Has China Won? | Kishore Mahbubani | John Mearsheimer | Tom Switzer
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- Опубліковано 10 тра 2020
- CIS Executive Director, Tom Switzer interviews John Mearsheimer and Kishore Mahubani to ask Has China Won?
At a time when tensions are running high, CIS Executive Director Tom Switzer asked Has China Won? Our debate between John Mearsheimer and Kishore Mahbubani, two of the world’s leading foreign policy intellectuals. Covid-19 has greatly raised tensions between China and the West. Washington and its allies express outrage at the Communist regime’s opacity concerning the outbreak of the coronavirus. Meanwhile, fears are growing that a pandemic that began in the Chinese city of Wuhan may end by increasing Beijing’s international influence and power.
Kishore Mahbubani is author of Has China Won? The Chinese Challenge to American Primacy (just out, PublicAffairs) A former Singaporean ambassador to the United Nations (twice), he was the founding dean of the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy. He was a guest of CIS in September 2018.
John Mearsheimer is author of The Great Delusion: Liberal Dreams and International Realities (Yale University Press, 2019) and The Tragedy of Great Power Politics (Norton, 2014.) He is professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago. He was a guest of CIS in August 2019.
Tom Switzer, has written for the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Washington Post, The Spectator, Financial Times, Foreign Affairs, The National Interest, The American Interest and The American Conservative. He has also appeared on CNN, CNBC, Bloomberg, Al Jazeera, Sky News, SBS, Seven, Nine, Ten and ABC radio and television. He hosts Between the Lines on the ABC's Radio National.
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The question is not if China will rise peacefully. The question is if China would be allowed to rise peacefully.
hahah, right, China never wants to invade other countries, but USA navy and air force always enter south China sea and Esten China sea to make trouble.
The question is not if China will rise peacefully, the question is if US will go down peacefully.
The question is not if both USA and China will be allowed to create supremacy but rather it's the other countries that will decide who will win.
yes, and for that China would need to reach venezuela and cuba - help these nations develop nuclear weapons and create problems for china in its own hemisphere.
help argentina develop weapons to take back falklands
the five eyes need to be taught a lesson.
@@user-gf6ej9rz8p - because china do not have any air craft carrier in the past. Now is a different story.
The question is not if China will rise peacefully, the question is if US will go down peacefully.
John Mearsheimer's argument for why the US are going to win: we always won before, we will win again. I think that is the point at which all great empires collapsed...
John Mearsheimer: US will win because US won before
Kishore Mahbubani: China will raise peacefully because China was peaceful before
Me: GME price will raise because it raised before 🙈
Actually, after World War II, US never won any wars.
what about demographics?
John is a briiliant student and teacher, but his perspective is clearly skewed; his presumption is that all world powers behave the same way is flawed and incorrect. Take off your American "we are the only superpower" glasses and see 5000 years of Chinese history. China ain't a wannabe America. Kishore has a more balanced perspective..
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John Mearsheimer was simply knocked out by Kishore !
I don't think so. John explained the U.S. strategies very well. And now the reality confirmed what he said which is the U.S. has more military bases in Asia
And keep selling more weapons in Asia.
@@birdyashiro1226 Yeah, that's like having a 50% mark on a test. He explained how America works very accurately, but he explained how China works falsely.
Well it was supposed to be my last comment, but in the last 60 years China has worked hard while the West have been running their mouth.
Yup, they did their best to defy WTO laws.
@martinsaint, give me the figures idiot! The birth rate was around 1.3-1. 5% in the last decade in China! giving birth overseas accounts for only less than 0.001% in the last decade, part of which are for individual family reasons.....!!
Yes the normal Chinese not the CCP that works hard. I hope you do know that all the rich people in China are well connected with the CCP. I think you are one of them or are working for the CCP, yes ?
Yes they worked hard with western knowledge and now they use that,and by western choice when they practically gave them jobs amd money
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You're absolutely correct. Addition, the Western, especially the U.S. & Australia as minion are trying to contains / blocks the raise of China ( naturally ) by and always accustomed to using disgraceful politics and smearing methods to play with almost anything, anyone, anywhere in order to achieve their goals _ regardless of facts, conscience, nature, science, etc. and ultimately. . Just how naive, shameless, farce and nonsense. In short, when a man and girl fall in love with each other, he or she is obsessed by saying most beautiful words with each other .... then gets married. For some reason or a deliberated to force a divorce. Next, one of the conspiracies will make or fabricate the most dirty, nasty or even the most inhuman and immoral things to accuse the other party (maybe a poor victim)! On the other hands, people of the Far East (Chinese) have traditional self-cultivation, received family education at childhood and shame, they have rarely done such a thing to corrupt ( his or her ) themselves reputation, typically their family and clan reputation.**
I watch this because of Kishore. Without him, it is a waste of my time. I am from south east Asia but we are not afraid of China. Please get this right.
You are absolutely spot on, it takes an Asian to understand China though not absolute all such as Japanese...and Vietnamese...
Kishore speaks with humility whereas John subscribes himself to a flawed view of the international political scene from the American point of view. Let us not forgot that Russian leaders have adamantly opposed NATO enlargement in Europe especially Ukraine and the US role in the Middle East has always expanded now in the South China Sea. John is more on offensive realism which seeks power and influence to achieve security through domination and hegemony. That is why he favours containment.
@@yuanhaochue2889 Why is it that China has no friends apart from perhaps Pakistan and this in itself speaks volumes. Going around the world threatening economic reprisals for not towing the party line and kowtowing to their world view is hardly conducive to mutual prosperity, Throw in the blatant malign influence of domestic manipulation and you have the 3 legs of terror.
@@christopherbegley6461 how do u define friends, in comparison US has many allies partly because trade n military nights to protect them ..do u see that US is screwing up its allies including Canada because of trade, the gas pipe line, Norm Pipeline from Russia to Germany, US were protector of Imperial Shah of Iran as well as The most corrupt fascist, Marcos of Philippines, the most notorious war criminal of Japan that has yet to officially apologies for Comfort Women issue that was given the Chinese Diaoyu Island as a premeditated tactical scheme to contain China... 130 nations has China as the biggest trading partners while Australia has 36% export depending on China that amounting US, Japan and UK total, and next election, Morrison will need to pacify the voters either to go to war with US against China or negotiate trade ! Unless you understand Chinese culture, " a true friend will not do to others, what you do not want others to do unto you!"...the Belt & Road Initiatives, 140 nations have signed up.. geopolitics has no permanent friends, a friend in need is a friend indeed!.. having the benefits of enjoying the best of 2 worlds, Eastern culture n Western education, most of us should have better ideas and manifest the eco systems to make friends base on mutual understanding, mutual respect and most important mutual expectation to forge a shared win win prosperity for world communities..
@@christopherbegley6461 in real geopolitics within the context of Western dominated democracy, a uniquely Socialist state has no other choice but using economics while US has 3 unipolar power base. Fiat n Swift financial systems. Military industrial complex and Western dominated propaganda machinery/platform and Australia as its mouth piece, Google. FACEBOOK. UA-cam CHANNELS... while China has the flexibility of financial capability/capacity to initiate Asian Infrastructure Development Bank, yet the West classify as Debt Trap, mind you China has no choice but to develop its capacity n capability in infra structure to one level above others in terms of technology and cheaper cost to compete, has to show case its Green energy and Regreening the dessert to demonstrate its equitable share of worldly good, most important of all having up lifted 800 million Chinese from abject poverty, mitigated constructively during the 2008 world financial crisis are benevolent contribution to humanity and world property.. albeit the continuous abuse of sustainability by extravagance in living standard by the West unabated... Think rationally about the Western based ignorance and arrogance!
I may be wrong but 8min in, John & Kishore have already demonstrated the key differences between western and eastern thinking. Kishore put this very succinctly - back when China was the absolute dominating force in the world, it had no motivation to control/colonize other regions the way the western nations did. It is simply not the dominating thought in the Chinese mindset to control others unless it feels threatened and do so out of self defense. John on the other hand, "China would be crazy to not dominate Asia the way U.S. has dominated the western hemisphere..." case in point. Please don't project your bias/inclinations onto the eastern mind.
John doesn't really understand the Asian mentality, the way of doing things that's so very different from the West.
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yup. China had enough trouble keeping it together and the lands w/ best lands were within China (before the use of oil, industrial revolution, etc). Anywhere they might go was either rocks, tundra, jungle, desert, etc. John Mearsheimer needs to respond to this point. Although, the Manchu expansion into Tibet could be considered hegemony, don't think they understood control of water sources back then.
However, he does have a point (maybe from another vid, get them mixed up now) that intentions don't matter; a hegemon such as the US needs to be wary of capabilities because you never know what kinda nutjob could come in power some day (as happened in Germany a couple times).
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Yes, it is surprised to hear that from John, he still have the mindset that China want to conquer or dominate the world like the West. and the example of he mentioned US won over Germany, Nazi, Japan, Soviet Union, all those 4 power is crazy for power. But China isnt going that way, China is totally different kind of competitor that US has never met.
Mearsheimer's words showed us the US's last, desperate struggle to keep its USA exceptionalism, which translates into wars, killings, and subversions.
If you are implying Mearsheimer is supporting US hegemony, you need to hear his all other lectures especially on Russia and Ukraine.
He is a realist through and through. The Indian origin sellout is exactly that, that's why you may be thinking otherwise.
@@Captain_Sosuke_Aizen
That's because he think Russia is not their major competitor. He want the US and Russia should be on the same side to contain China.
He think it is not in the ukrainian's interest to alliances with America to provoke Russia.
At the same time, he think it is in Australia's, Japan's, and especially Taiwan's interest to provoke China.
He is not objective, because he is on the US side.
This is deep, "Australia is in Asia not Canada"
Because it's much easier to protect Canada than Australia in the eye of America, Hence "Australia is in Asia, not Canada". And it's easier doing business with Asian countries than Americans in the eye of Australia. It's a double-edged sword if you're in Australia. Everyone knew what Kishore was talking about, maybe not you.
I am Canadian and I wish Canada would move away from America.
@@HKChineseCanadian
If Canada fulfils your wish to
" move away from America ", which country would accept Canada's vast exports diverted from USA ? Currently Canada also exports substantial crude oil via a pipeline from Alberta to an oil terminal on the US gulf coast. The only buyer of this oil would be China, but that would need a new pipeline from Alberta to Vancouver BC. Such a pipeline approval would be impossible on environmental grounds.
Australians would not be doing what they are doing if they were not white, they are not serving Australia, they are serving white peopel
But Chinatown is everywhere ... just joking.
I'm from the Philippines. Trust me, there's nothing to be upset about. We're fine. We're capable of having friendships from both sides.
Not if you are forced to choose. It is not so easy a position to be in.
对。我们可以当朋友中国和美国。This is why im learning Mandarin too。
@@olubibabalola China wouldnt force other countries to choose, but USA will: either with me or with my enemy. ...
remember?
In light of recent events would you like to revise your comment?
@@m1nty99 The revised comment would be: The U.S. is forcing us to choose sides. It's either we're with them or we're enemies.
Loved Kishore's dig at Mearsheimer about having to wear Asian glasses; if this was a debate, Kishore clearly won it because he's Asian and has those glasses on whereas the other one is too America-centric to grasp the complexities of what is really going on in Asia!
traitor kishore ha..
What we Chinese want:
1. Get rich (Everyone on the planet deserves to live a better life.)
2. Keep the money we earned (No one dares rob us again.)
I totally agree with Mr. Mearsheimer on the century of humiliation. This is one of the reasons holds us together nowadays.
Why don't the Chinese government let the other countries live with peace and harmony.. Why you Chinese have border disputes with so many countries.. Why do you claim the entire territory South China Sea.. Why is your government using Dept trap policy on poor Asian and African nations... 🤬🤬
@@sittu24 Why do you guys talk like the last 200 years ARE SO LONG? This is literally just the life of the US. China has been here for THOUSANDS OF YEARS, before US was even born guys. It feels like no one cares about the history of China, and just postulates and summarizes their behaviors based on the only 200 years of US history. It feels SO arrogant
@@Jackthecandlestick 你无法理劝一个顽固分子，中国人已经是世界上最卑微的强者了，游戏规则需要改变，亚洲就是中国的地盘，美洲就是美国的地盘，我们不去抢劫美洲，但是谁也没来亚洲找事
@@Jackthecandlestick I am an American, while I staunchly oppose Chinese efforts in the South China Sea I do understand it and I do respect the Chinese people.
@@mace3632 bro, u simply got played by western brainwashing, what u think US is doing there, while China provides actual historical proof of holdings there
Hey Australian, you are not crippled, walk with your own feet. You don't need British and American to hold you to walk your own destiny.
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You're absolutely correct. Addition, the Western, especially the U.S. & Australia as minion are trying to contains / blocks the raise of China ( naturally ) by and always accustomed to using disgraceful politics and smearing methods to play with almost anything, anyone, anywhere in order to achieve their goals _ regardless of facts, conscience, nature, science, etc. and ultimately. . Just how naive, shameless, farce and nonsense. In short, when a man and girl fall in love with each other, he or she is obsessed by saying most beautiful words with each other .... then gets married. For some reason or a deliberated to force a divorce. Next, one of the conspiracies will make or fabricate the most dirty, nasty or even the most inhuman and immoral things to accuse the other party (maybe a poor victim)! On the other hands, people of the Far East (Chinese) have traditional self-cultivation, received family education at childhood and shame, they have rarely done such a thing to corrupt ( his or her ) themselves reputation, typically their family and clan reputation.**
@@ph1688 do u feel embarrassed when no one reads ur communist propaganda?
@@masterrhythm4596 I read it, ph 1688, I just didn't understand it.
@@masterrhythm4596 im read its, look better more then zionist propaganda in your head.
Australia is providing visas to Hong Kong Chinese who want to retain their human rights. Xi Jinping and his gang have destroyed the 1997 agreement. The Republic of China is still alive and well in Taiwan. It should be restored as the true Sun Yat-Sen founded Government of all of China.
There is no point debating Western people or peole aligned to the western world as they will never have an objective view on the non white world.....The Yellow Peril will always be there!! Respect to Mahbubani...trying make the world a peaceful place!!
The Yellow Peril was about the spread of Communism, and it is as reasonable now as it ever was.
@@philipcrouch How is its spread as reasonable now? Because of China's success? Which countries are lining up eager for communism?
@@dickiesdocos Not where I live. The actions of the CCP are repugnant to people, and we have sufficient liberty for our economy to work fine.
@@philipcrouch China actually is socialism with Chinese characteristic (actually is with strong infusion of capitalism). No more communism. Just they never change the party's name as CCP.
@@smnyhl6241 As Chinese, I totally agree with you. Now China is an absolute capitalist country, but most of the western do not know.
John and Kishore are both realists and great strategic thinkers. Kishore has a clearer view as a 3rd party observer of the US and China competition. US has fallen into the hegemon trap, which resulted in "endless wars". The US can do much better by 1) facilitating technology innovation and excellence, and 2) embarking on a pan-am initiative or hemisphere initiative. Based on immigrant tradition, US can do a lot in the western hemisphere and both North and South Americas.
Why does John think they need to become a regional hegemony? His view of things is so tainted by hawkish American biases.
China has played its game the same for 30 years. Use their huge labor base to outsource all if America's productive capacity to them, use that to fuel GDP growth, which they then turn around and use to build infrastructure for their own people, thereby raising a generation of incredibly smart people who bolster their enormous tech and engineering sector.
Because of that, they now are not reliant on US capital to pursue projects, allowing them to use surplus' they have to give money to other nations disillusioned with America.
Now they have built ports, rail, roads, and all this crucial economic infrastructure while America privatized every social security net they had, resulting in a generation of Americans disenfranchised from their own nation, and because of a lack of investment in public education, the people of America are pretty dumb to be honest.
Now the board is set as China has many positive relations with foreign countries, as well as the infrastructure and currency to defeat the USA without firing a shot.
They need only get more than half the world to switch to their currency, isolate America financially, and squeeze the west with in fighting as western nations decide whether to stay with American dollars and trade routes, or side with China.
America put all of its cards into conventional weapons of war EVEN AFTER THEY INVENTED the device that made conventional war impossible between any nation that has it.
The US isn't going to lose. They already have and now we are just waiting here to see if they proverbially flip the table and kill us all if they can't have their manifest destiny.
@@reviewsfreestyled14 Automation is a really useful thing, especially when I said in that same paragraph that they've been raising a whole damn generation of engineers. Seems like maybe automation was the plan. And the one child policy was only ever for Han Chinese, all other 50 some ethnic demographics I'm China could have more (including Uighurs)
Also, the US literally bullies everyone in a much more aggressive way (see their nearly 800 military bases abroad.) There really is no criticism of China you can make, which the US and western allies haven't committed or have committed fat worse.
Basically John says: No one can dominating Asia and no one can dominating euro but only US can. That is the rule.
@@zeapic8500 "oppressed and killed millions"? how do you know that? ridiculous！
@@zeapic8500 USA killed millions just look at iraq and Afghanistan you keyboard warrior
China is a peaceful country never conltrol any countries they are in for business
he don't know what he is saying an ignorant pretender that he is ha.. and you believe him ha..suckers ha...
Exactly! It's the American way. And many still couldn't see this.
That's the western thinking 😂 you HAVE to dominate the world ! His saying that the Chinese crazy not to !
NO YOU ARE CRAZY THINKING THAT WAY !
When you are a thief, you think everyone else is one too, and silly not to steal when given a chance.
@@Time4Peace aelm tbh, the West is a thief
@Conor Here's a brief crash course on history of conquest. But the meatier stuff is longer in the BBC documentary.
ua-cam.com/video/alJaltUmrGo/v-deo.html
BBC Documentary:
ua-cam.com/video/alJaltUmrGo/v-deo.html
@Conor bruh they litterally fked up iraq and yemen by supplying them with weapon, letting them kill each other. Million of kid died, proceed to convicing the world that they're doing it for democracy and so on aka war propaganda. America has a history of invading and looting oil from other country , u can't deny that i didn't happen lmao. Sending bunch of army into other country xD.
@Conor When you used the word West, it of course refers to key Western European powers which are Britain, France, Portugal, Belgium, Spain, Italy and Germany. That's the bulk of the West, isn't it. And you said the West did not steal? It stole land, people, resources, dignity, humanity, livelihood, all because they have fire power. And then you say it's only a handful of western powers do that? All those countries I mentioned are colonial powers. They are so to extract minerals, oils, agricultural products, labour and land by force directly or indirectly, which is stealing. Learn to see from the eyes of humanity and not from your 'kind' and you can see things better. Yes, Ireland was a victim of colonialism too. The potato famine which killed millions, was a part of that misery.
OMG Kishore Mahbubani . You have earned new fan from me. Though you are indian , Indian news is completely different regarding virus
Kishore is not Indian, he was born and raised in Singapore.
a traitor to his race ha...
I have lived in Asia for a long long time, and I agree with Kishore Mahbubani more. The way the Chinese conduct their business is vastly different from the Western way, the American way.
The moderator should not be called a "moderator". He clearly either intentionally or 'Unknowingly' tries to espouse the western "misrepresentation". He tried to call the covid 19 virus the "Wuhan" virus and tried to call Taiwan formosa etc and never mentioned that it was part of the country of China in its history. Both of which was disputed masterfully by Mr Mahbubani. Thank you. Mr Mahbubani, a lot of education still is needed with these "media" sorts.
The CIS is a thinktank dedicated to liberty. He is moderating it from the perspective of the values espoused by liberals, in the true sense of the word.
Agreed that shows how lowdown bootlicking Australian willing to be dog of the US.
@@engchoonkoay8973 What's wrong with dogs? I've always thought they were a noble animal, but then, we don't eat them in Australia. :)
Philip Crouch stop kidding yourself. Use your eyes to see and ears to listen. Liberty, don’t make me laugh. You don’t know the truth if it slaps you on your face.
Philip Crouch if you want to generalised about China. Maybe you don’t eat dogs, you eat kangaroo........ seriously, you guys murdered the true Australians. The Aborigines!
I really like Kishore's rationale and pragmatic solutions to potential conflicts. No wonder he was a top diplomat in UN security council. Need more peacemakers like him. My salute to you good sir!
Meh, kind of sounds like India'sversion of Neville Chamberlain
John Wayne
I think Kishore has theoretical brilliance in rationalizing & producing solutions to potential conflicts. But, I believe, he is so dazzled by China's exponential rise , that he has overlooked or has not understood CCP'S strategic aims to conquer & dominate the world without firing a shot
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As we all know by now, the
CCP'S has repeatedly used a devious means to achieve its strategic objective: viz. debt- trap for financial colonisation of weak nations in Africa, Asia, Latin Anerica, etc.
What Kishore also seems to ignore is China is regularly using its financial & military firepower to bully etc and dictate terms to weaker nations for trade & infrastructure deals ....these nations, being dependent on China's domination of the global supply chain, often end up surrendering their strategic land or their key infrastructure
assets.
This is economic & financial colonialism imposed by China by devious backdoor methods. .....If Kishore finds this colonisation of the world by China " without firing a shot" a " rationale " way to avoid US intervention & loss of influence in countries of strategic & security interest to USA, then , certainly , China has avoided a potential conflict with US in the SHORT TERM ONLY.
Sooner or later , US will wake up & challenge China aggressively when its long term interests are threatened by China's ( debt trap ) back door colonisation of the world . Hence, Kishore's " pragmatism " to avoid potential conflict between China & US has NO LONG TERM validity.
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@@prongs He's Singaporean
@@rajnikantchande2677Historically, the British and Americans did exactly that ? Only difference is that China beating them at their own game without blood shed. No country is perfect and china not an exception as its already the largest economy in terms of PPP so her rise inevitable. Kishore argument was really about seeking balance through power sharing. China is located in Asia and naturally with their economic might will be the dominant country. The issue right now US refused to relinquished its influence citing democractic freedom..conveniently. Bullied countries around the world that dont share their master slave mentality. Look at UK, Canada and Australia fate by following US footsteps and bidding blindly.
@@prongs After stepping down, he served as a Senior Advisor at NUS during a nine-month sabbatical at various universities, including Harvard University's Ash Center for Democratic Governance and Innovation.[3] He is currently a Distinguished Fellow at the Asia Research Institute.[4]
The difference in cultures between the US and China is the following metaphor:
The US takes an orange, cuts it in half, and uses both sides to juice it until it is dry discarding afterwards. The Chinese takes an orange and study to try find solutions to grow an orange grove to become a partner. In both situations people are the oranges.
The 2 debater Kishore & Mearsheimer exactly depict the Asian outlook & Western outlook of the world. One the Western view points it is the survival of the fittest the stronger one will walloped the weaker one. I am just being candid here the Western always look at winner take all...Asian doesn't look at it this way there is always a path to co-existence which can benefits both....that is being Civilize. That is what former Malaysian PM Mahathir said "We have been China neighbor for thousands of year yet China have never Colonised or Conquered us...but when the Western came via Portuguese, Conquered us withina few yrs" follow by....Dutch, British, French....within a few years there Conquered & Colonised everyone in Asia wow what a revaluation!!!!!
The obvious question of course it's not Can China Rise Peacefully but rather should be Can Western Accept China Rise Peacefully!!!??? just my 2 cents opinion
100% agree
Then. You are smarter than most normals.
@@boycottchyna5400how the USA raised? Steal telants and technology from Europe.
Rised
@@boycottchyna5400 so. China should rise by colonize west? Just like what you kind did before?
Sorry we are civilization. Not barbarian.
I have no doubts Mr. Kishore, a Singaporean Indian being born and bred in multi-culture Singapore that have about 70% Chinese population, understand the Chinese minds better than Mr. Mearsheimer who might have visited Beijing numerous times in his adult years. From what I heard, Mr. Mearsheimer is far from understanding the Chinese. The Chinese believes the Pacific Ocean is big enough for all. China would like to trade with all countries in the world and have safe passages. Unlike USA, they have no interest in hegemonism. After all, they know what is like to be stepped on.
David Soh I think John was exuberant in describing his welcome in the PRC.He was given a due respect as a professor but please don’t overstayed your welcome
This is one of the best debates I have heard on this subject
View this video 1.5 years later, it’s amazing to see how intelligent and far-sighted Mr.Kishore was. He almost accurately predicted everything was going to happen. So entertaining!
intelligent that miser kishore.
Taiwan is officially known as "Formosa"? No Mr. Moderator. Taiwan is officially the "Republic of China".
He was born in 20th century, but his brain was taken from a frozen body from 1700s
I cringed when hearing that colonial bullshit
Officially the r ..., what does officially mean? Is it what UN says, or what most people say? What the business and trade say, production people say.
@@bjorganmorten
Officially means Taiwan's own constitution. Its first line reads:
The National Assembly of the Republic of China, by virtue of the mandate received from the whole body of citizens, in accordance with the teachings bequeathed by Dr. Sun Yat-sen in founding the Republic of China, and in order to consolidate the authority of the State, safeguard the rights of the people, ensure social tranquility, and promote the welfare of the people, do hereby establish this Constitution, to be promulgated throughout the country for faithful and perpetual observance by all.
Imagine if I went to the Kingdom of Norway and declared that Norway is officially known as Vikingland.
When the moderator said the "corona virus was made in China" I already thought how obviously more biased can he be. I'm sure it's not due to ignorance!
Kishore Mahbubani, first time i am listening to Kishore , i give you 10/10 . best speaker . i was worrying you got attacked by John , but you didnt let me down , very smart answer .
@Marc Jackson So what are your beliefs mate?
thenew aust pm scott is an idiot anbecoming another stooge of trump justlike
abe of japan
@Marc Jackson this is how Trump behave and same as the rest of people who follow him
Absolutely, he is the best and smartest diplomat worldwide.
@@kensim8378 yes CCP virus, you may be right.
As soon as the host says “communist regime”, everyone knows he shitted on the name “independent studies”.
Hehe so Australia must be democratical regime
Communist followed by regime is part of the English grammar. Especially in Australian English.
But it is communist reginlme , is it not ?
lol, props to Kishore Mahubani. he already knew the trajectory that this conversation was going to take - a very biased, anti-china stance - and he corrected and addressed switzer's statements politely but swiftly when necesary. it's not even conclusive yet that the virus was "made in china" to use switzer's provocative and slanderous language.
Well done Kishore, You are the only one telling the truth, have my full support!
@Sol太阳 You can't even name the host, Tom Switzer, and Mahbubani's opponent, John Mearsheimer . That's how much attention you paid to the debate. How much credibility does that give you ?
@Sol太阳 and China is fascist regime. Just ask the Uyghurs, Tibetans, Hongkongers and Taiwanese.
😂😂😂😂 this Kishore is such a joke.
This guy is no longer relevant in Singapore.
He just use LKY n the Political Party to make his mark.
He is an armchair leader with NO REAL WORK to his name.
He is just here to sell his book 📖
Has China Won??? 😂😂😂 on his bookshelf.
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@RFC Fung
😂😂😂 you really think his books selling like hot cakes 😂😂😂
Just like print media…books are so 2000.
He is just a cheap saleperson.
His product placement in the background is such a joke.
I think I have more following in my short write up than his…
The thing he discuss in that China book have been discussed by another author.
So don’t worry about me…
@RFC Fung
My education is mine…to continue as long as I am alive.
I did finish my schooling.
You admiring this fellow do reflect on your Education journey.
Just go for better minds.
Chomsky make more sense than this fellow who will go where the Money is.
He does not stand for anything.
The reason I can’t stand him.
My question is.....why US have 200 over biological labs throughout the world and the nations that the labs located is in the dark?
Because the labs are private, and they dont want to be under US control, while in any other country they can do anything they want to.
Same with coronavirus 19.
Just because some american individuals runs to your country, America as a country not responsible for your government to allow them to be on their territories. Ask your government why these labs are on their territiries.
@Heather Larson Democratic labs? Humor of the day!
The only way a kinetic war can be avoided is if China can maintain a credible nuclear deterrence. The Soviet Union was top heavy, she had the nukes but collapsed economically. Right now China is bottom heavy, she has a superior economic base...she must build a military that is commensurate with her economic power.
If China wants to rise peacefully, She must have the military power to Allow her to do so, because the West, America in particular cannot, will not, allow a competing power to rise without the threat of war...China must remove that option by making a kinetic conflict Unacceptable.
Eleven months after your debate, it is getting crystal clear that the predictions made by Professor KM are precisely right.
My ThumbsUp
I DONT KNOW IF CHINA WON OR NOT, BUT KISHORE WON EASILY .
Yeah.. Won lot of money from CCP
@@1980raj YOU think everything is based on money, very shallow minded. OTHER people have intelligence and values, you know.
@@medialcanthus9681 You mean the CCP which cares only money and kills own people right ?
@@1980raj you know you were referring to Kishore so don't pretend.
@@medialcanthus9681 Both him and the evil CCP
It's just sheer arrogance if not racist for a westerner who lives thousands of miles away to think he understands Asia better than an Asian who lives in the region
Arrogant? Yes. Racist? No.
arrogance and racism are the attributes of the middle kingdom.
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You're absolutely correct. Addition, the Western, especially the U.S. & Australia as minion are trying to contain / block the raise of China ( naturally ) by and always accustomed to using disgraceful politics and smearing methods to play with almost anything, anyone, anywhere in order to achieve their goals _ regardless of facts, conscience, nature, science, etc. and ultimately. . Just how naive, shameless, farce and nonsense. In short, when a man and girl fall in love with each other, he or she is obsessed by saying most beautiful words with each other .... then gets married. For some reason or a deliberated to force a divorce. Next, one of the conspiracies will make or fabricate the most dirty, nasty or even the most inhuman and immoral things to accuse the other party (maybe a poor victim)! On the other hands, people of the Far East (Chinese) have traditional self-cultivation, received family education at childhood and shame, they have rarely done such a thing to corrupt ( his or her ) themselves reputation, typically their family and clan reputation.**
what do you expect...? been that way a loooooonnnngggg time
@@Amidat **Since this is the 21st century, everything is globalized and must go forward. Regardless of race, sex, age, religion, stance, rich or poor, small or large country _ peoples need to be friendly, cooperate better to live peacefully and self-refrain any conflicts. Time is not a matter. If there are no enemies, you are deliberately building them, then you will be your own enemy!**.............................
A problematic issue I see with John's argument in this interview is his stance on Taiwan/West relations vs Ukraine/West relations.
When discussing Ukraine, John believes the best way to have avoided the current crisis is for Ukraine to have either remained neutral or went pro-Russia since it's neighbors with Russia.
However, when discussing Taiwan, he believes it's best for Taiwan to side with the West, despite China being its neighbor.
I wonder why the stance is different. I'm guessing it's because John theorizes that Russia would have been OK if Ukraine was just economically friendly with West and not associated with NATO. This is also assuming Russia wouldn't have invaded Ukraine on the basis of the civil war in the east.
But what of Taiwan? Would China have been OK with Taiwan if it was only pro-West economically and didn't have a military relationship with the US?
first thing that would happen is Taiwan became independent is that they will ask the U.S to setup a military base there with Nuclear missile ready. This would be an existential threat. And the Chinese will not let that happen
@@ruoyuli4091 if it's an existential threat when Taiwan is independent, what's stopping them from doing it now?
@@StrongbyLee US wouldn't let that happen, because it is much more valuable for Taiwan to continue to remain as a conflict or bargaining chip. Do you know Sun Tsz's Art of War about defeating enemy without fighting? Look at how Ukraine served as US's pawn in weakening Russia, without US committing much into the war themselves? Then you might understand why US would prefer Taiwan issue to be a loose end.
Mearsheimer is a realist. He sees the world the way it is, not the way we may wish it to be. Staying neutral would have been a viable strategy for Ukraine vis a vis Russia. Finland has done it, same with Sweden. Ukraine was fine staying neutral until 2014. In Taiwan’s case, neutrality is simply not on the table. It’s not a matter of whether Taiwan is aligned with the west or not. Even if it wasn’t, China would want it back. China simply believes Taiwan is theirs. And of course the island holds enormous geostrategic value. Neutrality has never been an option the way it was with the Ukraine.
@@mensrea1251 I agree. I guess after the dissolution of the USSR, Ukraine claimed soverignty and was given it. Taiwan, on the other hand, was founded by an opposition party who engaged in a civil war, and there was no formal ceasefire, and is still considered a part of China.
I wish John would have specified these points because I'm sure it will lead to a lot of confusion in future if the US and China ever fight over Taiwan; it is NOT a sovereign state, so therefore it doesn't have the same right to sovereignty as Ukraine did.
If kishore doesn't give australians the chills, I don't know what would. A person like Kishore takes a lot of delight in making the australians quake in their boots.
Kishore is a paid CCP troll, I am sure there are similar people in Australia
He is blunt, he doesnt sugar coat. Australia has been hyping up "China threat" and the recent behaviours by Australian administration are a great concern to Chinese.
1. Solomon Islands hype up.
2. Nuclear Sub deal with US, which has been rebuked by Keating, is not a defence deal.
3. Various fearmongering Chinese PLA army videos played on media.
4. Lack of diplomatic talks.
So his blunt response that Australia needs to rethink their diplomatic strategy is a perfect response to the question posed by the interviewer who asked him why is China doing trade ban with Australia.
@@Vlog-hu8gb I disagree he is a CCP troll.
Kishore is a realist and an optimist.
Realist because he sees China's growth potential to become an economic super power, he also sees India's growth potential. Mearsheimer says China will try to be a regional hegemony, which I think is not easy, because of the very fact that China is near other great power like Russia which it is heavily dependent, and there's India which also has great potential.
Additionally, he sees as I see, that China doesnt want conflict. China has another 30-50% of development to do. Entering into a military conflict will stall the international trade, look at Ukrainian conflict. China wants peace, peace promotes trade, and right now China is the world factory, its also building BRI trade routes to facilitate trade.
Optimist, knowing the above two points, he is hoping that China would be able to rise peacefully, but the real question is Would US hegemony die peacefully? Like Mearsheimer says US is hell bent on containing China. Right now US is trying to wreck Russia, which is China's "no limit" partner. US is also arming Taiwan, preparing Aus-China conflict, India-China conflict. I would think China's peaceful rise is not possible, because US wouldnt allow it, but Kishore is an optimist and he believes that Chinese administration is capable of tactfully managing US aggressive foreign policy.
Footnote: China brokered a peace deal of a decade long conflict between Saudi and Iran. Reports are Russia is close to brokering Syria-Turkey peace deal. Which would essentially mean stability on Northern Middle East.
@@Vlog-hu8gb We ASEAN countries still vividly remember imperial Japan's cruelty in WW2 and US bombardment of Vietnam war. Even now there always are casaulties from dud bombs and unclear minefield.
American soldiers are not welcome.
@@donparky1812
You still remember a few years of war and forgot centuries of oppression by Western Europeans, who besides other atrocities were involved in trafficking and slave trade of your women for hundreds of years
Mahbubani is a great and intelligent man who is so well known throughout the world. Go Mahbubani go!
If you read all his published works... he had proven right in his forecasts. He is indeed a great man.
Dr Kishore👍
The only reason why I upvoted was because of Kishore.
If the world followed John Mearsheimer's Cold War kind of thinking, we would be doomed to a WWIII and then it will definitely be a lose-lose game all around.
Not at all. China has the ability to reform to include more freedom and flexibility in its system, which would be a net benefit to everyone -- especially Chinese citizens.
Cooperating with a tyrannical government wouldn't be beneficial to anyone.
@@jimluebke3869 ?
Wdym by not at all?
But personally, I think that the Chinese system is already quite flexible. In fact, most people are free. Whether or not Western people understand/are able to comprehend this is up to them, I guess, but it doesn't really matter, because at the end of the day, Chinese people are just living their lives happily.
@@angeliquewu8318 Hong Kong is free? Falun Gong practitioners are free? Christians are free?
Does it ever bother you that you lie so much?
@Jim, I can't stand fools like you, who don't know anything about China... But at the same time you fools think you know better than Chinese people what's happening in China.. Are you guys stupid or what? You don't speak Chinese, you never been to China, only time you ever speak to Chinese is in a restaurant...
The media and govt of your nation can't even tell you the truth about your own nation, they are constantly lying.. But you believe everything they say about China... That's the definition of being an idiot...
Anyway, no one kills more people, destroys more nations than Western democracies, and that's 100% facts.
You went around the world stealing resources, killing people and destroying nations and it never stopped till this day...
But dumb people like you, who don't know their own history, think they have a right to lecture others.. Just STFU, you Western POS...
@@jimluebke3869 Hong Kong enjoy far more Freedom under China
You are just opening your big mouth
You know nothing about Asia and
Asia history
Awesome discussion. The sheer quality of the conversation was tremendous. Coming from an interview of Kishore where the interviewer was the limiting factor, this was a welcome change. In the end, it is not important who won, but how well you played.
read my replies above we filipinos were victims of the chinese mongoloid expansionism...
Jimmy Carter describes America as “the most warlike nation in the history of the world... China has not wasted a single penny on war, and that’s why they’re ahead of us in almost every way.”
Carter then said the U.S. has been at peace for only 16 of its 242 years as a nation. Counting wars, military attacks and military occupations, there have actually only been five years of peace in US history.
China’s peace dividend has allowed and enhanced its economic growth, Carter said. “How many miles of high-speed railroad do we have in this country?” he asked. China has around 18,000 miles (29,000 km) of high speed rail lines while the US has “wasted, I think, $3 trillion” on military spending. According to a November 2018 study by Brown University’s Watson Institute of International and Public Affairs, the US has spent $5.9 trillion waging war in Iraq,
www.telesurtv.net/opinion/Jimmy-Carter-Lectures-Trump-US-Most-Warlike-Nation-in-History-of-the-World-20190418-0020.html
Rafael Acosta you seriously need help. Investing in warfare does not enable financial growth. I thought the US military was bloated when I was serving in Japan. Keeping it at the size it was, was ridiculous and then it expanded. Deep cuts had to be made during the Clinton administration just to save the US economy. Wars by the Bush administration, necessary and unnecessary, placed the USA 🇺🇸 in even greater debt than the ever ridiculous Reagan administration. Where is that force field sci fi worthy technology anyway?
Clearly: total ignorance of the rise of Islam out of Arabia throughout the Middle East, Turkey , Asia etc.
Soviet Union collapsed for same reason.
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The problem with America is that it is losing its military edge. Having that military edge is/would be *by far* better than any "peace divident". Who would you rather "be": someone who can build roads well and fast or someone who can destroy anyone's roads while protecting its own roads?
The book “Has China won?” was published in January. Now it’s June, so I suggest it should be followed by a second addition named “China has won!”
Why 😂
China won the worst country award?
china lost
@@urbanremodel793 China survived and won media propaganda brainwashing attempt on Asia and Europe.
Urban Remodel you are right. Are you going to stop buying any Chinese products ？
Listening to this old discussion, it so real that Meisheimer epitomizes the war mongering USA who
1. Cannot bear to lose its imperialist and hegemonic status when he insist that USA will do anything to contain and destruct China based on fear, jealousy, lies and anger
2. How USA is the king and colonial master of Australia when Australia really did forego its prosperity for security (remember how he threatened, humiliated and cowed Australia in his talk in Australia)when Australians were thwarted from exporting to China and foolishly agreed to an Auskus deal where its prosperity is taken away by US and UK for some outdated subs.
So much for a lap dog Scumo to boot when USA sells to China what Australia abstained from.
Americans had the pleasure of choosing who to run American policies every 4 years which actually are the same regardless of GOP or Demos in charge. They continue to decline and go into poverty, enjoy decaying infrastructures and being ruled by plutocrats.
My respect to Kishore..He is the present and future representation of WORLD PEACE as Meisheimer is the Past as a disrespectful warhog and bully.
Meisheimer is realistic
You're completely wrong on Mearsheimer. He illustrates, as a realist international relations thinker, what in his view Great Powers have done in the past, continue to do in the present and will do in the future. He considers that all the wars the US has fought, or sponsored in the past 30 years have been bad ideas from a policy standpoint; he does not get into morality, that's not what he's talking about. He's a liberal democrat but believes that the US fighting wars to spread liberal doctrine has been a foolhardy foreign policy strategy, that is ideological, not realist. With all due respect, you cannot be at all familiar with him to consider him to be a "war monger".
Fully agree with Kishore on Eastern way of dealing power. Only one conundrum with his theory: how to explain the behavior of Japan during WW II?
Surely Japan was not peaceful internally and tried to conquer to Korean peninsula. However, when the potential power they possess very large, they may change their behavior like Japan back then. In this way, the West especially US has very understandable reason to worry issues may come from Pacific side by project that historical experience.
I don't see any security concern if Austrlia does not join US containment of China. I do see the economy concern if Austrilia Follow US on the containment.
It is maybe a right political decision for these politicians, but it is defientlly a bad governmental decision especially after this crazy pandemic, we will see pretty soon.
weirdo.
wumao
If Australia do not follow uncle Sam. There will be security concern coming from uncle Sam and uncle Sam will screw up its little lap dog.
@@zhangyi5145 Australia will willingly follow the USA because it is the moral and ethical thing to do due to the circumstances. Morality and ethics are a very foreign thing to the CCP and its cadres so I wouldn't expect them to understand. The CCP are sub human scum and must be defeated or the world will never forgive our generation.
Kishore Mahbubani Sir, I have great respect for you listening to you speak. I agree 100% with your thinking. Wish there are more people of your stature.🙏🙏🙏
You mean sucking up to China after being bought sure. The only people liking this are China mainlander's and traitors who has Chinese ancestors staying in foreign countries.
@@jamesmay1375 you re emphasised the fact that the west can't digest the fact Asia is taking over the majority of the geopolitical sphere.
@@acharya8959 Well I'm Asian but not Chinese so you have to be specific which country or part of Asia. Cause most South East Asians and South Asia hate China period .
that ishore miser ha..
He is just broadcasting Chinese propaganda
Australia had been warned months ago. They did not heed Kishore’s advice.
Kishore represents Asian's subtle way of solving complex issues
John M represents white's punitive way of solving simple problems
LOL, name one complex issue Asia has resolved or solved? you mean like ASEAN solving Myanmar now, South Sea China, Taiwan, HK, North Korea, etc.? LMAO. Ignore the China bots here, Asia is going the way of Western Europe in the run up of WW1 and 2.
@@RPSartre01 nope
Kishore is the best!! Much wiser than that old white guy!
racist
@@sheenesteves2167 You Americans are racist too...why did you vote for Trump.
@Katana Sharp You are such an idiot to say trump has made more answers...you are talkimg about a man who doesn't belive in climate chage. I don't have to say anything.
I agree. But try not to be abusive by labelling people old or white. He is a decent guy.
Love this program. Really objective, not so extreme. Good discussion.
Mr Kishore run the America...the world would instantly become beautiful and peaceful! Proud of u and respect to you Mr Kishore.
A M E N
No chance in hell. Their democratic is corrupt. To win election, you need money from vested interest, gun lobbyist, pharmaceutical companies, tech companies, etc. By the time he gets to office, too many documents waiting for him to sign that take away the primary reason why he is in the office in the first place.
@@rmazim500 is
Then the whole world will be colonized by the Han Chinese.
@Marc Jackson Did the British stay in England to keep up the productivity? Also, there are people like Kishore and Biden.
John does not seem to really understand China, and that is going to be a big problem for him to guide the US policies. Reading up on Martin Jacque's When China Rules The World will help you, John. Still respect your works though!
After 3yrs, I am watching this. This is masterpiece. Kishore should join a forecasting team…see how US is tangled with Ukraine and Israel. China has far better vision compared to other countries.
in this case ,nobody win! But I really want to know how Australia feels when he knows that his American brother exports beef to China and makes a lot of money.
A lot of Australians have taken note and realize the U.S. has back stabbed us. So we are now little more sceptical of america and no longer trust like we use to. But we still trust china even less. Having that said, our approval of both superpowers has gone down over the years but we are way more distrusting of china than we are with the united states.
@Black Knight I wasn't asserting that this incident was abnormal nor unexpected when it comes to free trade and the viewpoints weren't in just "my eyes," the general sentiments in respects to China and Australia were recorded statistically, at least to gauge general sentiments. People still view America favourably in relation to China, it's just favourable viewpoints decreased steadily for both countries.
And on the point of "everyone kicks and puts down America," first off, people still view China unfavourably in relation to America, so China still is dealing with the brunt of poor reputation; secondly, this is the natural consequence of all superpowers: scepticism and poor reputation as an abuser of power as well as an opportunist are natural occurrences for all hegemonic powers; thirdly, as Australians, we should be noting the fact that our trade was essentially taken from us; are you suggesting that we should remain quiet and just accept. "Oh it's free trade, that's what we should expect."
We can't do anything against America but at least we should be realistic about international affairs at least for the sake of making decisions as a democracy to garner choices that would serve us, not for other countries.
And a lot of people hate America for good reasons. This didn't just occur out of nowhere...
Black Knight I do don’t care about who you trade with,Just to show that Australia should not be so stupid as to follow the instructions of its big brother from the US
@@MsDiscofever It is the view of the western world
Most countries in Africa Asia Middle East Just do not trust American
Tom if you want to start a sound policy: Start it equally by asking about the "Communist Regime " and refer to USA as "" The America run by the military industrial complex " . Tom that would be a good start.
Largest threat to world peace is the US regime
Vic toews amen amen. Call it by what it really is.
@grimm reaper when it comes to US interest, he speaks sense 😉
good and equal point
Tien Men Square is a good start
I have to say many Singaporean politicians are so knowledgeable, always addressed facts! I like them, so insightful.
John Mearsheimer ......now make me think no matter which school you graduated, as long as you only follow ideology and feelings but not facts, then you will look 50% less smart.
Issue with Australia started way before this.
Australia banned Huawei from their 5G infrastructure without providing any proof.
When you poke your largest customer in the eye, you still expect them to come back and do business with you ?
John: china is becoming more and more powerful, other countries should unite with US to contain it...
Question: what's the logic behind it? I mean US is powerful, why no other countries containing it?
Because they are White and just🙄😁😂😂
What John is doing is terrorizing American allies to enforce them to obey as always. Then he's threatening any potential enemies or rising regional powers. But ruling by fear and intimidation will fail one day when their claws are not as sharp as they was
@@murphymurph8282 where do you get the sense that he's terrorizing allies? Threatening?
I assume you believe in state sovereignty. Are you saying those who ally with us do so under duress? His basic argument for the Ukrainian conflict is that it broke out because the Ukrainians did not act strategically WITH Russia when they have many opportunities to.
In a way, the strategy argument makes sense. Who wouldn't want to align themselves with great powers, even if they're located on the other side of the globe? At the same time, how do you resolve the military issue of countries, because I assume that's what you're referring to be "terrorizing".
Because he is a racist.
@@StrongbyLee cool
As the old saying goes : Don't bite the hand that feeds you !
Then get fed by another hand
@@Andy-PThe irony is that the other hand has not food to feed you. get it ?
@@hanhgoldman Yes I do. There is the rest of the world but in the short term that won't help Australia. It will cost both China & Australia more. In the short term it will cost Australia more but China could lose its economic leverage over Australia.
@Dr Evil My evil deed. Leeching , not feeding is the correct word. it is exactly a self indulging glib tongue and twisting mind of you that has brought you to what you are today.
@Dr Evil my evil friend, continue be who you are. It is not an issue of calling a spade a spade but mistaken a sock as a shoe, . your head as your butt and so for ..
Respect Kishore... just use facts, don't need to use rhetoric and terms like "... regime..." and ".. virus made in..." terms that this CIS moderate is trying to paint a negative narrative or it is just a Fruedian slip of the bias in his mind.
Kishore wins hands down.
China-Thailand relations officially started in November 1975 after years of negotiations. ... China remains as an important ally to Thailand, partly because of its influence and prominence in the region. Thailand participates fully in international and regional organizations. It has developed close ties with other ASEAN members-Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, Singapore, Brunei, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar, and Vietnam-whose foreign and economic ministers hold annual meetings. Blinkin's cut off trip was blamed on covid, but the word is that these countries, ASEAN want nothing to do with the US problems with China. China is their friend. Harris in Vietnam was a disaster and head of Vietnam called in some representative of China right after she left. He also had to tell the press to leave when Harris started to trash China. I mean, in VIETNAM? US dropped Agent Orange on them. China never did anything like that.
mahhir muhammad has rescinded malaysia's contract with china finding it onerous and detrimental to his country and people.
It's like the man who cheated on his wife is always in fear of being cheated on. lol
Thy name "Projection".
yep. they're projecting cos they've done so much colonising, exploiting, pillaging and dominating in the past 100 years. china on the other hand, has done virtually none of that.
@@coroner2141 A.k.a. Trump
@@lowkeyconvert8971 If we are talking about the last 100 years, China didn't really have the capability to do much of colonising, exploiting, pillaging etc.
@@arunsar7893 you are one of the last people who should be defending the west since the indian subcontinent was one of the worst of the exploited.
Why the hell does Taiwan need US to defend herself? If US would just stop poking its nose to others' affairs and stop building military bases, the world would be a less hostile place to live in.
But China has built several military bases in the Pacific and certain Asian countries. Military bases have no other use but to extend military power....
www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/03/china-will-build-string-of-military-bases-around-world-says-pentagon
To me, Kishore is the idealist and Mearsheimer is the realist, and finding the ground in between is perhaps the only way conflict between the US and China might be avoided. That being said, if history is anything to go by, realism is the more reliable approach to understanding how events might actually unfold compared to idealism's approach to understanding how one would like events to unfold! Peace and harmony is what everyone wants even as world powers increase their military capabilities and presence in the full knowledge of that most frustrating of human paradoxes put a classical Western way: 'Sic vis pacem para bellum' - if you want peace, prepare for war, or put a traditional Asian way: 'Attack is the secret of defense; defense is the planning of an attack' - Sun Tzu.
Well said.
Can China rise peacefully?
Thanks Kishore for given the answer accurately. We the Asians are proud to have you for having the indepth historical knowledge of Asia without bias.
My reminder to John Mearsheimer have you ever realised why do CHINA suddenly rises so aggressively? Of course you may not want to admit it, if you do it will be having a slap on your own face as you had already published books praised so highly on your America. Been a patriotic to your own beloved country no one will blames you for that because WE ALL DO.
CHINA had been constantly bullied by the Western Worlds for almost two hundred years. While they were having their own civil wars throughout among their own emperors with each others, than came the Opium wars, the Japanese invasion at the same time with the KMT as well as the Korean war which was in fact China fighting with the Americans.
With all this bullying, discriminating, provocating, interfering, accusations and what not had infact awaken up CHINA to realised Enough is Enough
and with the right leadership within this periods "A NEW CHINA WAS BORN". started off with very severe poverty having just enough to eat and had saviour the hardest period of times and are now abled to stand tall. All this credit goes to those supremacy bullies or else CHINA will still at their mercy.
With this great achievements of CHINA obviously have had created jealousy to the America in many ways. For this very reasons the Americans just cannot tolerate and had started many wicked tricks to discredit CHINA.
Example: The Tibet coup failure, The riots of Hong Kong which had totally failed. The trades wars that cannot penetrate, Xinjiang Human Rights and Genocide which was also a failure. Than came the Cowboy Donald Trump's Wuhan virus with his confidence big smile that this time China will be begging the America for help, but unfortunately to his greatest disappointment CHINA had controlled the spreading so quickky that had made him so frustrated and started to accused China have got no freedom for their peoples and controlled their people's movement with their Lockdown. As he knew this Biological weapon too well if not control will spread like wildfire, than came the boycotting of Xinjiang's cotton, what result has it got back to square one again. So what evils plans has the Americans got now? Let see their Taiwan and India chess games which will fell into their traps.
John Mearsheimer, please from your heart just ask yourself who is the real culprits? Thanks
My observation is that we Asians are outnumbered in this debate hosted by a very close alliance of US. Professor John is reaching his decision with a very clear American way of marshalling the world in the Western way. Sadly this debate has not been fair to the Asian side without accepting the repetitive advice that Kishor asking the West to look at the situation from the Asian Point of View. Nobody wants a war even if they think a friendly Giant has grown in their neighbourhood. The American has been hostile to show the military might in a foreign region Which IT has Not Understood fully.
I agree. John M is just pushing through with such a brief history and very ignorant view
What's wrong with creating alliances? How do you resolve the issue of military conflict? Why even have strategic alliances if there was no physical conflict?
Even if everyone wants love, peace, and prosperity for all, we can't erase history, culture, religion.
Do you believe Taiwan wants to side with the US or China? Perhaps they want to be independent, but China around, do you think that's possible?
What about Ukraine? John has made it clear that Ukraine SHOULD have sided with Russia. That's clearly not a pro-US side. In fact, he states that the West bears the responsibility for the Ukrainian conflict.
@@StrongbyLee The US will never look at Asian states as equal players, even on their closest Asia ally: Japan.
Asia needs unity, we haven't gone to any major war instigated locally. We should maintain that and focus on prosperity and economic growth
Agree. I found John M's pov very tiring. He's american, so it is in his interests to 'contain' china. but that's not in ours at all, as asians in this region.
Kishore Mahbubani says he's speaking as a friend to Australian. He did with his wise and candid words. I only hope more ozzies will listen to him.
*I doubt it. Most Australians don't like the information being conveyed by Kishore because it doesn't match with their very narrow world-view. Sad, actually, as what Kishore said makes a whole lot of sense.*
@@wahyuindrasto8307 So true! And so sad.
@@wahyuindrasto8307 Correction: they are both as with this site Pentecostal Church owned.
Kishore is like a caring father and John is like a naughty child keep saying only I can win.
Mearsheimer: "We could afford to behave in reckless ways." Wars of Aggression, massacre and mayhem? I wonder if all the families of the murdered will get Justice.
What do we think of when we think of the US government? Highly inefficient, gridlock, corporate interests controlling government.
China on the other hand.. states a goal.. and gets it done. No qualms, no bickering. It's just done.
Now isn't there something to be learned here?
Mai Ly Trump fires government watch dogs any time he wants, he punishes whistle blowers and face no consequences. It seems plenty of American people let him do it.
@Mai Ly China is never about dictatorship.
Chinese are well set towards the goal ,they are so fast , well planed, accurate on the track.
Misguided CCP members
Behind the peaceful, white Whitehouse is the ugly face of the wicked greedy oligarchy that is leading the President by his nose.
Initially, when Tom refer China as 'communist regime' or 'communist China', that is already reflect his prejudice and insulting thoughts towards China. China is not governed by a 'regime', but a big group of intelligent administrators. Do not insult superpower, as what Kishore said. Then, his tone is more 'proper'.
So intelligent, they allowed the world to be infected by a pandemic because they were trying to cover up their stuff-ups.
The only "proper" tone to deal with thuggish communists is with contempt. That this is true can be demonstrated by what Taiwan is versus what the CCP is: a successful, modern nation that isn't run by power-hungry thugs who threaten people's families if they don't get their way.
@@philipcrouch how is China responsible for your fuck up? They seem to have contained it with a population of 1,400,000,000 ... what did the rest of the world do? They had at least 2 months head start. How are countries like the USA? Italy? Spain? France? Germany? Or the UK containing the virus? Not easy hey?
@@philipcrouch have you been to China? Not modern? Not successful? Really!
@@philipcrouch The fact is that more than half of Taiwan university students working in China mainland, such good infiltration, I hope Taiwan will success one day!
It would be great to have two blocs. Anglo Saxons exclusively interacting among themselves alone and all the rest being a separate club. Both should be happy with the arrangement.
There are 3 features that China is not- it is not a capitalist country, definitely not a communist country, nor is it a country with military tendencies. It is, as some scholars has coined, a socialist country with Chinese characteristics. It is probably be very good idea that future speakers to use the above mentioned term to describe China.
Kishore speaks very reasonably and diplomatically.
In terms of world view Mearsheimer is a dwarf compared to Kishore. Mearsheimer wrote books. Kishore too wrote books and was also President of the UN Security Council for 2 years. Mearsheimer is a one trick pony with one ideology of two hegemonies. Kishore has seen it all and done it all.
No comparison.
In short, Mearsheimier is a hammer and sees everything as a nail.
Who is this Mearsheimer? Unbelievable how arrogant and blind you can be? Keeps talking about containing China and that's ok but if China retaliates then it is aggressive China. That double standard is so not only obvious but imperialist hubris...
Kishore showed wisdom, Mearsheimer is a pastor trying to lead without wisdom, spreading fake faith expecting zombie to follow. Go fuck the wall pastor for american pastor had so many cases sleeping with people's wife when they turn for confection.
@@guilmarperez4674 Mearsheimer is a Neo Con when all is said and done.
The American hubris and arrogance shines through, and the stupid ozzies never fail to lick their American master's asshole. What stupid fools the Australians are! The Americans will throw the stupid ozzies under the bus in 2 seconds if the Chinese decide to ditch the australian produce and buy american
Kishore is simply brilliant.
You haven't listened to him, stop at 'simp 'and substitute 'le' for 'ly'. He's not brilliant at all, he's been saying the same things for years, the only ones who listen to him are CCP apologists.
Yeah symphatise with CCP narrative only an idiot can't see China's narrative . Only China mainlander's n individual citizens with Chinese ancestry are supporting Kishore crap narrative as he is pushing Chinese supremacy like Hitler pushing Nazi supremacy. The world is suffering thanks to the China's virus which was handled irresponsibly by the communist pigs.
@@vinryan3267 up
@@vinryan3267 agree he's always going off topic on difficult questions and using same examples on multiple interviews and always promoting his book. China stooge.
I’m Chinese, and I think both professors are brilliant. However, miershehimer thinks the way we Chinese deal of century of humanization of colonialism and imperialism is to colonize and invade others. But prof Mabubani believe we Chinese will do ways differently than the capitalist imperialist West, we do it in Taoist way of Hexie, or harmony. Apparently Prof Mabubani knows Chinese history and culture and philosophy better than Miershehimer
Great respect to both researchers, but how can John still seeing the US is in a better economical position and will continue to be one??? This statement is purely emotional not data backed..
USA still has largest economy
Kishore really knows China and knows how the westerners should work out through this turbulent time.
Yes, we need to bow down and do not provoke the Dragon. US is inherently evil and we must humble ourselves and give over our wealth, our way of life and our freedom. F that.
Michaelyn Harris you are so insecure that this is your mentality. China did not ask the US to bow down or give the Chinese all their money. Did China put a gun to the US to give them all their money? US is the one who’s trying to put a choke hold on China.
@@jennylee685 yes I am insecure in knowing that the US China relationship is deep and interdependent much like a marriage
@@michaelynharris4282 ，marriage between China and US ? ! One with civilization of more than 3 thousand years and the other with only about 250 years of history in which 80% were engaged in warfare, starting from CONQUERING of the WEST internally to COLONIZING globally by setting up military bases all over the world!? And then finger pointing to China for so called 'occupation' of Xingiang and Tibet, both of them had established long relationships with China since the HAN dynasty almost 2000 years ago...!!??
Jenny Lee , it’s the USA and the Western country that help China to become developed and rich for the ordinary people. But this good deeds only benefit the CCP. Like I always said, its not the normal Chinese that are evil, it’s the CCP. I guess you are offended by my thinking because you might be one of those people that have connections with the CCP?
it is not correct by saying that Southeast Asian leaders are fearful of China raising power. I have noted a number of Asian leaders have welcome China's investment and its cooperation. Just ask the president of the Philippine.
Kishore is sensible, logical, who spoke frankly and the truth, and on the other hand, John is on the defense who is refusing to accept sensible reasoning, he needs to communicate with the people in SE Asia region with an open mind or maybe he just cannot bear to lose his White European superior status (Been a white American he would have experienced the "the white european superior status"). I am not been rude as I can understand the mentality when I mention "the white european superior status" as this superiority thinking was forged during colonialism and slavery period it is regretfully to say that this thinking and colonialism still largely exist.
Baloney.
John cant, his mindset is that of a usurper, he and his elk will always be uneasy as the asians presence becomes dominant in their one home region Kishore is from the colonised class he understands Johns fears.
It’s a clear win for Kishore by his pronunciation of “Taiwan”.
pronunciation or denunciation ?
There is a big fundamental difference between China and the US. China has a one-party system, People can´t change the party. But the party can change the policy including foreign policy. The US has a multi-party system and people can change the party, but they can´t change the govt policy, particularly foreign policy. Aggressive Foreign policy is almost unchanged almost all of the time. Which is very strange.
John, can you name one superpower who stayed on top forever?
None, but China last longest as No.1, China is just going back to No.1. Uncle Sam, please get out of the way and we need a fair competition.
US history is short - so he doesn't understand that
@@user-gf6ej9rz8p Please get out the way. I think you have a good point. America won't so China will have to fight to become No1 else remain No 2. Whats wrong with being No2?
I agree. But I don't think china will get it. Not without a war. You have to remember China GDP is 12.5 trillion annually. And have 1.4 billion people. The US have 19 trillion GDP and only 330 million people. The US is not only 6 trillion annually richer than China. But also have a larger GDP per capita. Meaning they can out match China if it awakens
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The moderator is partisan when he proclaimed the virus made in China. Kishore rightly pointed out that it merely was 1st discovered there. If u want more respect, do not use words to spin your veiled attacks based on your obvious inclinations. And make statements that are proven facts instead of oft-repeated accusations.
the virus was manufactured by Shi Ziang Li and was published in the journal NATURE in 2015.
@@DipakBose-bq1vv the virus was manufactured by Kenneth M. Rhymer and was published in the journal The Lancet in 2009!
The man knew the scientific views but chose to quote the false accusation that it leaked out from a Wuhan lab. He is blatantly a China basher.
the moderator literally ran for parliament for the LNP (conservative party) and the CIS is literally a right wing libertarian think tank so to say that this guy is partisan is an understatement
What, the Kung Flu isn't a China virus / China plague?
I respect both of the speakers with valid points on both sides.
If you follow Mearsheimer's earlier works he talks about why leaders lie and one reason is to build a case for war. I wonder how much is fear mongering and threat inflation against China and how this can become a self fulfilling prophecy.
Mearsheimer also proposed a solution with Ukraine whereby it remains a buffer between Russia and Europe and abandons any ideas of joining NATO (which would have brought NATO right up to Russia's doorstep). The idea being Putin would feel less threatened by Nato expansion and it could de-escalate both sides, Could the same be said of Taiwan? The more Taiwan talks of independence the more threatened China will feel and the tensions rise. Is it better to maintain status quo and pull back on the independence rhetoric to de-escalate? It's not fair or ideal for the Taiwanese who want independence but realistically it might be better for peace in the region and avoiding a war.
An international inquiry should look into the extermination & genocide of indigenous people of Australia. 😢😢😢
54:06 John: “America is an incredibly rich country“. How arrogant you have to be saying that with audacity, my goodness, how many trillions in debt? Without the ability to print money and letting the world to shoulder the mighty $, it would be bankrupted many times over.
I agree with you, the US almost bankrupted if it wasn't for China helping the US during the 2008 financial crisis. The American's never mention any about that.
:@@Lotus.F You are correct, mind you this site is owned or the property of the Pentecostal Church & they only view their followers.
There is no limit to printing money and passing on inflation to other developing countries, as the us has done before.
It's not as simple as that I'm afraid. The extent of US debt is a reflection of its enormous power, economically, politically, militarily and technologically. You know creditors have a choice over who they wish to lend to.
Will James obviously, but do you think the productivity of US workers resulted in the high standard of living? There is no way that is the case. We enjoy the high standard of living is based on the dollar being a reserve currency everyone on the earth have to use for trade, that enables us to print money as we wish without worrying the consequences. When we import from China and enjoy that half trillion deficits we simply print the paper money and get the goods.
The underlining question that was not mentioned, Who or what is going to contain the USA.
Ivo Ferreira @UCARQi8EXSotPjub7aIrhc9g "This channel doesn't have any content"
It seems the 50 cent army hard a work in the comments section in this video, so many profiles with nothing in them at all.
Good question. Even American study concluded USA government is the biggest threat to world peace, is a clear and present danger to earth, and will likely cause an extinction level event.
Don't ask Australia. It is too oppressed to even dare to ask.
what ? ha..
I get both sides here. What I would do if I were living in that part of Asia and were told that one of my neighbors is a growing threat is to pay attention on what is going on in my country and area.
Are there any changes made that would suggest my way of life is changing for the worst and if so, can I determine the cause of it and can I see anything that wold prove foreign involvement?
What is the general atmosphere in my area and country? Can I feel tension or anything negative in my community and if so can I determine the source and is there anything leading me to an external source?
Looking at the broader geography, can I see any activity that would allow or in any way enable an outside actor to use violence against me effectively?
Finally, I would try to look at what is happening in my broader region be it diplomatic, economic, militaristic or otherwise that could lead to future developments that would disadvantage or endanger my ability to protect or improve my way of life?
Prime minister Modi should sit with Prof Kishore and learn how to improve relations with China. It will be a win win situation for both Asian powers.
Kishore share a same sense with me about the anti China agenda in Australia. My godness Sky News Australia insists on anti China narrative meanwhile Sky News UK practice journalism neutrally and progressively
You are aware that China commenced a trade and cyber war with Australia a bit before your post. Around 70 % of Australians regard China as a threat ? Why ? You can work it out
How did NATO Alliance worked out in Afghanistan???
It's great to be back with you.😊🎉
Kishor - you are the true guru on geopolitics. I am educated every time when watch your speeches.
John - Cold War is long gone, entire world has moved on. Time to retire.
Tom - your Australia wanted an enemy and you got one, a big one! Congratulations!
I think Kishore has been forced to excel himself. Containment, containment , containment. I have never before heard it stated so explicitely by Meirsheimer. So China must accept the USA as funnily "a regional hegemon" in "the world" and not rise to challenge the USA. China must know its place and be like Japan and S Korea subservient to the USA forever? Has Meirsheimer lost his mind?
I don't think that Meirsheimer is saying that American containment of China is the ideal situation. I think he's arguing from a realist's perspective that says whether it's the right thing to do or not, it's what the U.S. is going to try to do.
I think the argument would have some merit if the PRC wasn't run by the most thuggish dictatorship that blends the worst of radical Left and Right into its politics: the opposition to religious faith and the international imperialistic ambitions of the Communist Left, and the ethnically rooted ultranationalism under a dictator for life of the Fascist Right. I don't oppose China rising, per se: I oppose the influence of what can only be described as the evil Chinese Communist Party from gaining a greater foothold in international politics.
Alan Friesen, that’s exactly it. Hugh White of Australia says it’s not going to work and that the US will eventually withdraw from Asia. I tend to agree with Hugh because the US will not be able to build a containment coalition. The US tried already with TPP and led its partners down the primrose path for a decade only to withdraw at the last minute. So in Vietnam for example, the conservative pro China camp has gained power over the liberal pro America side.
@@richiesd1 Time changes perceptions: the perception in the Obama era was that the USA had gone a bit soft despite its rhetoric. Trump has altered that perspective, although he also did some damage with allies. Essentially, all that Australia needs is time to develop a nuclear deterrent. We have heaps of Uranium, we have good physicists. As long as the US remains firm until we can do so, we could be more self reliant, in defence terms, if it withdraws from the region. That would make it far harder for the CCP to exert military force in our direction, and strengthen our diplomacy.
Philip Crouch, if you read Hugh White, you will see that he’s advocating a go-it-alone way for Australia. That would mean more military spending at great cost. I don’t think nuclear weapons, but a stronger defense for sure.
The USA will withdraw so it would be a mistake to do the bidding of America’s geopolitical ambitions. Australia needs to find a way that is neither pro USA or China. That’s actually safer for Australia because Australia is geographically in Asia.
Here’s another talk with Mearsheimer and White
ua-cam.com/video/oRlt1vbnXhQ/v-deo.html
Why Australia keeps provoking China? If we look back at all the recent issues between Australia anfmd China, it's always Australia that start picking a fight.
Australia is America‘s bitch.
Internet freedom:Some people of Australia provoked by social media.
Multi-party system : US can support Australia's Pro-US party against China
Freedom of the press : Australian media are supported by American capital, and of course they are controlled by American capital.
At the same time, think about the U.S. military base in Australia. The United States tells Australians that China is a villain through newspapers, television and social media. People are the foundation of politics. As a result:
Politically, Australia is a puppy of the United States. The United States asked Australia to do sth, Australia has little ability to oppose it , even if it is not in Australia's interest.
Didn’t Napoleon allegedly compare China to a sleeping giant/lion that shouldn’t be woken? Now that it’s awake. At least don’t poke it.
I like these 2 guys. I've been watching them for a while now. They have legitimate answers. They don't play one side.
Great Job Kismore!! Love your debate, I appreciate your intelligence and reasoning for peace.