John Mearsheimer: Why Liberal Democracy is Over!
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- It is widely believed in the West that the United States should spread liberal democracy across the world, foster an open international economy, and build institutions. This policy of remaking the world in America’s image is supposed to protect human rights, promote peace, and make the world safe for democracy. But this is not what has happened. Instead, the United States has ended up as a highly militarized state fighting wars that undermine peace, harm human rights, and threaten liberal values at home. Mearsheimer tells us why this has happened.
The Great Delusion: Liberal Dreams and International Realities was a talk given by Professor John J Mearsheimer at the Centre for International Studies and Diplomacy, SOAS University of London on 21 January 2019.
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Listening this in Feb-2022, and it makes sense.... Very good perspective sir...🙏
Why?
@@yukihirasouma4691 cuz he rightly predicted future
Agree with him, or disagree with him -- this was a great talk.
Why does he makes so much sense?
Notice recently that we finally pulled out Afghanistan ? Didn't Mearsheimer say this was a lost cause ?
He makes a lot of sense, a hell of a lot of sense.
Everything he said makes sense 💯
This guy is interesting. Will probably watch this again. One of your best in awhile, Phil, thanks.
Creep can't stand still.
@@JonROlsen youre gross
@@ishrendon6435sorry
Good riddance. To hell with globalism too.
@@ktom5262 Yes.
Your title is wrong.
He's talking about liberal hegemony being over not democracy.
Is it a mistake or a clickbait?
Fix it
I thought the same thing but couldn't summarize it as well
@@whitleypedia liberal democracy is also becoming obsolete.
if you listen to him in full, you will see that he argues a liberal democracy as a sole superpower inevitably and necessarily tries to be the liberal hegemon of the world . and inevitably must fail.
@@sitting_nut it will fail and it will fall . Question is not if it falls question is when it falls
2006 study found liberal democies have fallen below 50 percent its truth
Just under 75 years of prosperity is at its end. The luckiest Americans were born in 1946.
Tf you're talking about? Just another dominant philosophy will dominate.
That is prosperity only for the Americans
@@yukihirasouma4691 Philosophy?? There are only two philosophies the liberal one or the conservative one.
@@martinpospisil3747 in what context?
If you are talking from the context of the USA it’s more like modern liberals versus classical liberals.
Outstanding analysis... Great american intellectual..
He's right and Francis Fukuyama will be seen as an idiot for forever in history. End of history right? Wrong.
exactly, what pathetic arrogance to believe our generation has found tha magical unoversal and absolute political formula in western democracy. it is like a religion where liberal democracy is an axiom of good vs evil
Imagine an alternate timeline wherein Lewis Black became a political scientist instead of comedian...
None of them were truly committed to victory like the sides were in WWII. They would have just killed all resistance if the stakes were high.
Untrue america has been a good fighting force the difference is many weaker nations are rising against western imperialism and thus we see resistance everywhere
A great segment on this topic from the professor. He’s really on a roll here and still sharp as a tack in his 70s. I’ve learned so much from his UA-cam videos and hope he lives to 100 so he can keep providing his uniquely insightful commentary.
"Man in his arrogance thinks himself a great work worthy the interposition of a deity. More humble and I think truer to consider him created from animals." -Charles Darwin
Nah...
MrShaiya96 Darwin was certainly right about the evolutionary nature of all life! His rather jaundiced view of humanity unfortunately has overwhelming historical precedent.
How smart was he? He married his first cousin. One of the Wedgwood elites.
@@marscruz wincest
@@marscruz a lot of the English do that, that’s why they had such bad teeth.
So according to this video’s title, Liberal Hegemony = Liberal Democracy?
Hopefully the headline is simply wrong....
The title is right. Read Deneen's Why Liberalism Failed or Hazony's The Virtue of Nationalism. Liberalism is just an imperialistic ideology in the same way as fascism and communism once were.
if you listen to him in full, you will see that he argues a liberal democracy as a sole superpower inevitably and necessarily tries to be the liberal hegemon of the world . and inevitably must fail.
@@capistev sorry white supremy, your time is over
@@Dave-lm4lp ignorant
We need a modernized political philosophy. Machiavelli is getting pretty stale with the lack of recognition that there is no upper limit to the value of human ideas. That is, given the right philosophical approach regarding supremacy of human moral progress, governing societies can continue with an infinity of improvement depending on what people think and do.
you nailed it. America was founded upon Enlightenment principles, most of which were new and untested, and thus inspiring and courageous as expressed in seminal documents like the declaration of independence, the federalist papers, the constitution, the star spangled banner, etc. illustratively, check out Toqueville's laudatory treatment of the american experiment in his two volume "Democracy in America."
fast forward from a quarter millennium from America's founding...the PR campaign is stale and trite - though still effective as campaign-speak with a citizenry that was fed the propaganda from kindergarten through grad school/law school/med school/phd programs. as the ancient Greeks noted and the Romans proved, there's no logical connections nor positive correlations between democracy of any form and liberty. the Framers didn't even believe very strongly in democracy. nowadays the canned responses to critiques are "it's not perfect but it's the best ever." that's not even true, but it prevents Americans from thinking about how to advance civilization by alignment with nature rather than appetites.
Adam Smith esteemed his Theory of Moral Sentiments more highly than he did his Wealth of Nations. because Americans are educated and socialized to say things like "we must save our proud democracy", the question of morality is eclipsed. indeed, the ignorance and illogical tendency renders responses like "the first amendment was designed so that morality would not impede government." just think about how ridiculous that is to believe that morality is something cooked up by prelates to prevent effective government. it's so illogical that Americans are conditioned to embrace illogical things as a matter of national pride: magic bullets, racialist categories, rigged elections, pandemics that spare all A-list celebrities, impeachments for investigating in Ukraine what turned out to be corruption - with no remorse as the fruits of it are revealed in the carnage of war.
The title should probably be "John Mearsheimer: Liberal hegemony is over" I feel my normie friends would dismiss it without even looking as hyperbole if I tried to show it to them.
Dear chap talks like 18 years of occupying Afghanistan hasn't yielded billions of dollars of profits in opium and minerals etc. Weird analysis.
I've always wondered about the lure of the poppy fields.
It didn't do the taxpayers any good. Or the soldiers who were killed or maimed. But then that's not the point of war. I get your sarcasm... but's it's dark.
Lol, would make sense if they did take the resources, but they let the Chinese take them instead, lol. (Led by sheep, and now your economy is ruined - thanks to a virus)
@@lizabek7673 the Chinese couldn't have achieved financial success without capitalists deciding to break the social contracts in western democracies. And break a whole load of laws.
That profit clearly didn’t flow into the tax coffers of the 🇺🇸USA government.
We still got old rotting bridges, decayed sewer systems, cracked interstate roads, aging electrical grids, and a whole host of other decrepit infrastructure issues that should have been addressed in the last over 20 years since the year 2000.
I honestly don’t understand why the average working Americans in general are not simply outraged that they have gotten nothing from this corrupt Neoconservative Neoliberal foreign policy.
It’s very insane🤔
America will always be engaged in hot military action, somewhere in the world for 2 reasons.
1. Our constitution does not allow for a standing army outside of a time of declared war, therefore we are always officially at war with some nation.
2. We will not allow our officer and NCO and reserve corps to be depleted of people who have actual combat experience. That institutional experience must be sustained.
Make sense seeing how inept the Russian Army is.
Only as long as the 🇺🇸United States dollar maintains its global reserve currency status.
But once that’s gone, then it will become a whole lot harder for the 🇺🇸USA to maintain any sort of global hegemonic oversight.
@@willia3r Agreed, but even without reserve currency status, we would occupy regional hegemony along the lines of China, India, Russia, etc.
Few get a fresh new start in history
What does he mean “overselling of individual rights?” Seems to me like they sell collectivism.
Sorry, but since I would be in the lineup to get shot against the wall I am against any "collective good"
example, this CCP virus "Shelter in place" request. As a responsible individualist I am abiding for now. It's good for me and mine and keeps society around... But the minute it becomes marshal law at the end of a gun crap...That changes everything.
He also said TPP was a good plan. Authoritarianism gone Oligarchy.
@@therasheck This COVID-19 "crisis" has shown that people are more interested in security than they are in liberty.
@@oad51 Give it a couple of weeks and we will see.
Individual rights and collective rights are inseparable in reality. To believe otherwise is naivety.
Interesting.
When American forces arrive in Kabul or Tehran what do they do first? Fix the power or water, NAH, not a chance...they set up a lesbian counseling service. So progressive...so helpful
On arrival in Iraq in 2003 the top priority was the acquisition of Mesopotamian heirloom seeds because US grain production with its artificial
fertilisers, glyphosate & atrazine could fall over any time.
If they sent some to the Seed Vault in Denmark, it's all right.
@@temperateortropical161 Interesting. References please. I'd like to read further.
@@algoa456 Considering 1 yr has passed... either the guy hasnt seen ur comment, or the source is "dude, trust me bro".
That wouldn’t surprise me.
Western powers like the 🇺🇸USA put a higher priority on social engineering agendas than they do on providing practical workable Civil Engineering projects that will actually help people.
Which is summarized by the expression:
'The meek shall inherit the Earth. So long as thats alright with everyone else ...'
@Omne Obstat - my poor and inappropriate humour I'm afraid. Just trying to summarize what he was saying.
I suppose that it is no surprise that the culture evolving from European Christendom - was not embraced or welcomed everywhere.
In any event - as the west lost its Christian purpose - so it has adopted a kind of cynical bullying, bribery and extortion as its foreign policy.
Who would have thought that this might cause resentment!
He said Liberal Hegemony is over in geopolitics, not Democracy.
Not the same thing.
Eastern Europeans may have something to say about NATO being right beside Russia.
Russia poses no threat to NATO's eastern European members like the Poles and the Hungarians, it doesn't even border them. The Baltic states perhaps but even then, does anyone seriously think Russia is going to invade a NATO member state? Very unlikely. It isn't 1983 anymore, Russia is not the Soviet Union.
@@nat1bott it only Ukraine could hear your comforting words about Russia's threat level.
@@FeliussRexx Its ironic that its American intervention that has actually made Ukraine at risk from Russian activity, Ukraine was at no risk prior to the Western backed coup that replaced a semi pro-Russian president with a government of anti-Russian, pro-western Ukrainian nationalists.
@@FeliussRexx funny you dont mention the middle east or latin america or Asia
I was looking for videos on 'liberal democracy vs conservative democracy'. I was hoping this would explain why conservative democracy was winning, but conservative democracy doesn't even seem to be a 'thing', so discouraging...
“Liberal” in Liberal democracy doesn’t mean the colloquial term for center left people in the United States. In this context liberal democracy means: “Liberal democracy is generally understood to be a system of government in which people consent to their rulers, and rulers, in turn, are constitutionally constrained to respect individual rights.” So under a conservative president we would still be a liberal democracy.
Misleading video title. He argued that liberal hegemony is over not liberal democracy
what if another country is fighting to get liberal democracy? should we help them like France helped us during the American revolution?
Absurd. Everyone loves liberal democracy whether they admit it or not. They want free trade and speech.
He is correct in point out that liberal democracy did not work in Vietnam and Afghanistan. It did not work Russia and China is very afraid of doing that.
However, Mr. Mearsheimer failed to point out that it works in other countries particularly in Japan when the monarchist was abolished, in South Korea, in Taiwan, Singapore, and Hong Kong. These are the sovereigns that esposed liberal democracy and we can see how their economy developed. Modern countries like the Baltic states espoused it. Even the Arab spring are product of the ideal of liberal democracy.
This idealogy is like a spectre to totalitarian state. In the case of China, they do not want it because it will threaten the existence and legitimacy of the communist party. Also Vladimir Putin is afraid that his cabalistic elite rule will be wiped out when more Russians will demand more freedom particularly economic and personal liberty.
Just because the US was not able to propagate or defend, it does not mean it is the doom of it. On the other hand, western society was benefited from it. There are no other part of the world that has a better standard of living than in the West or those under the Western sphere of influence. If you say China did it, that's partly a success. But come to think about it. Why is it that the best ideas are still coming from the west or its sphere of influence? If China is really a developed society, why are they stealing intellectual property rights? Why can't they develop their own? In other words, a society can only prosper if it established institution that may cultivate and uphold human liberties. The west was able to establish it. The checks and balances of teh government and the establishment of the accountabilities minimizes the risk of dictators. However, it is not a perfect system. But it is a better one wherein people are empowered and freedom is guaranteed. This is still a better ideology. I bet, many Chinese would rather flee from China and immigrate to other nation if they have a chance.
Singapore is arguably not a liberal democracy, and Hong Kong is definitely not a liberal democracy or a sovereign.
Liberal democracy either becomes a total political chaos (which is very vulnerable to being exploited by foreign interests), or leads to the creation of a ruling class in society. No matter who's in power, what they promise, or what political system is in place, their priorities are always more or less in this order: stay in power, maintain stability, protect sovereignty, increase prosperity, decrease suffering and finally, individual rights. Making liberal democracy work is really hard, and it's not worth the risk to try and change a political system, if it's already stable in it's own way.
🇸🇬 Singapore is a monarchy, you already discredited yourself by disregarding that key fact.
Japan is a cerimonial monarchy with dominant party politics
Not a very good analysis. There is still no comparison of American pursuit of liberty and individualism with any other ideology in the world. Nobody in this world would think Afghanistan is a better system. The point is that we did not have necessary will or tools...we probably did not want to change them for the better. Left them as they were and that is the problem.
Misleading title. Liberal hegemony is over. Not liberal democracy.
Liberal democracy is over is something completely different than liberal hegemony. I don't think you've understood this section of the talk if that is your take away.
No it isn't. For you to think otherwise, you must not know what a liberal hegemony is.
it's an interesting view on why Russians don't favor liberal democracy
Modern warfare - Westphalian Rules War - often loses. For it to work, the combatants all have to buy into Enlightenment foibles. But the natural human rules of war - Carthaginian Rules War - often win. Kill all the adult men, enslave the survivors and scatter them to the four corners of the Earth. Nationalism can be overcome.
More precisely, nationalism can be shattered and its last embers dissolved.
But the Carthaginian Rules methods are bloody, and frequently require occupation thereafter. OTOH, Carthaginian Rules War is oh so much easier without the obstructions of Liberal Democracy. Yes Liberal Hegemony is over, but not because China and Russia are rising. They're actually falling, and Coronavirus will only accelerate it. Liberal Hegemony is over because Liberal Democracy is dying in the West itself.
@Max Raider And 3200 years ago during the Trojan War, Andromache could stab Achilles with a dagger if she could get close enough.
Rewind the clock just 30 years and look at what was happening in the Former Yugoslavia as the place fell apart. The kill squads were killing all males 13 and older. It is unpleasant but remains true - women are the prizes in war.
The natural rules of warfare have not changed.
Actually, watch Wolfgang Petersen's 2004 "Troy" and pay attention to the scene where Hector shows the escape tunnel to Andromache. Eric Bana's descriptions still apply today.
@Max Raider Conquerors usually don't care.
imagine a world without NATO AND US...
Wow this guy is in favor of TPP. It time to slow down and more critically evaluate the many talking points this guy quickly rolls over without even discussing why certain policy's were good or bad for America (the middle class- not the elites).
The vid is great but he's talking about liberal hegemony not liberal democracy
A liberal hegemony is the exertion of liberal democracy upon uninterested parties by force or coercion.
Bad title. You are degrading your product by making these clickbait titles.
Quit right.
To be fair, a lot of this has been about the oil under the guise of liberal democracy.
Also about the dominance of the 🇺🇸United States dollar as a global reserve currency.
A Hegemon is neither liberal nor democratic
It's closest relative is fascism.
Is this guy a reincarnation of Howard Beale?
*TRUMP-2020*
It is all based on an idea that all players want a staus-quo. Russia certainly is not.
Are you talking about WEF/Davos/Klaus Schwab/Bill Gates?
What is good for the good is NOT always what is good for the gander...
Not gonna lie I’ve watched way too many political videos to count and this guy deals in every “America bad” cliche. For an educated guy he leaves very little room for nuance
I think he's excellent. What did he say that is wrong?
So the possibility of America not always being in the right is an alien concept to you?
@@nat1bott America has been wrong many times, but painting a peacemaker as being in bed with dictators is either dishonest or corrupt.
@@dennisyoung7363 The part about the USA being 'ruthless' bothered me a bit. You only have to look at what happened after WW2 to see that it isn't true.
@@capistev That was really before the CIA got up to speed. Between the CIA and the Pentagon things have really changed since DubDub Two. You can see it with the whole Vietnam fiasco. By then the MIC was fully embedded.
wow countries wont allow usa invading them & then telling them how to do politics.
Great scholar of neo-realism...
I know Laotians (Hmong, South Vietnamese) who are glad to be in the USA. First they provided troops to work with USA military to stop encroachment of communism from the north, with the promise they could come to the USA if the effort against the north failed. And now they are here. This is the condensed story I've heard many times. Some failures still have good results for the people who needed help.
You destroyed Vietnam and are taking credit for the fact that many Vietnamese come to the US because of the fact. Good job.
How many Vietnamese who helped the us were left at the mercy of the the vietcong? How many Afghans who helped the us were left at the mercy of the Taliban? I bet you that they are at the very least more than half
@@Saleh-994 I've never heard of or read about perfect outcomes from wars but i know a system is in place to identify and punish war crimes. When people are not rescued and left at the mercy of deadly factions that the war created or didn't eradicate, the fault doesn't neatly lie with one individual in authority. Life is messy. Some might choose the risk of staying behind and some might have "missed the boat" because of some unforeseen obstacle. Maybe future wars will be fought in a way that doesn't involve killing each other but instead upsetting the economy (which is already happening on a smaller scale.
Dude obviously you can find some exceptions but overall it was horrible
Do you think just because some middle eastern people like the west that majority of middle eastern want them in there country and want occupation? Your logic is very dumb majority of people supported the communist and the north because they saw and rightfully so the US as an imperialist force no matter good or bad intentions it just proves youre a sellout to the west instead of helping your own country ywt you make it seem the wesr produced mostly good lol idiot
on the one hand he makes a lot of sense, but on the other hand he's a jew...
You can have liberal democracy with other world powers. There are always incentives not to have a liberal democracy, and always incentives to have a liberal democracy. There is no absolute quantity called power that makes one country a world power in all areas. His conclusion is hyperbolic, but most of what he said was.
you didn't understand the core argument. according to him, we are social animals. if there is ever a conflict between individualism and collectivism, the latter would win. you are right in the sense that there are always reasons in either case... but at the end, you know who would win
Keeping out of "those" countries - yes - keeping "those' countries out of the U.S.- HELL YES ....... just sayin' ......... ;-p
Realists will say, he makes sense, i can relate to his ideas (because at his core, he is a realist).
Idealists will say, no, Old World Machiavellian realpolitik might have some residual adherents in some parts of the world, and it's important to know/acknowledge realism, but no, we should not hail, celebrate or espouse realism as a rule stick or end in itself, but we should/must only use that knowledge about them to find ways not to go back to that Regressive World, and that we should evolve forward.
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Still cute.
The point is the U.S.is improving their strategic advantage and eliminating some enemies and putting China and Russia in their place.
God Bless Trump.
he's an isolationist. saved you 12 minutes.
He’s a realist. An isolationist won’t care much about the balance of power, which is the scale of peace or vacuum of power, which is the recipe for chaos.
Hes not an isolationist lol you fool can you comprehend??
Whites get so offended
Isolationist sees the world in sensible lens
We won in Vietnam. Next Congress voted not to uphold our arms promise and lost it after the fact...
For your argument to be consistent we would have to accept the logical inference that the USA should not have been dragged into WWI and WWII either, a notion of which I might be persuaded. Otherwise, you're just picking and choosing wars we should and shouldn't be involved with, and that would take away any scintilla of credibility from your position.
In addition, and quoting Ambassador Jean Kirkpatrick, I have to say that “your facts are no facts” Mr. Mearsheimer... Your characterization of a number of historic events you cite in your video (Vietnam, the Cuban missile crisis, Syria, et al) is far removed from what really happened.
Finally, we in the West no longer have liberal democracies. It's all about Globalism, Postmodernism, and Neomarxism/Neoliberalism and that's the brand nobody wants, even those of us who live under them.
Dude since 1995 its been failed wars lol
We dont care about wars 100 years ago we make assumptions based on newer wars and the failure of foreign policies why are yanks so stubborn and want to believe there government and nation is so great ywt falling apart not because of marxism lol but because of conservative wackos who used war to profit
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Your nation sucks because of the right wingers who love war
რაღა მაინც და მაინც საქართველოზე გაავლეთ ზღვარი თქვე დედამოტყნულებო?
Occupying primitive third world countries like they're post WW2 Japan and expecting the same success is idiotic. That said, the idea that NATO is bad because China and Russia find it threatening is also idiotic. Of course they find it threatening, they find all foreign offensive and defensive activity threatening because they ARE threats, not to their survival but to their ambitions.
Wow primative third world nations but you get your ass beat lol western supremacy is a joke and everyone laughs that america and Europe is falling apart. China is better
China beat you Europeans
After your people exploited then and other primative third world nations lol own what you did
Ok by 9:26 it just gets too stupid. Because Trump wants to cut deals and not spread democracy through war, he is painted as "getting in bed with dictators." Time for the old guy to retire. I'm out.
I don't think he's saying it in a pejorative sense. I think its to get the point across that Trump is against liberal hegemony and its failures.
Butthurt Trumpet can’t handle the fact that Trump’s ‘deal cutting’ didn’t take American soft power into the account.
@@thanpisittadsri2027 Example?
@@dennisyoung7363 Failure to acknowledge the significance of global institutions that the US has established, downplaying and opting out from institutions resulted in vacuum of power for the Chinese to fill in the void of leading role. By running against liberal values, there’s nothing left for you to stand for beside profits. And the Chinese, they are already playing the profit card, luring countries into their influence via capitalistic-authoritarian-nationalist model. BRI is an equivalent of Monroe doctrine in Asia. And what did DJT do? Slap more tariffs and protectionism, instead of building new economic bloc, one that promotes investment shift from China to other AP countries to contain them economically, TPP was one attempt. You know there are certain costs to maintain for leading the world, and DJT neglected this point, hence China is running against everything he missed out in global politics, while losing US-AP coalitions built upon the benefits of liberal hegemony in post-Cold War. It’s fine to pursue American interest first, its foolish for not seeing that American interest and soft power are also vested in global institutions as you were the original founder. Make it work, don’t let the Chinese run it.
Example: Thailand, a country where I am from is known as US major non-NATO ally but with the rise of China and the downfall of US liberal order (DJT). Such events have been used by dictator to ignore democratic values aka US soft-power in order for the ruling power to remain authoritarian, spreading the economic success of Chinese model in process. We are now procuring Chinese subs, and the Military Gov couldn’t care less if we weren’t being invited to your Democracy summit. If you want to contain Chinese rise, you need most of ASEAN on your side to strategically cooperate with Japan-India in the process. That’s the frontier.
@@thanpisittadsri2027 Thanks, learn to write efficiently if you want people to read it.
This video aged like unpasteurized milk at room temperature 😝
Did it? 😃
Mearsheimer:
"DEMOKRATIE STUNK! LIBERTY STUNK! FREESPRECHEN STUNK!"
There is so much wrong with this guys outlook. Neo-con globalism is not going to make a comeback either, bud.
Old fart does have some points, but then he starts elaborating on them. Pity...
Ahh yes! Let's not spread democracy, better to have had countries like South Korea and Japan left to their own devices, right? :)
WE DID NOT LOSE THE VIETNAM WAR.
Militarily, no.
Politically, yes the 🇺🇸USA lost the war.
*Looks at the state of Russia, China, and Iran*
Looks like Fukuyama was right.
That’s right
No sorry. You lost me from the start. We did not lose the Vietnam War, we abdicated. We beat the HELL out of the damned Communists then folded and walked away in disgrace. You do have a point about the worthless enterprise of introducing self- government to savages. Yes, Ho Chi Minh admired our constitution but became a totalitarian dictator whose NVA chained troops to hilltop trees during their retreat. Then there’s the Middle East, where their idea of civilization is “eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth “. Yes you have a point but don’t tell me we lost the Vietnam War.
"We did not lose the Vietnam War, we abdicated."
Cope harder. The US lost, period. In the same way the Brits lost when they "abdicated" in the Revolution and gave the US its independence. Just because you redefine victory conditions doesn't make it less true.
"Yes, Ho Chi Minh admired our constitution but became a totalitarian dictator"
Imagine thinking Ho Chi Minh was a dictator and then propping up Diem as the de facto dictator of South Vietnam. Western hypocrisy in a nutshell.
"You do have a point about the worthless enterprise of introducing self- government to savages"
Thanks for proving you settlers are fascists, deep down.
Not true the communist won and the north swallowed the south . Lol explain how you won?? Ho chi minh admired vietnam but you know the US betrayed him to support the french and its attempt to recolonize vietnam or indochina lol the french were defeated qnd the Americans why are you butthurt your nation lost,?? The french can take defeat better thsn Americans lol
You lost the war and most academics and politicians say that and theyre right look who won??? The communist not the south the US fought with and failed lol thats a failure you blimp
🇺🇸 lost in vietnam
Btw anericans were not winning lol
Jew?
Mostly BS. He has selective logic. He thinks we should not be supporting Ukraine but his examples like Vietnam support our approach. And history has shown he was wrong!