Trial Story - The Murder Conspiracy Trial of Pamela Smart (1993)
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- In this episode, Pamela Smart is on trial in New Hampshire. She is charged with conspiracy to commit murder, accomplice to murder and tampering with a witness.
Fred Graham guides viewers through the trial.
The judge is Douglas R. Gray.
Prosecuting attorneys are Diane Nicolosi and Paul Maggiotto.
Pamela's defense lawyer is Mark Sisti.
Witnesses testifying are Peter Randall, Vance "JR" Lattime, Bill Flynn, Cecilia Pierce and, finally, the accused.
For the handful of people who might not be familiar with the case, Pamela Smart was accused of conspiring with her teenage lover and two of his friends to murder her husband Greg.
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She only was renting All she had to do was get a divorce move back home for a while and find her own place and start over like millions of people do every day but she chose Murder!
I never knew she moved after Greg was killed and rented a place near Billy.
Because she didn't want to share the dog nor lose her white lounge suite...it's true
Aq
I still find it strange all of the people saying, all she had to do was get a divorce. She's a psychopath and clearly a sociopath, she dealt with her venom true to type, I believe "a divorce" wasn't an option for this disgusting woman. I Actually think that her hatred for Greg (Rest In Peace) stemmed from him cutting his long hair and changing his appearance. That petty!
She had him " murdered" to get the "Life Insurance Policy"..
150,000 dollars
Listen to what they're saying
Imagine being Gregg’s parents hearing the final moments of your son’s life. From his killers. Sad. RIP Gregg Smart.
Imagine the whole thing being acted out, how they pushed Greg on his knees while they decided his fate, then finally just shot him. All those people knowing this plot but NO one stuck up for Greg to warn him...SERIOUSLY sad.
Then hearing how ur daughter in law planned it all out.....
@@jeankeats3200agree! & they're still not mentioning him!. There's been no real improvement in the way she perceives her case, some new words, but still the same narrative..
His parents and family are such lovely and gracious people, too. Their speech/comments when Bill was given parole are just...amazing. That they could be so forgiving, kind, and loving toward their son's/brother's killer--so understanding of his youth and the way he was manipulated--is inspirational (and makes the whole story even sadder, because it only shows even more what a wonderful person Gregg must have been, too).
Gregg’s mom passed away from cancer like 7-8 years after his murder, and one of his brothers later said how her final years were absolutely destroyed by pain and grief, even before she got sick. He said there was a sense of peace when she passed because she was no longer suffering from either, and their family felt that she was reunited with Gregg and in a better place. I bawled by eyes out reading that. 😢
I lived close to Derry NH she is Guilty like Manson he didn't commit the murder but he arranged it like she did!
she is trying to get out again. she is implying she did have greg killed but does not say those words. this monster must never get out she is dangerous!
@@nicecutie I read what she wrote recently but I wasn't sure if she was tacitly admitting her involvement.
@@gelalindstrom3844 me too...more like her actions of having the affair caused his death, not that she planned it. Not really taking responsibility
Narcissists never want to admit their guilt. What I'll never understand is why do we kill each other? 99% of murderers go to jail. There have been very few that have never been caught but that's miniscule to how many get arrested. This story is sad for all involved. RIP Greg
I don’t know how I feel about this. After watching “Captivated: The Trials of Pamela Smart”, I’m seeing things differently. I suggest you all watch it.
She seriously wanted people to believe that recorded conversation was her acting to find out the truth? It’s absurd how quick she was at directing the girl on what to do and spent no time on attempting to find anything out! Pam Smart isn’t very smart!!
It's obvious billy Flynn was a wreck he felt horrible remorse on the other hand pam never shed a tear when talking about the case in court ...when the killer is more upset than the wife there is a problem....
Have you seen another interview of his after the trial? It’s the real him! Cocky and smug!
@@HopefulInterventions What interview is that--where can we watch it? Link, please!
@@dqverify6797 It’s brief but I will try to find it. Although, it was when he was still very young.
Any empathy from Billy Flynn was a charade to sway the jury toward a guilty verdict, and it was all orchestrated by the prosecution. Billy had to pander for some leniency, and what better way than to feign emotions to garner sympathy. Billy only wanted money and wheels, not to mention thrills. Pam only wanted the life insurance, the condo, and the dog. Billy and Pam were actually 2 peas in a pod, despite the creep factor.
For everyone defending Pam, please explain how Bill knew exactly how much the life insurance policies on Greg were. Why would he have that information unless Pam told him, and why would she talk about how much her husband 's life insurance policies were with him? Why would Pam say that if Cecilia went to the police or was questioned by them (on the tape) that she-Pam-would be busted if Cecilia tells what she knows. Why would she threaten Cecilia and tell her that if Cecilia tells the police she knew in advance of the murder that Cecilia would go to jail? (You are not legally required to report if you hear someone talking about committing a crime: Pam lied). Pam also says that Greg usually left the light on for her when she was late. He's an insurance salesman; she works in a high school as a resource person. Why is she regularly home later than him? Especially since she is supposedly the devoted wife. We are also talking about three kids who couldn't keep themselves from confessing to a murder they committed-something they most certainly would have lied about if they had any ability to do so believably- vs. a woman who hid a months long affair with her underaged student from others including her husband and then tried to keep that information from police after he was killed. Apparently, all the people defending Pam are unaware how much influence people in superior positions such as counselors and teachers can have over the children they teach. Unlike the rest of us, they probably also never did anything stupid as teenagers they later regretted. I also don't understand how people think these kids were trying to shirk responsibility. They all admitted what they did. Is it so hard to believe that a 22-year old woman whose husband went from being a carefree rocker to an overworking businessman overnight fell out of love with him and wanted his newfound business money and that lifestyle but also wanted to still have fun? Sorry, in America if you plan to have someone killed, you are just as responsible as the killers. Further, these kids all did well in prison and didn't cause trouble. Pam, on the other hand has been constantly in trouble- and was moved to a maximum security prison because they were worried she would try to escape. Finally, she was only tried for murder. She also should be tried for being a pedophile and that should have been tacked onto her sentence-since she blatantly admits it. People do not send kids to school expecting staff to develop sexual relationships with them just as they don't send their infirm elderly parents to nursing homes and expect staff to have sex with them. Being an adult means you need to control your urges and learn how to draw lines you don't cross- including spending extra time with any single person in your charge. If she hadn't gone to his house or invited him to hers, it certainly would have limited her opportunity to get sexually involved with him.
Agree with you 100%, your perspective is balanced & excellent! Thankyou!!
I had friendly relationships with some teachers at school too(,none as friendly as pam was though),not one of them even mentioned life insurance let alone the $$ value of them...
Exactly. Pam is guilty AF.
Well said, also there is no statue of limitations on sexual assault. That's is exactly what she did so she needs more charges added to her sentence.
2023,. Pamela Smart is not likeable. She has a very bad personality. She talks too much. She comes across as she only cares about herself.
...because she does only care about herself.
Pam LOVED this little 15 year old worshipping her, she felt powerful and like a queen.
She seduced the boy,and manipulated him,in order to " groom" him to murder her husband.
Shes a Psychopath
Those tapes!!!! Wow. The conversations she had with Cecilia were damning.
No not really if you look at them from Pamela's side. There is nothing incriminating. She is trying to find out what happened at the same time as trying to help Cecilia not incriminate herself.
@@margl6635 "Nothing incriminating?" She outright said, "You're going to have to lie, because if you tell the truth you're going to send...me to the slammer for the rest of [my] entire life." She outright said that she didn't wish she'd just gotten a divorce because "nothing was going wrong" with her murder plot until "Ralph told."
There is nothing on those tapes that indicates Pame was just "trying to find out what happened." It's very clear that she was not "pretending" to know about the murder to get information. She incriminates herself over and over again in those conversations.
No matter how the trial was conducted the jury believed the kids and not Smart
Amen
why was she not charged with statutory rape too?
Good point, if she had been a man, that charge would have been added.
Good point, Gender preference?
I was thinking that too. However, we live in a different time nowadays. Back in the 90’s, when I was in school, these “Hot women teachers” and boys wanting them and things happening was kinda acceptable in that society. However back then, it was also a lot easier for these types of women to get away w doing this due to no electronics that could be used as evidence like we have now. Heck, this same thing happened in my high school. A Senior had a crush on a pretty young teacher and after he graduated, he was 18 and they married but it was well known they had “relations” up to a year before that. And that was 2003, so it was still somewhat accepted then. But I do feel bad that these kids got manipulated by that awful woman, but they absolutely deserved every single second they all spent in prison. I’m glad to know Billy is now out and behaving and is doing ok, but Pamela KNEW BETTER!!!!! The kids knew better too. But if it weren’t her insistence on killing her poor innocent husband, then mainly & most importantly Greg would’ve just dealt w a divorce and moved onto find a real lady to marry, unlike the wh*re Pam is. And those teens would’ve not been involved in this either. She was the puppet master behind it all. She still to this day after 30 years is saying she had no part, and trying to get released. She even goes as far as to whine about how “Unfair” her life sentence is. It’s NOT unfair! She hasn’t even taken responsibility for her role in this. She’s garbage and hopefully she never leaves prison alive. Meaning.. she just stays until she dies like she’s ordered to do.
It's so sad to know that the victim would not take off his wedding ring even though his life was in danger because he was worried about his wife getting upset. The same person who planned this brutal murder. Unbelievable.
This very thing ran through my mind a million times. So did the question....did GOD tell Gregg, your wife did this, I'm sure you've heard of near death experiences where people speak with Jesus. I believe Gregg loved Pam so much. He actually moved to Florida to be near her before they were even married. I learned that Gregg's parents tried to sway him away from her, telling him, she's not for you. They saw that she treated them coldly and someone in a serious relationship WILL be very open and warm to their future in-laws but she was not. They saw her main goal was a career but you know the drill. Young and in love....I think Gregg was a lovely boy. Inherently good. I'm so glad the family got justice. I mean, they were literally slapped in the face with their son's death, actually seeing him on the floor dead. They SAW the very pits of hell. You're post just caught my eye. Yes, Gregg even faced with a serious situation tried to hold on to his wedding band which I'm sure he treasured. So sorry that this is long. I know how it feels to be hit with a death like that. The pain never goes away. So many lives were destroyed but the Smart family suffered terribly. Thank you for listening. XXOO GOD bless you.
Fred Macmurray played a bachelor in Double Indemnity but wears a wedding ring all through it. Some people just aren't comfortable removing it.
His wife didn’t do this.
@@LisatheGreatestI live here in Derry NH, I grew up here, I know people who knew Greg and Pam… his wife DID DO THIS.
@@justmemandalee Pam is innocent!
Thanks for uploading. These are so interesting. Hope you've got lots more :)
Still blows my mind that Pam still shows no remorse. Poor Gregg had no idea what was coming. No one in this story is actually innocent. The boys, Pam or Cecelia.
This story was just a mess. The boys are all out of prison while Pam rots away in jail. If she took responsibility she would surely be out by now.
Well, I hope NOT!
Possibly,don't forget her statutory charges - ppl do 20yrs for that alone. She may've been allowed to plead to 2nd degree murder had she been honest....& sorry.
Greg was innocent, and it’s his story too.
I usually get frustrated with american crime broadcasts - & its the narrator thats usually so irritating - this guy is fantastic, he really brings it all together, every word he says has value & its a pleasure to listen to, so thankyou sir!!
The good Ol days when documentaries were of quality and not filled with fluff and money grab sponsorships
Fucking Jodi Arias all the way, especially when she's on the stand....
Billy Flynn was a CHILD.
Got to grow up QUICK!
I agree, and I felt awful for him. However, he did the crime, and I believe his sentence of like 20 years was appropriate. Bill has been out, he’s been on good behavior, has a wife & kid now and I’m happy to hear that he turned his life around. But Pam STILL refuses to take any responsibility for being the mastermind of this entire heinous crime! She is right where she belongs rotting in prison!!!
Love it when you upload these thank you so much
You're welcome. Thanks for watching.
Pamela always wanted to be a media darling, now she is and in a place where she belongs, performing for a captive audience.
She destroyed these boys. She demon.
I feel sorry for Billy because he genuinely loved Pam. He was so young and he really believed that he would have been with her. He kept asking Billy certain questions and billy keep phrasing it so the persecutor knows he would have never done anything if he didn't tell him to
he groomed by her
At 15..its called 'puppy love"..
She seduced and manipulated that boy..
22 ! .... She looks mid 40s .👵
It's the shoulder pads and the hair doo
@@SoulforSale
I'm older in age ,did the 80s & never looked that old ! 😳
Now she looks like she’s 73 😂
Sho do!
@@Bag0fRats 🤣
Always watch teen and adult relationships. Kids are easy to manipulate.
I've listened to the trial several times and it strikes me how destroyed billy is and how stoic and unfeeling Pam was
I believe that's what got her convicted.....a narcissist forgets to get emotional....
@@deannekliene2673agree!, nobody told her not to show emotion,it makes no sense. The problem is that she can't show emotion & that's" the rub"
She couldn't show emotion because she's cold hearted, the only remorse that she was that she got caught for her part in the scheme to kill her husband.
“When I heard Bill was arrested, I thought, ‘the cops know about the affair!’”
“So why didn’t you go to the police, Pamela?”
“Because I thought if I did, the cops would find out about the affair.”
Uh…
She's really "spun" the affair hasn't she!?
She is to this day still very embarrassed about the affair and what else would you think
@@margl6635 The only thing she's "embarrassed" about is that she got caught. She has zero shame. And the point of my comment isn't that she claims to have thought "The cops know about the affair!" when Billy was arrested, the point is that she claims to have thought, "The cops know about the affair!" and then didn't go to the police because "If [she] did, the cops would find out about the affair."
They'd "find out" about the affair she claims to have thought the police already knew about.
What utter BS. She didn't go to the cops when Billy was arrested because she thought he'd be tried as a juvenile and so would be able to keep his mouth shut, and she was trying to send him messages through his mother to manipulate him into doing just that (keeping his mouth shut).
What Pame doesn't seem to realize is that with her "I was embarrassed" crap, she's admitting that hiding her affair was more important to her than finding her husband's killer. She claims to have been "obsessed" with finding Gregg's murderer, but withheld information from the police--which doesn't sound at all like a person doing everything she could to find the killer, does it? (And that's not even mentioning all the other clear and obvious proof of her involvement and attempts at witness tampering.)
This is where narcissistic sociopaths often fail: they think they're saying what any normal feeling person would say, but they're actually revealing themselves.
If those boys would have killed her dog also, she would have been wailing up the tears, but she had no tears because she didn't love Greg. She did love her dog though.
She calls what Greg did "an affair". Her Mom also brings it up as if Elizabeth was a victim. Being cheated on hurts so bad, it breaks trust and respect nearly forever in most cases but he wasn't having an affair the way she did and he never thought to kill her for a dog, couch and life insurance. She's a miserable narcissist who probably learned it from her Mom.
I don't believe that Gregg was unfaithful, he was besotted with her,she's told lots of lies,why isn't she lying about that too? I think this story would've been different were that true. Probably bc it wouldn't have been a " no fault" divorce - therefore she'd have a high chance of retaining her bloody white lounge suite & the dog that she loved so much....
Hope you've not had to go through that ..xx
Where is the proof Gregg had an affair? If pam lies about everything then why isn't she lying about this? I think she is!
Is there ANY evidence Greg slept with another woman, other than Pam's claim?
YES!! I was actually just about to type out a comment about that. Gregg had a drunken one-night stand with someone he didn't know, that he immediately confessed. Pame is the one who had an actual affair. But she calls Gregg's one-night-stand "an affair" to try to make it appear that he was the bad one and that what he did was just as bad as what she did. She's trying to manipulate us (and the jury back then) into seeing her grooming and abuse of a fifteen-year-old in the same light as what Gregg did, when it is absolutely not.
Especially when you consider how Pame reacted to Gregg's haircut and lifestyle change(s), how much they argued, and how cold she reportedly was toward him. I'm not saying his having a drunk one-nighter was okay, but it's certainly at least understandable in context. And the fact that he immediately confessed tells us how much remorse he felt. Pame, on the other hand...
It's crazy because when you listen to the tapes, pamela isn't dumb. She knew what are was doing and she knew what she was talking about.
TV was better in the 90s.
I'll never forget when Pam slammed the door in that reporter's face when he tried to interview her after the suspects' identities were broadcast all over the media. Up to that point, Pam seized every opportunity possible to gain any sort of media attention. Pam kept picking at an open wound until she eventually incriminated herself. Pam would even doll herself up in full hair and make-up, but she never shed a single tear. Pam's matter-of-fact demeanor and delivery didn't sit well with anyone. The old adage 'ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies' comes to mind with regards to Pam Smart.
Pamela free yourself!! Sit your parents down and tell them the ugly truth. Apologize to every person whose life you ruined. Tell them you have been jerking them around this whole time. So many victims. You just don’t want to believe that the truth will set you free.
So says the liar shooter to save his skin, what a farce
Billy Flynn had to cooperate with the prosecution in order to garner some leniency. Pam was the prosecution's main target, so any sympathy toward Billy would help sway the jury toward a guilty verdict, the ultimate goal. Billy has since been released while Pam, on the other hand, continues to languish in prison, a punishment she deserves. Billy only wanted money and wheels, not to mention thrills. Pam only wanted the life insurance, the condo, and the dog. The gang, Cecelia Pierce included, loosened their lips after Pam failed to honor her part of the bargain, which was money in exchange for murder. Their fury gave way to gossip and carelessness.
That's a big loss for the strong independents huh? Lol. I suppose you support her watching '9 1/2 Weeks' with an underage boy and then "having sex" with him? Just your speed huh?
@@marlanaferro1558 "Billy only wanted money and wheels, not to mention thrills. ... The gang, Cecelia Pierce included, loosened their lips after Pam failed to honor her part of the bargain, which was money in exchange for murder. Their fury gave way to gossip and carelessness."
WTF are you on about? None of this is true.
i knew Pam was guilty af when she said in one of her very first tv interviews after Gregg was unalived that 'it couldn't have happened at a better time in his life'.
Who says that?!
Always that one person coughing
The real crimes are the New England accents those kids have.
Another annoying thing is her and her Mom bring up Gregg's one night stand making Pam the victim!
Infidelity is very common. So is jealousy.
No one suggests he deserved death for adultery. They are explaining marital tensions.
THAT is a lie. Greg never cheated on her. It's not rocket science to just know that.
@@jeankeats3200 Adultery is very common. Humans are not naturally monogamous.
@@jeankeats3200 oh I agree it is a lie! But they use it as an excuse. Re victimizing Gregg all over again😰
I LOVE how long it takes Pam to figure out "WHY" and "WHAT" she "liked" about her husband and Bill.
What was so long. It's kind of a stupid question for a young person newly married. What did you want her to say. The sex, how about his charming good looks. Can you describe love?
@@margl6635 Ok pedo fan, calm down!
@@margl6635 I can certainly list off the top of my head a number of reasons I love my husband and what I love about him, and could before we were married, on our wedding day almost twenty-five years ago, and today. It's actually not hard at all for most people.
The boys might have a reason to lie but Cecilia did not
Whomever casted Helena Hunt in the film regarding this story did great casting.
How would these kids know where to go without pam telling him?
Because bill stayed the night the week before the murder
They, or at least Billy had been at their house/condo before.
She also left the door unlocked for them...and they took nothing of value....they were there to kill him for Pam.....
Not to mention it the plan was to just shoot Gregg. Why would the risk going to the house? Why not just wait outside his work or outside the house and just shoot and run like a mob hit. The burglary shows how dumb her plan was. Narcissist always believe they will never be caught.
Pam acts like a victim. She shows no remorse and takes zero responsibility for her actions! She is pure evil.
Over thirty years later and Bill's testimony still makes me cry. Poor Greg.
Of course he murdered someone. Who wouldn't cry
To all the friends of Pam saying she should be out, even if she had life with the possibility of parole, she'd still be in prison. She has a terrible record, breaking rules and constantly getting into fights. Not to mention a lack of remorse. She belongs in prison.
She has no conscience. Very intelligent but no conscience to guide herself/mind to do anything good with it.
BINGO!!!
Iam glad that he serve his time, but Pam smart deserves her time
She's served 31 years, over half her life in prison.
@@denisenoe7746 yes
@@denisenoe7746 she is 4 years older then me, I can't imagine been in prison my 20s 30s 40s now 50s
So my comment is about the quality of the video. The audio was very poor and the visual was also pretty.Degraded. I do enjoy my true crime. And I thought the narrator's voice was quite interesting and relaxing, but he wasn't really much in the documentary. It was mostly the court case, and if it was only going to be the court case, is it possible?They can clean up the audio a little bit more so you can listen to it
If she didn't know what was wrong with him or what had happened to him,why did she want the police called? the usual thing would've been to call for an ambulance...& theyre not going to attend a scene where a crime has been committed until the scene has been cleared...
They based a movie on this called Murder in New Hampshire
I say again Charles Manson did not personally kill anyone but was the mastermind It's no different with Smart Also during a bank robbery the get away driver gets the same fate as those robbing the bank
Yea but she didn’t get the same fate. The one who pulled the trigger is free. I’m not saying she’s innocent but there are a few things that don’t add up to me. Plus she was guilty by the media before court even started. She had no chance of winning a trial or even a fair trial. I ain’t defending her either I’m just saying
Those boys should have been in prison for life as well. They were old enough to know better.
You don’t understand how a woman can manipulate teenage boys? You know why young males are more likely to get themselves into trouble than young women? Because of testosterone, and the fact that the brain goes through a massive change between the ages of 12-25. The prefrontal cortex rearranges itself. It often makes young women unpredictable in their emotions, and young men unpredictable in their behaviours.
I remember when this happened .. and then the movie came out .. horrible really .. this is a teacher
she wasnt a teacher though
She was, she just didn't work as one.
She was not a teacher but a media coordinator. She was 21, 2 years out of her teens.
@New Jack City Of course it was wrong.
@New Jack City i said she wasnt a teacher...nothing about if she was a child or adult...did you reply to wrong person?
I wish the audio didn’t suck :(
These kids surely focked up but they surely are not lying about what took place... RIP!
This woman did not get a fair trial. There was even a TV movie released prior to the Court Case. Six of the jurors admitted years after the case that they had seen the movie. One Juror admitted that after seeing the movie that she had already decided that she was guilty. Remember that Pam did not kill anyone. The three kids were in adjoining cells where Prison Officers allowed them to chat freely about the case. Pam was in solitary.
Even Charles Manson’s trial was far more just.
She may have been guilty but we will never know as the Court System and the media decided that she was already guilty before this even went to court.
She did get a fair trial, and that is not true re the jurors.
And if you heard & saw the evidence, you know she was in fact guilty. "We will never know," what nonsense. We know.
@@dqverify6797 studied this case in law school. Lots of judicial errors. She was prejudged based on the media and very little evidence. She had never been in trouble before but Bill and the boys had.
@@Ailuj234 If your law school professor made those claims, they should be fired. Where in the world did you go to law school, where you were told that?
The Appellate Courts found no judicial errors, no evidence of prejudice, and who cares what the media says--did your law school education not include jury instructions, burdens, and expectations? There was plenty of evidence against her, including her own words on those tapes. Who cares if she'd never been in trouble before, but they had? Lots of sociopaths live into adulthood without getting into trouble; it doesn't mean they wouldn't if the need or opportunity presented itself.
Read the AG response to one of Pame's clemency requests; I posted the link elsewhere in these comments.
Old school Court TV 😊
Poor 15 year old mind. Had no idea what else Pam would have done to him had things gone further.
Totally rehearsed by those boys and the prosecution. See the pause after he takes it through step by step and waits for the next question that he already knows coming. A decent defence would have had a field day. They’re all guilty but the boys got off with a few years.
Few years? They were in prison for 25yrs. Pam is guilty of planning the murder and murder even though she didn’t pull the trigger. That’s the way the law is written. She also is a pedo sleeping with a 15yr old before the crime was committed. She would’ve got a much less sentence if she just told the truth instead of changing her story many times
Twenty-plus years is not "a few," and of course the prosecution prepared their witnesses--just like the defense prepared theirs. That's what happens in any trial.
Pame's lawyer was one of the best in the state. I'd love to know what you think he could and should have done that he didn't do?
Watch it this is Norma's cousin there traites run in the family they married men for money
Most of these cases of murder for hire or other selfish reasons, the people jnvolved never admitted to "murdering" the person or ending a life, just that they want to get rid of an obstacle.
The prosecutor reminds me of the guy in Jodi Arias trial
What a case for the jurors. Such a hard thing when two sides are claiming they are right.
Pam "I didn't want to have an affair any more in other words I'm finished using using you. Pam "the only reason I wouldn't be with Bill is because I love Greg. Help me here please, is she saying that I would have continued abusing and raping this under age boy because she loved Greg. My gosh what kind of sick demented woman is this. She talks about finding out that her husband who she claimed she loved and did not shed one tear when recounting the event. That's not being stoic, is being a heartless conniving harlot. Bill Flynn was totally duped but should have served more time because he knew better. That's the only injustice.
Greg has a one stand so Pam feels she justified in having an ongoing affair with an underage boy. What kind of sick reasoning is this?
This poor kid is showing such emotion over killing Greg. Pam never shed a tear. I’m so glad he has a chance to live his life outside of prison. Poor kid.
Pam isn’t innocent, but the boys that actually were there that night and also killed Greg are more culpable. The fact they’re free is a frightening statement of the gender inequalities in our Justice system.
Wrong. She was the adult…they were kids…under her “spell”…she manipulated them. She is a demon
Why? No one has been in the news for further murders.
No, it isn't. If there's any statement about gender inequality to be made here, it's that if Pam was a man, she would have been convicted of statutory rape as well as conspiracy, and if the boys were girls they would have gotten out even sooner.
The real statement made, though, is the different way people are sentenced when they own up to what they did and confess, and when they continue to lie and gaslight and deny their obvious responsibility...like Pam is still doing to this day.
Wth has " the gender inequalities" got to do with it? The boys are out bc they admitted what they did & served 25yrs for it - that's why they're out. Had she done the same then she'd be out too. Throwing around statements like "gender inequalities" doesn't make you sound smart,it makes you sound like you don't know what you're talking about - bc you dont
How are the boys - the minors " more culpable" lmao,try & learn so that you don't make such stupid comments. You sound like you've picked up a few words from one person,some more from somebody else you've put them together,posted them thinking you sound smart - & you don't
😮😮..and ALLL this,because he cut his hair???
My phone autocorrects her to damn smart!! Hmm 🤔
VERY GOOD movie 😀
I tried to be as Liberal as possible, but honestly don't make sense about the 2 claimed "missing tapes" - because it contradicts what she said on the stand to "Pretend to have known..." But then the 2 other missing tapes deny involvement?? Would have to be 1 or the other stratejy - Pretending to know - or - Deny...
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Cecilia was jealous obviously, she lied
This you Pam?
Pam failed to uphold her part of the bargain, which was money for murder. Cecelia was part of the gang and was to be paid for her cooperation, even if she wasn't the one to pull the trigger; that girl was complicit - period. Their fury gave way to gossip and carelessness. The gang was pissed, especially when Pam collected the life insurance. I don't believe in the jealousy theory with regards to Cecelia toward Pam. Had Pam paid those kids the negotiated sum, Gregg would likely be a cold case today. Money talks, but so do people.
@@marlanaferro1558 None of that is true. You're making things up that have no evidence to support them or basis in reality, and stating them as fact.
May that woman rot in prison. A life for a life. B""""
If pam was threatening divorce and fighting with greg on the phone, as Cecilia said and telling him fine take the dog, why did greg the night he was killed, come home with tickets to Florida? Something doesn't sound right here. I also think on the tapes, that Pam was trying to help Cecilia stay out of it and that is all. There is nothing said where she actually incriminates herself. Bill was incredibly obsessed with Pam and Pam was trying to let him down gently but he couldn't handle this so he thought if he got rid of Greg Pam would stay with him. He had even threatened to kill himself if she didn't stay with her. This is typical behaviour of a truely obsessed kid traumatized by an impending breakup. Males externalize their grief, take it out on others where females internalize and become depressed. I believe Pamela.
So in your mind, "If you tell the truth about what happened you're going to have to send me to prison for the rest of [my] entire life?" isn't incriminating?
She’s not guilty. Ridiculous she’s in prison
The Boys were obviously coached and acted out the prosecution’s version on the stand. It’s very obvious when you watch the cross examination of them on the stand. It’s Blake everything on Pam!
This you Pam?
@@julianyc422nope,it's some other halfwit
When you plan a murder you dont give a shotman a ride. She is not that stupid, so I believe that the teenage creeps were lying.
Exactly. Forensics prove that billy Flynn couldn’t have been the shooter, one of the other teens did. There’s a lot more to this than the story they sold. Pam didn’t kill him or plan it.
The little creeps who actually attacked Greg and the one who pulled the trigger are all out in society. Pam has served more than enough time. Idc if she DID talk Flynn into killing Greg, he knew right from wrong. And Ceclia P should have been locked up right along with the rest of them, she's a two faced liar.
If it weren't for Pam Greg would be alive today.
NOTHING would have happened if not for this evil woman. She deserves everything she got and more.
Madeleine I have to agree with you, if she's doing life they should be to including Cecilia they knew right from wrong, I don't care what her role is in the crime, I don't believe in life with no parole, in certain circumstances you need to leave hope on the table because in effect the prisoner has nothing to lose and that is a dangerous mindset and situation and these little mongrels pled out with a deal.
Yes.
@@julie4evert490 Sure, and if Oreos and Häagen-Dazs didn't exist, I wouldn't be fat 🙄
Free Pam!
If you drive the get away car during a bank robbery you get the same fate as the actual theivs
Charles Manson had his groupies and Pam Smart had her minions.