Why Did Soul Society BETRAY Ginjo? His MISSING Backstory in CFYOW, REVEALED | Bleach Discussion
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Despite being the main villain of The Lost Agent Arc, Ginjo's motivations and history were, for many years, something of an enigma. However, thanks to the light novel Can't Fear Your Own World, we finally have a better understanding of why he hated the Shinigami, and why the first Substitute Shinigami felt so betrayed by the Soul Society - let's have a look!
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The secrets of Ginjo's past, revealed! What did you think of Ginjo's history with the Soul Society? Did it make him a more sympathetic villain in your eyes? Let me know!
I wished we knew, but he kind of tells us tho. Ginjo probably is the type to try angry if a friend is lying and or keeping secret's. So there might have been a death close to ginjo and was not happy about it, to then find out the pass was a listening device. Soni believe he got wrong impression. I haven't seen the video yet. So maybe that's the backstory.
This kinda changes things a lot I do feel some sympathy for ginjo
Because he wasn't evil at his core he was made evil by the bloody corrupt nobles
One thing I haven't been able to figure out. The Shinigami sent to bring down Ichigo were all curious selections. With Ikkuaku's 1st meeting with ichigo mirroring his first meeting long ago with Kenpachi, to Renji a close friend, Kenpachi, who probably cared less about orders rather than opportunity to fight.They're arguably the one's Ichigo has the biggest relationships with. Why not Shunshi/Soifon/Mayuri/Retsu? And weirdest of all in my eyes, Byakuya. Even before Ichigo made his choice, Byakuya battled Tsukishima. Even when under the belief that Tsukishima was his mentor, and had saved his life, he had to died for for the simple fact that he was Ichigo's enemy. It's kinda contridictory to hold both that view while still being prepared to kill Ichigo. IMO they only answer is that they were never their to kill him.
Significantly more satisfying than what we previously had! Really hope we get that hell arc, it would tie up SO many loose ends, and give the series the ending it always deserved.
Yes and no, because even he didn't know the whole story of this " betrayal". His hate was warranted but misdirected. Actually killing many innocents plus using a teenager and his group in that misplaced revenge made him just as bad as the people he wanted to take revenge on.
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The revelations from CFYOW really drive home what an absolutely bloody maniac Tokinada is. Ginjo became a killer because of another in a position of untouchable power. If there's any consolation to all of this it's that Xcution has become a force for good in the postwar world with the surviving Fullbringers as a charitable organization.
And Tokinada could only act like this because the system shielded him from any accountability basically up to the end. He himself was well aware of this, and that's partially why he became such a cackling psychopath.
@@MrGksarathy Truth. The ironic yet unsurprising thing about it all is that Soul Society's nobles have basically won per say. They have all the power, wealth, protection and say but despite this they endlessly feud among themselves with deadly consequences. Soifon's flashbacks and CFYOW really highlights this. Tokinada sure is a product of his world.......
I think Ginjo's backstory being left out of the manga, was the result of two main factors.
One, if we did get his bacstory we would pretty much need to deal with the whole Tokinada and dark practises of the Soul Society storyline.
Second, Kubo's health was already pretty bad by this point, and the Lost Agent arc had not been that popular with fans. So, I think both Kubo and the people at Jump though it was better to instead go ahead with the final arc focusing on the Soul Reapers and Quincy.
I think that Kubo did at some point during the TYBW, realized that he just wasn't going to be able to cover everything he wanted to, so he instead left the Fullbringer-storyline to the novels.
While I would have loved to see the Fullbringers get some more spotlight in the manga, I am happy that we got some good closure for them in CFYOW. And hopefully, with the novels being very popular and Ginjo getting a lot of focus in them, it could mean that he will play more of a role in the Hell arc. It would be interesting to see a reunion between him and a Hell-version of Ukitake.
I do like Ginjo, him being a dark mirror to Ichigo while still falling into something of a anti-hero role, makes for a cool and quite dynamic character.
I do believe you are right. He wanted to step down and finish and didn't want new plot threads that would not get fleshed out as well as Bleach is essentially about Ichigo so that's where the focus lies from start to finish.
If they do plan on animating CFYOW; I'd love to see some foreshadowing in TYBW's anime to help bridge the two.
@@loganhayse8771 hopefully Bleach plans on doing CFYOW & SAFWY since they already have the VA's for never before seen characters like Tokinada, Aura, Hikone, Roka & the Picarro. I know having VA's for a mobile game really isn't much of a guarantee but in 2019 when we finally got Squad 0 & later some Sternritters into the game with original VA's, it was definitely a sign that something was cooking up.
@@renftw7238 I feel SAFWY might be a bit too late at this point but CFYOW is a definite.
Both novels could be released as OVA's or movies, since demon slayer, Gundam, One Piece and Jujutsu Kaisen got theatrical releases in alot of countries.
It’s awful that these manga writers have to suffer like this
Ginjo and the rest deserved better in the thousand year blood war. I hope after the thousand year blood war ends, they adapt can’t fear your own world. What was Ginjo’s zanpakuto and how did he lose it after leaving soul society ? I want to know if he was able to obtain a Bankai of his own
It's possible he never had his own asauchi and therefore never achieved a true bankai. However he has achieved something closer to an resurreccion with his fullbring. If Hell arc continues, I'd love to see that.
@@loganhayse8771but he’s clearly shown with an asauchi in that brief flashback with a young tsukishima
@@gammafrost true. I'm assuming that is a full on asauchi. That opens new questions like where did he get it from.
@@loganhayse8771 he would have gotten it from the soul society like all other shinigami
@@gammafrost they all get it from SS but that's assuming they gave him one. Not sure if they would give him one vs him finding or forming his own like Ichigo did.
Ginjo was the personification of the past crimes of soul society coming back to bite them, he never struck me as evil as Aizen considering the dicks Yamamoto and the other higher ups were.
it would be cool if kubo just used ginjo at quincy arc just to show the bad past of soul society and why quincy and fullbringer leader want to destroy them
Man.... Soul Society is truly messed up... The first substitute soul reaper, purging of all quincies, enslaving of the soul king, almost replacing the soul king with Ichigo, Central 47, imprisonment of people YET to commit crimes... And soooo many more shenanigans
Wait could I get an explanation for the enslavement of the soul king
In short they were afraid of his power so the founding nobles had a vote to seal the soul king and rule in his place. I think Shiba was the only clan opposed to this and spoke out which is why they were ostracized from the noble families.
Thank you
It’s almost like the imperfection of the soul society reflects the imperfection of our world
“The road to hell is paved with good intentions” for every good deed the soul society has done it had to do a morally dubious one as well.
@necrospaci4835 exactly, they protect humanity and risk their loves and lives to do so.
But as you say the road to Hell is paved with good intentions
The soul society has a really bad habit of brushing their messes under the rug instead of actually cleaning them up.
@@maciejwucow1563They're actually great at their job, it's just that job isn't actually helping people, but maintaining the cycle of death and Soul Society's existence. It's just like many real systems in that way.
@@MrGksarathy true
@@maciejwucow1563 They have to make the oppressed buy into their own oppression, after all.
@@MrGksarathy Think it's why Hell gonna bit them in the ass.
@@MrGksarathy The fact that they only care about maintaining the life and death balance(that they created in the first place) is the main flaw with how their system works.
They send soul reapers into the world of the living to “protect” people from hollows and exorcize the lost spirits, yet there’s countless examples of hollows running rampant and unchecked in the world of the living.
Not only are the soul reapers apparently incapable of controlling the hollows and keeping humans safe, but they also commit mass genocide against anyone who’s forced to take matters into their own hands because the soul reapers can’t do their jobs and exorcize all the hollows.
The quincies, for instance; they killed hollows because they had to protect themselves, but were ultimately wiped out because the soul reapers didn’t want the balance disrupted.
Some would argue that it’s the quincies’ fault because they didn’t agree to terms with the soul reapers, but I imagine the original gotei’s terms were something like “do what we say or die.”
They were a bunch of bloodthirsty war criminals back then, after all.
Thank you for this video Tommo. Ginjo was one of my favorite characters and his lack of background in the main series was disappointing. You always put out awesome videos man, keep it up.
Ginjo is a perfect example that if an author is given the time to make a compelling villain, they can do so. Weekly schedules destroyed not just the writers but also their stories. Glad to see it's gradually being phased out in the industry.
definitely! in a world where approval ratings and weekly constraints weren’t a thing, ginjo could have been one of bleaches BEST best best villains
Soul Society really needs to keep the noble families in check. These noble are just like the Celestial Dragons of One Piece. Tokinada's doing a whole lot of awful things without facing any consequence. I wouldn't be surprised if in the long history of Soul Society, it was the nobles that caused half of the issues.
I don't know if you have read the CFYOW novels but the noble families are straight up responsible for the biggest crime in soul society history that affects the world until today
@@uraharakisuke1329 I'm currently in the 2nd volume. I assume the biggest crime is the original sin involving the soul king. I just realised that the original sin is similar to One Piece's void century but unlike the latter, I don't see Soul Society residents being made aware of the sin any time soon.
I always liked the idea of "nails" or fragments of the soul king. It gave him a slightly larger role in the series while also making the hogyoku somewhat more understandable with its god like properties.. and then of course it's the main reason why the tsunayashiro family targeted ginjo and the fullbringers.. I think the idea was well thought out and executed nicely
Ginjo is one of my 10 favourite characters. I'm currently deep into the 2nd Volume of CFYOW and I'm very happy about the focus on the deceased Fullbringers
Man, whoever they seem to fight at the end of the arc it always seems like every villain was a monster that soul society themselves created, I agree with almost all of them lol
Goodness gracious!! The subterfuge was real!! If the isolation that Ichigo felt when Tsukishima inserted himself is anything to go by, then Ginjo must've been truly traumatised by his systematic ostracization. Tragic indeed.
Yeah the Fullbringer Arc has a decent amount of cool concepts, and I'll admit the twist of Ginjo being the villain initially, was neat, if we even got a bit more of a backstory for him, he'd have been pretty solid antagonist.
Even with...the fairly similar premise to an arc from Yu Yu Hakusho lol
I think it'd be cool to learn about Ginjo's zanpakuto, its name and abilities.
That’s what I said too. I’m curious as to what kind of abilities he had
some zanpakuto has hollow some for example zangustu is hollow and quinicy power that itchigo has that ability
It's a great backstory, I wish we saw it in the manga but Kubo might still write it for the anime and/or a CFYOW OVA/films.
Can't fear your own world puts it together so nicely
I really hope we get to see it animated some day
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Ginjou is in my top 5. Glad they gave us more lore and story about him in CFYOW. I really hope he’s included more in the TYBW anime than in the manga.
Not only did Ichigo have Shinigami friends in Renji and Rukia, his own father used to be a fucking captain. Even when Ichigo learned the truth, the level of betrayal he felt can't be compared to Ginjo. Ichigo could escape to the fact that had it been something REALLY dramatic, his father or his friends would have let him know. He has people that care for him, and people that he cares about to help him navigate through this.
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Ginjo is an interesting and tragic character. He's definitely still a villain, but it's easier to sympathize with him after learning more about his backstory in CFYOW. I'm glad we found out more about Ginjo because I had a feeling there was more to him than we initially saw in the Lost Agent Arc.
Indeed. It also really highlighted the shady and then treacherous nature that permeates Soul Society's higher ups. Then again the ancestors were unflinchingly ambitious usurpers so that explains a lot, especially regarding the nobles. Wolves are more honorable than them.........
Central 46 really acts alot like U.S. congress and the Gotei (up to ichigo's arrival) acted like the corrupted police districts in Israel, U.S., Mexico, etc. Some squads were more corrupt than others. Also characters like Ichibei, Shunsui, Unohana, Ukitake, and Yamamoto really nailed that necessary evil vibes.
Ginjo and Tsukishima so underrated
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I wouldn't have hated seeing those Captains actually trying to kill Ichigo after his powers returned. Doubt it'd last too long, but it could have been interesting.
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as someone who's read all 3 light novel books ive been waiting ages for you to get into these
Got to like how this guy was responsible for both tosen and ginjo turning against the soul society.
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I always liked Ginjo. He was cool, and the Fulbring arc was kinda wild. 8/10 villain for me overall, but power and aesthetic 10/10
Nice vídeo, like always man!
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I was really hoping he'd have a large, if not primary, role in TWBW after we first saw him in the arc
Maybe the new anime will ( divert ) a smig , add to his , Fullbringers role.
I wish that this was put in the show and tokinada was made the real villain by the end of the season. Maybe we can get this in Hell Arc or at least get to see Ukitake meet Ginjo face to face again and he can apologize himself cause I think it also weighed on his heart after it all happened.
Wow great video, this was much needed for Ginjo's backstory. I always felt that his brief and vague partial-backstory was a rather weak one to justify his motives for murder and exacting revenge on the soul society. But after hearing what had actually happened in CFYOW it makes me totally understand Ginjo's actions. It's a shame that CFYOW may never be considered canon though.
I remember reading Bleach weekly and I was so excited for Ginjo's backstory to be revealed in the chapter after the young Tsuishima panel but never materialised due to the arc being cut short from low ratings. This backstory was much needed in the canon. I also wish we could've seen his Zanpakuto powers haha
This is why so many people decried the Lost Agent Arc as mess, when it was only unfortunately incomplete. Great writing again by Kubo-sensei.
Actually Ginjo's motivations were explained kinda even in the manga, in a very kubo like way, if you think about it Ginjo already told Ichigo his motivations when he told him about tsukishima the first time, you only need to know how Tsukishima's ability works and you can deduce what actually happened, in the story Ginjo told Ichigo, Tsukishima killed the fullbringers, at the time Ginjo was under Tsukishima's influence, so if Tsukishima wasn't the one who killed the fullbringers who did ? because Tsukishima only insert himself in someone's past he can't create other people that didn't exist, so the only possible explanation is that the shinigami were the one who killed them, add this to the truth about the combat pass and we kinda have the full story.
Also I don't understand why wouldn't CFYOW be considered canon ? yeah sure it wasn't written by Kubo's hand so some details may not be completely accurate, like power levels and who is stronger than who, but the content itself is 100% canon as it came from Kubo himself.
I thought the power stealing thing was a Fullbringer to Fullbringer thing? Or at least a human/Shinigami thing that required cooperation from both parties.. Ginjo can arbitrarily steal the powers of anyone he comes across?
I think he can "only" steal fullbring powers and shinigami powers as he is himself a fullbringer and a shinigami
I assume ginjos power robbing fullbring can rob the powers of anything he is, so he can rob the powers of hollows, shinigamj, and fullbringers everything else his powers don't work on.
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Ginjo is my favorite bleach character. I did awlays wished he was used more in the TYBW. Reading about him in CFYOW was very nice.
I always thought they made up the "substitute shinigami" thing up more or less on the spot and told Ichigo it was an established thing to avoid professional embarrassment or to trick the Central 46 or something.
I think Ichigo as the grade A student he was ( extremely smart), figured out way early on it monitored him.
See... now THIS is why i gotta buy the Light Novels. Man you just remimnded me and im HYPED
I always felt this character would've worked better if he was introduced before the soul society arc, because my problem is I never had the sense he had a pragmatic end game against Soul Society given what we knew at that point.
I never had the sense he had any leg up over Soul Society and/or Urahara.
As for the core ethical conceit as framed in the manga, him and the arc does still work because I would probably do the same in Soul Society's position, even after all they've been through against Aizen.
I would be very concerned to say the least, especially seeing how powerful Ichigo became in that fight and that power doesn't even seem replicable among any of the captains maybe save Zaraki.
I'm glad CFOYW addressed this and validated the character, kinda similar situation with Tosen who always felt a bit weak in the characterization department until reading that light novel and then he made more sense to me.
I'm generally not a fan of purely evil sadistic puppetmaster taking away agency from the conceit as established from before but overall it works in this context for me.
I feel like there were more substitute shinigamis maybe even 1000 years ago because the soul society are notorious for hiding secrets. I doubt they would of took lightly on how powerful these SS are like Ginjo and Ichigo. Im sure Ichibei could of granted a SS but at the time it was called different.
I think/hope they will integrate some of, if not all of the lite novels into the new arc. Perhaps as an epilogue.
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Ichigo was such a threat that several captains had to be there to potentially take him down if he turned. A full power Fullbring Bankai Ichigo would destroy them though
Nice video, and it is interesting to see the light novels using part of the lore that was not explained, but for me Ginjo's arc felt pretty much like a filler.
Characters with weird powers that have never been mentioned before (X)
Secondary characters that never show up again (Ichigo's boss) (X)
Very little conection to the overall arc (X)
Left the story in pretty much the same Status quo (in that case it was an easy way to revert the status quo change of Ichigo's losing his powers) (X)
I would love to see a full Tokinada Analysis Video
This fills in all the plot holes that should have been filled in during that story arc in the first place. It also explains why the Afro shinigami laughed at Ichigo because it was completely unheard of that Substitute Shinigami were ever used to the general public of the Soul Society.
I did wish Kubo would had the chance to include all this in the main material, cause for someone that hasn't read the light novels, this would explain so much about Ginjo's motives. I understand why Kubo couldn't, as there had to be some stuff cut from the source material, but it's a bit of a shame to do it in this round-a-bout way instead.
I'm ok about this, that Kyõraku talked and apologized in Ukitake's stead. If the hell arc would return and Ginjo would be the one to go up agains Ukitake, then it would be a good way to at least mention that Ukitake is sorry on how the first Substitude soulreaper project transpired.
I'm a simple man, I see a video about my favorite Bleach character and I click immediately.
Ginjo used to be a character that I liked well enough but that didn't stand out for me. After the series ended and I started playing a lot of Brave Souls, I've come to love his design and character. He's one of my favorite in all of BLEACH. In Kubo's case, it really is a fantastic example of less being more--from design to motivation to characterization.
I will say that the point made in this video regarding Ginjo's motivation being too simple for a villain of an arc is a bit short-sighted. It was refreshing to have a villain that wasn't a 4-D schemer with a god complex like Aizen and, furthermore, it was really nice to have a strong parallel and foil to Ichigo. I really loved that Ginjo's motivations were borne of Soul Society's otherization and treatment of Ginjo. Following Aizen, it is important to show that Soul Society is so flawed that these kinds of antagonists are borne of the inequalities and strife that the Soul Society puts into the world. Aizen, Gin, and Tousen aren't just isolated cases and Ginjo reminds us of that and has us questioning Ichigo's position relative to the Soul Society, too. With an arc that's balancing so much already, giving Ginjo deeper machinations wouldn't really serve the narrative much.
The more I hear about CFYOW, the more I want to actually read it myself and see all of it's content. I also wonder if it'd ever be canon someday.
There’s definitely a likelihood considering how popular the blood war anime adaptation has been
It is mostly considered as canon. While Kubo didn't write it he was still heavily involved with it and he came up with alot of the lore stuff.
I think it is considered canon by a big majority of the community since it all happened under Kubo's supervision. I can recommend the novels a lot, they make me appreciate Bleach a lot more
Ginjo was one of my favorites. I wish there was more character development
yeah i agree he should also did more help on ichigo against Ywhach
I would appreciate a video of potential Hell arc 🙏🏻
There was a mention in the Season 1 Anime near the end of the Soul Society Arc where substitute Soul Reaper is mentioned and, IIRC, it was said that it was uncommon, but not unheard of, for a substitute Soul Reaper to happen in the Soul Society's history.
You know....I literally thought back then it was a shout out to Yu Yu Hakasho
@@Csdabest89it's not too much of a stretch. Yu Yu Hakusho influenced Bleach.
Be nice if we get that so called hell arc, might get to see that Ginjo and Ukitake confrontation.
Hmm... you know how Rukia and Renji weren't supposed to go to Hueko Mundo to rescue Orihime, but then did so anyways? And then the 4 captains are even sendt after them? What if "monitoring Ichigo's decision" was just their excuse to go help Ichigo? Like they weren't allowed to just go and help him, so they needed a different "official" reason to be there?
Also, Tokinada is this weird character who was not in the manga, but is getting like, integrated into the lore of Bleach. I think he fits in a lot better than many filler- or movie-characters. Also, he is totally going to hell, isn't he lol?
Well the novels were meant to be cannon. So of course he's getting integrated into the story.
He deserves a spot in hell but we still don't really know much about how hell works and technically he did not die in battle.
I feel like Ginjo never met Mayuri and never got the idea of how soul society operates
This is something I would really like to see animated. Some of the light novels are full of excitement and information.
Man why they wait so late for this information? We could’ve used this info years ago. This makes so much sense and it’s sad. We knew the Shinigami were no good when we learned about Ichibei and what they did to the Soul King. Tokinada is the Danzo of a lot of things that happened in bleach.
Ive never seen someone love a manga so much and also be so disappointed and critical of it at the same time. Its like a parents love for their child 😂
I wonder how it would of went if Ichigo had joined Ginjo at the end (I mean after everything that happened that would never happen but still an interesting fight)Ginjo, Ichigo and the Fullbringers vs Byakuya, Toshiro, Kenpachi, Renji, Rukia and Ikkaku.
Other Full bringers are a joke to these Captains but if Ichigo transformed to full hollow, then it'd be over for Captains
How much better the end of this arc would be, if they had swaped Hitsugaya for Ukitake, in the Gotei 13 group that comes to Kurakura Town and actually had Ginjou face his own villain(no actual battle).
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I hope Ginjou shows up in the Hell arc.
very interesting take on this weird bleach quirk
What I wanna know is that why didn't Jushiro send out someone from his squad to inform Ginjo of the part where Tokinada fucked up the badge when he found out about it?
Hey man you forgot to add a explanation to rose and love and Kensei along with rukia/Lisa and Iba and Isane beyond bankai possibly there captains to remember
I know everyone knows that but Kubo’s art looks so good man.
Idea for a video: At which point in the story Ichogo surpasses each SS captain? Meaning that Ichigo would beat the said captain if they fought without any restrictions. Its clear that at the beginning he would lose to every captain but at the end he would beat most of them, but at which point in the story the scales tip toward Ichigo winning?
Soul society arc he's technically weaker afterwards because of his spiritual energy being absorbed by his combat pass
If CFYOW animated this will be much much much better than TYBW
🤔 looking back, Xcution in a nutshell is basically what the original concept for the Vizards were
Tokinada seems like he was written to be a scapegoat to chuck all the sins of certain characters off of while not erasing the over all moral grayness of the Soul Society at large.
7:34 nah we need to see alternate universe where ichigo sided with ginjo
Another thing I'm curious the most about Ginjo is how he acquired the power of a hollow like he said and how different it is from Ichigo
As far as I remember, he mentioned each of Fullbringers' mothers were attacked by Hollow before their birth and that is why they had these powers
OOT, do u have any idea who's dat shinigami that been sent to the human world to capture rukia in the early season of BLEACH? It was in the episode when isshin and ichigo visits Masaki grave and then rukia ran away to the woods and theres scene that shows those shinigami seems know Rukia well (scene when he said "u never change huh" if im not mistaken), i mean is he canon?
Can we get an izuru bankai vid plz 🙏
How many characters did Tokinada mess with? I know he's the reason Tosen became what he is now. Didn't know he was the reason Ginjo and the Gotei 13 fell out too.
I think I remember he is somewhat involved with Kyorakus sister-in-law being executed.😢
@@MugetsuFused man Tokinada is a god-level hater 😭
Maybe an impossible long shot, but after TYBL Anime is finished, I would hope that seeing the popularity, the potential for more money made, they would animate the novels as well... That's my hopium.
I love the soul society, how ruthless kenpachi is (though be can be soft sometmes) , heinous mayuri is etc.
If Ichibei's powes don't work on soul king fragments, then does that mean that the fullbringers are unaffected too?
i hope in the hell arc they have ginjo fight ukitake or be part of the fight
Damn this explains a lot. Anyone know where I can read the novels? Or if it has even been translated yet?
He’s easily a top 5 coolest character
Mhm so since we know 4 of the 5 great noble families maybe in the potential hell arc we get the 5 revealed since we can’t count really the ryodoji one but otherwise memories of nobody is kinda canon cause there life in the dangai/ valley of screams whic was there introduced and years after this came back in chapter 625 so have we know all 5 revealed maybe so the 5 are shiba but fallen kuchicki tsunajashiro ryodoji fallen too and the shihoin but it’s more likely we get another one as the fifth’s one
Ginjo didn't bring this up and he probably should have but maybe kubo didn't consider this fact which is that the soul society could've stepped in at any time. It is impossible that it took urahara almost 2 years to realize his plan of creating the sword and restoring ichigo's powers. But we know that the soul society intentionally did not act until ichigo had revealed the location of ginjo for them and also until he had passed their loyalty test. Which means they just let orihime and the rest of ichigo's friends and family get completely fucked with and ichigo get emotionally broken. So they are horribly cruel and pragmatic.
A big complaint is that ichigo never went to urahara about his powers, instead going to the completely unknown ginjo. Recall during the arrancar arc. Ichigo says that he didn't go to urahara about his hollow because he says if urahara could do anything about it he would've said something already. There's also of course the possibility that ichigo did go to urahara at some point during the timeskip. But we know how urahara would've responded. He would say he can't do anything. The reason is that he is in on the gotei's plan to let ichigo come into contact with ginjo, lead them to him and then find out whether he will ally with them after hearing the truth. And its very in character for urahara to allow all that to happen even if he could stop it. On top of that ginjo puts time pressure on ichigo with his plan. He needs powers immediately. He can't wait for urahara.
The only issue is isshin. No way should ichigo's dad allow that to happen. So thats the only out of character bit. But in general its quite an airtight plot thread. Very well organized and pretty great.
TBH ive wondered why high reishi people interfering with Shinigami aren't approached by them?
Old man Yama or Captain Kyoraku could petition central 46 for a pseudo 14th division compromised of trusted (after years of testing like Ichigo) living beings who accept the risks, the life of being monitored by the gotei, and do the jobs a shinigami is to busy to handle.
Im not talking sending them at gillians or vasto lorde but the little hollows that cause disruption in the mortal world. Like those that Chad and Orihime faced.
The only reason i see is that shinketsu will result (like Issin marrying a quincy).
damn,,, i wish this was in the animeeeeeeeee
they did my boy dirty.
I love this backstory. Shame it wasn't in the Manga/Anime. It really makes Ginjo even more of a tragic character.
There’s still so much story to be told in bleach man 😩
Ahh yes the Bleach: Chapter Black arc
Tokinada is the type of villain I like the most, who is evil for the fun of it and don't really have a motivation beyond finding pleasure in it.
Problem with characters like this is basically their back stories are useless and there's too many of them badly written
Not true for Tokinada, since his evil is also motivated by a bleak nihilism he developed upon realizing the world's original sin and just how shielded he and his family were from the consequences of that sin.