My gen 2 coyote swapped fox, (f150 motor) gen3 intake, ARH long tubes, MMR lightweight water pump pulley, stock airbox made 400RWHP at 6800 rpm (stock rev limiter on this Ford ECU) I'm going to raise the rev limiter and get her tuned, very happy with this truck motor and gen3 intake.
in all honesty 2018+ ported manifold has been working perfectly fine for me making about 440hp 93 tune by auto mafia only mods i have is 2018 ported, jlt and tune :) also have stock headers with a h-pipe . The benefits with the ported 2018 manifold vs the cobra are small with a tune I am sure with the cobra you can get a tiny bit more power However with the boss and cobra intake manifold you have to do some custom fab work under the hood to make it fit.
I got a buddy of mine that's got a 2016 GT he put the 2018 ported intake on it's been tuned but still not running right at low idle he's only got two vacuum lines hooked up do you know where all the vacuum lines run.
Just what I wanted to here my 2017 will benefit from this 2018 intake plenum at 7500 RPM, my Stangmode is street strip 50%. Thanks a lot for your content and expertise.🔥💪👍👏
Bro just go watch the video titled " VMP Performance | Coyote Ford Mustang Manifold Shootout " you can decide what's best for your car, they test with actual dyno results. VMP test all the intake manifolds i ended up purchasing a ported 2018+ manifold its about 5hp-7hp gain it really all comes down to your tuner.
I added one to my 14 6r80 with a 4200 Circle D torque Convertor, 3.73 gears and long tube header, custom tuned, I lost H.P. and torque below 4000 rpm, but only picked up an additional 15 hp above. In my mind it wasn't really worth the loss of low end power, I wound up swapping back.
@@joenobody2580 It went 12.00's with the stock intake on a 28" tall drag radial @121MPH, best pass with was a 12.20 @118, lost a tenth in the 60' times as well.
@@jasonn277 it was actually cooler when we dyno'd the 18 intake, the tuner is 5 hours away from me, I drove the car to them both times. I don't remember the exact D/A but ambient temp was 20 degrees cooler.
Got a 13' GT Track Pack making 394 rwhp & 378 rwtq. AED Tuned, Stock Manifold, Airaid intake tube with Stock Cold Air box, Borla exhaust w/ stock cats running E85. For my driving style I like the extra torque stock manifold provides + 3:73 make the car zippy.
I am putting gen 3 coyote engine in my 98 mustang and looking to also buy Ford Performance Intake Manifold Mustang 5.0L Gen 3. I am having everything built from the ground up will be replacing just about everything. So I am for sure buying me one.
Ported 18’ manifold is perfect for f150 picked up 3 tenths and 4 mph. Still Has plenty of torque especially with 10 speed. This on a heavy crew can also.
Agreed. The gearing and gear spread with the 10R80 makes a bunch of lowend grunt largely irrelevant compared to traditional setups. A N/A Coyote is no lowend torque monster anyway. It does its best work on the big end so let it shine there. A F150's GEN3 Coyote is largely the same as the Mustangs other than the intake/exhaust manifolds and for some reason Ford gave them a different firing order, but even the cams spec's are similar between the 2. Again the 10R80's gearing and willingness to shift with small throttle inputs does a great job of keeping the Coyote in its powerband. Giving up a little on the bottom to gain more up top is not really a bad thing in this scenario, even on a large 4WD truck that gets used for truck duties. Might be different with the 6R80 truck, but IDK as I've not owned 6R80 F150. I just wish my 03 Lightning could easily accept a 10R80 swap.
I have a '14 6R80 w/AED tune. I spoke with Shaun about this manifold swap, and he said much the same thing, that it would just move the powerband up. I don't and won't be racing the car on the drag strip or in Mexico. I have traction problems on the street as it is, and a converter would just exacerbate that issue. How you use your car is the key to all these questions. On the street, this car does not need torque loss on the bottom. If you're racing with a manual or a converter, different story. I asked Shaun about finding a 30-35 hp gain, something I can feel in the seat of my pants. While far more expensive, he recommends long tubes and full exhaust. We all want cheap horsepower, but this manifold isn't the answer for my car. I wish it were. Honest evaluation, Steeda.
Good video! I appreciate that you advocate for keeping the lockouts!!!!!! When interest in this thing hit few years back, most S550 guys were locking out (most still do) and it never sit right with me. I have went back and forth on this intake more times than I care to admit. It offers a lot of the same advantages of the 350 intake without the price tag or the loss of torque at lower RPM. My biggest complaint and the #1 thing holding me back may sound crazy…but I want to keep my engine cover!!! I love the cover, and I like to open the hood and see a nice “5.0” writing when I pop the hood. I don’t like the look of the engine bay with just the manifold exposed. If I could somehow keep the cover I would really consider this swap. Oh well….
@@morgande I got a saw and clearanced the back of the engine cover. My cousin and I did two videos on our channel about the 18’ manifold 1 was installing it 1 was on the dyno. Unfortunately we didn’t show how we clearances the engine cover in the video, but if you want a better look these are the links to the two videos. Zoom into the rear passenger side of the cover and maybe that can give you a better idea of what was done to make it fit. ua-cam.com/video/khOPhmV8eNw/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/_7XMhXrfxU4/v-deo.html
I bought into the hype of swapping this 18 IM with IMRC & CMCV lockouts for my 16 GT and noticed the gains only up top which was a huge difference, like scary fast on WOT but in normal driving conditions it's BLAH/Normal! TBH I prefer my older 16 IM with my Bama tune and still running the 18IM with a PBD tune. Only reason why I don't wanna go back is because when you're buying this 18IM+PBD Tune and Installation it ran me over $1600+CAD! If Bama had supported the 18IM which they didn't at the time I would've save $400CAD on the tune itself but that wasn't the case...
Got my 2018 mani ported by Auto Mafia and had you guys make the tune. Have been really happy thus far. So awesome to wring my car out to well over 7500rpm!
I lost power. With the 18 vs. stock gen2 manfold. It did make more average power after 7k then the stock intake. 398 vs 424 rwhp and 378 vs 393 rwtq peak numbers. I also lost powe/ tq all through the rpm band.
I am wanting to go the ported 18 intake manifold on 2015 but am undecided about the IMRC. Some say keep the IMRC most say delete them. Don't want to be limited as for who will tune it.
Can vouch for an 18 mani on a 17 car. On E85 using this manifold (and Long Toob Headers) - I am pulling 450rwhp on my 2017. Which for bolt ons, is a resonable figure. I have locked out the IMRC's however. My tune really covers over the loss of low down torque.
Should’ve just gotten the pigtail adapters for the IRMCS could’ve had better low end and middle torque/power while having the same peak numbers as the lock out
Performance is going to shine above 6,000 rpm... F150 guys.... .. Starts truck... we'll see about that. .. Well, you're mostly right. Truck plays between 5,300 and 6,800 rpm when wide open. Otherwise getting it over 3,500 rpm is near impossible in normal driving... or so my friend said.
I was told this information a year ago. The stock intake manifold on my 2017 GT is no slouch with an air intake, catback, and Lund tune so I’ll save my $700 bucks for some suspension mods.
It depends on what RPM you spend most of your time at. Some people spend most of their time in the 2500-6000, or do plenty of cruising, rarely redline it. These aren’t high horsepower 4 cylinders.
Very sensible advice, the reality is that unless you are driving on a tract manifold change is not worth the expense (+or-) 5 hp so many variables that you wouldn't feel the difference so many other more reasonable mods you could spend you $ on, took guts for Steeda to tell this story.
damn. really wish I saw this video before buying my 18 manifold with lockouts from you... I'm finally getting around to being ready to install it and then I see this, making me wish I got the boss manifold instead.... sucks.....
Automatic s197 here, 1. I cant find a Cj for sh*t 2. Ive had this boss 302 sitting for a year and im just now getting around to this but i cant find a install kit for it at all + idek how the boss 302 or cj will work with my 2012 automatic. HELP
The cobra jet intake was discontinued by ford with no plans of bringing it back. I contacted them yesterday as a matter of fact. Still don't know why they made such a stupid decision yet they still make the boss 302 manifold 🤣. A few places like beefcake racing might still have a few cj intakes in stock but don't expect it to be cheap.
@@jeffersonhenn1086 Under the curve the factory manifold would would be fine. The HP comes from the tune you would inevitably use with the turbo setup and added RPM. I have a TT hellion on my 2015 gt and the 2018 intake was worth 80hp up top. Laid down 941rwhp on E85. Are you looking for acceleration at full throttle high rpm or overall grunt around town? If the ladder keep the stock intake
For the F150 owners.. get the truck version of the 18 manifold. For the Mustang owners.. get the 2018 GT's manifold. they serve their purpose well. Also for my F150 guys dont be dumb like me and put the Boss 302 on the F150. Lose lots of power down low and only get benefits at the top end.
@@karimsoccer7 compared to your Gen 2 motor it will definitely feel slower down low. Unless you race the car often just stick with your manifold. If you want more torque and power get a tune and run E85. What are your ultimate goals with the car?
@@tylero3356 i just want to be FBO and that’s it , I currently have long tube headers, cold air intake , full cat back , a tune and the 18 manifold that I haven’t installed yet
not sure I totally agree. If you are applying it to the wrong application, then yes, other intakes will out perform it. But, if you are looking at a sustained high rpm application, the Boss intake should be given consideration.
@@rmiles3281 outperform the CJ? CJ makes up for everything the Boss lacks. All the low end torque lost with the BOSS, the Cj makes up for it. Ford engineers basically said that in the process of building the road runner, the CJ was the intake for all the tests and the BOSS was developed for packaging reasons. Cj will NOT fit under the strut brace.
So you're saying you never actually "drive" your car? I hit 6500 rpm on a daily. It's really not that hard on a coyote. Everyone except your 80 year old grandpa that upgrades to the 18 mani will notice a difference.
@@jimbrow83 I would also, if it weren’t my daily. But best believe even with the blower, which doesn’t provide very much torque on this platform, would still be running it to 8k rpms. This car doesn’t make power in low rpms.
I went with the Whipple intake manifold. It’s been working great!
🤣
😂
My gen 2 coyote swapped fox, (f150 motor) gen3 intake, ARH long tubes, MMR lightweight water pump pulley, stock airbox made 400RWHP at 6800 rpm (stock rev limiter on this Ford ECU) I'm going to raise the rev limiter and get her tuned, very happy with this truck motor and gen3 intake.
Did you swap the intake cams for GT cams?
@@OscarR-f1d nope stick truck cams
My car getting the vortech bolted on in the background 🔥
in all honesty 2018+ ported manifold has been working perfectly fine for me making about 440hp 93 tune by auto mafia only mods i have is 2018 ported, jlt and tune :) also have stock headers with a h-pipe . The benefits with the ported 2018 manifold vs the cobra are small with a tune I am sure with the cobra you can get a tiny bit more power However with the boss and cobra intake manifold you have to do some custom fab work under the hood to make it fit.
I got a buddy of mine that's got a 2016 GT he put the 2018 ported intake on it's been tuned but still not running right at low idle he's only got two vacuum lines hooked up do you know where all the vacuum lines run.
Wow! Amazing. Is the porting a difficult mod to do? I’ve ordered a 2018 manifold,, cold air and 93 tune by vmp. 7900 redline.
Ported CJ mani, VMP TJ69, Steeda closed air box intake for my weekend warrior car
I’m working on that same combo right now.
Just what I wanted to here my 2017 will benefit from this 2018 intake plenum at 7500 RPM, my Stangmode is street strip 50%. Thanks a lot for your content and expertise.🔥💪👍👏
Bro just go watch the video titled " VMP Performance | Coyote Ford Mustang Manifold Shootout " you can decide what's best for your car, they test with actual dyno results. VMP test all the intake manifolds i ended up purchasing a ported 2018+ manifold its about 5hp-7hp gain it really all comes down to your tuner.
If Steeda were to work with VMP they could take over the planet of aftermarket performance for the mustang
I added one to my 14 6r80 with a 4200 Circle D torque Convertor, 3.73 gears and long tube header, custom tuned, I lost H.P. and torque below 4000 rpm, but only picked up an additional 15 hp above. In my mind it wasn't really worth the loss of low end power, I wound up swapping back.
How were your 1/4 mile times with and without
@@joenobody2580 It went 12.00's with the stock intake on a 28" tall drag radial @121MPH, best pass with was a 12.20 @118, lost a tenth in the 60' times as well.
@@swbtlw was the D/A similar on those days?
@@jasonn277 it was actually cooler when we dyno'd the 18 intake, the tuner is 5 hours away from me, I drove the car to them both times. I don't remember the exact D/A but ambient temp was 20 degrees cooler.
Got a 13' GT Track Pack making 394 rwhp & 378 rwtq. AED Tuned, Stock Manifold, Airaid intake tube with Stock Cold Air box, Borla exhaust w/ stock cats running E85.
For my driving style I like the extra torque stock manifold provides + 3:73 make the car zippy.
E85 is dumb if you aren't boosted or direct injected
I am putting gen 3 coyote engine in my 98 mustang and looking to also buy Ford Performance Intake Manifold Mustang 5.0L Gen 3. I am having everything built from the ground up will be replacing just about everything. So I am for sure buying me one.
Got my 18 intake sent it to 1320 for port job. Seems to pull good all the way
Ported 18’ manifold is perfect for f150 picked up 3 tenths and 4 mph. Still
Has plenty of torque especially with 10 speed. This on a heavy crew can also.
@Chris Gamble Yes , 4x4 crew cab ported 18' manifold , e85 flex tune , pmas CAI and off road y-pipe best 12.56@ 110 on 24's.
Agreed. The gearing and gear spread with the 10R80 makes a bunch of lowend grunt largely irrelevant compared to traditional setups. A N/A Coyote is no lowend torque monster anyway. It does its best work on the big end so let it shine there. A F150's GEN3 Coyote is largely the same as the Mustangs other than the intake/exhaust manifolds and for some reason Ford gave them a different firing order, but even the cams spec's are similar between the 2. Again the 10R80's gearing and willingness to shift with small throttle inputs does a great job of keeping the Coyote in its powerband. Giving up a little on the bottom to gain more up top is not really a bad thing in this scenario, even on a large 4WD truck that gets used for truck duties. Might be different with the 6R80 truck, but IDK as I've not owned 6R80 F150. I just wish my 03 Lightning could easily accept a 10R80 swap.
I have a '14 6R80 w/AED tune. I spoke with Shaun about this manifold swap, and he said much the same thing, that it would just move the powerband up. I don't and won't be racing the car on the drag strip or in Mexico. I have traction problems on the street as it is, and a converter would just exacerbate that issue. How you use your car is the key to all these questions. On the street, this car does not need torque loss on the bottom. If you're racing with a manual or a converter, different story. I asked Shaun about finding a 30-35 hp gain, something I can feel in the seat of my pants. While far more expensive, he recommends long tubes and full exhaust. We all want cheap horsepower, but this manifold isn't the answer for my car. I wish it were. Honest evaluation, Steeda.
Good video! I appreciate that you advocate for keeping the lockouts!!!!!! When interest in this thing hit few years back, most S550 guys were locking out (most still do) and it never sit right with me.
I have went back and forth on this intake more times than I care to admit. It offers a lot of the same advantages of the 350 intake without the price tag or the loss of torque at lower RPM. My biggest complaint and the #1 thing holding me back may sound crazy…but I want to keep my engine cover!!! I love the cover, and I like to open the hood and see a nice “5.0” writing when I pop the hood. I don’t like the look of the engine bay with just the manifold exposed. If I could somehow keep the cover I would really consider this swap. Oh well….
You can keep the engine cover, did it on my set up and modified it to fit. You really can’t tell.
@@jasonn277 how did you do it?
@@morgande I got a saw and clearanced the back of the engine cover. My cousin and I did two videos on our channel about the 18’ manifold 1 was installing it 1 was on the dyno. Unfortunately we didn’t show how we clearances the engine cover in the video, but if you want a better look these are the links to the two videos. Zoom into the rear passenger side of the cover and maybe that can give you a better idea of what was done to make it fit.
ua-cam.com/video/khOPhmV8eNw/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/_7XMhXrfxU4/v-deo.html
I bought a ported 18 for my TT 2015. i want to keep my tq numbers same while get extra power up top. I shift at 7600 with stock gen2 mani.
Thanks for the info. This was my planned next mod, but being that my car doesnt see those revs often, it would be pointless.
I bought into the hype of swapping this 18 IM with IMRC & CMCV lockouts for my 16 GT and noticed the gains only up top which was a huge difference, like scary fast on WOT but in normal driving conditions it's BLAH/Normal! TBH I prefer my older 16 IM with my Bama tune and still running the 18IM with a PBD tune. Only reason why I don't wanna go back is because when you're buying this 18IM+PBD Tune and Installation it ran me over $1600+CAD! If Bama had supported the 18IM which they didn't at the time I would've save $400CAD on the tune itself but that wasn't the case...
I picked up nearly 4 mph in the 1/4 mile switching my 2015 from the stock manifold to the 2018. Enough said.
I chose the boss manifold mostly because im making my car more of a show car and always loved the look of the manifold under the hood
Got my 2018 mani ported by Auto Mafia and had you guys make the tune. Have been really happy thus far. So awesome to wring my car out to well over 7500rpm!
I lost power. With the 18 vs. stock gen2 manfold. It did make more average power after 7k then the stock intake. 398 vs 424 rwhp and 378 vs 393 rwtq peak numbers. I also lost powe/ tq all through the rpm band.
@@rhamliniirhisounds like you’re in the minority
According to JLT if your planning on using a 2018+ intake manifold u would need to purchase the CAI for the 2018 model year.
What’s the best Manifold for the 2021 Mustang GT?
I am wanting to go the ported 18 intake manifold on 2015 but am undecided about the IMRC. Some say keep the IMRC most say delete them. Don't want to be limited as for who will tune it.
Can vouch for an 18 mani on a 17 car.
On E85 using this manifold (and Long Toob Headers) - I am pulling 450rwhp on my 2017. Which for bolt ons, is a resonable figure. I have locked out the IMRC's however. My tune really covers over the loss of low down torque.
Should’ve just gotten the pigtail adapters for the IRMCS could’ve had better low end and middle torque/power while having the same peak numbers as the lock out
@Andres V Irs literally dyno proven… do some research instead of butt dyno
@Andres V butt dyno is not everything, kids who put throttle body spacers and think their cars faster lmao
What about the cobra jet intake?
I will dyno mine soon with this manifold being ported.
what bad things happen with the torque converter?
Thank you for this educational piece!
Is it possible to get an 18 manifold on a 2012 mustang with a CARB legal tune? Also since the 18 manifold is a factory part is it also CARB legal?
Is it legal in California for a 2016 mustang?
What about pigtails and lockouts ?
Where do I get the lock out for my s197 mt-82?
If you put the 2018 manifold on a 2011-2014, will it pass an emissions test legally?
Yes, just make sure you have a tune.
No bs, thank you very much!
Performance is going to shine above 6,000 rpm... F150 guys....
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Starts truck... we'll see about that.
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Well, you're mostly right. Truck plays between 5,300 and 6,800 rpm when wide open. Otherwise getting it over 3,500 rpm is near impossible in normal driving... or so my friend said.
How is the hp gains compared to a GT350 manifold?
Yea my tuner said don’t go over 7100 rpm with my 2018 intake manifold so didn’t really benefit much because of opg and whatever
Thank you for the honest information 👍
I was told this information a year ago. The stock intake manifold on my 2017 GT is no slouch with an air intake, catback, and Lund tune so I’ll save my $700 bucks for some suspension mods.
but it falls on its face at 6300.. I have a 15 GT with the manifold, headers and tune, and she screams to 7600 STRONG.
It depends on what RPM you spend most of your time at. Some people spend most of their time in the 2500-6000, or do plenty of cruising, rarely redline it. These aren’t high horsepower 4 cylinders.
I have a coyote swap gen 1 fox body. With a 18 mani and bbk90mm TB. I swear it lags and suddenly it kick in after 4K rpm just like a turbo.
Thats just coyotes lol 😆 mines a slouch till 4k rpm on my 2015 mustang gt
might want to consider a 85mm if you aren't boosted to take advantage of the larger 90mm
Do u need a tune for a ported manifold
Very sensible advice, the reality is that unless you are driving on a tract manifold change is not worth the expense (+or-) 5 hp so many variables that you wouldn't feel the difference so many other more reasonable mods you could spend you $ on, took guts for Steeda to tell this story.
damn. really wish I saw this video before buying my 18 manifold with lockouts from you... I'm finally getting around to being ready to install it and then I see this, making me wish I got the boss manifold instead.... sucks.....
I have a 2016 F-150 with the 6R80, it has a cold air intake, headers and tune. Will this intake work for me? Trying to be fast on my daily.
Oz omega tune with this ive seen some really fast trucks so depends on tuner i think, but 11-14 i hear you need intake cams
How high can you safely rev a gen 1 coyote 7500?
Personally, mine has been fine at that but I'm not normally around there -Sam
Automatic s197 here, 1. I cant find a Cj for sh*t 2. Ive had this boss 302 sitting for a year and im just now getting around to this but i cant find a install kit for it at all + idek how the boss 302 or cj will work with my 2012 automatic. HELP
Give our sales team a call and we’ll be able to point you in the right direction! 1-800-950-0774. -Chris
The cobra jet intake was discontinued by ford with no plans of bringing it back. I contacted them yesterday as a matter of fact. Still don't know why they made such a stupid decision yet they still make the boss 302 manifold 🤣. A few places like beefcake racing might still have a few cj intakes in stock but don't expect it to be cheap.
So the gt 18 manifold not good for a 2017 f150 . Or what im confused
This guy doesn't know shit yes small gains but a ported 18gt intake with good tune is better than stock gen 3 seen big gains on f150
Low rpm guys f150 towing u don't want this manifold I have two f150s and one for racing one for towing, racing reving to 8000 rpm its a great manifold
It’s all about the tune not mods all the time
Would there be any performance gains from putting lockouts on a s550 if the manifold is already ported?
How would this work on a Gen 3 F150 with twin turbos?
It Will work
80hp
@@skullhart
Are you saying that the 2018 GT Manifold will add 80hp over the truck Manifold, with twin turbos?
What about under the curve?
@@jeffersonhenn1086 Under the curve the factory manifold would would be fine. The HP comes from the tune you would inevitably use with the turbo setup and added RPM. I have a TT hellion on my 2015 gt and the 2018 intake was worth 80hp up top. Laid down 941rwhp on E85. Are you looking for acceleration at full throttle high rpm or overall grunt around town? If the ladder keep the stock intake
For the F150 owners.. get the truck version of the 18 manifold. For the Mustang owners.. get the 2018 GT's manifold. they serve their purpose well. Also for my F150 guys dont be dumb like me and put the Boss 302 on the F150. Lose lots of power down low and only get benefits at the top end.
Is there any disadvantage with locking out the imrc on the 15 gt when installing the 18 mani ?
Low end
Loss of torque
@@tylero3356 very noticeable ? Do you recommend? Or it’s no big deal
@@karimsoccer7 compared to your Gen 2 motor it will definitely feel slower down low. Unless you race the car often just stick with your manifold. If you want more torque and power get a tune and run E85. What are your ultimate goals with the car?
@@tylero3356 i just want to be FBO and that’s it , I currently have long tube headers, cold air intake , full cat back , a tune and the 18 manifold that I haven’t installed yet
The Boss is easily the most overrated intake. CJ is king and the boss cars make bad ass power with the CJ.
not sure I totally agree. If you are applying it to the wrong application, then yes, other intakes will out perform it. But, if you are looking at a sustained high rpm application, the Boss intake should be given consideration.
@@rmiles3281 outperform the CJ? CJ makes up for everything the Boss lacks. All the low end torque lost with the BOSS, the Cj makes up for it. Ford engineers basically said that in the process of building the road runner, the CJ was the intake for all the tests and the BOSS was developed for packaging reasons. Cj will NOT fit under the strut brace.
Listen the 18 mani is and the cobra jet are the best.
Gt350> 18 manifold sorry.
@@1997obspsd 1000 bucks better ? Ahah . 18 manifold ftw
@@1997obspsd barely and it’s way more expensive
@@1997obspsd get a tune with a ported 18 mani and you'll find out
2018 is a waste of money biggest scam 700rpm of power that will barely be used unless you on the track everyday 😂
So you're saying you never actually "drive" your car? I hit 6500 rpm on a daily. It's really not that hard on a coyote. Everyone except your 80 year old grandpa that upgrades to the 18 mani will notice a difference.
@@matthewdiaz6478yeh im not going to blast to 7500 rpm on neighborhood streets I don't live on the highway or track 🤦
@@jimbrow83 Then fun isn’t for you.
@@matthewdiaz6478 I'll take a blower and neck snapping low end torque for more fun day in day out
@@jimbrow83 I would also, if it weren’t my daily. But best believe even with the blower, which doesn’t provide very much torque on this platform, would still be running it to 8k rpms. This car doesn’t make power in low rpms.