Dune 2 Part 2 Review (SPOILER VERSION)
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Paul: "I'm not a messiah, I'm just a normal guy"
*later*
Stilgar: "He's so humble, he has to be the messiah"
Did they take that for the Life of Brian?
cinema laughed at those moments lmao
Stilgar was hilarious the entire time
"Only the Messiah would say he's not the Messiah!"
Lol he believed what he wanted to
Anyone else notice that the un-drugged prisoner was an atreides officer that got a LOT of screen time in the first film? He's at almost every military/royal meeting scene. Excellent touch
Roger Yuan as Lieutenant Lanville. He’s a longtime martial artist and stuntman. I think he coordinated a lot of the stunts and fights in both films.
@@WisdomThumbsYes, he was one of the fight choreographers for both films.
I did *not* notice that. Thanks for pointing it out!
I thought I had seen him before in part 1, I was sure of it. Good catch.
He really went down giving the Atreides the reputation as fighters that they deserve.
Lady Jessica using the voice on a Fremen soldier, despite the fact he would follow her commands even without the voice, shows how ruthless she is. She is not giving any chance for mistakes.
She comes to a point of expecting utter obedience.
@@joythought I get the feeling that alia's manipulating everybody
@@TheMarkmcrABOMINATION!
@@TheMarkmcrwell, she is just like her grandpa.
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 the baron didn't seem interested in galactic genocide. I don't even think he cared about the imperial throne
The scene after Jessica takes the water of life, where it hard cuts to Stilgar and his friends saying “of course the messiah would be to humble to say he’s the messiah” killed me
That shit was so funny 🤣 whole theater was dying laughing
Pyyhonesque.
Right? "Life of Brian" had John Cleese saying lines to 100% the same extent!
@@chrismalinowski654Definitely: there was plenty of chuckling and outright laughter in our theatre, too.
monty pithon sayed in some funy movie that only true prophet voude denied he is true prophet lol
My favorite performance from the film has to be Javier Bardem's Stilgar. He starts off funny and charismatic but over the course of the film you realize the horror and tragedy of his character as he slowly transforms from Paul's friend and mentor to little more than a fanatical follower, consumed by the prophecy.
"Lead them to paradise," followed by Stilgar, without question or hesitation, leading the Fedaykin legions to begin their holy war across the stars. Serious chills. The whole ending sequence, and especially that line - "Lead them to paradise" - will be burned into my mind for a long time.
Agreed and it will make his character arc in Messiah even more tragic once he realises his mistake.
Stilgar was perfectly casted Javier Bardem is exactly what I envisioned when reading the books
My favourite line in the book is pretty late in when Paul is talking to Stilgar and he internally thinks "I have lost a friend and gained a follower" (not verbatim) and I think the film perfectly captures that transition over the runtime.
Horror? That’s probably not the correct word to use.
@@MrsTruthTeller horror seems like the perfect word to use.
That moment he tells the reverend mother "Silence!" and she gets knocked back was a nice touch since he was pissed she used the voice on him in part 1 and he flaunted his new power level on her. Quick moment but loved it.
Abomination!
Abomination
Yeah, I liked how she was like: "Pffft, abomination (ಠ_ಠ)ノ" about it.
Yeah, but isn’t alia supposed to be the abomination, not Paul?
Yeah no, it was a pair of the moment thing. You’re the type to be like “the author choose the shade of blue for his walls to represent his and that” while no, the walls were just blue 💀
They almost squeezed a Monty Python bit in verbatim lmao.
"I am not the Messiah, don't you understand? Honestly!"
"...Only the TRUE messiah denies his divinity!"
"What!? What sort of chance does that give me? Alright I AM the messiah!"
"HE IS!!! HE IS THE MESSIAH!!!"
hopefully they'll throw some start wars references in next, like the Baron can say "NO ALIA, I AM YOUR GRANDFATHER" and Alia can go "Noooooo!" haha. classic reference (it's from something else but I recognize it)
Brilliant @@blank4227
"Bring out yer dead!"
"He's not the messiah he's just a naughty boy!"
"We use the voice to say, 'NIH'!"
I think the unborn Alia makes more sense in the movie, it means that you don't have to try and show a 2 year old that can walk and talk like a regular adult. Means that by movie 3 we can have a more grown up Alia who's still young but very sharp.
But it also means Paul went from novice teenager to warrior god that knows all the Freman ways within a matter of months.
@@AllenSmitheit is written
“He shall know your ways”
@@timtim6373 I mean, sure, but he still had to learn, and it was quite awhile before he finally rode a worm. Its not like the book has him just drop in and be a pro.
There was nothing "regular adult" about her, she was flat out freakish and terrifying.
I agree with you, but I think it would've been even more too Out There for audiences than even you we're seeming to suggest.
@@WallKenshiro there's a difference between distracting and off putting. Alia the character is meant to be off putting, she's barely a toddler yet talks, acts, and moves like an adult and is even willing to kill. However I feel like that would be lost somewhat if they had to CGI her into the film, people would think what they found off putting was the CGI and look of her and less so about the fact that this is a toddler fully conscious and aware.
Paul says "this one died like an animal" when he kills the Baron, and he stabs him through the neck, so it's clearly still a Gom Jabbar reference
shiiiiit
Bruh.....🤯
As he kills him, the Baron is also trying to crawl out of danger, exactly what the Gom Jabbar test is checking that you won't do, so there's a visual layer to the reference too.
Hello sir, do you frequent P&R?
@@QuantumHistorianAnd the Baron is crawling towards the throne, which is emphasized in the way the scene is shot.
Paul: *does nothing*
Stilgar: LISAN AL GAIB
😂 true
Life of brian reference. Villenueve you hack!
This is reddit. This is memes.
The translation for lisan al gaib has me ded
@@davidyin5831
Hahahaha!
Who said oral isn't natural?
Not the Lisan al Gaib!
This needs the 4hour director's cut treatment. I feel like there's just so much more to it than what we were given.
I don't think he does directors cuts
@@stewartwooles8900 For THIS movie, if he does a bit of research and finds a potential audience, he needs to do one from the many days of available content that couldn't fit inside 2.5 hours.
There’s a book…
Denis ain’t Zack Snyder lol
No it does not.
The cinematography was beautiful. Remember the scene after Paul wakes up from drinking the water of life? The room is full of people and it focuses in on Jessica, and the lights go dim, and it swings around to Paul in an empty room. It was like a play. I love that
I loved the scene when Paul walked into the building where the emperor was. It comes just after the scene where he walks through thousands of fremen and the big fight. And he has his hood on and it seems to effing sinister how he looks at all the people. It’s perfect. Loved that scene
@@mayatrash Like a SIth Lord
I think Austin butler performance was incredible as well. Obviously he looked very creepy but the way he seemed to emulate Stellan skargard voice was very cool.
I didn't like that about his performance. Everything was stellar for me until he started talking like the baron. The character should have been portrayed like it was but maybe he could gone more sociopathic/seducing on his voice instead of ruthless like the baron.
He gave me Jared Leto Joker vibes tbh
His voice was legit identical, just younger. I think that was an on-the-nose attempt to let you know Fayd was the Baron's _actual_ heir.
Loved his performance, was kinda sad when he's finally defeated.
@@emilianohermosilla3996 I don’t think his voice really matches Feyd that well, but I liked it and got used to it. But I do think it’s interesting and realistic that a son has a slightly similar voice to his father
The juxtaposition of the Harkon burning the Atreides body with the Fremen burning the Sadukar and Harkon bodies at the end was perfect.
Paul has a line, "Now we are Harkonan." This one line shows the core premise of Dune and Dune Messiah.
literally the same shot ugh so good
Yeah I loved that - it really brings everything full circle. As Chani says 'who will our new oppressors be.'
Wouldn't the fremen reuse tge water from the dead bodies instead of burning them?
@@cklambo corruption begins with small steps...
I loved the addition of the black sun on Geidi Prime, and the possibility that the effects of that sun is what changed the Harkonnens so much.
Yeah, I loved that detail on Giedi Prime. A black and white world during day time.
Was awesome
Paint splotches for fireworks.
I wish they had shown similar attention to Kaitain.
I heard they used infrared cameras for that scene!
The Geidi Prime scene give me nightmare. Guess the environment where you grow really make you....
The only unbelieveable part of the movie is that Lea Seydoux needed to use the voice to get someones seed.
lmao real
i'd guess she used it to just disarm feyd and keep him from harming her
You have to remember that her mission was not only to secure the bloodline, but to determine whether the Bene Gesserit would be able to control him in future.
@@evan12697 I wish SHE had played Princess Irulan.
@@elizabethhuber434 fair honestly
Paul: "lead them to paradise"
The Fremen: "OH BOY, HERE I GO KILLING AGAIN!"
Honestly a really complex line to end the film on (i know it wasnt the final line) felt like the locks on a bank vault being shut never to be reopened
Movie only fan here. During that scene the Freman board some space ship, does they just hijack the emperor's Saudakar ship or it's their own?
@@zainiikhwan9405they hijack all the emperors ships and begin the jihad across the galaxy
@@zainiikhwan9405They hijack the ships and start the Jihad
@@ShaktiChaturvedi Which would be impossible - or wouldn't take them very far - without the support of the Guild.
Upon reflection, the Bene Gesserit claiming to have manipulated the Emperor into the conspiracy against the Atreides serves 2 things: 1. It explains my question with the book that the emperor couldn't have done it without at least the BG's tacit approval, and 2. It justifies spending so little screentime on the Emperor since he is just another chesspiece in the BG's game.
what about the navigators guild? they were in on it
In the 1984 movie....yes
In the book i think there was a certain report in the Appendix, about the Guild "seeing a knot in the future" or something of the kind. But that was all@@araf4t
So your second point is why I believe that they decided to completely nix most of the political scheming of the first book, but I still think it does a disservice to the story because it cheapens the depth of the plot.
I believe that the BG were reluctant participants to the atreides demise in the book. The BG loved to manipulate rather than to destroy. Emperors throughout human history were known to remove potential challengers to their power because they were becoming popular.
@@dartheria7914you're correct, great deviation from the source material cheapens it
When Paul and Gurney meet again was awesome . “I recognized your footsteps old man.”
Lovely change from the book and a nice reminder of the pre-training moment back on Caladan.
I teared up a little bit "you young pup!" Awh! Such a sweet line ❤
As soon as I saw the smugglers I immediately knew what was happening. My face was nothing but grin.
...and then we got Gurney strumming his baliset!
I felt bad for gurneys workers. They blew up his carry all and disabled his harvester :(
I like that he didn't right away say "PAUL!" Like they do in other movies. He was like stunned for a solid 10 seconds like a real person would be. I really liked that little nuance.
I love the Feyd-Rautha and Lady Fenring scene. Making him an intelligent calculating sadistic psychopath made for a more dimensional character. Someone asked how he could pass the gom jabbar, and the point should be that he’s in control enough to be human and not an animal (ie a product of Bene Gesserit genetics), but he’s still able to be manipulated.
People keep saying Timothee’s performance improved since the last movie … but it seems they’re not understanding he’s portraying a different Paul in the first movie.
exactly. In the first movie he was a kid who's father had died and who lost everything. In the second movie he was a prophet with a huge army of fanatics behind him and magical powers
@@charlesreid9337 🎯
Agreed. In Dune 2 he's required to extend more by the story.
I actually loved the growth of Paul's character from part 1 to 2. The struggle he goes through to understand this world he's being thrust into, how you serve little moments of him accepting his power. I love the line at the end of part 1 where he says, " my road leads into the desert, if you'll have us, we will come" Very Messiah like, I got chills. Then throughout 2 you see him more and more understand where he must go, fighting it all the way until he takes the water of life. Once he knows the path, the confidence and power he steps into it fully. Excited to see the evolution and the devotion of him in Messiah.
100% agree with this
It reminded me of Monty Python's Life of Brian. "I'm not the messiah!"
..."He's so humble. He must be the messiah!"
Lol, it was the exact same scene.
While funny it definitely made me think Paul was doing it to be fake humble, knowing it was a gamble in his favor to win over the fremen
This was before he drank the All Syrup Super Squishy, so he probably wasn't faking it at that time.
I IMMEDIATELY thought the same thing about the Life of Brian when I saw that scene. I kept thinking “a shoe! He gave a sign with his shoe!”
"Only the true Messiah denies his divinity!"
"What? Well what sort of chance does that give me? ALRIGHT I AM THE MESSIAH!"
@@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319 "See! He is the Messiah!"
Paul: I’m not the messiah.
Fremen: He is the messiah!!!
“Any man who must say ‘I am the king’ is no true king” - Tywin Lannister
He's not the Messiah! He's a very naughty boy!
He's not the messiah, He's just a naughty boy.
Was laughing out loud
"He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
The Baron’s ear closeup with the ants has to be a David Lynch Blue Velvet homage
Nice catch! I thought it felt just slightly out if place, and that would explain its insertion and extra focus.
Oh my god you genius
I find it interesting that Feyd Rautha passed the Gom Jabbar test not through self control, but the fact that he was so far on the other extreme of crazy, that he passed it that way. Definately different from the book version of Feyd, but I really like it.
How did he pass it in the book, if you don’t mind answering?
@@vladyakubets I'm pretty certain that there was no gom jabbar test for Feyd in the book
No such test appears in the book - and the film doesn't show how he passed the test.
The only possible reason that might be deduced from the Lady Fenring's statement that he loves pain.
@vladyakubets we don't know if he was tested
@@DoddyIshamelWell, we saw the box and the gom jabar, so it is most likely.
The princess was perfect casting, her wardrobe was insane.
Was thinking the same thing. Everyone is gushing over Stilgar or how improved Chalamets performance was - but Princess Irulan definitely blew me away. Very different from how I imagined her character reading the books but somehow this is THE definitive Irulan to me.
Loved it even more when I realized she had been the lead in Midsommar!
I didn't rate her performance that much - I feel like the first book does her dirty by not giving her much agency. If they do Messiah and have Irulan back then I'd be excited to see how Pugh can build on what she is given
@@disseminationnetwork Florence Pugh folks! We got the best of a generation in this film! And let’s not forget we also have Anya Taylor-Joy as Aaliyah!
@@adamstern5116 - Alia
When jesscia takes the water of life. I loved that you see the old reverend mother just look in shock and say "what have we done. She's pregnant " and just gets sent to the shadow relam lol. Although you saw how scared she was when she realized that and how badly she fucked up.
But Jessica was EVIL in this. Like the whole monolog about them starting with the south because they were more likely to fall in line and in order to praise Paul and then the strong would be next. That was haunting like basically what a cult leader would sound like. Fear is a a strong weapon and jesscia used it so damn well
yes, that scene was incredible. and evil Jessica was a good choice.
Because she fell in love with Leto, and has revenge in her heart and only cares about Paul, not about the potential deaths of BILLIONS... Love, revenge, and connection, is an absolutely horrific mix for a Benne...
The Bene Gesserit implanted myths and legends everywhere in case one of them was stranded and in danger. So, of course, it would mean tools to manipulate the people there.
How are so many people seeing it early?
@@stillnotchill2560fan fest screening on sunday night in select imax theaters in the US.
The moment when Jessica uses the Voice on Chani to fulfill the prophecy was so uncomfortable and violating, I physically squirmed in my seat. Absolutely incredible movie that gets Frank Herbert's message across perfectly.
Personally I found this part stupid, Jessica tells Chani if she doesn't do it he will die, and she is like "I don't feel like it". Jessica makes her do it, saves Paul and then she gets upset when it works! She needs to be literally forced to do the only thing that would save the life of the person she apparently loves.
If only she were a better actress, it would have been clearer that while she loves him she is scared of what will become of him if he wakes up. @@Blandy0487
@@Blandy0487tell me you don't understand her inner struggle without telling me you don't understand her inner struggle lmao
She suspected (correctly) what would happen if she helped him trough it, and the fact that she was manipulated to decide that right there and then by Jessica, made her that more reluctant.
It's one thing to save a person you love, it's a completely different thing if that person also happens to be the leader of a galaxy wide holy crusade, promising billions dead.
@@Talossy Your reasoning is backward, she didn't know at that time it would result in billions of deaths, and being forced to do something doesn't make her reluctant, it had the exact opposite effect
You can't tell me your reaction with the one you love from going omg he's definitely going to die, to oh he's actually okay would be, face slap and storm off
I understand the inner turmoil, it was just handled poorly, like most of the movie
@@Blandy0487 I never said she KNEW it lmao, but you are definitely not giving her enough credit.
And yes, forcing a person to make a decision on the spot is definitely going to influence what they decide.
Also, don't tell me you don't get how a person can be angry at someone they love.
If you had a son who rode a motorcycle extremely recklessly all the time and got into an accident, how would you react?
First you would be glad they are okay and then you'd be pissed at them for risking their life.
I know I'm oversimplifying, and in Chani's circumstances there were even more factors influencing her feelings about Paul, so her reaction is completely understandable.
Stillgar & all the “He’s too humble” had the whole theater laughing everytime at the premier I was at 😂
yeah it got a laugh at my showing too.
Same
Same here 😂
I thought it a reference to "life of brian" 😅😅
Monty Python
Paul addressing the Fremen war council was maybe the best part for me.
So glad you said this I 1000% agree
He scared me. That's how well acted that part was.
Chalamet knocked it out of the park with his performance. The complete 180 in his attitude after drinking the waters of life was intense.
Agreed, loved it , he fully accepted the his fate as the leader
@@nodrama490 The moment he drank the water of life, he became something different. Like the same happened to Jessica. They kinda stop being understandable characters and fully become like halfgods with nothing in their minds except plans within plans within plans, doing exactly what they have to do to get their desirable outcome.
My fav part about the Chani changes is that it really gives a clear reason to why Paul loves her so much. There is a line where he says to Ghurney about the Fremen "They used to be friends, now they are followers". Paul is clearly distraught about this but the only person left whom he actually has a genuine human connection with and sees him as human being is Chani. It gives a reason for why his love to her is so deep and why he is willing to make his choice if it means he gets to stay with her. I especially love how Chanis reaction to Paul at the end is of someone who really loves you but is also very dissapointed in you.
I mean, it doesn't verge too far away from the book idea that Irulan might be Paul's spouse, but Chani will forever be his wife.
And all Irulan will ever get is her scholarly pursuits, and her position besides Paul.
No more than even that.
I don't think they needed to do that to Chani, it's such a departure from who/what she really is to Paul. I mean, they did change/expand other characters but they kept the core essence. E,g. Feyd was changed but he is still the anti-Paul and his opponent in the end, so the changes made sense to set him up; Alia is different but her and Jessica are still these mystical, powerful figures that commit to the prophecy; I can even tolerate Stilgar's changes (though they made him recite from Monty Python Life of Brian), because ultimately he is a believer and follows Paul to the end. But Chani in this movie is just... awful. She's devoted to Paul and is a willing mother to his children. In this version she's just there to spoonfeed the audience what the message of the movie is and add more unneeded drama. So now instead of a tragedy, a victim of Paul's machinations, she's now a mouthpiece and a caricature.
@@ramflight hm... I don't know about if they needed to do it but I certainly really liked it and appreciate the repercussions those changes meant for the story.
I do disagree about herecomming of as a caricature and a mouth piece, she's still a very well realised character, she's just different from the books but does not compromise the themes and the purpose so imo, it works. It was a well considered change.
@@ramflight I guess the biggest challange now is how Villenuve will bridge into Messiah. Cuz we have to believe it when Chani finally comes around to Paul's pov. But if its done successfully and not forced it could add even more interesting complexities to the movie version.
Tbh chani would have been boring if she revered him like stilgar
I’ve waited 45 years to see a successful Dune adaptation on the big screen. It’s done, it’s … definitive. A huge fan of the Frank Herbert hexalogy, I realized I’m very comfortable with his changes, though I had doubts about Lady Jessica’s portrayal in Part 1 - much better in Part 2. Ferguson is awesome in both parts, by the way. As a fellow Québécois, I’ve followed Denis’s career climb with awe, amazement and pride since the mid-nineties. Twenty years after LOTR, we have a Duneverse to cherish now. Thanks, Quinn !
The way the energy flips after he takes the worm piss, the way he goes from holding back and trying to be a really good guy to full Alexander genghis khan is crazy it’s crazy. This movie is f nuts.
The whole movie changes after this. I had the feeling that at this point, Paul stops being the focal point through which we see the story and the view changes to Chani. We don’t see Paul fighting during the final assault, we see Chani charging together with the Fedaykin. Paul becomes cold and distant, and I feel like we see him through her eyes for the final part of the movie.
@@biseinerheult78 yeah. I can see that.
Chani is the conscience of the last part of the movie. She hasn't changed but the people around him are no longer exactly Fremen but are becoming "the faithful".
In the book, Paul got a glimpse of what could be. Now he knows he's picking between horrible futures.
Paul is actually protecting Chani. But you will probably see that in the next movie(ofc, you can always read Dune: Messiah and find out yourself)
I interpreted reverend mother calling Irulan her best student as her stroking the ego of the emperor.
That line was funny
It only makes sense that way. It helps to disguise the true capabilities of the BG. Therefore the scenes with Lady Fenring are a great counterpart. Fenring doesn't show the breadth of her power or control but we get a glimpse of some aspects of her subtly. I missed not getting something with her husband as those two are just two of the most fun anti-heroes in the Dune series.
Anyone notice when Chani hears Paul propose to Irulan, she does this asynchronous, uncontrollable eye blinking? Like she was making a conscious effort to not let Paul let her valuable tears fall like she did when they fell in love.
OOOH that's what that was. Awesome.
Ugh. Zendaya was the worst part of the film. Bad acting. So much pouting. Perfectly clean skin when everyone else is filthy.
@@Borodin410 Zendaya was incredible in this film I don't know which film you watched
I watched the one were she just scowled the whole time, with perfect make-up, while every other Fremen looked filthy. That was her entire character. @@curlymcdom
@@Borodin410you scream “racist” lol and I’m someone who doesn’t use that word lightly.
When Paul walks in to kill the Baron reminds me of when Stilgar first meets Leto I. Walking straight through with no regard for non-Fremen authority. Felt so full circle
Another full circle: how paul kills Feyd is a callback to the scene in the first movie where Gurney is training Paul and Paul thinks he won, only to be revealed that he would have “joined him in death.”
"It's not like things are completely peachy between Chani and Irulan in the book Dune Messiah..." Woooah, Quinn, if understatement ever becomes an Olympic discipline, that's your gold medal right there!🤣
This👆🏾👆🏾👆🏾👆🏾👆🏾👆🏾👆🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾✊🏾🫡👍🏾🔥🤣🤣🤣😆 absolutely agree! lmao
Could’ve just said you agree
@@Lion-O-Richie2040 and you can mind your own business lmao
@@Lion-O-Richie2040 Sure, but he was more entertaining than that.
Sure. But why would Chani ever trust Irulan like she seems to in the book? She's a freeman warrior! no way she would just stepped aside, let alone allow her anywhere near her body while carrying Paul's child
The scene where Paul gives the speech at the fremen council is so legendary. I'm generally not a big fan of Tim Chalamet as Paul but for those 2 minutes he dropped one of my favourite performances of all time, PERFECTLY complimented by Javier Bardems zeal. That scene is EVERYTHING. Javier Bardem honest to god deserves best supporting actor of the decade for this movie. Stilgar is such a complex character and he embodies the role as perfectly as Charles Dance does to Tywin
He really nailed it. I'm not sure if the movie captured Jessica's fear at seeing how effective he'd become and the realisation of what she'd help create. At the start she said the "Slow down..." line and after that I don't recall if her reaction was shown again.
It was spine tingling.
That scene was so jarring, it really demonstrates his change in character after drinking the waters of life, and his acceptance of his terrible purpose.
Honestly, that speech had me wanting to take on the Emperor and kick dome Sardaukar ass.
In this version I think it's a question of whether he accepts his purpose OR reconciles with the truth of his pitiless Harkonen ancestry and truly is fighting as a Harkonen with only that ruthless and remorseless pragmatism in mind guiding him to 'victory.'
I think the decadence of the emperor comes through quite well when he BRINGS HIS OWN TRAVEL PALACE to Arrakis
That’s not a palace though - that’s just a tent haha
I think the movie is shedding some old tropes. The king/emperor is stereotypically decadent and incredibly cruel. Do we really need to see that shown again. The director is giving the audience a little more credit than the typical Hollywood fare.
@@matadorprincess To me it conveyed that the message he received deeply disturbed him and he left in a hurry for Arrakis
Was that building not there already?
@@gutzz1519 its fabricated on the sand field outside of the big city.
The director mentioned in an interview that the focus of this iteration of Dune is on specifically the Bene Gesserit, which is one of the reasons why we don't see Thufir Hawat at all in Dune Part 2. It seems pretty clear that the Bene Gesserit are the villains of this iteration, and with the major twist that Chani doesn't follow Paul at the end of Dune part 2, I'm very excited to see what will happen in the potential sequel, Dune Messiah.
Perhaps she is pregnant at the end. Their First Child dies in the Books. Maybe that brings her back to Paul. For Safety reasons, due to her being attacked and Baby killed.
The ending of the movie is powerful, “Lead them to paradise” will easily go down as one of the most powerful moments in Deni’s Dune Trilogy. I also like that they portrayed Paul as being very afraid of his own power, because he genuinely cares about the Fremen around him and does not want harm to come to them. One last thing I loved was they gave Paul and Jarvis more time together, learning from other potential realities where Jamis played Stilgar’s role as a mentor.
Jamis?
@@Fyre0 “I was a friend of Jamis”
@@Maya_RuinzIn your original comment you wrote "Jarvis", like the Iron man AI haha. I think that's what the other person was commenting about
@@canIeaturcarrots That’s what I was thinking as well lol yea I didn’t catch that typo.
Best change imo is the difference in opinion between the fremen rather than all of them just believing Paul is the one. Truly reflects the theme of the novels of never falling for blind loyalty along with always questioning your leaders
Agreed, especially Chani. I think Denis made her character way more nuanced and interesting
@@orbituaryI was a little put off at first to the changes to CHani, just because I am resistant to changes in adaptions, but I do really think it improved her character in this movie and will continue to improve it in Messiah
@@boccci any time a creator can add more moral complexity to a story, I'm generally all for it. I think it makes it feel closer to our reality, as that's how I view much of our world; not in black and white, but in shades of grey
@@orbituaryhonestly all she did was a frumpy face for 2/3 of her screentime. I was very confused at that choice, the movie already seemed too short and so much time was wasted on her frumpy face
Chani in this movie is literally a mouthpiece for Frank Herbert's entire message, and people still aren't getting it. It's insane.
No, Paul was already doing that well enough with his self awareness and anxiety he expresses toward his visions and then there's Stilgar's growing zealotry and fanaticism. Og Chani would know well that Paul's marriage to Irulan means nothing but a means to an end. Why bother with having Zendaya shouting 'muh slavery' to the audience? I hated every scene with fake Chani
@@wangusbeef86 I’ve never read the books but I’m not sure what people’s gripe with her is. I mean just because you know it’s just a means to an end doesn’t make what he’s doing less hurtful? Paul is essentially sending her people off to war and she’s supposed to be happy about it because there’s nothing she can do anyway? Like I don’t get it. If you agree that Paul’s inner feelings about what he’s doing indicates that not even he likes his actions why is it bad that Chandi is upset by what Paul’s doing? It makes no sense.
@@darrickfranklin7096 In the books she's literally a super supportive Arwen style side character love interest. She's just sort of there. She was turned into an actual character in this film. not like the book version at all.
@@darrickfranklin7096 It may or may not be hurtful but keep in mind that Chani belongs to a culture that is very different from modern day, Fremen have been mentally conditioned to think differently about life and social relations due to their extreme environment, that's why its kinda taboo for them to cry for their dead. And for Chani she's aware enough of the conventions of their feudal system to know what a political only marriage entails, even in the ending of the book even Jessica comments about their similarity with her being Leto's true wife despite being labeled a concubine for outside appearances. So don't let the other guy in the comments diminish what Chani actually was in the books - she has way more depth than meets the eye, that should tell how much that other guy actually paid attention to the source material.
I didn't like Chani in this, too much whining for a Fremen, and as someone else pointed out she would understand the need for it all, infact in the second book Chani tries to get Paul to impregnate Irulan just to keep her happy.
The nukes into the sandworms coming out of the smoke into the showdown at the Emperors ship is the best action sequence I've ever seen. The film suffers a bit from pacing an abrupt transitions over first hour, but last hour is excellent. 9/10
Minus the spoonfed Chani fight focus and the mask lifting face reveal. It felt way too Marvely
I’d say it’s the other way around. Great pacing to start, then final third Paul goes from being untrusted by Fremen to Messiah in minutes, little exposition given to him drinking the water of life and there wasn’t much motivation given for the holy war.
The entire movie is like that. This film suffers from almost being amazing but never quite getting there
@@TurboMintyFreshwhaaaat
The middle 6 hours are pretty solid too
My biggest criticism of Dune is that I wish the movie was longer, which is less of a criticism and more of an indication just how much I loved the movie.
It really needed another hour. I needed thirty more minutes between Paul and Chani, and Paul becoming the Lisan al-Ghaib
Would have loved a longer battle scene at the end. I know the Fremen are superior to the Sardukar in every way, but at least make the Gurney-Rabban fight epic if you are gonna include it
The more time I've had to reflect the more I agree. I'm still happy with the movie overall but the last third of the movie could have used more time to breathe. I hope we get an extended cut eventually, though that seems unlikely.
You want the Sci-fi Channel Mini Series my friend
@@briankamstra2454they wasted about 15 collective friggin minutes on Zendaya doing a frowny face throughout the entire movie. No battles for you, only grumpy face Zendaya
For me the Raban death scene was about him fleeing. He projects the air of a fearless ruthless but really he turns tail in the film a lot. I think the quick non-battle with Gurney just made his arc even richer and more dynamic, he’s sort of tragic in that way.
Right. Raban is a coward. He's fleeing and Gurney catches him. Would I personally like see a longer, fight ,yeah totally, but time in a movie format....that's why these stories really need to be told episodically, Game of Thrones style. 😁
I’m thinking if you’re going to run, then run. I you wanted to make a brave stand, you would have done it in the Emperor’s throne room.
Best Raban. They made him a character
@@RoccofanI dunno. I’ll have to see it again, but in the emperor’s throne room they were significantly outnumbered. At the getaway ‘thopter on that platform, wasn’t it Gurney vs. Rabban and a handful of Harkonnen lackeys backing him up?
@@rutherfordappraisal258 All he had to do was walk onto the craft and live to fight another day. Also, I loved the way the mighty Saudaukar just folded like napkins when all 110lbs of Zendaya showed up to shred them two at a time. Lol
When the Bene Gesserit go from color (indoors) to infrared (outdoor light) and there Abas go from black to white I was stunned.
Omg same. My jaw actually dropped
Ya all those scenes were sooooo striking. Not just regular black and white it was this milky white that looked insane. The sand worm scene too was fucking nuts. I’m so glad I got to see it in theatres bc the sound design on that scene with the music and everything really had me feeling like I was actually riding a sand worm.
@@mechadonia my favorite part about that scene was that the movie found a reason within the story itself to make the shot black and white. While Oppenheimer did black and white for dramatic effect well, having an internal justification to use it just made it so much cooler and allowed to play with the colors transitioning into black and white (not sure if the infrared? sun is in the book also but probably I guess?) either way, such a cool concept
It's not just black and white - it's infrared shifted to black and white.
I am glad that Gurney terminated the bully coward Rabban quickly and unceremoniously, like the Baron: taken out like trash. Neither of these pigs needed to go out like bosses-with any dignity or glory…
The “SILENCE” moment sent goosebumps and chills over my whole body! They definitely delivered amazing performances.
Abomination
absolutely, I wish I didn't get it spoiled with the trailer honestly. I should have gone to the cinema without watching any trailer really... but you know, the hype
@@matteomariani5160 damn that was in the trailer? Wow. I've made a habit out of avoiding any and all spoilers for these types of movies for that exact reason.. Going in completely blind just hits different
The best example of how good this film is, is the scene where Paul describes the future after drinking the Worm liquid. A lesser director would have shown visions, but instead we stay on his hand, perfectly describing it. 10/10
You mean you shouldn't show a prescient main character's vital visions as or after he's experiencing them in a visual medium?!
You're kidding right? Villeneuve had all the money he needed to do this book justice and he took the most streamlined, bare bones approach possible.
@@humbleopulencein my opinion that's the best way possible to do it. We don't NEED to see what the characters see, but we need to FEEL what they feel, which I think was done perfectly in both part 1 and 2. Besides, it would be impossible to show the scope of what he saw in his visions, so why bother?
@@humbleopulence Isn't "tell, don't show" one of the underlying principles of film making? :-)
@@str.77 yup, right alongside "always work with children and animals in the industry, nothing'll go wrong!"
@humbleopulence yes I agree that the approach you mentioned would be better for an audience needing everything spoon fed to them.
Quinn: the Emperor was underused!
The Guild: what about us?
The guild: "Yall getting used??"
Thufir Hhawat: Does this mean I didn't die?
We might see more of them in Dune Messiah
@@Megaspartan23 Too late. They were crucial at this instance.
I think a lot of stuff missing from part 2 is being saved for messiah-the guild, the ecological transformation, Alia, a deeper look at prescience, the creation of spice, maybe even Chani's parents? It just seems like Denis has separated out concepts to fit neatly into each of the three movies
I liked that Chani tries to prevent Paul from succumbing to the mythology that is building up around him.
But Paul never told her about what he could "see" now. Would she have believed him?
@@benjalucian1515he did! He told her he saw that if he went south, he would lose her and cause the death of billions
@@ROVA00 No, I mean did he tell her that due to his taking the Water of Life he can now see the future and the past? Making general statements apparently wasn't convincing to her. Did she think he was lying? She knows he has nightmares of the war. Did she think the nightmares were just nightmares?
@@benjalucian1515 true , good point
In the book, she is fully onboard with Paul being he messiah, and loves lady jessica. She wanted to fight for him. She even had her own future vision while indulging in the Spice 'party' after Jessica became Reverend Mother. This adaptation reduced her to a 'skeptic', instead of the daughter of a person who spent their life trying to change Arrakis, and her's loving and believing in Paul. Hell, she even pushed Paul into marrying Irulan.
Thufir Hawat scenes were shot, but unfortunately excluded from the theatrical cut. Stephen McKinley Henderson still gets a Special Thanks credit at the end of the cast. Let’s hope for a director’s cut!
Denis swore not to release the director's cut
@@d1want34then at least some deleted scenes on dvd (if they even still release movies on dvd)
@@GoErikTheRedunfortunately he swore those will never be released as well.
But why? @@JCDenton3
@@uvuvwevwevweossaswithglasses Villenueve has said many times once he finishes a film it is set in stone. And piece of it he cuts out hurts him so much he destroys them completely and swears them. It is pretty weird behavior honestly, he's the only director I know like that, but it is how he is with all of his movies. So no Dune deleted scenes or extended edition will ever come out.
When he walked in to the freman council meeting after he woke from drinking the water and challenged everyone there then proved them into kneeling I got so many chills. That performance from Timothy was amazing.
I loved how Jessica says you're going to fast at the start of that scene, but Paul's like "Fuck it, we're doing it live!" and he kills it. Loved the sense of scale that scene gave of the seemingly endless crowd in the shadows but Paul's able to commend the whole mob, likely with some Voice use. Even when Chani is trying to stand up and protest, Gurney is like sit down my man is COOKING!
@@jameslk68 So satisfying! Easily the most compelling scene! He proved everyone wrong and right at the same time!
It was a slow and insidious descent into fanaticism. A well-placed warning of following charismatic leaders. When Paul takes up the mantle and convinces a whole people... chills. I was so scared, right there with Chani. So many incredible moments. What a masterpiece. Villeneuve has made history with these entries. Looking forward to part 3
Chani's "character" or whats left of it was probably the worst thing about the entire second part. Massive screen time sink only to butcher her character, change the ending and the rest of the following story will suffer from this.
It was an incredibly hamfisted and jolting journey into what should have just been the book's plot. "A well-placed warning of following charismatic leaders" no, that comes later and better. I refuse to believe you are a human being.
@@blank4227damn. That's silly. "You think differently, you can't be human"
@@aussieseal9979 Thanks for your comment champ! **pats your head and tickles your chin** Who's a good boy?
In the book, Paul confronting the Baron was one of the possible futures Paul saw after having spice for the first time.
the fact that there are believers and non believers among the fremen fleshes out their culture but is also a way to remind the audience that Paul should not be followed. I think Herbert was disapointed by the readers who would call Paul the hero of the story, when he is actually dangerous. Villeneuve made sure this was very clear, especially with the reaction of Chani at the end of the movie : "don't follow Paul, be like Chani, stay away from him".
The movie repeatedly using the word "fundamtalist" totally destroyed any immersion.
The Fremen are clearly based on Islamic Arab culture. It’s a very cohesive culture there aren’t huge sects of non believers. It’s a very western way to view non western culture and I hate that. It makes it inauthentic
There are however huge religious issues between different sects of Islam@@danieldezi3916
@@danieldezi3916Muslims or Arab Muslims are not nearly as cohesive as you think.
There are many different factions or sects among the Muslims.
@@danieldezi3916 well there were a couple thousand northern unbelievers, and like a million fundamentalists, so it still jives with reality, a very small percentage. if anything, they would argue about who the savior is, paul or not. that said, the books basically lead to the conclusion that pauls vision was flawed, being based off of predestination rather than the free will his ancestors attempt to create.
They really captured how different Paul was before and after the agony transformation. The whole movie hes very pensive and conflicted, trying to figure out how to balance these glimpses of what could and will happen, but after the Agony you can see how different he is. Hes completely sure of himself and what he has to do, he has this terrifying air of menacing intellect and power with all the knowledge he now has access too, that scene where he approaches the sietch with the sandworm behind him was absolutely amazing, I wanted to jump out of my seat and yell. I'm glazing this movie like crazy idc
I wonder why we didnt see his visions as much as we did from the 1st movie. Do you think he had no visions after the Agony or he did have visions but they didnt affect him ?
@@PizzaPartify I wondered that too, I think Denis wanted to leave it a bit more ambiguous so people who haven't read the book wouldnt know what's coming in messiah. Non readers likley have this vision of "hes the hero" not realizing what's to come. His visions were also much clearer after the agony, rather than glimpses of paths he now sees clear paths/possibilities and knows exactly what to do
@@oroboros88 I hated that I KNEW what he saw, I HEARD what he said about what he saw but we didn't SEE what HE saw ! The "A war in my name!" scene from the 1st movie is the best scene from the 1st film imho. I wanted more of this in the second movie
Rebecca Ferguson is incredible in this. She made Jessica my favourite character of the two movies. Fortunately we're sure to get a guild navigator in Messiah.
Yes, we need the Guild Navigator!
She is awesome and would love for her to have her own action movie series.
She was hot, then she turned all exorcist on us
I don't think so. Villenueve has said multiple times the other schools of the Imperium including the Guild are not going to be as important in these films because the focus is going to be on the bene gesserit. Disappointing for sure, but if you could only pick one I guess he picked the most important one to showcase for Paul's story.
I love her. She’s my favorite part of the movies.
Stilgar just being John Cleese from Life of Brian: "You are the Messiah I ought to know, I've followed a few!"
I am a little sad that Count Fenring isn't in it at all; I thought his relationship with Lady Fenring was interesting and also the encounter between him and Paul and when Paul realizes that Count Fenring was a failed Kwisatz Haderach was an excellent scene.
Agree - that was a great moment when he makes eye contact w/ Paul
They have Lady Fenring but not The Count?
Villeneuve sort of mixed Count Fenring with Feyd Rautha- he is like Bene Gesserit's failed atempt to create the Kwasatz Haderach.
That whole dinner scene would have been cool, the water on the floor, but the time line from the books is all tipsy turkey. I liked the changes they made and you could see all the small details for people thinking about how the next few books turn out.
I don't think the count was essential to the story's themes and messaging so it's fine he was omitted. And the book still exists so nothing is taken away from those who read the book. Adaptations don't need to be one to one. It's the themes and ideas that matter the most. I think the movies capture the essence of the book.
Paul giving the Baron's body to the desert was a call back to Part 1 when the Baron attempted to give Paul and Jessica's body to the desert.
Duh
There's a fremen custom where they don't take the water from an 'abomination'. Instead, the water is given to the desert to be lost. I took the Baron's disposal in line with this fremen tradition to make a point he was deserving of the worst burial possible.
Damn it's almost like you watched the movie
Stab in the neck and killing him "like an animal" was the same death Paul faced with the bene gezerit in part one.
you just know feyd totally came all over the place when he put his hand in that box
I wonder if Feyd's test was to keep his hand out of the box.
Not until you mentioned it
@@kennethferland5579"ok, you passed the test, now, get the hand out of the box... get your hand out the box... GET YOUR DAMN HAND OUT OF THE DAMN BOX *PULLS WITH ALL OF HER STRENGTH"
Definitely. It's happened to me too.
@@teddunay6227😂😂
Huh. Just realized the duality here with Paul and his mother regarding the "water of life." When Jessica took it, she gained clear insights into the past; memories of previous Reverend Mothers. Yet when Paul did, he gained clear insights into the *future.* Interesting contrast.
That's sort of the entire point of the Kwisatz Haderach.
While I was really looking forward to seeing young Alia in in this version of Dune during the early days, I was shocked how effective (and smart) switching to the eerie and almost alien fetus that Jessica conversed with. It really took their relationship to a while new level and also elevated Alias ethereal presence as a character
You could have had both that concept and also have allowed for Alia as a disturbingly mature toddler for the final scene. All that was required was to suggest a longer time frame allowing for her birth etc. Not a difficult thing to write into the script.
IMO it was a very big mistake to drop Alia's confrontation with her grandfather and her gom jabbar scene.
I guess this is the director's approach: if a character plays a major role in one part of the story, leave that character out of the other parts. Hence no Emperor in 1 but big in 2, no Alia in 2 but big in 3.
Still, his ignoring of the Guild is unforgivable.
@@str.77 Wouldn't the Guild fall under the same principle? With spice requirement for space travel being a common knowledge in the movie there is not much point to show the confrontation with the guild here. He's saving the Guild for Messiah movie.
@@mrTannu666That's what I was thinking. We're kinda done with the Harkonnens, Atreides and Fremen. Now he can show the Guild, Alia, the Tleilaxu, Face Dancers and such.
@@rjlchristie That scene was great in the book, but we don't *need* Alia to know that the Baron is an animal who dies like an animal. I'm more distressed about the son we didn't get, but even that was one spinning plate too many.
that scene of lady jessica talking with alia and the shot spanning to her eerie face and how she said that "she must start with the weak" literally gave me chills
Feyd-Rautha’s birthday battle and celebration must be one of the best sci-fi scenes ever put to film. Austin Butler portrays him perfectly with his pure psychotic self-interest. Thank you for this summary, Quinn, as always your passion shines strongly.
Problem is that he is kind of stupid (sse the scene with fenring).
The tone of everything was perfect. My favorite scene in P1 was in the tent because that human-alien feel is everything, and that was replicated in the scene with the assembly. When he starts talking about their prayers, making them afraid, saying that they love that fear, and saying he is the fearful answer, it's shiver-inducing superb.
I kinda like that the emperor is just deposed like that. When most empires end, or change dynasties (China, Rome, Byzantium, etc.) the last emperor is just a shell, not an impressive Augustus or Aurelius. The true decadence is in the fact that the supposed great emperor of the universe is some crusty old guy.
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When the Bene Geserit take awaken their past memories, it is of ALL their ancestors to the beginning of humanity, not just other Bene Geserits.
Larry Niven wrote a scifi novel, in which the main human character is a specialized telepath -- with animals. The first scenes are him and a dolphin changing bodies. When the man switches back, it takes him a moment to remember he's NOT a dolphin, he's a human. (Same for the dolphin.)
Later the human confronts an inimical alien, and this is key. The alien has done this all his life, and when he's in "our heroe's" body he doesn't have to adjust, he knows it's still himself. "Our hero" is trapped in the alien body which is in a time freeze.
This is a bases for what happened to Alia. She becomes self-aware in the womb but has no life memories to confirm her selfhood, so it's easy for the strongest memory in her to take over.
@@veramae4098 Alia's story is basically a horror story.
@@veramae4098This is why the BG doesn't allow the spice transformation for anything less than their highest ranks, they need all that training prior just to survive the process
@@CosmicPhilosopherwhat happens with Alia?
@@kyopavon836 She struggles to control the personalities of all her ancestors in her head. She becomes a four-year-old murder machine. Growing up, she has trouble dealing with her puberty/sexual awakening. She has a strange relationship with her grandfather's personality (Baron Harkonnen) and ends up being quite the tyrant when Paul walks away from his position as Emperor.
Bardem was fucking brilliant. I found his character quite disturbing towards the end because of the chaotic, fanatic energy he brought to the character that slowly built throughout the movie. The last few scenes of the movie were like a pot boiling over with foreboding chaos and madness growing into a fever pitch. Timothee also gave a performance of a lifetime. That innate change in his character after he drank the blue worm jizz from a more mild and reluctant Duke's son to a straight-up clairvoyant warlord was done perfectly. I don't think the people who are comparing this to the Lord of the Rings trilogy are getting a little carried away, but these movies will definitely go down in history as one of the best movie depictions of written science fiction of all time.
Bardem's performance was the best in the movie in my opinion. Chalamet close second, although I'm talking about two actors that had a lot of screen time to shine, so it's not a fair competition really.
I also agree with what you say about the comparison with Lord of the Rings. I think that this is the Lord of the Rings of sci-fi. Just as LOTR, it diverges from the book counterpart (not as much as LOTR), but without loosing its soul and while delivering a cinematic masterpiece.
LOTR trilogy is peak Hollywood cinema. That’s when it all came together for western movies. It sits atop the pile, but being second highest rung isn’t bad.
I genuinely think they’re comparable because of what they did. Director who loved the books and made adaptations that remained as faithful to the authors intent as possible. Any changes made in either, always respected the author. That’s what makes them comparable.
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 I don’t really have a big problem with the two being compared cuz Dunes been great so far. I just wonder if the comparison comes from the fact that the Dune series is coming out in an ocean of shit movies, and everyone’s super desperate for a single good movie, let alone a trilogy. Finding a diamond in a pile of shit would make that diamond look like the shiniest thing in the world, but if you take that same diamond and put it in a box with other diamonds, you may realize it’s not as special you thought. It’s still a diamond, but is it even close to the biggest, shiniest diamond in the box (LOTR)? Sorry for the convoluted metaphor, but I think you get the point.
I loved both movies, but the fact is that portraying the Dune books in a movie adaptation is way more challenging than adapting LOTR, which was an undertaking in its own right. As I said, both adaptations are amazing, but I do have a few nit-picky issues with the Dune series whereas with the LOTR trilogy I do not.
@@-SayWhatAgainMF- you’re on the money. The real comparison is that they both had directors who genuinely loved the book. They both loved it so much that they poured their hearts into their adaptations. That’s the true comparison. That’s true comparisons. Anyone telling you anything different Is mislead.
It's not worm jizz, it's worm piss.
Dennis went with the timeline where Paul says "Hello Grandfather" (Dune, page 244)
"He had seen two main branchings along the way ahead--in one he confronted an evil old Baron and said: 'Hello, Grandfather.' The thought of that path and what lay along it sickened him.
The other path held long patches of gray obscurity except for peaks of violence. He had seen a warrior religion there, a fire spreading across the universe..."
Okay while I don't think Denis will make any fundamental changes it's still so cool to see him twist things like this.
Giving book readers the full presience experience, just like Paul before taking the Water of Life.
That was a nice detail. He Subverted that line in the Book. Because that Path in the book would have seen Paul joining the Harkonens.
This is making my brain itch I need to open up my copy
Having the North Fremen be less superstitious and have slightly different beliefs work great for the movie, also having Chani be from the north just adds to it. 👍
It makes sense, since the North is essentially Colonized. So they are more "Progressive" while the Southerners are more detached from the rest of the Universe.
Last night at the theater during the movie, the audience was absolutely silent and still during scenes without music, like the final duel scene. It was eery. And we heard collective gasps getting more and more intense towards the end everytime Jessica and Paul pushed towards the Jihad. I never had an experience like this at a theater. It's as if the whole audience was one massive organism, in perfect synchronicity.
Best movie ever.
Must have been nice, the guy next to me kept eating popcorn with his mouth open and large, crunchy pieces of candy so all I could hear was him eating the entire time lol
My favourite part is when Stilgar tells the Baron to "call it" after he flips a coin.
There's obviously some great actors in this movie, but the actor that truly amazes me is Florence Pugh. She has this uncanny ability to morph into a role that very few actors have the ability to achieve. I'm talking Daniel Day Lewis good. Every very movie in which I have watched her perform, I'm astonished by her talent. I hope she has a larger role in the next film.
I was in tears at the end of this film. Sure there were changes, but they STILL MAKE SENSE. That final scene, after Gurney tells the room the great houses have denied to accept his ascension to the throne, Stilgar asks what's next, Paul simply says "take them to paradise", and Stilgar's FANATICAL response was the most powerful moment of cinema I've ever witnessed, the cherry on top being Lady Jessica's response to the Alia fetus: "your brother wages war against the great houses". Oof. Pure bliss. It took me through the entirety of the credits and the lights coming back on in the IMAX theater to compose myself enough to walk away.
I was talking so much with my movie mate in absolute awe after it finished we we’re eventually asked to leave by staff. I want to go and see it again in imax because the way the sound was designed was not only a work of art in itself but also a sensory experience connecting you to the story, a master class in modern day cinema. 👌
They completely ruin the set-up for the next book, Chani loves Paul. The ending was changed because all the lines about concubines made suits uncomfortable.
@@blank4227er that is a very incel take. The fact that Jessica was predatory in the way she turned the Fremen into the faithful and the future need for Paul to beg Chani to help him remain human is the reasons. Not some weak sauce boardroom discuss that discussion of concubines is off the woke menu. Understand the material rather than invent conspiracies.
@@joythought I'm not reading all that yap
@@joythoughtplease take a writing class or get an editor lol
Coming out of the cinema at the end Dune 2 was like when I came out of the cinema after watching the matrix. Absolutely blown away.
I was so disappointed to not see a single space guild navigator, but then I remembered that the navigators were only mentioned in the first book and didn't actually appear until Dune Messiah. So that kind of gives me hope that there will be more Dune movies in the future.
Oh and Feyd was METAL as fuck 🤘🤘
i think is too late, they should have some signs of them or at least being recognized, this second movie cemented the style they wanted to portray for the rest of the franchise and i dont imagine this franchise portraying a deformed human swimming on drugs.
@@ChuyR. perhaps you're right, but it would still be cool to see what Denis Villeneuve's rendition of a navigator would look like
What the fuck do you mean only mentioned? In the last chapter when Paul was threatening to destroy the spice, two guild navigators used their lesser *prescience* which can only be had with extremely long spice exposure and dependency to conclude that Paul was speaking the truth and they yielded.
They only appear briefly in the first film. If there is a third film based on Messiah we will definitely see them
@@faustsiftar7683 that's what I was afraid tbh, those characters being the navigators, if i remember correctly they are not named navigators in the script so they kind of are but are not you know, is deliberately undecided.
I just watched the movie today, and as a long time fan and avid reader, that was spectacular. I was completely floored that the changes denis made were not only intelligent and well thought out, but managed to make this film exceed my expectations. 11/10
It is absolutely explicitly stated in Dune that Lady Fenring conceived and perhaps even gave birth to a daughter by Feyd Rautha, nothing "implied" about it:
The thoughts of Reverend Mother Mohiam during the fight between Feyd and Paul -
"Two end products of this long and costly program faced each other in a fight to the death that might easily claim both of them. If both died here that would leave only Feyd-Rautha's bastard daughter, still a baby, an unknown, an unmeasured factor, and Alia, an abomination."
Is there ever something said about that daughter in the following books?
@@WatcherD24 no, which was a great disappointment to me....
@@Kellerwerks I see, thanks for the info
@@WatcherD24 I think she may have been dealt with in some of the post-FH novels, but I only read the ones that finished the story, and she's not in those...
@@KellerwerksOne of those books was set between the original and Messiah and it had her. She was used in an assassination attempt against Paul but ended up getting killed by Alia.
That whole plot line always confused me though. Like Frank made it seem like a set up for something but it never really went anywhere. Maybe he meant it to but then changed his mind.
There was an element of body horror in the Water of Life scene (the fetus opening her eyes and the pupils dilating/becoming aware in sync with the epic soundtrack) that really got me. It was really well done… I hope the director doesn’t let Jessica “off the hook” for what she did to Alia.
To play Devil's Advocate. Jessica didn't really have much of a choice. It was either that or death, which would have also screwed Alia.
@@maxi1ificationshe did have a choice. She could have used The Voice to manipulate Stilgar into sex and could have claimed Stilgar the father of Alia. Problem solved.
"A work of art" ~ Quinn. Indeed.
I remember the BG saying Feyd's main "controllers" were "desire and humiliation," rather than "power and humiliation" as you mentioned. A slight difference, but a significant one in weighing the nuances of the characters. A main theme I see in the Dune saga is the boomerang affect of manipulation.
Very true.
If you read the series backwards you can see that the inciting incident for the disaster which began on Arrakis was BG hubris about their ability to influence human evolution.
@@alanpennie8013 This also shows how quite probably, the BG were betting on the wrong horses. Controllable men were usually the WEAKEST of men. They were afraid of the Atriedes men. Men that were passionate enough that even Gaius Helen Mohaim's best student could not deny when he asked for a son instead of a daughter. What affect did the BG's manipulations have on humanity for 90 generations because of this desire for control? I would suggest it stunted humanity's development and Leto II had to spend 3000 years unravelling this.
I haven't read the book so this might not be that accurate, but it felt like when Jessica and Paul drank the water it was like when Bran became the 3 eyed raven - they "die" and are forever changed. In that sense the Baron won as no Atreides survived in the desert.
Yeah the movie kind of played it up like that. Same idea as Neo at the end of the Matrix. It's not really how the books go down tho.
Ouch, yes that's a good observation. In a sense the atreides become tainted by spice going forward
The scene when Paul denies he’s the lisan Al-galib and that just further convinces Stilgar that he is reminds me of The Life of Brian when Brian is being swarmed by his devout followers and that similar scene happens 😆 “what kind of chance does THAT give me?”
I honestly wondered whether that was a straight up reference. Worked on a story level but was also very funny 😂
"He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
To Chani I'd imagine Paul saying I'll love you as long I breath shows Paul isn't really fully fremen to her, he doesn't fully understand because a fremen would believe their body's waters would mingle together forever. She may not believe that anything remains other than literal water, but the idea that all of the fremen dead's water is in one place together represents hope and sentimentally that Paul just doesn't get. He never becomes fully fremen and that is heartbreaking to her because she knows that means he's not fighting for them, he's using them
I wonder if she ever understood that his terrible fate, which he dreaded, was also necessary to save her Fremen people.
Also, I’m pretty sure he said that to her earlier, near the middle of the movie. So him saying it again just seems kind of like an empty gesture. Even the way he said it just lacked any real emotion. I mean I’m sure he really cares about her, but it’s easy to see how she might take it the wrong way
The spacing guild was the strongest pillar of the political tripod main reason why the great houses couldn't unify their forces against Paul since the navigators wouldn't transport troops or anything for them from the fear of the death of the worms leading to no spice production was able to take them out one by one the freman where bad ass but couldn't fight all the great houses at once just the same as the sardikar which is why a balance existed between the Great houses and the emperor
This will be addressed in Messiah surely.
@@BronzeYohngod I hope so. I don’t need MORE BG stuff, I just got ~3hrs of it basically nonstop lol. If they COMPLETELY leave out the importance of the spice to the navigators, these films will have lost the plot.
Hopefully the great houses rejecting Paul at the end of Part 2 was a very carefully worded ending, because the spacing guild should step in at the open of the next film to prevent the other houses from landing.
@@ForestCinemaYou misunderstood, as did I at first. They rejected Paul being KING, they didn't reject his ultimatum. "Fine we won't land but you aint no king".
@@sharp7j good point, but hard to say it was misunderstood if it was actually just completely unaddressed. Any conclusion we draw has to be an assumption.
@@BronzeYohnI don’t think it will. If there is a third movie they aren’t going to bring them in that late. All of human civilization is built around the Guild. In two movies they are not even mentioned. You don’t remove that from your adaptation by accident. It’s a deliberate choice.
Adding them in for Messiah makes little sense at that point as it would undermine the first two films in his adaptation - everyone would be like “wait, who the hell is the guild and why are they not mentioned until now?”
Idk why other videos about this movie appeared higher in the search result than yours. Yours is the one i was looking for and it delivers as always!!
I remember that the baron, in the first movie, said “the emperor is a jealous man”. If the emperor was convinced in destroying the Atreides, it was probably through the bene gesserit implanting these ideas on his head: jealousy, control they all seem plausible at the same time, of course, that would be the way I see it.
I loved the striking images of Dune we get in the first act of the film. The direction showing us Chani's words "My planet Arrakis is so beautiful when the Sun is low". I'd kill for a longer cut with even more long shots of the setting
I am a little less focused on the details. I've read the books, but still a film is a different type of medium. What Denis and Hans delivered is a film that carries that spirit, weirdness and the many conflicting parties and warnings about messiah figures well into this medium with its restrictions. Besides that I also think the movie is an audiovisual spectacle. Some scenes like the fireworks hallway scene on geidi prime are very inspired.
After watching the 2nd movie I started re-listening to the books again and got to the part where Paul is having the waking dream in the tent with Jessica and one of the possible futures that he experiences has him standing over the Baron and saying "Hello grandfather".
What an awesome nod to the book to have the movie basically show one of these possible paths!
I've never quite appreciated the expression "jaw dropping" before since I've never really had that reaction to something myself, even if I thought it was awesome. But the worms at the ending fuckin got me, it was a total unconscious reaction.
And while that was the only moment that got a jaw drop out out of me, the entire thing was packed with excelent craftsmanship from top to bottom. Absolute 10/10 for me, which I would give to part 1 as well, but this surpassed even that.
Can't believe nobody said The Spice Must Flow!
Walken didn’t even say it. “I gotta have more spice!”
The only note I have for the movie. We need a director’s cut/extended edition with that line!
@@TheSH1N1GAM1 Unfortunately, Denis Villeneuve doesn't do director’s cut/extended edition for his movies. What we saw is the final version
@@ginonline5 I hope with these he does that. Let WB throw him a few million to make extended cuts like the LOTR trilogy
Must flow the Spice will.
I was 7 when I first saw "Star Wars A New Hope" in 1977, and I still remember the feeling I had when I left the cinema.... I got that same feeling two days a go when I finished watching Dune (together with by boy), we are about to go and see it again tomorrow on IMAX and I can not wait!
After reading the 6 books, the first one few times, I was so happy to see a proper interpretation of this amazing book, in an amazing movie!
Absolutely. It definitely reminded me of the way I felt seeing Star Wars for the first time as a kid. The awe, the wonder… it’s a feeling that is hard to replicate and I was pretty emotional about it.
I have also bought imax tickets and can’t wait to see it again. Cheers!
You'll love it in IMAX!
Same for me, but it was seeing LOTR when released in cinema. I was 10, now 32, and it impressed me the same way.
@@disseminationnetwork I will most likely go and see it again for the third time
In Dune 1, Chani says to Paul the Crisknife she gives to Paul to battle Jamis was a gift from her great Aunt. I immediately assumed that to be Liet Kynes.
To me, this movie and its success represents that there is a want and desire out there for this style of movies, settings and the more esoteric storytelling. And that gives me hope that we may indeed get a Warhammer40k movie someday soon.
wouldnt that be just dune again? It was written initially as a satire of it, if they do make it, they need to wait a good couple of years, or its impossible to not see it as a carbon copy of dune as much as I'd love to see warhammer adapted.
Besides hyperion and the more obvious popular ones, if we go to the gaming realm I always thought Starcraft 1 (not 2, thats a shtshow story wise and lost the gritiness of the first in the art too) would make a great movie, imo warcraft was a mistake to adapt when they had such a perfect ip for live action.
@@robinv1485 It started as that, but its distinct enough to be its own thing. I mean we've had Marvel and DC cinematic universes going simultaneously.
@robinv1485 if you aren't up to date on 40K it's become it's own world completely
Well Henry Cavill is doing something with wh40k I think.
But yeah, this certainly brings my hopes up
I feel like Villeneuve walked a tightrope. He managed to adapt Dune in such a way that even though he made changes, he kept the core messages and feeling of the books. You have to change things typically when adapting from book to movie, particularly a long book like Dune. The choices all make sense but preserve a lot of the underlying messages of the book.
Given what we've seen with Apple's Foundation and Amazon's Rings of Power, and other adaptations of well-known works, this is a masterpiece in adaption, IMO.
@@wcg66 The difference between a show runner with a thoughtful appreciation and love for the source material and a Corp. who just sees a 'Popular IP' and is in it purely to try and milk $$ from fans.
This is a great review in that it acknowledges the choices made in the adaptation but still allows the adaptation to have it's own life and pros and cons. Incredible film. Incredible achievement for Denis. Loved it.
Was anyone else blown away by Paul's final line "Lead them to paradise"? I got choked up when he said it and couldn't even figure out why. I think that's a sign of truly elevated filmmaking--bringing out emotions that you can't even explain. Chalamet's delivery is so nuanced. There's so much triumph, tragedy, and pain in that line. Unbelievable film. How did you all interpret that line? Is he telling Stilgar to lead the rest of the Fremen to paradise (by waging war)? Or is he telling all his troops to lead the Great Houses to paradise (i.e. destroy them)? Does it matter? Lol