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Excellent beginners guide. This is a pile of stuff, i would never have known. Im still a bit intimidated though. This is seriously a deep experience. Im glad games like this exist...
My problem exactly even after watching this. I get people like dice rolls etc, but damn I miss how other games simplify these things for the player. I am still enjoying the game ofc and I guess this will be great for classic dnd fans from what I hear. 3.5 or something.
Totally feel ya. If you think this game is a bit of a headache/too intimidating and if you like Tactical games, try out XCOM 2. Its Sci-fi but has similar things like builds,customization,etc but its a lot less deep when it comes to builds and no dice system. Still very fun tho. You can play that first while still figuring Pathfinder out.
I need to back track more. The more I play then the more ez the game gets. It is too ez now and I will have to up the difficulty of the game does not get harder
@@dormanthero Thats actually good to hear. I bet youll be able to set the difficulty settings to challenge you, but knowing that it comes together for you as you are playing.....that means the game make sense, and the learning curve is fair. Thanks!
I definitely wouldn't start with Unfair. I am a long time Pathfinder player, but not a minmax/munchkin at all, and I am barely squeaking through on Core. (And using internet builds for a couple of the more crap NPC's)
I've found an easy way to deal with encumbrance is to bring an animal companion. Many classes have archetypes that include animal companions, my personal favorite is the sylvan sorcerer. The animal's strength will be considered for total party encumbrance and many of the animals to choose from have very high strength ability scores.
Magus was un-fun on RTWP mode, but Turn-based made me fall in love with the class again (in Kingmaker). For "run #1" in WotR, though, I went vanilla - Rogue (Knifemaster)!
@@frederickcoen7862 Magus requires quite a lot of micro-managing so yeah Turn Based makes it much better. I really hope sometime they use 2E system, it'd make it all much easier to get into.
I can't imagine trying to play this game without having already played the Pathfinder tabletop RPG or something similar for years. It's so much to just get tossed into.
@@RavarSeer if you have any questions about game mechanics or anything, I'll do my best to answer. I've played Pathfinder 1st edition (which the game is about 95% based on) for 10 or 11 years, and even I think the leveling up process is badly explained.
I’ve had kingmaker in my steam library for almost a year lol. Every time I think I want to start playing the overwhelming amount of information just has me switch to something easier like back to warframe lol
Played 2 years of 5e and NWN when I was growing upso all of whats mentioned here is at least familiar, some differences, but yeah, I think it'd be a nightmare if you're new to the genre.
I read through the classes on a skim, checked the ones I wasn't familiar with from the tabletop version, then decided to play a NE halfling arcanist intending to go down the lich path. Though the legend path and going oracle or cleric could be awesome too.
Great Guide and have to agree about avoiding multiclass until you know what you are doing. In Kingmaker I multiclassed on my first character because I wanted to get Mystic Theurge later since the discription sounded so cool. Needless to say my PC ended up totally useless most of the time and had to be carried by the rest of the party.
I have two extra tips. 1:Even if you prefer turn-based mode it helps to initiate combat in active mode with multiple ranged attacks before switching. 2: Pets get Feats, skills and equipment too. A mount and its rider with the Outflank Feat can benefit at the same time. Pets are also best for the perception skill.
As someone who absolutely loved Kingmaker without 100% understanding the calculations that were going on behind the scenes, having it all laid out really highlights the Cones-iness of the game. xD "Remember, it's all about the Cones."
Yes it's so much like that made-up satirical game from a show you watched and not like the actual ttrpg it's based on...
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Oh no, gotta finish my masters degree in Classic RPG character building before I even think about starting this game lmao. But for real, druid is ALWAYS the answer
Backed the game in kickstarter so definitely playing it, only thing I need to know on day 1 is if it's polished and relatively bug free. Kingmaker's launch was a bit rough but they had it improved pretty quickly.
It seems like they reused a lot of assets from the previous game, hopefully this time the launch won't be much of a disaster. My only wish is them fixing the random stutters from Kingmaker, but most Unity games have that stuttering issue.
This is indeed a concern yes. I really really hope its a lot more bug free than pathfinder kingmaker at launch. I expect some bugs here and there of course. Might wait a few days to see what the story is. If I have to I will wait a month or so for them to iron out some kinks.
I think a good beginner's tip for the early part of the game is to give both Seelah and Camellia each a level of Rowdy at 2nd level. This gives them sneak-attack and vital-strike bonus damage that works on both ranged and melee attacks. So, Camellia becomes a ranged assassin that ends up one-shot-killing one enemy before each combat even starts, and then usually goes first in the surprise round and kills another. During melee, her Rapier starts doing 10 to 20 damage normally instead of only 4 or 5. Meanwhile, Seelah becomes an Uber-tank that does 40 to 50 damage per hit with the magic Glaive you find early on, and once in a while that Glaive will cause multiple enemies to flee after she takes out the first one. It's wonderful! There is no cost to using Vital Strike and getting a huge damage boost unless you are normally doing multiple attacks per round. During the first few levels when most characters are only hitting once per round anyway, Vital Strike is well worth a 1 level dip into Rowdy for almost everyone that you get to join your party at that point. It makes potentially difficult early battles, like the water elemental in the Maze, into very short and easy affairs. If you have multiple ranged vital-strike characters in your party, then the elemental generally doesn't make it across the room to attack anyone unless you boost the difficulty way up. I would not do the Rowdy level for Lann, however, as he is so devastating with a composite longbow as a pure Monk, I think it is foolish to multiclass him during the early levels. This also applies to any two-weapon-fighting builds you may be working on. Vital Strike ends up being a wasted ability fairly quickly in those builds.
I'm intimidated by this game. I want to play but it seems difficult. I have a hard time with BG3 sometimes because I get lazy. The layers of this game is just amazing, and seems like if you have the patience to learn it, you will be rewarded.
dont be intimidated. Put it on easy if you like and dive in, gradually open the game up to yourself, try out whatever looks cool, have fun, as you get to understand it bit by bit you will want more of a challenge. so rise the difficulty as you see fit. When you really get your teeth into it you will be in love. Its extremely customizable. I for example love a good challenge but hate big crits. I hate when I do everything well but due to a random dice roll a boss gets a lucky crit and one shots me for massive damage so instead you can turn crit damage down, this means both you and enemies crits will play a smaller roll in deciding the victor of combat thus (for me) reducing frustration. Of course this also means making super dependent crit builds is less viable too lol
@@Terron29 I'm definitely going to buy it and give it a try. There's something about easy mode that bothers me but if I have to I have to. The game really does look amazing and I'm looking for a new game to get into. This might be the perfect one and how do you know unless you try it?
@@gordong11 exactly, dont even worry about easy mode man, this is kinda a long term game. think of easy as simply tutorial, the moment you grasp all the basics even just the basics you can pop it up a notch :)
I'm a self taught computer person who grew up with rotary dial phones the complexity of dungeons and dragons along with other game specific rules make this a very hard learning curve for this old dog. Having said that these guides do help in that I'm made aware of rules, situations and builds that I really don't understand in some cases until I get the explanation. So a long winded thanks.
The key to all crpgs is to learn the basics of DnD and how dice rolls and armour class works. Whether its Baldurs Gate or Pathfinder or a game that uses its own system like divinity or pillars of eternity the key to being able to play these games is to understand the basic mechanics work, I recommend mortismals guide to Pathfinder: Wotr you can apply what he teaches there in so many games
Played beta. Soo epic, overdose of epicness. Can’t wait for the full release to play my Paladin-Deliverer built around shield bash!! P.S: Barbarian is an obsolete class, when there is a BloodRager(specifically Primalist) P.P.S: Daeran is a primary companion for healing, his whole setup is about healing.
Oh noes the legendary shield-bashing, 70 ac having, 10 attacks per round (with avg. hit of 50+) deliveradin? D: Why would you cheese the poor game like that?
@@SoraJustAGuy Well, I'm currently on my last Kingmaker playthrough as Arcane Trickster, those 800+ hellfire rays surely slap, one would expect that MYTHIC Trickster would slap even harder - although I'd still go with either Lich or Angel/Demon for flavour, since nothing survives Trickster's burst either way :D I guess Tricksters are tricky to balance :')
Buffing is definitely important. Knowing that the same bonus usually doesn't stack(e.g. if you have two sources of a luck bonus then only the highest is applied) with some exceptions(dodge bonuses) and what the durations are spells. Spells like Heroism grant a +2 morale bonus for combat capability and lasts 10 minutes/caster level so it's a good pick for your front liners and can be cast at the start of a map(just be wary of losing time to failed traversal checks).
many say "don't be intimidated, just set it on easy", but i can only reccommend NOT to set it on "easy" at the beginning. make your mistakes early or you will misskill so badly (because "easy") that you only notice later and run into a wall. you will want to have an option for easy gameplay later in the game when you don't want to redo stuff anymore and just get the story done. if you don't know the system you will be badly misskilled anyways, you need some resistance from the game early to notice when you do terribly wrong so you can correct it before you are 50h into the game. so, set it on normal, take the auto-stuff from the game, and when it gets hard towards the last 3rd of the game, set it on easy to get through. Divinity is another franchise that had the same problem, they had to patch in an even easier option later because of this.
This is the classic/traditional gameplay (albeit highly evolved) that I was hoping for and expecting from BALDUR'S GATE III. I didn't like the DIVINITY:OS 3 approach to BG3. This is the kind of gameplay/interface that BG3 should have had.
Can someone help me out please. I loved the game up until you got to the map bit and you had to have armies - (the combat mini games for the armies are terrible!) ...and now I'm stuck as I can't go anywhere, my shitty armies get wiped by the demons and my party gets destroyed wherever I go, I'm supposed to make my way to Dresden but the game tells me I don't know the way there and there doesn't seem to be anywhere to go, I feel like giving up on it. I can't find any information only on this, It was the same with the Kingmaker, I loved the first bit... Until I actually became a baron and then I was like ahhhh this sucks, I wanted a CRPG not a management game. This game would have been way more fun without kingdom management / army bullshit. I'm just gonna go play Deadfire again.
Great beginners guide. I will definitely say that the auto level will jump on Toughness almost always. Avoid this feat. There are normally 6 better feats for the character you are playing. Toughness is just a waste. It has been since PF 1st edition tabletop and has not been improved.
I recommend new players check out all the great guides you guys produce! Much better than the prebuilt as you also explain “why” to taking certain feats etc.. !! I can’t wait to play the game with your builds, like I do all CRPGs!!
I'm getting the game tomorrow (PS4) and I'm excited. Brand new to D&D/Pathfinder. I think my first character will be a long spear guy that pokes things until they die from it.
I liked Kingmaker, especially once the definitive edition came out. It seems Owlcat Games learned their lessons from Kingmaker, the beta of WoTR was fairly bug free during my playthroughs. If I have one gripe, I wish I could make my ENTIRE party from the get go (or during an NG+ type scenario), I also had that pet peeve in Kingmaker. EDIT: Kingmaker was a TIME SINK. Between 2 playthroughs I did around 240 ish hours, & this was BEFORE the DLCs came into the picture. I expect WoTR to also have a lot of content before their DLCs come into things.
Most *Clerics* do NOT need to prepare cure spells! They can sacrifice any spell and convert it to a Cure of that level. This feature is badly named officially "Spontaneous Casting" (very confusing name). Mind you, when you play a class that has that feature, you will notice...
Great hints, but can anyone just explain how to actually play the game? The help is poor. I've played Baldur's gate and BG3 but the controls of this game, like who's turn is it, make no sense. Can anyone explain?
Good stuff. Thanks for posting. I started off, playing a paladin, but switched over to inquisitor to add some abilities and a force animal companion. Still deciding where to go on my party companions.
This is a very complex game and the first time it can be very overwhelming. We have a wiki and a lot of guides to help but if you’re in it for the story don’t shy from lowering difficulty. You can always replay for harder combat later or change it back up, but if you find yourself struggling it’s best to take it one fight at a time
I have a tip, not sure if this is part of pathfinder rules or a bug in kingmaker though. In turn based mode if you right click your mouse you can switch between different moving options, if you select movement only it makes it easy to move your max distance and still get your action. Anyway if you select the smallest movement of 5 you can actually move away from close combat without provoking attacks from enemies. this was huge for me in kingmaker as any ranged or caster caught in melee could just move away, then attack or cast without any risk of attacks of opportunity
What I found to be very important when playing on core difficulty and above is crowd control. The game will throw masses of mobs at you and you simply won't be able to cope unless you can take some out of the fight for several rounds. There's a variety of crowd control spells in the game. I find that I am using the pit/grease spell quite allot as many of the monsters seem to be immune to sleeping/dazing spells. This is why I would recommend taking a spellcaster (ideally a wizard/sorcerer), at least on your first playthrough anyway. As far as difficulty level is concerned, core/hard seem to be the most balanced once you know what you are doing. Unfair is really just there for those who have mastered the game to the point where it's no longer a challenge. I wouldn't recommend tat unless you want to spend hours getting past a single quest lol
Always enjoy your content, would love to see deep dives into class guides like melee lich characters or whatever i dont know but keep up the great work
In Kingmaker I liked the Magus class, but my last run turned into my favorite run by using a Cleric since the Clerics in game are...questionable. But when the Rogue-Like Dungeon came out (which was an amazing edition and feature), I kinda fell in love with the Slayer. Maybe due to the constant dungeon combat, the Slayer quickly became a staple class whenever I ventured forth in there.
@@kross_apollo1833 im a wizard spell caster,i got seelah for tank,ember,soliel,lann / i had to turn down to casual just for the boss fights,the trash are pretty easy but the bosses are broken...
Do you have some news about the secret Devil mythic path by any chance? I will start with a lawful evil tiefling Eldritch Scion and get to Aeon so it can open the Devil one, hopefully.
It’s about buffing allies. Gives various boosts and bonuses to your allies. But you also lose your Aeon gazes when you switch to Devil, and to be honest, Aeon gazes just seem flat out better to me than the stuff the devil hands out. …though it’s admittedly hilarious to turn your companions into ticking bombs that explode when they are no longer useful to you and take out all enemies around them. The devil can steal some of the demon and angel mythic stuff, which has interesting applications. The main problem I see, though, is that you get the devil 5/6ths into the game, so making it work with your build might be tricky, especially if you relied on Aeon stuff beforehand.
@@zerg0s So you managed to get to devil in the beta? Cause nobody talks about it. I thought it was kept for the release. Interesting insight, thanks. Personally I am not interested in min maxing. It's more as a potential fun path to take maybe.
A good intro for those who have never played. Well done. I play Pathfinder tabletop with friends for about 8 years now. I played Kingmaker in live campaign and the Owlcat game. Just starting WotR. Your clear and concise and this should help new players
The second part did have the advantage of an extended beta period, and a lot of bugs have been stomped out. Though from what I know, there still are a bunch of them around.
the only real tip i could give to beginers is "dont be afraid to level down the difficulty" this game is insanely hard on normal... especialy on early levels.
really nice game, i only played 4-5h on core difficulty and this is my forst crpg, so its quiet challenging, there are just 4 things i really dont like and i dont understand why the mechanic is like that: 1. miss chances... why not just lower dmg numers, its not fun to miss almost every single attack in the beginning of the game, i hope this changes in the mid game, its a completly boring mechanic. 2.rest... rest takes too long and i always need to klick 2x on it to fully heal my grp... unnescessary, annoying and boring. 3. luck.... i dont like the dice system, in a lot of fight i win the fight faster is i just switch to real time and try it 4-5 times, instead of 1-2 really long turn based fights... 4. Buffs.... Buffs should only be allowed in fights, so i dont have to buff my party before every single battle, also totally boring and annoying mechanic. i really like the mechanic mostly, but some mechanics are just shit. exploiding a RPG is not fun if it depends on luck.
I wouldn't put Cavalier as a beginner class because you have to spec you pet and a lot of your power relies mainly on charging and you have combos with skald etc. Any other class you mention where you can put in melee and forget about them (Fighter, Barbarian, Slayer, Ranger, etc.) go for it. Pretty neat video nonetheless.
formula here, formula there and another formula under the table, fuck that, charge goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr to be honest i never played real dnd or pathfinder and i know shit about the ruleset, i just played so much of these games that i have the feel of what to do and what to advance in terms of skill etc, of course it won't be perfect build but i can manage core difficulty pretty well
I love this guy. He sounds like someone I'd get along with, because I'm ok hanging with geniuses! If his video game work ever dries up, (can't imagine that...) he could make a killing in ASMR
Playing this now, damn its a thick game. First level up i spent around an hour reading through all the other classes i could choose. For my main character! There were 4 other level ups to do.
13:28 Yeah, there's a major problem with search feature for the Wiki of this game, in that, as of 11th March 2023, it doesn't work, i.e. searching for any relevant words entered in the search field produces zero results -- nor even a response.
One thing that wasn't mentioned here: Wands and scrolls can be used by classes that can normally cast those spells without putting ranks into "Use Magic Device", and UMD can be used to allow classes that have no spellcasting to use those items!
Thank you for the guide. I want to love this game. But after every 30 minutes with it I get confused and bored and just end up running back to D:OS2 for the rest of my evenings. Am I lame? Or is Divinity just 'that' much better?
Seems overwhelming, but it has been so long since ive played a dnd type of rpg that i wanna try to get into it. Coming on ps plus extra so i will download soon.😊
THE SAME BONUS DOESN'T STACK. Not always, like with bonus to dodge AC which is the exception, but this is so important to know. I wasted so much equipment and potential in Kingmaker, because I didn't understand this for a long time. An example: A +2 armor bonus to AC and a +3 armor bonus to AC doesn't stack. Meaning you only get the +3. That also means, that something like the spell "Mage Armor" is useless on armored companions.
video games are also not perfect so some bonuses may stack with what could be considered bugs I remember in kingmaker frightful presence with legendary proportions, not all but many bonuses stacked
lol the only table top games i grew up with are monopoly and playing cards. Heard about dungeons and dragon few times when I've had a few years on my seat times with vidya gaems, but never knew what it was about, thought it was one of those rpg genre. In fact I honestly just found out about what it's all about a few years ago, well into my adulthood.
complicated means more choice, which is why I like it in 5e, it's a question of "can I make this kind of character" in pf1 and pf2, it's "how can I make this kind of character"
Yeah, a lot of people think that 5e is too simplistic and streamlined to allow them to build the characters they have in their head. Though, personally, I like both 5e and Pathfinder. They do different things.
@@zerg0s I’ve personally played a lot more Pathfinder than I have 5e but I don’t mind the trade offs they made with 5e as it makes it a lot easier to introduce people to the game. I feel like a lot of the time when people want to put together complex characters they are at the point where they are playing some form of homebrew with quite a few house rules anyways.
@@neilg5579 I'm not talking about character creation, I'm talking about actual 3.5 combat mechanics. 3.5 is cumbersome and there's too many rules for specific instances. There's a reason why 5E is the most popular dnd has ever been in its history.
@@XFreedomPrimeX I'm talking about 3.5e in general too. It's complexity is why I like it, and in fact, I think it has too little complexity when it comes to tactical combat. Too cumbersome for many, of course, but there's a reason the most of us are here in this video comment section.
Any path can become a swarm. Personally, I’m think8ng about doing a Druid, either as Aeon or Lich, and then maybe go full wrath of nature with the swarm.
Its a good tip for newbies but its the best part about pathfinder - multiclassed builds are the best, besides some prestige classes require you to multiclass, like trickster, arguably the strongest ranged (caster) damage dealer.
@@Fextralife Hey Cas - can you test if spiritual charge (double damage on mounted charge) + kitsune lvl10 racial feat (Vulpine pounce) giving you full attack on charging work together and doubles the damage of the entire full attack?
how much freedom and interactivity does this game offer versus games like Skyrim and baldur's gate 3? I really want to be able to interact with the objects in the world and use them in realistic and creative ways with authentic and organic reactivity - does this game offer that or is it more restricted than that? ty
I have played maybe 100 hours of Skyrim, and a bunch more in the Fallout series. I'd say Wotr allows for much less interaction with the environment. I spend most of the time holding down the Tab key to see who/what can be interacted with. There is basically loot (chests, shelves, potion racks, armor holders, etc) and named characters who will dialog with you. 30 hours in and it seems big on story and combat
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What about Paizo's official Player's Guide to the campaign?
I feel like I need to watch a guide on how to understand this guide.
I reccomend the Pathfinder Player's Handbook
@@SilverDawn97 how are you finding the game is it good???
I mean it's dnd third edition more or less so understandable it's a lot
Today is my first time playing this, just came out on PlayStation, and same lmao
@@sad-frosty4462 game is dope af
Excellent beginners guide. This is a pile of stuff, i would never have known. Im still a bit intimidated though. This is seriously a deep experience. Im glad games like this exist...
My problem exactly even after watching this. I get people like dice rolls etc, but damn I miss how other games simplify these things for the player.
I am still enjoying the game ofc and I guess this will be great for classic dnd fans from what I hear. 3.5 or something.
Totally feel ya. If you think this game is a bit of a headache/too intimidating and if you like Tactical games, try out XCOM 2. Its Sci-fi but has similar things like builds,customization,etc but its a lot less deep when it comes to builds and no dice system. Still very fun tho. You can play that first while still figuring Pathfinder out.
@@adamh4h4 Cool! Thanks for the tip!
I need to back track more. The more I play then the more ez the game gets. It is too ez now and I will have to up the difficulty of the game does not get harder
@@dormanthero Thats actually good to hear. I bet youll be able to set the difficulty settings to challenge you, but knowing that it comes together for you as you are playing.....that means the game make sense, and the learning curve is fair. Thanks!
Going to be so many builds in this game, maybe the most ever. Can't wait to start the game on unfair and get destroyed every encounter.
You will get to encounters? I doubt I will get past the character creation!
My husband says that character creation is my first boss in any game.
I all ready said I'll prob take 2 hours just to make my char and I have like over 2K portraits all ready from KM ported over lol
@@Iymarra it's mine as well... :(
I definitely wouldn't start with Unfair. I am a long time Pathfinder player, but not a minmax/munchkin at all, and I am barely squeaking through on Core. (And using internet builds for a couple of the more crap NPC's)
I've found an easy way to deal with encumbrance is to bring an animal companion. Many classes have archetypes that include animal companions, my personal favorite is the sylvan sorcerer. The animal's strength will be considered for total party encumbrance and many of the animals to choose from have very high strength ability scores.
Intresting
Or just turn it off
Magus.
Magus magus magus.
Dragon.
Dragon Magus.
That's my answer
Magus was un-fun on RTWP mode, but Turn-based made me fall in love with the class again (in Kingmaker). For "run #1" in WotR, though, I went vanilla - Rogue (Knifemaster)!
@@frederickcoen7862 Magus requires quite a lot of micro-managing so yeah Turn Based makes it much better.
I really hope sometime they use 2E system, it'd make it all much easier to get into.
I can't imagine trying to play this game without having already played the Pathfinder tabletop RPG or something similar for years. It's so much to just get tossed into.
Just started playing yesterday, it’s overwhelming
@@RavarSeer if you have any questions about game mechanics or anything, I'll do my best to answer. I've played Pathfinder 1st edition (which the game is about 95% based on) for 10 or 11 years, and even I think the leveling up process is badly explained.
I also just started and I come from only playing divinity original sin 2. It’s very different but I kinda like how there’s so much to get into
I’ve had kingmaker in my steam library for almost a year lol. Every time I think I want to start playing the overwhelming amount of information just has me switch to something easier like back to warframe lol
Played 2 years of 5e and NWN when I was growing upso all of whats mentioned here is at least familiar, some differences, but yeah, I think it'd be a nightmare if you're new to the genre.
probably gonna spend 12 hours minimum choosing which class to play
I read through the classes on a skim, checked the ones I wasn't familiar with from the tabletop version, then decided to play a NE halfling arcanist intending to go down the lich path. Though the legend path and going oracle or cleric could be awesome too.
Took me about 3 days I think I finally settled on a CE slowly moving towards good Mutagen Warrior
Great Guide and have to agree about avoiding multiclass until you know what you are doing. In Kingmaker I multiclassed on my first character because I wanted to get Mystic Theurge later since the discription sounded so cool. Needless to say my PC ended up totally useless most of the time and had to be carried by the rest of the party.
Good tip also once you get used to combat a bit, it's REALLY nice to use Real Time Combat for easy fights, and use Turn based for Boss fights.
I have two extra tips.
1:Even if you prefer turn-based mode it helps to initiate combat in active mode with multiple ranged attacks before switching.
2: Pets get Feats, skills and equipment too. A mount and its rider with the Outflank Feat can benefit at the same time. Pets are also best for the perception skill.
As someone who absolutely loved Kingmaker without 100% understanding the calculations that were going on behind the scenes, having it all laid out really highlights the Cones-iness of the game. xD
"Remember, it's all about the Cones."
My monkey brain barely gets the basics lol
Do I need to play another rts to understand this games?
@@saichandanr1953 no but it will help if you're familiar with cones of dunshire
Yes it's so much like that made-up satirical game from a show you watched and not like the actual ttrpg it's based on...
Oh no, gotta finish my masters degree in Classic RPG character building before I even think about starting this game lmao.
But for real, druid is ALWAYS the answer
Eat my Divine Smite, boiiiii!
Sincerely
A Paladin
Looking forward to new content throughout the week!
This game has intimidating mechanics! but you manage to explain most of it calmly and clearly! It is a really helpful video!
A much welcome video. Thank you. Hoping for more Wrath of the Righteous videos once the game releases
Backed the game in kickstarter so definitely playing it, only thing I need to know on day 1 is if it's polished and relatively bug free. Kingmaker's launch was a bit rough but they had it improved pretty quickly.
Yeah I remember that too i think it took about 8 months right?
Agreed, already bought it. Just hope it’s not a buy now wait half a year or longer to get the “good” version.
It seems like they reused a lot of assets from the previous game, hopefully this time the launch won't be much of a disaster. My only wish is them fixing the random stutters from Kingmaker, but most Unity games have that stuttering issue.
Bug free is unlikely, but im confident that release date is gonna be better than kingmaker
This is indeed a concern yes. I really really hope its a lot more bug free than pathfinder kingmaker at launch. I expect some bugs here and there of course. Might wait a few days to see what the story is. If I have to I will wait a month or so for them to iron out some kinks.
I think a good beginner's tip for the early part of the game is to give both Seelah and Camellia each a level of Rowdy at 2nd level.
This gives them sneak-attack and vital-strike bonus damage that works on both ranged and melee attacks.
So, Camellia becomes a ranged assassin that ends up one-shot-killing one enemy before each combat even starts, and then usually goes first in the surprise round and kills another. During melee, her Rapier starts doing 10 to 20 damage normally instead of only 4 or 5.
Meanwhile, Seelah becomes an Uber-tank that does 40 to 50 damage per hit with the magic Glaive you find early on, and once in a while that Glaive will cause multiple enemies to flee after she takes out the first one. It's wonderful!
There is no cost to using Vital Strike and getting a huge damage boost unless you are normally doing multiple attacks per round.
During the first few levels when most characters are only hitting once per round anyway, Vital Strike is well worth a 1 level dip into Rowdy for almost everyone that you get to join your party at that point.
It makes potentially difficult early battles, like the water elemental in the Maze, into very short and easy affairs. If you have multiple ranged vital-strike characters in your party, then the elemental generally doesn't make it across the room to attack anyone unless you boost the difficulty way up.
I would not do the Rowdy level for Lann, however, as he is so devastating with a composite longbow as a pure Monk, I think it is foolish to multiclass him during the early levels. This also applies to any two-weapon-fighting builds you may be working on. Vital Strike ends up being a wasted ability fairly quickly in those builds.
I'm intimidated by this game. I want to play but it seems difficult. I have a hard time with BG3 sometimes because I get lazy. The layers of this game is just amazing, and seems like if you have the patience to learn it, you will be rewarded.
Compared to BG3, I feel like this game is more complex and I don't really play many DnD games
Set it on easy and enjoy
dont be intimidated. Put it on easy if you like and dive in, gradually open the game up to yourself, try out whatever looks cool, have fun, as you get to understand it bit by bit you will want more of a challenge. so rise the difficulty as you see fit. When you really get your teeth into it you will be in love. Its extremely customizable. I for example love a good challenge but hate big crits. I hate when I do everything well but due to a random dice roll a boss gets a lucky crit and one shots me for massive damage so instead you can turn crit damage down, this means both you and enemies crits will play a smaller roll in deciding the victor of combat thus (for me) reducing frustration. Of course this also means making super dependent crit builds is less viable too lol
@@Terron29 I'm definitely going to buy it and give it a try. There's something about easy mode that bothers me but if I have to I have to. The game really does look amazing and I'm looking for a new game to get into. This might be the perfect one and how do you know unless you try it?
@@gordong11 exactly, dont even worry about easy mode man, this is kinda a long term game. think of easy as simply tutorial, the moment you grasp all the basics even just the basics you can pop it up a notch :)
I'm a self taught computer person who grew up with rotary dial phones the complexity of dungeons and dragons along with other game specific rules make this a very hard learning curve for this old dog. Having said that these guides do help in that I'm made aware of rules, situations and builds that I really don't understand in some cases until I get the explanation. So a long winded thanks.
The key to all crpgs is to learn the basics of DnD and how dice rolls and armour class works. Whether its Baldurs Gate or Pathfinder or a game that uses its own system like divinity or pillars of eternity the key to being able to play these games is to understand the basic mechanics work, I recommend mortismals guide to Pathfinder: Wotr you can apply what he teaches there in so many games
Played beta. Soo epic, overdose of epicness. Can’t wait for the full release to play my Paladin-Deliverer built around shield bash!!
P.S: Barbarian is an obsolete class, when there is a BloodRager(specifically Primalist)
P.P.S: Daeran is a primary companion for healing, his whole setup is about healing.
Does it already handle controller setup?
@@Trace153 dunno, haven’t tried playing with a controller
Oh noes the legendary shield-bashing, 70 ac having, 10 attacks per round (with avg. hit of 50+) deliveradin? D: Why would you cheese the poor game like that?
@@Hekk. lol , have you heard about trickster path’s critical stacking?XD 3k hits made with vital strike that’s a new level of cheating XD
@@SoraJustAGuy Well, I'm currently on my last Kingmaker playthrough as Arcane Trickster, those 800+ hellfire rays surely slap, one would expect that MYTHIC Trickster would slap even harder - although I'd still go with either Lich or Angel/Demon for flavour, since nothing survives Trickster's burst either way :D
I guess Tricksters are tricky to balance :')
Buffing is definitely important. Knowing that the same bonus usually doesn't stack(e.g. if you have two sources of a luck bonus then only the highest is applied) with some exceptions(dodge bonuses) and what the durations are spells. Spells like Heroism grant a +2 morale bonus for combat capability and lasts 10 minutes/caster level so it's a good pick for your front liners and can be cast at the start of a map(just be wary of losing time to failed traversal checks).
many say "don't be intimidated, just set it on easy", but i can only reccommend NOT to set it on "easy" at the beginning. make your mistakes early or you will misskill so badly (because "easy") that you only notice later and run into a wall.
you will want to have an option for easy gameplay later in the game when you don't want to redo stuff anymore and just get the story done.
if you don't know the system you will be badly misskilled anyways, you need some resistance from the game early to notice when you do terribly wrong so you can correct it before you are 50h into the game.
so, set it on normal, take the auto-stuff from the game, and when it gets hard towards the last 3rd of the game, set it on easy to get through.
Divinity is another franchise that had the same problem, they had to patch in an even easier option later because of this.
This is the classic/traditional gameplay (albeit highly evolved) that I was hoping for and expecting from BALDUR'S GATE III. I didn't like the DIVINITY:OS 3 approach to BG3. This is the kind of gameplay/interface that BG3 should have had.
Can someone help me out please. I loved the game up until you got to the map bit and you had to have armies - (the combat mini games for the armies are terrible!) ...and now I'm stuck as I can't go anywhere, my shitty armies get wiped by the demons and my party gets destroyed wherever I go, I'm supposed to make my way to Dresden but the game tells me I don't know the way there and there doesn't seem to be anywhere to go, I feel like giving up on it. I can't find any information only on this, It was the same with the Kingmaker, I loved the first bit... Until I actually became a baron and then I was like ahhhh this sucks, I wanted a CRPG not a management game. This game would have been way more fun without kingdom management / army bullshit. I'm just gonna go play Deadfire again.
Great beginners guide. I will definitely say that the auto level will jump on Toughness almost always. Avoid this feat. There are normally 6 better feats for the character you are playing. Toughness is just a waste. It has been since PF 1st edition tabletop and has not been improved.
I recommend new players check out all the great guides you guys produce!
Much better than the prebuilt as you also explain “why” to taking certain feats etc.. !!
I can’t wait to play the game with your builds, like I do all CRPGs!!
Im still stuck understanding the previous game and this one is already comming
I hope more videos for this game will come out too - I love the pathfinder universe!
Dat Alucard tho :)
I've played the card game for a while, can't wait to play this one.
I'm getting the game tomorrow (PS4) and I'm excited. Brand new to D&D/Pathfinder.
I think my first character will be a long spear guy that pokes things until they die from it.
I just got this game for PS5 and damn it's confusing as hell
Never played pathfinder but this looks very interesting
I liked Kingmaker, especially once the definitive edition came out. It seems Owlcat Games learned their lessons from Kingmaker, the beta of WoTR was fairly bug free during my playthroughs. If I have one gripe, I wish I could make my ENTIRE party from the get go (or during an NG+ type scenario), I also had that pet peeve in Kingmaker.
EDIT: Kingmaker was a TIME SINK. Between 2 playthroughs I did around 240 ish hours, & this was BEFORE the DLCs came into the picture. I expect WoTR to also have a lot of content before their DLCs come into things.
Most *Clerics* do NOT need to prepare cure spells! They can sacrifice any spell and convert it to a Cure of that level. This feature is badly named officially "Spontaneous Casting" (very confusing name). Mind you, when you play a class that has that feature, you will notice...
Great hints, but can anyone just explain how to actually play the game? The help is poor. I've played Baldur's gate and BG3 but the controls of this game, like who's turn is it, make no sense. Can anyone explain?
You might want to look up how initiative works in Pathfinder (and DnD, if memory serves).
Or just play real-time.
This video made me realize how much I take for granted in these Owlcat games knowing Pathfinder before hand.
Good stuff. Thanks for posting. I started off, playing a paladin, but switched over to inquisitor to add some abilities and a force animal companion. Still deciding where to go on my party companions.
I‘m new to this kind of game and feel very overwhelmed. I like the story though but i really don‘t get what i‘m actually doing, how to fight etc
This is a very complex game and the first time it can be very overwhelming. We have a wiki and a lot of guides to help but if you’re in it for the story don’t shy from lowering difficulty. You can always replay for harder combat later or change it back up, but if you find yourself struggling it’s best to take it one fight at a time
Super helpful, my guy. Thanks a million. (i've already managed to make a shit first build. thinking of starting over in the weekend.)
vERY good guide and tips! thanks
I have a tip, not sure if this is part of pathfinder rules or a bug in kingmaker though. In turn based mode if you right click your mouse you can switch between different moving options, if you select movement only it makes it easy to move your max distance and still get your action. Anyway if you select the smallest movement of 5 you can actually move away from close combat without provoking attacks from enemies. this was huge for me in kingmaker as any ranged or caster caught in melee could just move away, then attack or cast without any risk of attacks of opportunity
Good old 5 foot shift! One of my favorite features of Pathfinder. 5e doesn't have it, afaik.
Thanks for making this video. I finished Kingmaker but some of the gameplay aspects were too complicated for me
What I found to be very important when playing on core difficulty and above is crowd control. The game will throw masses of mobs at you and you simply won't be able to cope unless you can take some out of the fight for several rounds. There's a variety of crowd control spells in the game. I find that I am using the pit/grease spell quite allot as many of the monsters seem to be immune to sleeping/dazing spells. This is why I would recommend taking a spellcaster (ideally a wizard/sorcerer), at least on your first playthrough anyway.
As far as difficulty level is concerned, core/hard seem to be the most balanced once you know what you are doing. Unfair is really just there for those who have mastered the game to the point where it's no longer a challenge. I wouldn't recommend tat unless you want to spend hours getting past a single quest lol
Always enjoy your content, would love to see deep dives into class guides like melee lich characters or whatever i dont know but keep up the great work
In Kingmaker I liked the Magus class, but my last run turned into my favorite run by using a Cleric since the Clerics in game are...questionable. But when the Rogue-Like Dungeon came out (which was an amazing edition and feature), I kinda fell in love with the Slayer. Maybe due to the constant dungeon combat, the Slayer quickly became a staple class whenever I ventured forth in there.
Glad I backed this. Can’t wait
Give me a video of the most OP build please.
Yeah nah I dunno I think it sounds a little too hard ;P
Dhampir Alucard... Cas, you nerd :P
im getting frustrated... it feels like im underleveled but there is no way to farm levels,my spells hit like wet flop,enemies wreck my tank etc...
What’s your build and team comp?
@@kross_apollo1833 im a wizard spell caster,i got seelah for tank,ember,soliel,lann /
i had to turn down to casual just for the boss fights,the trash are pretty easy but the bosses are broken...
This is pure fire, needed this, cheers my guy
ok, very basic, fair enough ^^
Do you have some news about the secret Devil mythic path by any chance? I will start with a lawful evil tiefling Eldritch Scion and get to Aeon so it can open the Devil one, hopefully.
It’s about buffing allies. Gives various boosts and bonuses to your allies. But you also lose your Aeon gazes when you switch to Devil, and to be honest, Aeon gazes just seem flat out better to me than the stuff the devil hands out. …though it’s admittedly hilarious to turn your companions into ticking bombs that explode when they are no longer useful to you and take out all enemies around them.
The devil can steal some of the demon and angel mythic stuff, which has interesting applications.
The main problem I see, though, is that you get the devil 5/6ths into the game, so making it work with your build might be tricky, especially if you relied on Aeon stuff beforehand.
@@zerg0s So you managed to get to devil in the beta? Cause nobody talks about it. I thought it was kept for the release. Interesting insight, thanks. Personally I am not interested in min maxing. It's more as a potential fun path to take maybe.
@@nyanko2077 someone dug through the game files and datamined the devil, swarm and dragon paths.
Great tips!
A good intro for those who have never played. Well done. I play Pathfinder tabletop with friends for about 8 years now. I played Kingmaker in live campaign and the Owlcat game. Just starting WotR. Your clear and concise and this should help new players
The first part was still pretty buggy when it appeared, that's my biggest concern with the second part, so I'll wait and see.
The second part did have the advantage of an extended beta period, and a lot of bugs have been stomped out. Though from what I know, there still are a bunch of them around.
the only real tip i could give to beginers is "dont be afraid to level down the difficulty" this game is insanely hard on normal... especialy on early levels.
Really? I kill every enemy without even using spells in normal..
The Cavalier is fun and easy to play. Highly recommend. If you are Azata you can even ride your dragon when she grows.
really nice game, i only played 4-5h on core difficulty and this is my forst crpg, so its quiet challenging, there are just 4 things i really dont like and i dont understand why the mechanic is like that:
1. miss chances... why not just lower dmg numers, its not fun to miss almost every single attack in the beginning of the game, i hope this changes in the mid game, its a completly boring mechanic.
2.rest... rest takes too long and i always need to klick 2x on it to fully heal my grp... unnescessary, annoying and boring.
3. luck.... i dont like the dice system, in a lot of fight i win the fight faster is i just switch to real time and try it 4-5 times, instead of 1-2 really long turn based fights...
4. Buffs.... Buffs should only be allowed in fights, so i dont have to buff my party before every single battle, also totally boring and annoying mechanic.
i really like the mechanic mostly, but some mechanics are just shit. exploiding a RPG is not fun if it depends on luck.
I wouldn't put Cavalier as a beginner class because you have to spec you pet and a lot of your power relies mainly on charging and you have combos with skald etc.
Any other class you mention where you can put in melee and forget about them (Fighter, Barbarian, Slayer, Ranger, etc.) go for it. Pretty neat video nonetheless.
formula here, formula there and another formula under the table, fuck that, charge goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
to be honest i never played real dnd or pathfinder and i know shit about the ruleset, i just played so much of these games that i have the feel of what to do and what to advance in terms of skill etc, of course it won't be perfect build but i can manage core difficulty pretty well
is this a multi player game ?
no it's singleplayer
Very good video
I love this guy. He sounds like someone I'd get along with, because I'm ok hanging with geniuses! If his video game work ever dries up, (can't imagine that...) he could make a killing in ASMR
Sorry to reply to myself, but for the other commenters: I loved this guy's advice through DOS2, DOS, and Wasteland3. Cheers!
Playing this now, damn its a thick game. First level up i spent around an hour reading through all the other classes i could choose. For my main character! There were 4 other level ups to do.
13:28 Yeah, there's a major problem with search feature for the Wiki of this game, in that, as of 11th March 2023, it doesn't work, i.e. searching for any relevant words entered in the search field produces zero results -- nor even a response.
One thing that wasn't mentioned here: Wands and scrolls can be used by classes that can normally cast those spells without putting ranks into "Use Magic Device", and UMD can be used to allow classes that have no spellcasting to use those items!
Thanks for the preview. Not going to be my cup of tea but I hope others will enjoy it.
Thank you for the guide. I want to love this game. But after every 30 minutes with it I get confused and bored and just end up running back to D:OS2 for the rest of my evenings. Am I lame? Or is Divinity just 'that' much better?
You're lame 😆
I actually didn't like Divinity because I grind and that series has a fixed number of encounters. It is too much on rails.
TELL ME WHAT WEAPONS ARE ABUNDANT!!! WHAT SHOULD I CHOOSE FOR MY WEAPON FOCUS?!?! I HATE THIS GAME!!!!???
Seems overwhelming, but it has been so long since ive played a dnd type of rpg that i wanna try to get into it. Coming on ps plus extra so i will download soon.😊
THE SAME BONUS DOESN'T STACK. Not always, like with bonus to dodge AC which is the exception, but this is so important to know. I wasted so much equipment and potential in Kingmaker, because I didn't understand this for a long time.
An example: A +2 armor bonus to AC and a +3 armor bonus to AC doesn't stack. Meaning you only get the +3. That also means, that something like the spell "Mage Armor" is useless on armored companions.
video games are also not perfect so some bonuses may stack with what could be considered bugs
I remember in kingmaker frightful presence with legendary proportions, not all but many bonuses stacked
good stuff! keep the guides coming ;-)
My first class is bloodrager and i starting today, and yeah i quite confuse i just see oh it's barbarian using charisma modifier and have spell on it
I fucking hate that as a HEALER! I cant fucking heal myself why..... :(
lol the only table top games i grew up with are monopoly and playing cards. Heard about dungeons and dragon few times when I've had a few years on my seat times with vidya gaems, but never knew what it was about, thought it was one of those rpg genre. In fact I honestly just found out about what it's all about a few years ago, well into my adulthood.
Wow. Great video! Thanks for taking the time!
these games are a perfect example why 5E is soo popular, 3.5 was far more complicated then it needed to be.
complicated means more choice, which is why I like it
in 5e, it's a question of "can I make this kind of character"
in pf1 and pf2, it's "how can I make this kind of character"
Yeah, a lot of people think that 5e is too simplistic and streamlined to allow them to build the characters they have in their head.
Though, personally, I like both 5e and Pathfinder. They do different things.
@@zerg0s I’ve personally played a lot more Pathfinder than I have 5e but I don’t mind the trade offs they made with 5e as it makes it a lot easier to introduce people to the game.
I feel like a lot of the time when people want to put together complex characters they are at the point where they are playing some form of homebrew with quite a few house rules anyways.
@@neilg5579 I'm not talking about character creation, I'm talking about actual 3.5 combat mechanics. 3.5 is cumbersome and there's too many rules for specific instances. There's a reason why 5E is the most popular dnd has ever been in its history.
@@XFreedomPrimeX I'm talking about 3.5e in general too. It's complexity is why I like it, and in fact, I think it has too little complexity when it comes to tactical combat. Too cumbersome for many, of course, but there's a reason the most of us are here in this video comment section.
I felt like dying just trying to learn this game mechanic... meh, back to monster hunter I guess.
want to play pathfinder DONT WATCH THIS
Still torn between a lich wizard or an azata sorcerer or inquisitor to start with... also very excited about the swarm-that-walks.
Any path can become a swarm. Personally, I’m think8ng about doing a Druid, either as Aeon or Lich, and then maybe go full wrath of nature with the swarm.
I'm excited for this game
Weird design choices. So many classes and so many bugs and unbalanced combat. Why not focus on less classes?
What's a good way to earn income I'm low on troops and my guys are wearing crap gear lol I'm newb
I just started yesterday I'm going with a chaotic hunter.
There is only one answer : Warrior with 2 handed weapon long sword !
Deus Volt
Hope it will be good on ps4 too. I read kingmaker is buggy and slow loading
This is gonna take up all my life when game comes out
"Stay away from multiclassing" looking at my quad classed MC from Kingmaker *sweet drop runs down the temple*
Its a good tip for newbies but its the best part about pathfinder - multiclassed builds are the best, besides some prestige classes require you to multiclass, like trickster, arguably the strongest ranged (caster) damage dealer.
It’s a tip for beginners…
Must say I like your voice.
that tank girl looks weird lol why her upper body look like that wth :/
So excited to dig into this. Really looking forward to creating a full evil party and wrecking everything.
Do you intend to make a video about specific mechanics like mountend combat?
I do indeed!
@@Fextralife Hey Cas - can you test if spiritual charge (double damage on mounted charge) + kitsune lvl10 racial feat (Vulpine pounce) giving you full attack on charging work together and doubles the damage of the entire full attack?
this game still in inglish only or have spanish language finally?
how much freedom and interactivity does this game offer versus games like Skyrim and baldur's gate 3? I really want to be able to interact with the objects in the world and use them in realistic and creative ways with authentic and organic reactivity - does this game offer that or is it more restricted than that? ty
I have played maybe 100 hours of Skyrim, and a bunch more in the Fallout series.
I'd say Wotr allows for much less interaction with the environment. I spend most of the time holding down the Tab key to see who/what can be interacted with. There is basically loot (chests, shelves, potion racks, armor holders, etc) and named characters who will dialog with you.
30 hours in and it seems big on story and combat
a great guide that explined me why i need to uninstall the game
tnx
+1 for hype
2nd edition pathfinder sucks.