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Testing Every Relevant Ability for Boss DPS in The Final Shape (Star-Eater Nova, Stylish grapples)

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  • Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
  • Under 30 minutes! In this one, we go over supers, grenades, melees, and tick sources and analyze how good they are for boss DPS. Join me as I talk about Star-Eater Nova Bomb vs. Needlestorm, how good Hellion really is, and if any of the Prismatic grenades are any good.
    DPS spreadsheet: docs.google.co...
    Destiny Data Compendium (perk screenshots): docs.google.co...
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    Twitch: / theaegisrelic
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    Timestamps:
    00:00 Intro
    00:23 Star-Eater Scales swapping
    02:51 Well of Radiance + Facet of Courage
    03:56 Sol Invictus super extension
    05:10 Song of Flame analysis
    07:57 Twilight Arsenal analysis
    09:51 Storm's Edge analysis
    10:49 Titan supers - total damage
    11:39 Titan supers - burst damage
    12:12 Titan supers - bad
    12:47 Warlock supers - total damage
    12:59 Warlock supers - burst damage
    14:01 Warlock supers - utility
    14:33 Warlock supers - bad
    14:54 Hunter supers - total damage
    15:28 Hunter supers - burst damage
    15:53 Hunter supers - decent
    16:53 Hunter supers - utility
    17:27 Hunter supers - bad
    17:47 Grenades
    20:20 Melees
    23:58 Tick sources
    25:57 Summary
    27:27 Outro

КОМЕНТАРІ • 470

  • @paul2725
    @paul2725 Місяць тому +387

    star-eater scales storm's edge goes crazy on witness

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Місяць тому +136

      LMAO

    • @Penguinman2.0
      @Penguinman2.0 Місяць тому +3

      Doubt

    • @sunupsmart
      @sunupsmart Місяць тому +37

      @@Penguinman2.0try it bro

    • @lucaricci1987
      @lucaricci1987 Місяць тому +11

      @@sunupsmartout did the celestial still hunt normies with storm+koraxis

    • @Teastott
      @Teastott Місяць тому +20

      It does 1 bazillion damage

  • @standupmoko9618
    @standupmoko9618 Місяць тому +47

    One of the few creators who actually know how the game works and tests things properly

    • @antony1397
      @antony1397 Місяць тому +6

      I think the raid guides this time around really cemented how little most of the popular D2 youtubers actually know about the game. Hard agree it's these smaller creators who truly know the interactions, stats and effects.

  • @beeisme05
    @beeisme05 Місяць тому +96

    "Lava glob contact" is my favorite phrase today 😊

  • @Stainlesssteele4
    @Stainlesssteele4 Місяць тому +37

    Aegis! When Song of Flame is paired with spirit of the claw or claws itself, your melee energy overflows into snap so fast it allows you to spam it pretty heavily. I pulled around 5.6 mil on hefnd using primarily that and microcosm, so it may be worth testing further!

  • @knayvik
    @knayvik Місяць тому +190

    deep dive on zorpalshot and the effects of godslayer on dps next please

    • @Zed-gj8vq
      @Zed-gj8vq Місяць тому +33

      Zorpal Weapon tends to be better for longer phases, since it just has full uptime, even though the buff is smaller. Glad they added Zorpalshot for some of the shorter phases though

    • @knayvik
      @knayvik Місяць тому +44

      @@Zed-gj8vq are we talking about the same perk? i thought zorpalshot reverses all weapon damage buffs, and with the -30% dmg to female enemies from godslayer i thought it would be good for witness dps because the witness is really all genders at once

    • @disbled
      @disbled Місяць тому +3

      cant wait for zorpal edge on swords

    • @Sigmanation2015
      @Sigmanation2015 Місяць тому +15

      I prefer rapidshit on my ballyhoo

    • @austindelacruz5872
      @austindelacruz5872 Місяць тому +6

      ​@knayvik nah zorpal WEAPON is a different perk. It gives +10% dmg for each day you've gone without touching grass, maxing out at 25%. The reason it's better for longer damage phases is because 99% of d2 players go days without touching grass so they will always have it at it's highest buff for free.

  • @twocontollersonebrain9071
    @twocontollersonebrain9071 Місяць тому +96

    Finally a reputable source talks about warlock tick/buddy DPS as it’s close to being “free” with you not having to physically shoot them, I would like to see testing of 6 tick spam warlocks and if the shatter/unravel spam can power through other team mates possibly stealing your own instances of damage or not

    • @jmfe10
      @jmfe10 Місяць тому +4

      Yes! And it was really cool to see it's actually impactful.

    • @RBF__
      @RBF__ Місяць тому +3

      The G man did a vault of glass with no weapons run doing just that, if you want to see how much damage it does

    • @disbled
      @disbled Місяць тому

      @@RBF__ G "Money" Meiners

    • @Enkeh
      @Enkeh Місяць тому +1

      Shatter and unravel both have limits with stacking unfortunately

    • @twocontollersonebrain9071
      @twocontollersonebrain9071 Місяць тому

      @@RBF__ I’m the one that recommended that video idea to him actually, lol you can see my comment in one of his past videos and he said “we are gonna stream it tonight” I just want the excel spreadsheet brains on it as well

  • @sauronswrath4063
    @sauronswrath4063 Місяць тому +59

    Thanks for letting us know Fists of Havoc is still the meta DPS king!

  • @jameskadolph516
    @jameskadolph516 Місяць тому +18

    dang that spectral blades footage is nuts, I think I’m gonna use it now

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Місяць тому +7

      LMAO

    • @bearlybearablebear
      @bearlybearablebear Місяць тому +5

      @@TheAegisRelic I mean, you did one-hit a couple of mobs there on the newest raid, that's busted.
      I think it needs another nerf, doesn't it?

  • @Arindam1262
    @Arindam1262 Місяць тому +38

    A fun (minor) interaction with song of flame is that Claws of Ahamkara let's you spam snaps back to back. Makes it a real pity it's in the same column as stareater on the class items

    • @FreshLavender
      @FreshLavender Місяць тому +1

      It's probably unrealistic, but star eater cast then swap to claws would theoretically work

    • @Aohira6538
      @Aohira6538 Місяць тому +4

      ​@@FreshLavenderAegis already said in this video that exotic class item star-eater doesn't keep its effect if you swap it off so it's impossible

  • @azure98
    @azure98 Місяць тому +45

    I like how Twilight Arsenal is a shift not because of the DPS and debuff it can add but because its universally applicable unlike most of Titan's Supers where they just dont work on like half the relevant bosses in the game.

    • @steveheist6426
      @steveheist6426 23 дні тому +1

      Really and truly, before Twilight Arsenal the "default option" (ie, none of the six melee supers can work and there's a Warlock in the same post code as you rendering Ward of Dawn redundant) was Hammer of Sol. Which wasn't exactly great DPS but it was at least *something*. Twilight Arsenal being able to present competent DPS at more or less the time it takes Slowva to explode and then the babies to find the boss again, while also allowing Titan to apply weaken at range, basically makes it a solid default because... Like, what else are you gonna use?

  • @Exccelon
    @Exccelon Місяць тому +6

    wild seeing how much you've been cooking while still fitting in some salavtion's edge speedrun practice, good shit my man, i envy your dedication

  • @CreepoZ
    @CreepoZ Місяць тому +10

    Out of curiosity, what is your favorite damage strat / rotation? Not what you're best at or what does the most damage, just what damage strategy you find the most fun to pull off

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Місяць тому +17

      The hunter rotations from last season were pretty fun, I also enjoy warlock Thread of Ascent rotations :P

  • @Hauseheaver
    @Hauseheaver Місяць тому +3

    About the buddy warlock dps rotation, not only can you unravel with arcane needle but you can proc facet of dawn and keep radiant up for the extra damage!

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Місяць тому +1

      Yeah it's really versatile, 3 easy to use Dawn procs is really nice

  • @Lyynx92
    @Lyynx92 Місяць тому +2

    Something worth noting about Song of Flame, the fire bird grenade counts for the demolitionist perk reload. As such weaving a demo Apex Predator or Roar of the Bear is a significant boost to the overall damage output without much of an impact on the grenade to melee alternation timing.

  • @tgarcher720
    @tgarcher720 Місяць тому +17

    Man, I love Destiny 2. The video game

  • @--Mars
    @--Mars Місяць тому +71

    waow [based based based based based based based]

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Місяць тому +21

      Hello best friend and spirit animal Meowrs

    • @Joshua-qv1ho
      @Joshua-qv1ho Місяць тому +4

      Omg guys it's the fellow destiny 2 speedrunner: mars. Friend of destiny 2 speedrunner: aegis.

  • @AdamMichaels666
    @AdamMichaels666 Місяць тому +36

    50 views in two minutes? Bro absolutely killing it

  • @Rios-ov3xi
    @Rios-ov3xi Місяць тому +22

    Edit: I’m kinda stupid and severely misremembered what occurred when I tested this. So, synthocepts do buff the ignition damage of the snap, but only out of the super. I think this makes the melee do more damage out of super than in super.
    I’m kinda surprised you didn’t talk about synthocepts with the song of flame exotics. It increases the the melee by 2.5x, including the ignition. Though, the ignition only is increased if the first scorch is a melee and counts as melee damage, like with sunbracers. It’s pretty good with acrius if you can be surrounded, like in ir yut.
    It can also be used with apotheosis, which is kinda nice for an acrius rotation to continue spamming 2.5x ignition melees after song ends or just with a nova (though, in nova without star eaters feels counterproductive). I love the video and the amount of effort you go through to get good numbers

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Місяць тому +9

      I'll try it out!

    • @cmdrmeldoc59
      @cmdrmeldoc59 Місяць тому +6

      Another one is spirit of the claw with Star-Eaters, since you can actually spam that melee at max speed without any consequences. Used it in the Glassway GM and it was very effective.

    • @jmfe10
      @jmfe10 Місяць тому +1

      Oh wow I didn't know that worked. Cool.

    • @TheTural
      @TheTural Місяць тому +2

      @@cmdrmeldoc59 Spirit of the Claw and Star Eater are in the same column. Since SES swapping on the class item does not work, as indicated in the video, that is not possible in any fashion.

    • @ryzardthewyzard6338
      @ryzardthewyzard6338 Місяць тому +2

      I'm confused. I've tried Synthoceps with Song of Flame when it first came out and it did not work at all. I just tried it again now, and it still does not work. Are you sure this is a thing?

  • @hitrapperandartistdababy605
    @hitrapperandartistdababy605 Місяць тому +5

    Twilight arsenal being that much lower than nova and celestial is brutal, I really hope they cook with the buffs.

  • @GrandmaDestiny
    @GrandmaDestiny Місяць тому +3

    Well, Granny is unretired!
    Cholesterol meds caused the joint pain and brain fog.
    So back to watching @AegisRelic
    Great job abd clearly points out options though still sad to see Titan's downfall. Saint is upset!

  • @diegocj02
    @diegocj02 Місяць тому +3

    Whishful ignorance also works with the flechette storm. You should look into that. Not saying it will destroy synthos, but it is highlighted in the exotic description, so i think it deserves a chance

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Місяць тому +2

      I did, it's not great

    • @byrmaxson
      @byrmaxson Місяць тому

      I don't think it's any good for boss DPS, but it gives Berserker a ranged damage ability, which is not bad, you can more easily proc Propagation from afar for example. If you tunnel the slashes on one guy it does respectable damage, roughly enough in my experience to remove a GM champ w/o running out of slashes. Because of the Banner recharge component, it has high uptime, so it's kinda useful. Not the strongest thing, but fun IMHO.

  • @whenthecoldbrewhits5912
    @whenthecoldbrewhits5912 Місяць тому +9

    19:10 iirc with solar grenades, only one solar nade ticks, but the globs from all of them do damage
    i believe(?) it's the same with most other things, only one instance of that respective DoT will tick across all players

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Місяць тому +4

      Yeah I know the globs can independently do damage but I was just surprised that it's still nearly 200K a nade just from them

    • @dvdossbsvskfbdvav
      @dvdossbsvskfbdvav Місяць тому

      From my testing in year 1, solar and vortex nades don't stack and can only have 1 instance damaging a given target at a time. I believe voidwall, thermite and I know pulse grenades do stack, but it has been 6 and a half years since I tested this so it could've changed

    • @marceletta
      @marceletta Місяць тому +1

      ​@@dvdossbsvskfbdvavvoidwall does not stack, thermite and pulses do though.

  • @jmfe10
    @jmfe10 Місяць тому +10

    Very nice. I'm really liking Prism Warlock, it has damage, utility, ad-clear. Here's to hoping Bungie fixes Star-eaters with Needlestorm (and cracks down on Liars grapple melee cause I hate hunters).

    • @gavo7911
      @gavo7911 Місяць тому

      Is Star-Eater’s bugged with Needlestorm?

    • @PREGAMEDISCHARGEENJOYER
      @PREGAMEDISCHARGEENJOYER Місяць тому +1

      @@gavo7911iirc it’s an issue with its detonation and threadlings that don’t have the extra damage

    • @JUIIICED.
      @JUIIICED. Місяць тому

      @@gavo7911no, the super gets a lot of dmg from the threadlings (no thread of evolution)

    • @jmfe10
      @jmfe10 Місяць тому +1

      ​@@JUIIICED. Still, those threadlings are super damage (if they kill a guardian in pvp it counts as a needlestorm kill and generates orbs) so it should benefit from Star Eaters.

  • @CarlosSanchez-gj6ux
    @CarlosSanchez-gj6ux Місяць тому +2

    with Song of Flame & the Exotic class item The claw, it gives you 2 snaps at the start. I can do a 2 snap 1 grenade cycle pretty easily with its uptime
    though i doubt it would come close to Star Eaters of course

  • @dvdossbsvskfbdvav
    @dvdossbsvskfbdvav Місяць тому +2

    There's one weird team damage comp I'd love to see tested, and it's using caster frames with attrition orbs and wolfpacks and spamming supers. With a whole team doing it I imagine you'll get supers incredibly quickly, so with cuirass thundercrash you could put out some ridiculously high total damage, although I don't know how good the DPS would be.
    With recuperation you'd have insanely high health regen too, so survivability against non burst damage wouldn't be an issue either. Probably wouldn't be too tier, but would be very funny

  • @fryinpanda9161
    @fryinpanda9161 Місяць тому +1

    i’d be interested to see your thoughts on the best ways to apply buffs/debuffs in lower man content while still keeping good dps and roaming gameplay. other than that great vid and can’t wait for more content!

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Місяць тому +1

      Probably using Prismatic nade debuff (either Snare Bomb or Freezing Singularity)

  • @alabamaman1372
    @alabamaman1372 Місяць тому +3

    Thanks for the numbers.
    Titan prismatic is great in lost sectors.

  • @evilpac2327
    @evilpac2327 Місяць тому

    Thank you for informing us so well, that's a lot of time and effort, greatly appreciated. Looking forward to see Warlock's rotation, particularly with Song of Flame.

  • @flyingwhale7176
    @flyingwhale7176 Місяць тому

    I am so glad you put some numbers up for Sol Invictus + Other supers! We were testing it pre-tfs and it was just too niche to test any further but I was always curious.

  • @Weebfox
    @Weebfox Місяць тому +1

    Thank you for what you do to the community, your work is highly appreciated! 🙏

  • @richardcarson3596
    @richardcarson3596 Місяць тому +4

    reading the in-game dms while watching the video is pretty funny

  • @NemSumeragi
    @NemSumeragi Місяць тому +3

    I've been running A2TC's AFK farm recently. I haven't turned my PC off in 2 days.
    I still don't have an Osmiomancy Verity roll

  • @Meowow55iscat
    @Meowow55iscat Місяць тому +4

    I can’t believe this doesn’t have more views or likes for how high quality this is. Keep up the good work!!!!

  • @imcclell1
    @imcclell1 Місяць тому +3

    Thanks for the video. Very informative.
    It’s sad to see how much the Titans have fallen off this DLC. Yes we got Hazardous Propulsion, which may be our best positive right now. I’m curious the impact it has on the dps meta.

    • @life-destiny1196
      @life-destiny1196 Місяць тому +2

      Eh, Titan DPS has been lagging a bit for years. It's not really news. On a more general level, Arc and Stasis need some love across all three classes, and Sentinel is also kinda lagging, but Solar, Strand, and Prismatic Titans keep up in most respects. Really they could use a Rain of Fire equivalent (imagine if Hazardous reloaded all the guns it worked with /drool)

    • @thomash8513
      @thomash8513 Місяць тому +1

      It’s the same buff as lumina u might as well just use that tbh

  • @davuvuvbro649
    @davuvuvbro649 Місяць тому

    ok so like i have recently finally decided to work on my warlock and titan and make builds, so this video was a blessing for that. so much testing and failed dps check have been saved. thank the lord you are the goat

  • @KoHaku1229
    @KoHaku1229 Місяць тому +1

    My GOAT once again providing quality content for the community

  • @duchoang5410
    @duchoang5410 Місяць тому +1

    Regarding winter’s wrath, you can cancel the second projectile to save on super energy and extend the super. It literally doesn’t matter but I think it needs to be said for posterity.

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Місяць тому

      It decreases overall damage, another commenter already pointed it out

    • @duchoang5410
      @duchoang5410 Місяць тому

      @@TheAegisRelicgood to know

  • @SivaExperiment
    @SivaExperiment Місяць тому +1

    Always love when these videos come out I’m not great at math and tend to dislike it quite a bit however the math in these videos I love

  • @JackieBoy777
    @JackieBoy777 Місяць тому +3

    keep up the good work my goat

  • @pixelpro3473
    @pixelpro3473 Місяць тому +1

    Theoretically, you can pre-pop Nova Bomb and Needlestorm if you time it really well, Nova Bomb Cataclysm will be more forgiving since it takes longer to reach the target.

  • @fleefie
    @fleefie Місяць тому +1

    Something I'd LOVE to see if whether running star-eater needlestorm or star-eater nova alongside Euphony. I wonder if the sheer burst of Nova outscales stacking spindle with a needlestorm

  • @willphelps40
    @willphelps40 Місяць тому +3

    Thanks for the information. Even if you don’t test it, will you please share your thoughts on Song of Flame - Apotheosis - Demolitionist Apex Predator combo?

  • @gavo7911
    @gavo7911 Місяць тому +1

    I cannot stress enough how good Song of Flame is when you’re the one in charge of using Tractor Cannon on a boss. Not only are you outputting damage that can keep up with everyone else, but you’re freeing up your Hunters’ super slot to go wild with Blade Barrage/Golden Gun/Gathering Storm. Now if I can just get the Star-Eater Apotheosis roll to drop.

    • @TargetSniper365
      @TargetSniper365 Місяць тому

      Star eater nova is cracked and more than golden gun. Don’t need hunters. Stop being a moron

  • @KingFuriousFire
    @KingFuriousFire Місяць тому +1

    apparently double exotic class item is still a thing, it just requires you to do some real funny stuff where you beat the mission, make it so your spawn isn't kept and it puts you at the beginning the area just after doing the symbols, there then is enough time on the clock to get back to the final area and claim the second exotic

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Місяць тому

      Yeah it's way more annoying now though haha

    • @KingFuriousFire
      @KingFuriousFire Місяць тому

      @@TheAegisRelic yeah haha, still thought I would say something as it's still faster than doing chest route, until patched of course

  • @imjlu
    @imjlu Місяць тому +1

    Gotta say, really surprising that the 10% from courage bumps hellion to the level of ashes, which makes it ignite in one less shot. Ashes still feels far better for roam content but it's interesting that they match up so closely for passive DPS.

  • @boxcar9407
    @boxcar9407 Місяць тому

    Just wanted to say you've really hoaned your craft. Excellent videos lately. 🤙

  • @dreadnaught5370
    @dreadnaught5370 Місяць тому +1

    Super cool video! Will you end up doing notable exotic class combos for each class? Would be a lot of work but also super awesome to see.

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Місяць тому

      Might if I find something unique or interesting

  • @lizard2361
    @lizard2361 Місяць тому

    Man you are so dedicated love your content and really everything you do for the game lmao keep it up man

  • @noobmastersjugcad9065
    @noobmastersjugcad9065 Місяць тому

    Great video! I got lucky on my exotic Titan mark and got the Eternal Warrior + Star-Eater’s combo and it has been cooking!

  • @ThePizzaDevourer
    @ThePizzaDevourer Місяць тому +1

    When you get to solo damage rotations, I would love to know if taking Getaway for the arc soul is worth giving up the SES buff to Slowva bomb. Doubt it, but if they're close maybe some people would prefer it to make their neutral game easier.

  • @MrSnekLuuk
    @MrSnekLuuk Місяць тому

    cool to see arc buddy dps, I always wondered how much adding a rift on arc warlock would help a dps phase, fun fact, I outdamaged every person on our raid team when fighting crota with a dragon's breath shot > geomag chaos reach > dragon's breath shot > scatter signal spam (the rest was doing a variety of swords; guillotine, lament, bequest)

  • @philipt2798
    @philipt2798 Місяць тому +1

    Your guides are kinda perfect. I only regret that I didn't find your channel until recently

  • @Virsuu
    @Virsuu Місяць тому +2

    Ive been using star eater eternal warrior on titan with edge transit since since the class item came out my main issue is not knowing what to pair with it to take advantage of the void 4x surge

  • @HighFiveGhostenjoyer428
    @HighFiveGhostenjoyer428 Місяць тому +11

    ergO soohum

  • @Galaxy40k
    @Galaxy40k Місяць тому +1

    Wish I was on PC so I could use that afk farming tool to finally get Star Eaters for my Warlock, my RNG has been ass with the exotic class items

  • @roguerunner14
    @roguerunner14 Місяць тому

    For the solar nades doing ridiculous dmg, it’s tough of flame. If the lava blobs from touch solar grenades direct hit something they deal their dmg instantly (not sure if it’s actually the total dmg of the burn pool or something else tho). Templar has a good hit box to catch a lot of those before they touch ground so instead of a non stacking burn you get a whole bunch of instant dmg hits

  • @Alckee6904
    @Alckee6904 Місяць тому +2

    It only took 6 years for warlocks to get their first competitive burst damage super in D2 history.

  • @makecodgreatagain6049
    @makecodgreatagain6049 Місяць тому +58

    Wow no stupid “30 seconds no likes you fell off” comments?! I’m shook.

    • @Justin.501
      @Justin.501 Місяць тому +14

      Why do we have to even acknowledge it? Just comment something on topic of video

    • @faridronin
      @faridronin Місяць тому +1

      Plz don't remind them

    • @MrPatpuc
      @MrPatpuc Місяць тому +5

      it's because people that watch this type of content aren't NPCS

    • @makecodgreatagain6049
      @makecodgreatagain6049 Місяць тому

      @@Justin.501well to he fair, i hadn’t watched it yet 😂

    • @makecodgreatagain6049
      @makecodgreatagain6049 Місяць тому +1

      @@MrPatpuci dig it. I never see videos seconds after they drop like this one did so i had to beat em to the punch if i could lmao.

  • @thealldayspecial
    @thealldayspecial 29 днів тому

    Void wall much like thermite has often been one of those historically(talking ages back) “always been solid” effects, I think it’s just realistically the setup and application just doesn’t really pan out often because of how physical time and damage wise it’s not really concentrated the same way as other grenades which can lead to a lot of effect damage off target, 99.9% of the game that you’re going to get with it can be dispatched with other means even if it’s less damage thrown at them, and physically you can’t just plop the grenade on a solid target like a vortex or fusion, there is the canisters angle and bounce that can be goofed. It’s a lot of good on paper stuff the application is where it gets iffy.

  • @dragonwren1893
    @dragonwren1893 Місяць тому

    For a song of flame if you use claws of ahmedkare, you can.
    spam, the super melee .Because your second charge Will always.
    Be fully charged So you spam melee And if you use heavy snap. With the fragment that increases scorch On top of solar Buddy. Almost every hit you do and your solar buddy do will trigger Ignite

  • @AsrielDiurnus
    @AsrielDiurnus Місяць тому

    Always appreciate these videos, keep up the great work!

  • @MrLongshotbob
    @MrLongshotbob Місяць тому

    What about a video talking about the solo witness damage rotation? Could be a short if you're quick, but a larger video could be good too.

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Місяць тому

      Yeah that will be in the rotation ranking for sure :)

  • @SenpapiGlitch
    @SenpapiGlitch Місяць тому

    I just wished they’d also fix thunder crash hit detection. The amount of times I’ve slid around while trying to hit a boss or just phasing through is too damn high. Also love the videos, preciate the amount of work and effort you put into all your videos and information.

  • @Sparr0w6
    @Sparr0w6 Місяць тому +2

    My damage testing goat

  • @AzN_Elevation
    @AzN_Elevation Місяць тому +1

    Have you by any chance looked at song of flame with claws of ahamkara? Due to the additional charge there is no downtime with spamming the melee as once you use the melee the second melee is already back. Also since the grenade wisp has a slightly longer cooldown I believe you are able use two snaps before the wisp grenade is back.

  • @nznaza3118
    @nznaza3118 Місяць тому +1

    I know warlock prismatic nade its not as good as hunters one for raw damage, but I been trying it with incinerator snap, even when theres no minors around, assuming the boss stays in the nade radius for most of the time and you can ignite from the snap (not hard with the bigger hitbox of bosses) I get both abilities back quite fast, I wonder how that stacks overall, besides, its utility is great, it helps weakening targets with void, and applies a darkness debuff for facet of courage

  • @CassberrySauce
    @CassberrySauce Місяць тому

    The biggest issue with twlight arsenal is the tracking just straight up breaks and goes in random directions sometimes... but man, it says a lot that it's titans one and only reliable burst option and it still needs buffs 😢. Still, I've been having fun with it, it's a great addition to titan.

  • @joshuaroman6479
    @joshuaroman6479 Місяць тому

    I’ve been having a fun time using Storm’s Edge for damage to change things up
    When I can, especially in free roam, dungeons, etc. it’s actually not bad damage with Star Eaters. Sometimes I get bored of Golden Gun. Will always love it though!

  • @Googahgee
    @Googahgee Місяць тому +1

    This thumbnail is so pretty

  • @hondo2356
    @hondo2356 Місяць тому

    Song of Flame + Tractor + Trench Agg Shotty is very strong for melee range bosses. Consistently coming close to fully juiced swords during Herald while providing tractor debuff.

  • @canwebemates1091
    @canwebemates1091 Місяць тому

    Claws of ahamkaka work with song of flame btw. You can do 2 melee's before your wisp is recharged. Perhaps very strong if you have a exotic bond with spirit of the claw and spirit of the star-eater

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Місяць тому

      I'll be testing this as well :P

    • @Vintage940
      @Vintage940 Місяць тому

      arent they both in the second column

    • @canwebemates1091
      @canwebemates1091 Місяць тому

      @@Vintage940 Oh yea wait thats true, you're right my bad. Maybe claws can add a bit of extra dps? Because the super wil end quicker with doing 2 melee's

  • @snivyland2878
    @snivyland2878 Місяць тому

    I think one thing that stasis ability’s in general need to be accounted for is that they give a 10% stacking debuff for non primary’s and ability’s which might effect testing like what you did for bleakwatcher. Although the effective debuff is lower due to the naturally limited uptime.

  • @MrTrombonejr
    @MrTrombonejr Місяць тому +2

    Warlocks rise up!

  • @aivie_6
    @aivie_6 Місяць тому

    Great job on all the videos man

  • @tobym8820
    @tobym8820 16 днів тому

    a rotation/damage idea that has been bouncing around in my head since pyrogale came out:
    thermites are one of the better grenades for swap dps, so what if you used roaring flames and pyrogale hoil swap? in dungeon scenarios like avarokk or certain bosses with access to adds during dps like rhulk shadow thrall, it shouldnt be too hard to get roaring flames in a good window before dps, giving 15-20 seconds of a near verity level 73% damage increase to your thermites, alongside a damage super in pyrogale. to capitalize on the short window you have to benefit from roaring flames, the initial cast of pyrogale will generate a sunspot for 12 seconds and you can swap to hoil in menu during the cast animation similar to celestial -> foetracer swap. combining those two scalars and benevolence torches throwing hammer, you can seriously crank your ability uptime. normally the spam of abilities would be dps loss but i am curious if the multiplier from roaring flames and optimized ability timing in something like an izzy/wild/apex rotation could work out. this is probably a huge pain to realistically test, but i would love to hear your thoughts on the premise

  • @actsapologist1991
    @actsapologist1991 Місяць тому +2

    Since the Warlocks on my team have been running Song of Flame (instead of Well), I've been running Banner Shield to grant the 40% damage to weapons. In other words, SoF indirectly made Banner Shield more relevant.

    • @dankplagueis9253
      @dankplagueis9253 Місяць тому

      It still gives the teamates around radiant AND more dr than well. Tbh i think well should give more dr to teamates than song of flame (song of flame shouldnt give that imo)

    • @TargetSniper365
      @TargetSniper365 28 днів тому

      @@dankplagueis9253song does NOT give radiant to teammates. Only the casting warlock. That’s the trade off. Ability regen, scorch rounds and high DR with song. Well is resto x2, radiant for all even when leaving the well and some minor DR. They want you to have a reason to use well still

    • @dankplagueis9253
      @dankplagueis9253 28 днів тому

      @@TargetSniper365my apologies i should have specified using ember of torches. Its more restrictive as it takes a fragment and requires solar as the prismatic varient doesn’t share it on hit but on kill instead. The innate lack of sharing radiant is a restriction, but i do believe it is rather easy to overcome

    • @TargetSniper365
      @TargetSniper365 28 днів тому

      @@dankplagueis9253 I suppose but the main selling point my team has on one well always is because having a constant source of healing is a comforting thing knowing you can just focus on dps still. And of course making three orbs instantly for surges is massive in terms of dps. Song doesn’t really make orbs on cast since it requires kills to make its stupid 12-14 ofbs

  • @PhoenixPalmer88
    @PhoenixPalmer88 Місяць тому

    For Twilight: I think that buff is actually coming in August per the TWAB. I do believe they said in the stream it was coming at Act 2 launch but I think that was a miscommunication.

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Місяць тому

      Yeah, I noticed that later on, thanks for pointing it out!

  • @redjedi3099
    @redjedi3099 Місяць тому +1

    How would song of flame go with a necrotic/grasps class item? That gives you 2 melees that afaik deal extra damage from poison

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Місяць тому +1

      That is a combo I can test since SES and Necrotic are available together

  • @praedyth5203
    @praedyth5203 Місяць тому +1

    Finally my opinion came in

  • @DiffusedRiven
    @DiffusedRiven Місяць тому +1

    I don't know if you tested it but chain lightning basically has 0 cooldown whilst transcendent, it probably isn't competitive in the DPS department but I'm curious either way. Also did you test/consider testing song of flame with star eater + claw?

  • @tuna5332
    @tuna5332 Місяць тому

    The primary attack of Winter's Wrath can be canceled with right click halfway through shooting to only release one volley of icicles. Lets you conserve enough super energy to go from 6 shatters to 8 shatters. May not be the greatest for DPS, but with Ballidorse Wrathweavers I think it's decent total damage. Also something nice is that iirc you can swap from whatever exotic youre using to Ballidorse after already casting your super and still get the damage bonus.

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Місяць тому

      I tried doing that and it looked like it reduced overall damage (?) not too sure but you can try testing it to see if you can get some better results

    • @tuna5332
      @tuna5332 Місяць тому

      ​@@TheAegisRelic Huh, you're right. Did some testing against Carl and the damage for each right click shockwave was increased by 140% and the shatter by 20%. Swapping to it mid super or freezing by any means other than the icicles only increased damage by 100% and the shatter 0%. Swapping OFF of the exotic during super still gave everything a 20% bonus. Pretty odd how it works.

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Місяць тому

      I think it's because you end up shockwaving before the icicles actually freeze the boss, which is why I was so close to the boss in my testing footage, pretty weird idk

  • @PrelapseYT
    @PrelapseYT Місяць тому

    Something i wanted to look at was heavy and specials doing extra damage against frozen targets, which i always presumed to be negligible but now that silence and squall is so close to nighthawk now and it freezes way more often now, i’m interested to see how it interacts with your fireteam’s damage, if it can surpass golden gun. Let me know if you’d wanna test that sometime :)

  • @aryanpatel9187
    @aryanpatel9187 Місяць тому +1

    another aegis banger as always

  • @admiraltraunt6150
    @admiraltraunt6150 Місяць тому

    AEGIS LOOKING INTO THE TICK BUDDY ROTATIONS YEAH BABEY

  • @johnlong656
    @johnlong656 Місяць тому

    great info as always bro

  • @muriomoira
    @muriomoira Місяць тому +1

    FINALY SOMEONE ACTUALY CALCULATED HOW MUCH DMG UNRAVEL ADS! Ive Bee looking for this data since LIGHTFALL!

    • @life-destiny1196
      @life-destiny1196 Місяць тому +1

      This is basically how I reacted when that first big rotation video came out in S21 or whatever; it's tough to find reliable information on DPS in this game!

  • @derekborders9647
    @derekborders9647 Місяць тому

    Real interested to see how dragons breath + FTTC/RR Supremacy stacks up vs Still Hunt on Titan/Warlock.

  • @jacksonallen703
    @jacksonallen703 Місяць тому

    If u use the frag that gives jolt and weaken ur warlock prismatic grande can weaken and ur arc can jolt this is kool because in solo content u can use expanding abyss and get a jolt off wonder what a rotation like this with edge transient does

  • @phnixafterhours
    @phnixafterhours Місяць тому

    From the wording used, it sounds as if you're confused on the subject of Solar grenades stacking their d.o.t. and its function pre-Solar 3.0. Sunbracers were initially underpowered due to Solar grenades at base not doing any noticeable improvement to damage when stacked vs just 1. That functionally changed in Season of the Haunted, where they gave boosted solar grenades the globs of lava that shoot out. The touch of Flame enhance to solar grenades is what allows them to stack on top of each other for massive profit.
    I imagine if you tested with a single solar grenade, or if you calculated the damage of 4? grenades with apotheosis veil to see a more even comparison

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Місяць тому

      No I'm aware that solar DoT doesn't stack but globs do, I was just surprised it manages to do 200K a nade even with 4 stacked

  • @biddlez8607
    @biddlez8607 Місяць тому

    song of flame with apex reconstruction thrown in seems to be quite good might be good to test

  • @simondelansalut1661
    @simondelansalut1661 Місяць тому

    Hey Aegis,
    Thank you for all the testing. I found it very interesting.
    For DPS purposes, I used to go with my Warlock in Supremacy, Primary, and Apex. I go with Rewind Rounds and Kinetic Tremors for my Supremacy, and BnS and Demo for my Apex.
    As I wear Starfire Protocol, the goal was to proc BnS with 2 shots of Supremacy (to proc Kinetic Tremors) and then go rocket/grenade/rocket, then reload. I usually shoot my full reserve pretty quickly.
    I know it's not an optimized DPS strat, but it's so easy to go with. Do you think it's still relevant in the new sandbox or not anymore?

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Місяць тому

      It's not bad but there's probably better atm

  • @derekborders9647
    @derekborders9647 Місяць тому

    Background music near the end sounds like a ringtone.

  • @ericpach3809
    @ericpach3809 Місяць тому +1

    How soon do you think your rotation video will be coming out? Thanks for the information you upload!

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Місяць тому +1

      Not for a while, I have 9 centuries of Ergo testing to finish first

    • @life-destiny1196
      @life-destiny1196 Місяць тому

      @@TheAegisRelic you test therefore you are?

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Місяць тому

      Oh yeah

  • @mace8k
    @mace8k Місяць тому

    love the video! ive been curious about a dps rotation on prismatic hunter using a star eater and foetracer cloak on golden gun and caster pf ergo sum. something about popping 6x stareaters with golden gun then having x4 ergo sum with transcendence seems like it can really cook. plus you can use surges of another type on your boots for your heavy if you were to add one in! would love to know your thoughts if you have any

  • @degenerativewalnut9079
    @degenerativewalnut9079 Місяць тому +1

    Man I was hoping that star eaters Thundercrash wwoukd be powerful

  • @oatmilk_flatwhite
    @oatmilk_flatwhite Місяць тому

    I have a sword boss rotation i used to use on Crota that has been buffed with wolfpack Urgo Sum being a thing, and I'd be curious how it stacks up as a rotation if you feel like trying it:
    Arc hunter, Gathering Storm super, Star Eaters x6 then swap to Foetracer on cast
    Full mag of fourth horseman, dodge reload, full mag
    Swap to relentless/whirlwind Goldtusk (pop grenade to reproc Foetracer) light attack spam
    Swap to holster mod reloaded Fourth horseman full mag x2, melee finish to reproc foetracer
    Swap to Goldtusk spam till finish
    Also if this is viable, I'd be curious if a Summum Bonum with relentless/Chaos Reshaped X2 would be better than Goldtusk, as I don't have that roll yet.

  • @tarrenfreeland461
    @tarrenfreeland461 Місяць тому

    Something I don’t see many people talking about is how warlock transcendence grenade is a free weaken effect for dps

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Місяць тому

      Tbf all Prismatic subs have access to weaken void nades

    • @TargetSniper365
      @TargetSniper365 28 днів тому

      @@TheAegisReliche means that during transcendence. Hunter is solar and stasis. Titan is strand and arc. Only warlock has void.

  • @BisexualWrath
    @BisexualWrath Місяць тому

    I'd love to see if star fire protocol is back I'd combined with another warlock on song of flame and also if you run ember of benevolence now that we'll is official resto healing

  • @nathanhyman2889
    @nathanhyman2889 Місяць тому +1

    I'm fiending, like a Crack addict, for the swaps tab.

  • @Lord-ty2kt
    @Lord-ty2kt Місяць тому

    Snaps plus acrius is godly