I'm afraid I can't agree. In the first few episodes of Series 4 she sounds forced, her voice is that of a much older person than Thatcher was at the time. Just to make sure, I listened to clips of real Thatcher of that era and to my ears, she sounded younger, with a higher pitch. Of course her voice changed over time so you can say Gillian Anderson got the older Thatcher right.
@@Grzegorz1006 Thatcher artificially lowers her voice, but generally the issue is she is rather just low that's all. When she's excited Thatcher's voice goes up screeching again, just ask any Scot when they turn off the radio.
@@Grzegorz1006 ofc,as no one is 100% same everyone is unique and different. So it's ok if she had some flaws but still we can agree that she did justice to the portrayal.
Thatcher visited my primary school when she was PM. The parents were not told and police guarded all gates stopping the parents from picking kids up. At that time we were quite often regional targets of the IRA so they were frantic. We came out so excited to have met and talked to the PM. Our parents not so much.
@@nelsonricardo3729 No I think she was there to steal our parents votes for a local election. The way it was handled she would of done better stealing our milk.
I just came here to say I’m only half way done the season but Gillian Anderson is such a good actor she deserves multiple awards for this. Unbelievable.
One thing I love about Gillian Anderson’s portrayal is that I actually forget it’s Gillian who’s playing the part. It’s tricky when you become such a huge Star to sometimes be able to fully escape into a role and she’s done a fantastic job of it.
The Order of Merit is not the only award in the personal gift of the Queen: there are also the Orders of the Garter and the Thistle (the highest civilian awards in England and Scotland respectively). The Queen appointed Mrs Thatcher a Lady of the Garter in 1995, so she in fact received every award the Queen could personally give her.
Almost Every PM Becomes a Knight of the Garter or is given a peerage as a routine. In the UK many senior positions come with automatic after retirement Honours like a pension.
Seems Thatcher had the last laugh. Her chosen candidate won, and Heseltine lost. Proving even in her final moments, she could still deliver, a knock out blow.
Just a pity Europhile Major betrayed her on Europe at Maastricht. Wasted billions trying to stay in the ERM. Appeased the IRA and laid the foundations for the hideous Blair years
Two things to note: 1) Howe was in support of the EEC, it wasn't called the EU back in 1990 and was entirely different 2) Hurd and Major did not put their names forward until after Thatcher withdrew
The community charge was unpopular, but it was not the reason why she resigned. Her entire cabinet was behind trying to make the community charge work, but they did not agree with her on Europe. In Geoffrey Howe’s resignation speech, he did not mention the community charge. It is also worth mentioning that Thatcher’s “No, no, no” was about Europe, not the community charge.
Well said. It should also be noted that the majority of questions that were asked of her in her final days were that of sovereignty of the pound sterling with its regard to the EEC, not the poll tax.
The main problem is Gillian Anderson is too good looking to impersonate Maggie T. But I have to say she definately gave her best. Her voice was spot on.
well usually that's how it is, it's hard to find ugly actors. most have a very symmetric face...thus beautiful. not only are they selected based on that at film schools, but many good actors come from acting families that have access for good training.
The date was chosen to avoid the birthday of Charles. Usually they drop shows on a Friday but that would be his BD and Netflix wanted to avoid that, given the material presented in this season
Gillian Anderson really became Margaret Thatcher on her role, The most brilliant part is. You almost come to think of it as if she really was Margaret Thatcher while watching The Crown.
The problem is she did some insanely massive damage to the working class. She destroyed their prospects and left most in squalor in the north. A lot of movies about her paint her in a kinder light and if you really read up on the demonisation of the working class, you'll be really shocked the lengths of her cruelty. They had the gall to protest her wanting to shut their only work in regions and she silenced them. It was awful. People literally celebrated her death... that's how awful she was. I'm sure she faced misogyny but she herself was deeply rooted in ultra conservatism and bigotry so I wouldn't be shocked if the sexism issue wasn't that big of a deal for her.
I was thinking this, eventhough I'm not a fan of her personally. A series about her politically, and the era, merits it's own miniseries. A lot more went in in that decade of leadership.
Geoffrey Howe and Dennis Thatcher, imo. I was kind of sad we didn't see more of the other politicians (no Neil Kinnock?) but there was a brief John Major showing near the end.
People need to understand the Crown is not a documentary series, ergo they don't want to do things EXACTLY the same. The director has said himself that he wants to put some creativity into it. If you want to see someone that looks exactly like Diana or Thatcher then go watch a documentary about them. They can't be carbon copies. All of them are doing an amazing job.
Braindeficient... We got Punk and V for Vendetta... You are a soft mangy cur who maybe wasn't even born when she ruled. Give credit to the artists, Dumbydork...
@@myoctobersymphony4446 and yet, after her downfall, the Conservative party hasn’t had the same amount of power if used to had before Thatcher became PM.
Are you an ass or just an idiot? The reference to “Iron” was due to being tough. I doubt that any of the real life CROWN cast know how to operate an iron, washer or TV
Bruce Robertson: Oh Brucie, c’mon admit it, you’re still tied to Mama’s apron strings and anything that reminds you of her makes you tear up. If you don’t know, shut the fuck up. Thatcher was tough, had the balls you don’t. THE IRON LADY was always a reference to her being tough and not afraid of being challenged. If her nickname had to do with domestic chores, she would have been THE IRONING LADY, something quite different.
Gillian's portrayal of her was actually very comical and exaggerated, from her posture, to her facial expressions and to her voice which sometimes sounded like a very old woman.
That's what got me. I thought it was more a caricature than an accurate representation of Thatcher. Having had to watch ole Maggie on the TV growing up, I felt like Anderson did try her best but she merely plucked some surface mannerisms and expounded upon them to the point where it felt like it was more a mockery of the original. Maybe that was intended. Who knows.
I loved this series... I just literally remember straight away all of the Mps from Spitting image, John Major Appearence on the last episode... Could be interesting to see him in the new season if there's another one ❤
When she openly admitted to her daughter that her brother was her favorite because he was "stronger" and kept kissing his behind after he came back from Algeria, was so disgusting that I had to come here to see how she ends.
You should also know that the Crown is not a documentary about royals and it's creators had zero knowledge about margaret thatcher relationship with her family, since it's her private life. They can easily demonize and embellish certain characters, whereas in real life they were a totally different person than portrayed. This show definitely wanted to make Thatcher as unlovable, as possible.
I actually felt sorry for Thatcher in the scenes at Balmoral. The whole family were so rude to her and Princess Margaret was probably the worst of them all. I don't believe this is actually how it happened at all, but the show did write her in a more flattering way in these scenes.
I abhor Thatcher's politics, but I found myself agreeing with her bad impression of the royal family as portrayed in The Crown. They do seem like frivolous, snobby, useless people whose strange idea of what work is, is really laughable.
The only thing thatcher was ever correct about was Europe. The last thing the vast majority of brits want is a politician as head of state. long live her gracious majesty Queen Elizabeth II.
I think Thatcher had good fiscal policies for Britain at the start but towards the end she lost touch & refused to adapt her economic policies to the changing pressures that UK was facing that was her failure.
In my opinion that's all you can really expect. There is a reason why term limits exist in many countries. New blood and different opinions is always important. No one leader is perfect. Sometimes you need a particular person just for a particular time.
"She became an authoritarian leader" according to her inner circle. After a decade in power ,she felt that no one could challenge her and no one could get in her way. The Poll tax that she was very like to impose came into heavy criticism and objection from her own cabinet and within the Conservative Party. Despite all of that, she is unyielding , she did not listened to the advise and opinion of those around her and wants to go ahead with that anti poor legislation . Finally, ambitious men in her party saw this opportunity and took it for granted. While she was in Paris, France a leadership challenge came in. Again, she's overly confident and did not rally her party members for support. Politics is about switching sides. You can expect them to be loyal at you but not all the time.
Margaret Thatcher was an extraordinary woman... the nickname "Iron Lady" fits her perfectly. Unfortunately, The Crown fell short to portray her 11 years in power, there was so much material that she could be on the show for 2 seasons, imagine Gillian Anderson playing some of her battles on the parliament, or some Falkland war scenes... I missed that on the show, it was too little and too fast... almost like the producers were in a hurry to finish. Well... at least Gillian Anderson was perfect as Thatcher, she did a GREAT job and I love The Crown.
She was extraordinary sure, but she held extreme political bias and was horrible at dealing with the Troubles in Ireland, eventually the Anglo-Irish Agreement was the worst thing she could possibly do, stamping her as one of the worst prime ministers to stain the uk's history.
@@sparkequinox same. I was surprised that they didn’t delve deeper into the Thatcher years- it felt very shallow considering how much social outrage and violence that generation experienced over her policies. I guess they wanted to focus more on Diana.
Thatcher was and is one of the very few women I respect. Apparently, she sacrificed personal time to do her homework, so she had conviction about her decisions.
I love how The comment section is made of 50% Emmy and Oscar Winning renowned professional actors who are giving very necessary comments on Gillian's acting 🤩
Gillian Anderson is absolutely spot-on as MT, I was 29 when the poll tax came in, I remember the riots across the country, it was devastating. When Major replaced Maggie his nickname was " son of handbag.." even in a recession the Brits can find something to laugh about.
Gillian's accent & pronunciation was on point but why was she made look so old? Margaret was a strong lady with a strong & firm posture but Gillian was shown to be struggling to stand up.
You may disagree with her policies but you can not deny, Thatcher earned her place in government and history. Another example that you can accomplish anything if you give it your all. One of the virtues that made the United Kingdom.
A rather misleading summary of the events that led to Margaret Thatcher leaving office. The poll tax was certainly unpopular, but it was the ever closer connection with the EU that was the key issue.
At the end of the day Margaret thatcher wasn’t always the best Prime Minister for the people of the United Kingdom but we can say that she changed the face and the culture and the class system of the United Kingdom for the better she strived and worked hard and she came along way from her father owning a grocery store and coming from a hard-working background may Margaret rest in peace
Whatever obstacles a person overcame to get to a position are irrelevant to how much damage they do once in that position. Plenty of leaders have come from small beginnings and been reviled leaders or hideous dictators. The reverse is also true, very few people care about the privilege a person comes from if they use that position to aid the impoverished, and disenfranchised.
Because she militarised the police and turned them against the people of the country. They would cover up their numbers, so there was no accountability. She set out to destroy the threads that held people together, because that was the only way she could beat them. She destroyed society, and made money a god.
Margaret Thatcher was amazing! While leftists hated her, she is still popular among most of the people who were alive during that time. She was the British version of Ronald Reagan. While liberals in America still spew hatred against President Reagan, he is still one of the most popular presidents in American history. He won in 1980 by winning 47 out of 50 states. He won reelection in 1984 by winning 49 out of 50 states (and he only lost his opponents home state of Minnesota by about 2,000 votes).
@@lyndawilliams8434 Thatcher came to office in early 1979 on a Tory Conservative sea change because Old Labour's previous PM, had allowed a precarious wages and incomes policy that the all-important allies, TUC, never liked but tolerated it for almost 4 years because of rampant inflation, unemployment levels, Britain's perceived second and third rate economic/military status among its European and US allies. Everyone remembers UK's "Swinging Sixties" for art, music, and consumerism, but tend to forget UK stock market almost crashed in mid-60s, pound got devalued, British industrial infrastructure, plants, mills, heavy industries got older and more antiquated compared to newer, more dynamic EU economies of France and West Germany. By the early-mid 1970s, the economic situation had worsened with widespread TUC strikes, labor militancy, the three-day work week, large piles of garbage and trash remained stinking of main city centres in many British cities and towns as garbagemen went on strike. Old Labour, increasingly found it harder and harder to control or negotiate with newer, younger, militant, less reasonable TUC members than the ones Atlee and Wilson had dealt with generation before. Then there was the 1978-79 "Winter of Discontent"--a series of widespread labor and industrial strikes in almost every or part of every major sector of British economy at a time when UK was experiencing its worst recession since the Great Depression of the 1930s. I'd compare the 1978-1979 "Winter of Discontent" and Old Labour inability to stop or manage it and its probably the worst single incident of labour unrest in modern British history since 1926 General Strike when Ramsey McDonald became Labour's first PM. "Winter of Discontent" left bitter memories and made deep, powerful scars on many individual British voters all across the political spectrum, even modern Labourites and Thatcher exploited that resentment and the perception of Labour as too idealogically rigid, old fashioned, and its affiliated organizations like Militant as dangerous far-left idealogues who would wreck the economy and nation again if elected again. Plus, the worldwide economic boom of the 1980s made her neo-liberal economic policies appear to be successful and Britain's military/defense standing had risen too, due to retaking the Falklands after Argentinian military junta tried to distract disaffected citizens from a police state surge called the "Dirty War" by assuming the role of anti-imperialists reconquering islands they'd long considered theirs since 1833 and had been (and still are) hotly disputed issue between Argentina and UK.
I think I would say that Sir Keith Joseph was more the architect of Thatcherism rather than Geoffrey Howe. I was a member of the Conservative Party then (not any more I hasten to add) and met Geoffrey Howe a few months after this speech. He spoke to us very positively about Margaret Thatcher.
I love Margaret Thatcher and thought she governed well by turning Britain away from socialism towards a more free market economy. However, I didn’t agree with the poll tax but, overall she was very good.
That was a massive issue because it disproportionately and negatively affected the poorer parts of society. Say for example, everyone gets taxed 25% of their income. To someone who earns a 100k a year, they would be left with 75k which is plenty of money to pay for bills, spend and still have enough to save for the future. On the other hand, someone who earns say around 15k a year (the average lower income bracket in the UK now), would result be left with 11.25k. When factoring in the raw costs of daily expenses, you'd find that that leftover amount is ludicrously low for living expenses in a year. This means that, the poor would not be able to save any money up for the future and would be reliant on the hourly wages of their (probably low-income) work in order to survive. In times of economic hardship (of which there were plenty of during Thatcher's premiership and even before and after her reign), many workers would be laid off so the ones who physically weren't able to save up for such harsh times would literally be left starving or on the streets. From that, you can see how harmful poll tax was on the most vulnerable sections of society. To contrast this poll tax system (a type of tax called regressive tax - a tax which places the burden on the poor), there are progressive taxes - taxes which places the burden on the richer citizens. With progressive taxes, the poorer sections of society will have to pay less taxes than their richer counterparts on the basis that a.) the raw taxes paid by the poor will be significantly less even if the percentages were the same and b.) less taxes for the poor will actually give them a chance to climb up the ladder (in terms of finances).
@@kng2159 umm, that’s not how the poll tax worked. That’s just a flat tax. The poll tax was a fixed amount, no matter your income. So say it was determined everyone household in your area had to pay $500. For some that might be a night out with friends. For others an entire month’s rent.
@@kng2159 wrong example. Income tax is progressive and even more so. First 12k are tax free, then most people get taxed at 20%, those that earn twice gets taxed....4 times, 40% on twice the amount (on the marginal). The poll tax was about fairness and self-reliance. The poll tax was only for the services that the Council provide to each individual. Poor people litter as much as the rich (I have very strong personal evidence of the opposite: those that are at home dossing all day, collecting benefits leave their cans of beer in the street), so they have to pay for that specific cost, the same. It's the same as the TV licence, like it or not
Agreed, the handover itself was in 1997 but the talk between Thatcher and Beijing on the issue was in 1982. Too bad they don’t cover her visit to China in this season.
You really need to have a word with your researchers: 1) The EU didn’t exist until 1993 when the Maastricht Treaty was ratified. 2) That wasn’t Thatcher’s final PMQs, she had one more on 27th November.
Notice she used the royal plural 'we'! The joke at the time when one-pound notes were swapped for coins instead was: What is big, round and wants to be a sovereign?
One of the three legendary Prime Ministers of the 20th century and we focus on a resignation. 11 and half years in office and we focus on a resignation. Inflation at an all time low and we focus on a resignation 😐. Unemployment at record lows and she focuses on a damn resignation 😑.
I realised just now😲😲😲 that Gillian Anderson totally nailed the voice of Margaret Thatcher.
I find she's got it 80%, she didn't caught it as well as Steve Nallon.
Better than Meryl Streep
I'm afraid I can't agree. In the first few episodes of Series 4 she sounds forced, her voice is that of a much older person than Thatcher was at the time. Just to make sure, I listened to clips of real Thatcher of that era and to my ears, she sounded younger, with a higher pitch. Of course her voice changed over time so you can say Gillian Anderson got the older Thatcher right.
@@Grzegorz1006 Thatcher artificially lowers her voice, but generally the issue is she is rather just low that's all. When she's excited Thatcher's voice goes up screeching again, just ask any Scot when they turn off the radio.
@@Grzegorz1006 ofc,as no one is 100% same everyone is unique and different. So it's ok if she had some flaws but still we can agree that she did justice to the portrayal.
Netflix, I really like these clips on your shows' historical content. Keep them coming!
Right?! Loving this behind the scenes/what was it really like videos!
Especially the host/anchor. Her voice is like silk pouring in your ears.
Her name is Anita Rani right?
Just make sure they don't cast black actors to represent white or other race
@@jiyefuuu they actually did that!?
Gillian Anderson better win the Emmy.
Totally agree! She disappeared into the role. I nearly cussed her out when she berated the Queen for being 'the Queen'.
... I must be the only one who thought she wasn’t very much like thatcher... great actress but.. it wasn’t that amazing
Meryl Streep better performed as Thatcher.
@@HerAeolianHarp I agree - it verged on a caricature
@sea change I agree - it verged on a caricature
Thatcher visited my primary school when she was PM. The parents were not told and police guarded all gates stopping the parents from picking kids up. At that time we were quite often regional targets of the IRA so they were frantic. We came out so excited to have met and talked to the PM. Our parents not so much.
@@nelsonricardo3729 No I think she was there to steal our parents votes for a local election. The way it was handled she would of done better stealing our milk.
She was great and you should have felt good meeting her. She never stole votes, remember she is not Labour
@@GA-wq8xq Conspiracy theory alert!
@@nelsonricardo3729 no, Labour loves postal votes and just read about the corruption and irregularities in Tower Hamlets
@@GA-wq8xq mhm I can thank her for the rise of Pinochet. Who killed my people but who cares about imperialism.
🥾 👅
Man, Anita Rani’s (the narrator) voice is like silk pouring in your ears.
Especially after listening to Margaret Thatchers voice 😄
Not high pitch nor sounded masculine but very clear & sweet in the ears. I can listen to her 365days a year without skipping a word.
Yes its good for a christmass story..not a political documentary 😀
Especially the "s" and "t"
I'd prefer Charles Dance voice. Just perfect
I just came here to say I’m only half way done the season but Gillian Anderson is such a good actor she deserves multiple awards for this. Unbelievable.
One thing I love about Gillian Anderson’s portrayal is that I actually forget it’s Gillian who’s playing the part. It’s tricky when you become such a huge Star to sometimes be able to fully escape into a role and she’s done a fantastic job of it.
Who knew that she could do this kind of thing after the XFiles(??)
But seriously Gillian Anderson nailed the role & voice of the Iron Lady 😳😳😳😳😳😳
And the walk too
Amén to that
She nailed it but she was way off on the voice imo
Emmy-worthy!
Disagree. Voice was off. She never smiled. Thatcheer seemed like a happy warrior.
The narator lady could be my history teacher and I would love to hear her tell story all day!
Gillian Anderson deserves ALL of the awards for her portrayal
All of it
How are you?
Only if you’ve never seen the Actual Margaret Thatcher. They are nothing alike.
@@ourcorrectopinions6824 Real Thatcher is better a lot
Absolutely!!! Godness!! I got confused when I heard Tatchers voice that I didn’t know anymore who were speaking
The Order of Merit is not the only award in the personal gift of the Queen: there are also the Orders of the Garter and the Thistle (the highest civilian awards in England and Scotland respectively). The Queen appointed Mrs Thatcher a Lady of the Garter in 1995, so she in fact received every award the Queen could personally give her.
Almost Every PM Becomes a Knight of the Garter or is given a peerage as a routine. In the UK many senior positions come with automatic after retirement Honours like a pension.
Seems Thatcher had the last laugh. Her chosen candidate won, and Heseltine lost. Proving even in her final moments, she could still deliver, a knock out blow.
Just a pity Europhile Major betrayed her on Europe at Maastricht. Wasted billions trying to stay in the ERM. Appeased the IRA and laid the foundations for the hideous Blair years
Or that the real power saw her as expendable. Just as useful as a pawn and just as easily disposable.
She was crying as she left Downing Street for the last time and then complained bitterly about betrayal. Pathetic.
Matt That's a bit of an arse of a statement. She was unceremoniously ousted......
@@StimParavane hardly pathetic, unlike your comment
Two things to note:
1) Howe was in support of the EEC, it wasn't called the EU back in 1990 and was entirely different
2) Hurd and Major did not put their names forward until after Thatcher withdrew
Who else has been watching all these supplementary content after finishing the new season?
Totally me
I just got done watching ep 48:1 and im already eating all this up 😄
I'm watching this for drama a level
Me
The community charge was unpopular, but it was not the reason why she resigned. Her entire cabinet was behind trying to make the community charge work, but they did not agree with her on Europe. In Geoffrey Howe’s resignation speech, he did not mention the community charge. It is also worth mentioning that Thatcher’s “No, no, no” was about Europe, not the community charge.
Well said. It should also be noted that the majority of questions that were asked of her in her final days were that of sovereignty of the pound sterling with its regard to the EEC, not the poll tax.
The main problem is Gillian Anderson is too good looking to impersonate Maggie T. But I have to say she definately gave her best. Her voice was spot on.
well usually that's how it is, it's hard to find ugly actors. most have a very symmetric face...thus beautiful. not only are they selected based on that at film schools, but many good actors come from acting families that have access for good training.
they are all far better looking than their counterparts
Most actors usually are, they're actors after all; and content makers usually want known stars to gain viewership.
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Today, November 15, 2020. Prince Harry is to the day the same age as Princess Diana when she died. No better day to drop the new season of the Crown
Yeah dude you said that on the other videos too
@@SchindlersFiist spreading the word.
Oh my.
And your point
The date was chosen to avoid the birthday of Charles. Usually they drop shows on a Friday but that would be his BD and Netflix wanted to avoid that, given the material presented in this season
Gillian Anderson is absolutely brilliant. Her portrayal of Margaret Thatcher will lead her to win highest awards 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Gillian Anderson really became Margaret Thatcher on her role, The most brilliant part is. You almost come to think of it as if she really was Margaret Thatcher while watching The Crown.
Uh no. Not convincing at all.
True
Thanks for explaining what acting is
@@alwaysOPEN4business You still Open for business after 9 years, Sweetie?
@@ginoongjuanito3044 haha I couldn't think of a better username
Netflix should make a documentary about Mrs Thatcher. Her story is very interesting because it discusses sexism, power and leadership.
and yet she never appointed another female as a minister in her cabinet
The problem is she did some insanely massive damage to the working class. She destroyed their prospects and left most in squalor in the north. A lot of movies about her paint her in a kinder light and if you really read up on the demonisation of the working class, you'll be really shocked the lengths of her cruelty. They had the gall to protest her wanting to shut their only work in regions and she silenced them. It was awful. People literally celebrated her death... that's how awful she was.
I'm sure she faced misogyny but she herself was deeply rooted in ultra conservatism and bigotry so I wouldn't be shocked if the sexism issue wasn't that big of a deal for her.
@@selty ... well said!
I was thinking this, eventhough I'm not a fan of her personally. A series about her politically, and the era, merits it's own miniseries. A lot more went in in that decade of leadership.
@@nathananand It's referenced in The Crown: she said women generally lacked the skills required, and were too emotional.
99% comments on "Gillian Anderson better win Emmy" & she should
And she won’t
@@acousticsong-guitarco964 She's good she have to win she deserves..
@@acousticsong-guitarco964 haha...she won Golden globes and now go and cry.
I love the line where Prince Philip forced his queen to turn on the tv and said 'It's Julius Caesar, or should I say Julia Caesar?' Lol
Did he say that in reality I wonder? But it's got a comical twist.
I liked that line because the actor who plays Prince Phillip also played Brutus in Rome 😂
can i just say Geoffrey Howe's casting was the most perfect in this season .. although other actors were brilliant
Well said!
Geoffrey Howe and Dennis Thatcher, imo. I was kind of sad we didn't see more of the other politicians (no Neil Kinnock?) but there was a brief John Major showing near the end.
Anita, you're an amazing story-teller! What a great video!
I love how this lady narrated the story.
People need to understand the Crown is not a documentary series, ergo they don't want to do things EXACTLY the same. The director has said himself that he wants to put some creativity into it. If you want to see someone that looks exactly like Diana or Thatcher then go watch a documentary about them. They can't be carbon copies. All of them are doing an amazing job.
30 years ago. I remember being a child, watching my mother go sad and my dad go happy, on this occation.
11 years! What a lady! Tougher than most men.
And she’s still dead lmao
@@TheMarioManiac you thought you ate lol
Stop glorifying that evil witch
Most women are emotionally stronger than men
I’ve read that some reviewers think her portrayal of Margaret Thatcher is exaggerated. Well I was there, and I can assure you that it is spot on.
Because of Thatcher we got a lot of Classic New Wave songs in the 80's, and for that I am always greatfull ;-)
Why is she to thank for the new wave songs?
Braindeficient... We got Punk and V for Vendetta... You are a soft mangy cur who maybe wasn't even born when she ruled. Give credit to the artists, Dumbydork...
Fun fact. The Thatcher government decided to introduce the Poll Tax a whole year earlier in Scotland, because the Scots hated all she stood for.
Good for her.A true tactician
Yup I'm a Scot and even today just her name evokes much angst 😆
Millions of Scots voted for her and she won dozens of seats in Scotland.
Is Scotland the customary testing ground for controversial legislation?
@@myoctobersymphony4446 and yet, after her downfall, the Conservative party hasn’t had the same amount of power if used to had before Thatcher became PM.
These mini-docs are very well done!
These extras are so well done!! So interesting!
According to the Crown she was called the "Iron" Lady because she spent so much time ironing.
Are you an ass or just an idiot? The reference to “Iron” was due to being tough. I doubt that any of the real life CROWN cast know how to operate an iron, washer or TV
@@johnpickford4222 Google sarcasm moron.
I can't stop laughing, help. *This isn't sarcasm*
Bruce Robertson: Oh Brucie, c’mon admit it, you’re still tied to Mama’s apron strings and anything that reminds you of her makes you tear up. If you don’t know, shut the fuck up. Thatcher was tough, had the balls you don’t. THE IRON LADY was always a reference to her being tough and not afraid of being challenged. If her nickname had to do with domestic chores, she would have been THE IRONING LADY, something quite different.
Camila Ferro: Don’t encourage them, they don’t know a fucking idiot if it looked back at them in a mirror and said “Hello, Don’t I know you?”
"The Battle of Trafalgar"? Are you sure they weren't just called the Poll Tax riots?
Haha yup that’s exactly what they were called
They were. “Can’t pay won’t pay” was the slogan
We have a riot in the country every 20 years. The French have one every other month.
Anita is so good at telling stories from history.
Gillian Anderson was good but felt exaggerated and old in the role at times. Meryl Streep was the best as Thatcher. Gillian nailed the voice though.
Gillian's portrayal of her was actually very comical and exaggerated, from her posture, to her facial expressions and to her voice which sometimes sounded like a very old woman.
That's what got me. I thought it was more a caricature than an accurate representation of Thatcher. Having had to watch ole Maggie on the TV growing up, I felt like Anderson did try her best but she merely plucked some surface mannerisms and expounded upon them to the point where it felt like it was more a mockery of the original.
Maybe that was intended. Who knows.
I didn't like her walk, seemed too geriatric.
She does give the impression of being super old
She was terrible,unwatchable. That said I usually find her work very good.
Agreed
I loved this series... I just literally remember straight away all of the Mps from Spitting image, John Major Appearence on the last episode... Could be interesting to see him in the new season if there's another one ❤
When she openly admitted to her daughter that her brother was her favorite because he was "stronger" and kept kissing his behind after he came back from Algeria, was so disgusting that I had to come here to see how she ends.
You should also know that the Crown is not a documentary about royals and it's creators had zero knowledge about margaret thatcher relationship with her family, since it's her private life. They can easily demonize and embellish certain characters, whereas in real life they were a totally different person than portrayed. This show definitely wanted to make Thatcher as unlovable, as possible.
@@jshell0771 well she wasnt lovable by most back then..
@@bibaolaitan5189 I am aware of that, but it's utterly stupid to deny the positive change she brought to the country, even though it was quite painful
@@jshell0771 I know that, but did she favor her son over her daughter??
I actually felt sorry for Thatcher in the scenes at Balmoral. The whole family were so rude to her and Princess Margaret was probably the worst of them all.
I don't believe this is actually how it happened at all, but the show did write her in a more flattering way in these scenes.
Riveting storytelling - Great authority and voice - Beautifully narrated
You have a fantastic voice and presentation of your programme. Congratulations.
I abhor Thatcher's politics, but I found myself agreeing with her bad impression of the royal family as portrayed in The Crown. They do seem like frivolous, snobby, useless people whose strange idea of what work is, is really laughable.
The only thing thatcher was ever correct about was Europe. The last thing the vast majority of brits want is a politician as head of state. long live her gracious majesty Queen Elizabeth II.
@@benbim540 hail hail the queens in jail
@@callumhiggins4388 surely ten tear olds shouldn't have access to youtube
@@benbim540 why was she correct about Europe? Why does the UK want to separate itself from the rest of the continent? I'm honestly asking
@@benbim540 well she was right about socialism. Britain’s economy improved from being the sick man in Europe to being a European powerhouse.
as, if not more polarising than trump, but a hell of a lot smarter and even as a woman i loathed i did respect her as an individual
There's no need to respect any tory for any reason
@@NosyFella in a world with the likes of boris and trump running things i see things differently
@@NosyFella so you have no respect for Churchill defeating Hitler?
@@dannyquinn9128 did he though? The soviets were the ones who caused his downfall
@@Ben-ky8yb it was a two fronted war, a combined effort. So yes he did, with help. The Soviets could not have won on their own.
Another cracking outfit, Anita!
Oh yes, know where that would look good?
Anita Rani is an awesome narrator ❤️
I think Thatcher had good fiscal policies for Britain at the start but towards the end she lost touch & refused to adapt her economic policies to the changing pressures that UK was facing that was her failure.
In my opinion that's all you can really expect. There is a reason why term limits exist in many countries. New blood and different opinions is always important.
No one leader is perfect. Sometimes you need a particular person just for a particular time.
@Thomas Headley This is true. There is no perfect system really.
She was a towering figure in British politics and left a huge imprint for generations to come.
The imprint wasn't positive
@@maelguiraud3568 Yes, it was. She practically saved the British economy from disaster and restored Britain's international standing.
How could the series ignore the Fall of the Berlin Wall and collapse of Soviet Union. That is a massive gap that turned the Crown into a soap opera.
@Sara-Stina Bergstedt neither does the kennedy assassination but here we are
@@dan-pi8pn the crown did cover it dumb dumb
@@imperialguard7781 uhm that's what they meant
Thatcher resigned at the end of 1990, the USSR dissolved in 1991. I expect that the fifth and final season of the Crown will begin on that note
If you're just noticing the series IS a soap opera, idk what to say. Just saying.
No no no, I think Steve Nallon has the voice. The rest are ok, they don't have the 90% mark.
When history and childhood memories meet.
Gotta love that "funding terrorist groups in Ireland" girl power
Yeah😬
Such a retarded meme.
@@myoctobersymphony4446 that's the point of it
"She became an authoritarian leader" according to her inner circle. After a decade in power ,she felt that no one could challenge her and no one could get in her way.
The Poll tax that she was very like to impose came into heavy criticism and objection from her own cabinet and within the Conservative Party. Despite all of that, she is unyielding , she did not listened to the advise and opinion of those around her and wants to go ahead with that anti poor legislation . Finally, ambitious men in her party saw this opportunity and took it for granted.
While she was in Paris, France a leadership challenge came in. Again, she's overly confident and did not rally her party members for support. Politics is about switching sides. You can expect them to be loyal at you but not all the time.
Lol a flat tax which is basically what that was is not anti poor. Lol what a nonsense comment.
Winston Churchill said that are no friends in politics, only alliances.
Margaret Thatcher was an extraordinary woman... the nickname "Iron Lady" fits her perfectly. Unfortunately, The Crown fell short to portray her 11 years in power, there was so much material that she could be on the show for 2 seasons, imagine Gillian Anderson playing some of her battles on the parliament, or some Falkland war scenes... I missed that on the show, it was too little and too fast... almost like the producers were in a hurry to finish. Well... at least Gillian Anderson was perfect as Thatcher, she did a GREAT job and I love The Crown.
She was extraordinary sure, but she held extreme political bias and was horrible at dealing with the Troubles in Ireland, eventually the Anglo-Irish Agreement was the worst thing she could possibly do, stamping her as one of the worst prime ministers to stain the uk's history.
@@liandrysanguishinshin7955 Are you irish?
I really think she was under utilised. I also expected a lot more on the troubles too.
@@sparkequinox same. I was surprised that they didn’t delve deeper into the Thatcher years- it felt very shallow considering how much social outrage and violence that generation experienced over her policies. I guess they wanted to focus more on Diana.
Lol extraordinary?? Really? She was a racist
Love that scene where the queen gave Thatcher that award for her dedication to her and the country
The set, styling, and host were wonderfully picked for this. Very appealing.
Goodvideo.Thanks
Thatcher was and is one of the very few women I respect.
Apparently, she sacrificed personal time to do her homework, so she had conviction about her decisions.
I love how The comment section is made of 50% Emmy and Oscar Winning renowned professional actors who are giving very necessary comments on Gillian's acting 🤩
S4 ended so quickly.😭 I need S5 now.
Gotta wait a year
That won’t be shown until 2022 I’m afraid.
Gillian Anderson is absolutely spot-on as MT, I was 29 when the poll tax came in, I remember the riots across the country, it was devastating. When Major replaced Maggie his nickname was " son of handbag.." even in a recession the Brits can find something to laugh about.
what does “son of handbag” mean?
@@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHimhe was her child and in her bag aka mummy’s little boy I guess 🤣
I really love Thatcher . A very strong woman of character. Just like the great Queen 💞🤩🇿🇲🇿🇲
I really enjoyed this 9 minutes 32 seconds of my life watching this. Very informative short feature.
Politics makes me depressed. But i will say that Gillian was brilliant as thatcher. Just brilliant!......
My mind has been refresh.Thanks.
Gillian's accent & pronunciation was on point but why was she made look so old? Margaret was a strong lady with a strong & firm posture but Gillian was shown to be struggling to stand up.
the anchor Anita Rani was very good 👍
Somewhere @Plumbella is making a cuppa to calm down.
Gillian Anderson deserves an Emmy !!
The years have shown Thatcher's position to be correct.
Thank you
Trying to improve my 🇬🇧
And it' s very clear for me
'Battle of Trafalgar' Is she having a laugh? We never called it that and I was there.
Thank you for this interesting conversation
Anita looks gorgeous🤩✨
Oh yes, she could get it.
You may disagree with her policies but you can not deny, Thatcher earned her place in government and history. Another example that you can accomplish anything if you give it your all. One of the virtues that made the United Kingdom.
I really like this narrator she's fabulous
She was right....there were no suitable successors to her Prime Ministership. John Major was dreadful
@BERTO YACOB ok 😂
How rich it is to hear this during the time of Boris Johnson
A very admirable and strong woman! Hope to see another one like her soon.
“Ding dong the witch is dead!”
Margaret Thatcher was my favourite of all The Queen’s Prime Ministers (show only) on The Crown.
Shame the crown didn't show the worst of what she did
Gillian Anderson absolutely nailed the way Maggie Thatcher used to sit and talk sort of from the side. She was SO good at it.
what a great woman!
What a gorgeous, smart presenter.
A rather misleading summary of the events that led to Margaret Thatcher leaving office. The poll tax was certainly unpopular, but it was the ever closer connection with the EU that was the key issue.
At the end of the day Margaret thatcher wasn’t always the best Prime Minister for the people of the United Kingdom but we can say that she changed the face and the culture and the class system of the United Kingdom for the better she strived and worked hard and she came along way from her father owning a grocery store and coming from a hard-working background may Margaret rest in peace
Whatever obstacles a person overcame to get to a position are irrelevant to how much damage they do once in that position. Plenty of leaders have come from small beginnings and been reviled leaders or hideous dictators.
The reverse is also true, very few people care about the privilege a person comes from if they use that position to aid the impoverished, and disenfranchised.
I don't know, if anyone knew how to fuck up a country, it was her
So many of the protests against Thatcher are called battles
Because she militarised the police and turned them against the people of the country. They would cover up their numbers, so there was no accountability. She set out to destroy the threads that held people together, because that was the only way she could beat them. She destroyed society, and made money a god.
😂 😂
Margaret Thatcher was amazing! While leftists hated her, she is still popular among most of the people who were alive during that time. She was the British version of Ronald Reagan. While liberals in America still spew hatred against President Reagan, he is still one of the most popular presidents in American history. He won in 1980 by winning 47 out of 50 states. He won reelection in 1984 by winning 49 out of 50 states (and he only lost his opponents home state of Minnesota by about 2,000 votes).
@@lyndawilliams8434 Thatcher came to office in early 1979 on a Tory Conservative sea change because Old Labour's previous PM, had allowed a precarious wages and incomes policy that the all-important allies, TUC, never liked but tolerated it for almost 4 years because of rampant inflation, unemployment levels, Britain's perceived second and third rate economic/military status among its European and US allies. Everyone remembers UK's "Swinging Sixties" for art, music, and consumerism, but tend to forget UK stock market almost crashed in mid-60s, pound got devalued, British industrial infrastructure, plants, mills, heavy industries got older and more antiquated compared to newer, more dynamic EU economies of France and West Germany. By the early-mid 1970s, the economic situation had worsened with widespread TUC strikes, labor militancy, the three-day work week, large piles of garbage and trash remained stinking of main city centres in many British cities and towns as garbagemen went on strike. Old Labour, increasingly found it harder and harder to control or negotiate with newer, younger, militant, less reasonable TUC members than the ones Atlee and Wilson had dealt with generation before.
Then there was the 1978-79 "Winter of Discontent"--a series of widespread labor and industrial strikes in almost every or part of every major sector of British economy at a time when UK was experiencing its worst recession since the Great Depression of the 1930s. I'd compare the 1978-1979 "Winter of Discontent" and Old Labour inability to stop or manage it and its probably the worst single incident of labour unrest in modern British history since 1926 General Strike when Ramsey McDonald became Labour's first PM. "Winter of Discontent" left bitter memories and made deep, powerful scars on many individual British voters all across the political spectrum, even modern Labourites and Thatcher exploited that resentment and the perception of Labour as too idealogically rigid, old fashioned, and its affiliated organizations like Militant as dangerous far-left idealogues who would wreck the economy and nation again if elected again. Plus, the worldwide economic boom of the 1980s made her neo-liberal economic policies appear to be successful and Britain's military/defense standing had risen too, due to retaking the Falklands after Argentinian military junta tried to distract disaffected citizens from a police state surge called the "Dirty War" by assuming the role of anti-imperialists reconquering islands they'd long considered theirs since 1833 and had been (and still are) hotly disputed issue between Argentina and UK.
@@lyndawilliams8434 Bingo.
I think I would say that Sir Keith Joseph was more the architect of Thatcherism rather than Geoffrey Howe. I was a member of the Conservative Party then (not any more I hasten to add) and met Geoffrey Howe a few months after this speech. He spoke to us very positively about Margaret Thatcher.
I dont think netflix likes Thatcher very much
Gillian you are truly superb, you really nailed Mrs Thatcher, the crown is totally yours. 🌹
She's reading the autocue out like its a Jackanory story on kids TV!
I love Margaret Thatcher and thought she governed well by turning Britain away from socialism towards a more free market economy. However, I didn’t agree with the poll tax but, overall she was very good.
Wait.. what? So, Thatcher is trying to tax people the same amount regardless of their social status.. what?
That was a massive issue because it disproportionately and negatively affected the poorer parts of society.
Say for example, everyone gets taxed 25% of their income. To someone who earns a 100k a year, they would be left with 75k which is plenty of money to pay for bills, spend and still have enough to save for the future. On the other hand, someone who earns say around 15k a year (the average lower income bracket in the UK now), would result be left with 11.25k. When factoring in the raw costs of daily expenses, you'd find that that leftover amount is ludicrously low for living expenses in a year. This means that, the poor would not be able to save any money up for the future and would be reliant on the hourly wages of their (probably low-income) work in order to survive.
In times of economic hardship (of which there were plenty of during Thatcher's premiership and even before and after her reign), many workers would be laid off so the ones who physically weren't able to save up for such harsh times would literally be left starving or on the streets. From that, you can see how harmful poll tax was on the most vulnerable sections of society.
To contrast this poll tax system (a type of tax called regressive tax - a tax which places the burden on the poor), there are progressive taxes - taxes which places the burden on the richer citizens. With progressive taxes, the poorer sections of society will have to pay less taxes than their richer counterparts on the basis that a.) the raw taxes paid by the poor will be significantly less even if the percentages were the same and b.) less taxes for the poor will actually give them a chance to climb up the ladder (in terms of finances).
@@kng2159 umm, that’s not how the poll tax worked. That’s just a flat tax. The poll tax was a fixed amount, no matter your income. So say it was determined everyone household in your area had to pay $500. For some that might be a night out with friends. For others an entire month’s rent.
@@kng2159 wrong example. Income tax is progressive and even more so. First 12k are tax free, then most people get taxed at 20%, those that earn twice gets taxed....4 times, 40% on twice the amount (on the marginal).
The poll tax was about fairness and self-reliance. The poll tax was only for the services that the Council provide to each individual. Poor people litter as much as the rich (I have very strong personal evidence of the opposite: those that are at home dossing all day, collecting benefits leave their cans of beer in the street), so they have to pay for that specific cost, the same. It's the same as the TV licence, like it or not
No. There was an 80% reduction for people on low income.
@@kng2159 local councils set the rate. They were the ones at fault. Not Thatcher.
Greatest PM ever. Along with Churchill and Disraeli.
Gillian didn't nail the accent in my opinion. It was way too strained, especially when you put her and Thatcher's voices next to each other.
Yes it sounded like she needed some water
@@marcusmelancon3426 true haha
I completely agree with you!! I find it actually so hard to listen to!! She didn't sound nearly this raspy at all !!!
The queen awards more than the order of merit. The monarch is solely responsible for the garter, thistle and royal Victorian orders as well.
Disappointed they didn’t add the hong kong passing to china
They did not add many useful things, cold war for example.
Thatcher, by then, was no longer PM
Not until season 5.
Agreed, the handover itself was in 1997 but the talk between Thatcher and Beijing on the issue was in 1982. Too bad they don’t cover her visit to China in this season.
You really need to have a word with your researchers:
1) The EU didn’t exist until 1993 when the Maastricht Treaty was ratified.
2) That wasn’t Thatcher’s final PMQs, she had one more on 27th November.
Notice she used the royal plural 'we'! The joke at the time when one-pound notes were swapped for coins instead was: What is big, round and wants to be a sovereign?
The queen also has, in her personal gift, the garter and the thistle.
WONDERFUL actress
È stata formidabile nell'interpretazione 🔝
One of the three legendary Prime Ministers of the 20th century and we focus on a resignation. 11 and half years in office and we focus on a resignation. Inflation at an all time low and we focus on a resignation 😐. Unemployment at record lows and she focuses on a damn resignation 😑.
Churchill, Wilson and Thatcher?
Anita is a captivating storyteller (and stunningly beautiful). Would love to see more from her.