Oh no! I'm hated by the people who strapped a bomb to my neck and sent heavily armed thugs to kill me for seeking help from someone capable of disarming it. However will I live with myself?
this + also after doing Veronica's personal quest if you side with the Followers of the Apocalypse. After those i knew what to do next The House Always Wins!
@@simbachvazo6530 A fairy tale that HE'S sitting literally sitting on the brotherhood base all of this time You wouldn't probably believe it too if someone came up to you and said that the Taliban is living in the house right next to yours
A Taliban base being next door to me in the US is a lot different to a Ranger being in an area near where the Brotherhood was, and being inside a military grade bunker they are well known to occupy frequently.
@@simbachvazo6530 the brotherhood was only known to operate there by other members of the brotherhood, the only people in the mojave with any knowledge of the brotherhood's presence were Veronica and Mr. House
This makes even more sense when you realize rangers likely also have experience deactivating bomb collars of escaped legion slaves so this isn’t just an ass pull. God this game is amazing. Edit: lmao why is everyone arguing fallout nv vs fallout 4 in the replies?
I love games where companions can die. I still remember in Fallout 4 when a suicider supermutant smacked Cait in the face with a mininuke while I was sprinting away. A few seconds later, she got back up like nothing had ever happened.
"POWDER GANGERS could be here" he thought, "I've never been in this valley before. There could be POWDER GANGERS anywhere." The cool wind felt good against his bare face. "I HATE POWDER GANGERS" he thought. Johnny Guitar reverberated his entire radio, making it pulsate even as the 9 cap wine circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) fear of gangers after dark. "With a gun, you can go anywhere you want" he said to himself, out loud.
I imagine Dobson talking to his superiors. "Hey, there's a Brotherhood of Steel base in Hidden Valley." "Ranger, do you have any proof?" _Dobson drops a charred BoS helmet on the desk_ "That proof enough?"
Dobson: Bro I’m being fr this captive has 4 boS dog tags Ranger: Oh no not those Heavy Energy weapon lunitics Courier: Oh no no don’t worry I have back up already Boys go ahead and drop down [Enclave shows up]
It strikes me now that I've barely ever held the slave collar thing against the brotherhood despite doing far worse to other for far less. I mean christ, I locked Elijah in a coffin and listened to him keel over for doing EXACTLY the same thing but never the brotherhood. Fallout 3 really gave me Stockholm syndrome I guess.
imo it's really different, Elijah collars you to actually enslave you with no warning, the brotherood in fnv does it for self defense, when YOU show up in THEIR bunker, not some desolate old man's refuge
@@maximusd26 thing is, even if you tell them that you wondered in and promise them to GTFO and never come back they still collar you, it wasn't exactly in self defense.
I always wipe them out- I either refuse to wear the collar or go in with Veronica but end up killing them after they go too far during her quest. EDIT: holy shit guys blow it out your ass 🙄
_"A Brotherhood base? Here?? Do you have a shred of evidence to back up those claims?"_ Nah you're right, I forget it's normal for boulders to have vault doors and operational air vents to be on the ground a mere quarter mile from HELIOS. Silly me
Courier: The Brotherhood of Steel sent me after you. McNamara: He immediately betrayed us. Taggart, you may detonate at will. Taggart: It’s uh, still warming up sir. McNamara: Warming up? A remote detonated explosive *is. Warming. Up???* Taggart: Just a second more... aaaand just a tippy tap tip tap tap tippy tap more..... McNamara: The ranger just detached the collar.
this bugged me too, i will let this slide as some scribe not setting the bomb collar right and had to recalibrate the receiver or something, or some had to take a piss break at the worst time and McNamara didn't know how to operate bomb collars because the tech is beneath him so he yelled at some paladins to rush in and take care of the situation
He's got a bunch of weird mods on and an Anti-Materiel Rifle with explosive rounds but Boone is rockin' 0 armor. It's weird what looks unnatural after you've played the game a million times. Wouldn't you at least give him a metal armor it's too heavy to carry (if you care, cuz I haven't used carryweight restrictions in Bethesda games since 2011.)
I never understood why you guys are so upset about the collar. McNamara lays it out pretty simply, that the knowledge of the bunker itself is too valuable to just be given loosely to some total random. If someone barged into your hideout and was capable of telling people who want you to die for their own benefit, would you let them go for zero reason?
I originally thought this quest was broken in my recent playthrough. I always remember Dobson being in his little bunker, not outside. I guess he just wonders outside during the day
My first 2 or 3 years playing the game I never encountered Dobson, I went to his base, wrecked his camp, and reported back to the brotherhood, never once saw or spoke to the man, was pretty shocked in my 10th or so play through when I entered his bunker and he was asleep down there. Like a “holy shit, he is real!” Moment
Dobson: "We oughta' make that mailman a damn Colonel, he just found us the location of where the rest of the Brotherhood's hold up!" NCR Senator: "Best we can do is the Golden Branch."
Maybe the Brotherhood was listening on mic and thought the Ranger wouldn't know how to take the collar off. Then when he did they sent the squad out to get the two of you.
Probably the best explanation for why they didn't detonate it the moment you start ratting on them. If the Ranger fails to disarm it and gets both of you killed then that's two birds with one stone. Any follow up by the NCR would see it as an unfortunate accident from trying to free a Legion slave.
IIRC They actually say they were listening on mic if you convince the Ranger to leave peacefully. Most slave collars have a delay; the Brotherhood may have just muted the annoying beeping (how considerate).
@The Arbiteress The joke I was making was in reference to Boone constantly saying some variation of “bitter springs was a tragedy.” Which could be considered humorous as the original commenter made reference to Boone constantly saying something about his dead wife.
Would have been cool if they made that encounter into a quest where you and Dobson report the BoS base and get orders to wipe them out with a detachment of rangers. (or even the Misfits) After your group inevitably gets wiped out, the BoS would send hit squads after you that would spawn all across the wastes.
@@bug_stonkin_wess1221 Just make sure to have the strong back perk haha. And let's be honest, by mid to late game, most of us have already bankrupted the casinos and have more money than we even need.
“But we can never have good things with bugthesda can we” If you go to any fallout 3 or 4 videos about a quest and someone says something like your comment talking about a change to the game, someone will say what I put in quotations. But because this is new Vegas everyone lets it slide.
@@user-wi4cs8sg8q NV had the shortest development and better writing of any 3D Fallout, so you can get why people aren’t wasting their breath over a decade old game that’s better than what passes for Fallout today
@@keabonhall2436 that’s true that they had little time but that doesn’t mean it is free from criticism. But according to you people should never criticize it because the developers had less than a good amount of time. You also should realize it was a disaster in release, it’s only thanks to a shit ton of updates (which gave them more time) that the game is even worth playing years later. It is a great game, but I’m tired of the constant praise it gets even if something doesn’t make sense or is buggy, if something doesn’t make sense in fallout 3 then people will hammer it.
Fun fact if u and the ranger survive the attack u can actually walk through the BoS bunker without anyone shooting u. Like the main BoS quest fails but u can wonder around the bunker and everything scot free
See here's what I don't get, if you convince the ranger to leave peacefully McNamara will say he was listening through the built in microphone so how are you able to tell the ranger. If you pointed or something and stayed silent that would make a lot more sense.
That's not something player character is aware at this point. Also being silent with ranger trying to figure out why some dumb wastelander is trying to point at rocks would make him to make some vocal remarks suspicious to McNamara
Mind, the BOS is already watching and prepared to kill the ranger, as one of the Paladins points, but they prefer not to because a living ranger who reports there is nothing to see means less chance of future rangers coming around and causing problems. By sending you, the BOS hopes you will speed up the ranger leaving unaware of the BOS presence. However, they are still prepared to kill you both the moment they think they are going to be exposed, which is why the moment you fail to convince the Ranger to leave, they come to kill you both. In theory, while you might try to avoid vocalizing the BOS presence, the BOS are not just listening, but also watching, but McNamara doesn't feel necessary to point that out. The main thing is that, as he says, they will know if you betray them, and sure enough, once you do, in comes four BOS with big weapons!
Why trigger it and only kill you, when after the conversation the ranger also knows about their existence in the valley and would ultimately lead to a full patrol sweeping through the bunkers finding out about the hidden base, it only makes sense McNamara would have his men at stand-by just in case the Courier rats.
The only explanation to me is that the collar's detonator wasn't actually working due to an error when you were talking to the ranger, and as soon as they see him trying to take off the collar they tried multiple times to detonate it. When it wouldn't blow and they knew they where compromised they sent the paladins in to kill you. It took Elijah a while to make the same technology work exactly how he wanted it to, and even then it wasn't perfect because external radio signals could set the collars off. I think that's the reason why dead money collars take a while to detonate, it was a work around to still have the collars detonate when he wants them to but not so quickly that if you walked slightly too close to a radio you would immediately die.
Literally did this my first playthrough and saved the Ranger. No way i was going to work with people who actively strapped a bomb around my neck for no other reason than "he found our bunker and wants to speak to us"
@@canardposeur3430 this is such a bad take. The BOS doesn’t levy taxes because it does no actual work to maintain society, thus doesn’t need to tax. The legion also has taxes, and it also is heavily dependent on slave labor, which is both not morally good and is not economically sustainable. House would create a state where there are no taxes, but he also would have a monopoly on basically all production, so everyone ends up giving their money to him anyway. Yes Man may or may not levy taxes, but that just depends on the political outlook of whoever controls him at that point.
@@samreid6010 Mr House loooooves taxes. He takes 50% of every bit of profit done on the strip by non-casinos. Probably less for casinos but still a huge amount. The brotherhood also basically make a toll system to fleece people of any tech they think is 'dangerous' in independent vegas endings even if you work with them, ungrateful pricks
something people forget is that the BoS in fallout 3 was a faction that separated from the main branch and tried to help the capital wasteland. im sure this is more in lines of how the real brotherhood would act
I mean, the BOS in Fallout 3 literally charge exorbitant rates for bottled water when all water is purified post-game. They don't even need the caps, they operate perfectly fine as a military unit. What the fuck are they spending the money on?
Those bomb collars have mics attached to them, do they not? At least I believe some of them do. Yeah, this was a panic response for sure. And as unlikable as the brotherhood can be in NV, it wasn't an irrational response.
5 guys in full power armor against some random waster. They thought they were tough enough to win. I'd be that confident as the player if I had power armor and was fighting some random raider as well...
I remember stumbling into this while being extremely low level. Managed to barely scrape by by filling myself up with drugs and tossing all my explosives and then some at them.
Just when you think you know everything about a game. I'm honestly surprised I never knew about this option. So, wait, do the NCR come and clean out the bunker? Or is it just one of those "It's going to happen, but not right now, and the Brotherhood hate for it", kind of scenarios?
Its honestly kinda bold of this guy to point his rifle at some random wastelander, then immediately trying to brush it off as a joke; as if the average wastelander is gonna be totally, one-hundred percent cool with it
I can imagine the reason why the bomb collar did not go off is because the detonator was synced to the wrong collar. Somewhere at the same time in the bunker a scribe is doing some maintenance on various gear when the bomb collar he is holding starts to beep.
I think the most messed up thing I did was helping the Brotherhood replace parts for their bunker's air filtration system and destroying them later on. I figured a quick and sudden death was mercy because the NCR would just massacre them like animals. Veronica is unsuspected what I did and I feel bad. It kinda reminds me of the Sith in Star Wars how Master and Apprentice will betray each other and control each other's future.
Thing is that you can get a BoS/NCR alliance that ends up being super beneficial for both sides as the Mojave Brotherhood becomes far more liberal on its original mission.
@@shadekerensky3691 Their only purpose is to shun outsiders and preserve military tech and hardware for themselves. That also means they will kill civilians and potentially cutting off NCR supply routes to the Mojave. It's best for them to be destroyed.
@@shadekerensky3691Simply kicking the can down the road. They’re too stubborn. The Mojave branch is doomed unless the NCR or literally every other group is destroyed.
@@ShadowCompany01 I disagree, McNamara is no fool unlike Hardin, he knows that allying with NCR is the only option that means his Brotherhood survives in the long term and I can even see them going in a similar direction as Lyons' BoS.
Damn. As awesome as hardcore mode seems with your followers dying, I would be reloading my saves every like 20 seconds LOL. Maybe one day I can dedicate myself to continue a world where Veronica gets killed by a cazador trying to catch up to me
I do reload everytime they die, but since I dont want to be reloading all the time, it forces me to be more careful and tactical in combat instead of just throwing an immortal at the enemy and expecting them to deal with it. I have to cover my friends and keep them healed, and have them wait away from battles that are too dangerous for them. Feels very much like an "I have to face them alone" moment, its nice
In rare occasions I even keep the doomed timeline, if the death had some narrative significance. The first time I completed the Van Graff questline it was because Cass got killed by fiends when I was taking her to them without fast travelling, so I could just tell them she died without having to lie
When I did this, he was in the bunker. The doors opened and the brotherhood showed up. Seconds later an explosion killed the ranger and I (which I assume was the collar) even after he removed it.
I didnt even know Veronica was BOS when I first went there. That alone saved their asses on most of my playthroughs, up until i did her quest. Then it was just a matter of doing an inside job an burying them in concrete
The fact that despite he is hostile at first , he still helps you out by removing your slave collar is just so good Dude is a Ranger and has probably done this plenty of times before with escaped slaves from Caesar's Legion
I never got this dialogue as I wipe out the brotherhood everytime I meet them in every play through. I just can’t bring myself to not shoot them on site
You can also settle this a different way and instead form that truce between both factions, if you want more allies, peace, and another faction to join you in the final battle at the dam. But, this is an alternate way to deal with them, too, if you're that pro-NCR. Lol.
See this is an example of good writing. Brotherhood had the collar on you. They were listening to your conversation and the moment you went rogue, they had a a kill team sent to neutralize you.
@@oddersisadog the ranger would have ran off back to base if the collar blew up.. maybe letting him disarm it bought the paladins enough time to close in on the ranger and player without either of them running away before getting to them? could have been a tactical decision to not blow the collar
@@DrDiode-cj6fs Blowing the collar though would have made it seem like just an escaped legion slave or something. To the brass they do a sweep for legion and once none are found they're good despite what an old ranger might claim about "the Brotherhood".
I've played through this game so many times and I am so unfamiliar with this. I always make peace with the brotherhood and use the Yes Man ending. Still so much in this game I haven't seen.
New Vegas Brotherhood is 10/10 the most useless, obnoxious iteration of their faction in the history of the franchise. They can rot in their hole until the end of days.
Finally picked up fallout 4 a week ago and I'm playing on that hardcore survival mode. So used to dying in like 1-3 hits, it's weird to see people just tanking shots haha
Bethesda has like a fetish or something for the player becoming the leader of whatever guild/group they are interested you either become the leader or rank just below the leader or they don’t have any quests
Yeah its pretty uninspired quest design. Been that way since morrowind too. I really wish they would have learned from fallout 1/2 and new vegas but they didn't they just thought referencing fallout 1 and 2 a bunch was what fans of the original games wanted.
@@honeybadger6275 however, in Morrowind, it took a shitton of time and money to become guild leader. In Skyrim, you go from newbie to guild master within five quests or so
there use to be a glitch with the anti material rifle that if you used incendiary rounds and vats someone then backed out of it they would catch on fire still and you could kill anyone like that and not get in trouble for it either
Funny thing is I googled how to get to them because I really liked the BoS, but I went the crater way and they killed me instantly, I didn’t realize but now I know, it’s because I was wearing NCR armor, then I didn’t know and went to 188 trading post to get Veronica, then got in through that.
Brotherhood: Attaches explosive collar to Courier and threatens to detonate it if the Courier doesn't remove an innocent ranger by any means necessary Courier: Tells the ranger about the Brotherhood and the explosive collar Ranger: Doesn't 100% believe them, but is willing to hear them out and saves the Courier's life regardless Brotherhood: Sends in a team of paladins to kill them both Courier and Ranger: Defend themselves Brotherhood: YOU'VE LEFT A POOR IMPRESSION ON THE COMMUNITY!!! Yeah, thank you very much, Brotherhood. Believe me, the feeling's mutual -.-
@@Angrade I love that perk! But it’s got a wide spread and I’m afraid of accidentally catching Dobson in it. Also it can be a little different in stairwells where I usually lay that trap :)
Oh no! I'm hated by the people who strapped a bomb to my neck and sent heavily armed thugs to kill me for seeking help from someone capable of disarming it. However will I live with myself?
Lousy techno-fetishists
My thoughts exactly.
You will have to get power armoir training much later in the game when you are too powerful to actully need it.
@@therainenetwork3510 I get the training from the remnants since they aren't paranoid tech hoarders.
@@therainenetwork3510 I prefer light and medium armor anyway.
"No-one's seen 'em for years"
*Whole ass platoon literally behind you*
*squad
@@MomJeans1738 Seems more like a fireteam.
Was like 4 people, so a fireteam
Probably spawn from behind the ridge the second he deactivates the collar and the conversation ends.
Squad
The BoS slapping a collar on me on my first playthrough pretty much ensured that I ended up killing them on almost _every_ playthrough
Yeah I wouldn’t like them putting an explosive collar on me ether lol
Yeah I have never kept them alive as well
this + also after doing Veronica's personal quest if you side with the Followers of the Apocalypse. After those i knew what to do next
The House Always Wins!
I was going to join them in my second playthrough. Then I got stuck on Fallout 4
The House Always Wins
*kills four Paladins, experiences the death of a 1st Recon sniper*
"Okay so you weren't kidding"
Very nonchalant about all that huh Dobson
He's probably just in shock. A fairy tale came to life before his eyes, after all. A fairy tale with serious firepower.
Its not so much a fairy tale, the NCR has fought wars with the Brotherhood on a few occasions already.
@@simbachvazo6530 A fairy tale that HE'S sitting literally sitting on the brotherhood base all of this time
You wouldn't probably believe it too if someone came up to you and said that the Taliban is living in the house right next to yours
A Taliban base being next door to me in the US is a lot different to a Ranger being in an area near where the Brotherhood was, and being inside a military grade bunker they are well known to occupy frequently.
@@simbachvazo6530 the brotherhood was only known to operate there by other members of the brotherhood, the only people in the mojave with any knowledge of the brotherhood's presence were Veronica and Mr. House
This makes even more sense when you realize rangers likely also have experience deactivating bomb collars of escaped legion slaves so this isn’t just an ass pull. God this game is amazing.
Edit: lmao why is everyone arguing fallout nv vs fallout 4 in the replies?
Or you know... Also in the fact that the pre NCR rangers were an anti slavery organization
The legion slave collars are just strips of leather they don't actually use the bomb ones.
@@edgytarian3332 they very much do use the bomb ones. In cottonwood cove you see a family of slaves wearing them.
Or both
@@AmalekIsComing Yeah
"Fuck them Paladins"
-Colonel Autumn.
You tell 'em, Colonel.
One Enclave, One America. 🇺🇸
YoU aGaIn!
God bless the Enclave
*Make Enclave Great Again !!!*
The fact that Boone died in order for you to be free really makes his death hit hard in this vid.
Until you hit load game and go through it again without him dying XD
Boone is a waste of oxygen. Way better this way. Atleast he had use.
I love games where companions can die. I still remember in Fallout 4 when a suicider supermutant smacked Cait in the face with a mininuke while I was sprinting away. A few seconds later, she got back up like nothing had ever happened.
@@QualityPen Feels like 75% of named characters in Fallout 4 are invincible, shit is stupid
@@zxylo786
Ave, true to Ceasar
"POWDER GANGERS could be here" he thought, "I've never been in this valley before. There could be POWDER GANGERS anywhere." The cool wind felt good against his bare face. "I HATE POWDER GANGERS" he thought. Johnny Guitar reverberated his entire radio, making it pulsate even as the 9 cap wine circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) fear of gangers after dark. "With a gun, you can go anywhere you want" he said to himself, out loud.
Very bssed
Based and dare I say redpilled
The Ranger was a POWDER GANGGER too
Top tier post.
Fuckin' nice.
Wait... You can you rat them out?! I thought for sure that collar was going to explode!
Yeah- it definitely feels like schmuck bait
True there is a microphone attached to those collars.
@@mccool132 yup, which is why the brotherhood showed up
@@backgroundcharacter1071 doesn't explain why they didn't remote detonate the collar though.
They were probably going to but he beat them to it taking it off
I imagine Dobson talking to his superiors.
"Hey, there's a Brotherhood of Steel base in Hidden Valley."
"Ranger, do you have any proof?"
_Dobson drops a charred BoS helmet on the desk_
"That proof enough?"
Dobson: Bro I’m being fr this captive has 4 boS dog tags
Ranger: Oh no not those Heavy Energy weapon lunitics
Courier: Oh no no don’t worry I have back up already Boys go ahead and drop down [Enclave shows up]
Okay…epic
Bro is getting a promotion, bro's getting that black armor early frfr.
"Fair enough. We'll send 5 or 6 soldiers to deal with them
@@Dark_Courier Having the Enclave Remnants No-Russian Hidden Valley sounds euphoric.
It strikes me now that I've barely ever held the slave collar thing against the brotherhood despite doing far worse to other for far less. I mean christ, I locked Elijah in a coffin and listened to him keel over for doing EXACTLY the same thing but never the brotherhood.
Fallout 3 really gave me Stockholm syndrome I guess.
To be fair Elijah didn’t just put a slave collar on you. He also wanted to wipe the whole Mojave clean.
@@Jade0603 *Wipe the slate clean*
imo it's really different, Elijah collars you to actually enslave you with no warning, the brotherood in fnv does it for self defense, when YOU show up in THEIR bunker, not some desolate old man's refuge
@@maximusd26 thing is, even if you tell them that you wondered in and promise them to GTFO and never come back they still collar you, it wasn't exactly in self defense.
I always wipe them out- I either refuse to wear the collar or go in with Veronica but end up killing them after they go too far during her quest.
EDIT: holy shit guys blow it out your ass 🙄
_"A Brotherhood base? Here?? Do you have a shred of evidence to back up those claims?"_
Nah you're right, I forget it's normal for boulders to have vault doors and operational air vents to be on the ground a mere quarter mile from HELIOS. Silly me
Well if you put it like that...
A brotherhood base? Here? Localized entirely within your kitchen??....may I see it?
@@bmkorean1 In this kind of weather, in this part of the Mojave, located entirely within this valley!
Dont they have the desert storm thing camouflaging everything
@@PRubin-rh4sr Only when patrols are active
Courier: The Brotherhood of Steel sent me after you.
McNamara: He immediately betrayed us. Taggart, you may detonate at will.
Taggart: It’s uh, still warming up sir.
McNamara: Warming up? A remote detonated explosive *is. Warming. Up???*
Taggart: Just a second more... aaaand just a tippy tap tip tap tap tippy tap more.....
McNamara: The ranger just detached the collar.
They probably waited to see if he was going to kill the ranger
hahaha. Megamind refrence
Idk why but I read McNamara’s lines with Elijah’s voice in my head, lol.
this bugged me too, i will let this slide as some scribe not setting the bomb collar right and had to recalibrate the receiver or something, or some had to take a piss break at the worst time and McNamara didn't know how to operate bomb collars because the tech is beneath him so he yelled at some paladins to rush in and take care of the situation
@@BadVoodo0 Maybe, just maybe the swiftness of the ranger is still talked about today.
can't believe you let boon die to a bunch of nerds in battery operated pajamas
He's got a bunch of weird mods on and an Anti-Materiel Rifle with explosive rounds but Boone is rockin' 0 armor. It's weird what looks unnatural after you've played the game a million times. Wouldn't you at least give him a metal armor it's too heavy to carry (if you care, cuz I haven't used carryweight restrictions in Bethesda games since 2011.)
Lmao yea his build is funny clearly doesn’t care about his companions. I do no save scum challenges so giving your companions stims armor is essential
More like,you let Boone die to a bunch of scavver in a tin can
Boone had nothing left to live for. Mopey fuck, let him rot
"Battery Operated Pajamas" XD
I'm pretty sure Veronica is a companion so you don't immediately murder the BOS when you meet them.
If you take Veronica to the bunker with you, you can skip the bomb collared part of the quest.
If not for Veronica, I would wipe out the BoS in every single playthrough.
I never understood why you guys are so upset about the collar. McNamara lays it out pretty simply, that the knowledge of the bunker itself is too valuable to just be given loosely to some total random. If someone barged into your hideout and was capable of telling people who want you to die for their own benefit, would you let them go for zero reason?
@@euclidismybro1451 I have a lot of ideas and none of them include a bomb collar...
@@CourierFreakingSix That's nice. You aren't the leader of a faction, responsible for the lives of the people there. McNamara is.
I originally thought this quest was broken in my recent playthrough. I always remember Dobson being in his little bunker, not outside. I guess he just wonders outside during the day
I think it depends on how far in the main quests you are
@@fuzzychunkymunky2858 I completed all the casino quests after yes man gave them to me, so possibly
I think he's in his bunker if you've already dealt with the power gangers. I don't know for certain tho
He should always venture out at around 9:00 AM.
My first 2 or 3 years playing the game I never encountered Dobson, I went to his base, wrecked his camp, and reported back to the brotherhood, never once saw or spoke to the man, was pretty shocked in my 10th or so play through when I entered his bunker and he was asleep down there.
Like a “holy shit, he is real!” Moment
Dobson: "We oughta' make that mailman a damn Colonel, he just found us the location of where the rest of the Brotherhood's hold up!"
NCR Senator: "Best we can do is the Golden Branch."
Maybe the Brotherhood was listening on mic and thought the Ranger wouldn't know how to take the collar off. Then when he did they sent the squad out to get the two of you.
You'd be right. They can't let a rat escape, or let the Ranger put the call out, or the NCR would storm the place and finish their presence for good.
Probably the best explanation for why they didn't detonate it the moment you start ratting on them. If the Ranger fails to disarm it and gets both of you killed then that's two birds with one stone. Any follow up by the NCR would see it as an unfortunate accident from trying to free a Legion slave.
IIRC They actually say they were listening on mic if you convince the Ranger to leave peacefully. Most slave collars have a delay; the Brotherhood may have just muted the annoying beeping (how considerate).
There's an even simpler solution, take a chainsaw to the Brotherhood. After all, chainsaws don't care how armoured their target is.
bad idea, use the pusle gun instead. it ignores armor too but you won't get shredded to pieces by BOS railguns as much.
@@sneedfeedandseed2410 Live large. Use both.
On max difficulty the best weapon to use is either mercy or the holorifle
Even simpler. Use your fists.
Mercy with pulse grenade ammo
Boone died! Now who will bore us without cease about his wife being dead?!
Look no further than your Fo4 character
@@gipsydangeramericasmonster9632 damn, true
Excuse you! Bitter Springs was a tragedy. 🤦♂️😂😂
Yeah but he’s still pretty chill I don’t mind him
@The Arbiteress The joke I was making was in reference to Boone constantly saying some variation of “bitter springs was a tragedy.”
Which could be considered humorous as the original commenter made reference to Boone constantly saying something about his dead wife.
Would have been cool if they made that encounter into a quest where you and Dobson report the BoS base and get orders to wipe them out with a detachment of rangers. (or even the Misfits) After your group inevitably gets wiped out, the BoS would send hit squads after you that would spawn all across the wastes.
Then I could get THREE sources of constant high-tier loot to sell for effectively infinite money!
@@bug_stonkin_wess1221 Just make sure to have the strong back perk haha. And let's be honest, by mid to late game, most of us have already bankrupted the casinos and have more money than we even need.
“But we can never have good things with bugthesda can we”
If you go to any fallout 3 or 4 videos about a quest and someone says something like your comment talking about a change to the game, someone will say what I put in quotations. But because this is new Vegas everyone lets it slide.
@@user-wi4cs8sg8q NV had the shortest development and better writing of any 3D Fallout, so you can get why people aren’t wasting their breath over a decade old game that’s better than what passes for Fallout today
@@keabonhall2436 that’s true that they had little time but that doesn’t mean it is free from criticism. But according to you people should never criticize it because the developers had less than a good amount of time. You also should realize it was a disaster in release, it’s only thanks to a shit ton of updates (which gave them more time) that the game is even worth playing years later. It is a great game, but I’m tired of the constant praise it gets even if something doesn’t make sense or is buggy, if something doesn’t make sense in fallout 3 then people will hammer it.
Fun fact if u and the ranger survive the attack u can actually walk through the BoS bunker without anyone shooting u. Like the main BoS quest fails but u can wonder around the bunker and everything scot free
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@@certifiedmug3087 k grammar police
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How? You get "hated" reputation for doing this quest like this.
See here's what I don't get, if you convince the ranger to leave peacefully McNamara will say he was listening through the built in microphone so how are you able to tell the ranger. If you pointed or something and stayed silent that would make a lot more sense.
That's not something player character is aware at this point. Also being silent with ranger trying to figure out why some dumb wastelander is trying to point at rocks would make him to make some vocal remarks suspicious to McNamara
Mind, the BOS is already watching and prepared to kill the ranger, as one of the Paladins points, but they prefer not to because a living ranger who reports there is nothing to see means less chance of future rangers coming around and causing problems. By sending you, the BOS hopes you will speed up the ranger leaving unaware of the BOS presence. However, they are still prepared to kill you both the moment they think they are going to be exposed, which is why the moment you fail to convince the Ranger to leave, they come to kill you both.
In theory, while you might try to avoid vocalizing the BOS presence, the BOS are not just listening, but also watching, but McNamara doesn't feel necessary to point that out. The main thing is that, as he says, they will know if you betray them, and sure enough, once you do, in comes four BOS with big weapons!
@@genericpersonx333 yeah but the problem is, Mcnamera should've triggered the collar as soon as you tell the ranger about the base
Why trigger it and only kill you, when after the conversation the ranger also knows about their existence in the valley and would ultimately lead to a full patrol sweeping through the bunkers finding out about the hidden base, it only makes sense McNamara would have his men at stand-by just in case the Courier rats.
The only explanation to me is that the collar's detonator wasn't actually working due to an error when you were talking to the ranger, and as soon as they see him trying to take off the collar they tried multiple times to detonate it. When it wouldn't blow and they knew they where compromised they sent the paladins in to kill you.
It took Elijah a while to make the same technology work exactly how he wanted it to, and even then it wasn't perfect because external radio signals could set the collars off. I think that's the reason why dead money collars take a while to detonate, it was a work around to still have the collars detonate when he wants them to but not so quickly that if you walked slightly too close to a radio you would immediately die.
I usually do my best to keep this Ranger alive. He seems like a good man.
he even look better with black skin
@@eaedazdeazdss8184 wut
Literally did this my first playthrough and saved the Ranger. No way i was going to work with people who actively strapped a bomb around my neck for no other reason than "he found our bunker and wants to speak to us"
in twelve years of playing this, i never knew this was an option. i just assumed the collar would go off as soon as you mention the brotherhood
Quick saves can make all your terrible life choices have zero consequences, so go ahead! Be a terrible person!
@@CampanellaJ Console players don’t have that luxury for 3 or NV.
Poor Boone
You'd think you would get NCR reputation for taking this route lol.
You can see the popup for NCR rep appear after he finishes talking to Dobson.
@@justanothercommenter5835 that was brotherhood rep
18 months bro. Now everything takes like 6 years and it's also kinda terrible.
@@floo1465 nah. Look carefully. The dialogue even hints at you getting a good word in for the NCR.
@@floo1465the pop up was BoS,the corner message was NCR positive fame
I like how the Brotherhood politely waited for you to finish your conversation before they opened fire.
Honestly not hard to root for the NCR when one of the best companions on their side and they play nice cop most of the time
I dont think you've ever actually played fallout new vegas
If the NCR was that good, why do they force people to pay TAXES ? I don't remember the BoS trying to tax people, showing that they are better.
@@canardposeur3430 this is such a bad take. The BOS doesn’t levy taxes because it does no actual work to maintain society, thus doesn’t need to tax. The legion also has taxes, and it also is heavily dependent on slave labor, which is both not morally good and is not economically sustainable. House would create a state where there are no taxes, but he also would have a monopoly on basically all production, so everyone ends up giving their money to him anyway. Yes Man may or may not levy taxes, but that just depends on the political outlook of whoever controls him at that point.
@@samreid6010 Mr House loooooves taxes. He takes 50% of every bit of profit done on the strip by non-casinos. Probably less for casinos but still a huge amount. The brotherhood also basically make a toll system to fleece people of any tech they think is 'dangerous' in independent vegas endings even if you work with them, ungrateful pricks
@@samreid6010 chill out dude, it was a reference to clanky4 video about the frontier mod
something people forget is that the BoS in fallout 3 was a faction that separated from the main branch and tried to help the capital wasteland. im sure this is more in lines of how the real brotherhood would act
It would be but they don't have any way to contact the rest of the Brotherhood and they aren't going outside to take tech away from people
I mean, the BOS in Fallout 3 literally charge exorbitant rates for bottled water when all water is purified post-game.
They don't even need the caps, they operate perfectly fine as a military unit. What the fuck are they spending the money on?
@@unusualusername8847 blackjack, booze, and hookers.
@@unusualusername8847 Jet
@@unusualusername8847 @Unusual Username doesn't aqua pura cost 6 caps? doesn't really sound like they're extorting anyone, given that dirty costs 10
I like how the Brotherhood attacks you in the open, in broad daylight, while being paranoid over hiding.
Guess they had no other choice.
Those bomb collars have mics attached to them, do they not? At least I believe some of them do. Yeah, this was a panic response for sure. And as unlikable as the brotherhood can be in NV, it wasn't an irrational response.
5 guys in full power armor against some random waster. They thought they were tough enough to win. I'd be that confident as the player if I had power armor and was fighting some random raider as well...
There's something so funny about his flat "Well shit i guess you were right" that's so funny to me.
I always found it real nice that he helped you out all the same.
ANOTHER detail I didnt know you could do... man this game just keeps on giving
[Boone Has Died]
Me: *LOAD BACK*
I've been playing this game on and off for about a decade and still see new shit I never knew about on a regular basis
xd on and off for decade? you sure weird.
The way Boone was walking with his gun he was saying I got this
I remember stumbling into this while being extremely low level. Managed to barely scrape by by filling myself up with drugs and tossing all my explosives and then some at them.
a powder ganger after all
i literally just replayed this mission last night🤣🤣
This entire turn of events is majestic. I didn't even know it was thing even after 10 years of playing.
Just when you think you know everything about a game. I'm honestly surprised I never knew about this option. So, wait, do the NCR come and clean out the bunker? Or is it just one of those "It's going to happen, but not right now, and the Brotherhood hate for it", kind of scenarios?
Second option is correct
I know im late but Colonel Moore tells you to kill em all if i recall
This literally never happens to me because I always show up with Veronica and skip this part entirely
Wow he unlocked the collar for you, that Ranger is a homie.
amazing. I honestly thought i knew every nook and cranny about this game so it warms to heart to see i did not.
I learned this the first time I ever heard of the brotherhood by watching the yogscast
Its honestly kinda bold of this guy to point his rifle at some random wastelander, then immediately trying to brush it off as a joke; as if the average wastelander is gonna be totally, one-hundred percent cool with it
I can imagine the reason why the bomb collar did not go off is because the detonator was synced to the wrong collar. Somewhere at the same time in the bunker a scribe is doing some maintenance on various gear when the bomb collar he is holding starts to beep.
I think the most messed up thing I did was helping the Brotherhood replace parts for their bunker's air filtration system and destroying them later on. I figured a quick and sudden death was mercy because the NCR would just massacre them like animals. Veronica is unsuspected what I did and I feel bad. It kinda reminds me of the Sith in Star Wars how Master and Apprentice will betray each other and control each other's future.
Thing is that you can get a BoS/NCR alliance that ends up being super beneficial for both sides as the Mojave Brotherhood becomes far more liberal on its original mission.
@@shadekerensky3691 Their only purpose is to shun outsiders and preserve military tech and hardware for themselves. That also means they will kill civilians and potentially cutting off NCR supply routes to the Mojave. It's best for them to be destroyed.
@@shadekerensky3691Simply kicking the can down the road. They’re too stubborn. The Mojave branch is doomed unless the NCR or literally every other group is destroyed.
@@ShadowCompany01 I disagree, McNamara is no fool unlike Hardin, he knows that allying with NCR is the only option that means his Brotherhood survives in the long term and I can even see them going in a similar direction as Lyons' BoS.
Damn. As awesome as hardcore mode seems with your followers dying, I would be reloading my saves every like 20 seconds LOL. Maybe one day I can dedicate myself to continue a world where Veronica gets killed by a cazador trying to catch up to me
Yup! My gang has immortality in the way my character has immortality, just reload the save!
I do reload everytime they die, but since I dont want to be reloading all the time, it forces me to be more careful and tactical in combat instead of just throwing an immortal at the enemy and expecting them to deal with it. I have to cover my friends and keep them healed, and have them wait away from battles that are too dangerous for them. Feels very much like an "I have to face them alone" moment, its nice
In rare occasions I even keep the doomed timeline, if the death had some narrative significance. The first time I completed the Van Graff questline it was because Cass got killed by fiends when I was taking her to them without fast travelling, so I could just tell them she died without having to lie
You use a mod to make sure your follower can't die in a hardcore mode, i'm tired save scumming just to make sure they're alive
Spoilers:he never did prevail over Veronica's death which led him to never play Hardcore and even talk it about.
the mods you have added made Nv a new goddamn experience
I learn something new everyday. And like half the time, it's about New Vegas.
i wish there was a mission with the ncr where you clear out the bunker like they did with the king's school.
In all my time playing this, i never knew the ncr could take off the collar.
When I did this, he was in the bunker. The doors opened and the brotherhood showed up. Seconds later an explosion killed the ranger and I (which I assume was the collar) even after he removed it.
2:03 Mmmmm crispy. ;) Also his Ooooooooo death scream was quite funny :P
Finally a video with reworked textures that actually looks great and doesn't blind me with over exposured ENBs every damn second
“Boone has died”
That’s actually quite fitting.
I knew this quest but never tried it, the more you know
"Ok, so you weren't kidding."
Idk why but this dialogue is top tier
Yeah i did that the first time, those brotherhood goons killed me so I decided to play along.
I didnt even know Veronica was BOS when I first went there. That alone saved their asses on most of my playthroughs, up until i did her quest. Then it was just a matter of doing an inside job an burying them in concrete
Doesn't Veronica straight up tells you taht she is part of the BoS?
this is why i love new vegas, played the game like 100 times and i always find something new or some dialog i missed
I did this in my playthough once dobson survived and all I had was this machine
You're laughing, Boone just got killed by the Brotherhood of Steel, and you're laughing?
You know, these days I always go with Veronica. I never even thought you could rat out the Brotherhood to that guy.
Dude, I reap so much havoc in all of my Fallout playthroughs. No faction is safe from my mischief.
I've never done this. I like the brotherhood too much! But it's awesome that you can do that.
Poor ol Boone. I guess he knew the risks though...
me evil cannibal build: nothing like stocking up on canned meats.
Based and mutant pilled
@@slitherthewizardofwither6959 whatever that means might as well say: #gobblymookers!
The fact that despite he is hostile at first , he still helps you out by removing your slave collar is just so good
Dude is a Ranger and has probably done this plenty of times before with escaped slaves from Caesar's Legion
0:47 "Do you have a single fact to back that up?"
You showed a lot of restraint in the last few seconds of the video.
I never got this dialogue as I wipe out the brotherhood everytime I meet them in every play through. I just can’t bring myself to not shoot them on site
based
I haven’t played New Vegas for years, but this updated version looks a lot cleaner and the NPC is different.
he's really gotta use the hard R like that?
'Powder gangeR!'
You can also settle this a different way and instead form that truce between both factions, if you want more allies, peace, and another faction to join you in the final battle at the dam. But, this is an alternate way to deal with them, too, if you're that pro-NCR. Lol.
See this is an example of good writing. Brotherhood had the collar on you. They were listening to your conversation and the moment you went rogue, they had a a kill team sent to neutralize you.
i thought they woulda just blown up the collar as soon as they were ratted out
@@DrDiode-cj6fs maybe they had to relay the message to the overseer to get permission on before they had the chance the guy disarmed it.
@@oddersisadog the ranger would have ran off back to base if the collar blew up.. maybe letting him disarm it bought the paladins enough time to close in on the ranger and player without either of them running away before getting to them? could have been a tactical decision to not blow the collar
@@DrDiode-cj6fs Blowing the collar though would have made it seem like just an escaped legion slave or something. To the brass they do a sweep for legion and once none are found they're good despite what an old ranger might claim about "the Brotherhood".
@@RKNGL i feel a sweep would still bring unwanted attention to the area by NCR which is exactly what the brotherhood don't want right
Damnnn...
Too many details i even did not encounter like this one.
I've played through this game so many times and I am so unfamiliar with this. I always make peace with the brotherhood and use the Yes Man ending. Still so much in this game I haven't seen.
New Vegas Brotherhood is 10/10 the most useless, obnoxious iteration of their faction in the history of the franchise. They can rot in their hole until the end of days.
I don't know. Fallout 4's BOS is pretty bad too. But to their credit, they can at least eliminate the Institute as a threat to the Commonwealth.
Finally picked up fallout 4 a week ago and I'm playing on that hardcore survival mode. So used to dying in like 1-3 hits, it's weird to see people just tanking shots haha
So many good things about this video. Mainly how the BoS gets exposed and how Boone dies.
Always thought talking to the ranger and not completing the quest their way would make it explode.
Seems I was wrong.
Bethesda has like a fetish or something for the player becoming the leader of whatever guild/group they are interested you either become the leader or rank just below the leader or they don’t have any quests
Yeah its pretty uninspired quest design. Been that way since morrowind too. I really wish they would have learned from fallout 1/2 and new vegas but they didn't they just thought referencing fallout 1 and 2 a bunch was what fans of the original games wanted.
@@honeybadger6275 however, in Morrowind, it took a shitton of time and money to become guild leader. In Skyrim, you go from newbie to guild master within five quests or so
Interesting vid. However, it pains me to see companions die
This one interaction alone has convinced to go back and play the one I missed
Perfectly balanced, first white Powder Gang gate Guard, then black Dobson
RIP BOONE 😢
there use to be a glitch with the anti material rifle that if you used incendiary rounds and vats someone then backed out of it they would catch on fire still and you could kill anyone like that and not get in trouble for it either
Thats wild
I’ve been playing this game for years and I’ve never had them place a bomb collar.
Funny thing is I googled how to get to them because I really liked the BoS, but I went the crater way and they killed me instantly, I didn’t realize but now I know, it’s because I was wearing NCR armor, then I didn’t know and went to 188 trading post to get Veronica, then got in through that.
BoS are just guys in t-45 fursuits
Cant believe Boone got turned into a good NCR soldier
Brotherhood: Attaches explosive collar to Courier and threatens to detonate it if the Courier doesn't remove an innocent ranger by any means necessary
Courier: Tells the ranger about the Brotherhood and the explosive collar
Ranger: Doesn't 100% believe them, but is willing to hear them out and saves the Courier's life regardless
Brotherhood: Sends in a team of paladins to kill them both
Courier and Ranger: Defend themselves
Brotherhood: YOU'VE LEFT A POOR IMPRESSION ON THE COMMUNITY!!!
Yeah, thank you very much, Brotherhood. Believe me, the feeling's mutual -.-
My question is why you thought sneaking into a hidden military base was a good idea?
@@Idazmi7 its a random bunker in the wasteland.
“Boone has died” made me sad.
The Brotherhood never put a collar on me. Didn't know that was a thing.
If you stumble into their base without Veronica, you get collared.
"Boone has died"
Casually keeps on shooting like nothing happened
Woahh what quest is this from? Never seen it before and I've done like 5 playthroughs
The quest the BOS gives you when you find their bunker
without veronica
You literally need to interact with the BoS in every possible side(house,WC,ncr,legion)
You’re saying you haven’t found the BOS in 5 playthroughs?
@@frazza5503 maybe they had veronica with them?
Nice fighting. Whenever I take this option I just leave some high-level mines (usually pulse) behind me ready for their approach.
Have you tried the cluster mines from the mad bomber perk?
@@Angrade I love that perk! But it’s got a wide spread and I’m afraid of accidentally catching Dobson in it. Also it can be a little different in stairwells where I usually lay that trap :)
"No one's seen them for years."
Radiant dialogue immediately after eradicating BoS: "Is it me, or has the Brotherhood stopped engaging us?"