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    As the god of the Bleach universe, the Soul King is an ancient being, and progenitor of almost all that exists. Therefore, it stands to reason he's probably pretty strong...right? Even in the strange, half-life state we find him in, there's plenty of evidence to suggest the Soul King might just be the most monstrously powerful figure the series has ever seen.
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  • @MrTommo2304
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    • @IppoX90
      @IppoX90 Рік тому

      I think he was, there was enough to point that. To me Soul King has also been one of the most interesting things about Bleach and I honestly felt it in my stomach a little when I read more about his fate in CFYOW, the imaginary worked little too well in my mind if you know what I mean. Creepy idea.

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    • @toast3333
      @toast3333 Рік тому

      There is only one God and that’s the Heavenly Father who sent his one and only son Lord Jesus, who died for our sins on the cross and through him we are saved and gain eternal life

    • @toast3333
      @toast3333 Рік тому

      @@CaptainKotetsu There is only one God and that’s the Heavenly Father who sent his one and only son Lord Jesus, who died for our sins on the cross and through him we are saved and gain eternal life

  • @Intrepid_Explorer
    @Intrepid_Explorer Рік тому +687

    Honestly I think Gremmy's brain being another remnant of the Soul King makes a lot of sense; especially with how much CFYOW hammered home this idea. The Soul King's disembodied brain having the power to literally warp reality would align nicely with how strong he really was.

    • @qjtvaddict
      @qjtvaddict Рік тому +73

      Grammy = brain, Gerald = heart, mimihagi right hand, pernida left hand what are the legs?

    • @DarkNorthEmperor
      @DarkNorthEmperor Рік тому +176

      @@qjtvaddict Yoruichi 😉

    • @surge2443
      @surge2443 Рік тому +19

      @@DarkNorthEmperor lol

    • @aliveandwellinisrael2507
      @aliveandwellinisrael2507 Рік тому +45

      Was it ever stated directly that Yhwach gave Gremmy that power? If not, there is that possibility that he is a part of the SK. Pernida and Gerard were said to always have had their power, with the Schrift only being given to sort of acknowledge that power rather than being the source of it. Of course, there's the other reason for the Schrifts too - Yhwach giving them out allows him to take them back later along with the person's power.

    • @oghaze9318
      @oghaze9318 Рік тому +3

      @@qjtvaddict Ichigo

  • @opinionpaladin6007
    @opinionpaladin6007 Рік тому +233

    Just wanna say. I never thought the soul king's eyes were 4 irises. But now I can't unsee that and its way more unsettling than it already was

    • @scottvgamer1163
      @scottvgamer1163 Рік тому +5

      I thought so too.

    • @AJ-kt5zo
      @AJ-kt5zo Рік тому +7

      @@scottvgamer1163 Imagine him whole after=all some of the prominent races spawn from him. Shinigami ( Hollow) Quincy Fullbring_VL.

    • @Stefanthro
      @Stefanthro Рік тому +11

      The pattern that the SK's 4 irises make is used for the logos of all of the gotei divisions. i.pinimg.com/originals/cc/bd/28/ccbd28060053bac3d6dfb1b46ae2c0d7.png

    • @kool4209
      @kool4209 Рік тому +6

      i love it. its so overboard that its believable... ya know angels were once thought to be nothing but a ball filled with eyes. Just adds to his (Angelic/Demonic) nature.

  • @CaptainKotetsu
    @CaptainKotetsu Рік тому +112

    I’ll bet this guy would give an arm and a leg to keep the universe in balance……
    Oh wait

    • @jackielee297
      @jackielee297 Рік тому +8

      an equivalent exchange

    • @AJ-kt5zo
      @AJ-kt5zo Рік тому +4

      @@jackielee297 ❤

    • @severussin
      @severussin Рік тому +1

      I don’t always see, but when I do: its what you did there.

  • @aliveandwellinisrael2507
    @aliveandwellinisrael2507 Рік тому +76

    Simply put, if he wasn't so benevolent and willing to let the intelligent beings of the world live in the way they wanted to, the original 5 ancestors wouldn't have been able to do a thing to him.

  • @manuelacosta9463
    @manuelacosta9463 Рік тому +394

    Strong enough to bend reality, causing a group of comparable weaklings imprison him out of ambition and paranoia. Jury is still out as to why he didn't resist, maybe he believed he was truly helping in building a new better world, he certainly saw the future and his eventual freedom in death. Either way regardless of his omnipotence and unknowable power the Spirit King is the ultimate victim of the saga. No wonder anyone who finds out is disgusted and disturbed, developing a radically different view of Soul Society.

    • @ursaminor2732
      @ursaminor2732 Рік тому +89

      i was just explaining this to a friend yesterday, the soul society has a villainous history

    • @manuelacosta9463
      @manuelacosta9463 Рік тому +79

      @@ursaminor2732 True. And if you notice some of those who turn against and become an enemy of Soul Society had been wronged in some way by their system while others snap when they learn the awful truth.

    • @udoodkenny1530
      @udoodkenny1530 Рік тому +37

      Cant fear your own world

    • @zacksager9033
      @zacksager9033 Рік тому +14

      i think the husk is just his clone or avatar as he knew what the Shinigami were going to do so he probably went along with it and gave them what the wanted

    • @GODOFAWSOMENESS1
      @GODOFAWSOMENESS1 Рік тому +1

      @@zacksager9033 or he was bored and saw the one way he could die.

  • @Forty2de
    @Forty2de Рік тому +280

    Could it be that everything that happens to the Soul King and indeed everything that happens in Bleach is according to the Soul King's plan? That he perhaps even used the power of the Almighty to orchestrate this chain of events because it's the best possible outcome? Aizen would realize that the turns have tabled because he's a pawn in someone else's plans

    • @catbuikhang6482
      @catbuikhang6482 Рік тому +78

      In the novel CFYOW it is heavily implied that is the case as (SPOILERS IF YOU HAVENT READ THE NOVELS STOP HERE) the original 4 nobels scheme to butcher him into the pieces as he is right now but, upon being butchered, the Soul King never resist.

    • @aghlr7297
      @aghlr7297 Рік тому +3

      I love this theory

    • @aceb2660
      @aceb2660 Рік тому +5

      @@catbuikhang6482 Damn I didn't know the dude was a huge masochist too lmao

    • @dawnybreed9551
      @dawnybreed9551 Рік тому +8

      @@aceb2660 I know its a joke but its more like morbid self sacrifice but taken to the highest extreme. He's in a state of death but never truly dead until Yhwach came.

    • @omny6686
      @omny6686 Рік тому +2

      But that means Ywach is doing the same thing now?

  • @hexon336
    @hexon336 Рік тому +61

    The powers of the fullbringers also help demonstrate the sheer amount of power that the soul king possessed. We know they all possess a fragment/nail of the soul king and the most default power they gain from it is manipulating matter. This then extends to fullbringers developing their own unique powers which were all pretty crazy. You have Yukio who can create pocket dimensions where he can create his own rules, Riruka who can transfer souls into and between objects, Tsukishima and putting himself into the past, Giriko's time power though it's not explored much and also Orihime's power to reject phenomenon. All of them can be seen as godly and can basically just be a fraction of what the soul king was capable.

  • @cypherbrittainnethegodofsl4988
    @cypherbrittainnethegodofsl4988 Рік тому +175

    Prime Soul King is the strongest character in the entire series. He's an actual God that split the universe. His AP should scale higher than Yhwach who's going to destroy and create 3 realms (arguably universe sized), Dangai, Muken, and more. And Prime Soul King should be superior to Yhwach.

    • @EchidnaEsq
      @EchidnaEsq Рік тому +17

      If I remember right, The Soul King didn't split the universe; the first of what would be the nobel houses of the shinigami did, absent the Shiba along with Ichibei. The Soul King existed to keep the hollows in check when all words were one. The 4 nobel houses and Ichibei chopped up the Soul King severing his arms (which became Mimihagi and Pernida), his legs, and removing his organs (the Soul King's Heart became Gerard Valkyrie), dividing the one realm into Hueco Mundo, The World of the Living, and Soul Society, anchored all 3 to remain apart using The Soul King's mutilated corpse, and set up the cycling of souls between the realms.

    • @skippi99r32
      @skippi99r32 Рік тому +5

      Isnt muken a layer of the cell under C46 where they keep prisoners? I always though of it like a massive layered basement

    • @wanderlustwarrior
      @wanderlustwarrior Рік тому +4

      ...but can he beat Goku?

    • @simonthedigger3490
      @simonthedigger3490 Рік тому +34

      @@wanderlustwarrior prime soul king STOMPS goku.

    • @Bambietta_is_better
      @Bambietta_is_better Рік тому +3

      He was described by ichibe as being nigh-omnipotent

  • @CobbyMorales6747
    @CobbyMorales6747 Рік тому +41

    What impreses me the most is the fact that even Ywach, who we are safe to asume, has the most powerful sclaverie can't absorb all of the Soul King's reiatsu, that is, for me, the clearest sign of his overwhelming power.

    • @shadymann9468
      @shadymann9468 Рік тому +5

      Didn't he had to release the Soul King's reiatsu in the form of the black creatures?

    • @KurokamiNajimi
      @KurokamiNajimi Рік тому

      This means nothing it actually just makes both of them look weaker. Hogyoku Aizen couldn’t perceive FG Ichigo even before he transformed after he himself evolved significantly (the Kido which distorted space and time did 0 damage to Ichigo literally slapping it away yet when Aizen evolves he can at least hurt Ichigo). Everyone was sensing SK Yhwach and TZ Ichigo. Nanana could perceive Aizen’s reishi highlighting that the suit put holes in it. Most fans don’t remember/understand all this. Point I’m making is Yhwach reached a limit LONG before he became truly transcended (they’re transcended in that they’re past the limits of pure Shinigami etc but not the level where your power can’t even be perceived). This was while having not just most of SK’s power but also his own. And the excessive power that peaked out was pretty much fodder

  • @adamkowalski6061
    @adamkowalski6061 Рік тому +152

    Okay, so hear me out. There is theory.
    Perfect Almighty eyes don't have 4 but 5 irises. The eyes of soul king are empty because they are lacking iris in the middle of each eye which symbolises his "earthly" consciousness and connection to the present. He is suspended in kinda 4 dimensional void, the past and future at the same time but not exactly in the present. The remaining 1 of each of the irises detached, descended and finally became pair of hogyokus. As manifestation of the soul Kings will and his whole being in the "present" they are working behind the scenes to fulfill soul kings will by leading people's will, giving them insights and non human powers. They have found 2 beings with high potential to realize their goal so they let them be in possession of them but out of 2 finally only aizen was acting in accordance to their will. That's the reason why they both finally found their way to aizen and merged to increase power of their host and help him help them. The reason why aizen transcended is because of that. He basically used soul kings power to do that. Everything was going smoothly but at some point during fight with Ichigo aizen started losing. That's the point where hogyoku became impatient and forced their will onto aizen. His 3 eye is in fact hoguokus eye. Manifestation of hoguokus consciousness, soul kings irises. The eyes in his wings are symbolic way of showing this. Eyes on his wings are the same thing as the eyes on yhwach cloak or mimihagi. Symbolic representation of soul kings power.
    That is the reason why aizen could crush those black things made from soul kings reiatsu and mess a little with yhwachs power.
    There is a meme that everything is according to aizen plan. WRONG. Actually everything is according to soul kings plan.
    Peace.

    • @wirelessmikepc789
      @wirelessmikepc789 Рік тому +19

      This is a good theory. I like it.

    • @tylerfreeman7589
      @tylerfreeman7589 Рік тому +19

      I posted a theory on the gremmy v zaraki video about how the brain lost so abruptly. I postulated that Brain did have unimaginable power, but lacked the experience in battle (non imaginative ideas like lava) and lacked endurance from not using powers often (like a person who trains more can keep going longer). Anatomically, the brain uses lots of energy via glucose. What if, Brain in the soul king had the experience and endurance to create dimensions. But once the Soul Society split him up, and Brain gained sentience to imagine a body, it lost its endurance and experience by being locked up. Over the course of the battle Brain gained experience faster than endurance, needing more and more energy and the endurance just couldn't keep up, ultimately resulting in a stroke or aneurysm that killed Brain/Gremmy. Given enough time and training, maybe Gremmy could have had power closer to the Soul King

    • @a-blivvy-yus
      @a-blivvy-yus Рік тому +15

      So everything that happened was all according to Aizen's plan....
      ...But Aizen happening was all according to the Soul King's plan?

    • @strawhatshinigami9190
      @strawhatshinigami9190 Рік тому +7

      Pretty much what a true God does .

    • @imagingteam
      @imagingteam Рік тому +5

      Shit makes sense

  • @jackielee297
    @jackielee297 Рік тому +83

    What if Soul King could actually escape the prison the whole time but he chose not to do it because its the best thing to do for the best future outcome?

    • @a-blivvy-yus
      @a-blivvy-yus Рік тому +26

      This would make sense, and is supported by the fact that he ended up in the prison in the first place. He could be reasonably expected to have just chosen not to get "imprisoned" in the first place if that was the better choice.

    • @Hacchi_Hanif
      @Hacchi_Hanif Рік тому +17

      Actually, it is
      In the novel, Central 46 said like this "We were terrified of being left behind by the soul reaper, who kept evolving and interacting with the Human World. That's why we tried to stop their evolution by declaring our thoughts to be absolute. Really, it's laughable! Calling ourselves the eyes of the Soul King!? When even Soul King continued to accept the changing world without punishing it!"

    • @conelord1984
      @conelord1984 Рік тому +9

      Any explanation of how the hell could they imprison him wouldn't make sense. That is why the author decided not to do it, because he can't. Even the explanation that he let them do it is still a big stretch.

    • @aizeniversary756
      @aizeniversary756 Рік тому +11

      Or he just observed them from another dimansion and SK's body is just one of his pseudo avatar to descent to lower realm. To give future to those who begged for help and mercy, and he gives freedom and future to choose from.

    • @jackielee297
      @jackielee297 Рік тому +1

      @@aizeniversary756 Sounds like Eren Yeager

  • @cdmhimself2847
    @cdmhimself2847 Рік тому +174

    Personally, I do like the fact that we DON’T know everything about the Soul King. He wouldn’t be very mysterious character if we knew everything about him. But the fact that BILLIONS of people in the soul society barely know the existence of the Soul King, but us as the reader get to know enough to understand his existence makes it crazy to think about, even though the Soul King isn’t even real.

    • @cadeshanley218
      @cadeshanley218 Рік тому +9

      Kinda like the mystery surrounding The Joker's Origins.

    • @yoboyrob201
      @yoboyrob201 Рік тому +11

      I would agree, except I think this is one of those times where we should know exactly what he is. Like the series made it seem like the shinigami served the soul king. Then they made it seem like they inprisoned him. I don’t need to know exactly where he came from. But I should know something about his current situation, why aizen seemed to hate him. Like we deserved more

    • @sanchalshrirame7168
      @sanchalshrirame7168 Рік тому +3

      @@yoboyrob201 Can't Fear Your Own World, the canon sequel novel set after the war, reveals the answers to all of your questions. Although, it's your choice to get spoiled or stick to the manga.

    • @AJ-kt5zo
      @AJ-kt5zo Рік тому +1

      @@cadeshanley218 Billion of mysterious still.

    • @cadeshanley218
      @cadeshanley218 Рік тому

      @@AJ-kt5zo Or the mystery of Jack the Ripper's and the Zodiac Killer's identities.

  • @km2460
    @km2460 Рік тому +32

    We NEED to find out more about the soul king in the anime!!!

    • @IppoX90
      @IppoX90 Рік тому +8

      Not really. I think we've had quite enough info from manga and novels. I personally think that the mystery that surrounds him and that we don't know everything about him is part of the charm.

  • @ZzigZaG00NIN
    @ZzigZaG00NIN Рік тому +31

    It's so crazy how even small pieces of his body had such a huge impact on the world and the story
    Interesting to think that everything gin went through was just because of a really old mans nail 😂

  • @JohnnyYeTaecanUktena
    @JohnnyYeTaecanUktena Рік тому +21

    So what you are saying is the whole Quincy invasion and Aizen was just the Soul King's plan for suicide?

    • @mystic1360
      @mystic1360 Рік тому +18

      😂😂 IDK why I laughed at that but Damn that's dark when you sit down and really think about it, poor dude had enough and just wanted pass on even if it meant the deaths of probably thousands of people

    • @JohnnyYeTaecanUktena
      @JohnnyYeTaecanUktena Рік тому

      @@mystic1360 I would tell him to rub one off but he kinda can't with no hands and all and that is also probably cut off

  • @idkaname999
    @idkaname999 Рік тому +15

    the perfect way to demonstrate the soul kings power is through shuhei, in cfyow shuheis bankai is described as the world before the soul king created the universe and the dimensions etc, shuheis bankai is literally just everyone just existed, no one got killed and no one got let out freely theyre just there for all of eternity and the fact that the soul king had the power to create dimensions and universes in that emptiness should say something about how op he is

  • @mr.corpse3545
    @mr.corpse3545 Рік тому +13

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  • @machina5
    @machina5 Рік тому +25

    7:43 From the second he achieved The Almighty the Soul King had already experienced every possible scenario that could ever happen. His immobility is of no concern to him, he already knows everything about everything.

  • @isaaccook1890
    @isaaccook1890 Рік тому +22

    Something I brought up in another video is that even the Soul King couldn't control Hell, but Kazui was born with that ability it seems. I wonder what that implies?
    I assume that the Soul King was able to see through his son's power as well. If that's the case, Kazui reaching towards YHWCH's remnant eye and destroying/absorbing it with ease would've been the furthest into the future he saw.

  • @ericar5739
    @ericar5739 Рік тому +21

    My theory: If Stark was able to split in two, then the Soul King probably did something like that before he was attacked and imprisoned. The Soul Kings' consciousness is in another body just living/guiding until his plan ends. And it would have something to do with Urahara, shoot maybe Urahara is the diminished form or part of the Soul King with all his predictions, plans, crazy ideas, and he's just having to relearn stuff; or his son. That would be a wild considering we never really find out his full backstory.

    • @ericar5739
      @ericar5739 Рік тому +1

      @@MaxIronsThird Yes, but I am talking about before they attacked and cut him up. Like, he split himself in the same way as Stark before he was attacked and they didn't know.
      However, he knows the future so he knew where all his parts would end up so that is also a factor in him not splitting himself beforehand.

    • @MaxIronsThird
      @MaxIronsThird Рік тому

      @@ericar5739 He didn't split himself up, his body parts just gained conscious on their own.
      It wasn't a conscious thing from the Soul King, it just happened.

  • @SatoshiSosuke
    @SatoshiSosuke Рік тому +27

    I think I'd like to note to puff up the Soul King even more is that it took Aizen, a transcendent being, to destroy his excess reiatsu. It seems that to even begin to think to stand against or with the Soul King, the bare minimum is to be a transcendent being.
    Also, if CFYOW is treated as canon, I wonder how strong Matsumoto would be if she didn't get the Soul King's nail ripped out of her soul. She probably wouldn't be as crazy as his other limbs, but still, fun little what if to imagine.

    • @DragoonMS
      @DragoonMS Рік тому +5

      One possibility is that upon joining the Gotei 13, she attains Bankai while serving as Isshin's lieutenant; thus in the modern day, it would be Rangiku as Captain and Toushirou as Assistant Captain/Lieutenant...as it probably should've been, unless somehow Toushirou got his Bankai _before_ Rangiku. 🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️

    • @SatoshiSosuke
      @SatoshiSosuke Рік тому

      @@DragoonMS I mean, there are other examples of the lieutenant having Bankai alongside their Captain so wouldn't be too far of a stretch.

    • @MaxIronsThird
      @MaxIronsThird Рік тому

      She would probably stop being a weakling and get middle of the road Captain level.

    • @MaxIronsThird
      @MaxIronsThird Рік тому +2

      Soul King >>>>>> Yhwach >>> Ichigo > Aizen > Ichibei >> Kenpachi

    • @DemonGamers123
      @DemonGamers123 Рік тому

      @@MaxIronsThird ichigo = aizen

  • @abdan7262
    @abdan7262 Рік тому +3

    Bro this is one of your greatest breakdown videos ever. The research you did looks immense .

  • @OG_DSB
    @OG_DSB Рік тому +47

    What happened to Ukitake was a travesty. I would have loved for him to go out fighting against Lille with Kyoraku.
    Yhwach would have looked better just draped in darkness without all those goofy eyes. He deserved a much better looking final form.

    • @gammafrost
      @gammafrost Рік тому +11

      I agree. I was very disappointed kubo didn’t give him one fight in the entirety of the final arc. The guy deserved a win. Also I kinda wish we saw ywach use his own vollstandig

    • @antoj.5119
      @antoj.5119 Рік тому +10

      Ukitake was always one of my favorites, he was done dirty. Hopefully we'll see him fight properly in the hell arc!

    • @gammafrost
      @gammafrost Рік тому +8

      @@antoj.5119 oh for sure. We already know he’s gotten a massive amp now that he’s a resident of hell. The guy’s shikai was huge when he stabbed the 8th espada

    • @dollarcostbackpacker1226
      @dollarcostbackpacker1226 Рік тому +6

      It is a metaphor for his omnipotence....
      Also most these japanese stories take on a different meaning once you realize they are brilliant about decoding mystery babylon and repackaging it

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  • @DRV404
    @DRV404 Рік тому +6

    Always found him to be somewhat lacking in the manga, hope there's more of him in the anime. Cheers mate, always love these videos!

  • @voxval
    @voxval Рік тому +3

    hell yeah, new video!!

  • @SylverZ
    @SylverZ Рік тому +24

    Exactly what I love with your channel Tommo. I’m guessing (100% sure) that people in the comment are gonna talk about power scaling whereas Kubo doesn’t give a shit about this, sometimes western readers should think more about narrative process and what Kubo want to tell in his story with a godlike character instead of who is the strongest or who can destroy the universe. And in your videos you always tend to discuss more about what kubo want to show with a characters abilities and in this case, try to explain how important for the universe of Bleach it was to create a character with such a god figure instead of going « he is planetary level omg he can easily beat this guy and this guy » (sorry reddit user but I’m also tired to see these thread about power scaling everyday lol)
    I really enjoyed your discussion video about the Soul King! So I’m glad that you are talking more about him.

    • @blingsing5383
      @blingsing5383 Рік тому +3

      You are right but neither Kubo nor fans should be annoyed about that as kubo himself opened the door on that kind of thinking by constantly
      Talking about strength and power and not the utility of the powers themselves at least until the final arc and by then the damage is done and the reader has been conditioned to think about the power difference as the main decider in most conflicts (especially ichigos fights)

    • @severussin
      @severussin Рік тому +3

      I enjoy both the theorising around power scaling and discussing the deeper symbolism and narrative elements. Its okay to appreciate both or just one aspect.

    • @a-blivvy-yus
      @a-blivvy-yus Рік тому +1

      In power scaling discussions, there are 4 possibilities:
      1. It actually works (rare in Western stories, even moreso in anima/manga).
      2. It's screwed with by powerful but manipulative characters playing at being weak and never really showing their true power (most common Western approach).
      3. Power scaling is broken by the nature of different types of power. You get a combination of power "levels" and power "interactions" which can create bad match-ups where a "stronger" character can't beat a "weaker" one because of the nature of their abilities.
      4. Power scaling breaks as a matter of scale. When there are multiple reality-breaking (not just bending) characters, you reach a point where power scaling just puts all of them on one level, and everything else gets scaled to how close it comes to that level. Their power doesn't scale the same way any more, and the normal rules can't apply.

  • @odeiomelao
    @odeiomelao Рік тому +3

    This is one of the few channels where i actually watch the sponsor without skipping it

  • @whaaaaaaap
    @whaaaaaaap 11 місяців тому

    2k to 207k, I’m glad your UA-cam channel is doing well. Good content, keep it up.

  • @kenjithewizard4980
    @kenjithewizard4980 Рік тому +7

    Omnipotence makes it so it becomes possible to exist within realty but yet exist beyond its rules or cycles. So he's definitely still around just in his own way

  • @mikhailkinsey8050
    @mikhailkinsey8050 Рік тому +1

    I swear you come through every time Tommo 💯🔥🔥🔥

  • @robertt4116
    @robertt4116 Рік тому

    I think that little sponsorship bit was super fun, kindof a neat way to make it interesting with those questions. Well done. And I definitely followed the game channel 🤙

  • @spongynevada6
    @spongynevada6 Рік тому +1

    Why can't I get enough of your bleach discussion aaaaaahhhhhhh

  • @zacharywilson419
    @zacharywilson419 Рік тому +7

    still love the idea that gremmy is the brain of the soul king

    • @AJ-kt5zo
      @AJ-kt5zo Рік тому +1

      Me too.

    • @felipez3115
      @felipez3115 Рік тому +3

      He had just the brain powers because the intelligence was far from that, was basically a kid with a imense power.

  • @wolfwoodstyleblue3946
    @wolfwoodstyleblue3946 Рік тому +19

    i always wondered if the soul king's all mighty could see the future beyond his own death, which might explain why he wasnt tripping on being sealed and he saw his son replacing him to maintain the world.

  • @JMNovak1011
    @JMNovak1011 Рік тому +8

    Great vid! Thank you. My curiosity is how strong ichigo's potential is. Since they were considering him for a replacement for the soul King his latent abilities and potential must be off the charts. Considering that he's still a young boy through most of the series in you watch him unlock his abilities exponentially I can't imagine if he had the time of hundreds if not thousands of years how powerful he would be. I mean just through the series alone you watch him get to a point where he's able to go toe to toe with some of the strongest beings in the bleach universe.

  • @anderlightfoot2082
    @anderlightfoot2082 Рік тому +3

    Honestly these sponsor videos are more and more fun to watch every time.

  • @DyspotikOriginal
    @DyspotikOriginal Рік тому

    Tommo always bringing the goods

  • @Exciya
    @Exciya Рік тому +4

    Possible hidden detail I just thought of: the Soul King has four irises but none point to the center or act as a "central" iris, denoting acceptance and willing loss of control, liking to a blind, unmoving, unfeeling but all-knowing god imprisoned of his own volition. I feel this is purposefully chosen to symbolize that the Soul King knew all possible pasts, presents and futures like you talked about him knowing he would die by his own son maybe since his "birth".

  • @cjsmith4182
    @cjsmith4182 Рік тому +12

    What if the soul king saw his death and knew that his “son” would end up the replacement. And he was trying to save him from that life

    • @renftw7238
      @renftw7238 Рік тому +2

      I think the Soul King sacrificed himself to keep the universe balanced & I believe he saw Aizen's & Yhwach's defeat & basically the universe always staying balanced (as long as there's no new "living" Soul King. Which will probably be explored upon in the hell arc & I think Kazui will play a big part in it.

    • @kiavaxxaskew
      @kiavaxxaskew Рік тому +1

      the Soul King knew all things. Everything that transpired was according to his own will.

    • @Guilherme5988
      @Guilherme5988 Рік тому

      Perhaps there was a way to fool his All Might just like Aizen fooled Ywach. Or another flaw. Or to defend himself he would end up destroying all his creation and he could not bear that.

  • @trism56
    @trism56 Рік тому

    Ooo I liked this series of adds with the video spliced in-between

  • @ClassyGentleman69
    @ClassyGentleman69 Рік тому +10

    I always wondered if Aizen did have a bankai, and whether he was saving it for the soul king/something later on.

    • @novelnouvel
      @novelnouvel Рік тому

      he has no bankai. hia shikai ia busted enough

  • @strawberry3500
    @strawberry3500 Рік тому +2

    14:27 eyy that slide was cleaner than the soul king himself

  • @whitewolf3359
    @whitewolf3359 Рік тому +3

    I hope the anime expands more on the soul king when the anime returns .

  • @dumjokster
    @dumjokster Рік тому

    Ah yes the best bleach content you can find. My boy mrtommo2304

  • @walker1033
    @walker1033 Рік тому +3

    In some sense I guess Aizen had part of the Soul King in him since he had the the nail from Rangiku put into the Hyogoku

  • @ANDREVILAFRANCA
    @ANDREVILAFRANCA Рік тому +3

    I love Reio and I hope Kubo explores and expands upon this great character.

  • @neutral1492
    @neutral1492 Рік тому +1

    1 am? Oh Boy, time for a krabby pat... a New MrTommo Video

  • @BlameItOnYourFriend
    @BlameItOnYourFriend Рік тому +2

    Being able to see all.possible futures remind me of the ability Kwisatz Haderach that Paul and his son have in the Dune books.

  • @cardinalmcqueen7400
    @cardinalmcqueen7400 Рік тому

    Been waiting for this topic awesome work your doing. I had an idea for a video could you do a video where you discuss why was ichegos son able to destroy yuwach power

  • @AbyssWalker0
    @AbyssWalker0 Рік тому +5

    Calling it. The soul king used his almighty to curse the shinigami to hell forever.

  • @alizakhan1238
    @alizakhan1238 Рік тому +1

    I once again requested for your top 10 shikai video

  • @Nyghtking
    @Nyghtking Рік тому +3

    So I have two names you could give the soul kind based on how the sternritter liked to name things:
    A the absolute as his son was A the almighty to symbolize that he is above his son,
    or A the alpha, the vary first letter in the greek alphabet to sort of symbolize that he's where everything that happens began.
    It's also kind if implied that if his powered worked anything like his son's does then he was aware of everything that was going to happen, and chose to let it be that way, or perhaps long ago he did some actions that would have a domino effect to allow the outcome he wanted.

  • @yujiandou4658
    @yujiandou4658 Рік тому +5

    Just realized that the Soul King won the war by doing nothing. He knew Yhwach was going to lose so he didn't need to worry about anything.

  • @josuemartinez6574
    @josuemartinez6574 Рік тому +1

    You should do a review or analysis on zombie powder!

  • @symondealmeida9454
    @symondealmeida9454 Рік тому +1

    Dude your channel is so good, soooo good. it's crazy even your sponsor part is fun to watch never seen that, something most people skip, you made it a way that is enjoyable to watch
    you are the only Bleach channel I follow, I like bleach but it's definitely not my favorite anime/manga.
    and your Girlfriend or whatever she might be to you, is very lovely, you should do some videos together.
    thank you my friend your content is S tier

  • @drumanaut
    @drumanaut Рік тому +4

    In some ways the Soul King kinda reminds me of the Emperor of Man from Warhammer 40k. Impossibly strong sort of live sort of dead figure imprisoned there being a key stone of the world. A little more literal for the Soul King, but still.

  • @aldoloera1970
    @aldoloera1970 Рік тому

    Mr tommmo can we get like a tier list type of vid of the top 10 strongest in bleach including like cfyow and everything else that would be awesome

  • @nielsdegroot2997
    @nielsdegroot2997 Рік тому +3

    Even though I know that his eyes are 4 black irises with a normal-ish sclera (the white part of your eye), I can't help but see them as weird + shaped eyes.

  • @unclebrayn
    @unclebrayn Рік тому +3

    I think it would have been cool if the soul King possessed ukitake through the mimihage and had a mini fight scene with Ywach

  • @ravKenclaw
    @ravKenclaw Рік тому +3

    We're so close to TYBW ARC!

  • @rustom1981
    @rustom1981 Рік тому +5

    I think the king saw all this events that's way he didn't do anything when he's been attacked and used. I think he's still the strongest.

  • @someonez6904
    @someonez6904 Рік тому +2

    Hi Tommo, I usually skip all of the ads on UA-cam, but your ones are always so interesting and entertaining to watch. Never skipped any of your ads. Also I like the way how smooth they appear and how good they are integrated in the video itself. Thanks for the video analysis. Extremely high quality as always 🙌

  • @kaikrassin8096
    @kaikrassin8096 Рік тому +27

    I always found the Soul King to be an interesting part of the story. His existence raises so many questions. However, I personally hate the Soul King. Not narratively but rather because of what he did to the powerscaling portion of the Bleach fanbase. So much of how you interpret the scaling in the series comes down to how you view the Soul King, his role in the world of Bleach as a whole, and how you view the setting of Bleach. The reason the word "universal", even comes up in conversations is because of one time the word was mentioned when describing the Soul King.

    • @ursaminor2732
      @ursaminor2732 Рік тому +10

      the way the powerscaling community took one sentence and ran with it 🙄

    • @ABlackGuyAdept
      @ABlackGuyAdept Рік тому +7

      @@ursaminor2732 Powerscaling community is trash.

    • @simonthedigger3490
      @simonthedigger3490 Рік тому +8

      I agree in every way that the scaling community is toxic af and trash but if you didn't think the bleach cosmology wasn't universal in the first place then you're just wrong. The garganta is an endless void of space that holds all the bleach realms, dimensions, and worlds in it. I don't know if you read the novels and bleach data books either but if you did you would have an idea of the valley of screams and how it has infinite dimensions all varying in size anywhere from infinite to small pocket dimensions where new dimensions are constantly being born endlessly. Hell was stated to be an infinite multiverse with infinite layers. Now hueco Mundo and soul society are kind of vague because it's stated that soul society mirrors the world of the living and hueco Mundo has been stated to be endless. We don't know to what limit the soul society mirrors the human world but we do know it has stars and a moon so it mirrors it to the extent of galaxy level at the VERY LEAST but since logically the human world is universal in size that would logically equate the soul society to universal. That's just the tip of the iceberg there's still the dangai, the caja negacion pocket dimensions aizen created for every Espada and fraccione, yukios space time dimensions that people like to downplay but don't even know what space times are, the soul palace, the beast realm, etc. Bleach has always been universal.
      Edit: shit I forgot about muken which is in the soul society and muken is a prison which translates literally to infinite space and its been stated it stretches for infinity further proving that the soul society is universal.

    • @sanchalshrirame7168
      @sanchalshrirame7168 Рік тому +1

      @@simonthedigger3490 Hueco Mundo is not endless. If I remember correctly, somewhere it was said one can go using Shunpo/Sonido from one end of it to another in a span of 3-4 days. At the most, it is multicontinental size. 😤

    • @fdgoddemon4455
      @fdgoddemon4455 Рік тому +9

      @@sanchalshrirame7168 Hueco Mundo is an entire dimension with it's own moon, you must have read something about Las Noches and not Hueco Mundo as a whole. So to say that it's only continental when it has it's own kind of solar system is kinda wrong.

  • @qjtvaddict
    @qjtvaddict Рік тому +1

    We need to see the soul king reform from his son’s remains and legs coming back and becoming the final boss or ally against a dark god.

  • @md.tanvirhasananik3717
    @md.tanvirhasananik3717 Рік тому +4

    It seems people still don’t understand why sk would allow them to seal him.
    Lol his mere existence is threatening to the all of existence. Just look how dangerous all of his powers are, his imagination power alone is way too dangerous. He knew he would get a way more stable world where he isn't active.

  • @360milliondollars
    @360milliondollars Рік тому +1

    He probably choice a time line where his life ends because he hasn't really died just possibly able to move to a new plan... have a feeling he know it there for he allowed it to free himself to a new level.

  • @mra3076
    @mra3076 Рік тому +9

    I’m still unsure as to how the Soul King works. He is mentioned as the progenitor of the Shinigami, Quincy and Humans and that in the primordial world there was no death. Yet there were Hollows?…But Hollows only exist when Souls’ Chains of Fate become encroached for staying in one place too long AFTER death?
    But anyway he’s mentioned to have annihilated the Hollows just like a Quincy which destabilised the world…But he’s the progenitor of the Shinigami so couldn’t he use some form of Konso? Also I hate when people say he’s the first Fullbring as well…that’s dumb asf considering his death and splintering of his cells is what led to the Fullbring’s existing.
    We NEED a CFYOW adaptation with WAY MORE material added to fill in the gaps.
    EDIT: I didn’t even mention how Yhwach is supposedly his son and never explained. Yhwach was definitely born at a certain stage and so it can’t be his literal son as he’s only a few hundred years older than Haschwalth. So Yhwach is about 1,300* years old. I don’t think SK came down and just had a baby and fucked back into the Soul Palace lol.

    • @mikecash2384
      @mikecash2384 Рік тому +10

      he's only the progenitor of the quincy through Yhwach... The 5 founders AND Ichibei existed alongside the Soul King

    • @IppoX90
      @IppoX90 Рік тому +6

      You've seen Juha's backstory, yes? I guess he considers himself the son of the SK because of the powers he was born with.

    • @mra3076
      @mra3076 Рік тому

      @@mikecash2384 Bro the light novels and wikia and even Tommo in this video stated that he is the progenitor of all races and powers.

    • @mikecash2384
      @mikecash2384 Рік тому +5

      @@mra3076 the novel didnt say he was progenitor of all races...It only questions could he be the ancestor of them all.. and this was Tokinada pondering.. its only confirmed that he's related to Ywhach

    • @mra3076
      @mra3076 Рік тому

      @@mikecash2384 that is true but he is mentioned to have the abilities of a Shinigami. And that was stated as an absolute and not mere pondering by Tokinada.

  • @sa1lor_jarry139
    @sa1lor_jarry139 Рік тому +2

    Maybe the Ywach only had three irises instead of four because Ywach didn't have dominion over hell, while the soul king had dominion over all four worlds.
    Even the "cross" in the eyes of the soul king holds all four irises (worlds) in perfect balance.

  • @9thhokagegoku671
    @9thhokagegoku671 Рік тому +5

    Just his left arm was well above captain level gerard was basically immortal nd also well above captain level

  • @crackedblack1410
    @crackedblack1410 Рік тому +1

    Aizen destroying the eyes was just goo badass!!🔥🔥

  • @TymeTraveling777
    @TymeTraveling777 Рік тому +1

    I hope ywach sword sounds like a light Saber when he cuts people down

  • @Chikararyoku
    @Chikararyoku Рік тому +1

    and with all that we can see, there's still what we can't see
    the rest of his organs and his legs, likely also powerful (and Gremmy being made from his Brain and Hikone powered by it (I think))

  • @Dragon66898
    @Dragon66898 Рік тому +3

    He’s just GOD

  • @Melanco001
    @Melanco001 Рік тому +5

    IT was basically GOD no? As in the one above all...I always assumed it was the absolute everything.

    • @bazo8275
      @bazo8275 Рік тому +1

      Yh it is absolutely everything... It was stated multiple times in the novels: CFYOW implies that SK transcends everything, and was directly stated that he transcends life, death, it was also stated he is in between static and dynamic that means he is a transduality being. Also it was stated that his existence is "Absolute" and that he is older than time itself, and that he views all the events and controls them, meaning the TYBW or any event in Bleach happened because of him. He is beyond busted, its like he is the author of the verse.

  • @michaelkanneg7534
    @michaelkanneg7534 Рік тому +3

    Being killed was the only way to escape his prison, and he now resides in hell. He’ll be the main villain of the hell arc.

    • @hanshw
      @hanshw Рік тому

      That would be amazing.

  • @MashuSlyferiux
    @MashuSlyferiux Рік тому +1

    I love how you always spend like 5 minutes or sometimes even more to introduce the argument in this kind of video, but in this case only you went straight to the point
    "The Soul King. How strong is he"
    literally within 5 seconds from the start of the video :rofl:

  • @TbxB95
    @TbxB95 Рік тому +7

    The Soul King was Exodia, just that.
    Good video as always. Already the power absorbed by Yhwach and that shown by his parts (arms and heart) let us imagine at what level of power the SK was, ultra earthly. It's weird that we didn't get to see his legs too (or he would really have become Exodia), while it's amazing how CFYOW has expanded with so many notions about him (I like the implied possibility that Gremmy's brain was another remnant of him as well). Still I have two doubts left, the first one is how Yhwach found Gerard and Pernida, and why the identified themselves as quincies (even if a grudge against the shinigami would be legit). The next one is in the novel, more than a doubt it is a dark point, how did the ancestors of the Soul Society have managed to defeat and seal him? Surely those five must have been tremendously broken, but if we think about the level that the complete SK should have, it would be immense, not that easily beatable (let's see final Yhwach, as an example).

  • @Myako
    @Myako Рік тому +1

    He was so strong that some chumps from 4 "Noble Families" shredded him to bits. Literally.

  • @afwdawdawdwadw1595
    @afwdawdawdwadw1595 Рік тому +1

    the Soul king was said to have split the original Chaotic universe into 3 so by Lore he is at least a Multi Galaxy to Universe level Character.

  • @lalmc6656
    @lalmc6656 Рік тому +1

    good video
    a top of your favorite female characters

  • @Manuel-gt9jf
    @Manuel-gt9jf Рік тому

    Wish we got more backstory for soul king how he created everything how he let himself get captured or maybe we will get more of him on the hell arc

  • @circle4962
    @circle4962 Рік тому +7

    What's cool is what the soul king, in all his power, never did. He never created the world but rather changed it. He never destroyed the world but rather is integral to it's continuation. He never killed himself to end his entrapment despite likely being able to when trapped. He never had anyone worship him as a god despite being able to.
    Overall one stand up dude

  • @neko-chan5593
    @neko-chan5593 Рік тому

    Another thing I theorize is if you look at the soul king both he’s two arms are missing and they became shingami and Quincy but notice he’s also doesn’t have any legs I think he’s legs almost have significance and in the hell verse is probably where we’re going to find out….

  • @ImmaniGregory
    @ImmaniGregory Рік тому

    Soul king content is like water after being lost in a desert! I drink this up all day!! 🤣

  • @HATSUCHl
    @HATSUCHl Рік тому

    I like to sit back with my feet up. While drinking alcohol, and indulging in your videos. c:

  • @derupyer7253
    @derupyer7253 Рік тому +8

    Also, Gremmy was supposed to be Soul King's Brain, so that's another top tier powerful character that it's influenced by the Soul King.

    • @DarkNorthEmperor
      @DarkNorthEmperor Рік тому

      @@coyoted9251 probably CFYOW

    • @DarkNorthEmperor
      @DarkNorthEmperor Рік тому

      @@coyoted9251 with how powerful Komoe turned out to be, there's nothing that can oppose the hypothesis.

    • @joseph1350
      @joseph1350 Рік тому

      @@coyoted9251 it’s mainly just a popular theory not confirmed or anything

  • @hunters266
    @hunters266 Рік тому

    Very wholesome sponer

  • @Shimigani1701
    @Shimigani1701 Рік тому

    Thanks

  • @The_Bashar
    @The_Bashar Рік тому

    I think you meant that, Mimihagi tried to stop the worlds from collapsing in on themselves! 🧐

  • @Javixk17
    @Javixk17 Рік тому +1

    How the HELL did you manage to spell Pernidas name with no hesitation at all so quickly

  • @OverkillSamurai
    @OverkillSamurai Рік тому

    new headcanon: Hueco Mundo's sand is made of pulverized hollow masks

  • @johnnynieves6362
    @johnnynieves6362 Рік тому +3

    One of the biggest plot holes in the 1000 year blood war is how can he can see all possible futures but not see Tsukashima coming to fix ichigos blade

    • @shadymann9468
      @shadymann9468 Рік тому

      Yhwach doesn't have the Almighty always on we see this when Ichigo and Orihime fight him and he takes the Gran Rey Getsuga and only then he activates the Almighty we know this because the eyes appear and then he breaks Ichigo's Bankai, beats him and goes away.

    • @johnnynieves6362
      @johnnynieves6362 Рік тому +1

      @@shadymann9468 Still doesn't change the fact that it's a Plot hole when he activated it the 1st time he said I could see all possible futures right or wrong? So then he should have seen TSukashima coming to fix his blade because at that point it hadn't happened yet so it was a future event

    • @shadymann9468
      @shadymann9468 Рік тому

      @@johnnynieves6362 all possible futures that doesn't mean that it wasn't certain Tsukishima would come in clutch that's common sense.

    • @johnnynieves6362
      @johnnynieves6362 Рік тому

      @@shadymann9468 wtf are you talking about it legit says he can see ALL POSSIBLE FUTURES how the fuck would he not see him coming in clutch ?

    • @shadymann9468
      @shadymann9468 Рік тому

      @@johnnynieves6362 are you dumb? It's ALL possible futures let me dumb it down for you, I have an unlimited number of candy in that unlimited number of candy there is alot of snickers but just because there are alot of snickers doesn't mean that there isn't alot of other candy that aren't snickers yes there would be a countless number of futures where Tsukishima comes but there are also countless futures where he doesn't show up.

  • @2Amit9
    @2Amit9 Рік тому +1

    Great video soul king was a very strong

  • @tracemcclain32391
    @tracemcclain32391 Рік тому +1

    A comment fit for a king!!

  • @zerobarge718
    @zerobarge718 Рік тому +16

    I would personally love to see a playable interpretation of the Soul King in a game. (Of course, with very close supervision from Kubo) Even if it was just Bleach: Brave Souls.

  • @dan240393
    @dan240393 Рік тому +1

    _Head Canon!_
    The son is blinded by the scale of the forest, and walks straight into a tree. The father avoids every tree, but is blind to the majesty of the forest.
    Yhwach sees an infinite sea of futures, that he can wander between at will. This leads to him feeling like he is a pseudo-divine being, who can force reality into manifesting his will. But, the reason for the many futures is that his foresight is more flawed than he knows. His foresight has immense breadth, but lacks depth; so he can see every possible future, but his powers of prediction are poor. He fails to predict the outcome of his battle with Yamamoto and he fails again with Aizen, Uryuu and Ichigo. The feeling of randomness, and the illusion of control, makes him obsessed with his own will. He thrashes and bites and struggles every step of the way to his fate, but is powerless to change it.
    The Soul King shows pretty much no will of his own. His foresight is so perfect, that he can predict exactly which future will occur. Even if it shifts or twists, he can pick the correct new timeline instantly. At any given moment he knows exactly what the future holds; and if that future happens to change, the previous timeline becomes inconceivable to his perfect foresight. He sees a single, unbroken timeline. Which leaves no space for a concept like choice. He has the foresight and the might to actually do everything that Yhwach thinks he can. But he is simply unaware that he can choose to do so. So he floats through the world simply doing what he foresees, until he sees himself sealed in a giant crystal. After which his actions are removed from the equation, and he just sits there, and waits for his destined death.