gets more looks than any other bike and it never fails to make you smile. I'll never get rid of mine
Fair, honest and insightful review. I have a 2020 BMW NineT Pure with spoke wheels and aluminum tank. I really like it. For me, the seat is fine for rides up to 3-4 hrs. I have another bike for long trips. This bike is responsive and really fun to ride.
As a current V7III owner, considering this bike, I really appreciate your comments on your riding experience! Excellent review, subscribed!
The marketing genius behind the R nine T ought to be given an award for design, not because it’s an innovative design, but because its design defines innovative marketing. I’ve ridden many bikes for many years and this one is certainly fun - that cannot be said for a lot of bikes out there; the balance between functional and fun is hard to strike. All that said, unless your pennies don’t matter, if I wanted to own an R nine T I’d walk quickly by the dealership and buy one that’s been gently used and fully farkled. In that category, there’s some phenomenal deals out there . . .
I secretly yearn for an R nine T, but am afraid to admit it to myself.😂
Captain Average I keep telling ppl this is my dream bike
Haha you're not the only one!
thanks for the effort and sharing. i will be demoing a 2020 version this weekend. looking forward to a boxer engine ride, especially coming from my 2013 Yamaha FJR1300! thumbs up.
I got the Pure Sport which adds the wire wheels and heated grips. Good for customising or just keeping it simple. Exhaust sounds amazing even on this base model.
Does the Sport have Traction control?
Yes
The Classic Roadster R nineT has fully adjustable USD forks, adjustable (preload and rebound) rear shock, radially mounted Brembo monoblock brakes, more comprehensive instrumentation, stainless spoked wheels and a brushed aluminium two-tone fuel tank. Spec wise, it is a MUCH better machine (albeit more expensive) than the budget option Pure version which has none of the above.
I love the R nine platform, but the price is just...over the top for what it is.
Great review, I am saving my money to get one....Thanks for sharing.
I've never been a fan of the BMW twin look but they do sound good. Thanks for the review.
That they do. Handle really well too.
I love these and now so much choice in the R nine line up!
Excellent video. I sorely wish I lived in such a beautiful place. I have long been a fan of the r9t and the 2021 models look nicer than ever. I recently bought a Ducati Scambler and commute for 40 minutes through central Paris and outskirts and the Ducati seems as good as it can get for the purposes but...I am tempted to switch to the r9t just because it is so beautiful, well crafted and reliable and looks more solid and connected than the Ducati, especially for motorway riding. Have you tried it in dense city traffic? I spend half the time filtering and I'm concerned that the extra weight and width would be a handicap. I am also trying to decide between the classic and the Pure models. I think I will go for the latter with a few tweaks as I prefer the colour of the forks and doubt I would really notice the handling benefits of the S1000r ones. Keep up the good work!
I wish this color will come to India..... I'm in love with this color scheme...😍😍
great review mate,pointing all the important things
Excellent review. Good points about anything past 100mph you're chin to chest and no point. Also you said, the fact that nothing stood out about the controls, meaning nothing hideously wrong and if you can forget about the bike that's generally a good thing. From those words I trust your reviews. I'm subscribed.
Thank you, glad you liked it.
I'd go for the RNineT every time, much better suspension, brakes etc...and I prefer the twin clocks.
Great review. Love the R nineT.
Thanks
Thanks for this review bro. I’m very interested in the pure
I have ridden both.
Personally, I would spend a bit more and get the nineT.
The Pure has a budget suspension, and gets very bouncy when ridden hard in bends.
It also has conventional RWU forks, and dives more under hard breaking.
Ok, the nineT is more money, but you get a lot more for it.
Looks great with the 719 paint option.
I probably would too. Actually thinking about it while editing, if you were to add on all the stuff you get for the extra money seperatley it would cost you a lot more and to be honest I probably would want a lot of the extras they include.
I have other bikes in the garage to ride , and they are all great motorcycles, but my 2015 R9T might be my favorite. Such a great bike all around and looks amazing , so customizeable , best bike for the city in my opinion. I think the power and torque is pretty good especially for the way the bike is set up. you just need more time on it and go back and forth between that bike and a few others to really appreciate the nine T. BMW nailed it with the R9T. Check it out.
ive had the r nine t roadster since 2014 and you cant go wrong with this machine .... its looks are timeless and the overall quality of the is amazing, the only reason to stay away from the pure is the front forks, ive ridden both and the gold s1000 forks are far superior.
They're pretty decent money second hand too.
Wise words about speed, you'll live long and prosper!
Thanks, I hope so 👍
A very entertaining review, keep it up.
Thanks
The problem with boxer is that the COG changes as you tip the bike side to side while walking the bike. When it goes, it goes very beautifully, plenty of power and torque, but you have to rev it e bit. My experience is with the racer, and it has traction control which BMW calls it ASR.
Nice bike like the paint job great video 🇬🇧👍
I've got am R1100S. Pretty similar, I do miss being able to pull wheelies. A radiator and more power would be awesome The price you pay for a shaft drive.......
Still my favorite BMW
I ride a ‘99
110hp and 200kmh. Nearly as fast as my 1978 R100😁. Good review, I’d have one if money was no object, but my 78 looks like a close match!
@Mike Clarkson I think the smiley 😃 face is a give away Mike!
@Mike Clarkson the smiley face!
I ride a ‘99 r1100s which I love
But the R9T option 719 is on the horizon
Only 150,000 miles to go before I need a new bike.
A word to the new BMW buyer
You better like the way it looks, because it WILL be around well past the current style. As I said earlier, my bike is 21 years old, shows NO signs of issues heading my way. This bike, which I rode and absolutely loved, is built as good if not better than mine.
You will like your new BMW I promise
you forgot one big thing the R nine T has the S1000R inverted fork fully adjustable , the Pure just have traditional fork non adjustabl and thats a BIG BIG difference
Fitting an aftermarket fork cartridge made me realise how seriously bad the "S1000R" oem forks are.
Very honest review.
I love my R nineT...the akra sound makes me want to ride everyday!
Good review. When money is a factor, it seems that Speed Twin is better option.
If I had the money I'd definitely go for the pure and spend the money on custom parts.
Hi. Thanks for your reviews. I own Triumph Trident and I’m going to buy something bigger. R9T is my first choice. I’m your height and already tested Urban GS . That was superb experience. I’d like to ask if you had any experience with Yamaha XSR 900 which is my second choice. Can you compare or do you have and thoughts about them? Many thanks
Im 6ft1 (187cm) i am worried its gonna be too small for me... i love the bike otherwise. What would you say about the scrambler?
Ah Air cooled twins are tight!
I had the pure in Hong Kong but I had to get rid of it after it kept getting stuck wedged between rickshaws in heavy traffic
Great review, starting to get more and more interested in this bike
I am thinking of getting one in a couple of years when I get my full license but there are some things I’m concerned about
I’m a relatively short guy, around 1,67m (5 foot 7) so I’m afraid I’ll struggle to reach the floor probably, do you think that’s a problem on this bike?
Also worried about wherever I’ll be able to handle the weight of the bike itself, is it something really noticeable when riding around or not much?
Again thanks for the review
Height won't be a problem. It's actually a lot shorter than some of its Japanese competition so you should be OK. And the weight is rarely an issue when riding. You'll only notice it when you're parking it.
Rarefied Road Well I guess there’s no better way for me to find out than to do a test ride, but at least I can relax a bit more now
Thank you for your insight on these matters!
Hey man, no worries about your height. I would hit the gym a bit tho, do some running, or other leg exercises. When driving you won’t feel the weight. But indeed when parking or manouvring somehow. Or even falling , you need to be strong enough to hold the bike. Counts for every other bike too.
With regards to smooth and quick gear changes just apply a small amount of upward pressure on the shifter and it will pop nicely into gear when you pull the clutch in. From neutral to 1st can be a bit of a bugger and you have to get a feel for using the clutch and throttle and is my only downside to the gearbox, otherwise beautifully smooth!
Thanks for the advice
I reckon your reviewing has come on a lot since I first watched one of your videos.
Strangely enough, my K1300S is in getting a service and what do you think I got for a courtesy bike? The R nine T. Probably because I downloaded the brochure off the web and they got my personal stuff :) Cheeky bastards. So, if I may, a brief comparison. Nowhere near the sting the K1300S has but not shabby either. Very thing is down low, where as the K1300S has it everywhere. Lighter, I'm 170 cm/5' 6" and that makes a difference. I can do more than 2,000 km's on a road trip. The R nine T would probably handle it ok but I really pack up the K1300S, tent, sleeping bag, etc. That would have to be put the the test. It is bloody lovely, a lot more relaxed than the K1300S. Probably not a bad thing.
Lovely bikes. But they're not Grisos...Speaking of which?
Yeah I know. It's the next edit I swear.
Love the looks of the R9T in the diffirrent versions...but since I’m 6”7 it’s a no-go! I have to settle with a R-GSA 😉
Made a testride. These RnineT bikes are really for very small people. To bad because I liked them on paper. BMW used to make bikes for north-european guys, but there is a bigger market for smaller men all over the world.
@@LokkieF Hey, there are small north-european guys as well! We also want to have nice bikes ;)
I’ve seen your video on the new Triumph Speed Triple RS. I know these bikes aren’t in the same class but I did toy between the two. Like you, I love the look of the R nine T and also the boxer engine. How would you compare the two? Ride quality and handling more than power as that difference is obvious!!
I don't think there's much in it for handling but the speed triple is slightly more comfortable in the saddle and I personally felt more connected to it. But it would only be a small compromise in performance for me to go with the R nine T if you prefer the looks.
great review.... trying to decide between the pure and impure versions... like you said i can't tell much difference for the price so save some $$
Great review! As a former owner myself, you hit on many of the high points of the bike...particularly the super mechanical feel and liner power delivery.
Would love to see you you hop on a Triumph T120 soon...maybe do a roundup of the 1200(ish) bikes you've been on, similar to the comparison vid you made when shopping for your V7.
Thanks Shawn, good to know the review stands up. I'll most likely do a little roundup of similar bikes, I haven't ridden the T120 but I will be including the speed twin in its stead.
Yepppp retros should have twin clocks. Looks better.
My question is, is it a good idea to buy a full equipped Rnine T pure or base Rnine T, they're both at the same price
Nice jacket. What brand is it?
It's a Resergence riding shirt and an RSD Ringo vest.
I wish it had green red of this paint
It's a bike for small people. Made a testride. Much to small, not for people taller than 1,85 m. I feel like a giant, sitting on it. And expected a lot more from 110 hp. I stick to my trusty R100R.
Its a big fat bike
Are they your awards in the cabinet behind you?
Sure
What did you get the BAFTA for?
About 15 quid :)
Lovely review and hits me home too. I have been with the guzzi v7 iii in mind for a couple of years now. Now that its time to buy it, i tested also the nine t pure 2 weeks ago (as my friends keep telling me that after a while with the v7 i'd like to get something bigger.
I instantly liked the nine t ride, more muscular than the v7 and power. But the price puts me off considering all the extras i would add to make it look sexy. Im gonna go for the raw and vibrating v7 👍🏻.
Owning a v7 yourself, how would you compare it to the nine t? Do you feel he need to get something bigger like the ninet?
The BMW is definitely a faster bike, but it sort of depends on what you're looking for. To be completely honest I did feel the itch for a faster bike after a while of owning the V7 so I went for a Griso (very similar to the R nineT) but I genuinely feel like I made a bit of a mistake. Given real world conditions and when in the right mood I could be just as fast on the V7, again on normal roads. I took the same route home after riding this bike and honestly I didn't feel like I was missing out on the V7.
Guys I had the same argument while ago but I ended up with ducati scrambler 1100 sport it's more expensive than the guzzi and much stronger and its alot cheaper than r9t and weaker a bit
It's much fun and easier to drive than both bikes in top of that it's full of technology away than both bikes
BMW it's the most sexiest bike but price is a major factor
But for sure the next upgrade will be r9t nothing else
I never get fed up or wish for more power on my V7III Special not even on the motorway. Being a naked bike ( and that's the way I like em ) you will only be travelling up to a certain speed anyway, even tucked you get a beating at 90mph although 80 is fine. I won't be getting rid of my Guzzi anytime soon also it is a very good looking bike in my eyes.
1:28 in and im like okay I want one.
None of these two unless you need that front fork and bigger Brembo brakes for the T, which you really don't. The one you want is the Scrambler especially if you want to get closer to a classic look. I got mine at a really low price, the aluminium tank with the welding in the middle came with it and since I have upgraded to aluminium mirrors, added a skid plate, got ride off the big plasticky support of the rego plate for a side plate instead so my rear tyre is entirely visible and it looks like a killer. The front fork is good enough and the smaller Brembos are more than enough for this bike. Now, as always with BMW one thing comes to bite you: the retail price of their OEM parts is downright scandalous. You need a replacement battery? The OEM here in New Zealand will cost you NZD584 which corresponds to USD420 and say you also want the OEM float charger to maintain your battery lifespan for as long as possible, it will cost you NZD278 that's USD200. Now, I would guess because the USA is a far bigger market, you might be able to get these for a lower price but BMW being BMW... I am pretty sure their pricing are globally insane. That's the privilege of riding a BMW. Now there are alternatives at least for this type of parts that are way more acceptable. The second drawback is that the awesome design of the R NINE T comes at a price: maintenance is not easy. Changing the battery or recharging it for instance is quite a mission because the battery is located right under the big tank so be prepared to do a fair amount of dismantling or to pay a fortune at your BMW dealer. Did it deter me from buying one? No, absolutely not. For the price I got mine, I was in Japanese territory for smaller cc and far less character. The R NINE T regardless of the one you chose is an absolute blast of a ride. There are few R NINE T in New Zealand but hips of Triumph, none of which manage to get some attention quite like the BMW. The Scrambler besides produces a very deep rumble out of the Akrapovic double mufflers. It has definitely more presence than the other models. It is not raucous per se, but it sounds bad ass. It literally enhances the sound of the flat twin. Now if like me, you could not think less of the flat twin... let me say when you ride one it feels like riding an old aircraft from WWI and that's the flat twin for you. It has a very distinct sound.
Id like a bobber build
What year model is this? I want that bike with those gauges not the fused gauges with the LCD screen in the middle.
Well this one is a 2018/19 model but I think they changed the clocks from 2016 on
Wow, beautiful bike.
Is the throttle a little snatchy, or quick to accelerate as opposed to gradual?
I found it pretty gradual actually, nice smooth delivery
If you have ridden a street triple RS, how would you describe the two in terms of character?
Worlds apart. I haven't ridden the RS but I have ridden the R and a triple is so different to a twin it's unreal. As I say this is a pretty linear twin so it's smooth everywhere and probably a little softer on the throttle than the Triumph because the street triple feels alive and alert anywhere on the rev band and anywhere on the throttle if you want to go fast go for the Triumph. If you want to still go fast just not quite as fast and you sometimes want to chill out and enjoy the day then get the BMW.
Does the engine burn oil ?
This or a Griso v8 which one you would have?
Ahh see I'm going to have to betray my Moto Guzzi brethren and say the R nineT. More reliable than the 8V but I'd say the Moto Guzzi (assuming it's working well) is currently better value second hand than these.
I've never liked the sound of the BMW flat twin... it's more of a buzzy, monotone rumble, compared to a Triumph twin, or even an MT07 (with a nice exhaust)
"In case I wasn't clear, I liked it".
How tall are u?
How tall are you?
5 foot 10
El Pelon I’m 6’ 1” and find the pure very comfortable
Subscribing cause you went through marlow. I'll have to keep an eye out for you on the roads
Keep an eye out for a slightly shabby looking moto guzzi griso
@@RarefiedRoad will do fella
Ha ha, I spotted my old school.
The R nineT is a handsome machine that accommodates customization gracefully. That's irrefutable. But I also thoroughly disliked the one I test rode. A blurry line can exist between "characterful" and "agricultural," but this bike was squarely in the latter camp. It's distinct lack of refinement wasn't offset by its charm (unlike your Guzzi V7, which won me over after 20 minutes). It's also uncomfortable. Immediately after, I rode Triumph's new Speed Twin - an obvious peer - and there was no contest. The Speed Twin is unquestionably mechanical, but it accompanies this with a transmission that's a pleasure to shift and satisfying controls that are noticeably more precise. Pay more for an R nineT? Never.
I really like the speed twin. I think I prefer the engine character of the Triumph as well to be honest.
Cliff Richard !!!
R1250GS doesn’t use Brembo 😆
Alex LaJeunesse some do
Max Flight In what market? All 1250 bikes I’ve seen are Hayes calipers.
Alex , you are 100% correct ! I’ve just read a what’s app message from a friend ... apparently he has Brembo because he swapped them out from Hayes ! (I previously wasn’t aware that’s how he did it !)
you mean change down a gear : ) 1:31
Helmet camera only, front camera useless.
Well built and screwed together... Yamaha owners be like my whole bike is falling apart lol
5:18
I was expecting the R nine T and the Pure to each get 50% of this video. All that was shown of the Pure was a picture from BMWs website - no ride and no video. This was not a "Vs" video at all. Thumbs down!
Thanks. You get a thumbs up.
I am sick to death of having a reviewer talk about comfort...elude to the fact that your height may be different than his but he doesn't tell you his height. There are 9,999 review videos out there like this. GRADE: F
I'm 5'10'' does that move me up to a C?
You are “sick to death”? Drama queen has entered the chat room
I don't get it. I was expecting a comparison. It never happened so you don't know how the pure differs. Or doesn't. Your conclusion was ripped from your butt.
YUK!!! WHY WOULD YOU BUY THE UGLY DUCK OF ALL BIKES
That is a really ugly motorcycle. Really, really ugly.