Is a stock 2018 mustang Cold air better than the GT350 cold air?
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- Опубліковано 26 гру 2019
- In the never ending search for data, i pit a stock 2018 mustang cold air VS a gt350 Cold air intake. The results are as expected, but it's MUCH closer than you think.
The Guys who spent $450 in this GT350 cold air intake are hanging themselves right this minute😂
Lmao 😂 😂
Doubtful same camp believes a air filter gives them better MPGs.
Got mine for $50! LOL
Drew D'Alesandro from someone who saw Alex’s video!
Ed Thomas soon you’ll be seeing GT350s with 2018 GT cold air intakes😂. I wonder if a GT350 would make more power with 2018 GT cold air intake instead of the stock open element. Because its obvious the 2018 GT intake delivers cooler air vs the open element intake.
Alex! Thanks so much for helping the Mustang Community. I'm Supercharged but I know how much time and effort it takes to make a educational vid. Bro keep doing what your doing. Your blowing up! Subbed since 2012!
Nice, thanks alot I was waiting for something like this. Need to see that throttle body one too ...
You left off a piece of the Gt 350 intake that actually seals the filter from the engine heat. Great video
I fucking love these videos they're always filled with good stuff
Thanks again Alex for an informative video. Glad I didn’t spend any cash on a CAI.
Great video! I have a 2017 mustang gt 6r80 I just bought. Just recently won a bid on a 2018 oem cold air intake for only $30 lol. Next I’ll be getting an 18 mani and lu47 injectors and then hit Lund up for a flex tune. I really appreciate all the knowledge yolo.
If I'm all stock on a 17 gt. Can I run a 18 cai? Or will I need to tune?
@@codykyle3603 no since the tube diameter where the MAF is you won’t need one but to get maximum performance out of it then yeah a tune would be good but better to wait till you order more mods
Alex, you gone have a lot of people on suicidal watch now man lol 😂
Very unique content
Alex. I have a 16 and you sent me a base tune for my 18 Manifold (locked IMRCs) stock throttle body Lu47s and a PMAS. I switched to the steeda closed air box cold air. Can you test that one? It keeps my IATs much lower than the PMAS here in South Texas where we see 90 degree temps around Christmas and 110 in summer.
🤣 bi*** sounds like a sewing machine
I run the 18 cai with my gt350 manifold on e85 and got 443 whp with the filter and 452 whp without the filter. Lund e85 tune with headers.
Can you put a gt intake on a 350 and see what it puts down? Might need to switch over.
Great video. I’m in the process of doing my fore fuel system. I’m having trouble finding info on keeping it deadhead and return from the regulator or return off the rails to the regulator. Any advice would be great. Car is at 600 rwhp on pump gas. Plan is E85 and ID1050x 2011 GT with a i1 Procharger at 8.5 psi.
Makes sense, higher IATs would always make less power...All those "Cold Air" intakes will only make more power when flowing more air becomes more important than IAT, read boosted.
Love your videos! Not some marketing shit that is everywhere these days.
I'm looking to upgrade my 15-17 intake with a tune, get an 18 intake or should i get Steeda closed proflow intake? Primarily running on 93 octane. Thanks man.
Either works in my opinion
@@YDBT4LIFE keep the videos coming! Made my day whenever you have a new video pops up.
how about the filter set up? did you increase the air box? That may help add some as well?
Alex will you do the Steeda Closed cold air intake? I want to know it it's got game in this fight!
thanks for the video .QUESTION : on a18 (so little different) with racegas 100oct would you try a PMAS or JLT on top of the tune? I PLAN TO do a closed box for the JLT ( ihave hoodvents) . I know maybe is not worth it but for my racing every HP counts. please let me know. thanks Alessandro
Alex do you have a patreon? If so where can I pay to sign up?
I bought a stock 18 intake how do I install it on my 2016 there is an extra hose
Alex, is it normal for the rev match feature to not hit the right rpm on the flex, e85r tunes?
Alex should just makes his own cold air kits. At least they would be dyno tested.
That's a spicy ghost tick tune
I completely agree the hood is shut and the open element is just sucking hot air instead of having the closed airbox with induction in the grill bringing in outside air glad you did this test so people understand, I'm thinking of going back to my roush closed box over the JLT on 15 blower car, didn't gain anything with the JLT.. unless good was open.. thank you for being informative as always LFTW
@Shaun S 15 GT has a inlet in the grill even stock through the honey comb, I have a RTR grill the plastic induction goes into the stock and most aftermarket air boxes, not sure on other intakes but my car has been supercharged since brand new..
The thing with closing hood on dyno is it throws it off the other way imo. I know there are fans but there is no way those fans are giving the filter the same air it would be getting at 100+mph out on the road (the speeds youd be doing winding out 4th gear on a 6r80 car like that) so youre getting tremendous heat increases redlining the car stationary on the dyno and there isnt as much air available as there normally would be in a real situation on the street or track. Open elements will get heat soaked when youre in stop n go traffic or waiting in the lanes at the track but if you can shield the filter good and mod the grill so air comes in even better than stock the open elements make more power. If iats are equal open element with larger pipe makes more power than stock smaller tube and panel filter. Stock will outdo it if iats are alot higher on the open element which can happen in certain situations as i stated. But closing the hood on the dyno isnt really accurate imo and throws the test off the other way just like having it open throws it off to the plus side. Doing datalogging with a virtual dyno on the street would prob be more accurate imo. Hood would be closed and youd actually be seeing the right amount of air per whatever speed youre going. Or you could just look at the data alot of the data will let you know how good the car is or isnt running without even seeing numbers just my .02
Is the 2015-2017 GT intake tube the same as on the 2018GT? I put an Airaid modular tube and AEM drop in filter on my 15 GT and it seemed to get rid of the low end throttle lag(untuned). Forgot all about it until now, maybe I'll try it on the 18....
Did you say that you have a Patreon, Alex?
It still made about 11 horsepower more than the Roush cold air intake that he tested months ago. It was 392whp with the Roush cai compared to 403whp with the gt350 cai. Regardless of the weather conditions both tests’ IATs were 99-100+. So for an air intake the gt350 one is actually really good possibly due to the seal design with the hood. I’ll probably buy that just because it looks badass.
Like when you draw attention to things like the carbon trap. I would not have know the propose of it otherwise.
Hey Alex. I just purchased the stage 1 Edelbrock complete kit but it uses the stock throttle body and stock 17 air box. Think there would be any benefit going to the 18 cai with this setup?
Ok...he showed it made more power na...so boosted itll make even more of a difference so of course its gonna help lol
The E85R tune performed worse throughout pretty much the entire graph vs the flex tune.
Exactly. Anything shoved in early wasn't working.
That's not the first time he did this type of pull and got that result
Makes me wonder if I should run the flex tune instead of the E tune. I’ll have to give it a shot and compare at track.
any update on if steeda fixed their sensor placement on the closed air box cai?
I dont know what graph he is looking at but the flex tune out did the r tune thriughout the power band
Was wondering why the numbers in general were so low then realized you’re testing a 2015-2017 S550.
Its also a 6r80 car itll dyno little less than a manual would so 420+ aint bad
Michael Harris auto’s dyno 10% below crank. Manuals dyno 15% below crank on average when using a dyno jet. So that’s not correct.
So A L E X GT350 TB on a ported 2018 manifold vs stock TB, will it make any difference? Twin Turbo GT btw.
The housing for the GT350 intake and Roush look virtually identical.
Alex I need your help. I am looking at purchasing a Roush R2650 TVS for my 2019. I have been told not to by a few people because of the change of design to accommodate the direct injection has affected the temps thus affecting the timing. I don’t want it tuned I just want to flash the tune that comes with it from Roush. Keeping those parameters in mind will it produce the 700 horsepower and the approximately 610 Torque all the time just as a road car? Not for dragging or road course racing? My only other possibility is the Whipple which has basically been redesigned and turned upside down. It is used over here in Australia as the blower on the super snake.
Get anything but a roush blower. You are welcome
Alejandro Flores thank you for being so straight forward. Enjoy the rest of your Xmas time.
The roush will make 700 once.. then the intake air temps will be so high it will be pulling timing like crazy.. their intercooler brick is not large enough to manage the heat the 2650 blower makes.. Get the whipple or an edelbrock..
@@Clutch_Kick187 this
Stock or aftermarket tick package?
What's the MAF size on the 350 and MAF size on the 18 GT????
Do you really have a patreon and if so can you send me a link?
Damn, barely broke 400 with the 350 intake! I was expecting atleast 440 🤷♂️. How the hell are all these online guys getting 460whp+ on the flex tune?
Check out vmp video and you’ll see why
Blahaha alex dosen't wear rose colored glasses real numbers are great info
This is a gen 2 coyote with a 6r80....car prob made 360-370 rwhp at best stock maybe less. Numbers are about right imo it dont even got long tubes
Because it's not a 3rd gen Coyote
Is it the same for supercharger CAI too? Like edelbrock E-Force
Hell no...on a blown car you need more air. Bigger tubes and filters will make more power na too if you can keep iats down which is the issue with open element filters. Something like steedas closed box 121 mm intake...its got bigger pipe but still closed box.
Have you ever experimented with a throttle body spacer on a 5.4 truck engine?
The 04 through 10 5.4 3v had an upgrade to 80mm throttle body it did nothing for me when I installed it in my 05, I eventtually sold it, to a 2009 owner worked for him with a tune and new MAF sensor,
How does that steeda closed airbox compared to the 18?
Jonathan Pena Just installed the Steeda and got a revision from Lund on Monday. Supposedly it’s a really good system, ppl over on Mustang6g forum like it. I bought it to go with a ported CJ that I’m wanting to get.
Orange Fury awesome I definitely plan on getting one soon I keep hearing good things
late reply i know but fwiw, i have a 2018 with steeda closed airbox with it's own e85r tune and it runs stronger than my stock airbox also w/ it's own e85r tune for stock air box. I think this dyno test is a lil off because shouldn't the bigger 350 intake also have it's own tune?
YOLO do you think a K&N drop in air filter will make more power over stock paper filter
I have seen an article where that was tested, it made 7 more hp
I don’t really see a difference in throttle response. From stock to K&N
Stock coyote Lund tune. You don’t need nothing else for a gread daily
@@tatankahaska I did mine recently and did feel a difference
Any gain in power, is not worth the trade off in dirty air, K&N filters do not filter. The oil ALWAYS gets on the intake tube and sensors, this causes erratic readings and you will see dirt in your intake tube. -Ford tech
Functionally the only difference between the two manifolds is runner cross section. Length is the same. Do the math and each intakes runner cross section is based on intake valve size. Bigger than needed won’t make more power and lowers below the curve. The 18 manifold is best on a gen 3 coyote. Thanks for showing the real numbers with the hood shut.
Gt350 MANIFOLD made more on this car. This is a cold air intake test
@2:21 When you command pre-ignition limit timing at WOT, because NA cars just feel slow now.
No it was just a table that was capping timing at the time
@@YDBT4LIFE Thanks for the vid man
Steeda is like 18 stock cai but slightly bigger 120 diameter that what u wish for like stock slightly bigger 120 diameter will u compare it
Is that the 18 mustang ticking noise that everyone talks about??
No. This is a 15. Picked the motor up cheap cause it ticked...been strong af forever
Idk I saw the hood open right around the 11:06 mark? Could have been a mistake?
Same!
Maybe that clip was intented to be on the 13:20ish pull
Moral of the story go with the steeda closed box or stick with the stock unit
Hate being that guy but man.... that things “knocking” around 12:30-13:00 minute mark.
My 03 did it an it ran for years but drove me crazy. Reason I want a 11-17 but the 18+ looks so damn good 😩
This is a 15-17 mustang but I've heard stories of all of the coyotes ticking.
It’s the air compressor. He addresses it in the video...
Fernando Roa I know. That’s much louder an not the noise I was talking about..
Maybe it’s the same though.
David Lazarus the 18+ uses a different cylinder liner an from what I remember is causing it to happen quite often.
Haven’t looked into it in a few months though so maybe things have changed.
Its completely normal, and does not affect longevit, there is even a TSB on it.
What about the status pro flow
Steeda closed intake vs pmas vs stock video? 👀
Koyote Kris no. He said it himself it’s going to get him in trouble and he already stated PMAS data is the way to go compared to others.
Pmas is the best intake...problem is iat rise on it alot more than a closed box but you can do your own mods to it to make it much better and insulating heat. Its not the open element filter thats losing power its the fact iats are higher..
If you can keep iats the same with a larger tube it WILL make more power on a dyno. That is why the 18 intake makes more power than stock 15-17 intake it has a larger tube but is still closed box. The pmas is bad ass just needs a little more help keeping iats down from the way it comes from their factory.
Another thing you gotta understand is having the hood closed on the dyno (even with fans on) isnt gonna be apples to apples to winding 4th gear out on the street at that speed the intake would be seeing much cooler temps vs whats it sees on the dyno with fan on hood closed. I dont think these open elements would perform as bad on the steeet as they do in these tests. If youre in heavy stop go traffic itll heat but if youre out on the highway or running through the canyons the open elements are fine. Waiting in staging lanes at the track will also heat soak the open element filters more but there are mods you can do to help em seal better. The gt350 makes more power of iats are the same on both....problem is keeping iats the same on open element filters. Once you're moving as i said theyll be better....they can heat soak in traffic or waiting at the track so it is what it is. Choose based on your driving style if you live in a rural area like me and dont see tons of stop go traffic open elements are fine and will make more power.
is it worth it to upgrade stock 2016 air intake to 2018 air intake for 2016 mustang gt?
Do you need a tune if you put an 18 cai on a 15-17 car?
What is the ticking sound? I can hear it just like another guy posted as well.
ckryegrass11 it’s the air compressor he said it on the video
Or what about running the gt350 cai without the filter
So if you got a 15-17 mustang gt... get a supercharger
What about vs the injen evolution closed box intake?? 🤔🤔
🤔🤔🤨🤨
is the tickin included on both tunes?
Ghost tick tune lol
Jose Gutierrez ^ Watch everyone request the Ghost Tick Tune now 😂
lol @ these comments, he clearly said thats the air compressor that kicked on, yet everyone things its the motor..lmao
I thought it the gt350 coi came with new air sensor
How to put 2018 intake on a 2016 GT? Will it fit stock throttle? It will require tune?
Yes it will fit yes it will require a tune.
@@YDBT4LIFE thank you!
driving the red car on the road feel super sluggish compared to 19
Pmas120 mm my only guess
A pair of Beats headphones would do you good. Save your hearing you’ll need it later in life.
Alex do the steeda closed box vs 18
Nah can't. If I do all I'll get is hate from aftermarket cai companies and my job would be in jeopardy. This is a ford part vs a ford part. I'm safe
Alejandro Flores ah ok gotcha that sucks but I understand
How do we install the 18 on the 16 can't find any info on an intake install swap
Im definetly not changing th estock intake on my gt350, the amount of money you spend on something just a 2-5 hp increase is ridiculous and not worth it.
Agreed
Alejandro Flores good content , subscribed to you, please subscribe back if you’d like! I’m working on getting better with my channel this year .
I got tickets to do I can't be f****** around with this s*** LOL
coyote's are noisy especially at idle . my 14 f150 has been like that since new . it has 179k on it now and doesn't burn any oil.
never realized people were so anal about engine noises. i had a 1st gen wrx it would sound like it was going to come apart every cold start but had over 200k when i sold it still running well.
Keep the beard
All the comments: iTs got the 5.0 bBq tIcK. iT nEeDs a BlOcK.
Ford:How bout you read the TSB we released instead of listening to all the UA-cam Master Techs.
Like a genuine gt350's fast.
Why would the parts off a slow car make another factory stock car fast?😂
Yooo
Typical gen 2 tapping its ass off 😂😂
4th gear...let’s party lmao
First?? Whoop whoop
First!
Sae
Was that a 2018 motor??lmao.....tick, tick, tick
That's a gen 2 engine.
all of the coyotes have a tendancy to tick, it's just seems to happen more often in the third gens
First lol