IAT's and aftermarket cold air intakes on Coyote mustangs
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- Опубліковано 7 січ 2019
- Coyote mustangs owners lately have had many choices for cold air intakes and the IAT debate is still happening. I try to shine some light on it without having someone in the industry call my boss and get me fired.
Just got 2014 gt and your channel has so much info! I’m new to the mustang world and you’re a major help man!
Loved this video. Love all the videos but this one confirmed a lot of my thoughts I've had for a long time about my 14 gt. I didnt route intake down below but I did wrap some heat shield around the tube and other things to combat under hood temps. Keep the vids coming! Cant get enough of them.
Thanks for your CAI reviews. I gave you a shout out/credit in one of my reviews on the PMAS
I have a ford performance pp2 on my 2015 gt..have had no issues with IAT. thanks for another informative video.
Man love your videos great information on this and it makes sense all day long ...
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Holy hell. That's just crazy to even think about. Wow. 🤔
True story, sighs.
OSIS_ieCoyote this is the truth.
Osis_Coyote best comment of my life. Lolololol isn’t that the fuckin truth
Nice shot at Commiefornia...lol
Love how non California’s or people who’ve never even been to California keep calling it that lol I’ve never been pulled over for a loud exhaust even it literally pops next to them the only time they’ll use that excuse is if you go to a take over or somewhere hot just so they can see if you’re not doing anything illegal
Thanks for sharing your knowledge! Its always better to shield the air filter.
Reminds me of running the Anderson Power Pipes to the fender well on foxbodies back in the day
Yes!! Back in the Good ol Days of the Foxbodies. Hahaha. The Ram Air underneath the front bumper. GT40 Intakes etc. Etc..
Amazing to see the same issues today as was I was seeing twenty plus ago with mustangs and turbo coupe Thunderbirds as my test vehicles,Going from sitting traffic then straight to my Dyno for more testing during the hot AZ summers. Still had people that didn't care to listen because they knew better.
Good info! I ceramic coated my throttle body housing inside and out on my old Termi swapped coupe and it was instant. Car would protect itself in 100 degree TX days, this change in same environment was noticeable.
Alex, I have an '18 and was looking at the driver's side grill where the intake gets it's air. It is a very small opening. I haven't seen anyone do anything with the stock grill and opening. Either open it up or port that area for lack of a better term. You showed a race setup up feeding from under the car. I taped the top of my CAI and pulled my hoodliner. I am also trying to modify the hood vents, especially the driver's side to help draw cold air in from that vent..the temps are to high.my work brought them down a few 6-8 degrees..I know a lot of people buy aftermarket grills that may be a solution. Figuring out how to get more air from the outside to the inside is my goal.. good analysis on covered CAI..I agree on that. For fun I put a blue ice block on top of the cone filter and it worked for about 10 minutes. Lol
I think what you are saying all makes sense to me in regards to IAT difference. Also going to depend on were the IAT sensor is located. Great video for people that may not understand.
Best ford Channel ever, telling me things I didn’t know I wanted to learn until you say it!!!
This was a good one. I actually wrapped my jlt intake on my tvs gt500 with gold heat wrap reflective tape and saw a 20f lower iat in the exact same rush hour driving conditions same atmospheric temps. It was literally a $45 home experiment that worked.
This is why I have the Airaid intake tube, and an aFe Pro dry inverted filter in the stock airbox. My IATs are ice cold and I live in AZ. It's good to know you aren't BSing us by hyping intakes.
that why I have gotten on, that has been my thinking and I'm glad you backed it up . I don't have nothing special just s 2015 f150 with a 93 tune ,k&N filter and home made magnaflow exhaust and yes a 85mm throttle body that I got before your video. iv been looking of a cai that has the intake tube big enough to make a difference in the oem filter box and is not $300 no luck yet
finally someone who comes out and says what i have been saying for 10+years. "cold" air intakes are not cold air since most sit in the engine bay sucking in that heated air from the engine block.
EXACTLY what happened to me at the track this weekend on my scat pack.....I was waiting to due a burnout and my iat’s were up to 140°f but at the end of the run they were 90°f with the hellcat intake which is a ram air essential
That was some of the best common sense schooling I've heard since I went to tech. school in 1976! Its so hard to resist whats right! GOOD JOB Brother!
When I got my 97 Cobra, the previous owner installed a C&L short ram. The car ran strong, but on warm days (70-80°F) the car's performance would be noticeably worse. So one night I plugged in my snan tool and monitored the iat, and what i saw shocked me. 120+ i was seeing on average. So i drove my ass straight to home depot, grabbed myself 4 inch pvc and two 45° elbows and fabbed up a fenderwell intake with extensions to the lower grill. Iat are within +/-2 degrees of ambient still, and 2-3 lower than ambient when moving. Massive difference.
Hi Alex , I'm big fan of your channel , will be bringing my car GT350 to Power by the Hour for E85 and Dyno tunning this month and I will love if you can make a video , let me know . Keep up the good vids.
Makes sense to me. I installed a Roush CAI on my 2004 Mustang GT that went inside the fender well.
Yeah Roush made a 180 on their units for the 18s and lidded them. I put their 2016 model unit on my 16 GT. It was an open element. Not only noticed high IATs but when it sat in a rain storm the filter saturated from location of hood heat extractor. Nothing like leaving work and sputtering on interstate 55 getting the dreaded wrench icon on the “infotainment” screen. Ended up having to replace the Mass Air Sensor over it. Tried cleaning it but had loss of torque in high RPM range. That info may help some of you guys out who noticed a dramatic loss of power above 4K RPM... good stuff Alejandro.
My fox came with a "short ram" intake but I moved to a fender-fed CAI. Not just for the IATs, but the turbulent engine bay air (from the radiator fan and the alternator's internal fan) was throwing weird readings at the MAF. One more thing to consider.
So alex based off this info do you still recommend the pmas as the best cai for an n.a 11 coyote? I had an airaid tune req cold air and swapped it for the pmas but noticed the sheilding is definitely better on the airaid.
I appreciate that you credit Ford. I feel like I'm building my '18 to a GT350R, but the stuff makes sense. Bang for your buck is right in the ford performance catalog.
Meanwhile in new hampshire i drove my s550 to work in a snowstorm
I also had a cold air intake for my WRX but it had a huge heat shield around it. I only saw a max at about 120 in bumber to bumber.Driving it around was 90-100. It was ETS intake and seemed very good.
... but... PMAS? How?
Great info like always Alex 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Great video . 🙌 4:00 lmao throwing shots to the ppl on the west coast 🤣💀
That thermal wrap and filter in the fender well works wonder, been running that setup on my 16 gt for a few years now. Will need a custom tune to calibrate the maf depending on piping size. Velocity stack, no filter = crazy screamin coyote. =)
Data point. I had an open box intake on my 15. In bad traffic standstill I saw iat of 190 and CHT of 230. Babied it home after that
Lol a classic saying “ im gonna do like the dude in Blue” !!!!! Lmfao bro I always rewind and watch it!!! Lmfao!!! Your awesome bro
Stock intake with K&N drop in filter here, I think its a good setup.
How would it be going to e85 with ngauge but with the drop in K&N filter or should I go with a aftermarket JLT Etc..
Agreed! That's what I have
K&N filters. For those who believe in magic.
@@DJ_Force They actually do flow more air, you can look at MAF reading results and other peoples tests. There is a reason almost no aftermarket intakes use paper filters. The reality is that aftermarket hot air intakes are for people who believe in magic. Let me guess, you have an aftermarket intake lol
@@a.wheeler7731 Are you saying Ford (and GM and Dodge) left horsepower on the table because they didn't make the air filter big enough to supply the stock engine with the air it needs?
As for my vehicle, it has an intake system designed by a company that spends over $6 Billion in R&D every year.
Last, the filter says it is good for 100,000 miles. Chicken wire is also good for 100,000 miles, beside it also doesn't trap dirt. I want a filter that gets clogged with dirt instead of passing it into the engine.
The sn95 had the intakes in the fenders too, only problem with that, is it’s easier to suck up water...
Dam right when you sent me the tune. Went with the pmas intake. And I did notice my IAT is hotter at idling.
We post very random video ideas lol useful though! Thanks for the info bro
Interesting. I have a PMAS on my ‘15 GT. In 40 degree weather, it was around 5-10 degrees higher while driving. Once I sat still, the temp went up to 120. It’s not a big deal because the slightest movement backs the IAT down. Yeah, I’ll just keep cruising with my PMAS. Doesn’t bother me.
Hey alex, been a long time subscriber since the yolo videos, one question I have of you is, what are your thoughts on catch cans for S550s? I have a 17 GT and do run it hard I'd say, but is it needed for a daily/auto cross car?
Got my Steeda closed CAI Saturday and my tune from Alex today, looking forward to seeing how it performs!
I installed the tune from Alex, installed no problem and car started perfectly as well, can't drive it until the weather we are having gets better though so in the garage it will stay.
KlipschHead281 how did the car drive?
I noticed a lot of the new edges where the filter is inside the fender of the engine bay.
Great idea! Makes allot of sense. The cold air dyno tests results are inaccurate in comparison to real driving conditions!
you are spot on ! Geat show buddy !
I always hoped that ford would have carried over there idea from the test mule lightning they had that used the a/c system to super cool the intake air down into the 30 something degrees that for like 20 sec or so gave a bump in power substantially and had a recharge time of like a minute.wish they would have used it on there performance vehicles but guess it was a cost issue or they later found problems with it.
jrockmk8 I’ll bet condensation was a factor. Plus the scfm of air processed, a coyote engine is over 1000 at WOT and your average 2 Ton home air conditioner is rated for 800. Pretty wild how much air your engine is actually processing.
Amen. I have always hated the term “Cold Air Intake”. It’s just an intake. 👌
Steeda CAI on my 14 gt uses the factory grill inlet. I see 1-2° around ambient while moving and only about 10-15° after sitting still for a couple minutes, then they drop right back down after blipping the trottle
Great video, I always learn from your videos man. Still rocking with PMAS though?
He tempts me to sell my airaid for a PMAS
Martin Guajardo right me too!
I ran both,cold air and stock.The INT on the cold air intake went up to 160 when at stand still.on the stock the INT was about 120,but with the cold air when underway The INT was about ten degrees above the outside temp.The stock was hotter then the cold air intake when underway,but not by much,I went back to the stock setup.
Doubting a guy who tunes for a living? He literally gets paid to do this what could he possibly know about it?! Just look at the brands he works with literally gets no better! Love your videos and the content! Keep em coming please
I have been saying the aftermarket CAI power numbers are false forever because of the hood open being tested vs the stock which doesn't matter if the hood is open or not. In fact on my 2013 I never did get a CAI mainly because none of them at the time had a closed box design.
Great video
My ‘15 has always had temps 5 - 6 deg over ambient on startup. With my PMAS CAI I see 8-10 over ambient warmed up on the hwy even in summer, but I’ve also done some baffling and opened up areas advantageous to cooler flow. But when it was installed “as is” the temps shot up pretty quick. Not sure why the aftermarket hasn’t done what I did. Maybe expense?
Alex, this may be a really dumb question, but I'm curious for your input. If you had a closed airbox and heat wrapped around the box, tube and on the bottom of the intake manifold, could it help performance?
Would the heat wrap under the intake manifold cause issues?
EXACTLY! I said it over and over and no one believed me lol. The stock design is great for street driven cars, the only better CAI option I see out there is the stock GT350 CAI with the GT350 snorkel. Been running it for 3 years and AIT are not an issue, I'm guessing because its designed to work well with the hood. All of the other aftermarket CAI are really cheap in fit and finish. Sure they flow well with the hood open like Alex mentioned, but in real world driving they just don't perform well.
The gt350 intake is basically a closed intake it seals nicely with the hood 🙃
Yep! That's why I got one.
Alex I agree on everything that you have said.I have a 2019 GT. I put a GT350 cold air intake on because it got rid of the silly sound tube and no more mufflers on the intake tube,now when I put my foot into it I hear the intake as well as the pipes.I can say this my car revs easier and winds up quicker with the GT350 intake,I'm going by seat of the pants,not dyno numbers.My car will never be on a dyno,Its a street car.The way the car runs now I would never put the stock air box back on except to trade in the car.Having said that,I got lucky and bought an intake from a wreck for 100 bucks,replaced the air cleaner and went with it.Would I pay 350 for a new one ?Perhaps not.
Thank you. Cool video.
Hey dude can you make a video on how heat affects engines? i live in Houston and as you know from when you lived here the summer heat sucks, but I’ve always wondered if me driving on grand parkway in the mid summer for 30 mins does any kind of damage to my car since it can get 103 mid day. And same kinda opposite, at what cold temperature does it start to affect performance? I’ve noticed the sweet spot for me is 60-70 degrees, but I don’t have the car knowledge you have so I’m just curious
I wonder the same thing here in west texas
100% on point. From personal experience I’ve unfortunately confirmed this.
The new Steeda CAI with the lid sounds like an ideal option
I have an RTR style grill
With an air raid closed box intake. That sucks in air from right inside the opening of my light .. can’t get better then that
I'm pretty sure you've went over this in the past and your past information on it is part of why I went with the intake I did for my 2018 Raptor. Lots of flow but it's a (mostly) closed box that uses the stock intake-inlet. Common sense for people that know how air intakes actually work, engine bay air is going to be warmer than the stock air box's inlet air, but you definitely need to explain it to ... well, a lot of these people. lol
So with that in mind, would reflective wrap on a stock cold air be a better investment than most aftermarket cold airs?
My 98 GT has the filter outside the fender as well.
What about the steeda with the closed box? Seems like the best option.
My IATs in my 2019 are always around like 5 degrees warmer than the outside temp
I actually had higher iat's with the stock air box then my jlt. At idle they were about similar.
Steeda seems to be the best choice based off what you are saying. It has a larger housing (121mm I believe) and a closed box..
From what I've seen thus far; with the E85 Tune, it idles and runs like shit until you get moving
@@Youngsoldier93 not to mention the mass airflow housing looks sloppy and sensor doesn’t sit straight.
I don't complain about IATs. I love to hear my blower whine!
The cold air intake for my 1995 GT put the filter in the fenderwell as well. As far as the airbox, this is why the Roush kits comes with a closed lid that attaches to Ford's airbox.
I have a pmas intake and in the summer here in Texas IATs get to like 150 in traffic so I made a custom closed air box for it that’s heat wrapped and my IATs dropped more than 30*
Boom!!
Man I did the same thing! Take some time to make it look decent but well worth it
Mine has a window on the lid and is wrapped with a gloss carbon fiber vinyl looks more expensive than it actually is 😂👏🏾 It only cost me like 10$
I should have done that. I went cooler tstat to help the engine cool faster and used velossa big mouths to bring down the temps and back wash off the radiator. Temps still rises not as high though but it doesn't heat soak the intake anymore and they quickly drop when I move. Thats PMAS in 108 Cali summer temps.
What material did you make it out of?
Outstanding 👍
Have my 2016 Roush mustang and we did a custom tune, VMP cooler and all, is there a better intake then the Roush ones? I did a different grill that took away the plastic over the intake and helped a lot as I can stick my hand and feel the filter from the bumper triangle, bit it has a closed lid top still and the filter has the cap at the top, should I get a different style inverted cone on the top or just leave what I have?
Thanks
What about an 18 with whipple Alex, what can we do then about IATs ?
You're kinda contradicting yourself though. It another video were you are reviewing a PMAS or JTL (not sure of the brand) you said that high air flow matter more than IATs.
Unfortunately, the GEN3 grill design is air restrictive for better aerodynamics (better gas mileage). Personally, I think that Ford could have designed the inlet duct better and placed it differently for better air flow - without creating more drag.
How about a 2011 mustang gt with AIRAID dry intake? I’ve been wanting it so I don’t have to spray the oil on it just wash also it’s humongous and have a removable sleeve to make bigger. COSTS 390$ not sure if I want to invest I have sct tuner maybe you can send a tune if you think it’s worth it
Thanks true stuff
Isn’t some of the Temp delta since you are parked on concrete?
Need to make sure of 2 things..
1. The cold air intake intakes from a place of cold air.
2. The intake is hear shielded.. exhaust wrap from eBay works well and is cheap..
I have a rear mount turbo car. My iats dropped from 125 degrees (90 outside temp FLORIDA CAR
) to 10 above ambient temperature from wrapping the engine bay intake pipe...
Looking at my stock tune, timing started to get pulled at 110 degrees....
My buddy has a trailblazer ss with an ls2 and an expensive intake, closed box etc.. he had 150 degree iats at idle....
Bottom line, just wrap your shit up.
In Honda world, inside bay filter are called Short ram intake and outside called cold air intake. Don't understand why you call a intake with the filter near the engine an cold air intake.
lflcoast That’s how you sell products to the Murcia muscle crowds, I would say without a tune almost all so called “cold air” perform worse than stock air box.
When u go to buy these products that’s the name ‘JLT Cold Air Intake’ ‘C&L Cold Air Intake’ etc. it’s simple
Correct. None of those new intakes for the Mustang are CAIs. The old SN95s had plenty of intakes that relocated the filter out of the engine bay and into the fender well. Those were real CAIs as at least there was an attempt to pickup air from a colder area. I didnt buy into the hype. I'm still running the stock box with K&N drop in filter.
I had a Honda and tried a short ram intake. Performed far less than simply using the stock box and replacing the resonator with a pipe angled into the fender well.
That's not a Honda thing. A cold air intake doesn't have to be "outside" the engine bay. If manufactures could do that, I'm sure they would. Except anything that isn't a 4 cylinder lacks the room to route a tube and a filter down the fender well or front bumper. This is why 80% of CAIs on non 4 bangers have their intakes on top of the fenderwell, with a wall and rubber gaskets that separate the inlet from the rest of the engine. The air still comes from the fender; outside. Obviously, there are some exceptions like G37s and 335is, but I digress.
i can you run a intake pipe from air mass sensor to front grille and put the filter inside the grille , thank you
Roush makes the best CAI. That along with the big Ford Racing fan helps temps. OTOH all of the Mustangs have radiators that are too small.
Can we get a old yolo style vid on this subject.
Kept my stock air box, put a airaid tube and iat did not suffer, simple yet affective!!! S197 world 5.0 baby
N/A problems. On my turbo car, my intercooler is so damn big I can suck air from the firey pits of hell and the intercooler will take it down to ambient temp or close to it.
The Bullitt version has an open cold air intake. Can't say it ever gets hot enough in the UK for it to be a problem ❄⛄
It's the same version as the American ones
And also the gt350 is open as well
My enclosed AirRaid CAI seems to do the trick.
The real question is: Is it doing anything better than your original stock box that came with the car for "free"?
Can't wait to move back to fl
IATs really only matter when you're moving and have air flowing in through the grill. Otherwise you're seeing the effect of heatsoak when sitting at a light at idle. Once you move the temps will drop. I'm in South FL and last time I monitored the IAT in my 2017 GT with a K&N Intake I was 3-5 deg above ambient. It was 85F and I was seeing IAT numbers around 88-91F, up to 115-120F at a light. Before you say it most intakes get the same performance numbers when tested because the throttle body can only let in so much at a time but that doesn't matter for this discussion. The temps you see won't go down because of a CAI, as mentioned they may go up but what you are gaining is the air flowing more freely to the throttle body with fewer restrictions plus a better sound.
Ford has already done the r n d regarding air flow, don't waste your money on a CAI.
Ooohhhhh i get it alex, ram air hood ok cool got it
But then again, so are regular dyno tests. They also are done with the hood up and if it has an open air filter then much more air is getting in with out all the engine bay heat. Just saying...
Alex is there a reason you don’t have a cold air intake on your new mustang. Our are you planning on installation one soon ? Thanks
A blower with an intercooler. :)
Hey what do u feel is the best cold air intake for the 302 boss manifold I know the Pmas is the best in the business but it doesn’t fit properly with the 302 boss without making some modifications. What is your take on this
Alejandro Flores
So will a covered cai be good and whats the best cai with a lund e85 tune
What if you have a functional ram air hood?
Finally someone with some common sense. Thats Alex for saying this. Tired of hearing people even talk about there i.a.ts when they have no clue what htere talking sbout any way. Meah
The factory box is better may not look pretty but does it job. Instead of a sound tube have an ac line to the intake close box, i'll bet it will be denser and the O2 amount will be better. can you tune a stock mustang :) no CAI . can I get atune that will put me in 9 sec pass LOL
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i just recently got a 2014 mustang with 60.000 miles and the mata trucka has issued that the computer says
U0109 and P025A and already switched the fuel module and still has issues im just disappointed to me it seems like the last own did something to it or idk but its in the dealership at this moment i only had it for 22 days and 6 days in the dealer and i idk what to do can you guys help me?
Can’t believe people haven’t heard of “dirty air” before