Thanks for the feedback. I agree, bicycle security is an important topic that needs to be clearly explained without distraction. Glad you found this helpful.
One rarely mentioned feature that I love about the fully lock compact is that two or more can lock together which makes it really nice when I'm out for a ride with my wife. Two together provides a substantial length lock that's easy to lock two bikes with.
Thanks for taking the time to watch my latest review. Feel free to share any feedback you have on my testing procedure (I'll use it to improve future content). Here are links to both products featured in the review if you'd like to learn more [Amazon Affiliate Links]: - Foldylock Compact - amzn.to/3ZKaW8x - Kryptonite Kryptolok 685 - geni.us/V4vjy
All locks can be cut. The goal is to use several security features that will buy you time, in addition to other technical security features. Good Video!
Brilliant vid, awesome detail thanks, just what I was looking for. , what about forcing the locking mechanism apart, it looks like they use a different methods. could they be breached. Or just twisting the joints with a lever.
@@bikelockwiki The ABUS Bordo SmartX 6500 is interesting to me but I find it hard to justify it's price without seeing a very thorough review. I like the idea of alarms on locks these days and wish there were more options out there.
Been trying to find a good lock for a new ebike and discovered the Kryptonite folding lock. I owned a Kyrptonite lock back in the day so, I figured the new generation would hold up, but it looks like they have gotten a bit poorer in quality so, I may end up getting the U-Lock and the Boomerang anti-theft alert system if they ever come back in stock.
First! Just bought a Foldylock Compact of the same blue color last week to further complement my multi-lock setup with the the Mason U-lock and Viking Chain lock which makes it easy to color-code my different Seatylock keys on the same keychain! Has buttery-smooth locking mechanism like the other 2 locks. Great as a primary cafe lock and a fantastic secondary lock to secure my electric scooter for over an hour especially for my up and coming new Segway Ninebot F2 Pro e-scooter!
@@bikelockwikiI second that! I know you purchased one and look forward to future content. Thieves used one to steal my last bike. I just purchased a large Mason Hex Mason. I’d like to know if it will survive a hydraulic bolt cutter attack. Grinders are their own alarm. I can defend against them.
@@Doc.Holiday it definitely would survive against a standard hydraulic cutter. I’ve tested my recent cutters against a 5mm folding lock, and the cutter’s blades warped. I opted for a higher quality cutter as well 🤷🏻♂️ Could have been old blades. We shall find out how good hydraulic cutters actually are when I review the best cheap bike locks!
Thanks for the repeatable and thoughtful testing! Have you considered an impact wrench with the nut splitter? It would be an easy carry for a would-be thief, and would allow one hand to stabilize the lock while tightening with the impact wrench. I almost feel bad putting the idea out there, but it will be good to know if folding locks, even with rivet rings, can withstand an impact wrench
After doing this by hand, I don't think there'd be a cheap enough battery-powered wrench that could generate enough torque to break the rivet of a decent folding lock. Interesting idea, though, and one for the future. Currently, self-funding these tests is proving to be quite expensive!
@@bikelockwiki No worries, yes it's easy to see that all that good testing would get expensive. An impact wrench was top of mind because in the States we have a store called Harbor Freight, and I just got a 1000 Nm wrench for $50, but prob not available in other territories. Keep up the great work
Thanks for the video a great insight. I have just bought a Haibike e-bike and are looking to beef up my security and like the look of the foldylock at about £90 but it cut very easy with the angle grinder and spooked me . What lock would you recommend please
For an e-bike you’ll want a lock with the Sold Secure Powered Cycle Gold or Diamond rating. Personally I’d go for a grinder resistant lock like the LITELOK X1, but the ABUS 54 Mini may also be a good option.
I like that you used two different sizes of bolt cutters as I'm more worried about attacks with the smaller one, which I feel more thieves will carry. I see each as a different benchmark test that I care about. I might still buy a lock that the big one cut but the small one didn't, in some circumstances. With your hammer testing I feel most are going to direct their blows at the locking mechanism not the joints. I think this is true with all lock types. I would have liked to see a prying test especially with crowbars, used in pairs, that fit in a back pack at least or like with the bolt cutters the smaller and bigger ones. Again I'm more worried about the smaller tools though and see each as their own benchmark. I enjoyed the video and it showed why these locks are so much better than cable locks but that you still should consider a grinder resistant D or U lock possibly with a folding lock on the front wheel to frame or where the U or D doesn't fit as a backup. I believe besides being better than cable these folders weigh less than 5/16" thick security chain with a lock and are easier to store. They have their place. Alone for moderate security or in addition to a good D or U lock. A great alternative to cable and even security chain. I was impressed at the resistance to bolt cutters!
The hammer testing that we conducted in this review targeted rivets since they're a weak point on folding locks. In one of our other reviews the metal around the rivet of the ABUS Bordo 6000 split, didn't completely fail, but showed why we target this area. Yes, I agree regarding prying; we've implemented this test into our more recent videos, so you'll see more of this moving forward! Thanks for watching:)
@@markymark959 Yes, grinders cut all but a few grinder resistant locks with relative ease... albeit with lots of noise and sparks. The locks that resist grinders some, to a degree, tend to be pretty few in number and rather expensive so, especially with less expensive bikes, people are still interested in locks that cost less but still offer some protection from other attacks. Plenty of thieves are still using various attacks including but not limited to hammering, chisels, nut splitters, prying and especially bolt cutters. Very large bolt cutters exist but most use smaller ones, ones that can fit in a backpack. Anything can be defeated but people that know that still make thoughtful gradated choices based on a number of factors. Using a lesser but still good lock is a choice many make generally and others for the front wheel specifically. Anything can be defeated... One could buy a grinder resistant lock and the thief could still probably cut through the bike rack... post or tree... Also many crimes are crimes of opportunity that don't involve a backpack or duffel bag full of tools and a get away car. I can see why locks like this are used and I might use one as it's better than a steel cable that can be snipped with tools that are much easier to carry like a simple plier cutter, wire cutter. As a "Cafe" lock I'd at least like to avoid grab and go thefts that only involve a quick snip with an easily carried tool, like a wire cutter or bolt cutter that fits in a backpack. Relatedly security chain exists for a reason even though grinders cut it well because bolt cutters don't if a good one. Because grinders exist doesn't mean things that resist bolt cutters are useless. I'm not sure what your point is... Don't lock your bike? That said, if your bike is expensive, certainly one should consider a grinder resistant U lock, not just any old U lock or lesser lock. Still it's all about trade offs...
Angle grinders will defeat almost all locks that don’t use grinder protection. Hence the release of the new generation of anti-grinder locks. We’re working on a review for these. Hold tight.
For now, I use 3 regular Seatylock locks (folding, chain and u-lock) to secure my expensive new scooter (also app-lock enabled which is only unlockable by my phone unless the thief removes the scooter's battery by disassembling it) if I would be away for an hour and only locker a feet away from the entrance of the gym paired with a motion alarm so enough noise will be heard if a theif decides to use an angle-grinder!
Epic video. Found it looking for a review on these cheap $30 folding locks. When i mountain bike in my state its a non issue. Im with my wife. So someone can watch the bike while the other goes to the bathroom. However im heading out of state to the mountains. My wife will not be riding down a mountain lol. So shes going to hike while i spend all day doing my thing... im thinking the cheap $30 ones will work okay just for me to walk away and get food or use the bathroom. Itll be at the base of the mountain with a ton of people everywhere. So mostly i need something to stop someone from just walking off with it like they own it. Which is exactly what they do during snowboard season. Someone will wait for you to place your board next to 20 others. Then just walk up and snatch it. I use a cheap $15 lock for my snowboard. And try to make sure i find more expensive boards to place it nex to. But anyway. Great video. Maybe in the end i will end up buying the Foldy for $60. Even though itll only be used a few times. No dirt cover does sort of suck though
Sounds like a folding lock is ideal for your situation with the bikes! Might be worth one of the combination zip tie locks for your board. Although as you’re doing, placing it next to a much nicer board is a great way to protect it 😂 Thanks for watching
The testing we conduct is designed to produce results that are more comparable. If we removed the vice there are more uncontrollables affecting our results. In short, the results we gather from testing are not supposed to reflect how a lock would perform on the street.
UA-cam videos or not, thieves are going to steal bikes and will find their weaknesses regardless. It’s better to educate cyclists on what specific locks are designed for and how to use them appropriately.
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Thanks for this. I’ve decided I’ll not be riding my beautiful new bike now. I’ll just leave it in the living room where I can enjoy its beauty.
Exactly what I do with my carbon road bike 😂
Thanks for the independent destruction testing of the Foldylock Compact (the top one is only by the manufacturer themselves)! This is so good.
Exactly what we’re here for! Thanks for watching :)
Wow excellent video and thank you for not trying to be hip or goofy and use ridiculous “cool” music or camera tricks. I will come back for more.
Thanks for the feedback.
I agree, bicycle security is an important topic that needs to be clearly explained without distraction.
Glad you found this helpful.
One rarely mentioned feature that I love about the fully lock compact is that two or more can lock together which makes it really nice when I'm out for a ride with my wife. Two together provides a substantial length lock that's easy to lock two bikes with.
This is true, and even Seatylock don't mention it much.
That's a good point!
Carrying two is going to be less awkward than other designs.
Absolutely perfect coverage, you deserve much more attention
Thanks! Is there anything else you’d like to see in our reviews or any constructive criticism you can provide?
Try with the most secure Seatylock they have. It's 18/18 security scale.
@@andreluna2660 will give it a go!
Thanks for taking the time to watch my latest review. Feel free to share any feedback you have on my testing procedure (I'll use it to improve future content).
Here are links to both products featured in the review if you'd like to learn more [Amazon Affiliate Links]:
- Foldylock Compact - amzn.to/3ZKaW8x
- Kryptonite Kryptolok 685 - geni.us/V4vjy
All locks can be cut. The goal is to use several security features that will buy you time, in addition to other technical security features. Good Video!
Dude you really tested this stuff! Thanks for doing the video! I'm looking for a great lock. Looks like I found the right one. Thanks!
Great review, very helpfu and thorough l as I am waiting to receive a Foldylock for the new bike I have coming this week!!! Thank You
I'm glad you found it helpful. Thanks for watching. Which Foldylock did you go for?
Exactly the video I was looking for. Thanks
Brilliant vid, awesome detail thanks, just what I was looking for. , what about forcing the locking mechanism apart, it looks like they use a different methods. could they be breached. Or just twisting the joints with a lever.
So glad I found your channel. You deserve more subscribers. Keep it up!
Really appreciate that! Are there any locks/security products you're particularly interested in?
Thanks for watching
@@bikelockwiki The ABUS Bordo SmartX 6500 is interesting to me but I find it hard to justify it's price without seeing a very thorough review. I like the idea of alarms on locks these days and wish there were more options out there.
@@nox2889 Agreed, I'll test it soon when I compare "The Best Smart Bike Locks". Have a good weekend!
Been trying to find a good lock for a new ebike and discovered the Kryptonite folding lock. I owned a Kyrptonite lock back in the day so, I figured the new generation would hold up, but it looks like they have gotten a bit poorer in quality so, I may end up getting the U-Lock and the Boomerang anti-theft alert system if they ever come back in stock.
Check out the Litelok x1 or x3 if you’re looking for top tier security. Kryptonite seem to have stopped innovating, which is a shame.
First!
Just bought a Foldylock Compact of the same blue color last week to further complement my multi-lock setup with the the Mason U-lock and Viking Chain lock which makes it easy to color-code my different Seatylock keys on the same keychain!
Has buttery-smooth locking mechanism like the other 2 locks. Great as a primary cafe lock and a fantastic secondary lock to secure my electric scooter for over an hour especially for my up and coming new Segway Ninebot F2 Pro e-scooter!
The locking mechanism is a dream. I probably didn't give it enough credit in this review!
Great content ! Hope you keep it up :)
Thanks for the feedback :)
Is there anything you think's missing from our reviews?
You should get a hydraulic bolt cutter. They are smaller than traditional cutters and can apply a lot more force with less effort.
Will be getting hold of one soon. I'm looking for something that will allow me to record a precise reading of the pressure exerted upon failure.
@@bikelockwikiI second that! I know you purchased one and look forward to future content. Thieves used one to steal my last bike. I just purchased a large Mason Hex Mason. I’d like to know if it will survive a hydraulic bolt cutter attack. Grinders are their own alarm. I can defend against them.
@@Doc.Holiday it definitely would survive against a standard hydraulic cutter.
I’ve tested my recent cutters against a 5mm folding lock, and the cutter’s blades warped.
I opted for a higher quality cutter as well 🤷🏻♂️
Could have been old blades.
We shall find out how good hydraulic cutters actually are when I review the best cheap bike locks!
Great comparison, thank you
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the repeatable and thoughtful testing! Have you considered an impact wrench with the nut splitter? It would be an easy carry for a would-be thief, and would allow one hand to stabilize the lock while tightening with the impact wrench. I almost feel bad putting the idea out there, but it will be good to know if folding locks, even with rivet rings, can withstand an impact wrench
After doing this by hand, I don't think there'd be a cheap enough battery-powered wrench that could generate enough torque to break the rivet of a decent folding lock.
Interesting idea, though, and one for the future. Currently, self-funding these tests is proving to be quite expensive!
@@bikelockwiki No worries, yes it's easy to see that all that good testing would get expensive. An impact wrench was top of mind because in the States we have a store called Harbor Freight, and I just got a 1000 Nm wrench for $50, but prob not available in other territories. Keep up the great work
Thank you for this informative video!
Thanks for watching!
Very thorough, thank you.
Great review!
Thks for the video and the experiences
Thanks for your feedback!
Thanks for the video a great insight. I have just bought a Haibike e-bike and are looking to beef up my security and like the look of the foldylock at about £90 but it cut very easy with the angle grinder and spooked me . What lock would you recommend please
For an e-bike you’ll want a lock with the Sold Secure Powered Cycle Gold or Diamond rating.
Personally I’d go for a grinder resistant lock like the LITELOK X1, but the ABUS 54 Mini may also be a good option.
If it’s grinder resistance you’re looking for, the LITELOK X1 and X3 are great along with the Hiplok D1000 and DX1000
Thanks for that info much appreciated 👍@@bikelockwiki
For the weight and price the Mason isn't bad...but not the best.
Thank you! good and fair review
Thanks for watching! Anything else your would have like to have seen?
I like that you used two different sizes of bolt cutters as I'm more worried about attacks with the smaller one, which I feel more thieves will carry.
I see each as a different benchmark test that I care about.
I might still buy a lock that the big one cut but the small one didn't, in some circumstances.
With your hammer testing I feel most are going to direct their blows at the locking mechanism not the joints. I think this is true with all lock types.
I would have liked to see a prying test especially with crowbars, used in pairs, that fit in a back pack at least or like with the bolt cutters the smaller and bigger ones.
Again I'm more worried about the smaller tools though and see each as their own benchmark.
I enjoyed the video and it showed why these locks are so much better than cable locks but that you still should consider a grinder resistant D or U lock possibly with a folding lock on the front wheel to frame or where the U or D doesn't fit as a backup. I believe besides being better than cable these folders weigh less than 5/16" thick security chain with a lock and are easier to store. They have their place. Alone for moderate security or in addition to a good D or U lock. A great alternative to cable and even security chain. I was impressed at the resistance to bolt cutters!
The hammer testing that we conducted in this review targeted rivets since they're a weak point on folding locks. In one of our other reviews the metal around the rivet of the ABUS Bordo 6000 split, didn't completely fail, but showed why we target this area.
Yes, I agree regarding prying; we've implemented this test into our more recent videos, so you'll see more of this moving forward!
Thanks for watching:)
The typical thieves these days use battery powered angle grinder cut off wheels that will cut through these locks in 12 seconds….
Obviously it's essential that the lock you use provides a suitable level of security for the bike you ride :)
@@markymark959 Yes, grinders cut all but a few grinder resistant locks with relative ease...
albeit with lots of noise and sparks.
The locks that resist grinders some, to a degree, tend to be pretty few in number and rather expensive so, especially with less expensive bikes, people are still interested in locks that cost less but still offer some protection from other attacks.
Plenty of thieves are still using various attacks including but not limited to hammering, chisels, nut splitters, prying and especially bolt cutters. Very large bolt cutters exist but most use smaller ones, ones that can fit in a backpack.
Anything can be defeated but people that know that still make thoughtful gradated choices based on a number of factors.
Using a lesser but still good lock is a choice many make generally and others for the front wheel specifically.
Anything can be defeated...
One could buy a grinder resistant lock and the thief could still probably cut through the bike rack...
post or tree...
Also many crimes are crimes of opportunity that don't involve a backpack or duffel bag full of tools and a get away car.
I can see why locks like this are used and I might use one as it's better than a steel cable that can be snipped with tools that are much easier to carry like a simple plier cutter, wire cutter.
As a "Cafe" lock I'd at least like to avoid grab and go thefts that only involve a quick snip with an easily carried tool, like a wire cutter or bolt cutter that fits in a backpack.
Relatedly security chain exists for a reason even though grinders cut it well because bolt cutters don't if a good one.
Because grinders exist doesn't mean things that resist bolt cutters are useless.
I'm not sure what your point is...
Don't lock your bike?
That said, if your bike is expensive, certainly one should consider a grinder resistant U lock, not just any old U lock or lesser lock.
Still it's all about trade offs...
So if the thief has a $50 angle grinder. The bike is his
Angle grinders will defeat almost all locks that don’t use grinder protection. Hence the release of the new generation of anti-grinder locks.
We’re working on a review for these. Hold tight.
For now, I use 3 regular Seatylock locks (folding, chain and u-lock) to secure my expensive new scooter (also app-lock enabled which is only unlockable by my phone unless the thief removes the scooter's battery by disassembling it) if I would be away for an hour and only locker a feet away from the entrance of the gym paired with a motion alarm so enough noise will be heard if a theif decides to use an angle-grinder!
Nowadays they’re carrying angle grinders😣no lock is safe! Best thing is a gps tracker
Check out the Hiplok D1000 and LITELOK X3 :)
GPS tracking is of little use. What are you going to do? Knock on the door and ask for your bike back? The police won’t retrieve the bike either.
@@fyvewytches it could be considered grand larceny depending on the cost of the bike, soooo yeah law enforcement can get involved.
@@fyvewytchesI would definitely knock on the door.
Great video!! That's why I have e-bike insurance! No lock stops the angle grinder!!
Nope, but they’re getting closer. The Skunklock Carbon is one to watch atm!
Epic video. Found it looking for a review on these cheap $30 folding locks. When i mountain bike in my state its a non issue. Im with my wife. So someone can watch the bike while the other goes to the bathroom.
However im heading out of state to the mountains. My wife will not be riding down a mountain lol. So shes going to hike while i spend all day doing my thing... im thinking the cheap $30 ones will work okay just for me to walk away and get food or use the bathroom.
Itll be at the base of the mountain with a ton of people everywhere. So mostly i need something to stop someone from just walking off with it like they own it. Which is exactly what they do during snowboard season. Someone will wait for you to place your board next to 20 others. Then just walk up and snatch it. I use a cheap $15 lock for my snowboard. And try to make sure i find more expensive boards to place it nex to. But anyway. Great video. Maybe in the end i will end up buying the Foldy for $60. Even though itll only be used a few times. No dirt cover does sort of suck though
Sounds like a folding lock is ideal for your situation with the bikes!
Might be worth one of the combination zip tie locks for your board. Although as you’re doing, placing it next to a much nicer board is a great way to protect it 😂
Thanks for watching
I have a Abus and Andy lock but I dunno the name of the other.
Which ABUS are you using? I've never heard of an Andy lock. Where did you get it?
I never even heard of that Kryptonite Lock. The 790 is the one i have and its orange.
Nice, the 790 is the best Kryptonite folding lock available at the moment.
Thanks bro I've been eyeing my neighbors bike for a minute 😂😂😂😂
😅👮🏻♂️
Minute?
You need to saw in weight, holding it in your hands without clamping it in a vice!!!1!
The testing we conduct is designed to produce results that are more comparable.
If we removed the vice there are more uncontrollables affecting our results.
In short, the results we gather from testing are not supposed to reflect how a lock would perform on the street.
Thers always 2 when go to steal a bike thanks to UA-cam videos their learning the ways the locks are weak
UA-cam videos or not, thieves are going to steal bikes and will find their weaknesses regardless.
It’s better to educate cyclists on what specific locks are designed for and how to use them appropriately.
Hang on! You're the same guy that advertises their lock on the Amazon listing! So, how can we take your review seriously?
The opinions that we voice on this lock come from the real first-hand testing shown extensively in our videos :)
Most Thieves use a grinder now. So both of these are junk
Might as well not bother locking your bike up at all
Which lock is truly resistant to angle grinders? Thanks
The most resistant locks are the Litelok X3 and the Hiplok D1000, but with enough time these can still be cut