JA-37C Viggen In War Thunder : A Basic Review
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2021
- A quick review of the Saab Viggen, added to War Thunder in the "Direct Hit" update.
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I love how this dude explains things, he talks like a college professor 💀
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Finally a competent cc that explain things without complaining. Can't wait for more vids
I consider myself a pretty average player - I try not to come off as "whiney" while still mentioning when I had trouble with something.
@@TimsVariety atleast you do that. I can relate I'm careful not to mention disfactual stuff. Alot of these war thunder youtubers ruin stuf for alot of us by making up stuff and people bandwagon cause they dont know better then we lose things and things get changed and we can have nice things
The JA-37 Viggen uses a gun with the same ammo as the A-10 Thunderbolt II the Oerlikon KCA.
Compared to the common 30mm Aden's this gun has a much higher muzzle velocity.
IRL the JA-37C was the first aircraft to get the AMRAAM outside the US, the RB74 wing pylons also had flare dispensers.
The viggen also had an excellent gun autopilot that would control pitch and yaw to lay the gun on a target. It was very accurate.
Is this not replicated in game? Please submit a bug report if true.
wow I didn't know the Viggen could lock onto the Sr-71. Thank you for that information
Only briefly - the Blackbird flew out of range pretty quickly. :-)
@@TimsVariety Also only in a stall climb, basically zoom climbing until nearly stalled and lock on. Would have worked though, at that elevation missiles have a scary range.
That happened numerous times during the cold war.
@@TimsVariety NO, because Viggen always attacked heads On , Not from the rear. The RB-71 could get an lock when They did the "chicken" race. ...Former technician Swedish Air Force ;)
I love how you explain the small real life info about the viggen, like how it managed to achieve lock-on on the SR71!
I met this dude in warthunder, didn't know I was in the presence of such a legend
Love the review! These things are scary to go up against - even with the EJ Kai. Looking forward to that review soon. :)
I smack them in f104 boom and zoom lol
Sweden almost got a sale of the Viggen to India however the US blocked the sale due to the licence built, although incredibly modified P&W JT8D engine powering it..
The Viggen looks so clean! I'd grind the Swedish tech tree just to fly it!
Thanks man! I think we met in game a few hours ago. You really helped sell this plane to me. Now time to suffer the stock grind.
That was fast. :)
It is actually five different planes - even though the first four are more similar (first generation Viggens). The other are the SF, SH and Sk (later AJSF, AJSH, Sk 37E), phot resse, maritime patrol/sea suirvaillance and school/trainer.
In reality they were capable of Mach 2.1 at altitude and 1.2 on the deck. Atleast a new aircraft..
The War Thunder one is a bit weird.. No need to call it a C for the countermeasures.. Those were introduced what was (later) called a "C" (there were no As nor any Bs - just JA 37, JA 37C (those not made into Ds later), JA 37D and JA 37Di
By the time this C was around, the airbrakes were no longer usable (not used much and the button in cockpit, the space was needed for other things iirc). It never really used RB 24s, just 24Js and from 1986 RB 74s (AIM-9Ls), so it should actually have those.. Which might be a balancing factor - BUT, the Russians got all aspect IR missiles, or so I was told, so WTF?
The auto pilot also helped aim the cannon as well, even spreading the salvo with rudder input, otherwise it was "too effective".. You want a little shot gun effect.. And it was effective to about 2.5km.:! You could also chose between 22 or 11 shells per second. 11 mainly for practice to conserve ammo - but it should be possible here too.
On SR-71s:
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The second pair were Ajs from F 6 Wing, based at F 10 Wing for this kind of purpose (interception). The first pair were JAs from F 13 Wing.
On the interceptions.. It was purely "for fun" and no evilminded spirit.. ;) And still very hard. Up in the blue if any lock would in reality actually generate a hit (probably not)
The ARAK m/70Bs were very rarely used.. But still powerful rockets (mainly used by the AJs). Not popular by the fighter-Viggen pilots. They usually fired all rockets in 0.6 seconds but you can fire one from every pod as well.
Yes, thatgun was special. Still, to this day, the most powerful cannon ever put into a fighter..
Yeah, the grey. :) The Gripens actually have a different grey tone on both the greys. The JA 37s and J 35js had one type and the AJSF 37s in SWAFRAP (Swedish Air Force Rapid Reaction thing) and JAS 39s have another grey colour..
Didn't ask
the only plane the Russians received all aspect IR missiles on was the mig 23, because it needs all the help it can get to even be slightly competitive.
@@andrewmoore7022 literally did not ask
@@mrburnsthesexmachine2468 Yet you couldn't help but commenting on the answer to the question you didn't ask. Not only once, but twice. 🙄
@@rectalvapor2234 took your time
I love this plane, great review!
Love your reviews and thanks to them I decided to buy the new J35A premium to speed up the grind
Sadly I regret buying it now and not waiting some time since most matches come down to entire teams of J35As against A5-C, doesn't help that there is a bug that fucks you over with allways spawning you with minimal fuel load no matter what amount you select
Ugh. Well, the GOOD news is that after about a week, the variety of planes in matches will be "back to normal" and a little more fun. At least half of the matches I did this morning were all "Sweden Vs F-4 Phantom IIs" , thankfully it'll pass.
@@TimsVariety Yeah I hope so.
But what worries me is the Gaijin could down tier the J35A to 9.3 since so many new players bought it and don't even manage to take off with it.
It's perfect at 9.7. The competition is strong but the jet is very capable even with the RB24 you still can get a kill or two if you do it right.
@@TimsVariety took a new update to finally kill the f5c spam from red skies might I add….
For that glitch if you take out min fuel then j out on the airfield and select what fuel you want it should stop happening (for the time being)
@@ivanvukadin3194 they should just give it 2 rb24j
i love ur "quick" reviews
i agree
Next time he should just give his logo some stick figure arms and legs and have it walk out on the screen and shout “PLANE GOOD, BUY NOW!!!”. That’d be quick.
@@sidchicken2308 💀💀💀💀
Well, the "detailed" ones usually run closer to 20 minutes....
Kind of hoping they add the JAS 39 Gripen eventually, although implementing all features of said plane might take a while and I assume a lot of it is confidential
This dude deserves more subscribers!
I like the Swedish in the Cockpit ^^
One of the few planes I want to play War Thunder for, but I don't want to do the insane amount of dull grinding.
4:50, because this beauty, have similar shells like 30mm gattling in A-10, this is beast, thats why, u can kill most modern jets in game with 1-3 shoots.
I swear, a few times, I just POINTED the cannon at them and they J'ed out !
So glad to have a lower BR Viggen that won't take as long to grind. Time to start researching.
good stuff man
The way this guy talks sounds alot like Matt Wagner from the Developers of DCS ahah. Amazing video
You should do a review of the F-8E now!
I've been having problems with the Viggen's thrust reverse. For me it randomly shuts itself off when trying to use it and I'm really not sure what's going on other than maybe it doesn't like using B to brake while also using the thrust reverse? Although it's done it even when I'm not trying to brake and use thrust reversal at the same time, the bug has been happening to my friend as well on the Viggen, but on the SK60B it functions normally
People keep going on about how great the RB71s are but for the life of me I cannot get these things to work ingame. Outside of full headons they just simply do not seem to work. You can't lock someone from behind or the side it seems
This thing sounds so insanely advanced
*Quick point on the Viggen acquiring the blackbird.
The Blackbird is not a dedicated stealth aircraft, it's been radar locked plenty of times by both Viggens and American aircraft.
The ISSUE comes from actually maintaining that lock for an extended period of time, and actually reaching out and touching it with your AAMs/SAMs.
Lock isn't that hard as you say, difference is that ground control tracking the SR-71 directed the Viggens into a heads-on parable with the pilots doing the final adjustments to get a firing solution for the lock, that would have allowed the missiles to make contact. This is why the USAF sent the diploma.
Saw you in the A5C yesterday, is a review for that coming soon?
Yes, probably by the end of the week. I want to finish a few of the "main tree" reviews before posting a premium review.
On the forum someone showed that this jet misses about 10% of its thrust in and out of afterburner
I’m a total noob when it comes to radar, how big of an impact does the difference have between ACM and PD? Does it affect middle tracking drastically?
Would be nice to get a J35F(or younger) as it had a new radar and could fire radar guided falcons
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The Viggen’s guns are the same caliber as the A-10’s massive GAU-8 30mm cannon
I've hit 1470kmh on the deck in straight line making vigen the fastest jet in the game on the deck
I hit the same speed in the MiG-23M, but the plane ripped right after passing that speed.
Viggen goes 1536 before ripping, mig23s 1470 and now f14 1570
Hey, ive got 1 question, in the Dev Server the J37 had a system where when u radar locked someone, you had a circle where u have to shoot with your gun.
Is this not in the game anymore?
I did not notice it when playing the Viggen - all the footage in this video is from the "live" server.
@@TimsVariety ah ok, I found someone who said they removed it. I thought maybe I needed to bind a key or something, sadly not in game anymore ;(
Isn't that in Arcade battles only?
What would you guys say works better for flares, flare priority or mixed
So, how do you use the boresight mode on the radar?
Overconfidence and tunnel vision can happen on any jet so basically no weakness
should do vid with the 252 flares on the jaguar a
Jaguar A is on the list.
Extremely underrated channel, you actually seem to know real aviation pretty well. I wonder if i saw you in any games i usually fly the f8u.
Good yob agean !
Is this the one at 10.7 ?
Its radar is supposed to be good, but in game it acts pretty dumb sometimes. Hope Gaijin can fix it. And the fuel and bullet explosion problem.
Loving the content, i was wondering what ur pc specs are? :)
I'm running a Threadripper 3960x, 64gb ram, all M.2 NVME storage, but only a GTX 1070 (cant find a 3070 or 3080, same as everyone else).
@@TimsVariety ok thanks
the way this guy talks... me like a lot
can you look at the mig 23/27 with the r60m
Mig-27 is in the queue.
None of this is right though. The radar is a copy and paste of the F4E with a PD mode added on, and the Skyflash is a copy and paste of the AIM7E2, of which other nations all carry more.
society when the gripen is added.
What in particular is the acm mode?
GREAT question - "Air Combat Maneuvering" mode, also known as "boresight mode" - the radar stops sweeping the dish and just points it directly forward and tries to lock up whatever is in the center of it's view.
When I next update my video about radar systems I'll go into more detail about ACM, and slaving IR missiles, since more sets can do that now.
Does the viggen have the same radar guided gun lead like the MiG 23?
Mig23 has a lead indicator?!?!?……BTW no they removed it before the patch went live
@@natet9449 damnit, I was really looking forward to that. Did they say why they did? The gun is hard enough to aim without tracers. Yeah the MiG-23 has one. Or at least it should. I’ve only seen it used in the dev stream for red sky’s.
I have a weird bug where my thrust reverser dosent work pretty much at all even though it says “thrust reversal on” not sure what to do (I’m on console)
What's the keybind you use
You have to have your wheels in the ground now to start using reverse thrust. If you’re already doing that, then I’m not sure what could be causing you issues.
Cool plane but the grind scare me
I just boom and zoom them in f104j
Still a good aircraft?
usually, yes.
I thought the only reason it was not sold to India or other nations was because the US blocked the Swedes as the viggen uses American made parts.
The viggen is broken currently top speed of mach 1.8 on statcard and mach 1.5 at 11000 meters in test flight. Suppose to go mach 2,2
doesnt matter, at the deck it is fast enough and in a battle you never reach your theoretical top speed with any jet. God it takes you like 20min to reach it anyways, so who cares.
Not actually, due to thermodynamics 1.8 is the max it'll ever go without the required temperatures and altitude
@@TheDAWinz Too bad it wont go more than mach 1,8 at 11000 meters altitude where it is suppose to go mach 2,2
@@ColonelAckerson117 Lets just make the topspeed of all aircraft in the game max out at mach 1,5 cause it dosnt matter right ?
weak mindset
If they arent gonna make it realistic then they might aswell not add it.
I have been playing since 2013 and was so hyped for the viggen. Just to have them nerf it into oblivion
@@humbuggaming2126 shut up, who cares
hmm, i like it but still hmmm
hopefully the AIM 7E2 not gonna be nerf like the R60 cause for bAlAncE. lmfao
You play WT but sound like DCS.
This is the plane that will finally make me quit War Thunder (praise Jehovah). The Swedish tech tree requires you to research every single vehicle before this to get it and so there is zero reason to actually play this once I get it since all that RP just goes into a black hole. Oddly enough there is a ton of planes missing from the tree that are already in the game like the J 34, J 33 & J 30. I guess adding those would have messed with the business plan somehow.
That's a topic worthy of discussion - "what do I do once I have the tech tree fully unlocked for this nation?" , which is especially relevant for France and Sweden.
Awesome plane however the phantom still reigns supreme especially in teamwork scenario I've slapped that thing a lot it's my favorite target at the moment however this is probably due to inexperienced wallet warrior s unlocking it super quickly one on one the with a less good phantom pilot your target is dead meat
2 or 3 people in Phantoms on voice chat can almost always totally dominate an Air RB match, I suspect it'll stay that way for a while.
@@TimsVariety yea that's a very devastating combo it'll probably be hilarious when the f14 gets added lol I look forward to your video on that
Well something like this unfortunatly doesn't work if you are thrown into a match with strangers and i hate the phantom for that. I have less problems in my F-104s at toptier(well i had, but since there are now all of these pd planes, it is quite tough), because in it i don't have to rely on anyone helping me, since i have atleast the option to run. In the F-4EJ I have a positive kd (~1.5/d) but i never got used to it and you feel so helpless when anything like a Mig 21 bis or well a viggen is on your ass and the aim 7es aren't so useful because almost everyone has rwr and flares or even better radar than you. You get 4 Aim 7s yes, but how useful are these, when 90% of people can just deflect them with chaffs? The viggen on the otherhand has better radar and better missiles against which chaffs are just semi useful, even tho being it 2 less. In addition to that though it also more speed and manouverability on the deck and as he said in the video it "defines the meta" and i'm sorry, but in my view this usually means op(atleast against normal phantoms or the EJ. EJ kai and FGR 1/2 could beat it very well with their radar and good missiles).
@@benni1015 regular phantoms got the Aim7e-2s
@@samedwards0134 They did? That changes it a bit, but the F4EJ (normal) did not. Flew it yesterday.
F-8 for France next?
Its on the list :-) I should have all the new jets up by the end of the week.
@@TimsVariety Also, I'll add one more thing. I like the fact that you pointed out how much damage the unguided rockets do to bases. Did you use them for grinding the low tier modifications? And what aircraft did you use to get the Viggen itself?
@@MausOfTheHouse I was able to get into the gaijin content creator program, so I have the Viggen free for 7 days - I'll be using the Draken to grind it out permanantly.
As a more useful answer to your question - yes, my playstyle will be to use the guns then rocket pods to grind out ground targets for the first few upgrades.
@@TimsVariety Thanks, will do that :)
no, JA-37 wasn't the only capable of locking on SR-71. Viggen just had an occassion of testing her systems while escorting the Blackbird.
@@bpomowe224 maybe you can't really read... try again
@@spartan-s013 I'd say the problem is that the OP can't write for shit, but whatever.
Viggens did escort a SR-71 with engine failure over the Baltic Sea, but that's not how the radar lock was achieved.
@@bpomowe224 do you realise that this is nothing exceptional? The Blackbird wasn't stealth at all, there is nothing to be amazed about
@@spartan-s013 A hockey puck isn't stealthy either, but those good catching it tend to become famous.
The SR-71 had lowered signature, but the challenge is that it flies really fast and at the same time also very high up. This allows it to outrun most missiles. Soviet Union downed the U-2 when they got tired of it flying over their territory, they never hit a SR-71.
Getting a radar lock with firing solution means that if a missile had been fired, the most likely result would been a splashed Blackbird. Many have tried to place an aircraft of theirs in that position.
One country actually did.
@@bpomowe224 1. Hockey players aren't that famous and your comparison here is just ridiculous
2. No she has no lowered signature by any means, she was just fast, it was whole point of her. Everybody knows that, captain obvious
3. dude, that happened during an escort mission, means the Blackbird allowed them to be there, every country could lock her in that position.
Can't see what's your point here. It's like you want to argue over something that is just absurd
oh no, swedish
the speed is unrealistic and it should easily hit mach 2.2
Viggen can't reach mach 2 under normal conditions.
@@Umbrejolt Having the aircraft be mach 2 capable AT ALL TIMES was one of the bloody requirements for it to be selected!
It's so bad against 12.0
War thunder 🤢
Garbage plane at its Br, bad radar bad radar missiles
Shit game. Do not spend time on it.