I’m personally really happy to see they haven’t slackened the hell out of it, I made the mistake of going for a newer longer slacker bike and I hate it, bike is currently up for sale and I’m very interested in one of these, really good video, cheers!
Brilliant honest review and your a excellent rider 👍. The bikepark is amazing but the offpiste stuff on the opposite hills are amazing and pretty scary in places!!
Thanks! Great review of its type. We trust you and so your personal view is appreciated. First vid I’ve seen with one rider at Dyfi bike park and outside it the same W/E. You mentioned pivots coming loose. I’m not sure I agree to expect that at a hard hitting bike park over 2 days. I always check them, obvs: it’s just wise. Did you ask the Atherton crew about that?
Glad you enjoyed and trust the opinions! Whether or not it's expected or acceptable, there's very few bikes that stay firmly together after a couple of hard days bikepark lapping for me. I did indeed ask them, and they said it was down to a well used frame that "probably needed some loctite".
Amazing you did some gnarly terrain on the AM150.... It looked like you were under-biked a bit but maybe not. Now you need to go test the AM170 and give a real-life comparison with preference. Yo
The AM150 did a good job, but more travel would have allowed for faster attacking and perhaps some more confidence for the biggest jumps. We’d love to get on the 170, will do our best!
A single geometry figure doesn't ever define the riding characteristic of a bike. The other angles and dimensions contribute to offsetting the "steep" head angle and giving steering stability in other ways. But we appreciate everyone has their preferences and certain terrain and rider styles can benefit from a slacker angle. There's a lot of give and take in bike proportions.
To be honest I would prefer a steeper ST Angle ...HA is fine. I've ridden bikes with 65 ..63 HAs and honestly not huge difference if the Reach is progressive. The ST angle is a game changer though and makes a huge difference....78 compared to say 75 is massive for peddling power , efficiency.
@@daveandmerlin that's why road bikes come with 73 STA right? would you consider road race bikes as not being "efficient or powerful" ...its not just a few numbers. its the holistic package...
round carbon tubes and lugs, even when they are titanium and 3d printed are 30 years behind what can be done today with pure carbon fiber frames, it’s just a way to make it easier for a small company to,produce, sublime bikes, but that doesn’t mean they are better. search for pictures of the earliest LOOK carbon frames, that was exactly what they did
I actually have a 30+ year old Specialized Road Bike that's made of Carbon tubes glued together with Aluminum Lugs....Back then Carbon tubes were all the knew how to make....I used it for training racing XC Mt Bikes. This does look a nice bike though.... Still amazes me that these riders go out GLOVELESS....when your hands are the first things you use to break your fall...
While you can optimize the overall frame shape more with a pure carbon fiber frame, the intricacy you're able to deliver to the lugs with additive manufacturing is unmatched, to deal with the complex stress patterns from various different loads seen at the lugs. Between these areas of high, multidirectional stress, the "tubes" see fairly uniform loading point-to-point that can be handled quite efficiently by the round carbon fiber tubes. If the overall bike weight and feel is anything to go by, it's a competitive way to manufacture a bike when cost is taken out of the equation.
The quality of the tubes in terms of compaction and lay up is also far superior to most moulded carbon frames which when you look at them from the inside are full of folds, wrinkles and voids. This form of manufacturing is similar to using perfectly formed steel or Ti tubing so really appeals to the engineer types and those who appreciate quality over marketing.
@@TheLoamWolf I think you’re right. , for anyone who buys this bike ( unless you’re a World Cup contender) need to worry about how the frame is made and designed, I wouldn’t buy this bike and half way down the trail be thinking 🤔 mmm great bike but I’m not happy with the construction of the frame “!! People get so hung up about stuff when actually to ride this bike on the trails would probably be an absolute blast!!
But the Santa Cruz Nomad CCXO1 is £9499!!!! If you rode one and then rode the Atherton bike there’s no way on earth you would be thinking “ yes the extra £3000!! Was definitely worth it for the Nomad !! That’s just my opinion of course but personally I just can’t see how the Nomad is worth £9499 !
I’m personally really happy to see they haven’t slackened the hell out of it, I made the mistake of going for a newer longer slacker bike and I hate it, bike is currently up for sale and I’m very interested in one of these, really good video, cheers!
Brilliant honest review and your a excellent rider 👍. The bikepark is amazing but the offpiste stuff on the opposite hills are amazing and pretty scary in places!!
Great video Robert the steep enduro trails looked wicked
Thanks Korey! Those trails are incredible for sure.
Great vid.Good hear the word 'golly' used.Bike looked good,as did the trails.
Haha! True British profanities coming out when things get crazy. Bike and trails were indeed good!
@@TheLoamWolf How about a crikey next time.😀
Nice job man!
Thank you dude, glad you enjoyed!
Great vid, amazing bike.
Thanks for watching. It was a lot of fun to ride.
Thanks! Great review of its type. We trust you and so your personal view is appreciated. First vid I’ve seen with one rider at Dyfi bike park and outside it the same W/E. You mentioned pivots coming loose. I’m not sure I agree to expect that at a hard hitting bike park over 2 days. I always check them, obvs: it’s just wise. Did you ask the Atherton crew about that?
Glad you enjoyed and trust the opinions!
Whether or not it's expected or acceptable, there's very few bikes that stay firmly together after a couple of hard days bikepark lapping for me. I did indeed ask them, and they said it was down to a well used frame that "probably needed some loctite".
@@TheLoamWolf Thanks for taking time to get back and, concerning links, I’m just in the wrong league 🤣 And locktite’s a great product 🥳
Def under braked. Good review. Wanna order a frame only.
Amazing you did some gnarly terrain on the AM150.... It looked like you were under-biked a bit but maybe not. Now you need to go test the AM170 and give a real-life comparison with preference. Yo
The AM150 did a good job, but more travel would have allowed for faster attacking and perhaps some more confidence for the biggest jumps. We’d love to get on the 170, will do our best!
If it were 63 ht angle like enduro or transition I would buy it.
A single geometry figure doesn't ever define the riding characteristic of a bike. The other angles and dimensions contribute to offsetting the "steep" head angle and giving steering stability in other ways. But we appreciate everyone has their preferences and certain terrain and rider styles can benefit from a slacker angle. There's a lot of give and take in bike proportions.
I think that it is an outstanding bike.
Nobody is stopping you putting a 170mm fork in or an angleset. Tune it to suit your taste.
To be honest I would prefer a steeper ST Angle ...HA is fine. I've ridden bikes with 65 ..63 HAs and honestly not huge difference if the Reach is progressive. The ST angle is a game changer though and makes a huge difference....78 compared to say 75 is massive for peddling power , efficiency.
@@daveandmerlin that's why road bikes come with 73 STA right? would you consider road race bikes as not being "efficient or powerful" ...its not just a few numbers. its the holistic package...
round carbon tubes and lugs, even when they are titanium and 3d printed are 30 years behind what can be done today with pure carbon fiber frames, it’s just a way to make it easier for a small company to,produce, sublime bikes, but that doesn’t mean they are better. search for pictures of the earliest LOOK carbon frames, that was exactly what they did
I actually have a 30+ year old Specialized Road Bike that's made of Carbon tubes glued together with Aluminum Lugs....Back then Carbon tubes were all the knew how to make....I used it for training racing XC Mt Bikes. This does look a nice bike though.... Still amazes me that these riders go out GLOVELESS....when your hands are the first things you use to break your fall...
While you can optimize the overall frame shape more with a pure carbon fiber frame, the intricacy you're able to deliver to the lugs with additive manufacturing is unmatched, to deal with the complex stress patterns from various different loads seen at the lugs.
Between these areas of high, multidirectional stress, the "tubes" see fairly uniform loading point-to-point that can be handled quite efficiently by the round carbon fiber tubes.
If the overall bike weight and feel is anything to go by, it's a competitive way to manufacture a bike when cost is taken out of the equation.
The quality of the tubes in terms of compaction and lay up is also far superior to most moulded carbon frames which when you look at them from the inside are full of folds, wrinkles and voids. This form of manufacturing is similar to using perfectly formed steel or Ti tubing so really appeals to the engineer types and those who appreciate quality over marketing.
@@TheLoamWolf I think you’re right. , for anyone who buys this bike ( unless you’re a World Cup contender) need to worry about how the frame is made and designed, I wouldn’t buy this bike and half way down the trail be thinking 🤔 mmm great bike but I’m not happy with the construction of the frame “!! People get so hung up about stuff when actually to ride this bike on the trails would probably be an absolute blast!!
But the Santa Cruz Nomad CCXO1 is £9499!!!! If you rode one and then rode the Atherton bike there’s no way on earth you would be thinking “ yes the extra £3000!! Was definitely worth it for the Nomad !! That’s just my opinion of course but personally I just can’t see how the Nomad is worth £9499 !