Damage Deep Dive: Why Ergo Sum is the Highest* DPS Sword
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- *non-Surrounded, at least for now
Definitely the most surprising exotic testing I've done so far.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
03:46 Tested Rolls
04:54 Essential Info
06:22 Blade + Guard
07:45 Frames
12:50 Perks
20:53 General Summary
22:55 Damage Testing
26:13 Outro - Ігри
Corrections:
- Lightweight light attacks do the same damage as adaptive light attacks, my own data shows this but I thought otherwise for some reason
- Apparently some archetypes of Ergo Sum are buffed differently by Transcendence, I will test soon and leave results here
- More options like Telesto aggressive and Polaris vortex will be added soon as well
Thank you for all you do, and so thoroughly.
Someone mentioned some archetypes/frames gain 21%, some 51. Aggressive Vortex and …possibly caster being the higher ones. Maybe not aggressive. Vortex being relatively strong even with ammo consumption considered. Some such.
Hey question! What’s up with the aerial goldtusk combo in the spreadsheet? Is it that its dps is high- yet unreliable(depending on boss)? I remember it being mentioned as no longer good long ago and was just wanting to confirm
Also one other thing- I watched this one sword dps testing video by a content creator named CptZepos and he uses DDT for his testing and comes to conclusion for all legendary swords, the best dps and total dmg involves combos that Involve light and heavy attacks across all frames, but in certain cases and listings it is said “light spam only”, what is best? Light heavy combos (respective to the swords frame) or light only , specifically on legendary swords.
@@north9372 I always thought it was one of those things where when executed could technically produce high results but input and application can be awkward, some bosses don’t cooperate as nice, and the lasagna code can sometimes just not count stuff that should’ve hit even though you did everything right. I’ve often seen it chalked as “complicated” as a choice because chances are you’re better off just going with a “normal sword” attack cadence because there’s just not really a ton of situations physically in the game where you really need to overthink a sword, let alone something that shines from a particular attack input.
I know that this was hell for you to grind, but if there was ANYTHING in TFS that we needed rigorous testing on, it was Ergo Sum. There's just too many combinations to get straight answers on "what is best" for players that only have access to like a handful of rolls each. So your sacrifice is much much appreciated here
I personally like the Colony + Aggressive or Riskrunner + Lightweight combo, but I've been using it in light content like Overthrow, Standard Breach Executable, Advanced Nightfall, Strikes, Gambit, etc rather than actual boss damage.
I don't know what ungodly spaghetti code allows wolfpack rounds to work with relentless strikes but I enjoy that interaction very much
Whirlwind blade as well.
probably the same code that allowed chill clip rockets to instafreeze and shatter bosses. hopefully it stays this time
@@nightismonochromethat also reduced chunk calculation and lowered team dps.
When the programming is object oriented
@@Alckee6904I sure do love unintended damage increases!
Thanks for taking the time to do this. No one would have believed me if I said Ergo Sum caster frame is the highest DPS sword in the game.
It's not, add the 5% dmg boost from trancendance to the others swords and they'll beat Ergo... barely. With really hard to activate perks for dps (surrounded) it's mostly semantics, but Ergo is not the highest dps sword
@@gamingoverlord885423:04? I'm gonna assume he went transcendent on all swords.
@@dratoriasgaming9935 He mentioned in the vid that he isn't adding the transcendent dmg on the non-Ergo Sum swords. His reasoning for using it with Ergo Sum and not other swords was that "You're supposed to use Ergo Sum with transcendent"
@@gamingoverlord8854 I'll point out that surrounded is a super inconsistent damage perk, as you need to be able to keep enemies around you without killing them too quickly. Whirlwind blade is the easiest to keep up
Every Pale Heart weapon is a banger. Even the legendary sword is really good for what it is.
The Riskrunner Ergo Sum makes add clear / breathing room in the Verity encounter absolutely fucking deliciously divine. Even before the catty you never run out of ammo, you get to go comfort picks for smacking the shit outta the unstops, no one else is worrying about being overrun because everything is dead.
there are like 2 enemies that spawn in verity. even on day 1 the combat wasn’t a threat
Idk if its a bug, but the perk won't attack the exploding hive thralls
@@aquativity2907did a normal se run the other day and a chick killed herself if she was teleported inside because she could not stay alive in solo rooms. She was a conq x6.
Perfect, my opinion has revealed itself.
Kept 50 in my vault in preparation for this video
No clue if this is relevant but I'm pretty sure the new arc hunter aspect counts as sword damage. It inherits the perks that you have on your equipped swords while you're holding them. If you have demo on your sword it will give grenade energy back if you kill enemies with the spin. It inherits chain reaction from swords. It grants a stack to whirlwind blade on hit. It inherits Ergo Sum's stormbringer and insectoid robot grenades. If you're holding a sword and spin it will work for bait and switch.
It doesn't spawn wolfpack rounds though.
It can also proc perks like tireless blade and fragments like spark of beacons!
Interesting
Bungie definitely knows this exist and is probably gonna get patched though, this was disabled in the raid race like facet of command was
Tempest strike used to do this
Wait what
You are Invaluable to the destiny community man, I thank you for all the time you spent testing everything and crunching numbers
Something I found during my own testing is that Song of Flame allows a Perfect Fifth ignition on every heavy due to the innate scorch stacks on Solar hits. This lets you effectively have Ember of Ashes while Transcendant. Might be something worth testing in terms of overall DPS with it.
watching this video going through the 10 ergo sums i have. hearing you say the 2 best swords at the end of the video and having those exact same rolls maade me insanely relieved. thank you aegis for another insightful video!
Hey, I was waiting for you to talk about Ergo Sum but I wasn't expecting a full 28min video about it. Can't wait to finish this one.
When I found out Perfect Fifth procs with multihits I was expecting caster or vortex frames to be on top immediately, caster's ammo efficiency and being able to proc it from a significant distance gives it a good bit of flexibility over other frames as well.
They gave us that but not the same thing for Cold Steel smh
@@life-destiny1196 Yeah, was deeply disappointed by the Vex caster with Cold Steel.
@@life-destiny1196 (that being said, wolfpacks do proc it even if the heavy doesn't)
Is vortex perfect 5th still good? I can't really see it on the sheet, was it tested?
@@AARONMACKENZIE it doesn't proc multiple times with cold steel? Thats a shame. How about with whirlwind blade? do you get max stacks after 1 heavy then?
100% convinced bungie gave us the 100 vault slots because of ergo sum and the class items
We need more than 100 extra tbh
thank you for your service and the ludicrous amount of time invested to tell us this. Seriously, this is huge info dump and you have to test it to find it.
That's amazing content, dude! And you have no idea how happy I was when you said Polaris Caster was the best boss dps roll. I just dropped one with jagged and sword master guard. I'm set for this thing.
Oh boy, I just started messing with this sword and this video just popped up. It's a a rabbit hole of its own, thanks for your work.
Arc conductor wave is super fun to use in anything legend or lower. Fast clearing and crazy ability spam through transcendence. But in master or GM you’ll just die.
It's like a Forbearance that is more fun to use and way more uptime, but obviously, you need to be way closer so its ruled out from high-end content.
Your not immortal but you can run the normal hunter prismatic build with dome grenade and slow shade step and you go invisible and just walk around and get free kills even in master Nightfall
I ran it in gm excision and survived fine enough.
@@kyeda ItsTizzy literally did day 1 raid with lightningSurge felwinter combo. You can do high end content with melee builds/close builds just fine > as long as you know what you're doing and build around it lol. I've been using this with WaveConductor sword since tfs dropped practically lol. Got it on day 2
Thanks for the useful video dude! I normally don’t comment on videos, but you put so much effort into this for the community, I wanted to show what appreciation I can through liking and commenting. Your sacrifice is appreciated.
Respect for the amount of effort you put in this video.
Top quality and informative content as usual 🙏
Are we sure that 51% is true for all frames? I've heard that caster/wave frame ergos don't get buffed as much during transcendant
I tested the caster specifically for the overall stacked test and the results checked out but as for specific values without Pack etc. I'm not 100%, I think I tested with a lightweight for the base values
Thanks for all your hard work Aegis!
You da real MVP, appreciate all the effort you put in this and your many other excellent videos.
Appreciate you Aegis, out here doing work. I checked my vault and I have my caster perfect fifth, pretty stoked about it now. Also shoutout to all my fellow sapphic ladies out there :))
Bro your channel is on the come up. Never knew I was such a number nerd for Destiny.
Great breakdown - thanks for the work!
FINALLY!! GOOD DAMAGE TESTING
THIS is why I saved every roll I got. Love your work x
She ergo on my sum till my arc conducts
Much appreciate your efforts Aegis. Thank you.
Thanks for all your hard work.
Great video and really interesting to see how much depth ergo sum has to it and then there is still hunt which is just use nigthwak and get top dps :D
Awesome video again aegis keep it up ❤
I really appreciate your work on this video
I'm subscribing not just because the analysis was good, but also because you used :3 and haiii in the in-game chat. I know a kindred spirit when I see one.
Awesome testing, thanks a ton. I knew my caster polaris felt strong, its great to see the numbers. I will vouch for traveler's chosen though! With volatile rounds on grenade kill & lucent blade stacking, it's super easy to hit 10 stacks, swap to refill your grenade, and repeat. Very powerful ad clear choice that rivals pre-nerf chain reaction forbearance. Obviously, ad clear is a dime a dozen, but if you wanted to use this thing specifically *for* ad clear, its a great choice!
Subbing and liking just because of the dedication to the sword grind! 👍
Your obsession earned my sub, sometimes what if consumes you... And this I have found somebody who's answering the questions I want answered but I don't have the time to pursue myself. Welcome to my feed
Amazing work man!
Always hype when aegis drops a vid
Man i hope u never get any google docs released about you, you are a blessing to this community.
I can promise you I don't have any dirt on me :)
I won't tell them about March 12th of 2011, don't worry your secret is safe. @@TheAegisRelic
What da hell
Why does this sound like a threat…
@@TheAegisReliccap
Nice to see you back
thanks to your video, i actually bothered to do the GM excision and found a wolfpack godroll. ima try get a perfect fifth godroll now. thanks for your time and effort man, its been a huge help.
Kinda crazy to think we’re in a special ammo dps meta. I mean ergo, still hunt, euphony.
not the first time. new light.
@@r3mxd I know it’s not the first time. But I don’t think there’s been an exclusive meta where you are just using special weapons to kill if I remember correctly. Double slug meta was always with anarchy tractor.
There was a very specific use case with Calus and Coldheart in the first Leviathan raid, but that is all I can think of. When Merciless and the Ikelos shotgun were best in slot for damage, they were still heavy weapons.
@@Nautilus_pilot forgot about that ngl
Wow, thank you so much for doing this! Can finally filter down my collection
I LOVE WHEN AEGIS UPLOADS STEAMHAPPY
you sound tired man.. thanks for all the hard work, you’re invaluable to this community
Thank god I decided to watch this video before getting on a clearing my inventory, I totally would've deleted my caster fram perfect fifth, you sir have saved me a lot of heartache
Your sacrifice is greatly appreciated
I was just thinking last night when is aegis gonna upload again. Then when i woke up there was my notification!😂
thank you for your sacrifice Aegis
Return of the speedrunner
The Witness notices your efforts.
I'd been checking in with the spreadsheet every now and then and honestly thought you'd just forgot Ember of Ashes on that Perfect Fifth column LOLOLOL
Ember of ashes is irrelevant for ergo sum as you get significantly more damage while transcendent (which you can only do as prismatic)
@@whosurjustin good point 😅
It's actually crazy how dedicated to this you were, but then it all payed off.
omg :3 another ellie :3 amazing :3
just watched bro rizz up chloe for 28
mins
you know what sapphic means right? i don't think he is barking up the right tree there
bro doesn't know what sapphic means
Aegis I love you for making all this 😂 ty king
Appreciate all the research and time you spent, thanks very much, would be curious to see a new total damage number with the catalyst for caster Polaris if that's possible at all.
Thanks for all the info!!
absolutely brilliant, tyvm
Most underrated creator this game has ever seen, you’ve got people reading an article and getting hella views, this guy puts his sanity on the line to bring us content like this! (Ps where’s a good solo dps test boss? Dungeons are cooking me solo and the lost sector cabal on nesús died in one punch)
Shuro Chi might be the next easiest if you don't want to fight Dungeon Greg
@@zeroshadowzs You can't get to DPS solo on that I'm pretty sure, also she and Kalli take more headshot damage than most combatants. Maybe one of the exotic mission bosses or smth?
Subbed. Great video!
Danke dir für den Grind! Dafür hast du eine neuen sub !
:)
Thank You! Great video.
Finally another aegis video 🙏
We appreciate the work you do. Please pace yourself, and don't forget to rest. 🙏
YAY! HE'S FINALLY BACK!
Thanks for the numbers.
I knew i wasn't crazy! I was telling people after i did personal testing that the caster frame perfect 5th was gonna be a dps king
Thank you for this !
My only hope is the slight rollback of the particular relative damage changes are the last thing they change with these. I don't envy your efforts to re-test everything, with both the activity changes AND the entire sandbox (except rockets) getting combatant modifier changes at the same time.
Good god. Thank you, man. Class is in session
Thank you Aegis
Another thing to note, is that the Caster Frame Polaris sword can be used on solar aswell with ember of ashes each Heavy attack causes an ignition.
It won;t be the best for main dps, but as a swap (Like witherhoard) it does more than most options including withhoard.
Would love to see a video going over all of the new legendary weapon rolls in TFS like how you did in S23 Aegis. That video was very informative and I would love to see another one
Will be coming soonish
You did good with the audio editing dude remember the breathing is fine everyone does it
Thanks!
who would have expected a special ammo caster frame to be topping the dps charts
When it comes to damage and testing there’s no one who does this better and with such depth.
a caster frame having the best dps in the game is the last thing i expected to learn from this video
Thanks for the video aegis, i think it wouldve been a bit better if we got to see the caster frame perfect fifth in action, even if only footage from your testing. But awesome video! I'll farm for that roll now
I just love this weapon, dude
Amazing video, thanks for spending so long farming and testing. I got lucky with the caster polaris on day 2 of TFS, and I thought it was good but didn't realise it was THAT good.
Quick question: as the polaris ergo is so contingent on ignitions, I assume it's best for only 1 person to be running it? Or can you get away with 2?
I will check scaling
Thank you for this fixation I needed this info
I'm proud to say that i was in your fireteam when you pulled the last ergo you needed o7
the GOAT returns!
Really nice video ^^ such a chill vibe which is refreshing compared to other Destiny creators who are loud and flashy haha, also nice title, made me click the vid
The video we didn't deserve but the video we needed.
Great work.
I sure do love my Wave Frame Void Gally Ergo while im running Gyrfalcons. Explosions for weeks!
Amazing video thanks
Thank you! A like & a full watch through. Phenomenally helpful!!!
If could ask one Q. For this season w/artifact ammo back on kill. If were to use one for ad clear , which would be the best?
Thx!!
Probably Riskrunner
My GOAT has returned. Would you do a DPS rotation update specifically on each class? Hunters get nighthawk still hunt but what about other classes?
Yeah
You couldnt make this up! I literally have what your god roll is in the vault. Caster frame, perfect 5th jagged edge, swordmasters guard. ❤
Glad I deleted the godroll Ergo Sum on the assumption that caster-frames were still bad :) back to Overthrow!
Vortex telesto is so satisfying, especiially if you spin right on top of an enemy and every bolt hits em.
Commenting to bump this man's "Prometheus giving fire to humanity" results from Ergo Sum Hell
looking forward to the next video
The soul has been sucked out of this man
love your chat messages
Babe wake up, Aegis posted
Finally my opinion has returned