hahah, right, China never wants to invade other countries, but USA navy and air force always enter south China sea and Esten China sea to make trouble.
yes, and for that China would need to reach venezuela and cuba - help these nations develop nuclear weapons and create problems for china in its own hemisphere. help argentina develop weapons to take back falklands the five eyes need to be taught a lesson.
@martinsaint, give me the figures idiot! The birth rate was around 1.3-1. 5% in the last decade in China! giving birth overseas accounts for only less than 0.001% in the last decade, part of which are for individual family reasons.....!!
Yes the normal Chinese not the CCP that works hard. I hope you do know that all the rich people in China are well connected with the CCP. I think you are one of them or are working for the CCP, yes ?
** You're absolutely correct. Addition, the Western, especially the U.S. & Australia as minion are trying to contains / blocks the raise of China ( naturally ) by and always accustomed to using disgraceful politics and smearing methods to play with almost anything, anyone, anywhere in order to achieve their goals _ regardless of facts, conscience, nature, science, etc. and ultimately. . Just how naive, shameless, farce and nonsense. In short, when a man and girl fall in love with each other, he or she is obsessed by saying most beautiful words with each other .... then gets married. For some reason or a deliberated to force a divorce. Next, one of the conspiracies will make or fabricate the most dirty, nasty or even the most inhuman and immoral things to accuse the other party (maybe a poor victim)! On the other hands, people of the Far East (Chinese) have traditional self-cultivation, received family education at childhood and shame, they have rarely done such a thing to corrupt ( his or her ) themselves reputation, typically their family and clan reputation.**
I may be wrong but 8min in, John & Kishore have already demonstrated the key differences between western and eastern thinking. Kishore put this very succinctly - back when China was the absolute dominating force in the world, it had no motivation to control/colonize other regions the way the western nations did. It is simply not the dominating thought in the Chinese mindset to control others unless it feels threatened and do so out of self defense. John on the other hand, "China would be crazy to not dominate Asia the way U.S. has dominated the western hemisphere..." case in point. Please don't project your bias/inclinations onto the eastern mind.
yup. China had enough trouble keeping it together and the lands w/ best lands were within China (before the use of oil, industrial revolution, etc). Anywhere they might go was either rocks, tundra, jungle, desert, etc. John Mearsheimer needs to respond to this point. Although, the Manchu expansion into Tibet could be considered hegemony, don't think they understood control of water sources back then. However, he does have a point (maybe from another vid, get them mixed up now) that intentions don't matter; a hegemon such as the US needs to be wary of capabilities because you never know what kinda nutjob could come in power some day (as happened in Germany a couple times).
Yes, it is surprised to hear that from John, he still have the mindset that China want to conquer or dominate the world like the West. and the example of he mentioned US won over Germany, Nazi, Japan, Soviet Union, all those 4 power is crazy for power. But China isnt going that way, China is totally different kind of competitor that US has never met.
You nailed it . It’s the USA mentality if professor Mersheiner who posses a tiny rock on his shoes and it bothers him China is peaceful America is the agressive just look in the Middle East . Nobody wants us there
I watch this because of Kishore. Without him, it is a waste of my time. I am from south east Asia but we are not afraid of China. Please get this right.
Kishore speaks with humility whereas John subscribes himself to a flawed view of the international political scene from the American point of view. Let us not forgot that Russian leaders have adamantly opposed NATO enlargement in Europe especially Ukraine and the US role in the Middle East has always expanded now in the South China Sea. John is more on offensive realism which seeks power and influence to achieve security through domination and hegemony. That is why he favours containment.
@@yuanhaochue2889 Why is it that China has no friends apart from perhaps Pakistan and this in itself speaks volumes. Going around the world threatening economic reprisals for not towing the party line and kowtowing to their world view is hardly conducive to mutual prosperity, Throw in the blatant malign influence of domestic manipulation and you have the 3 legs of terror.
@@christopherbegley6461 how do u define friends, in comparison US has many allies partly because trade n military nights to protect them ..do u see that US is screwing up its allies including Canada because of trade, the gas pipe line, Norm Pipeline from Russia to Germany, US were protector of Imperial Shah of Iran as well as The most corrupt fascist, Marcos of Philippines, the most notorious war criminal of Japan that has yet to officially apologies for Comfort Women issue that was given the Chinese Diaoyu Island as a premeditated tactical scheme to contain China... 130 nations has China as the biggest trading partners while Australia has 36% export depending on China that amounting US, Japan and UK total, and next election, Morrison will need to pacify the voters either to go to war with US against China or negotiate trade ! Unless you understand Chinese culture, " a true friend will not do to others, what you do not want others to do unto you!"...the Belt & Road Initiatives, 140 nations have signed up.. geopolitics has no permanent friends, a friend in need is a friend indeed!.. having the benefits of enjoying the best of 2 worlds, Eastern culture n Western education, most of us should have better ideas and manifest the eco systems to make friends base on mutual understanding, mutual respect and most important mutual expectation to forge a shared win win prosperity for world communities..
@@christopherbegley6461 in real geopolitics within the context of Western dominated democracy, a uniquely Socialist state has no other choice but using economics while US has 3 unipolar power base. Fiat n Swift financial systems. Military industrial complex and Western dominated propaganda machinery/platform and Australia as its mouth piece, Google. FACEBOOK. UA-cam CHANNELS... while China has the flexibility of financial capability/capacity to initiate Asian Infrastructure Development Bank, yet the West classify as Debt Trap, mind you China has no choice but to develop its capacity n capability in infra structure to one level above others in terms of technology and cheaper cost to compete, has to show case its Green energy and Regreening the dessert to demonstrate its equitable share of worldly good, most important of all having up lifted 800 million Chinese from abject poverty, mitigated constructively during the 2008 world financial crisis are benevolent contribution to humanity and world property.. albeit the continuous abuse of sustainability by extravagance in living standard by the West unabated... Think rationally about the Western based ignorance and arrogance!
Jimmy Carter describes America as “the most warlike nation in the history of the world... China has not wasted a single penny on war, and that’s why they’re ahead of us in almost every way.” Carter then said the U.S. has been at peace for only 16 of its 242 years as a nation. Counting wars, military attacks and military occupations, there have actually only been five years of peace in US history. China’s peace dividend has allowed and enhanced its economic growth, Carter said. “How many miles of high-speed railroad do we have in this country?” he asked. China has around 18,000 miles (29,000 km) of high speed rail lines while the US has “wasted, I think, $3 trillion” on military spending. According to a November 2018 study by Brown University’s Watson Institute of International and Public Affairs, the US has spent $5.9 trillion waging war in Iraq, www.telesurtv.net/opinion/Jimmy-Carter-Lectures-Trump-US-Most-Warlike-Nation-in-History-of-the-World-20190418-0020.html
Rafael Acosta you seriously need help. Investing in warfare does not enable financial growth. I thought the US military was bloated when I was serving in Japan. Keeping it at the size it was, was ridiculous and then it expanded. Deep cuts had to be made during the Clinton administration just to save the US economy. Wars by the Bush administration, necessary and unnecessary, placed the USA 🇺🇸 in even greater debt than the ever ridiculous Reagan administration. Where is that force field sci fi worthy technology anyway?
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The problem with America is that it is losing its military edge. Having that military edge is/would be *by far* better than any "peace divident". Who would you rather "be": someone who can build roads well and fast or someone who can destroy anyone's roads while protecting its own roads?
If you are implying Mearsheimer is supporting US hegemony, you need to hear his all other lectures especially on Russia and Ukraine. He is a realist through and through. The Indian origin sellout is exactly that, that's why you may be thinking otherwise.
@@Captain_Sosuke_Aizen That's because he think Russia is not their major competitor. He want the US and Russia should be on the same side to contain China. He think it is not in the ukrainian's interest to alliances with America to provoke Russia. At the same time, he think it is in Australia's, Japan's, and especially Taiwan's interest to provoke China. He is not objective, because he is on the US side.
** You're absolutely correct. Addition, the Western, especially the U.S. & Australia as minion are trying to contains / blocks the raise of China ( naturally ) by and always accustomed to using disgraceful politics and smearing methods to play with almost anything, anyone, anywhere in order to achieve their goals _ regardless of facts, conscience, nature, science, etc. and ultimately. . Just how naive, shameless, farce and nonsense. In short, when a man and girl fall in love with each other, he or she is obsessed by saying most beautiful words with each other .... then gets married. For some reason or a deliberated to force a divorce. Next, one of the conspiracies will make or fabricate the most dirty, nasty or even the most inhuman and immoral things to accuse the other party (maybe a poor victim)! On the other hands, people of the Far East (Chinese) have traditional self-cultivation, received family education at childhood and shame, they have rarely done such a thing to corrupt ( his or her ) themselves reputation, typically their family and clan reputation.**
Australia is providing visas to Hong Kong Chinese who want to retain their human rights. Xi Jinping and his gang have destroyed the 1997 agreement. The Republic of China is still alive and well in Taiwan. It should be restored as the true Sun Yat-Sen founded Government of all of China.
There is no point debating Western people or peole aligned to the western world as they will never have an objective view on the non white world.....The Yellow Peril will always be there!! Respect to Mahbubani...trying make the world a peaceful place!!
@@listsforthecurious China actually is socialism with Chinese characteristic (actually is with strong infusion of capitalism). No more communism. Just they never change the party's name as CCP.
I really like Kishore's rationale and pragmatic solutions to potential conflicts. No wonder he was a top diplomat in UN security council. Need more peacemakers like him. My salute to you good sir!
John Wayne I think Kishore has theoretical brilliance in rationalizing & producing solutions to potential conflicts. But, I believe, he is so dazzled by China's exponential rise , that he has overlooked or has not understood CCP'S strategic aims to conquer & dominate the world without firing a shot . As we all know by now, the CCP'S has repeatedly used a devious means to achieve its strategic objective: viz. debt- trap for financial colonisation of weak nations in Africa, Asia, Latin Anerica, etc. What Kishore also seems to ignore is China is regularly using its financial & military firepower to bully etc and dictate terms to weaker nations for trade & infrastructure deals ....these nations, being dependent on China's domination of the global supply chain, often end up surrendering their strategic land or their key infrastructure assets. This is economic & financial colonialism imposed by China by devious backdoor methods. .....If Kishore finds this colonisation of the world by China " without firing a shot" a " rationale " way to avoid US intervention & loss of influence in countries of strategic & security interest to USA, then , certainly , China has avoided a potential conflict with US in the SHORT TERM ONLY. Sooner or later , US will wake up & challenge China aggressively when its long term interests are threatened by China's ( debt trap ) back door colonisation of the world . Hence, Kishore's " pragmatism " to avoid potential conflict between China & US has NO LONG TERM validity. 4.9.20
@@rajnikantchande2677Historically, the British and Americans did exactly that ? Only difference is that China beating them at their own game without blood shed. No country is perfect and china not an exception as its already the largest economy in terms of PPP so her rise inevitable. Kishore argument was really about seeking balance through power sharing. China is located in Asia and naturally with their economic might will be the dominant country. The issue right now US refused to relinquished its influence citing democractic freedom..conveniently. Bullied countries around the world that dont share their master slave mentality. Look at UK, Canada and Australia fate by following US footsteps and bidding blindly.
@@prongs After stepping down, he served as a Senior Advisor at NUS during a nine-month sabbatical at various universities, including Harvard University's Ash Center for Democratic Governance and Innovation.[3] He is currently a Distinguished Fellow at the Asia Research Institute.[4]
John Mearsheimer's argument for why the US are going to win: we always won before, we will win again. I think that is the point at which all great empires collapsed...
John Mearsheimer: US will win because US won before Kishore Mahbubani: China will raise peacefully because China was peaceful before Me: GME price will raise because it raised before 🙈
John is a briiliant student and teacher, but his perspective is clearly skewed; his presumption is that all world powers behave the same way is flawed and incorrect. Take off your American "we are the only superpower" glasses and see 5000 years of Chinese history. China ain't a wannabe America. Kishore has a more balanced perspective..
I don't see any security concern if Austrlia does not join US containment of China. I do see the economy concern if Austrilia Follow US on the containment.
It is maybe a right political decision for these politicians, but it is defientlly a bad governmental decision especially after this crazy pandemic, we will see pretty soon.
@@zhangyi5145 Australia will willingly follow the USA because it is the moral and ethical thing to do due to the circumstances. Morality and ethics are a very foreign thing to the CCP and its cadres so I wouldn't expect them to understand. The CCP are sub human scum and must be defeated or the world will never forgive our generation.
@Conor Here's a brief crash course on history of conquest. But the meatier stuff is longer in the BBC documentary. ua-cam.com/video/alJaltUmrGo/v-deo.html BBC Documentary: ua-cam.com/video/alJaltUmrGo/v-deo.html
@Conor bruh they litterally fked up iraq and yemen by supplying them with weapon, letting them kill each other. Million of kid died, proceed to convicing the world that they're doing it for democracy and so on aka war propaganda. America has a history of invading and looting oil from other country , u can't deny that i didn't happen lmao. Sending bunch of army into other country xD.
@Conor When you used the word West, it of course refers to key Western European powers which are Britain, France, Portugal, Belgium, Spain, Italy and Germany. That's the bulk of the West, isn't it. And you said the West did not steal? It stole land, people, resources, dignity, humanity, livelihood, all because they have fire power. And then you say it's only a handful of western powers do that? All those countries I mentioned are colonial powers. They are so to extract minerals, oils, agricultural products, labour and land by force directly or indirectly, which is stealing. Learn to see from the eyes of humanity and not from your 'kind' and you can see things better. Yes, Ireland was a victim of colonialism too. The potato famine which killed millions, was a part of that misery.
The moderator should not be called a "moderator". He clearly either intentionally or 'Unknowingly' tries to espouse the western "misrepresentation". He tried to call the covid 19 virus the "Wuhan" virus and tried to call Taiwan formosa etc and never mentioned that it was part of the country of China in its history. Both of which was disputed masterfully by Mr Mahbubani. Thank you. Mr Mahbubani, a lot of education still is needed with these "media" sorts.
The CIS is a thinktank dedicated to liberty. He is moderating it from the perspective of the values espoused by liberals, in the true sense of the word.
Philip Crouch stop kidding yourself. Use your eyes to see and ears to listen. Liberty, don’t make me laugh. You don’t know the truth if it slaps you on your face.
Philip Crouch if you want to generalised about China. Maybe you don’t eat dogs, you eat kangaroo........ seriously, you guys murdered the true Australians. The Aborigines!
Loved Kishore's dig at Mearsheimer about having to wear Asian glasses; if this was a debate, Kishore clearly won it because he's Asian and has those glasses on whereas the other one is too America-centric to grasp the complexities of what is really going on in Asia!
Because the labs are private, and they dont want to be under US control, while in any other country they can do anything they want to. Same with coronavirus 19. Just because some american individuals runs to your country, America as a country not responsible for your government to allow them to be on their territories. Ask your government why these labs are on their territiries.
Because it's much easier to protect Canada than Australia in the eye of America, Hence "Australia is in Asia, not Canada". And it's easier doing business with Asian countries than Americans in the eye of Australia. It's a double-edged sword if you're in Australia. Everyone knew what Kishore was talking about, maybe not you.
@@HKChineseCanadian If Canada fulfils your wish to " move away from America ", which country would accept Canada's vast exports diverted from USA ? Currently Canada also exports substantial crude oil via a pipeline from Alberta to an oil terminal on the US gulf coast. The only buyer of this oil would be China, but that would need a new pipeline from Alberta to Vancouver BC. Such a pipeline approval would be impossible on environmental grounds.
Kishore Mahbubani, first time i am listening to Kishore , i give you 10/10 . best speaker . i was worrying you got attacked by John , but you didnt let me down , very smart answer .
What we Chinese want: 1. Get rich (Everyone on the planet deserves to live a better life.) 2. Keep the money we earned (No one dares rob us again.) I totally agree with Mr. Mearsheimer on the century of humiliation. This is one of the reasons holds us together nowadays.
Why don't the Chinese government let the other countries live with peace and harmony.. Why you Chinese have border disputes with so many countries.. Why do you claim the entire territory South China Sea.. Why is your government using Dept trap policy on poor Asian and African nations... 🤬🤬
@@sittu24 Why do you guys talk like the last 200 years ARE SO LONG? This is literally just the life of the US. China has been here for THOUSANDS OF YEARS, before US was even born guys. It feels like no one cares about the history of China, and just postulates and summarizes their behaviors based on the only 200 years of US history. It feels SO arrogant
@@Jackthecandlestick I am an American, while I staunchly oppose Chinese efforts in the South China Sea I do understand it and I do respect the Chinese people.
@@mace3632 bro, u simply got played by western brainwashing, what u think US is doing there, while China provides actual historical proof of holdings there
The obvious question of course it's not Can China Rise Peacefully but rather should be Can Western Accept China Rise Peacefully!!!??? just my 2 cents opinion
Tom if you want to start a sound policy: Start it equally by asking about the "Communist Regime " and refer to USA as "" The America run by the military industrial complex " . Tom that would be a good start.
John and Kishore are both realists and great strategic thinkers. Kishore has a clearer view as a 3rd party observer of the US and China competition. US has fallen into the hegemon trap, which resulted in "endless wars". The US can do much better by 1) facilitating technology innovation and excellence, and 2) embarking on a pan-am initiative or hemisphere initiative. Based on immigrant tradition, US can do a lot in the western hemisphere and both North and South Americas.
@Sol太阳 You can't even name the host, Tom Switzer, and Mahbubani's opponent, John Mearsheimer . That's how much attention you paid to the debate. How much credibility does that give you ?
😂😂😂😂 this Kishore is such a joke. This guy is no longer relevant in Singapore. He just use LKY n the Political Party to make his mark. He is an armchair leader with NO REAL WORK to his name. He is just here to sell his book 📖 Has China Won??? 😂😂😂 on his bookshelf. 👍👍👍👏👏👏 best product placing EVER 😉
@RFC Fung 😂😂😂 you really think his books selling like hot cakes 😂😂😂 Just like print media…books are so 2000. He is just a cheap saleperson. His product placement in the background is such a joke. I think I have more following in my short write up than his… The thing he discuss in that China book have been discussed by another author. So don’t worry about me…
@RFC Fung My education is mine…to continue as long as I am alive. I did finish my schooling. You admiring this fellow do reflect on your Education journey. Just go for better minds. Chomsky make more sense than this fellow who will go where the Money is. He does not stand for anything. The reason I can’t stand him.
Why does John think they need to become a regional hegemony? His view of things is so tainted by hawkish American biases. China has played its game the same for 30 years. Use their huge labor base to outsource all if America's productive capacity to them, use that to fuel GDP growth, which they then turn around and use to build infrastructure for their own people, thereby raising a generation of incredibly smart people who bolster their enormous tech and engineering sector. Because of that, they now are not reliant on US capital to pursue projects, allowing them to use surplus' they have to give money to other nations disillusioned with America. Now they have built ports, rail, roads, and all this crucial economic infrastructure while America privatized every social security net they had, resulting in a generation of Americans disenfranchised from their own nation, and because of a lack of investment in public education, the people of America are pretty dumb to be honest. Now the board is set as China has many positive relations with foreign countries, as well as the infrastructure and currency to defeat the USA without firing a shot. They need only get more than half the world to switch to their currency, isolate America financially, and squeeze the west with in fighting as western nations decide whether to stay with American dollars and trade routes, or side with China. America put all of its cards into conventional weapons of war EVEN AFTER THEY INVENTED the device that made conventional war impossible between any nation that has it. The US isn't going to lose. They already have and now we are just waiting here to see if they proverbially flip the table and kill us all if they can't have their manifest destiny.
@@reviewsfreestyled14 Automation is a really useful thing, especially when I said in that same paragraph that they've been raising a whole damn generation of engineers. Seems like maybe automation was the plan. And the one child policy was only ever for Han Chinese, all other 50 some ethnic demographics I'm China could have more (including Uighurs) Also, the US literally bullies everyone in a much more aggressive way (see their nearly 800 military bases abroad.) There really is no criticism of China you can make, which the US and western allies haven't committed or have committed fat worse.
I have no doubts Mr. Kishore, a Singaporean Indian being born and bred in multi-culture Singapore that have about 70% Chinese population, understand the Chinese minds better than Mr. Mearsheimer who might have visited Beijing numerous times in his adult years. From what I heard, Mr. Mearsheimer is far from understanding the Chinese. The Chinese believes the Pacific Ocean is big enough for all. China would like to trade with all countries in the world and have safe passages. Unlike USA, they have no interest in hegemonism. After all, they know what is like to be stepped on.
David Soh I think John was exuberant in describing his welcome in the PRC.He was given a due respect as a professor but please don’t overstayed your welcome
What do we think of when we think of the US government? Highly inefficient, gridlock, corporate interests controlling government. China on the other hand.. states a goal.. and gets it done. No qualms, no bickering. It's just done. Now isn't there something to be learned here?
Mai Ly Trump fires government watch dogs any time he wants, he punishes whistle blowers and face no consequences. It seems plenty of American people let him do it.
The difference in cultures between the US and China is the following metaphor: The US takes an orange, cuts it in half, and uses both sides to juice it until it is dry discarding afterwards. The Chinese takes an orange and study to try find solutions to grow an orange grove to become a partner. In both situations people are the oranges.
@@bjorganmorten Officially means Taiwan's own constitution. Its first line reads: The National Assembly of the Republic of China, by virtue of the mandate received from the whole body of citizens, in accordance with the teachings bequeathed by Dr. Sun Yat-sen in founding the Republic of China, and in order to consolidate the authority of the State, safeguard the rights of the people, ensure social tranquility, and promote the welfare of the people, do hereby establish this Constitution, to be promulgated throughout the country for faithful and perpetual observance by all. Imagine if I went to the Kingdom of Norway and declared that Norway is officially known as Vikingland.
When the moderator said the "corona virus was made in China" I already thought how obviously more biased can he be. I'm sure it's not due to ignorance!
in this case ,nobody win! But I really want to know how Australia feels when he knows that his American brother exports beef to China and makes a lot of money.
A lot of Australians have taken note and realize the U.S. has back stabbed us. So we are now little more sceptical of america and no longer trust like we use to. But we still trust china even less. Having that said, our approval of both superpowers has gone down over the years but we are way more distrusting of china than we are with the united states.
@Black Knight I wasn't asserting that this incident was abnormal nor unexpected when it comes to free trade and the viewpoints weren't in just "my eyes," the general sentiments in respects to China and Australia were recorded statistically, at least to gauge general sentiments. People still view America favourably in relation to China, it's just favourable viewpoints decreased steadily for both countries. And on the point of "everyone kicks and puts down America," first off, people still view China unfavourably in relation to America, so China still is dealing with the brunt of poor reputation; secondly, this is the natural consequence of all superpowers: scepticism and poor reputation as an abuser of power as well as an opportunist are natural occurrences for all hegemonic powers; thirdly, as Australians, we should be noting the fact that our trade was essentially taken from us; are you suggesting that we should remain quiet and just accept. "Oh it's free trade, that's what we should expect." We can't do anything against America but at least we should be realistic about international affairs at least for the sake of making decisions as a democracy to garner choices that would serve us, not for other countries. And a lot of people hate America for good reasons. This didn't just occur out of nowhere...
Black Knight I do don’t care about who you trade with,Just to show that Australia should not be so stupid as to follow the instructions of its big brother from the US
In terms of world view Mearsheimer is a dwarf compared to Kishore. Mearsheimer wrote books. Kishore too wrote books and was also President of the UN Security Council for 2 years. Mearsheimer is a one trick pony with one ideology of two hegemonies. Kishore has seen it all and done it all. No comparison.
Who is this Mearsheimer? Unbelievable how arrogant and blind you can be? Keeps talking about containing China and that's ok but if China retaliates then it is aggressive China. That double standard is so not only obvious but imperialist hubris...
Kishore showed wisdom, Mearsheimer is a pastor trying to lead without wisdom, spreading fake faith expecting zombie to follow. Go fuck the wall pastor for american pastor had so many cases sleeping with people's wife when they turn for confection.
The American hubris and arrogance shines through, and the stupid ozzies never fail to lick their American master's asshole. What stupid fools the Australians are! The Americans will throw the stupid ozzies under the bus in 2 seconds if the Chinese decide to ditch the australian produce and buy american
I have lived in Asia for a long long time, and I agree with Kishore Mahbubani more. The way the Chinese conduct their business is vastly different from the Western way, the American way.
No chance in hell. Their democratic is corrupt. To win election, you need money from vested interest, gun lobbyist, pharmaceutical companies, tech companies, etc. By the time he gets to office, too many documents waiting for him to sign that take away the primary reason why he is in the office in the first place.
Yes, we need to bow down and do not provoke the Dragon. US is inherently evil and we must humble ourselves and give over our wealth, our way of life and our freedom. F that.
Michaelyn Harris you are so insecure that this is your mentality. China did not ask the US to bow down or give the Chinese all their money. Did China put a gun to the US to give them all their money? US is the one who’s trying to put a choke hold on China.
@@michaelynharris4282 ，marriage between China and US ? ! One with civilization of more than 3 thousand years and the other with only about 250 years of history in which 80% were engaged in warfare, starting from CONQUERING of the WEST internally to COLONIZING globally by setting up military bases all over the world!? And then finger pointing to China for so called 'occupation' of Xingiang and Tibet, both of them had established long relationships with China since the HAN dynasty almost 2000 years ago...!!??
Jenny Lee , it’s the USA and the Western country that help China to become developed and rich for the ordinary people. But this good deeds only benefit the CCP. Like I always said, its not the normal Chinese that are evil, it’s the CCP. I guess you are offended by my thinking because you might be one of those people that have connections with the CCP?
@Katana Sharp You are such an idiot to say trump has made more answers...you are talkimg about a man who doesn't belive in climate chage. I don't have to say anything.
A problematic issue I see with John's argument in this interview is his stance on Taiwan/West relations vs Ukraine/West relations. When discussing Ukraine, John believes the best way to have avoided the current crisis is for Ukraine to have either remained neutral or went pro-Russia since it's neighbors with Russia. However, when discussing Taiwan, he believes it's best for Taiwan to side with the West, despite China being its neighbor. I wonder why the stance is different. I'm guessing it's because John theorizes that Russia would have been OK if Ukraine was just economically friendly with West and not associated with NATO. This is also assuming Russia wouldn't have invaded Ukraine on the basis of the civil war in the east. But what of Taiwan? Would China have been OK with Taiwan if it was only pro-West economically and didn't have a military relationship with the US?
first thing that would happen is Taiwan became independent is that they will ask the U.S to setup a military base there with Nuclear missile ready. This would be an existential threat. And the Chinese will not let that happen
@@StrongbyLee US wouldn't let that happen, because it is much more valuable for Taiwan to continue to remain as a conflict or bargaining chip. Do you know Sun Tsz's Art of War about defeating enemy without fighting? Look at how Ukraine served as US's pawn in weakening Russia, without US committing much into the war themselves? Then you might understand why US would prefer Taiwan issue to be a loose end.
Mearsheimer is a realist. He sees the world the way it is, not the way we may wish it to be. Staying neutral would have been a viable strategy for Ukraine vis a vis Russia. Finland has done it, same with Sweden. Ukraine was fine staying neutral until 2014. In Taiwan’s case, neutrality is simply not on the table. It’s not a matter of whether Taiwan is aligned with the west or not. Even if it wasn’t, China would want it back. China simply believes Taiwan is theirs. And of course the island holds enormous geostrategic value. Neutrality has never been an option the way it was with the Ukraine.
@@mensrea1251 I agree. I guess after the dissolution of the USSR, Ukraine claimed soverignty and was given it. Taiwan, on the other hand, was founded by an opposition party who engaged in a civil war, and there was no formal ceasefire, and is still considered a part of China. I wish John would have specified these points because I'm sure it will lead to a lot of confusion in future if the US and China ever fight over Taiwan; it is NOT a sovereign state, so therefore it doesn't have the same right to sovereignty as Ukraine did.
It's just sheer arrogance if not racist for a westerner who lives thousands of miles away to think he understands Asia better than an Asian who lives in the region
** You're absolutely correct. Addition, the Western, especially the U.S. & Australia as minion are trying to contain / block the raise of China ( naturally ) by and always accustomed to using disgraceful politics and smearing methods to play with almost anything, anyone, anywhere in order to achieve their goals _ regardless of facts, conscience, nature, science, etc. and ultimately. . Just how naive, shameless, farce and nonsense. In short, when a man and girl fall in love with each other, he or she is obsessed by saying most beautiful words with each other .... then gets married. For some reason or a deliberated to force a divorce. Next, one of the conspiracies will make or fabricate the most dirty, nasty or even the most inhuman and immoral things to accuse the other party (maybe a poor victim)! On the other hands, people of the Far East (Chinese) have traditional self-cultivation, received family education at childhood and shame, they have rarely done such a thing to corrupt ( his or her ) themselves reputation, typically their family and clan reputation.**
@@Amidat **Since this is the 21st century, everything is globalized and must go forward. Regardless of race, sex, age, religion, stance, rich or poor, small or large country _ peoples need to be friendly, cooperate better to live peacefully and self-refrain any conflicts. Time is not a matter. If there are no enemies, you are deliberately building them, then you will be your own enemy!**.............................
John: china is becoming more and more powerful, other countries should unite with US to contain it... Question: what's the logic behind it? I mean US is powerful, why no other countries containing it?
What John is doing is terrorizing American allies to enforce them to obey as always. Then he's threatening any potential enemies or rising regional powers. But ruling by fear and intimidation will fail one day when their claws are not as sharp as they was
@@murphymurph8282 where do you get the sense that he's terrorizing allies? Threatening? I assume you believe in state sovereignty. Are you saying those who ally with us do so under duress? His basic argument for the Ukrainian conflict is that it broke out because the Ukrainians did not act strategically WITH Russia when they have many opportunities to. In a way, the strategy argument makes sense. Who wouldn't want to align themselves with great powers, even if they're located on the other side of the globe? At the same time, how do you resolve the military issue of countries, because I assume that's what you're referring to be "terrorizing".
Kishore Mahbubani Sir, I have great respect for you listening to you speak. I agree 100% with your thinking. Wish there are more people of your stature.🙏🙏🙏
You mean sucking up to China after being bought sure. The only people liking this are China mainlander's and traitors who has Chinese ancestors staying in foreign countries.
@@naiyayika Well I'm Asian but not Chinese so you have to be specific which country or part of Asia. Cause most South East Asians and South Asia hate China period .
The moderator is partisan when he proclaimed the virus made in China. Kishore rightly pointed out that it merely was 1st discovered there. If u want more respect, do not use words to spin your veiled attacks based on your obvious inclinations. And make statements that are proven facts instead of oft-repeated accusations.
the moderator literally ran for parliament for the LNP (conservative party) and the CIS is literally a right wing libertarian think tank so to say that this guy is partisan is an understatement
Kishore share a same sense with me about the anti China agenda in Australia. My godness Sky News Australia insists on anti China narrative meanwhile Sky News UK practice journalism neutrally and progressively
You are aware that China commenced a trade and cyber war with Australia a bit before your post. Around 70 % of Australians regard China as a threat ? Why ? You can work it out
My observation is that we Asians are outnumbered in this debate hosted by a very close alliance of US. Professor John is reaching his decision with a very clear American way of marshalling the world in the Western way. Sadly this debate has not been fair to the Asian side without accepting the repetitive advice that Kishor asking the West to look at the situation from the Asian Point of View. Nobody wants a war even if they think a friendly Giant has grown in their neighbourhood. The American has been hostile to show the military might in a foreign region Which IT has Not Understood fully.
What's wrong with creating alliances? How do you resolve the issue of military conflict? Why even have strategic alliances if there was no physical conflict? Even if everyone wants love, peace, and prosperity for all, we can't erase history, culture, religion. Do you believe Taiwan wants to side with the US or China? Perhaps they want to be independent, but China around, do you think that's possible? What about Ukraine? John has made it clear that Ukraine SHOULD have sided with Russia. That's clearly not a pro-US side. In fact, he states that the West bears the responsibility for the Ukrainian conflict.
@@StrongbyLee The US will never look at Asian states as equal players, even on their closest Asia ally: Japan. Asia needs unity, we haven't gone to any major war instigated locally. We should maintain that and focus on prosperity and economic growth
Agree. I found John M's pov very tiring. He's american, so it is in his interests to 'contain' china. but that's not in ours at all, as asians in this region.
Initially, when Tom refer China as 'communist regime' or 'communist China', that is already reflect his prejudice and insulting thoughts towards China. China is not governed by a 'regime', but a big group of intelligent administrators. Do not insult superpower, as what Kishore said. Then, his tone is more 'proper'.
The only "proper" tone to deal with thuggish communists is with contempt. That this is true can be demonstrated by what Taiwan is versus what the CCP is: a successful, modern nation that isn't run by power-hungry thugs who threaten people's families if they don't get their way.
@@listsforthecurious how is China responsible for your fuck up? They seem to have contained it with a population of 1,400,000,000 ... what did the rest of the world do? They had at least 2 months head start. How are countries like the USA? Italy? Spain? France? Germany? Or the UK containing the virus? Not easy hey?
@@listsforthecurious The fact is that more than half of Taiwan university students working in China mainland, such good infiltration, I hope Taiwan will success one day!
chly coh That was then and this is now. 1984 was a lifetime ago. China and America are both building up forces in the South China Sea and the East China Sea. The US Navy is even operating in the Yellow Sea. Sooner or later one side or the other will miscalculate. Miscalculation is the handmaiden of war. There are millions of Americans unemployed and helpless because of China’s decision to infect the world with the Wuhan Virus. They blame China. So far China has killed 85,000 Americans. Their deaths at Chinese hands create a blood debt that will fall on Red Chinese such as yourself. America must have revenge. And Chinese present in America are the logical targets for revenge. My Chinese friends asked me what they should do to avoid harassment or attack. I’ve told them to tell people they are Taiwanese. Red Chinese in America are no different than German Nazis. Red China cannot protect you while you are present in North America. The US Govt. is scooping up Red Chinese spies. “...ask not for whom the Bell tolls for it tolls for the thee.”
@@TheMargaretgallagher I STRONGLY DISAGREE! I BELIEVE IF ANYTHING, THEY HATE WHAT THE CCP HAS DINE TO THE CHINESE! AS I SEE IT, THE CHINESE PUBLIC ARE JUST AS MUCH VICTIMS AS THE TIBETANS! EVEN GOD HIMSELF CAUTIONS MANKIND OF SELF PROCLAIMED GODS AND HOW OPPRESSIVE WOULD BE THEIR RULE!
I don't think so. John explained the U.S. strategies very well. And now the reality confirmed what he said which is the U.S. has more military bases in Asia
@@birdyashiro1226 Yeah, that's like having a 50% mark on a test. He explained how America works very accurately, but he explained how China works falsely.
you must be joking. mahbubani lives in a parallel universe. What a nonsense. China has a huge security state. And countries with huge security states are never peaceful. china is bulding military bases all over the world. Has the biggest blue navy on the earth. And they will use it.
'i read Mearsheimer's book. he is totally delusional himself. he sets himself as the center of the universe and see everything in usa's view....he never tries to switch usa and china's role. for example: if it was china invaded iraq, or china started 2008 crsis, etc. how sad that he is U of C professor...what a shame
*America is like that. It's in their DNA to NOT see how others might view things (differently). Americans like their shoes too much to not want to imagine how others' shoes might fit their flat donald duck feet.*
@Twin Mommy Have you updated yourself with current status of freedom of speech/press and rule of law in US? you just got a new AG that let go someone already pleaded guilty twice, you have president that fired 4 inspector general for investigating inappropriateness in administration, you have police force that profiled and murdered african american with impunity, you have MSM that controlled by billionaire and parrot whoever they aligned to, you have governors that censored and doctored covid-19 infection and death data, countless medical frontliners told to shut-up or get fired. It is just like my country now and we are trying to get rid of our government, and my country is not China. It's time to drain the swamp in Washington.
I think Kishore has been forced to excel himself. Containment, containment , containment. I have never before heard it stated so explicitely by Meirsheimer. So China must accept the USA as funnily "a regional hegemon" in "the world" and not rise to challenge the USA. China must know its place and be like Japan and S Korea subservient to the USA forever? Has Meirsheimer lost his mind?
I don't think that Meirsheimer is saying that American containment of China is the ideal situation. I think he's arguing from a realist's perspective that says whether it's the right thing to do or not, it's what the U.S. is going to try to do.
I think the argument would have some merit if the PRC wasn't run by the most thuggish dictatorship that blends the worst of radical Left and Right into its politics: the opposition to religious faith and the international imperialistic ambitions of the Communist Left, and the ethnically rooted ultranationalism under a dictator for life of the Fascist Right. I don't oppose China rising, per se: I oppose the influence of what can only be described as the evil Chinese Communist Party from gaining a greater foothold in international politics.
Alan Friesen, that’s exactly it. Hugh White of Australia says it’s not going to work and that the US will eventually withdraw from Asia. I tend to agree with Hugh because the US will not be able to build a containment coalition. The US tried already with TPP and led its partners down the primrose path for a decade only to withdraw at the last minute. So in Vietnam for example, the conservative pro China camp has gained power over the liberal pro America side.
@@richiesd1 Time changes perceptions: the perception in the Obama era was that the USA had gone a bit soft despite its rhetoric. Trump has altered that perspective, although he also did some damage with allies. Essentially, all that Australia needs is time to develop a nuclear deterrent. We have heaps of Uranium, we have good physicists. As long as the US remains firm until we can do so, we could be more self reliant, in defence terms, if it withdraws from the region. That would make it far harder for the CCP to exert military force in our direction, and strengthen our diplomacy.
Philip Crouch, if you read Hugh White, you will see that he’s advocating a go-it-alone way for Australia. That would mean more military spending at great cost. I don’t think nuclear weapons, but a stronger defense for sure. The USA will withdraw so it would be a mistake to do the bidding of America’s geopolitical ambitions. Australia needs to find a way that is neither pro USA or China. That’s actually safer for Australia because Australia is geographically in Asia. Here’s another talk with Mearsheimer and White ua-cam.com/video/oRlt1vbnXhQ/v-deo.html
You haven't listened to him, stop at 'simp 'and substitute 'le' for 'ly'. He's not brilliant at all, he's been saying the same things for years, the only ones who listen to him are CCP apologists.
Yeah symphatise with CCP narrative only an idiot can't see China's narrative . Only China mainlander's n individual citizens with Chinese ancestry are supporting Kishore crap narrative as he is pushing Chinese supremacy like Hitler pushing Nazi supremacy. The world is suffering thanks to the China's virus which was handled irresponsibly by the communist pigs.
@@vinryan3267 agree he's always going off topic on difficult questions and using same examples on multiple interviews and always promoting his book. China stooge.
@@hanhgoldman Yes I do. There is the rest of the world but in the short term that won't help Australia. It will cost both China & Australia more. In the short term it will cost Australia more but China could lose its economic leverage over Australia.
@Dr Evil My evil deed. Leeching , not feeding is the correct word. it is exactly a self indulging glib tongue and twisting mind of you that has brought you to what you are today.
@Dr Evil my evil friend, continue be who you are. It is not an issue of calling a spade a spade but mistaken a sock as a shoe, . your head as your butt and so for ..
Ivo Ferreira @UCARQi8EXSotPjub7aIrhc9g "This channel doesn't have any content" It seems the 50 cent army hard a work in the comments section in this video, so many profiles with nothing in them at all.
Good question. Even American study concluded USA government is the biggest threat to world peace, is a clear and present danger to earth, and will likely cause an extinction level event. Don't ask Australia. It is too oppressed to even dare to ask.
Very Insightful and stimulating discussion. For most of the points discussed I will agree with Kishore "live and let others live". We have to understand Chinese civilization to understand contemporary China and its peaceful rise. Summing up I would just say 250 years old civilizations is trying stopping the way of 5000 years old civilization. China is more mature and old player. US is new player in the club. It's natural for China to rise and it's choice for US whether try to stop their peaceful rise or cooperate with them and accept the new power without getting into conflicts. The rational approach would be to accept China as a rising power. China believes in win-win while US influenced through its short history believes in zero-sum or winner takes all. Other countries have to make sure they are on the right side of the history while embracing peaceful rise of China.
US is not a new player, we have the oldest stable government. Stable since 1789, much older than Russian Federation, EU, Japanese government or CCP. Our constitution was contemporary with the Holy Roman Empire and French Revolution, predates Bolshevik Revolution by 140 years. We are old, not young.
@@maxmin4831 Man did i talk about government? No, I am talking about civilization. like it or not this up and down is important for any civilization to get mature. China has seen the bottom, that's why now they are rising. US has not seen bottom as yet but to get mature as a civilization, they will embrace bottom. This is law of nature. Maturity comes with ups and downs. So China is more mature civilization than US.
You are very wrong about this 5000 old civilization, China was destroyed many times throught it history and China today doesnt have anything in common with ancient China civilization, its the same to say that todays Egypt is the same civilization that build piramids.
@@userfuckeri destroyed many times and yet rising. When you touch bottom then you have nothing to lose, what follows next is the rise. They are rising now. They will rise more in future. They have surpassed US in many ways, economy, technology, manufacturing, infrastructure. Military and education is the next. So embrace the rise, but don't submit.
@@shamshassan8848 It's depends what you call rising. China didn't do USSR errors, maybe Mao and other Chinese rulers killed all freedom ideas. About technology you wrong 90% of technologies are created and owned on West and currently its China main problem because USA pushing to cut it(if you aware how USA blocking all tech intelligence trades to China)
View this video 1.5 years later, it’s amazing to see how intelligent and far-sighted Mr.Kishore was. He almost accurately predicted everything was going to happen. So entertaining!
Speechless, American is trying to say: I must take action to launch the war because I am the good guy. Pathetic human moral system, isn’t that who initiates the attack on others by sentiments supposed to be the bad guy or insane one?
China's window of opportunity in Xi's life time is the next few years. After that all the headwinds will stall China's growth and militarily America & allies will get stronger. China will get old before it get rich. Xi may feel forced to play the military card. I hope not.
@@darbyheavey406 crushed? HK riots lasted for a whole freaking year, and 0 confirmed death caused by the HK police. You call this "crush", then how do you call what's happening in America on daily basis?
Geopolitics is not for sensitive hearts, RH, the Chinese will try to become a regional hegemony in Asia, that means throwing the Americans out....the USA just ain't gonna let that happen. And besides; Japan, Indonesia, Singapore, Philippines, Vietnam...will move heaven and earth to prevent Chinese Hegemony.
lol, props to Kishore Mahubani. he already knew the trajectory that this conversation was going to take - a very biased, anti-china stance - and he corrected and addressed switzer's statements politely but swiftly when necesary. it's not even conclusive yet that the virus was "made in china" to use switzer's provocative and slanderous language.
54:06 John: “America is an incredibly rich country“. How arrogant you have to be saying that with audacity, my goodness, how many trillions in debt? Without the ability to print money and letting the world to shoulder the mighty $, it would be bankrupted many times over.
I agree with you, the US almost bankrupted if it wasn't for China helping the US during the 2008 financial crisis. The American's never mention any about that.
It's not as simple as that I'm afraid. The extent of US debt is a reflection of its enormous power, economically, politically, militarily and technologically. You know creditors have a choice over who they wish to lend to.
Will James obviously, but do you think the productivity of US workers resulted in the high standard of living? There is no way that is the case. We enjoy the high standard of living is based on the dollar being a reserve currency everyone on the earth have to use for trade, that enables us to print money as we wish without worrying the consequences. When we import from China and enjoy that half trillion deficits we simply print the paper money and get the goods.
@@jdc3636 If productivity is defined as value created per person per hour, then the US is the more productive than China. This is because the best segments of global value chains exist in the US. This is the great envy of China. Countries like China only enjoy those middle segments but is challenging for those 'commanding heights' with its national socialist industrial polices. The reasons for the trade war becomes much more clear from this perspective.
Yep. The introduction was a horrendously biased view of world history. The US did not defeat Imperial Germany. It was a coalition of Allied states, of which France, Britain and Russia did the lion's share of the fighting. The US did not even enter the war until 1917; when the war started in 1914. The US did not defeat Nazi Germany alone. Something like 70% of the German losses were suffered against the Soviet Union. The US did not defeat Imperial Japan alone. Most of the Japanese army was locked in China. The US moreover did not defeat the Soviet Union alone. If you look at the economic downturn that resulted in the collapse of the Soviet Empire, the key player was not America or Reagan. It was West Germany and imports from the European market. The US in fact has a very bad habit of thinking it "wins" or "defeats" other powers on its own; mostly because the government pushes this idea of American exceptionalism to try and secure more domestic votes. Unfortunately, this also tends to result in the US government believing their own lies - hence the string of misadventures in the past two decades where the US apparently can't beat goat herders in the mountains.
@@thomasellysonting3554 Allied forces were already defeated except for Britain when the USA enters the war. But even then, Britain was on the verge of getting defeated.
The 2 debater Kishore & Mearsheimer exactly depict the Asian outlook & Western outlook of the world. One the Western view points it is the survival of the fittest the stronger one will walloped the weaker one. I am just being candid here the Western always look at winner take all...Asian doesn't look at it this way there is always a path to co-existence which can benefits both....that is being Civilize. That is what former Malaysian PM Mahathir said "We have been China neighbor for thousands of year yet China have never Colonised or Conquered us...but when the Western came via Portuguese, Conquered us withina few yrs" follow by....Dutch, British, French....within a few years there Conquered & Colonised everyone in Asia wow what a revaluation!!!!!
Neoimperalism in Tibet, Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia, state-organized mass organ harvesting, new forms of concentration camps for certain ethnic and religious minorities, utilisation of social credit system and other state of the art public surveillance apparatus, massive covid-19 cover up... CCP idea of peaceful rise is beginning to look quite similar to peaceful rise of Nazi Germany and USSR isn't it??
Clearly, Prof. Mearsheimer doesn't understand China and the Chinese, moreover the history of Aisa, but he does understand the US mentality. Prof. Mahbubani is trying to give the solution that we can avoid tragedy, but they just don't believe that we could have a solution.
Mearsheimer is too influenced by the Nixon/Kissinger era of foreign policy. Not everyone country operates in the same incentive system as the westerners. What happens when the counterparty doesnt care about « dominance »? There is no need for containment in that world. Mearsheimer is a bitter old man in a wrong era.
Prof. Mearsheimer gets the US part right in their approach but he then applies that to everyone else which is a mistake but at the same time history has shown what most great powers do. I don't think the US will allow China to rise peacefully, it will do what's it already doing by trying to support color revolutions, student led protests etc... that are funded by ngo's like the NED, The National Endowment for Democracy which funds these groups, look at what happened in Myanmar, Hong Kong, Thailand what goes on in any country that's part of the belt and road initiative should be watched closely because the US doesn't want it happening. The Pakistani President just recently said the US tried to pay off Pakistani politicians to try an oust him, remember he wouldn't condemn Russia or sanction them and instead made a gas deal. He says he's got evidence so we'll see.
Why Australia keeps provoking China? If we look back at all the recent issues between Australia anfmd China, it's always Australia that start picking a fight.
Internet freedom:Some people of Australia provoked by social media. Multi-party system : US can support Australia's Pro-US party against China Freedom of the press : Australian media are supported by American capital, and of course they are controlled by American capital. At the same time, think about the U.S. military base in Australia. The United States tells Australians that China is a villain through newspapers, television and social media. People are the foundation of politics. As a result: Politically, Australia is a puppy of the United States. The United States asked Australia to do sth, Australia has little ability to oppose it , even if it is not in Australia's interest.
Listening to this old discussion, it so real that Meisheimer epitomizes the war mongering USA who 1. Cannot bear to lose its imperialist and hegemonic status when he insist that USA will do anything to contain and destruct China based on fear, jealousy, lies and anger 2. How USA is the king and colonial master of Australia when Australia really did forego its prosperity for security (remember how he threatened, humiliated and cowed Australia in his talk in Australia)when Australians were thwarted from exporting to China and foolishly agreed to an Auskus deal where its prosperity is taken away by US and UK for some outdated subs. So much for a lap dog Scumo to boot when USA sells to China what Australia abstained from. Americans had the pleasure of choosing who to run American policies every 4 years which actually are the same regardless of GOP or Demos in charge. They continue to decline and go into poverty, enjoy decaying infrastructures and being ruled by plutocrats. My respect to Kishore..He is the present and future representation of WORLD PEACE as Meisheimer is the Past as a disrespectful warhog and bully.
You're completely wrong on Mearsheimer. He illustrates, as a realist international relations thinker, what in his view Great Powers have done in the past, continue to do in the present and will do in the future. He considers that all the wars the US has fought, or sponsored in the past 30 years have been bad ideas from a policy standpoint; he does not get into morality, that's not what he's talking about. He's a liberal democrat but believes that the US fighting wars to spread liberal doctrine has been a foolhardy foreign policy strategy, that is ideological, not realist. With all due respect, you cannot be at all familiar with him to consider him to be a "war monger".
Kishore brilliant? BS . This is now the new world of human rights and freedom. If ever China is a free and democratic country like most the world society then l think China can be one of the great country of the world. Hi Kishore, why don’t you move over to the Communist China and see how’s life is like? China wants to be the world power? Before coming to that, they are already bullying neighboring countries. SCS. Covid-19 , Why China shut down all internal flights in China but not Internationally ? Don’t ever forget, CCP China is corrupt abuse to people of China. If the USA wants to dominate China, it will have done it lJuong time ago. US and Western world are trying to help Chinese but the Communists see that as a danger to their power. Misinformation and all the censorship in China, what do you think,Kishore? What happens to the doctors that reported the Covid-19cases in the beginning in Wuhan? Kishore your thinking of the world view now are out dated. Communist, Dictator,and Facist system for the world are not for the people of human rights and freedom. Those systems of governing the people of the free world has been done. Please keep that in mind.
@@seewahleong8459 Kishore is the most pro-China diplomat in Singapore. He is a believer in the CCP propaganda which emphasizes the economy and ignores human rights issues such as Uyghur concentration camp and HK repression. Much of what he says is the same to CCP talking points on People's Daily and Xinhua News Agency. Please understand a lot of people in Singapore and in the world don't agree with that.
@@ethansun1025 Regarding Uyghur which western like to label it as labor camp. I can place alot of sources to counter argue but I believe none will take it seriously, however this will top it all. Who know more about Muslim then Muslims themselves. They all been there to check it out, and they agreed with the method of reeducation. Unless you prefer US method of putting them in Guantanamo Bay prison which is notorious of inhuman act conducted there. . jamestown.org/program/the-22-vs-50-diplomatic-split-between-the-west-and-china-over-xinjiang-and-human-rights/ Most Muslims countries side with China whereas those disagree are happened to be all Westerners. If you still choose not to believe, by all means go there and see for yourself, talk to the local. One more note, you do not represent the majority of the people nor the world, to think is in itself arrogant. HK repression are no more by their own action. China did not partake on it. Since we come to the topic of Uyghur Because of the real fear and past attacks where many hundreds were killed including both Chinese and Uyghur, China now has a pre-emptive policy rotating part of the population through vocational training centres. Many Uighurs have left China porous western border for military training and partake in jihads or joined various terrorist groups such as ETLO, ETIM, TIP, etc, for many decades. These battle hardened terrorists returning may strengthen the terrorist groups and poison an entire generation in their society. Of 18,000 Uighurs in Syria, 5000 are fighters, and some were even held in US Guantanamo camp. And those groups are deadly and serious, causing multiple terrorist attacks. Just listen to their chilling words: "If you do not wage jihad, you will never be able to get rid of the oppression of the infidels which makes you abandon the religion and which makes slaves of you. Thus, you will not be able to be rescued from the oppression of this world and the torments of the hereafter, or find eternal happiness until you return to the religion of Allah. . ." - Abdul Haq (Memetiming Memeti), a commander in the Uyghur separatist movement Turkistan Islamic Party (East Turkestan Islamic Movement) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Haq_(ETIP) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkistan_Islamic_Party "We have to conquer our own country and purify it of all infidels. Then, we should conquer the infidels' countries and spread Islam. The infidels who are usurping our countries have announced war against Islam and Muslims, forcing Muslims to abandon Islam and change their beliefs." - Abdullah Mansour, current leader of the Uyghur separatist movement Turkistan Islamic Party (East Turkestan Islamic Movement), from "The Duty of Faith and Support," Voice of Islam/al-Fajr Media Center. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_Mansour West and Allies. The West and allies has really messed up the Middle East - nurturing Al Qaeda, ISIS, and perpetuating the endless wars, cyclical violence and rise of radical Islam. After trillions of USD later, there is still a lust for jihads, and that cancer has spread into China. China Policy and Actions. In crackdown, China has sealed the border tightly, enhanced surveillance, and apprehended 13,000 terrorist suspects. And the vocational training is to wean them from other counter productive activities and make more economically more productive. Plus, proverty is also one of the main cause of terrorism and this is why China trying to quicken the progress of develop at that area. Remember once, Chechnya was always a favorite and supported by MSM and the West for decades. www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-18190473 China will not let Xinjiang become the same as Chechnya, China is prepared to take international hits in doing such a bold huge alternative solution - a costly social experiment to inoculate or insulate against what she perceived as real and present dangers or to advance the basic well being at least economically - as part of nation wide poverty alleviation strategy and ‘Develop the West’ policy) - and hopefully even to boost social integration and stability. Ultimately, China wants peace and stability. And not something like this. June 15, 2014 Four injured in knife attack on chess hall in Xinjiang region www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-16/another-knife-attack-in-china27s-xinjiang-province/5526888?section=australianetworknews May 22, 2014 At least 31 dead after explosives thrown from vehicles at a market in Urumqi, capital of Xinjiang www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-22/uruqmi-explosion-kills-at-least-31-in-china-xinjiang-region/5470448 May 1, 2014 Three people killed in a blast at a railway station in Xinjiang region www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-01/deadly-blast-hits-train-station-in-chinas-xinjiang-region/5422540 March 2, 2014 Knife-wielding attackers kill 29 people in a 'violent terror attack' at a train station in Kunming www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-02/33-killed-in-mass-stabbing-at-china-train-station/5293220?nw=0 October 28, 2013 Five people killed when a car ploughs into pedestrians and catches fire in Beijing's Tiananmen Square www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-16/another-knife-attack-in-china27s-xinjiang-province/5526888?section=australianetworknews Effectiveness so far? Peace so far. No incidences of violence for 3 years. Better security and safety for all in Xinjiang. People trained can find jobs, I think it is better than turning Xinjiang into a endless long term dysfunctional and hate-filled nightmare.
@@seewahleong8459 Too bad you never knew anything about US and what they actually did if your mind is only fixated on biased and fake news regarding China. US had done far horrendous moments and still continue to this days. qr.ae/pNs92V Go read it, it is a long list of timeline till 2015. And even after 2015 there is still more. Do tell me how US 'help'. Please keep in mind that people in China have more human rights and freedom than you think. Go access to Weibo and Zhihu app and you will see people openly criticize issue in the government www.zhihu.com/question/264638793/answer/471927002 weibo.com/overseas qr.ae/pNsD3M China has some very clear ideas of what is and is not acceptable in this topic. Most people are surprised to find out that registered protests are perfectly fine and happen all the time. There are roughly 500+ protest every single day in China for major and minor issues (there was a protest in a compound I lived in because they were increases the cost of utilities). The Chinese government is also always doing market research and asks for feedback. As far as I can tell it is a “key performance index” based on who is giving feedback, so they love getting feedback from people to improve themselves Do they allow criticism? Yes, obviously. They have to, else they (official positions) would be overthrown. But more importantly, they need criticism from THE CITIZENS to self-correct themselves constantly. And they would welcome it even more if the criticism comes with a viable solution they can work on. But once again, if the intent of the criticism is to create social unrest, incite a rebellion/seperation of the state, or using this tool for self-interest with malicious intent towards the collective interest of the State and/or the citizens of the PRC, why they should not jail you up and put you away? From my knowledge, all the governments in the world have some form of laws that limits criticism against themselves. It is naive to think that you can go about criticizing without limits. Freedom of speech in the USA? Check this out www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2385
Why the hell does Taiwan need US to defend herself? If US would just stop poking its nose to others' affairs and stop building military bases, the world would be a less hostile place to live in.
But China has built several military bases in the Pacific and certain Asian countries. Military bases have no other use but to extend military power.... www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/03/china-will-build-string-of-military-bases-around-world-says-pentagon
If kishore doesn't give australians the chills, I don't know what would. A person like Kishore takes a lot of delight in making the australians quake in their boots.
He is blunt, he doesnt sugar coat. Australia has been hyping up "China threat" and the recent behaviours by Australian administration are a great concern to Chinese. 1. Solomon Islands hype up. 2. Nuclear Sub deal with US, which has been rebuked by Keating, is not a defence deal. 3. Various fearmongering Chinese PLA army videos played on media. 4. Lack of diplomatic talks. So his blunt response that Australia needs to rethink their diplomatic strategy is a perfect response to the question posed by the interviewer who asked him why is China doing trade ban with Australia.
@@Vlog-hu8gb I disagree he is a CCP troll. Kishore is a realist and an optimist. Realist because he sees China's growth potential to become an economic super power, he also sees India's growth potential. Mearsheimer says China will try to be a regional hegemony, which I think is not easy, because of the very fact that China is near other great power like Russia which it is heavily dependent, and there's India which also has great potential. Additionally, he sees as I see, that China doesnt want conflict. China has another 30-50% of development to do. Entering into a military conflict will stall the international trade, look at Ukrainian conflict. China wants peace, peace promotes trade, and right now China is the world factory, its also building BRI trade routes to facilitate trade. Optimist, knowing the above two points, he is hoping that China would be able to rise peacefully, but the real question is Would US hegemony die peacefully? Like Mearsheimer says US is hell bent on containing China. Right now US is trying to wreck Russia, which is China's "no limit" partner. US is also arming Taiwan, preparing Aus-China conflict, India-China conflict. I would think China's peaceful rise is not possible, because US wouldnt allow it, but Kishore is an optimist and he believes that Chinese administration is capable of tactfully managing US aggressive foreign policy. Footnote: China brokered a peace deal of a decade long conflict between Saudi and Iran. Reports are Russia is close to brokering Syria-Turkey peace deal. Which would essentially mean stability on Northern Middle East.
@@Vlog-hu8gb We ASEAN countries still vividly remember imperial Japan's cruelty in WW2 and US bombardment of Vietnam war. Even now there always are casaulties from dud bombs and unclear minefield. American soldiers are not welcome.
@@donparky1812 You still remember a few years of war and forgot centuries of oppression by Western Europeans, who besides other atrocities were involved in trafficking and slave trade of your women for hundreds of years
This is clearly political and Australia has picked their horse in the US when no one has really asked them. Kishore is correct reminding them they're geographically in Asia and picking the other side is not wise long term.
@@cam35mm That is the brutal truth. A lot of virtue signalling commentators here will comment they prefer the US because of superior morality or common values (easily invalidated by observed past behaviour). They are too cowardly to admit it's about race and power, and they don't like the idea of jaundiced Asian shorties surpassing the mayo ubermensch, to the point they will incite devastating armed conflict.
@@noninsignia I live in Vancouver and I understand the resentment. Vancouver real estate is similar to Australia's, a lot finger pointing at China over the inflated prices. But the truth it's the Gov't fault, we took the tax revenue. I have realtor friends that say on the extreme, some mainlander are buying 50+ properties. Lineups for presales that buy one for every member of the family is definitely a thing here. If I had to guess it's the same in Australia.
@@terencekwong3033 Can confirm it's similar here. And there's no finger pointing at other nationality's larger ownership of Australian assets (primarily because they are of the correct ethnicity), or the culture that promotes property as investment. Quite frankly there is no oversight of the property market, because governement wouldn't want upset the rentier class (which I'd wager are, by far, not exclusively Chinese)
YES CLEARLY! THE CCP DEATH GRIP IS BETTER THAN SELFMASTORY! COMMUNIST CONTROL>> WHERE YOU ARE PADDLE LOCKED IN YOUR HOME BY THE POLICE IF YOU WERE OBSERVED IN CONTACT WITH A COVID POSITIVE. SO IN STEAD OF GETTING THE TREATMENT NEEDED IN ISOLATION,YOU REMAIN LOCKED IN WITH YOUR WHOLE FAMILY! FAMILIES IN WUHAN WERE INFECTED AND DIED AT HOME BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T GET OUT TO GET MEDICAL HELP. THE CCP IS EVIL LIKE THE VERY VIRUS THEY SPREAD! WE WILL FIND A VACCINE THAT WORKS ON COVID AS WELL AS A VACCINE TO WIPE OUT THE CCP!
Great debate. What was brought to light for me is the U.S‘ assumptions about China. The U.S bullys and dominates as a world power, their fear that China would do the same led to a ’containment strategy‘. The double standards. I hope that Kishore is right - that China will be different, that she will seek win-win and bring other countries up vs. seeing everything as a zero-sum game like the U.S. Kudos to the CIS for getting two very differnt perspectives on this subject. It seems to me Australians have bought into the U.S’ version of the China story. There are always more than 1 side to a story.
I’m Chinese. I think Chinese government has no interest practicing hegemony. The mainstream ideology is pursuing stability and prosperity. An old Chinese saying goes “harmony is treasure.” We seek peace while not accepting bullying by hegemonies.
Hegemony is what's being practiced by the medieval leadership of China currently for example your only claim to some of islands in south China sea is ancient Chinese have gone there fishing besides the brutal occupation of unarmed peace loving Tibetans is against all norms of decency ... MORAL of the story is all POWERS are CORRUPT & absolute powers corrupt absolutely, but there's an even more powerful virus playing the truant & eventually would bring both these powers to their toes soon enough & there after this world would be a far better place to live with mutual respect amongst mankind.
The only reason why I upvoted was because of Kishore. If the world followed John Mearsheimer's Cold War kind of thinking, we would be doomed to a WWIII and then it will definitely be a lose-lose game all around.
Not at all. China has the ability to reform to include more freedom and flexibility in its system, which would be a net benefit to everyone -- especially Chinese citizens. Cooperating with a tyrannical government wouldn't be beneficial to anyone.
@@jimluebke3869 ? Wdym by not at all? But personally, I think that the Chinese system is already quite flexible. In fact, most people are free. Whether or not Western people understand/are able to comprehend this is up to them, I guess, but it doesn't really matter, because at the end of the day, Chinese people are just living their lives happily.
@Jim, I can't stand fools like you, who don't know anything about China... But at the same time you fools think you know better than Chinese people what's happening in China.. Are you guys stupid or what? You don't speak Chinese, you never been to China, only time you ever speak to Chinese is in a restaurant... The media and govt of your nation can't even tell you the truth about your own nation, they are constantly lying.. But you believe everything they say about China... That's the definition of being an idiot... Anyway, no one kills more people, destroys more nations than Western democracies, and that's 100% facts. You went around the world stealing resources, killing people and destroying nations and it never stopped till this day... But dumb people like you, who don't know their own history, think they have a right to lecture others.. Just STFU, you Western POS...
In China, many people think of Australia as a no brainer that when he was been sold out by someone else, he is the one who is helping that person who sold him to Counting money.
Quite a lot of young, bright Chinese students chose to study in Australia, before the Wuhan virus, they all received excellent education. You clearly weren't one of them. What on earth are you trying to say ?
Mahbubahni is sooooooo right. We should all work together. This obsession of controlling the world is leading us nowhere. Diplomacy is key. Have we not learn from real history? China has worked hard to be in the position it finds itself into. We should encourage that growth and turn it into an opportunity for others to flourish NOT a threat
@Nadia Munday "China has worked hard to be in the position it finds itself into. We should encourage that growth ..." Hard work, my backside. China had been a basket case for 200 years until the US and the Commonwealth freed it from Japan in 1945. It continued as a basket case for another 30 years until the US stepped in again, gave it privileged access to the US market, sponsored its membership of WTO and WHO, invested heavily, effectively making a gift of the mighty industry to it so CCP could reap the benefits of cheap labour. Without the US, China would still be a basket case.
@@angusmckenzie9622 capital flowed from everywhere and much earlier than the WTO admission, since Mao´s death and the opening to foreign capital in 1984, nothing US promoted or incentivised
it is not correct by saying that Southeast Asian leaders are fearful of China raising power. I have noted a number of Asian leaders have welcome China's investment and its cooperation. Just ask the president of the Philippine. Kishore is sensible, logical, who spoke frankly and the truth, and on the other hand, John is on the defense who is refusing to accept sensible reasoning, he needs to communicate with the people in SE Asia region with an open mind or maybe he just cannot bear to lose his White European superior status (Been a white American he would have experienced the "the white european superior status"). I am not been rude as I can understand the mentality when I mention "the white european superior status" as this superiority thinking was forged during colonialism and slavery period it is regretfully to say that this thinking and colonialism still largely exist.
John cant, his mindset is that of a usurper, he and his elk will always be uneasy as the asians presence becomes dominant in their one home region Kishore is from the colonised class he understands Johns fears.
Adrián it’s ok you have your faith in it. But after living in the US and reading a whole lot of politics books. I’ve gradually generated a idea that the current political system in the US is shrinking, and it is irreversible. Don’t get me wrong then, I love the country, just don’t like those politicians.
@@Adrian-qi5ii sry for getting you wrong. Francis Fukuyama, you can read some of his books if you are interested. Anyway, that was just my personal opinion, it might be very wrong. Cheers
@@michaelliu4773 Actually I have one book by him on the origins of power. I also know his famous thesis although I follow the ideas of offensive realism (in IR).
I completely agree with Kishore's view. Both guests are realists, but Mearsheimer endorse a confrontational strategy against China, whereas Kishore suggests a 'seeking common ground despite differences' policy. Confronting China aggressively under the security umbrella of US, is only destructive. That is because US had stated in their national security reports that China is US no 1 security threat. Even if China is not assertive, US would have to do China in. That means Asia would be in danger because the battleground is in this region. Our whole economy and whole lifestyle will de devastated. But why must we confront China when the China trade form much of the bulk of economic benefits to Asian countries? By killing the goose which lay the golden eggs is not only unwise, but stupid. Asia should welcome US only she herself is a responsible world stakeholder and not come with sinister motive. It is not a win-lose game as Mearsheimer suggests. US can still change her mind and work hand in hand with China, only if US stop making China into an enemy.
THEN HAVE CHINA FREE TAIWAN, HONG KONG AND TIBET AS WELL AS ANY OTHER NATION WHO IS CURRENTLY BEING DEVASTATED BY THE CCP " DO AS I SAY OR DIE" RULE! IF THE CCP IS NOT THE DEVIL IT IS SAID TO BE, WHY DO ALL THESE ISLANDS WANT TO BE FREE FROM CHINA RULE? WHY WOULD THEY RATHER DIE THAN BE A PART OF CCP CONTROL? PICKLE ON THAT FOR A MOMENT! THE USA IS ANSWERING THE DISTRESS CALLS OF THE NATIONS IN QUESTION! THE US IS NOT MAKING CHINA OUT TO BE THE ENEMY! NO NO NO! THE CHINESE ARE ALSO A VICTIM OF THE CCP! THE US IS CALLING OUT THE TRUE ENEMY TO FREEDOM, THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY(CCP) NO MORE DEALS WITH THE CCP!
@@victorbreazzeal7715 *Victor, Victor, Victor ... lower your voice, please. You're frightening my cats. Taiwan, like Hong Kong and Macao, is part of China. Like it or not that's been a historical fact for over a thousand years. How would USA like it if hispanic New Mexicans demand independence and the PLA came to help them?*
Killing the goose that lays the golden eggs? That could very well describe Western investment in the PRC that could dry up as the CCP becomes increasingly belligerent.
Awesome discussion. The sheer quality of the conversation was tremendous. Coming from an interview of Kishore where the interviewer was the limiting factor, this was a welcome change. In the end, it is not important who won, but how well you played.
In war there are no winners! Only losers. USA has finally lost it by putting an IDIOT Trump in charge. Imagine a person who claims Coronavirus is a hoax.... 80,0000 deaths, China’s to be blamed to deflect his failings, higher deaths...due to doing test..... What you idiotic simpleton. It’s not just Trump, the whole House of Congress are complicit and incompetent. Move aside USA. The world is better off without your evil tentacles and meddling. I must congratulate China for the leadership to send aid to the world.
TWO PEOPLES OPINIONS DO NOT ESTABLISH AN ANSWER TO SUCH A QUESTION. BESIDES, THE RACE IS STILL IN MOTION, THE TRUTH WILL ONLY BE DETERMINED ONCE THE CCP HAS RUN ITS COURSE... WILL THE WORLD BOW TO ONE SUPREME RULER OF CHINESE DESCENT? OR WILL FREE AGENCY PREVAIL AND OVERTHROW THE EVILS SELF PROCLAIMED GODS?
It is good to watch this debate again in October 2020, five months after it was first put onto UA-cam. Facts tell that China and some of its neighbours, who are not communists, have done well in combating and controlling Covid-19, whereas the USA, much of South America and Europe have suffered and continue to suffer badly due to the Coronavirus. This reflects governance and leadership. In my opinion, Western politicians in general are good talkers but not good doers. They don't serve their people. They serve themselves. They have the "me first" attitude. This is totally opposite to many politicians in the East who have a different type of upbringing in a different culture and tradition. Eastern politicians are generally more humble and reserved, they work more than they talk, and they serve their people. It is also to do with the citizens in the East who are patriotic and obey the government in a pandemic. They sacrifice the so-called "human rights", "democracy" and "freedom" that they West always champion about. The UK is now in a mess going back to square one after wasting so many months of indecisive and inconsistent approach in tackling the Coronavirus. People want freedom; yes they can spread the virus. People want democracy, yes, they can debate on the subject with opposing views. People want human rights, yes, they can break the newly imposed laws. The situation in the USA is actually worse where many people believe Donald Trump's words that the virus is actually a hoax. In March when the Coronavirus got worse in the USA, people queued up round the block to buy guns to protect themselves. What sort of society is it? A warmongering country such as the USA wants chaos in the world so that it can sell them arms, such as to country like Saudi Arabia, who is alleged to have a poor human rights record, but does the USA care? They only see the $ sign and Saudi Arabia is not seen as a threat. Double standards abound in daily life and yet the West have the cheek to lecture other countries why they are not like them. It would have been a disaster if China were like the USA because China would have been a very aggressive country starting many physical wars already just like the USA is constantly doing around the world.
Similar cases on the surface but different in reality. Taiwan is not a recognized country in the international political system, not even by the US. China considers Taiwan as an indivisible part of the country, never recognized taiwan. In fact Taiwan started as place where the losing side of the civil war decided to exile.
John, tell your compatriots first to try to combat the Covid 19 before boasting about how great the US is. Doing is louder than talking. You look very like Trump in talking but unlike him in many things. The Australian government should appoint Kishore to be its consultant on internation affairs.
Why would we appoint such a man? The most charitable description of his position is that it might make sense for Singapore to adopt such a perspective, because it is a) essentially a city state, b) reliant on a highly restricted set of service industries like financial services etc. to function, c) extremely reliant on shipping to supply its population with essentials, in relatively close proximity to China, in a strategic maritime chokepoint that the CCP is interested in, d) mostly ethnically Chinese, and therefore more likely to be susceptible to United Front soft power tactics. To be honest, I suspect Singaporean governments will try to blow smoke up the arses of the CCP officials with wily diplomacy whilst pursuing their own national interest without the glare of public attention. Australia is self-reliant in all of the essentials of life: we have surpluses of food, we supply enormous volumes of raw materials to the rest of the world, we can supply our own high quality iron etc. We are less susceptible to United Front infiltration, because most Australians are not of Chinese origin and not susceptible to ethic Chinese nationalism, we are much further away etc. The CCP could gravely harm our economy in the short to medium term, but with the re-arrangement of supply chains and some adjustment to our unusually high standard of living, it can't seriously threaten Australia except in a military sense. And, I have enough faith in the US strategic umbrella and our ability to resource our Navy to ensure that continent wide blockade or land invasion is effectively impossible.
@@listsforthecurious I like you to say sth. about the case of Timor Leste connecting to Indonesia, also dragging Thailand to participate in the robbery game of petro resources in its terroritorial area. Talk about the US-Australian false flag leading to a waging pf war under the fake peace-keeping force of the UN. The unusaual closeness of the two countries in operatimg their international policies in the ASEAN and SCS regions. It 's not surprising that Indonesia applies an indifference attitude toward your country. In that country, they could not wipe away from their memory what you did to them in rhe Timor case. Australia and the US together act like a robbery gangster of the world. China readily utilizes trade with your country as an economic weapon not unlike the US. Let the aussies eat up all the beef that has been banned from importing to that giant country. Go to find some other market to sell the banned barley at a very low price. Don't export it to Thailand. We never want it and have rice be our favorite staple. Ok, economically decouple yourself from China. Let see what will happen to you soon. Prove in practice that you do not need rely on it. You can be economically independent from it. Let you prove it. That giant economy does not need to rely on you either. Running short of Australia to be one of its trading partners is analogous to a mosquito bite on human body. Hahahahah
@@suratpongpipatpanich5627 No doubt Philip Crouch would characterise Australia's intervention in East Timor as glorious liberation. No doubt the East Timorese enjoyed their new found freedom by being spied on by ASIO to be screwed in negotiations with Australia for their resources. Thank you virtuous, honest, and freedom loving Anglosphere.
@@noninsignia Timor Leste was formerly East Timor. All the turbulance started off with a mishandling and suppression of the Indonesian government on native people over there. The US together with its allies saw an opportunity to intervene since they knew before there was a petro reserve in the vicinity of Timor island not far away from Australia, by sattellite advancement of the US without field exploration. A whole lot of conspiracy and false flags had ensued throughout many years with Indonesia falling into the trap being set up by the US alliance. Eventually, it succeeded like the Iraqi case much in the sense that all were just cross-country robbing of petro resources as the real motivation. Austrlia and the US rarely give a damn to people liberation no matter be the case of Hong Kong protest or Taiwanese movement to independence. Please believe me.
@@listsforthecurious Philip, yes, no one will argue with you that Australia is self reliant. But your principle market is China and there is nobody that can take up the slack. Don't delude yourself. You don't have to worry about defence. China is not interested in invading and having to oversee an unfriendly population. The name of the game is to improve standard of living and what is sourced from Australia as you know can be sourced from elsewhere by China. China will continue to prosper but Australia's economy will tank. Is a tie up with the US really worth it? Just for Hollywood movies? Don't worry you can still get to watch it as it may be one of the few exportable US products in the future.
Kishor - you are the true guru on geopolitics. I am educated every time when watch your speeches. John - Cold War is long gone, entire world has moved on. Time to retire. Tom - your Australia wanted an enemy and you got one, a big one! Congratulations!
@@天下为公-o2p Please get out the way. I think you have a good point. America won't so China will have to fight to become No1 else remain No 2. Whats wrong with being No2?
I agree. But I don't think china will get it. Not without a war. You have to remember China GDP is 12.5 trillion annually. And have 1.4 billion people. The US have 19 trillion GDP and only 330 million people. The US is not only 6 trillion annually richer than China. But also have a larger GDP per capita. Meaning they can out match China if it awakens
At least the Anglosphere defends the liberty of the world: something that folk whose ancestors were oppressed by communist dictatorships in Central Europe should be very thankful for!
It's weird you think the angles liberated eastern Europe you must be watching the BBC the Anglos propaganda instead of reading history to which they are historically colonists over the world
@@MrMSalexanderMK The pressure of the USA on the Soviet Empire brought it down. They certainly embody the Anglo-Saxon valuing of the individual person and his liberty. And to be frank: I'd prefer to be part of a people that took good, civilised values around the world, and created places like Australia for ourselves and others to enjoy, than the peoples caught up in the intrigues of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Russian Empire, and the Ottoman Empire, then between the pro-liberty West and the Russian core of the Soviet Empire. Colonialism has never been a swearword in my vocabulary. :)
Yeah, my worry is the Anglosphere will flip the table and kill everyone once their loss of power is undeniable and it's apparent restoration to hegemony is impossible. They are quick to violence when things go their way (just look at why the British initiated the Opium Wars). The only problem is this time, the only dependable and irresistable part of their military is the nuclear arsenal, in which case a lot of humanity will die.
Respect Kishore... just use facts, don't need to use rhetoric and terms like "... regime..." and ".. virus made in..." terms that this CIS moderate is trying to paint a negative narrative or it is just a Fruedian slip of the bias in his mind. Kishore wins hands down.
yep. they're projecting cos they've done so much colonising, exploiting, pillaging and dominating in the past 100 years. china on the other hand, has done virtually none of that.
@@lowkeyconvert8971 If we are talking about the last 100 years, China didn't really have the capability to do much of colonising, exploiting, pillaging etc.
Mearsheimer has two weaknesses. He doesn't understand Chinese and he does not know military hardware. That is why he assumes that the US army is so powerful. He obviously cannot explain why the US army lost the Korean war.
China might have become Mongol ruthless country if US not signing the Sino treaty after the Vietnam war. Might be China and Soviet Union was ruling the world - Europe and Asia and America fell to them.
Wonderful program! Many thanks to the organizer, and especially to the two guests, who always stick with the truth. Can I add a point here? Lots of Asian countries, including many regions of China, had an experience of falling victim to colonization. Therefore, China understands the painful and humiliating experience of a country being ruled by others. It is actually less likely for China to do the same thing as previous world powers did in the 19th century. As you can see, the Chinese policy of one belt one road also takes a more peaceful approach and try to provide contribution in developing the global economic system rather than becoming a threat to others. Also historically, when China had a chance to colonize many Asian countries in the 14th century (Song Dynasty), China didn't, proving that China has a different view on its power from certain other countries. Would it be possible that these facts are implicitly understood by all asian countries through the "Asian glasses" but not believed by US or non-Asian countries?
china will collapse if something happen to xi, china is not ready for that now and never will be. because xi thinks he is going to stay alive forever lol.
@@JBfan88 exactly. Within "China" this kept happening too. Many times there were mass migrations to get away from invading colonizers. The entire concept of being Chinese is very unclear because there were so many different ethnic groups conquering each other all the time. The "humiliation" suffered at the hands of western countries pale in comparison to the ones from the mongolians, Manchurians, and the Japanese.
To me, Kishore is the idealist and Mearsheimer is the realist, and finding the ground in between is perhaps the only way conflict between the US and China might be avoided. That being said, if history is anything to go by, realism is the more reliable approach to understanding how events might actually unfold compared to idealism's approach to understanding how one would like events to unfold! Peace and harmony is what everyone wants even as world powers increase their military capabilities and presence in the full knowledge of that most frustrating of human paradoxes put a classical Western way: 'Sic vis pacem para bellum' - if you want peace, prepare for war, or put a traditional Asian way: 'Attack is the secret of defense; defense is the planning of an attack' - Sun Tzu.
The question is not if China will rise peacefully. The question is if China would be allowed to rise peacefully.
hahah, right, China never wants to invade other countries, but USA navy and air force always enter south China sea and Esten China sea to make trouble.
The question is not if China will rise peacefully, the question is if US will go down peacefully.
The question is not if both USA and China will be allowed to create supremacy but rather it's the other countries that will decide who will win.
yes, and for that China would need to reach venezuela and cuba - help these nations develop nuclear weapons and create problems for china in its own hemisphere.
help argentina develop weapons to take back falklands
the five eyes need to be taught a lesson.
@@天下为公-o2p - because china do not have any air craft carrier in the past. Now is a different story.
Well it was supposed to be my last comment, but in the last 60 years China has worked hard while the West have been running their mouth.
Yup, they did their best to defy WTO laws.
@martinsaint, give me the figures idiot! The birth rate was around 1.3-1. 5% in the last decade in China! giving birth overseas accounts for only less than 0.001% in the last decade, part of which are for individual family reasons.....!!
Yes the normal Chinese not the CCP that works hard. I hope you do know that all the rich people in China are well connected with the CCP. I think you are one of them or are working for the CCP, yes ?
Yes they worked hard with western knowledge and now they use that,and by western choice when they practically gave them jobs amd money
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You're absolutely correct. Addition, the Western, especially the U.S. & Australia as minion are trying to contains / blocks the raise of China ( naturally ) by and always accustomed to using disgraceful politics and smearing methods to play with almost anything, anyone, anywhere in order to achieve their goals _ regardless of facts, conscience, nature, science, etc. and ultimately. . Just how naive, shameless, farce and nonsense. In short, when a man and girl fall in love with each other, he or she is obsessed by saying most beautiful words with each other .... then gets married. For some reason or a deliberated to force a divorce. Next, one of the conspiracies will make or fabricate the most dirty, nasty or even the most inhuman and immoral things to accuse the other party (maybe a poor victim)! On the other hands, people of the Far East (Chinese) have traditional self-cultivation, received family education at childhood and shame, they have rarely done such a thing to corrupt ( his or her ) themselves reputation, typically their family and clan reputation.**
I may be wrong but 8min in, John & Kishore have already demonstrated the key differences between western and eastern thinking. Kishore put this very succinctly - back when China was the absolute dominating force in the world, it had no motivation to control/colonize other regions the way the western nations did. It is simply not the dominating thought in the Chinese mindset to control others unless it feels threatened and do so out of self defense. John on the other hand, "China would be crazy to not dominate Asia the way U.S. has dominated the western hemisphere..." case in point. Please don't project your bias/inclinations onto the eastern mind.
John doesn't really understand the Asian mentality, the way of doing things that's so very different from the West.
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yup. China had enough trouble keeping it together and the lands w/ best lands were within China (before the use of oil, industrial revolution, etc). Anywhere they might go was either rocks, tundra, jungle, desert, etc. John Mearsheimer needs to respond to this point. Although, the Manchu expansion into Tibet could be considered hegemony, don't think they understood control of water sources back then.
However, he does have a point (maybe from another vid, get them mixed up now) that intentions don't matter; a hegemon such as the US needs to be wary of capabilities because you never know what kinda nutjob could come in power some day (as happened in Germany a couple times).
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Yes, it is surprised to hear that from John, he still have the mindset that China want to conquer or dominate the world like the West. and the example of he mentioned US won over Germany, Nazi, Japan, Soviet Union, all those 4 power is crazy for power. But China isnt going that way, China is totally different kind of competitor that US has never met.
The question is not if China will rise peacefully, the question is if US will go down peacefully.
You nailed it .
It’s the USA mentality if professor Mersheiner who posses a tiny rock on his shoes and it bothers him
China is peaceful America is the agressive just look in the Middle East . Nobody wants us there
I watch this because of Kishore. Without him, it is a waste of my time. I am from south east Asia but we are not afraid of China. Please get this right.
You are absolutely spot on, it takes an Asian to understand China though not absolute all such as Japanese...and Vietnamese...
Kishore speaks with humility whereas John subscribes himself to a flawed view of the international political scene from the American point of view. Let us not forgot that Russian leaders have adamantly opposed NATO enlargement in Europe especially Ukraine and the US role in the Middle East has always expanded now in the South China Sea. John is more on offensive realism which seeks power and influence to achieve security through domination and hegemony. That is why he favours containment.
@@yuanhaochue2889 Why is it that China has no friends apart from perhaps Pakistan and this in itself speaks volumes. Going around the world threatening economic reprisals for not towing the party line and kowtowing to their world view is hardly conducive to mutual prosperity, Throw in the blatant malign influence of domestic manipulation and you have the 3 legs of terror.
@@christopherbegley6461 how do u define friends, in comparison US has many allies partly because trade n military nights to protect them ..do u see that US is screwing up its allies including Canada because of trade, the gas pipe line, Norm Pipeline from Russia to Germany, US were protector of Imperial Shah of Iran as well as The most corrupt fascist, Marcos of Philippines, the most notorious war criminal of Japan that has yet to officially apologies for Comfort Women issue that was given the Chinese Diaoyu Island as a premeditated tactical scheme to contain China... 130 nations has China as the biggest trading partners while Australia has 36% export depending on China that amounting US, Japan and UK total, and next election, Morrison will need to pacify the voters either to go to war with US against China or negotiate trade ! Unless you understand Chinese culture, " a true friend will not do to others, what you do not want others to do unto you!"...the Belt & Road Initiatives, 140 nations have signed up.. geopolitics has no permanent friends, a friend in need is a friend indeed!.. having the benefits of enjoying the best of 2 worlds, Eastern culture n Western education, most of us should have better ideas and manifest the eco systems to make friends base on mutual understanding, mutual respect and most important mutual expectation to forge a shared win win prosperity for world communities..
@@christopherbegley6461 in real geopolitics within the context of Western dominated democracy, a uniquely Socialist state has no other choice but using economics while US has 3 unipolar power base. Fiat n Swift financial systems. Military industrial complex and Western dominated propaganda machinery/platform and Australia as its mouth piece, Google. FACEBOOK. UA-cam CHANNELS... while China has the flexibility of financial capability/capacity to initiate Asian Infrastructure Development Bank, yet the West classify as Debt Trap, mind you China has no choice but to develop its capacity n capability in infra structure to one level above others in terms of technology and cheaper cost to compete, has to show case its Green energy and Regreening the dessert to demonstrate its equitable share of worldly good, most important of all having up lifted 800 million Chinese from abject poverty, mitigated constructively during the 2008 world financial crisis are benevolent contribution to humanity and world property.. albeit the continuous abuse of sustainability by extravagance in living standard by the West unabated... Think rationally about the Western based ignorance and arrogance!
Jimmy Carter describes America as “the most warlike nation in the history of the world... China has not wasted a single penny on war, and that’s why they’re ahead of us in almost every way.”
Carter then said the U.S. has been at peace for only 16 of its 242 years as a nation. Counting wars, military attacks and military occupations, there have actually only been five years of peace in US history.
China’s peace dividend has allowed and enhanced its economic growth, Carter said. “How many miles of high-speed railroad do we have in this country?” he asked. China has around 18,000 miles (29,000 km) of high speed rail lines while the US has “wasted, I think, $3 trillion” on military spending. According to a November 2018 study by Brown University’s Watson Institute of International and Public Affairs, the US has spent $5.9 trillion waging war in Iraq,
www.telesurtv.net/opinion/Jimmy-Carter-Lectures-Trump-US-Most-Warlike-Nation-in-History-of-the-World-20190418-0020.html
Rafael Acosta you seriously need help. Investing in warfare does not enable financial growth. I thought the US military was bloated when I was serving in Japan. Keeping it at the size it was, was ridiculous and then it expanded. Deep cuts had to be made during the Clinton administration just to save the US economy. Wars by the Bush administration, necessary and unnecessary, placed the USA 🇺🇸 in even greater debt than the ever ridiculous Reagan administration. Where is that force field sci fi worthy technology anyway?
Clearly: total ignorance of the rise of Islam out of Arabia throughout the Middle East, Turkey , Asia etc.
Soviet Union collapsed for same reason.
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The problem with America is that it is losing its military edge. Having that military edge is/would be *by far* better than any "peace divident". Who would you rather "be": someone who can build roads well and fast or someone who can destroy anyone's roads while protecting its own roads?
Basically John says: No one can dominating Asia and no one can dominating euro but only US can. That is the rule.
@@zeapic8500 "oppressed and killed millions"? how do you know that? ridiculous！
@@zeapic8500 USA killed millions just look at iraq and Afghanistan you keyboard warrior
China is a peaceful country never conltrol any countries they are in for business
he don't know what he is saying an ignorant pretender that he is ha.. and you believe him ha..suckers ha...
Exactly! It's the American way. And many still couldn't see this.
Mearsheimer's words showed us the US's last, desperate struggle to keep its USA exceptionalism, which translates into wars, killings, and subversions.
If you are implying Mearsheimer is supporting US hegemony, you need to hear his all other lectures especially on Russia and Ukraine.
He is a realist through and through. The Indian origin sellout is exactly that, that's why you may be thinking otherwise.
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That's because he think Russia is not their major competitor. He want the US and Russia should be on the same side to contain China.
He think it is not in the ukrainian's interest to alliances with America to provoke Russia.
At the same time, he think it is in Australia's, Japan's, and especially Taiwan's interest to provoke China.
He is not objective, because he is on the US side.
Hey Australian, you are not crippled, walk with your own feet. You don't need British and American to hold you to walk your own destiny.
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You're absolutely correct. Addition, the Western, especially the U.S. & Australia as minion are trying to contains / blocks the raise of China ( naturally ) by and always accustomed to using disgraceful politics and smearing methods to play with almost anything, anyone, anywhere in order to achieve their goals _ regardless of facts, conscience, nature, science, etc. and ultimately. . Just how naive, shameless, farce and nonsense. In short, when a man and girl fall in love with each other, he or she is obsessed by saying most beautiful words with each other .... then gets married. For some reason or a deliberated to force a divorce. Next, one of the conspiracies will make or fabricate the most dirty, nasty or even the most inhuman and immoral things to accuse the other party (maybe a poor victim)! On the other hands, people of the Far East (Chinese) have traditional self-cultivation, received family education at childhood and shame, they have rarely done such a thing to corrupt ( his or her ) themselves reputation, typically their family and clan reputation.**
@@ph1688 do u feel embarrassed when no one reads ur communist propaganda?
@@masterrhythm4596 I read it, ph 1688, I just didn't understand it.
@@masterrhythm4596 im read its, look better more then zionist propaganda in your head.
Australia is providing visas to Hong Kong Chinese who want to retain their human rights. Xi Jinping and his gang have destroyed the 1997 agreement. The Republic of China is still alive and well in Taiwan. It should be restored as the true Sun Yat-Sen founded Government of all of China.
There is no point debating Western people or peole aligned to the western world as they will never have an objective view on the non white world.....The Yellow Peril will always be there!! Respect to Mahbubani...trying make the world a peaceful place!!
The Yellow Peril was about the spread of Communism, and it is as reasonable now as it ever was.
@@listsforthecurious How is its spread as reasonable now? Because of China's success? Which countries are lining up eager for communism?
@@dickiesdocos Not where I live. The actions of the CCP are repugnant to people, and we have sufficient liberty for our economy to work fine.
@@listsforthecurious China actually is socialism with Chinese characteristic (actually is with strong infusion of capitalism). No more communism. Just they never change the party's name as CCP.
@@smnyhl6241 As Chinese, I totally agree with you. Now China is an absolute capitalist country, but most of the western do not know.
I really like Kishore's rationale and pragmatic solutions to potential conflicts. No wonder he was a top diplomat in UN security council. Need more peacemakers like him. My salute to you good sir!
Meh, kind of sounds like India'sversion of Neville Chamberlain
John Wayne
I think Kishore has theoretical brilliance in rationalizing & producing solutions to potential conflicts. But, I believe, he is so dazzled by China's exponential rise , that he has overlooked or has not understood CCP'S strategic aims to conquer & dominate the world without firing a shot
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As we all know by now, the
CCP'S has repeatedly used a devious means to achieve its strategic objective: viz. debt- trap for financial colonisation of weak nations in Africa, Asia, Latin Anerica, etc.
What Kishore also seems to ignore is China is regularly using its financial & military firepower to bully etc and dictate terms to weaker nations for trade & infrastructure deals ....these nations, being dependent on China's domination of the global supply chain, often end up surrendering their strategic land or their key infrastructure
assets.
This is economic & financial colonialism imposed by China by devious backdoor methods. .....If Kishore finds this colonisation of the world by China " without firing a shot" a " rationale " way to avoid US intervention & loss of influence in countries of strategic & security interest to USA, then , certainly , China has avoided a potential conflict with US in the SHORT TERM ONLY.
Sooner or later , US will wake up & challenge China aggressively when its long term interests are threatened by China's ( debt trap ) back door colonisation of the world . Hence, Kishore's " pragmatism " to avoid potential conflict between China & US has NO LONG TERM validity.
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@@prongs He's Singaporean
@@rajnikantchande2677Historically, the British and Americans did exactly that ? Only difference is that China beating them at their own game without blood shed. No country is perfect and china not an exception as its already the largest economy in terms of PPP so her rise inevitable. Kishore argument was really about seeking balance through power sharing. China is located in Asia and naturally with their economic might will be the dominant country. The issue right now US refused to relinquished its influence citing democractic freedom..conveniently. Bullied countries around the world that dont share their master slave mentality. Look at UK, Canada and Australia fate by following US footsteps and bidding blindly.
@@prongs After stepping down, he served as a Senior Advisor at NUS during a nine-month sabbatical at various universities, including Harvard University's Ash Center for Democratic Governance and Innovation.[3] He is currently a Distinguished Fellow at the Asia Research Institute.[4]
John Mearsheimer's argument for why the US are going to win: we always won before, we will win again. I think that is the point at which all great empires collapsed...
John Mearsheimer: US will win because US won before
Kishore Mahbubani: China will raise peacefully because China was peaceful before
Me: GME price will raise because it raised before 🙈
Actually, after World War II, US never won any wars.
what about demographics?
John is a briiliant student and teacher, but his perspective is clearly skewed; his presumption is that all world powers behave the same way is flawed and incorrect. Take off your American "we are the only superpower" glasses and see 5000 years of Chinese history. China ain't a wannabe America. Kishore has a more balanced perspective..
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I don't see any security concern if Austrlia does not join US containment of China. I do see the economy concern if Austrilia Follow US on the containment.
It is maybe a right political decision for these politicians, but it is defientlly a bad governmental decision especially after this crazy pandemic, we will see pretty soon.
weirdo.
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If Australia do not follow uncle Sam. There will be security concern coming from uncle Sam and uncle Sam will screw up its little lap dog.
@@zhangyi5145 Australia will willingly follow the USA because it is the moral and ethical thing to do due to the circumstances. Morality and ethics are a very foreign thing to the CCP and its cadres so I wouldn't expect them to understand. The CCP are sub human scum and must be defeated or the world will never forgive our generation.
That's the western thinking 😂 you HAVE to dominate the world ! His saying that the Chinese crazy not to !
NO YOU ARE CRAZY THINKING THAT WAY !
When you are a thief, you think everyone else is one too, and silly not to steal when given a chance.
@@Time4Peace aelm tbh, the West is a thief
@Conor Here's a brief crash course on history of conquest. But the meatier stuff is longer in the BBC documentary.
ua-cam.com/video/alJaltUmrGo/v-deo.html
BBC Documentary:
ua-cam.com/video/alJaltUmrGo/v-deo.html
@Conor bruh they litterally fked up iraq and yemen by supplying them with weapon, letting them kill each other. Million of kid died, proceed to convicing the world that they're doing it for democracy and so on aka war propaganda. America has a history of invading and looting oil from other country , u can't deny that i didn't happen lmao. Sending bunch of army into other country xD.
@Conor When you used the word West, it of course refers to key Western European powers which are Britain, France, Portugal, Belgium, Spain, Italy and Germany. That's the bulk of the West, isn't it. And you said the West did not steal? It stole land, people, resources, dignity, humanity, livelihood, all because they have fire power. And then you say it's only a handful of western powers do that? All those countries I mentioned are colonial powers. They are so to extract minerals, oils, agricultural products, labour and land by force directly or indirectly, which is stealing. Learn to see from the eyes of humanity and not from your 'kind' and you can see things better. Yes, Ireland was a victim of colonialism too. The potato famine which killed millions, was a part of that misery.
The moderator should not be called a "moderator". He clearly either intentionally or 'Unknowingly' tries to espouse the western "misrepresentation". He tried to call the covid 19 virus the "Wuhan" virus and tried to call Taiwan formosa etc and never mentioned that it was part of the country of China in its history. Both of which was disputed masterfully by Mr Mahbubani. Thank you. Mr Mahbubani, a lot of education still is needed with these "media" sorts.
The CIS is a thinktank dedicated to liberty. He is moderating it from the perspective of the values espoused by liberals, in the true sense of the word.
Agreed that shows how lowdown bootlicking Australian willing to be dog of the US.
@@engchoonkoay8973 What's wrong with dogs? I've always thought they were a noble animal, but then, we don't eat them in Australia. :)
Philip Crouch stop kidding yourself. Use your eyes to see and ears to listen. Liberty, don’t make me laugh. You don’t know the truth if it slaps you on your face.
Philip Crouch if you want to generalised about China. Maybe you don’t eat dogs, you eat kangaroo........ seriously, you guys murdered the true Australians. The Aborigines!
Loved Kishore's dig at Mearsheimer about having to wear Asian glasses; if this was a debate, Kishore clearly won it because he's Asian and has those glasses on whereas the other one is too America-centric to grasp the complexities of what is really going on in Asia!
traitor kishore ha..
My question is.....why US have 200 over biological labs throughout the world and the nations that the labs located is in the dark?
Because the labs are private, and they dont want to be under US control, while in any other country they can do anything they want to.
Same with coronavirus 19.
Just because some american individuals runs to your country, America as a country not responsible for your government to allow them to be on their territories. Ask your government why these labs are on their territiries.
@Heather Larson Democratic labs? Humor of the day!
This is deep, "Australia is in Asia not Canada"
Because it's much easier to protect Canada than Australia in the eye of America, Hence "Australia is in Asia, not Canada". And it's easier doing business with Asian countries than Americans in the eye of Australia. It's a double-edged sword if you're in Australia. Everyone knew what Kishore was talking about, maybe not you.
I am Canadian and I wish Canada would move away from America.
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If Canada fulfils your wish to
" move away from America ", which country would accept Canada's vast exports diverted from USA ? Currently Canada also exports substantial crude oil via a pipeline from Alberta to an oil terminal on the US gulf coast. The only buyer of this oil would be China, but that would need a new pipeline from Alberta to Vancouver BC. Such a pipeline approval would be impossible on environmental grounds.
Australians would not be doing what they are doing if they were not white, they are not serving Australia, they are serving white peopel
But Chinatown is everywhere ... just joking.
Kishore Mahbubani, first time i am listening to Kishore , i give you 10/10 . best speaker . i was worrying you got attacked by John , but you didnt let me down , very smart answer .
@Marc Jackson So what are your beliefs mate?
thenew aust pm scott is an idiot anbecoming another stooge of trump justlike
abe of japan
@Marc Jackson this is how Trump behave and same as the rest of people who follow him
Absolutely, he is the best and smartest diplomat worldwide.
@@kensim8378 yes CCP virus, you may be right.
What we Chinese want:
1. Get rich (Everyone on the planet deserves to live a better life.)
2. Keep the money we earned (No one dares rob us again.)
I totally agree with Mr. Mearsheimer on the century of humiliation. This is one of the reasons holds us together nowadays.
Why don't the Chinese government let the other countries live with peace and harmony.. Why you Chinese have border disputes with so many countries.. Why do you claim the entire territory South China Sea.. Why is your government using Dept trap policy on poor Asian and African nations... 🤬🤬
@@sittu24 Why do you guys talk like the last 200 years ARE SO LONG? This is literally just the life of the US. China has been here for THOUSANDS OF YEARS, before US was even born guys. It feels like no one cares about the history of China, and just postulates and summarizes their behaviors based on the only 200 years of US history. It feels SO arrogant
@@Jackthecandlestick 你无法理劝一个顽固分子，中国人已经是世界上最卑微的强者了，游戏规则需要改变，亚洲就是中国的地盘，美洲就是美国的地盘，我们不去抢劫美洲，但是谁也没来亚洲找事
@@Jackthecandlestick I am an American, while I staunchly oppose Chinese efforts in the South China Sea I do understand it and I do respect the Chinese people.
@@mace3632 bro, u simply got played by western brainwashing, what u think US is doing there, while China provides actual historical proof of holdings there
The obvious question of course it's not Can China Rise Peacefully but rather should be Can Western Accept China Rise Peacefully!!!??? just my 2 cents opinion
100% agree
Then. You are smarter than most normals.
@@boycottchyna5400how the USA raised? Steal telants and technology from Europe.
Rised
@@boycottchyna5400 so. China should rise by colonize west? Just like what you kind did before?
Sorry we are civilization. Not barbarian.
Mahbubani is a great and intelligent man who is so well known throughout the world. Go Mahbubani go!
If you read all his published works... he had proven right in his forecasts. He is indeed a great man.
Tom if you want to start a sound policy: Start it equally by asking about the "Communist Regime " and refer to USA as "" The America run by the military industrial complex " . Tom that would be a good start.
Largest threat to world peace is the US regime
Vic toews amen amen. Call it by what it really is.
@grimm reaper when it comes to US interest, he speaks sense 😉
good and equal point
Tien Men Square is a good start
John and Kishore are both realists and great strategic thinkers. Kishore has a clearer view as a 3rd party observer of the US and China competition. US has fallen into the hegemon trap, which resulted in "endless wars". The US can do much better by 1) facilitating technology innovation and excellence, and 2) embarking on a pan-am initiative or hemisphere initiative. Based on immigrant tradition, US can do a lot in the western hemisphere and both North and South Americas.
The book “Has China won?” was published in January. Now it’s June, so I suggest it should be followed by a second addition named “China has won!”
Why 😂
China won the worst country award?
china lost
@@urbanremodel793 China survived and won media propaganda brainwashing attempt on Asia and Europe.
Urban Remodel you are right. Are you going to stop buying any Chinese products ？
I'm from the Philippines. Trust me, there's nothing to be upset about. We're fine. We're capable of having friendships from both sides.
Not if you are forced to choose. It is not so easy a position to be in.
对。我们可以当朋友中国和美国。This is why im learning Mandarin too。
@@olubibabalola China wouldnt force other countries to choose, but USA will: either with me or with my enemy. ...
remember?
In light of recent events would you like to revise your comment?
@@m1nty99 The revised comment would be: The U.S. is forcing us to choose sides. It's either we're with them or we're enemies.
Well done Kishore, You are the only one telling the truth, have my full support!
@Sol太阳 You can't even name the host, Tom Switzer, and Mahbubani's opponent, John Mearsheimer . That's how much attention you paid to the debate. How much credibility does that give you ?
@Sol太阳 and China is fascist regime. Just ask the Uyghurs, Tibetans, Hongkongers and Taiwanese.
😂😂😂😂 this Kishore is such a joke.
This guy is no longer relevant in Singapore.
He just use LKY n the Political Party to make his mark.
He is an armchair leader with NO REAL WORK to his name.
He is just here to sell his book 📖
Has China Won??? 😂😂😂 on his bookshelf.
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@RFC Fung
😂😂😂 you really think his books selling like hot cakes 😂😂😂
Just like print media…books are so 2000.
He is just a cheap saleperson.
His product placement in the background is such a joke.
I think I have more following in my short write up than his…
The thing he discuss in that China book have been discussed by another author.
So don’t worry about me…
@RFC Fung
My education is mine…to continue as long as I am alive.
I did finish my schooling.
You admiring this fellow do reflect on your Education journey.
Just go for better minds.
Chomsky make more sense than this fellow who will go where the Money is.
He does not stand for anything.
The reason I can’t stand him.
Why does John think they need to become a regional hegemony? His view of things is so tainted by hawkish American biases.
China has played its game the same for 30 years. Use their huge labor base to outsource all if America's productive capacity to them, use that to fuel GDP growth, which they then turn around and use to build infrastructure for their own people, thereby raising a generation of incredibly smart people who bolster their enormous tech and engineering sector.
Because of that, they now are not reliant on US capital to pursue projects, allowing them to use surplus' they have to give money to other nations disillusioned with America.
Now they have built ports, rail, roads, and all this crucial economic infrastructure while America privatized every social security net they had, resulting in a generation of Americans disenfranchised from their own nation, and because of a lack of investment in public education, the people of America are pretty dumb to be honest.
Now the board is set as China has many positive relations with foreign countries, as well as the infrastructure and currency to defeat the USA without firing a shot.
They need only get more than half the world to switch to their currency, isolate America financially, and squeeze the west with in fighting as western nations decide whether to stay with American dollars and trade routes, or side with China.
America put all of its cards into conventional weapons of war EVEN AFTER THEY INVENTED the device that made conventional war impossible between any nation that has it.
The US isn't going to lose. They already have and now we are just waiting here to see if they proverbially flip the table and kill us all if they can't have their manifest destiny.
@@reviewsfreestyled14 Automation is a really useful thing, especially when I said in that same paragraph that they've been raising a whole damn generation of engineers. Seems like maybe automation was the plan. And the one child policy was only ever for Han Chinese, all other 50 some ethnic demographics I'm China could have more (including Uighurs)
Also, the US literally bullies everyone in a much more aggressive way (see their nearly 800 military bases abroad.) There really is no criticism of China you can make, which the US and western allies haven't committed or have committed fat worse.
I have no doubts Mr. Kishore, a Singaporean Indian being born and bred in multi-culture Singapore that have about 70% Chinese population, understand the Chinese minds better than Mr. Mearsheimer who might have visited Beijing numerous times in his adult years. From what I heard, Mr. Mearsheimer is far from understanding the Chinese. The Chinese believes the Pacific Ocean is big enough for all. China would like to trade with all countries in the world and have safe passages. Unlike USA, they have no interest in hegemonism. After all, they know what is like to be stepped on.
David Soh I think John was exuberant in describing his welcome in the PRC.He was given a due respect as a professor but please don’t overstayed your welcome
What do we think of when we think of the US government? Highly inefficient, gridlock, corporate interests controlling government.
China on the other hand.. states a goal.. and gets it done. No qualms, no bickering. It's just done.
Now isn't there something to be learned here?
Mai Ly Trump fires government watch dogs any time he wants, he punishes whistle blowers and face no consequences. It seems plenty of American people let him do it.
@Mai Ly China is never about dictatorship.
Chinese are well set towards the goal ,they are so fast , well planed, accurate on the track.
Misguided CCP members
Behind the peaceful, white Whitehouse is the ugly face of the wicked greedy oligarchy that is leading the President by his nose.
I DONT KNOW IF CHINA WON OR NOT, BUT KISHORE WON EASILY .
Yeah.. Won lot of money from CCP
@@1980raj YOU think everything is based on money, very shallow minded. OTHER people have intelligence and values, you know.
@@medialcanthus9681 You mean the CCP which cares only money and kills own people right ?
@@1980raj you know you were referring to Kishore so don't pretend.
@@medialcanthus9681 Both him and the evil CCP
The difference in cultures between the US and China is the following metaphor:
The US takes an orange, cuts it in half, and uses both sides to juice it until it is dry discarding afterwards. The Chinese takes an orange and study to try find solutions to grow an orange grove to become a partner. In both situations people are the oranges.
Taiwan is officially known as "Formosa"? No Mr. Moderator. Taiwan is officially the "Republic of China".
He was born in 20th century, but his brain was taken from a frozen body from 1700s
I cringed when hearing that colonial bullshit
Officially the r ..., what does officially mean? Is it what UN says, or what most people say? What the business and trade say, production people say.
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Officially means Taiwan's own constitution. Its first line reads:
The National Assembly of the Republic of China, by virtue of the mandate received from the whole body of citizens, in accordance with the teachings bequeathed by Dr. Sun Yat-sen in founding the Republic of China, and in order to consolidate the authority of the State, safeguard the rights of the people, ensure social tranquility, and promote the welfare of the people, do hereby establish this Constitution, to be promulgated throughout the country for faithful and perpetual observance by all.
Imagine if I went to the Kingdom of Norway and declared that Norway is officially known as Vikingland.
When the moderator said the "corona virus was made in China" I already thought how obviously more biased can he be. I'm sure it's not due to ignorance!
in this case ,nobody win! But I really want to know how Australia feels when he knows that his American brother exports beef to China and makes a lot of money.
A lot of Australians have taken note and realize the U.S. has back stabbed us. So we are now little more sceptical of america and no longer trust like we use to. But we still trust china even less. Having that said, our approval of both superpowers has gone down over the years but we are way more distrusting of china than we are with the united states.
@Black Knight I wasn't asserting that this incident was abnormal nor unexpected when it comes to free trade and the viewpoints weren't in just "my eyes," the general sentiments in respects to China and Australia were recorded statistically, at least to gauge general sentiments. People still view America favourably in relation to China, it's just favourable viewpoints decreased steadily for both countries.
And on the point of "everyone kicks and puts down America," first off, people still view China unfavourably in relation to America, so China still is dealing with the brunt of poor reputation; secondly, this is the natural consequence of all superpowers: scepticism and poor reputation as an abuser of power as well as an opportunist are natural occurrences for all hegemonic powers; thirdly, as Australians, we should be noting the fact that our trade was essentially taken from us; are you suggesting that we should remain quiet and just accept. "Oh it's free trade, that's what we should expect."
We can't do anything against America but at least we should be realistic about international affairs at least for the sake of making decisions as a democracy to garner choices that would serve us, not for other countries.
And a lot of people hate America for good reasons. This didn't just occur out of nowhere...
Black Knight I do don’t care about who you trade with,Just to show that Australia should not be so stupid as to follow the instructions of its big brother from the US
@@MsDiscofever It is the view of the western world
Most countries in Africa Asia Middle East Just do not trust American
In terms of world view Mearsheimer is a dwarf compared to Kishore. Mearsheimer wrote books. Kishore too wrote books and was also President of the UN Security Council for 2 years. Mearsheimer is a one trick pony with one ideology of two hegemonies. Kishore has seen it all and done it all.
No comparison.
In short, Mearsheimier is a hammer and sees everything as a nail.
Who is this Mearsheimer? Unbelievable how arrogant and blind you can be? Keeps talking about containing China and that's ok but if China retaliates then it is aggressive China. That double standard is so not only obvious but imperialist hubris...
Kishore showed wisdom, Mearsheimer is a pastor trying to lead without wisdom, spreading fake faith expecting zombie to follow. Go fuck the wall pastor for american pastor had so many cases sleeping with people's wife when they turn for confection.
@@guilmarperez4674 Mearsheimer is a Neo Con when all is said and done.
The American hubris and arrogance shines through, and the stupid ozzies never fail to lick their American master's asshole. What stupid fools the Australians are! The Americans will throw the stupid ozzies under the bus in 2 seconds if the Chinese decide to ditch the australian produce and buy american
I have lived in Asia for a long long time, and I agree with Kishore Mahbubani more. The way the Chinese conduct their business is vastly different from the Western way, the American way.
Mr Kishore run the America...the world would instantly become beautiful and peaceful! Proud of u and respect to you Mr Kishore.
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No chance in hell. Their democratic is corrupt. To win election, you need money from vested interest, gun lobbyist, pharmaceutical companies, tech companies, etc. By the time he gets to office, too many documents waiting for him to sign that take away the primary reason why he is in the office in the first place.
@@rmazim500 is
Then the whole world will be colonized by the Han Chinese.
@Marc Jackson Did the British stay in England to keep up the productivity? Also, there are people like Kishore and Biden.
Kishore really knows China and knows how the westerners should work out through this turbulent time.
Yes, we need to bow down and do not provoke the Dragon. US is inherently evil and we must humble ourselves and give over our wealth, our way of life and our freedom. F that.
Michaelyn Harris you are so insecure that this is your mentality. China did not ask the US to bow down or give the Chinese all their money. Did China put a gun to the US to give them all their money? US is the one who’s trying to put a choke hold on China.
@@jennylee685 yes I am insecure in knowing that the US China relationship is deep and interdependent much like a marriage
@@michaelynharris4282 ，marriage between China and US ? ! One with civilization of more than 3 thousand years and the other with only about 250 years of history in which 80% were engaged in warfare, starting from CONQUERING of the WEST internally to COLONIZING globally by setting up military bases all over the world!? And then finger pointing to China for so called 'occupation' of Xingiang and Tibet, both of them had established long relationships with China since the HAN dynasty almost 2000 years ago...!!??
Jenny Lee , it’s the USA and the Western country that help China to become developed and rich for the ordinary people. But this good deeds only benefit the CCP. Like I always said, its not the normal Chinese that are evil, it’s the CCP. I guess you are offended by my thinking because you might be one of those people that have connections with the CCP?
Kishore is the best!! Much wiser than that old white guy!
racist
@@sheenesteves2167 You Americans are racist too...why did you vote for Trump.
@Katana Sharp You are such an idiot to say trump has made more answers...you are talkimg about a man who doesn't belive in climate chage. I don't have to say anything.
I agree. But try not to be abusive by labelling people old or white. He is a decent guy.
Love this program. Really objective, not so extreme. Good discussion.
A problematic issue I see with John's argument in this interview is his stance on Taiwan/West relations vs Ukraine/West relations.
When discussing Ukraine, John believes the best way to have avoided the current crisis is for Ukraine to have either remained neutral or went pro-Russia since it's neighbors with Russia.
However, when discussing Taiwan, he believes it's best for Taiwan to side with the West, despite China being its neighbor.
I wonder why the stance is different. I'm guessing it's because John theorizes that Russia would have been OK if Ukraine was just economically friendly with West and not associated with NATO. This is also assuming Russia wouldn't have invaded Ukraine on the basis of the civil war in the east.
But what of Taiwan? Would China have been OK with Taiwan if it was only pro-West economically and didn't have a military relationship with the US?
first thing that would happen is Taiwan became independent is that they will ask the U.S to setup a military base there with Nuclear missile ready. This would be an existential threat. And the Chinese will not let that happen
@@ruoyuli4091 if it's an existential threat when Taiwan is independent, what's stopping them from doing it now?
@@StrongbyLee US wouldn't let that happen, because it is much more valuable for Taiwan to continue to remain as a conflict or bargaining chip. Do you know Sun Tsz's Art of War about defeating enemy without fighting? Look at how Ukraine served as US's pawn in weakening Russia, without US committing much into the war themselves? Then you might understand why US would prefer Taiwan issue to be a loose end.
Mearsheimer is a realist. He sees the world the way it is, not the way we may wish it to be. Staying neutral would have been a viable strategy for Ukraine vis a vis Russia. Finland has done it, same with Sweden. Ukraine was fine staying neutral until 2014. In Taiwan’s case, neutrality is simply not on the table. It’s not a matter of whether Taiwan is aligned with the west or not. Even if it wasn’t, China would want it back. China simply believes Taiwan is theirs. And of course the island holds enormous geostrategic value. Neutrality has never been an option the way it was with the Ukraine.
@@mensrea1251 I agree. I guess after the dissolution of the USSR, Ukraine claimed soverignty and was given it. Taiwan, on the other hand, was founded by an opposition party who engaged in a civil war, and there was no formal ceasefire, and is still considered a part of China.
I wish John would have specified these points because I'm sure it will lead to a lot of confusion in future if the US and China ever fight over Taiwan; it is NOT a sovereign state, so therefore it doesn't have the same right to sovereignty as Ukraine did.
It's just sheer arrogance if not racist for a westerner who lives thousands of miles away to think he understands Asia better than an Asian who lives in the region
Arrogant? Yes. Racist? No.
arrogance and racism are the attributes of the middle kingdom.
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You're absolutely correct. Addition, the Western, especially the U.S. & Australia as minion are trying to contain / block the raise of China ( naturally ) by and always accustomed to using disgraceful politics and smearing methods to play with almost anything, anyone, anywhere in order to achieve their goals _ regardless of facts, conscience, nature, science, etc. and ultimately. . Just how naive, shameless, farce and nonsense. In short, when a man and girl fall in love with each other, he or she is obsessed by saying most beautiful words with each other .... then gets married. For some reason or a deliberated to force a divorce. Next, one of the conspiracies will make or fabricate the most dirty, nasty or even the most inhuman and immoral things to accuse the other party (maybe a poor victim)! On the other hands, people of the Far East (Chinese) have traditional self-cultivation, received family education at childhood and shame, they have rarely done such a thing to corrupt ( his or her ) themselves reputation, typically their family and clan reputation.**
what do you expect...? been that way a loooooonnnngggg time
@@Amidat **Since this is the 21st century, everything is globalized and must go forward. Regardless of race, sex, age, religion, stance, rich or poor, small or large country _ peoples need to be friendly, cooperate better to live peacefully and self-refrain any conflicts. Time is not a matter. If there are no enemies, you are deliberately building them, then you will be your own enemy!**.............................
John: china is becoming more and more powerful, other countries should unite with US to contain it...
Question: what's the logic behind it? I mean US is powerful, why no other countries containing it?
Because they are White and just🙄😁😂😂
What John is doing is terrorizing American allies to enforce them to obey as always. Then he's threatening any potential enemies or rising regional powers. But ruling by fear and intimidation will fail one day when their claws are not as sharp as they was
@@murphymurph8282 where do you get the sense that he's terrorizing allies? Threatening?
I assume you believe in state sovereignty. Are you saying those who ally with us do so under duress? His basic argument for the Ukrainian conflict is that it broke out because the Ukrainians did not act strategically WITH Russia when they have many opportunities to.
In a way, the strategy argument makes sense. Who wouldn't want to align themselves with great powers, even if they're located on the other side of the globe? At the same time, how do you resolve the military issue of countries, because I assume that's what you're referring to be "terrorizing".
Because he is a racist.
@@StrongbyLee cool
China is behaving with the best character presentation at the moment right now in the world.
This is one of the best debates I have heard on this subject
Kishore Mahbubani Sir, I have great respect for you listening to you speak. I agree 100% with your thinking. Wish there are more people of your stature.🙏🙏🙏
You mean sucking up to China after being bought sure. The only people liking this are China mainlander's and traitors who has Chinese ancestors staying in foreign countries.
@@jamesmay1375 you re emphasised the fact that the west can't digest the fact Asia is taking over the majority of the geopolitical sphere.
@@naiyayika Well I'm Asian but not Chinese so you have to be specific which country or part of Asia. Cause most South East Asians and South Asia hate China period .
that ishore miser ha..
He is just broadcasting Chinese propaganda
The moderator is partisan when he proclaimed the virus made in China. Kishore rightly pointed out that it merely was 1st discovered there. If u want more respect, do not use words to spin your veiled attacks based on your obvious inclinations. And make statements that are proven facts instead of oft-repeated accusations.
the virus was manufactured by Shi Ziang Li and was published in the journal NATURE in 2015.
@@DipakBose-bq1vv the virus was manufactured by Kenneth M. Rhymer and was published in the journal The Lancet in 2009!
The man knew the scientific views but chose to quote the false accusation that it leaked out from a Wuhan lab. He is blatantly a China basher.
the moderator literally ran for parliament for the LNP (conservative party) and the CIS is literally a right wing libertarian think tank so to say that this guy is partisan is an understatement
What, the Kung Flu isn't a China virus / China plague?
Kishore share a same sense with me about the anti China agenda in Australia. My godness Sky News Australia insists on anti China narrative meanwhile Sky News UK practice journalism neutrally and progressively
You are aware that China commenced a trade and cyber war with Australia a bit before your post. Around 70 % of Australians regard China as a threat ? Why ? You can work it out
As soon as the host says “communist regime”, everyone knows he shitted on the name “independent studies”.
Hehe so Australia must be democratical regime
Communist followed by regime is part of the English grammar. Especially in Australian English.
But it is communist reginlme , is it not ?
My observation is that we Asians are outnumbered in this debate hosted by a very close alliance of US. Professor John is reaching his decision with a very clear American way of marshalling the world in the Western way. Sadly this debate has not been fair to the Asian side without accepting the repetitive advice that Kishor asking the West to look at the situation from the Asian Point of View. Nobody wants a war even if they think a friendly Giant has grown in their neighbourhood. The American has been hostile to show the military might in a foreign region Which IT has Not Understood fully.
I agree. John M is just pushing through with such a brief history and very ignorant view
What's wrong with creating alliances? How do you resolve the issue of military conflict? Why even have strategic alliances if there was no physical conflict?
Even if everyone wants love, peace, and prosperity for all, we can't erase history, culture, religion.
Do you believe Taiwan wants to side with the US or China? Perhaps they want to be independent, but China around, do you think that's possible?
What about Ukraine? John has made it clear that Ukraine SHOULD have sided with Russia. That's clearly not a pro-US side. In fact, he states that the West bears the responsibility for the Ukrainian conflict.
@@StrongbyLee The US will never look at Asian states as equal players, even on their closest Asia ally: Japan.
Asia needs unity, we haven't gone to any major war instigated locally. We should maintain that and focus on prosperity and economic growth
Agree. I found John M's pov very tiring. He's american, so it is in his interests to 'contain' china. but that's not in ours at all, as asians in this region.
Initially, when Tom refer China as 'communist regime' or 'communist China', that is already reflect his prejudice and insulting thoughts towards China. China is not governed by a 'regime', but a big group of intelligent administrators. Do not insult superpower, as what Kishore said. Then, his tone is more 'proper'.
So intelligent, they allowed the world to be infected by a pandemic because they were trying to cover up their stuff-ups.
The only "proper" tone to deal with thuggish communists is with contempt. That this is true can be demonstrated by what Taiwan is versus what the CCP is: a successful, modern nation that isn't run by power-hungry thugs who threaten people's families if they don't get their way.
@@listsforthecurious how is China responsible for your fuck up? They seem to have contained it with a population of 1,400,000,000 ... what did the rest of the world do? They had at least 2 months head start. How are countries like the USA? Italy? Spain? France? Germany? Or the UK containing the virus? Not easy hey?
@@listsforthecurious have you been to China? Not modern? Not successful? Really!
@@listsforthecurious The fact is that more than half of Taiwan university students working in China mainland, such good infiltration, I hope Taiwan will success one day!
Mr. Kishore is indeed a gentleman n wiseman
The overwhelming majority of Americans hate Chinese. Bad days lie in store for Chinese in America.
chly coh That was then and this is now. 1984 was a lifetime ago. China and America are both building up forces in the South China Sea and the East China Sea. The US Navy is even operating in the Yellow Sea. Sooner or later one side or the other will miscalculate. Miscalculation is the handmaiden of war. There are millions of Americans unemployed and helpless because of China’s decision to infect the world with the Wuhan Virus. They blame China. So far China has killed 85,000 Americans. Their deaths at Chinese hands create a blood debt that will fall on Red Chinese such as yourself. America must have revenge. And Chinese present in America are the logical targets for revenge. My Chinese friends asked me what they should do to avoid harassment or attack. I’ve told them to tell people they are Taiwanese. Red Chinese in America are no different than German Nazis. Red China cannot protect you while you are present in North America. The US Govt. is scooping up Red Chinese spies. “...ask not for whom the Bell tolls for it tolls for the thee.”
@@TheMargaretgallagher I STRONGLY DISAGREE! I BELIEVE IF ANYTHING, THEY HATE WHAT THE CCP HAS DINE TO THE CHINESE! AS I SEE IT, THE CHINESE PUBLIC ARE JUST AS MUCH VICTIMS AS THE TIBETANS! EVEN GOD HIMSELF CAUTIONS MANKIND OF SELF PROCLAIMED GODS AND HOW OPPRESSIVE WOULD BE THEIR RULE!
@chly coh THERE IS JUST NO REPLY TO SUCH AN UNRELATED COMMENT. I HOPE IT WAS ENOUGH TO EARN YOUR FIFTY CENTS!
CHEERING FOR SPORTS AND CHEERING FOR THE CCP TO OVERTHROW COUNTRIES TO SUPPRESS HUMAN RIGHTS ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
John Mearsheimer was simply knocked out by Kishore !
I don't think so. John explained the U.S. strategies very well. And now the reality confirmed what he said which is the U.S. has more military bases in Asia
And keep selling more weapons in Asia.
@@birdyashiro1226 Yeah, that's like having a 50% mark on a test. He explained how America works very accurately, but he explained how China works falsely.
you must be joking. mahbubani lives in a parallel universe. What a nonsense. China has a huge security state. And countries with huge security states are never peaceful. china is bulding military bases all over the world. Has the biggest blue navy on the earth. And they will use it.
'i read Mearsheimer's book. he is totally delusional himself. he sets himself as the center of the universe and see everything in usa's view....he never tries to switch usa and china's role. for example: if it was china invaded iraq, or china started 2008 crsis, etc. how sad that he is U of C professor...what a shame
China doesn’t has invade other country DNA ,you are so crazy
Yuan Shen WHAT?
US has log in the eyes trying to take out speck in others' yes
*America is like that. It's in their DNA to NOT see how others might view things (differently). Americans like their shoes too much to not want to imagine how others' shoes might fit their flat donald duck feet.*
@Twin Mommy Have you updated yourself with current status of freedom of speech/press and rule of law in US? you just got a new AG that let go someone already pleaded guilty twice, you have president that fired 4 inspector general for investigating inappropriateness in administration, you have police force that profiled and murdered african american with impunity, you have MSM that controlled by billionaire and parrot whoever they aligned to, you have governors that censored and doctored covid-19 infection and death data, countless medical frontliners told to shut-up or get fired. It is just like my country now and we are trying to get rid of our government, and my country is not China. It's time to drain the swamp in Washington.
I think Kishore has been forced to excel himself. Containment, containment , containment. I have never before heard it stated so explicitely by Meirsheimer. So China must accept the USA as funnily "a regional hegemon" in "the world" and not rise to challenge the USA. China must know its place and be like Japan and S Korea subservient to the USA forever? Has Meirsheimer lost his mind?
I don't think that Meirsheimer is saying that American containment of China is the ideal situation. I think he's arguing from a realist's perspective that says whether it's the right thing to do or not, it's what the U.S. is going to try to do.
I think the argument would have some merit if the PRC wasn't run by the most thuggish dictatorship that blends the worst of radical Left and Right into its politics: the opposition to religious faith and the international imperialistic ambitions of the Communist Left, and the ethnically rooted ultranationalism under a dictator for life of the Fascist Right. I don't oppose China rising, per se: I oppose the influence of what can only be described as the evil Chinese Communist Party from gaining a greater foothold in international politics.
Alan Friesen, that’s exactly it. Hugh White of Australia says it’s not going to work and that the US will eventually withdraw from Asia. I tend to agree with Hugh because the US will not be able to build a containment coalition. The US tried already with TPP and led its partners down the primrose path for a decade only to withdraw at the last minute. So in Vietnam for example, the conservative pro China camp has gained power over the liberal pro America side.
@@richiesd1 Time changes perceptions: the perception in the Obama era was that the USA had gone a bit soft despite its rhetoric. Trump has altered that perspective, although he also did some damage with allies. Essentially, all that Australia needs is time to develop a nuclear deterrent. We have heaps of Uranium, we have good physicists. As long as the US remains firm until we can do so, we could be more self reliant, in defence terms, if it withdraws from the region. That would make it far harder for the CCP to exert military force in our direction, and strengthen our diplomacy.
Philip Crouch, if you read Hugh White, you will see that he’s advocating a go-it-alone way for Australia. That would mean more military spending at great cost. I don’t think nuclear weapons, but a stronger defense for sure.
The USA will withdraw so it would be a mistake to do the bidding of America’s geopolitical ambitions. Australia needs to find a way that is neither pro USA or China. That’s actually safer for Australia because Australia is geographically in Asia.
Here’s another talk with Mearsheimer and White
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Kishore is simply brilliant.
You haven't listened to him, stop at 'simp 'and substitute 'le' for 'ly'. He's not brilliant at all, he's been saying the same things for years, the only ones who listen to him are CCP apologists.
Yeah symphatise with CCP narrative only an idiot can't see China's narrative . Only China mainlander's n individual citizens with Chinese ancestry are supporting Kishore crap narrative as he is pushing Chinese supremacy like Hitler pushing Nazi supremacy. The world is suffering thanks to the China's virus which was handled irresponsibly by the communist pigs.
@@vinryan3267 up
@@vinryan3267 agree he's always going off topic on difficult questions and using same examples on multiple interviews and always promoting his book. China stooge.
OMG Kishore Mahbubani . You have earned new fan from me. Though you are indian , Indian news is completely different regarding virus
Kishore is not Indian, he was born and raised in Singapore.
a traitor to his race ha...
Sindhis are Pakistanis. Do you really think that it is you Indians who are really giving themselves gold?
As the old saying goes : Don't bite the hand that feeds you !
Then get fed by another hand
@@Andy-PThe irony is that the other hand has not food to feed you. get it ?
@@hanhgoldman Yes I do. There is the rest of the world but in the short term that won't help Australia. It will cost both China & Australia more. In the short term it will cost Australia more but China could lose its economic leverage over Australia.
@Dr Evil My evil deed. Leeching , not feeding is the correct word. it is exactly a self indulging glib tongue and twisting mind of you that has brought you to what you are today.
@Dr Evil my evil friend, continue be who you are. It is not an issue of calling a spade a spade but mistaken a sock as a shoe, . your head as your butt and so for ..
The underlining question that was not mentioned, Who or what is going to contain the USA.
Ivo Ferreira @UCARQi8EXSotPjub7aIrhc9g "This channel doesn't have any content"
It seems the 50 cent army hard a work in the comments section in this video, so many profiles with nothing in them at all.
Good question. Even American study concluded USA government is the biggest threat to world peace, is a clear and present danger to earth, and will likely cause an extinction level event.
Don't ask Australia. It is too oppressed to even dare to ask.
what ? ha..
Very Insightful and stimulating discussion. For most of the points discussed I will agree with Kishore "live and let others live". We have to understand Chinese civilization to understand contemporary China and its peaceful rise. Summing up I would just say 250 years old civilizations is trying stopping the way of 5000 years old civilization. China is more mature and old player. US is new player in the club. It's natural for China to rise and it's choice for US whether try to stop their peaceful rise or cooperate with them and accept the new power without getting into conflicts. The rational approach would be to accept China as a rising power. China believes in win-win while US influenced through its short history believes in zero-sum or winner takes all. Other countries have to make sure they are on the right side of the history while embracing peaceful rise of China.
US is not a new player, we have the oldest stable government. Stable since 1789, much older than Russian Federation, EU, Japanese government or CCP. Our constitution was contemporary with the Holy Roman Empire and French Revolution, predates Bolshevik Revolution by 140 years. We are old, not young.
@@maxmin4831 Man did i talk about government? No, I am talking about civilization. like it or not this up and down is important for any civilization to get mature. China has seen the bottom, that's why now they are rising. US has not seen bottom as yet but to get mature as a civilization, they will embrace bottom. This is law of nature. Maturity comes with ups and downs. So China is more mature civilization than US.
You are very wrong about this 5000 old civilization, China was destroyed many times throught it history and China today doesnt have anything in common with ancient China civilization, its the same to say that todays Egypt is the same civilization that build piramids.
@@userfuckeri destroyed many times and yet rising. When you touch bottom then you have nothing to lose, what follows next is the rise. They are rising now. They will rise more in future. They have surpassed US in many ways, economy, technology, manufacturing, infrastructure. Military and education is the next. So embrace the rise, but don't submit.
@@shamshassan8848 It's depends what you call rising. China didn't do USSR errors, maybe Mao and other Chinese rulers killed all freedom ideas. About technology you wrong 90% of technologies are created and owned on West and currently its China main problem because USA pushing to cut it(if you aware how USA blocking all tech intelligence trades to China)
View this video 1.5 years later, it’s amazing to see how intelligent and far-sighted Mr.Kishore was. He almost accurately predicted everything was going to happen. So entertaining!
intelligent that miser kishore.
This man is talking about the viewpoint of a colonist and imperialist.
Colonists and Imperialists did not have to deal with nuclear weapons, so I really don’t understand why that guy was cheering for war.
China is the hope of the future of the world.
Speechless, American is trying to say: I must take action to launch the war because I am the good guy. Pathetic human moral system, isn’t that who initiates the attack on others by sentiments supposed to be the bad guy or insane one?
China crushed Hong Kong without any hesitation.
China's window of opportunity in Xi's life time is the next few years. After that all the headwinds will stall China's growth and militarily America & allies will get stronger. China will get old before it get rich. Xi may feel forced to play the military card. I hope not.
@@darbyheavey406 crushed? HK riots lasted for a whole freaking year, and 0 confirmed death caused by the HK police.
You call this "crush", then how do you call what's happening in America on daily basis?
Geopolitics is not for sensitive hearts, RH, the Chinese will try to become a regional hegemony in Asia, that means throwing the Americans out....the USA just ain't gonna let that happen.
And besides; Japan, Indonesia, Singapore, Philippines, Vietnam...will move heaven and earth to prevent Chinese Hegemony.
@@darbyheavey406 I’m a Hongkonger and I can confirm that you speak bollocks
lol, props to Kishore Mahubani. he already knew the trajectory that this conversation was going to take - a very biased, anti-china stance - and he corrected and addressed switzer's statements politely but swiftly when necesary. it's not even conclusive yet that the virus was "made in china" to use switzer's provocative and slanderous language.
How did NATO Alliance worked out in Afghanistan???
54:06 John: “America is an incredibly rich country“. How arrogant you have to be saying that with audacity, my goodness, how many trillions in debt? Without the ability to print money and letting the world to shoulder the mighty $, it would be bankrupted many times over.
I agree with you, the US almost bankrupted if it wasn't for China helping the US during the 2008 financial crisis. The American's never mention any about that.
There is no limit to printing money and passing on inflation to other developing countries, as the us has done before.
It's not as simple as that I'm afraid. The extent of US debt is a reflection of its enormous power, economically, politically, militarily and technologically. You know creditors have a choice over who they wish to lend to.
Will James obviously, but do you think the productivity of US workers resulted in the high standard of living? There is no way that is the case. We enjoy the high standard of living is based on the dollar being a reserve currency everyone on the earth have to use for trade, that enables us to print money as we wish without worrying the consequences. When we import from China and enjoy that half trillion deficits we simply print the paper money and get the goods.
@@jdc3636 If productivity is defined as value created per person per hour, then the US is the more productive than China. This is because the best segments of global value chains exist in the US. This is the great envy of China. Countries like China only enjoy those middle segments but is challenging for those 'commanding heights' with its national socialist industrial polices. The reasons for the trade war becomes much more clear from this perspective.
With professor like John Mearsheimer "educating" the American, the US is going to fall for sure.
What are you talking about? The US reached its economic peak before COVID and its recovering right now. You couldn't say the same thing with China.
@@goochigoochs3836
Ahem* riots, store looted, expensive hospital bills etc.
Shouldn't you be egging more of people like him? Why worry? 😘
Yep. The introduction was a horrendously biased view of world history.
The US did not defeat Imperial Germany. It was a coalition of Allied states, of which France, Britain and Russia did the lion's share of the fighting. The US did not even enter the war until 1917; when the war started in 1914.
The US did not defeat Nazi Germany alone. Something like 70% of the German losses were suffered against the Soviet Union.
The US did not defeat Imperial Japan alone. Most of the Japanese army was locked in China.
The US moreover did not defeat the Soviet Union alone. If you look at the economic downturn that resulted in the collapse of the Soviet Empire, the key player was not America or Reagan. It was West Germany and imports from the European market.
The US in fact has a very bad habit of thinking it "wins" or "defeats" other powers on its own; mostly because the government pushes this idea of American exceptionalism to try and secure more domestic votes. Unfortunately, this also tends to result in the US government believing their own lies - hence the string of misadventures in the past two decades where the US apparently can't beat goat herders in the mountains.
@@thomasellysonting3554 Allied forces were already defeated except for Britain when the USA enters the war. But even then, Britain was on the verge of getting defeated.
The 2 debater Kishore & Mearsheimer exactly depict the Asian outlook & Western outlook of the world. One the Western view points it is the survival of the fittest the stronger one will walloped the weaker one. I am just being candid here the Western always look at winner take all...Asian doesn't look at it this way there is always a path to co-existence which can benefits both....that is being Civilize. That is what former Malaysian PM Mahathir said "We have been China neighbor for thousands of year yet China have never Colonised or Conquered us...but when the Western came via Portuguese, Conquered us withina few yrs" follow by....Dutch, British, French....within a few years there Conquered & Colonised everyone in Asia wow what a revaluation!!!!!
"Will China rise peacefully" isn't it depends on how the western countries response to it?
Exactly
Yep. If anything it should be asked of the western nations.
@@questworldmatrix right on
Neoimperalism in Tibet, Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia, state-organized mass organ harvesting, new forms of concentration camps for certain ethnic and religious minorities, utilisation of social credit system and other state of the art public surveillance apparatus, massive covid-19 cover up...
CCP idea of peaceful rise is beginning to look quite similar to peaceful rise of Nazi Germany and USSR isn't it??
@@kingofnone8565 fuck off cheap troll
Clearly, Prof. Mearsheimer doesn't understand China and the Chinese, moreover the history of Aisa, but he does understand the US mentality.
Prof. Mahbubani is trying to give the solution that we can avoid tragedy, but they just don't believe that we could have a solution.
they knew nothing of the geo political aspects of south east asia idiots panelist.
Mearsheimer is too influenced by the Nixon/Kissinger era of foreign policy. Not everyone country operates in the same incentive system as the westerners. What happens when the counterparty doesnt care about « dominance »? There is no need for containment in that world.
Mearsheimer is a bitter old man in a wrong era.
Prof. Mearsheimer gets the US part right in their approach but he then applies that to everyone else which is a mistake but at the same time history has shown what most great powers do. I don't think the US will allow China to rise peacefully, it will do what's it already doing by trying to support color revolutions, student led protests etc... that are funded by ngo's like the NED, The National Endowment for Democracy which funds these groups, look at what happened in Myanmar, Hong Kong, Thailand what goes on in any country that's part of the belt and road initiative should be watched closely because the US doesn't want it happening.
The Pakistani President just recently said the US tried to pay off Pakistani politicians to try an oust him, remember he wouldn't condemn Russia or sanction them and instead made a gas deal. He says he's got evidence so we'll see.
west people always like that 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
Why Australia keeps provoking China? If we look back at all the recent issues between Australia anfmd China, it's always Australia that start picking a fight.
Australia is America‘s bitch.
Internet freedom:Some people of Australia provoked by social media.
Multi-party system : US can support Australia's Pro-US party against China
Freedom of the press : Australian media are supported by American capital, and of course they are controlled by American capital.
At the same time, think about the U.S. military base in Australia. The United States tells Australians that China is a villain through newspapers, television and social media. People are the foundation of politics. As a result:
Politically, Australia is a puppy of the United States. The United States asked Australia to do sth, Australia has little ability to oppose it , even if it is not in Australia's interest.
Didn’t Napoleon allegedly compare China to a sleeping giant/lion that shouldn’t be woken? Now that it’s awake. At least don’t poke it.
Listening to this old discussion, it so real that Meisheimer epitomizes the war mongering USA who
1. Cannot bear to lose its imperialist and hegemonic status when he insist that USA will do anything to contain and destruct China based on fear, jealousy, lies and anger
2. How USA is the king and colonial master of Australia when Australia really did forego its prosperity for security (remember how he threatened, humiliated and cowed Australia in his talk in Australia)when Australians were thwarted from exporting to China and foolishly agreed to an Auskus deal where its prosperity is taken away by US and UK for some outdated subs.
So much for a lap dog Scumo to boot when USA sells to China what Australia abstained from.
Americans had the pleasure of choosing who to run American policies every 4 years which actually are the same regardless of GOP or Demos in charge. They continue to decline and go into poverty, enjoy decaying infrastructures and being ruled by plutocrats.
My respect to Kishore..He is the present and future representation of WORLD PEACE as Meisheimer is the Past as a disrespectful warhog and bully.
Meisheimer is realistic
You're completely wrong on Mearsheimer. He illustrates, as a realist international relations thinker, what in his view Great Powers have done in the past, continue to do in the present and will do in the future. He considers that all the wars the US has fought, or sponsored in the past 30 years have been bad ideas from a policy standpoint; he does not get into morality, that's not what he's talking about. He's a liberal democrat but believes that the US fighting wars to spread liberal doctrine has been a foolhardy foreign policy strategy, that is ideological, not realist. With all due respect, you cannot be at all familiar with him to consider him to be a "war monger".
Dr Kishore👍
Kishore Mahbuhani is as usual brilliant.
Kishore brilliant? BS . This is now the new world of human rights and freedom. If ever China is a free and democratic country like most the world society then l think China can be one of the great country of the world. Hi Kishore, why don’t you move over to the Communist China and see how’s life is like? China wants to be the world power? Before coming to that, they are already bullying neighboring countries. SCS. Covid-19 , Why China shut down all internal flights in China but not Internationally ? Don’t ever forget, CCP China is corrupt abuse to people of China. If the USA wants to dominate China, it will have done it lJuong time ago. US and Western world are trying to help Chinese but the Communists see that as a danger to their power. Misinformation and all the censorship in China, what do you think,Kishore? What happens to the doctors that reported the Covid-19cases in the beginning in Wuhan? Kishore your thinking of the world view now are out dated. Communist, Dictator,and Facist system for the world are not for the people of human rights and freedom. Those systems of governing the people of the free world has been done. Please keep that in mind.
See wah Leong that what we called balance, you need a black n white,good and bad, right and Wrong, depending what side are you on buddy?
@@seewahleong8459 Kishore is the most pro-China diplomat in Singapore. He is a believer in the CCP propaganda which emphasizes the economy and ignores human rights issues such as Uyghur concentration camp and HK repression. Much of what he says is the same to CCP talking points on People's Daily and Xinhua News Agency. Please understand a lot of people in Singapore and in the world don't agree with that.
@@ethansun1025
Regarding Uyghur which western like to label it as labor camp. I can place alot of sources to counter argue but I believe none will take it seriously, however this will top it all.
Who know more about Muslim then Muslims themselves. They all been there to check it out, and they agreed with the method of reeducation. Unless you prefer US method of putting them in Guantanamo Bay prison which is notorious of inhuman act conducted there.
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jamestown.org/program/the-22-vs-50-diplomatic-split-between-the-west-and-china-over-xinjiang-and-human-rights/
Most Muslims countries side with China whereas those disagree are happened to be all Westerners.
If you still choose not to believe, by all means go there and see for yourself, talk to the local.
One more note, you do not represent the majority of the people nor the world, to think is in itself arrogant.
HK repression are no more by their own action. China did not partake on it.
Since we come to the topic of Uyghur
Because of the real fear and past attacks where many hundreds were killed including both Chinese and Uyghur, China now has a pre-emptive policy rotating part of the population through vocational training centres.
Many Uighurs have left China porous western border for military training and partake in jihads or joined various terrorist groups such as ETLO, ETIM, TIP, etc, for many decades. These battle hardened terrorists returning may strengthen the terrorist groups and poison an entire generation in their society. Of 18,000 Uighurs in Syria, 5000 are fighters, and some were even held in US Guantanamo camp.
And those groups are deadly and serious, causing multiple terrorist attacks. Just listen to their chilling words:
"If you do not wage jihad, you will never be able to get rid of the oppression of the infidels which makes you abandon the religion and which makes slaves of you. Thus, you will not be able to be rescued from the oppression of this world and the torments of the hereafter, or find eternal happiness until you return to the religion of Allah. . ." - Abdul Haq (Memetiming Memeti), a commander in the Uyghur separatist movement Turkistan Islamic Party (East Turkestan Islamic Movement)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Haq_(ETIP)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkistan_Islamic_Party
"We have to conquer our own country and purify it of all infidels. Then, we should conquer the infidels' countries and spread Islam. The infidels who are usurping our countries have announced war against Islam and Muslims, forcing Muslims to abandon Islam and change their beliefs." - Abdullah Mansour, current leader of the Uyghur separatist movement Turkistan Islamic Party (East Turkestan Islamic Movement), from "The Duty of Faith and Support," Voice of Islam/al-Fajr Media Center.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_Mansour
West and Allies. The West and allies has really messed up the Middle East - nurturing Al Qaeda, ISIS, and perpetuating the endless wars, cyclical violence and rise of radical Islam. After trillions of USD later, there is still a lust for jihads, and that cancer has spread into China.
China Policy and Actions. In crackdown, China has sealed the border tightly, enhanced surveillance, and apprehended 13,000 terrorist suspects.
And the vocational training is to wean them from other counter productive activities and make more economically more productive. Plus, proverty is also one of the main cause of terrorism and this is why China trying to quicken the progress of develop at that area.
Remember once, Chechnya was always a favorite and supported by MSM and the West for decades.
www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-18190473
China will not let Xinjiang become the same as Chechnya,
China is prepared to take international hits in doing such a bold huge alternative solution - a costly social experiment to inoculate or insulate against what she perceived as real and present dangers or to advance the basic well being at least economically - as part of nation wide poverty alleviation strategy and ‘Develop the West’ policy) - and hopefully even to boost social integration and stability.
Ultimately, China wants peace and stability. And not something like this.
June 15, 2014
Four injured in knife attack on chess hall in Xinjiang region
www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-16/another-knife-attack-in-china27s-xinjiang-province/5526888?section=australianetworknews
May 22, 2014
At least 31 dead after explosives thrown from vehicles at a market in Urumqi, capital of Xinjiang
www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-22/uruqmi-explosion-kills-at-least-31-in-china-xinjiang-region/5470448
May 1, 2014
Three people killed in a blast at a railway station in Xinjiang region
www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-01/deadly-blast-hits-train-station-in-chinas-xinjiang-region/5422540
March 2, 2014
Knife-wielding attackers kill 29 people in a 'violent terror attack' at a train station in Kunming
www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-02/33-killed-in-mass-stabbing-at-china-train-station/5293220?nw=0
October 28, 2013
Five people killed when a car ploughs into pedestrians and catches fire in Beijing's Tiananmen Square
www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-16/another-knife-attack-in-china27s-xinjiang-province/5526888?section=australianetworknews
Effectiveness so far? Peace so far. No incidences of violence for 3 years. Better security and safety for all in Xinjiang. People trained can find jobs, I think it is better than turning Xinjiang into a endless long term dysfunctional and hate-filled nightmare.
@@seewahleong8459
Too bad you never knew anything about US and what they actually did if your mind is only fixated on biased and fake news regarding China. US had done far horrendous moments and still continue to this days.
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Go read it, it is a long list of timeline till 2015. And even after 2015 there is still more. Do tell me how US 'help'.
Please keep in mind that people in China have more human rights and freedom than you think.
Go access to Weibo and Zhihu app and you will see people openly criticize issue in the government
www.zhihu.com/question/264638793/answer/471927002
weibo.com/overseas
qr.ae/pNsD3M
China has some very clear ideas of what is and is not acceptable in this topic. Most people are surprised to find out that registered protests are perfectly fine and happen all the time. There are roughly 500+ protest every single day in China for major and minor issues (there was a protest in a compound I lived in because they were increases the cost of utilities).
The Chinese government is also always doing market research and asks for feedback. As far as I can tell it is a “key performance index” based on who is giving feedback, so they love getting feedback from people to improve themselves
Do they allow criticism? Yes, obviously. They have to, else they (official positions) would be overthrown. But more importantly, they need criticism from THE CITIZENS to self-correct themselves constantly. And they would welcome it even more if the criticism comes with a viable solution they can work on. But once again, if the intent of the criticism is to create social unrest, incite a rebellion/seperation of the state, or using this tool for self-interest with malicious intent towards the collective interest of the State and/or the citizens of the PRC, why they should not jail you up and put you away?
From my knowledge, all the governments in the world have some form of laws that limits criticism against themselves. It is naive to think that you can go about criticizing without limits.
Freedom of speech in the USA?
Check this out www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2385
Why the hell does Taiwan need US to defend herself? If US would just stop poking its nose to others' affairs and stop building military bases, the world would be a less hostile place to live in.
But China has built several military bases in the Pacific and certain Asian countries. Military bases have no other use but to extend military power....
www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/03/china-will-build-string-of-military-bases-around-world-says-pentagon
If kishore doesn't give australians the chills, I don't know what would. A person like Kishore takes a lot of delight in making the australians quake in their boots.
Kishore is a paid CCP troll, I am sure there are similar people in Australia
He is blunt, he doesnt sugar coat. Australia has been hyping up "China threat" and the recent behaviours by Australian administration are a great concern to Chinese.
1. Solomon Islands hype up.
2. Nuclear Sub deal with US, which has been rebuked by Keating, is not a defence deal.
3. Various fearmongering Chinese PLA army videos played on media.
4. Lack of diplomatic talks.
So his blunt response that Australia needs to rethink their diplomatic strategy is a perfect response to the question posed by the interviewer who asked him why is China doing trade ban with Australia.
@@Vlog-hu8gb I disagree he is a CCP troll.
Kishore is a realist and an optimist.
Realist because he sees China's growth potential to become an economic super power, he also sees India's growth potential. Mearsheimer says China will try to be a regional hegemony, which I think is not easy, because of the very fact that China is near other great power like Russia which it is heavily dependent, and there's India which also has great potential.
Additionally, he sees as I see, that China doesnt want conflict. China has another 30-50% of development to do. Entering into a military conflict will stall the international trade, look at Ukrainian conflict. China wants peace, peace promotes trade, and right now China is the world factory, its also building BRI trade routes to facilitate trade.
Optimist, knowing the above two points, he is hoping that China would be able to rise peacefully, but the real question is Would US hegemony die peacefully? Like Mearsheimer says US is hell bent on containing China. Right now US is trying to wreck Russia, which is China's "no limit" partner. US is also arming Taiwan, preparing Aus-China conflict, India-China conflict. I would think China's peaceful rise is not possible, because US wouldnt allow it, but Kishore is an optimist and he believes that Chinese administration is capable of tactfully managing US aggressive foreign policy.
Footnote: China brokered a peace deal of a decade long conflict between Saudi and Iran. Reports are Russia is close to brokering Syria-Turkey peace deal. Which would essentially mean stability on Northern Middle East.
@@Vlog-hu8gb We ASEAN countries still vividly remember imperial Japan's cruelty in WW2 and US bombardment of Vietnam war. Even now there always are casaulties from dud bombs and unclear minefield.
American soldiers are not welcome.
@@donparky1812
You still remember a few years of war and forgot centuries of oppression by Western Europeans, who besides other atrocities were involved in trafficking and slave trade of your women for hundreds of years
western civilazation has fallen. i thank God, that he is giving the rest of the world a chance to survive by making china ruler.
This is clearly political and Australia has picked their horse in the US when no one has really asked them. Kishore is correct reminding them they're geographically in Asia and picking the other side is not wise long term.
No balls to stand on their own. But hey they have a racist history and so does the US. birds of a feather flocks together.
@@cam35mm That is the brutal truth. A lot of virtue signalling commentators here will comment they prefer the US because of superior morality or common values (easily invalidated by observed past behaviour). They are too cowardly to admit it's about race and power, and they don't like the idea of jaundiced Asian shorties surpassing the mayo ubermensch, to the point they will incite devastating armed conflict.
@@noninsignia I live in Vancouver and I understand the resentment. Vancouver real estate is similar to Australia's, a lot finger pointing at China over the inflated prices. But the truth it's the Gov't fault, we took the tax revenue. I have realtor friends that say on the extreme, some mainlander are buying 50+ properties. Lineups for presales that buy one for every member of the family is definitely a thing here. If I had to guess it's the same in Australia.
@@terencekwong3033 Can confirm it's similar here. And there's no finger pointing at other nationality's larger ownership of Australian assets (primarily because they are of the correct ethnicity), or the culture that promotes property as investment. Quite frankly there is no oversight of the property market, because governement wouldn't want upset the rentier class (which I'd wager are, by far, not exclusively Chinese)
YES CLEARLY! THE CCP DEATH GRIP IS BETTER THAN SELFMASTORY! COMMUNIST CONTROL>> WHERE YOU ARE PADDLE LOCKED IN YOUR HOME BY THE POLICE IF YOU WERE OBSERVED IN CONTACT WITH A COVID POSITIVE. SO IN STEAD OF GETTING THE TREATMENT NEEDED IN ISOLATION,YOU REMAIN LOCKED IN WITH YOUR WHOLE FAMILY! FAMILIES IN WUHAN WERE INFECTED AND DIED AT HOME BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T GET OUT TO GET MEDICAL HELP. THE CCP IS EVIL LIKE THE VERY VIRUS THEY SPREAD! WE WILL FIND A VACCINE THAT WORKS ON COVID AS WELL AS A VACCINE TO WIPE OUT THE CCP!
Great debate. What was brought to light for me is the U.S‘ assumptions about China. The U.S bullys and dominates as a world power, their fear that China would do the same led to a ’containment strategy‘. The double standards. I hope that Kishore is right - that China will be different, that she will seek win-win and bring other countries up vs. seeing everything as a zero-sum game like the U.S.
Kudos to the CIS for getting two very differnt perspectives on this subject. It seems to me Australians have bought into the U.S’ version of the China story. There are always more than 1 side to a story.
I’m Chinese. I think Chinese government has no interest practicing hegemony. The mainstream ideology is pursuing stability and prosperity. An old Chinese saying goes “harmony is treasure.” We seek peace while not accepting bullying by hegemonies.
Hegemony is what's being practiced by the medieval leadership of China currently for example your only claim to some of islands in south China sea is ancient Chinese have gone there fishing besides the brutal occupation of unarmed peace loving Tibetans is against all norms of decency ...
MORAL of the story is all POWERS are CORRUPT & absolute powers corrupt absolutely, but there's an even more powerful virus playing the truant & eventually would bring both these powers to their toes soon enough & there after this world would be a far better place to live with mutual respect amongst mankind.
I agree with you.
The only reason why I upvoted was because of Kishore.
If the world followed John Mearsheimer's Cold War kind of thinking, we would be doomed to a WWIII and then it will definitely be a lose-lose game all around.
Not at all. China has the ability to reform to include more freedom and flexibility in its system, which would be a net benefit to everyone -- especially Chinese citizens.
Cooperating with a tyrannical government wouldn't be beneficial to anyone.
@@jimluebke3869 ?
Wdym by not at all?
But personally, I think that the Chinese system is already quite flexible. In fact, most people are free. Whether or not Western people understand/are able to comprehend this is up to them, I guess, but it doesn't really matter, because at the end of the day, Chinese people are just living their lives happily.
@@angeliquewu8318 Hong Kong is free? Falun Gong practitioners are free? Christians are free?
Does it ever bother you that you lie so much?
@Jim, I can't stand fools like you, who don't know anything about China... But at the same time you fools think you know better than Chinese people what's happening in China.. Are you guys stupid or what? You don't speak Chinese, you never been to China, only time you ever speak to Chinese is in a restaurant...
The media and govt of your nation can't even tell you the truth about your own nation, they are constantly lying.. But you believe everything they say about China... That's the definition of being an idiot...
Anyway, no one kills more people, destroys more nations than Western democracies, and that's 100% facts.
You went around the world stealing resources, killing people and destroying nations and it never stopped till this day...
But dumb people like you, who don't know their own history, think they have a right to lecture others.. Just STFU, you Western POS...
@@jimluebke3869 Hong Kong enjoy far more Freedom under China
You are just opening your big mouth
You know nothing about Asia and
Asia history
In China, many people think of Australia as a no brainer that when he was been sold out by someone else, he is the one who is helping that person who sold him to Counting money.
Quite a lot of young, bright Chinese students chose to study in Australia, before the Wuhan virus, they all received excellent education. You clearly weren't one of them. What on earth are you trying to say ?
you can't even post intelligibly ha...
@@baldogtondo7017 我的母语又不是英文，讲得有差池有什么好嘲讽的👎
@@grumpyrabbit1934 namo rin ha..
Mahbubahni is sooooooo right. We should all work together. This obsession of controlling the world is leading us nowhere. Diplomacy is key. Have we not learn from real history? China has worked hard to be in the position it finds itself into. We should encourage that growth and turn it into an opportunity for others to flourish NOT a threat
He's right about some things but he's not right about one thing that he mentioned
@Nadia Munday "China has worked hard to be in the position it finds itself into. We should encourage that growth ..." Hard work, my backside. China had been a basket case for 200 years until the US and the Commonwealth freed it from Japan in 1945. It continued as a basket case for another 30 years until the US stepped in again, gave it privileged access to the US market, sponsored its membership of WTO and WHO, invested heavily, effectively making a gift of the mighty industry to it so CCP could reap the benefits of cheap labour. Without the US, China would still be a basket case.
Uyghurs aren’t people amiright?
@@angusmckenzie9622 capital flowed from everywhere and much earlier than the WTO admission, since Mao´s death and the opening to foreign capital in 1984, nothing US promoted or incentivised
it is not correct by saying that Southeast Asian leaders are fearful of China raising power. I have noted a number of Asian leaders have welcome China's investment and its cooperation. Just ask the president of the Philippine.
Kishore is sensible, logical, who spoke frankly and the truth, and on the other hand, John is on the defense who is refusing to accept sensible reasoning, he needs to communicate with the people in SE Asia region with an open mind or maybe he just cannot bear to lose his White European superior status (Been a white American he would have experienced the "the white european superior status"). I am not been rude as I can understand the mentality when I mention "the white european superior status" as this superiority thinking was forged during colonialism and slavery period it is regretfully to say that this thinking and colonialism still largely exist.
Baloney.
John cant, his mindset is that of a usurper, he and his elk will always be uneasy as the asians presence becomes dominant in their one home region Kishore is from the colonised class he understands Johns fears.
Eleven months after your debate, it is getting crystal clear that the predictions made by Professor KM are precisely right.
My ThumbsUp
The man who want to bet on the US, good luck to you. American democracy is dying...
for the better
Adrián it’s ok you have your faith in it. But after living in the US and reading a whole lot of politics books. I’ve gradually generated a idea that the current political system in the US is shrinking, and it is irreversible. Don’t get me wrong then, I love the country, just don’t like those politicians.
@@michaelliu4773 my point was that i dont believe in democracy but what do you mean by shrinking?
@@Adrian-qi5ii sry for getting you wrong. Francis Fukuyama, you can read some of his books if you are interested. Anyway, that was just my personal opinion, it might be very wrong. Cheers
@@michaelliu4773 Actually I have one book by him on the origins of power.
I also know his famous thesis although I follow the ideas of offensive realism (in IR).
Kishore speech is awsome .....
I completely agree with Kishore's view. Both guests are realists, but Mearsheimer endorse a confrontational strategy against China, whereas Kishore suggests a 'seeking common ground despite differences' policy. Confronting China aggressively under the security umbrella of US, is only destructive. That is because US had stated in their national security reports that China is US no 1 security threat. Even if China is not assertive, US would have to do China in. That means Asia would be in danger because the battleground is in this region. Our whole economy and whole lifestyle will de devastated. But why must we confront China when the China trade form much of the bulk of economic benefits to Asian countries? By killing the goose which lay the golden eggs is not only unwise, but stupid. Asia should welcome US only she herself is a responsible world stakeholder and not come with sinister motive. It is not a win-lose game as Mearsheimer suggests. US can still change her mind and work hand in hand with China, only if US stop making China into an enemy.
THEN HAVE CHINA FREE TAIWAN, HONG KONG AND TIBET AS WELL AS ANY OTHER NATION WHO IS CURRENTLY BEING DEVASTATED BY THE CCP " DO AS I SAY OR DIE" RULE! IF THE CCP IS NOT THE DEVIL IT IS SAID TO BE, WHY DO ALL THESE ISLANDS WANT TO BE FREE FROM CHINA RULE? WHY WOULD THEY RATHER DIE THAN BE A PART OF CCP CONTROL? PICKLE ON THAT FOR A MOMENT! THE USA IS ANSWERING THE DISTRESS CALLS OF THE NATIONS IN QUESTION! THE US IS NOT MAKING CHINA OUT TO BE THE ENEMY! NO NO NO! THE CHINESE ARE ALSO A VICTIM OF THE CCP! THE US IS CALLING OUT THE TRUE ENEMY TO FREEDOM, THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY(CCP) NO MORE DEALS WITH THE CCP!
victor breazzeal bla bla bla
@@victorbreazzeal7715 *Victor, Victor, Victor ... lower your voice, please. You're frightening my cats. Taiwan, like Hong Kong and Macao, is part of China. Like it or not that's been a historical fact for over a thousand years. How would USA like it if hispanic New Mexicans demand independence and the PLA came to help them?*
@@wahyuindrasto what about Tybet,???
Killing the goose that lays the golden eggs? That could very well describe Western investment in the PRC that could dry up as the CCP becomes increasingly belligerent.
Awesome discussion. The sheer quality of the conversation was tremendous. Coming from an interview of Kishore where the interviewer was the limiting factor, this was a welcome change. In the end, it is not important who won, but how well you played.
read my replies above we filipinos were victims of the chinese mongoloid expansionism...
"Has China Won?" don't know, but Mahbubani won!
Disagree..
So true. His new book is now the best seller and he's earned a tons of money from those interviews and lectures on China.
In war there are no winners! Only losers. USA has finally lost it by putting an IDIOT Trump in charge. Imagine a person who claims Coronavirus is a hoax.... 80,0000 deaths, China’s to be blamed to deflect his failings, higher deaths...due to doing test..... What you idiotic simpleton. It’s not just Trump, the whole House of Congress are complicit and incompetent. Move aside USA. The world is better off without your evil tentacles and meddling. I must congratulate China for the leadership to send aid to the world.
@@alanx1522 90k death now
TWO PEOPLES OPINIONS DO NOT ESTABLISH AN ANSWER TO SUCH A QUESTION. BESIDES, THE RACE IS STILL IN MOTION, THE TRUTH WILL ONLY BE DETERMINED ONCE THE CCP HAS RUN ITS COURSE... WILL THE WORLD BOW TO ONE SUPREME RULER OF CHINESE DESCENT? OR WILL FREE AGENCY PREVAIL AND OVERTHROW THE EVILS SELF PROCLAIMED GODS?
It is good to watch this debate again in October 2020, five months after it was first put onto UA-cam. Facts tell that China and some of its neighbours, who are not communists, have done well in combating and controlling Covid-19, whereas the USA, much of South America and Europe have suffered and continue to suffer badly due to the Coronavirus. This reflects governance and leadership. In my opinion, Western politicians in general are good talkers but not good doers. They don't serve their people. They serve themselves. They have the "me first" attitude. This is totally opposite to many politicians in the East who have a different type of upbringing in a different culture and tradition. Eastern politicians are generally more humble and reserved, they work more than they talk, and they serve their people. It is also to do with the citizens in the East who are patriotic and obey the government in a pandemic. They sacrifice the so-called "human rights", "democracy" and "freedom" that they West always champion about.
The UK is now in a mess going back to square one after wasting so many months of indecisive and inconsistent approach in tackling the Coronavirus. People want freedom; yes they can spread the virus. People want democracy, yes, they can debate on the subject with opposing views. People want human rights, yes, they can break the newly imposed laws.
The situation in the USA is actually worse where many people believe Donald Trump's words that the virus is actually a hoax. In March when the Coronavirus got worse in the USA, people queued up round the block to buy guns to protect themselves. What sort of society is it? A warmongering country such as the USA wants chaos in the world so that it can sell them arms, such as to country like Saudi Arabia, who is alleged to have a poor human rights record, but does the USA care? They only see the $ sign and Saudi Arabia is not seen as a threat.
Double standards abound in daily life and yet the West have the cheek to lecture other countries why they are not like them. It would have been a disaster if China were like the USA because China would have been a very aggressive country starting many physical wars already just like the USA is constantly doing around the world.
noted ha..
So well said !!! I agree with you 100%.
How’s the Shanghai lockdown going? And how are the Uyghurs and Tibetans doing? Loving life in perfect China?
May 2021 all of Shanghai is locked down, residents bolted into their apartments yelling and banging on pans wishing for food.
Similar cases on the surface but different in reality. Taiwan is not a recognized country in the international political system, not even by the US. China considers Taiwan as an indivisible part of the country, never recognized taiwan. In fact Taiwan started as place where the losing side of the civil war decided to exile.
John, tell your compatriots first to try to combat the Covid 19 before boasting about how great the US is. Doing is louder than talking. You look very like Trump in talking but unlike him in many things. The Australian government should appoint Kishore to be its consultant on internation affairs.
Why would we appoint such a man? The most charitable description of his position is that it might make sense for Singapore to adopt such a perspective, because it is a) essentially a city state, b) reliant on a highly restricted set of service industries like financial services etc. to function, c) extremely reliant on shipping to supply its population with essentials, in relatively close proximity to China, in a strategic maritime chokepoint that the CCP is interested in, d) mostly ethnically Chinese, and therefore more likely to be susceptible to United Front soft power tactics. To be honest, I suspect Singaporean governments will try to blow smoke up the arses of the CCP officials with wily diplomacy whilst pursuing their own national interest without the glare of public attention. Australia is self-reliant in all of the essentials of life: we have surpluses of food, we supply enormous volumes of raw materials to the rest of the world, we can supply our own high quality iron etc. We are less susceptible to United Front infiltration, because most Australians are not of Chinese origin and not susceptible to ethic Chinese nationalism, we are much further away etc. The CCP could gravely harm our economy in the short to medium term, but with the re-arrangement of supply chains and some adjustment to our unusually high standard of living, it can't seriously threaten Australia except in a military sense. And, I have enough faith in the US strategic umbrella and our ability to resource our Navy to ensure that continent wide blockade or land invasion is effectively impossible.
@@listsforthecurious I like you to say sth. about the case of Timor Leste connecting to Indonesia, also dragging Thailand to participate in the robbery game of petro resources in its terroritorial area. Talk about the US-Australian false flag leading to a waging pf war under the fake peace-keeping force of the UN. The unusaual closeness of the two countries in operatimg their international policies in the ASEAN and SCS regions. It 's not surprising that Indonesia applies an indifference attitude toward your country. In that country, they could not wipe away from their memory what you did to them in rhe Timor case. Australia and the US together act like a robbery gangster of the world. China readily utilizes trade with your country as an economic weapon not unlike the US. Let the aussies eat up all the beef that has been banned from importing to that giant country. Go to find some other market to sell the banned barley at a very low price. Don't export it to Thailand. We never want it and have rice be our favorite staple. Ok, economically decouple yourself from China. Let see what will happen to you soon. Prove in practice that you do not need rely on it. You can be economically independent from it. Let you prove it. That giant economy does not need to rely on you either. Running short of Australia to be one of its trading partners is analogous to a mosquito bite on human body. Hahahahah
@@suratpongpipatpanich5627 No doubt Philip Crouch would characterise Australia's intervention in East Timor as glorious liberation. No doubt the East Timorese enjoyed their new found freedom by being spied on by ASIO to be screwed in negotiations with Australia for their resources. Thank you virtuous, honest, and freedom loving Anglosphere.
@@noninsignia Timor Leste was formerly East Timor. All the turbulance started off with a mishandling and suppression of the Indonesian government on native people over there. The US together with its allies saw an opportunity to intervene since they knew before there was a petro reserve in the vicinity of Timor island not far away from Australia, by sattellite advancement of the US without field exploration. A whole lot of conspiracy and false flags had ensued throughout many years with Indonesia falling into the trap being set up by the US alliance. Eventually, it succeeded like the Iraqi case much in the sense that all were just cross-country robbing of petro resources as the real motivation. Austrlia and the US rarely give a damn to people liberation no matter be the case of Hong Kong protest or Taiwanese movement to independence. Please believe me.
@@listsforthecurious Philip, yes, no one will argue with you that Australia is self reliant. But your principle market is China and there is nobody that can take up the slack. Don't delude yourself. You don't have to worry about defence. China is not interested in invading and having to oversee an unfriendly population. The name of the game is to improve standard of living and what is sourced from Australia as you know can be sourced from elsewhere by China. China will continue to prosper but Australia's economy will tank. Is a tie up with the US really worth it? Just for Hollywood movies? Don't worry you can still get to watch it as it may be one of the few exportable US products in the future.
Kishor - you are the true guru on geopolitics. I am educated every time when watch your speeches.
John - Cold War is long gone, entire world has moved on. Time to retire.
Tom - your Australia wanted an enemy and you got one, a big one! Congratulations!
Well. I wonder if John will want to revisit his answer on whether the US is a failed state now?
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@@ironboy1023 savage. 😂
@@karllo9116 or now, rolling blackouts in texas
John, can you name one superpower who stayed on top forever?
None, but China last longest as No.1, China is just going back to No.1. Uncle Sam, please get out of the way and we need a fair competition.
US history is short - so he doesn't understand that
@@天下为公-o2p Please get out the way. I think you have a good point. America won't so China will have to fight to become No1 else remain No 2. Whats wrong with being No2?
I agree. But I don't think china will get it. Not without a war. You have to remember China GDP is 12.5 trillion annually. And have 1.4 billion people. The US have 19 trillion GDP and only 330 million people. The US is not only 6 trillion annually richer than China. But also have a larger GDP per capita. Meaning they can out match China if it awakens
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The anglos are inclined to choose war where no one wins and danger to existence oh life on earth
At least the Anglosphere defends the liberty of the world: something that folk whose ancestors were oppressed by communist dictatorships in Central Europe should be very thankful for!
It's weird you think the angles liberated eastern Europe you must be watching the BBC the Anglos propaganda instead of reading history to which they are historically colonists over the world
@@MrMSalexanderMK The pressure of the USA on the Soviet Empire brought it down. They certainly embody the Anglo-Saxon valuing of the individual person and his liberty. And to be frank: I'd prefer to be part of a people that took good, civilised values around the world, and created places like Australia for ourselves and others to enjoy, than the peoples caught up in the intrigues of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Russian Empire, and the Ottoman Empire, then between the pro-liberty West and the Russian core of the Soviet Empire. Colonialism has never been a swearword in my vocabulary. :)
@@listsforthecurious Good civilised values like murdering indigenous people and taking their land. Such an exceptional example for everyone to follow.
Yeah, my worry is the Anglosphere will flip the table and kill everyone once their loss of power is undeniable and it's apparent restoration to hegemony is impossible. They are quick to violence when things go their way (just look at why the British initiated the Opium Wars). The only problem is this time, the only dependable and irresistable part of their military is the nuclear arsenal, in which case a lot of humanity will die.
Respect Kishore... just use facts, don't need to use rhetoric and terms like "... regime..." and ".. virus made in..." terms that this CIS moderate is trying to paint a negative narrative or it is just a Fruedian slip of the bias in his mind.
Kishore wins hands down.
It's like the man who cheated on his wife is always in fear of being cheated on. lol
Thy name "Projection".
yep. they're projecting cos they've done so much colonising, exploiting, pillaging and dominating in the past 100 years. china on the other hand, has done virtually none of that.
@@coroner2141 A.k.a. Trump
@@lowkeyconvert8971 If we are talking about the last 100 years, China didn't really have the capability to do much of colonising, exploiting, pillaging etc.
@@arunsar7893 you are one of the last people who should be defending the west since the indian subcontinent was one of the worst of the exploited.
Mearsheimer has two weaknesses. He doesn't understand Chinese and he does not know military hardware. That is why he assumes that the US army is so powerful. He obviously cannot explain why the US army lost the Korean war.
Not only he can't understand China, he is arrogant thinking only white can rule the world, not even able to live peacefully with other nation
Why was the PLA driven outside of Seoul South Korea by the US and allied forces? It was china that was defeated in the Korean War.
Yu Kiong Tan China can’t even defend its claimed territory in the South China Sea. China is a rabid dog which must be put down.
@@TheMargaretgallagher the Korean war 1950 was a stalemate you moron. That's why there are still North & South Korea today.
China might have become Mongol ruthless country if US
not signing the Sino treaty after the Vietnam war. Might be China and Soviet Union was ruling the world - Europe and Asia and America fell to them.
Wonderful program! Many thanks to the organizer, and especially to the two guests, who always stick with the truth. Can I add a point here? Lots of Asian countries, including many regions of China, had an experience of falling victim to colonization. Therefore, China understands the painful and humiliating experience of a country being ruled by others. It is actually less likely for China to do the same thing as previous world powers did in the 19th century. As you can see, the Chinese policy of one belt one road also takes a more peaceful approach and try to provide contribution in developing the global economic system rather than becoming a threat to others. Also historically, when China had a chance to colonize many Asian countries in the 14th century (Song Dynasty), China didn't, proving that China has a different view on its power from certain other countries. Would it be possible that these facts are implicitly understood by all asian countries through the "Asian glasses" but not believed by US or non-Asian countries?
The western countries don't understand it because they base their arguments on their own experiences
read my replies above.ha..
Korea, Mongolia and Vietnam have the unpleasant experience of being colonized by China.
china will collapse if something happen to xi, china is not ready for that now and never will be. because xi thinks he is going to stay alive forever lol.
@@JBfan88 exactly. Within "China" this kept happening too. Many times there were mass migrations to get away from invading colonizers. The entire concept of being Chinese is very unclear because there were so many different ethnic groups conquering each other all the time. The "humiliation" suffered at the hands of western countries pale in comparison to the ones from the mongolians, Manchurians, and the Japanese.
To me, Kishore is the idealist and Mearsheimer is the realist, and finding the ground in between is perhaps the only way conflict between the US and China might be avoided. That being said, if history is anything to go by, realism is the more reliable approach to understanding how events might actually unfold compared to idealism's approach to understanding how one would like events to unfold! Peace and harmony is what everyone wants even as world powers increase their military capabilities and presence in the full knowledge of that most frustrating of human paradoxes put a classical Western way: 'Sic vis pacem para bellum' - if you want peace, prepare for war, or put a traditional Asian way: 'Attack is the secret of defense; defense is the planning of an attack' - Sun Tzu.
Well said.