OLED vs Mini-LED TV: A Clear Winner?
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Finding the right TV to buy can be an overwhelming experience. Do you go OLED? How about micro, mini, or nano LED? Does this TV set actually look better than what I have at home? All questions that probably go through your head. In today's video, I want to help your TV buying experience by comparing OLED to Mini-LED and help you decide which one is better for you.
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From a person which works with tvs every day:
1. You should say WHICH NeoQLED are you testing, QN90A for example is great, QN85A is garbage, 8k models are meh, between LCDs there are huge differences so talking about average isn't that helpful
2. As for LG, C1 isn't even its last years top model, this 2022 models are much better and Sony/Panasonic/Samsung OLEDs are even better
3. Talking about QLED as a different technology is just misleading, it's regular LCD tv with color enhancement film and it doesn't really guarantee best color, as many non QLED Sony, LG or Philips lcd tvs can have better color or even also be miniLED
4. miniLED isn't evolution of QLED, it's evolution of lcd
5. miniLED doesn't guarantee more zones but smaller LEDs, there are normal FALD tvs with more zones than some miniLEDs
6. Miniled isn't generally cheaper, actually you can find many cheaper OLED models as they are cheaper to produce
7. Many MiniLEDs are thinner than OLEDs, yes, minimal OLED thickness is razor thin but they usually have huge bump on the back
8. 2021 Oleds also got brighter, some are brighter than some miniLEDs, that's why we shouldn't generalize
9. Using brand new 2022 tv to show average pricing of oleds is misleading, especially when compared to a miniled which is on sellouts with basically no availability
10. miniled doesn't guarantee better blacks or brightness over regular lcd, it gives you better power efficiency and smaller thickness, other things depend on exact panel and processing
11. miniLEDs aren't best backlit tvs from blacks and contrast standpoint, that goes to dual cell tvs
12. For a 8k tv you showed regular FALD tv from 3 years ago
13. MicroLED isn't coming to mainstream anytime soon or maybe never, aside pricing it has huge problems with power draw and thermals so brightness isn't really that much better than OLEDs can be now, especially with improvements coming and advent of QNED (not the one from lg)
14. You shouldn't get 8k even if you have money for it, every company's 8k flagships have worse picture quality than 4k ones, while being around at least 2 times more expensive, and even if content was available the difference isn't noticeable
15. You missed elephant in the room, QD-OLED, miniled is just evolution of the lcd available for 4 years already meanwhile QD-OLED is the first brand new technology in the market since 10 years ago and it connects biggest advantages of lcd and oled, not even mentioning it is just bad, especially that you showed neo qled but you didn't show the best Samsung tv: s95b OLED
All in all it's like 4th video from your series about tvs where it's clear to see that you don't really know much about tvs and it's nothing wrong really! Please just don't make videos like these because they spread misinformation and don't really help nobody.
So you think QNED (whenever it actually comes out) will be better than MicroLED? Why?
@@spencers834 because of no such temperature problems and use of quantum dots for better color
Love your comment... My wife is forcing me to ditch my favorite TV of ALL time. This TV has been on for hour for the past 13 years. It being a plasma puts off alot of heat, but I think if I get it calibrated the heat emitted from the screen will decrease. What would you do? If you purchased a TV right now, what would it be on a $2500 budget. By thy way my old TV still looks like it dud fresh out of the box..Pioneer Elite Kuro 151fd❤️
@Kenny Brooks if you had plasma, for sure I would go with an OLED because even the best lcd will have worse viewing angles, blacks and motion than every plasma, as for which model exactly, I would go with S95B from Samsung as it's QD-OLED so even better than normal OLED, if you want 65" then wait for some discounts as now it's slightly over your budget, if you want the best but 55 is ok than wait for Sony A95K QD-OLED to go on discount, as it's even better, if you can't wait and you have to have 65" cheaper, then go with LG G1 or Sony A80J, if 77" then LG C1 or Sony A80J
You are telling only the half truth about the QN85A. It is garbage unless you buy the 85“ version. Which is basically the same panel as QN90A while 55“ - 75“ versions have an IPS panel.
I am watching this on a 12 year old, 50 inch, LG Plasma TV, that gets a lot of use and has a fantastic image
Watching on my 13 yr old 62" Samsung plasma. No new technology beats a plasma, but I need a TV so here I am.
Mini LED for me and I'm huge OLED fan. Still as far as tv options for all day usagebits better. You won't have any problems with brightness or burn in . Longevity I think they're way better...
Agreed. Don’t really care about the deeper black colours . Mini led is where it’s at
Yea that burn in is a big concern for me, Mini LED you can’t go wrong!
@@zureai You do realize that those deeper blacks translate to a better contrast ratio with more accurate colors, right? After owning an OLED, I promise you that anytime you see an LED set you’ll immediately notice LEDs shortcomings. My friend also owns an OLED and between us we have hundreds of hours of gaming on them with zero burn-in.
@@H8erade Let us create a fictional scenario. There is a guy who works, who takes his responsibities seriously and he only have an limited amount of time daily to dedicate to gaming, but also have no children at home. let us say he play 1-2 hours a day and 3 hours a day over the weekened, approximately 53 hours a month, which is 636 hours every year and give and take about 1-50 hours, which is a rough estimation of someone who doesn't play a lot but is still involved. That is a good estimation of what falls into what can be considered a minimal amount of hours using that Oled for gaming. it is still 636 hours.
When people make investment, it doesn't matter if they only play games 636 hours a year or 1200 hours, we both can agree that the guarantee of 10.000 hours is far more of an value than 1200 hours, in term of expected quality.
A person who may be handikapped, has no friends might be inclined to dive into the hobby of gaming a lot more, it is an artificial way to be "Social" and to be someone else but themselves, they might easily play 6-7 hours a day, even thought we agree on the fact that is unhealthy, can you really guarantee something which are far beyond the limits of your own experienced knowledge? Of course, these days Corporations do shady stuff to scam people, making decisions that can cause all sort of hardwares to drop in quality or break down after the warranty runs out but if you want to advocate for something, can you really guarantee the safety of 10.000 hours for the Oled, no burn is, no constant baby-sitting? Not criticizing you, just in case it comes off as if I do.
Adquiri mini led tcl c835 , bom nível de pretos , quase zero vazamento de luz , contraste , cores e brilho intenso, sem burn in.
There is nothing confusing about it. Basically you have 2 technologies: LCD and OLED. QLED, QNED, Mini-Led all are high end LCD based tvs. QD-OLED and lg’s Evo Oleds are high end oled tvs. Oled still has better picture quality. QD-OLED tvs are the next big thing.
S95B Clear winner
@@trevormurdok7666 too small
@@kennybrooks8374 bruh moment
yeah true
Back in the good ole days of analog TV, a person knew the difference when an old TV technology was being replaced by new TV technology. Now days, it's a ball-of-confusion. *The way I do it ... start off looking for anything 4K, then worry about being confused later on.*
I just got the QN90B 43 in for use as a monitor. I was going to try OLED but my current plan is to enjoy this until QD-OLED comes out in a smaller form factor closer to 43/42 in. I know the Alienware at 34 is out but there's some short comings there and I want to see how things play out and when that time comes I'll give this to my gf as I just built her a setup in pink that she's loving but the old 1080p monitor she's on will need to be upgraded eventually. Not having to worry about burn in particularly down the road for her (she isn't as careful as I am) is also a big factor for longevity.
OLED Perfect black is amazing but brightness is key essential for the best HDR experience, bright OLED are not only very expensive but you will risk burn in more!! mini and micro LEDs will give you great Blacks not perfect which is more than enough, and you will get perfect brightness which kind make them the best option right now.
Your one of the ones that thinks brightness is better. Come to find out you get blooming and that makes the picture look milky washed out and 1,000 zones over 4k pixels wont cut it im sorry.
Any tv it starts with contrast and the brightness you do get makes OLEDs stand out
I feel like the answer really comes down to 2 things.. Do you use/watch your TV usually during the day and in a bright room? If so, LED. Do you use/watch TV mostly at night or if during the day a not so bright room? Then it's easily OLED.
Also, if you go LED and go Samsung, good to note that DOLBY Vision is NOT supported.
@IAlwayswin It isn’t, but worth having when virtually everyone uses it. Not sure why Samsung wants to make HDR10+ happen.
@IAlwayswin You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. Go buy any new 4K movie and it mostly likely has Dolby Vision.
@IAlwayswin Dolby Vision has nothing to do with screen size...
@IAlwayswin most of the popular streaming services supports DV. Non uses HDR10+. So you will have to compare DV vs normal HDR when using a Samsung tv. The difference in content on netflix, hbo etc is huge
Just so you know John this year Sony is actually getting its highest end OLED panel from Samsung, they have moved over to QD-OLED
We actually just got one in. Excited to test it.
I can’t wait to see that video!
Samsung has still the brightness oled this year compare to Sony
@@wblebon not anymore, recent firmware update tanked it down 500 nits, basically matching the sony in pure brightness
@@Zoranurai13 yep, it sucks but apparently the brightness made the colors look washed out especially in gaming.
I work at Best Buy in the home theater department and I can say for sure that the TVs are not calibrated or altered in anyway. Every TV gets the same feed with the same settings. If you don't believe me you can cask someone that works there to show you the settings on the TVs. Great video though.
Coping schizos will suggest youre lying but its plain as a day which is why the difference between a Bravia 95J absolutely whomping a C1 in brightness because its the reality lol
OLED downfall - Burn-In. I was making the same decision with Plasma vs LED many years ago. Plasma had the very best black levels, but like OLED, was prone to burn-in. I went with Plasma anyway. Huge mistake. Despite being very careful, I had burn-in within a few years which ruined the picture for me. There's no way I'll ever purchase any display tech prone to burn-in again.
@IAlwayswin QD-OLED is not susceptible to burn-in.
@IAlwayswin It's really kinda clear you have no idea what you're talking about. In a QD-OLED panel the pixels dont generate the colors, the quantom dot layer does. The pixels are backlight-only so there is no chance for traditional burn-in.
@IAlwayswin A QD-OLED tv has the same chance to drop pixel brightness as normal LCD based tvs have to drop brightness of dimming zones.
There’s a lot of counter measures to OLED burn in now, logo dimming, abl, pixel shift and pixel refresh are so much counter measures now so it’s rare to get it on the new panels
@@movitz1579 Well if I have no idea what I'm talking about then neither do any of the TV pundits who always mention burn-in as a factor in all OLEDs. I was also assured that my plasma would not burn in, but in a few years, it most certainly did.
What is funny is everyone crying about “burn in” on OLEDS….. the tech is nowhere comparable to old plasmas etc ….. please watch the RTINGS video on “burn in” and you will laugh at what it took to actually get true “burn in”…..
Just a correction, miniled isn’t an evolution of qled it’s just as follows:
Qled is basically a marketing name for a traditional lcd based backlit panel with a quantum dot (made by nanosys) color filter, which is a reactive substance that can efficiently create green and red from blue light.
Lcd used to be lit by fluorescent ray tubes, which then changed into led light sources, changing the name to “led tv” which in essence is still lcd but with a different lighting system.
There is edge lit and direct lit with edge lit being well.. lit from the edge of a panel, and direct lit well.. shining right through.
Then direct lit was enhanced by enabling local dimming, which introduced finer control over direct-led backlit lcd panels, problem was that these leds were still too large to induce fine control. Hence why mini-led was created, which gave even more light control and efficiency, however it is more difficult to process for a display making it expensive to manufacture.
Simultaneously kodak was working on oled tech back in the day (patent was bought up by lg display) which used organic material which would light up when electricity was flowing through it, essentially making it a different technology all together and in no relation to lcd/miniled tv’s.
Now comes qd oled which uses a similar process to qled using a filter, it’s just that the light source is now based on blue oleds instead of blue leds
Spot on!
Finally someone who knows something about tvs and isn't just pretending to do so
@@mateuszptaszynski5377 i’m just done with “reviewers” biting into samsung marketing
Oled already invented since Atlantis. Today are bunch of criminals stealing their invention, then making patents. Nothing, but bunch of cockroaches.
@William LeGod for most, yes, there are some people for which good lcd still will be better, but there's not a lot of them
Got to love LG TV's, love mine!
I think it is clear that miniLED or Q-LED is a good option and OLED will become the base options replacing current LCD displays. They are both great though so win-win as far as I am concerned, but for peak brightness ATM OLED struggles and Samsung's refusal to make dual-pane OLED (for business reasons, they last longer) means that the negatives of OLED are currently not being addressed. Apple's refusal to use OLED due to their relative short shelf-life and lower peak brightness will change as Apple got LG to start developing dual-pane. Of course, once Samsung saw this and new this could be damaging for them, they have come around and will also manufacture these (late 2023/early 2024). When these arrive then OLED may become number one again as they will eliminate the main cons.
QDs are showing a lot of promise in increasing the lifespan of OLED panels! QD-OLED is gonna be a game changer
@IAlwayswin agree. Still the reason I won't buy an oled. People that claim burn in is no longer an issue, should watch some real customer reviews.
@IAlwayswin burn-in hasn't been a problem at least since 2017 and with latest models the panel is babied so much you can't even get it on purpose.
@IAlwayswin I've had OLEDs since 2016, TVs on pretty much 24/7, never seen anything but image retention, show me a single "real customer review" you speak of, please, let's see it.
@IAlwayswin indulge me, please, show me the one that convinced you and made you a believer in the burn in. Surely you understand the burden of proof is on the one making a claim, you claim the burn-in is a problem even with recent models, let's see the evidence.
if your living room is full of windows, lots of lights take Mini LED, its a day and night TV. I bought 77" A80j not knowing that my bright living room will be impossible to watch image of daytime program. Costco told me to return it and replaced it with 85" qn85a. Big difference, now I can appreciate what I am watching during daytime and nightime no lights. I play both of them side by side and Mini LED is the clear winner for being both day/night TV. Oled is slightly better with all light close in picture quality during night time viewing, but horrible image quality during daytime just glare/reflection all you see.
I recently replaced my 8 year old flagship Panasonic 58 inch IPS LED panel tv for a mid-range 65 inch Panasonic OLED tv which was highly recommended by my trusted dealer. The new OLED panel cost less than half of what the IPS panel cost me 8 years ago. My lounge is moderately well lit, with one 19 feet long wall being all window from above 3 feet. Yes, I was concerned that the OLED screen would struggle to provide a sufficiently bright picture. I needn’t have worried. That OLED panel outshines the outgoing IPS panel, in every regard including luminosity. That’s some achievement because, even by todays standards, Thant IPS panel, holds it’s own.
In fact, I’m so impressed with my new 65 inch Panasonic OLED that my only regret is that I’d purchased a larger panel!
I literally am deciding between the two tvs. I have decided on OLED. Thank you
@IAlwayswin Yeah he’s not gonna buy a tv from 2016… Burn in has not been an issue for years.
As if Burn-In is the only Screen Issue out there.
Enjoy your Ghosting, Dirty Screen, Blooming, Backlight Bleeding, bad response time and input lag and many other LED issues, which some of them comes Day One included in the pack and the others comes and get worse over the months/years 🤗.
@@denzelvilliers DSE or any of these issue you can see earlier and return unlike Oled burn
@@denzelvilliers yup 4 years and my sony Bravia with FALD had some zones that were as bright as others so on solid color screens it pretty much looked like burn in.
My Oled tv pixels get burned after 2 years of usage
I get natural light beaming into my apartment, and that has not stopped me from enjoying my oled. If it ever does, I'll invest in better curtains. Oled is superior and I can't go back lol
The top OLED in the market today is the LG G2
C2
There isn't a clear winner. To me, OLED's major weak link is longevity. LCD TVs comfortably last upwards of 5 years regardless of what you watch and how much of it you watch whereas most OLEDs would probably suffer from burn-in or image retention by then and you need to babysit your TV somewhat by ensuring that you watch varied content without static images like logos or HUDs. Not my cup of tea. If you're someone who changes TVs every 2-3 years to get the latest and greatest, OLED probably makes sense but I generally keep my TVs for around 8 years. OLED technology simply isn't made to last that long.
LCD TVs with Mini-LED backlighting can get pretty close to OLED black levels thanks to Local Dimming but they often end up being more expensive than OLED (example: QN95B) presumably because of the complex engineering effort it takes to implement those Local Dimming algorithms. They generally also get brighter than OLED without suffering from the longevity issues of OLED. The downside is that you need to sacrifice at least some of that Local Dimming in Game Mode if you want to have a decent input lag and VRR so you need to choose between picture quality and performance.
For me, high-end LCD TV (Mini-LED) for the living room and OLED for the bedroom. For gaming too I would prefer the LCD most of the time but for darker games like Elden Ring and Resident Evil, I might prefer the OLED. OLED would have the edge for competitive gaming too thanks to its superior pixel response time.
One other pro for Mini-LED displays is that unlike OLED they can't burn-in. That's not a big pro if all do you do is watch entertainment media like Netflix or play console games, but if you use an OLED display as a PC monitor that is a major potential issue.
Actually about to switch to Mini-LED because of massive burn in from watching sports and entertainment. Burn in doesn’t always come in the form of a still image. For me all of the red pixels in the middle are much weaker then they should be, resulting in a really muddy look. It’s only red pixels too on a 4 year old tv that cost thousands. I believed that burn in could be avoided and maybe the new ones are better, but as a casual user, it killed mine.
@@jayhawker03 qd oled
@@jayhawker03 yeah yeah do it. Highsense Mini LED U8H, Samsung QD OLED. So good so so good. I check em out in store. Looked like OLED, but much better for like day time things. If u watch sports all bright scenes, Samsung n Hisense so crisp. The VA panes are amazing. Do NOT get IPS.
Image retention is possible on any tv technology. To prevent image retention on an OLED it is suggested to get your tv professionally calibrated.
@@pedroflores4080 It's true, saying "it can't burn in" is incorrect. But when it comes to Mini LEDs the amount of time the same image needs to be on screen to cause image retention is not a remotely realistic thing to happen. For example if you use an OLED as a desktop monitor then it's not unlikely that the taskbar will burn in, on the other hand a Mini LED won't burn in under realistic use cases where you play games or watch multimedia content in full screen. I'm sure professional calibration could somewhat circumvent burn in on an OLED display, but physics in the way that OLED displays are manufactured means that burn in is several times more likely to have burn in over prolonged use.
I have a laptop with a glossy 4k OLED 99%srgb display and the clarity of the visuals are unmatched. Its really hard for me to accept spending close to 1000$ for a monitor that doesnt have true blacks.
Micro-LED-Quantum Dot OLED-LCD is what I’m waiting for.
mLED and OLED can’t be LCDs, completely different technologies. But quantum dots can be paired to either of those three display types! I’m sure when we first see mLED it’ll have QDs since they’d simplify its tricky production process
@@patrack7 : michael is making a joke
@@JohnMSawyer what do u think? These names are all marketing mumbo jumbo and they all sound and look very similar to OLED. OLED is what film makers have been using for decades. Sony makes these professional OLED monitors that are upwards of $30k. To simplify things its either OLED or LCD (with different backlight, but they are all LCD). LCD is not a bad display and they get incredibly bright, for sports LDC, specifically the MINI-LED (which is still LCD) are my favorite to watch sports on. OLED's can control each pixel, think about for a little bit, 8 million pixels can be individually controlled. Once pixel can be turned on and the other 8 million can be off. OLED is not perfect, but they are damn close. I have 4 OLED's now, my oldest is an LG B8 from 2018 have 5k hours and ZERO burn in. Thats not to say burn in cant happen, and if you have your TV on all the time to CNN, just get an LCD. When I got my new TV this year we needed a larger size and I almost went with a 85" mini led, mainly because of the price as it was half the price of the 83" LG OLED. But was able to find the 83" C2 at $3k which is still more than a Samsung Mini led but pretty close in price. I think a good compromise is a getting one of each one for sports and regular tv and an OLED for MOVIES and all these new shows have black bars now, which an OLED always reproduces perfect. I have to say these MINI-LED LCD TVs have come a long way and have very good black levels. QD-OLED is able to get a higher peak luminance, but its still not much higher for 100% screen brightness at around 210 nits, where a non QD OLED is around 170 nits full screen brightness. A mini LED, specially the Samsung QN90B gets around 700 nits full screen brightness, and the brighter full screen really pops for sports.
To be fair, you're comparing prices of last gen QLEDs to current gen OLEDs. If you grab a C1, they're fairly cheaper than a C2. 55 inch C1 in the US is like $1100.
I just bought a 55" LG A80 QNED last month. I love it. Last week, my wife won a $1k tv of our choice or a grill. No brainer, tv it is. We ended up going with a 55" LG B2 OLED and just had to pay anything over the 1k. $300 out of pocked. Pretty happy with that deal and waiting for BestBuy to notify me for pickup.
I’m looking to buy a OLED b2 Thursday, was it worth it?
I have the C2 in my living room and just purchased an A2 for my bedroom as I will only watch TV at night and do not need it to be super bright or have 120hz refresh rate. The B2 is a good OLED as it has 120hz refresh for next Gen gaming but if you can swing it get the C2 when it goes on sale again as it has the A9 processor and will be more future proof. If the G2 gets low enough maybe get that as it comes with a 5 year warranty and is the brightest OLED LG offers. I snagged my 65” C2 for $1300 when Amazon had a sale in December and just got the 48” A2 for $600. The B2 and C2 should get that low again but won’t last long when it’s under $1400 for the 65”.
@@WStar4Life Hi. How is the LG A2? My use case is exactly the same as yours. I have a LG C1 "77 in the living room but was considering an A2 for the bed room, soley for the odd movies only. Is the picture quality as good as the C2? How responsive is the software? :)
@@hostile_1866 the brightness is a bit lower but it doesn’t matter as much as I’m watching it exclusively at night. You won’t be able to tell a difference unless you are watching them side by side imo
@WStar4Life Brilliant, thanks for the info :D
Mini LED is much cheaper than OLED? Hardly. All the top rated mini LED sets are the same price or more expensive depending on the model.
OLED still superior to Mini LED
I liked the video but it feels weird for you to bring up microLED and not QD-OLED as well for future tech. Especially with Samsung and Sony releasing QD-OLED TVs and the QD-OLED tech being used in gaming monitors as well.
Too bad if you are using a qd-oled as a computer gaming display the pixel structure is in a triangle which makes reading text on these displays very poor.
Something people forget about oled, it has burn issues like old plasma TV'S and it has fade issues over time. Oled still looks better but qled is cheaper and should hold out better over time if you're a person that keeps TVs for a long time.
I've had burn-ins on OLED devices but unless you focus they're not even noticable making the problem completely irrelevant.
@@dunkenrunten4593 Not irrelevant at all whatsoever. Depends on the severity of the burn in but sometimes it's super noticeable and distracting. For non gamers, people who don't use it as a PC monitor and those who don't watch things with tickers on the screen, sure. OLED is worth getting and risk of burn in over time is small to none.
For those who do the things I mentioned, over time the chance of image burn in is much higher and even likely at some point. Mini LED is superior due to that with PQ that's nearly as good.
Waiting on a TCL C935. miniLED, 65', 144Hz, 1000+ Dimming zones, GoogleTV, Dolby, etc... 1650€. Unmatchable.
I just bought c835 for ~830euro and it's really good budget TV. Can't complain at all
Burn in from OLED is a huge concern for me despite improved practices and technology too prevent it. You still get a little bit of everything with Mini-Led and most of all longevity!
I agree. I use my TV as a monitor to work all day, and it would make me too nervous to enjoy the better picture.
Check out the burn-in test RTings did for OLED tv's. It's not an issue. Unless you use it as f.e. a computer monitor.
The Lg oled C3 comes with 5 years of warranty(in my country). Use it for 3 years sell it then buy a new one. That's what I do.
@@Grstrangler like you should do with cars
In my experience you'll get 3 to 5 years with careful usage. That's not enough for many people including myself. The enthusiast types think that's a long time, lol. People saying it's "not a concern" are being a bit reckless with that advice. They said the same thing when I bought mine. It's just the risk you take with OLED, its greatest strength is also its biggest weakness...uneven wear and tear by its very nature.
I just bought a TCL QM8 (Mini Led) to replace my old LG Oled, it lasted a week the motion control was dreadful I tried every permutation of the motion smoothing control I just kept seeing jitter in fast moving scenes. I ended up giving it to my daughter and purchasing a LG C3
How is the SDR content on it? I’m about to pull the trigger on the C3 but I’m a little concerned about the upscaling on it.
I start from CRT to Plasma now Oled c1 to Sony XR X95k I love oled black level but I can’t go back to me oled after see mini led is the bright to good and color more natural 😊
I have a 2023 OLED s90c. A bit unnatural in colors
Sooo, I was trying to look into microLED and I got miniLED. Micro has more LEDs than mini; they are smaller and you get even more local dimming zones and even truer blacks, plus there's the upside of not burning out :|
Something to think about, i just had a tiny fly make its way into the middle of a 2 year old sony LCD screen. After my research almost none of are sealed in any. It seems to happen way more often you think also.
why didnt you pick the QD Oled from Samsung to represent Oled?
Because it’s hot garbage
My assumption is because LG is the market leader of OLED via sales and arguably review scores.
I believe that QD-OLED will be the future and that Samsung will get aggressive become a leader in that space, right now OLED is the defacto.
@@stevenrodriguez9655 literally not true at all lmaooo
@@kamrhd Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I had the chance to mess around with one and it was embarrassing.
@@stevenrodriguez9655 can already tell from your comment you’ve never seen it in person
What a load of biased nonsense. I have both a QN90B and an LG C2. Let me tell you, price wise they are about the same. LG gives deeper blacks, yes. Awesome image quality. BUT - the Samsung gives deep blacks too (a contrast ratio high enough that the eyes can’t see any grey because it is truly black), the peak brightness can exceed 2000 nits, and whilst reaching peak brightness it maintains colour volume - which LG loses colour volume and can only go as bright as 600-700 nits. Which makes the Samsung not only more vibrant in colour, it also lets you see specular HDR highlights better. There can be minor blooming against a completely black background, but otherwise it is superior to OLED - you can also leave an image on for 5 hours straight and not worry about burn in whilst running at a much higher brightness…. QD-OLED is where it’s at, not standard OLED - Samsung miniLED has it beat by far
Wrong. OLED WIN. BWUAHAHAHA
Saw oled and mini led side by side today and the oled looked gorgeous to me. The black blacks really push it over the top as the winner for me!
I have 8 flatscreens in my house including an OLED in the basement and to be honest they are all basically fine. I am still confused by all the different terminology out there. My word of advice though, buy a Sony, they cost more and are worth every penny. I still miss plasmas, a couple of my neighbors had those $10,000 Pioneer plasmas years ago and they were fantastic.
Absolutely based hot take. I just bought a Bravia x95j and it absolutely shits on the C1 in HDR and brightness
@@robertcowan9398 underrated tv Fr
@@falsehope5529 the 65 inch at 1400 its no contest against the C1. There is some massive groupthink going on with OLEDs marketing is a hell of a drug.
I have one of those plasma's in my living room and my wife is making me buy 1 of these new T v's I'm telling her that that old plasma looks better than all this new crap that they're coming out with now.. she's not listening and being unreasonable. Love my Pioneer Kuro Elite 151fd♥️
@@kennybrooks8374 There is only one TV that shows a real step up over wonderful Kuros..
Samsung S95b.. go with the wife and check it out.. the way I see it anything else wouldn't be that much of an improvement.
I keep my TV until it dies. Then I buy the biggest and most expensive, most feature-rich TV I can budget for. I'm still watching my 43" LED from 2015
OLED is still the best overall. However QLED is an interesting take on the tech. Both are great tho.
@IAlwayswin I haven't known anyone in my personal circle so far that owns modern OLEDs nor any long-term use reviewers on this platform that has experienced burn-in. It's so rare nowadays due to the mitigation technologies to the point that it's practically non-existent, otherwise it's most likely manufacturer defect. The real concern in my opinion is the brightness capabilities, which QD-OLED is looking to alleviate.
@IAlwayswin I've had mine for an entire year. Screen on time is 6 - 12 hours a day. 0 problems so far.
Samsung has combined the two, and made a TV that’s pretty hard to beat
I have a TCL with Mini QLED and looks great
Your price comparisons are off considering you compared a 2021 qled vs a 2022 oled to make a point when in reality they're around the same price. In fact the LG c2 65" retails for $100 less than a qn90b. So you should probably check your facts.
I love my LG OLED, but hate it at the same time...my E7 has a stunning picture, but also has BURN IN, caused by the previous owner...at first I used to ignore it, but it's becoming more annoying as time goes on. I'm very shy about going for another one...
Just put the blind curtain for the OLED
You definitely won't need 2000nits brightness for sure
Still love my Pioneer Elite Kuro 151fd. Nothing on the market beats it IMHO.
Love the zen like feel of your videos… Keep it up !!
The problem is miniled are only better then oled in higher sizes. Even 65s have blooming issues..the new x95k is blooming like crazy and they're asking horrendous amounts of money for it
But that's because Sony's miniled have very few dimming zones. Samsung's high end sets have blooming, but not nearly as much as a Sony
The LG being thin is only a plus if it was equally as thin everywhere, that hump at the low back just looks really awkward with the thin panel... 😆
Why compare pricing for qn90a to c2 when qn90a is 2021 model and c2 is 2022, especially when c1 is still available at the same price as the qn90a and the qn90b which is the 2022 model is actually more then the c2?
So now we are in 23 with qd oled and mla do you still believe mini led is better?
You really repeat the same information over and over again to make the video longer
until OLED or a new Panel like say a futuristic Nano LED could handle BURN-INs, OLED would only be suitable for a cinematic display or media benchmark testing. Definitely not advisable for long hour works or gaming. If price becomes favorable, definitely will get one. But Mini-Leds looks like my next best try both for gaming and working, definitely won me over monitors such as the EVE Spectrum.
So I just bought the tcl r646 120hz mini led from Best Buy for $599.
Now I see they have a LG a2 OLED 60hz on sale for $569. I don’t know if I should return the tcl for the lg or not.
@@grogu411 A2s usually have a stutter issue and the HDR Peak Brightness are still dim, in comparison with the C1 and C2 models. plus you gotta consider the display outputs it supports which is probably limited for today's gaming. Not to mention how much life is still left with its OLED. I honestly think the TCL is still a winner. But that's just me, if it's being brand specific, go for it.
QD-oleds can handle burnins
@@milkyy4168 it may delay for sometime, but still organic. It will eventually degrade.
@@RockaByeYT the way qd oled works, no static image will be burned on. the individual pixels that light up the screen are white, it’s the quantum dot layer that gives the color. so, when the pixels do burn in, it’s not going to be like an oled.
All I can say is that my QN has the best picture that I personally have ever seen.
Burn in is still a thing. Mini led super bright
burn in is most definitely still a concern. keep lying to yourself tho@KangderEroberer_
ok. you can't compare prices of a 2022 G2 to a 2021 Samsung model that has been replaced by to QN90B, which is new, and has a way higher price than the clearance pricing of the Qn90A
OLED will never have the max brightness of miniLED so for HDR content miniLED rules! Also OLED will lose brightness over time.
I feel like stating that you need to be in a dimly lit room to watch OLED properly may be an exaggeration, just don't have a window right behind you, otherwise, you can be in a well-lit room with no problem, even if lights are behind you the problem I believe is hard lights, soft lights are usually better for the eyes.
One exception is with OLED displays smaller than 55 inches, since their LEDs are smaller and so they don't emit as much light as the LEDs in larger OLED displays. Sony's 42 inch and 48 inch A90K OLED TVs are considerably dimmer than the 42 inch and 48 inch LG C1 and C2, and so you get the best picture from these smaller Sony OLEDs when viewed in a dim room, or with lights out altogether. I bought both the Sony XR-42A90K 42 inch OLED and the LG C2 42 inch OLED and put them side by side, and the higher brightness of the LG C2 is remarkable. But the LG C2 resolution and color accuracy isn't as good as the Sony, which you'll notice if you sit somewhere between about three and five feet from these TVs--if you sit further away from the LG C2, then you might not notice its lesser detail.
@@JohnMSawyer Makes sense to me.
My 2020 55 inch TCL R635 is still the best TV I've EVER owned. I won't be upgrading this set for at least another five years. Black levels are the best I've seen besides OLED. Brightness is over 1000 nits. It's 120 hz as well so motion is chefs kiss.
I need to run the TV outdoors on a bright Tatooine noon, and OLED just isn't bright enough to compete against the two suns.
I want to see a video soon about QDOLED, vs Mini-LED. monitors and tv's
Its all about QD-OLED
Nothings better than a OLED I find myself watching videos to decide I’ve bought from mini led to qned and let me tell you if you want the best of the best just save up and get the OLED or else your just gonna keep swapping out tvs don’t be mistaken QNED MINI LED tvs are good but if your after that rich black and great contrast OLED WINS every time they are expensive af tho but once you get one your search ends
Talk a lot about contrast and colours but you didnt talk about motion. Stutter is a big problem on OLED's that I wasnt aware of until I bought one. Any frame rate under 60 fps has severe stutter which LCD displays just don't have. But it you don't see the stutter then OLED all the way. If you do then I doubt you'd want OLED.
I agree with most of this but when it comes to price oled is not significantly more expensive it’s actually very comparable to the price of mini led and sometimes cheaper take a 65in qn90b from Samsung it’s going for 2399 while a c2 from lg is is actually cheaper at 2099 unless you have a extremely bright room or mostly watch during the day oled is still the best I switched from a qn85a to a lg g2 recently and I’m so glad I did
Why are you glad you switched?
@@cooldaddyslick6869 why not
If you want to be a slave of your TV, to avoid burn in, buy OLED. If you want to enjoy FREELY your TV doing what ever you want take all the other technologies. Mini/micro LED is the best choice, people focus on this Stupid BLACK LEVEL, remember, your brain will always focus on WHAT YOU SEE. Black level is the last thing, first for me is pixel response, No blur, that is the best thing to have on a panel.
With mini led no burn in, I already wanna change my oled. The burn In looks annoying
I'll stick with my Sony 77" A80J set for a very long time or until it dies. I just can't imagine anything better than that picture today. As a former owner of 2 last 9th gen 60" Pioneer Elite Kuro Plasma line and still have 1 in my bedroom (1080p Bliss) along with a recent 55" LG CX which I sold to upgrade to the current 77" Sony OLED panel. I must say Sony OLED hands down has best picture quality of any OLED I've seen in the US anyway including LG. Their upscaling, overall color accuracy, motion and smoothness and lightning fast processing is so good. I loved that CX panel but something about how Sony processes colors and image that LG can't touch today. That XR processor they use is so much better than LG despite been the same LG EVO panel. I'll stick to OLED for the foreseeable future and just hope those prices drop to pick up another.
It’s a good tv🙌🏽
I have the Pioneer Elite Kuro(151fd) as well..my wife e is forcing me to.get a new TV. Well..it's ironic that not only do you have my old TV, but I'm about to pull the trigger on an a80j next. Its funny how we chose the same TV back then , and the same one now.
The 77” A80J is arguably the most underrated OLED 4K TV after 2021
@@kennybrooks8374 You keep regurgitating the same comment everywhere dude. We get it, sheesh. Maybe you should marry your Pioneer tv
@@TheEchelon what?? I own an 83in Sony a90j
I look forward to 8k 3D miniOLED TV in 2026. Btw is 3D not available anymore?
Portland, JAMAICA in the Building !!!!!
Unless you have a very bright room get OLED and you can get it a bit cheaper by buying last year's model, not the newest one - there will be a minimal difference in things like the response time of the menus but the picture quality will be almost just as awesome as the latest model and better still than any backlit Mini LED or QLED
Burn in
In general we can say that mini led has actually more resolution and less dpi and high ppi
I don't get why reviewers are so obsessed with black levels. The black things you see in real life are not even that black.
Also you are comparing the price to a brand new c2 at launch to a year old qn90A. Today the price difference from the new qn90b and the c2 are essentially the same price.
QD OLED>MiniLED>WOLED
I love my 55 C9,. which I use as gaming monitor, and my 77 C1.
Best Buy, at least the few near me in SoCal, do not calibrate their displays. They run them using out of the box defaults. Some displays have motion smoothing on by default, some don't, some have dynamic contrast enabled, some don't, etc. Comparing TVs visually in store is just a terrible customer experience, I heard a salesman outright lie about the display features to push a sale on the more expensive TV.
What about burn-in issues with Oled? Is it still a problem?
Mine lasted 4 years with careful usage... That's not long enough IMO. If you're okay with getting a new TV that often then definitely go OLED, can't beat that picture quality. But mini led mimics it enough for me to be satisfied. I like to use my stuff a long time, especially when it's expensive. But many of the enthusiast types upgrade often so it's not a concern for them.
I still use a plasma 😅
😂
Me too.
I mentioned that in a comment on here that I loved plasmas. A couple of my neighbors years ago had the $10,000 Pioneer Elite plasmas and they were amazing.
Everyone I know that has purchased an OLED has regretted that purchase due to burnin. Not an issue with Mini-LED
Everyone….? I find that strange. Guessing you don’t have Oled. I don’t know anybody that has suffered with burn in as of yet but this was mostly a problem with older sets. Also NOBODY can argue that Oled doesn’t have the best quality picture which is what it all comes down to right.?
@@D3ZG1978 yep everyone :/
I wanted an OLED but decided against it because of the shared experience of my friends. I agree it’s superior picture quality, I disagree that is the only thing that matters.
I’d rather have 97% of the picture quality without the reliability issues
I still have an cheapo Samsung TV from (I think) 8 years ago. Planning to upgrade end of this year (Or early next year), that'll get interesting
Now that the LG C2 dropped to only 1100 euros, would that be a good oled pick? I dont see why it dropped in price so fast, was there something wrong with this years LG tvs?
there's a lot of news article mentioning shipment of oled TV declining by 5% ish worldwide, next year LG is focused on making 27 and 32 inch oled monitor because of that. you can look it up. and another separate article about how mini led will overtake oled by 2024. my theory is that people staying away from oled after their old oled tv burned in.
@@zicodennisvalentino748 micro led is where it’s at…
@@zureai you must have $80k burning a hole in your pocket.
“Half a decade”
Tell that to my mom who refuses to change from her 25 year old stuff
Same with my folks,they just can't let go of old tech😂😂
black levels will always keep me an oled guy from laptops to tablets to tv and phones all oled
Could you please make the intro music a bit louder? My speakers are still not damaged.
Is it only me or anyone else noticed Jon got the conclusion backwards?
Guys, lg c2 is 32% more expensive than tcl c835 mini led right now.😮
Which one should I buy for a moderate lighted room?
TLC , you have 144hz .
There is only one king now - QD-OLED
_MicroLED in the corner laughing_
I’m so excited for mLED
If I spend that money I will go for QLED. brightness, vibrant colors.
no burn in on MiniLed
QLED 65C735 vs QLED 65C745 vs 65C835 this is the test we want to see.
The thing is, Mini LED especially NEO QLEDs from 2021 have become so close to black levels of OLED that the line is been blurred between the two, the QN90A series is amazing in black levels, only set back now is blooming which is still noticiable even with the improved algorithm but it’s still being worked on and improved, although with the reveal of QD-OLED now this is gonna kill everything out there in a couple years that there won’t be a reason not to chose QD-OLED.
Here one reason.
Burn-in
N85a looks decent
@@R3nchi TCL C825(TCL R646 if you're in US) is kinda better in terms of black level even though it has 124 local dimming zone Its VA and has Ultra Wide Coating for only half the price of QN85A.
The next get TCL C835 has double the local dimming zone compare last year C825. But C835 hasn't released yet this year probably in a few months from now
@@ForceInEvHorizon i'm on god damn Balkan.. Europe get shitty TcL tvs. i was thinking about samsung q70 maybe?
@@R3nchi the C series is for Europe and Asian although there is only 1 C series in That is actually good and that is TCL C825 or If you wait a few months the TCL C835 will be released.
Dont get the Samsung Q70 its overpriced and doesn't have Local Dimming zone and Dont get Q80A/B its also overpriced. Here a good TV for your price range.
Budget
TCL C825
Hisense U6G(VA Panel)
Sony X90J
I recommend TCL C825 since its miniLED and have deeper black compare to X90j
High-End
Samsung QN85B
Samsung QN90A/B
LG C2
LG G2
Sony X95k or X95J
Hisense U8G
Bonus Budget if you find this on Sale: LG C1.
LG C1 is an OLED but the brightness is low so if you're planning to watch it on DayTime it might look Dim but the DarkTime look phenomenal. TCL C825 is best for Day And Night
How in this entire video, you didn't talk about the burn in effect of oled?!?! Or you are the one that don't belive in those, because you change tv every year....
It doesn’t happen to the newer models that often sure it’s a risk but very unlikely compared to before
No one ever mentions all theses TV's have colour banding issues.
OLED is just too dim to display HDR properly.
Not true.
OLED has contrast and enough brightness to show HDR nicely, While mini led has brightness and weak contrast = less dimming zones giving you a washed out sorta milky image. All the blooming on the screen ties into the image and it actually messes with the colors and so on.
after I sold my Sony A8G I wanted something different and went for a Samsung QN700B that was on a sale price which is half of its launch price. now I'm half pressed to go back to OLED because these two are just different beasts with its own pros and cons
Not only that but Sony’s behind the scenes chips and tech and upscaling and processing kicks Samsung out of the water. I watched tv on 4K samsung tvs for a few years and I liked them. But then I bought myself a Sony 4K tv and was absolutely blown away by its performance. So much so that I won’t buy any other tv. LG and Samsung look good, but nothing comes close to what Sony can do. That is why they are the kings of Tv and Cinema.
This is why research helps. For most people they say "Once you go oled you dont go back" And when people try to go from a OLED to something else usually they dont like the picture. The contrast your lacking it shows its self when looking at a non oled set
My samsung 55” full hd lcd from 2008 just gave up. I’ll miss it. No bloatware. Think i will go with minileds. I’ve seen 4year old oleds with some serious degradation in light output.
Go with QDOLED 😏😏