Wet timing belt 1.2 PureTech | Peugeot, Citroen | Timing belt dissolves | V22-0887
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2024
- 00:00 Greeting
00:29 Info on the wet timing belt
01:09 Checking timing belt in installed condition
01:43 Toothed belt removed and damaged
02:30 EXPERT-KITS+ repair kit
03:41 Consequential damage caused by a defective timing belt
04:39 Looking behind the oil sump at the oil pump
05:01 Urgent recommendation for timing belt repair
05:40 Conclusion
We take a closer look at the wet timing belt from the 1.2 PureTech engines. Over time, the belt can become cracked and swell. In the worst case, it will break and cause enormous damage to the engine.
We go into the replacement interval and the problem. Why does the timing belt come apart? When should a wet timing belt be changed? How can I check my timing belt?
Even after changing the wet timing belt, there may be problems with the engine. We shed light on what causes this and where the abrasion from the old timing belt is deposited. The abrasion can cause extreme clogging on the oil pump and vacuum pump.
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I have 2 old cars with dry belts and i am happy😊
Mine has a good chain, and I'm even happier 😊
Me too.
These were introduced because it gave a longer service interval and lower emissions. The manufacturers say premature failures are because of the wrong oil and poor maintenance. Sadly this has been proved wrong correct oil and even more frequent oil changes have not saved many engines. This has resulted in replacement engines and even if repaired the costs can rapidly mount until it is almost uneconomic to repair. As for belt changes a bill for £1000 to £1500 is not uncommon if rubber particles are found in the oil pick up to the oil pump , resulting in replacement of the oil pump and the pick up. The PSA and Ford engines are time bombs. I notice that Hyundai has kept with a chain for its 1.0 litre 3 cylinder engine . I have not heard of any failures of this engine as of yet.
Thanks guys it helps a lot💯👍
I thought it was carved in stone that “oil and rubber do not mix”?
Certainly wont be buying any vehicle with a wet timing belt after researching it....shame as i was looking forward to getting a Citroen berlingo. Who's going to spend 15-20k on a used car with that ticking bomb under the bonnet....
Take the diesel one, theyre really as sturdy, as modern cars may get
1000 quid later I had my ds4 back on the road. The engine was saved, but a major clean up job was needed.
Stellantis Group have given a 10 year 150k kilometre warranty for these engines, as long as properly seviced.
I don't know of any other maker that gives such a warranty.
All engines have potential problems, all of them bar none.
A possible problem has been identified, engines re designed and a massive warranty issued.
No other maker has ever done that and given the number of marques that use the engine, at least 5, a huge undertaking.
A good job done.
Hello, great video. Does this issue happen with the psa engine blue 1.5 diesel engine 130bhp for citroen belingo 2020.
New Corsa now coming through with chains
Makes no sense running rubber through oil. It’s just a way to shorten TB change intervals. Why not run a chain instead?
Probably wrong oil type used on this engine before.. or PSA group "Peugeot, Citroen, Opel" must do someting for this wet timing belt idea.. they should reduce service fees and provide convenience. otherwise i will sell my car and never buy Peugeot, Citroen. Opel again..
Its not only PSA group engines.
VW group also use wet belts in their diesel engines for driving oil pumps.
And some more too...
@@TadVarn Ford use the same belt sinze 2years more as PSA in they 1.0 ecoboost engines 125 and 140hp
Or Ford or Mazda.subaru, bmw..the auto industry make s h it. Buy electric..
dear. great review sure i had an opel crossland x 2020 1.2 turbo .i had same problems at first top up oil level message then engine fault then stop the car message until 77000km .psa engine in egypt decided to replace the engine in warranty by new engine they get it and now they replace it.does psa changed the old belt with new one differ in its mateial to prevent all that law pressure problem? i want to know .i read that they made a new version v3 . is that true thanks
also i want to know the right oil they recommend mobil pss 5w-30 is that correct oil viscocity?
Seems like dry timing belts were best. Cheap, light not complicated and they often lasted way beyond their recommended change interval.
Everybody notices it... yet what most people don't know is that wet belts are on a lot of cars. Take the 2.0 TDi from VAG, that can have a wet belt for the oil pump. Absolute nightmare to get to, nobody knows which engine it's on and there's no service intervals for it.
Nobody knows which engine it is on ...- i bet its bullshit
Buyers probably don't know because they don't research reliability problems and the manufacturer can't really sell this as a good design improvement... so shhhhhh🤫
can anyone answer the question? but like a diesel engine in a similar series. Does a diesel engine have such problems?
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I think that’s a much better solution. But you have to take the whole engine apart.
Hi there. I saw in another video that cars with this engine built in 2023 already come with a new timing belt ( more resistant to oil maybe). do you know something about that ?
As i know, belt turned to chain with end of 2023..
Very good video. Unfortunately the PureTech engine has too many design flaws. Mine gave up via the belt and oil leaks at 105,000 km.
Sad to see that customer services (Peugeot for me) are not at all up to scratch and find every excuse not to participate in the cost of repairs.
To ensure a long life for the oil-immersed rubber timing belt, it is essential to adhere to service intervals and, above all, to use oil with the manufacturer's specifications.
The 1.2 puretech engine is one of the best 3 cylinders on the market, despite the belt problem. A new, stronger timing belt is used on the new PureTech engines, which should ensure even higher mileage and greater safety for all.
@@depechepolnah, not really mate, it’s a poor design choice.
@@depechepol I hope so, just bought a new Citroen C4 Puretech 130
This is the most stupid idea ive ever sean for a timing system
Or how about don’t run a timing belt through oil?
I have a 208 2021 and now currently 95000km not a single problem belt is like new, always serviced correctly and with right oil, gonna replace it at 100k km, this little car has saved me a lot of money cos use it to drive to work and with right driving it is very fuel efficient👍
Timing chain yes but who in there right mind would have a rubber belt inside an engine! Fools ..
We was looking at purchasing a 108 1.2 litre as its suggested this engine is better suited than the 900cc unit but the smaller engine I believe has the conventional external dry belt so that would be the safer bet also with the wet belt replacement with all the required parts , oil change and potentially new brake/ oil pumps and sump off to check for blockages would be astronomical with the labour change and I expect it would have to-be main dealer as your local garage probably won't have the necessary tooling to do the job! I think this is all a big plan to make us pay more for scheduld maintanance and to run a far greater risk of engine failure, not a car I would be able to drive with peace of mind and confidence and I expect this 3 cylinder 1.2 litre application is in other manufacturers superminis so as I did please do your resurch before you part with your hard earned cash especially if it's a used car with no warranty or weather a warranty claim would cover consumable because I'm sure peugeot are aware this is a silly design fault so unless the belt is checked within a basic interim oil service which I doubt it is how would you know the condition of the wet belt!
Be warned and steer clear, plenty of other small car brand's to choose from or go for the smaller unit !
When do you recommend changing the water pump?
In principle, it is a good idea to replace the water pump as part of the assembly. Therefore, the water pump should be checked during the repair and replaced if there is noticeable wear.
However, the pump does not necessarily have to be replaced.
Didn't need any belt. This time is over for us. Technical from yesterday.
I would never recommend any wet belt engine it's just cost us 2k to have it all changed including the oil pump due to it all filling up with rubber from the belt, this is at 40k miles and will need doing again at 80k miles
Interesting, I've a 2008 gt ordered and due in September
Bro if it has a wet belt don’t!!!!!! I have this and this is exactly what’s happening in my 2008! Only after 3 services from dealership it’s a huge flaw, your choice but have this in mind 40k on the clock it’ll break down if lucky up to 55k, I’d rather get a German car like Audi with a metal chain instead of this crappy wet belt
Send it back it's going to cost you a fortune in a 3 years time
The latest models now have a timing chain instead of a wet belt. It’s a good idea to double check this with your sales agent.
Enjoy the 2008 GT!
Make sure that the engine code will be EB3xxx, this has a chain. Pester your salesman to inform you of the engine type, if he doesn’t tell you, change your order fora diesel engine
Good video but I am missing some info.
Question: How much roughly does it cost the replacement of all these parts shown in the box? And how often has to be replaced?
Hello @NikolaiSiudyna79,
This depends on the sales price of the parts and on the calculation of the labour costs of the respective workshop.
For this, you should contact a workshop of your choice. This cannot be generalised, as the prices often differ considerably both regionally and geographically.
The timing belt should be checked at every service. The check is carried out using a measuring tool as shown in the video.
A change is planned for an interval of 60,000 km.
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Team VAICO
About a 1000 bucks.
My wife's Citroen DS3 belt disintegrated, £1100 repair.
Dry timing belt 'I'm a terrible engineering design'
Wet timing belt 'hold my beer
If pump screen is plunged than no oil to crank and rest of motor ..... Stupid idea
Will this belt kit last longer than the original?
Hello deea2680,
The timing belt corresponds to the already improved version and should have a longer service life. Our product is of high quality. We also receive regular feedback on our products and always endeavour to live up to our high standards.
Best regards,
Team VAICO
What’s wrong with putting s chain in there .
Much alc, or some LSD maybe 😂
You get 1% more efficiency with belt vs chain.
Mechanics must hate this job
opel corsa F, 2024 1.2 turbo use same sistem... is it possible that germans alowed this??!??
Since Opel was PSA and now is Stellantis, yes.
lorsqu'un fabriquant modifie les règles de maintenance sans aucune compensation financière aux clients ... du vol ... de l'arnaque ... si ce moteur serait fiable la courroie ne serait pas à changer tous les 6ans. ce n'était pas le cas sur les 106 et première C3 mais a l'époque ils 'e réalisaient pas de l'argent sur le dos des clients. ils sont cupides.
Can you provide the purchase link? don't locate it.
Hello,
where are you located?
Maybe we ca give you an idea which company has our parts in stock.
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Miami, Florida. United States. @@VAICO
Hello,
please check out Ebay and other typical sales platforms for carparts. You may import the parts from another country.
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Team VAICO
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Good idea 😱 wet cam belt 👎
Worst engine ever, and Citroen dealers do anything to avoid doing the repair as it's major work. This engine is a shocking cover up. Despite mine being recalled they just had a quick look and a month later the belt had had it. I paid privately for a change at another Citroen garage only for it still to drink oil. I'll never buy Citroen or Peugeot again. Buyer beware.
I had this exact experience: belt replaced after 28.000km and guzzling oil like a maniac. Buyer beware indeed! The resale value plummets too because of this engine. Stellantis backs off and doesn't compensate, leaving thousands of duped customers out in the cold. This was covered extensively on a Dutch consumer oriented television program "Kassa". They even got a representative of Stellantis to respond, however there was nothing but excuses and weaseling their way out of it. The only Citroën I would consider buying is a 2cv as a hobby / tinker car. You can repair it yourself with some pliers and a piece of wire 😉 My daily driver is Japanese and it gives me ease of mind.
Very shite idea having a wet rubber belt in oil, shame because the engine has loads of power 100ps Corsa
Ford had the same idea with his 1.0L ecoboost 125 and 140hp
Similar problem Ford is having with their wet belt engines….crazy idea.
I would feel happier with a chain, or dry belt.
Wet timing belt? It won't work because it can't work like the old dry belt design. The problem is the flat teeth design so the oil between it can't escape fast enough from the flat surface and you will get a slammed timing belt from high pressure environments. This design is very very bad!
the service schedule for these engines is rubbish. Just change the oil and filter annually or 5,000 miles. Use the correct oil(Total Quartz ineo first 0w30) and don't use engine flush or additives because they attack the belt and problems can be avoided.
Timing belt in oil would not be such big problem for engines with port injection. For direct injection engine it is a very unfortunate solution, most of these small cars drive in the city for short distances, the engine cant get hot and portion of the gasoline condensates on the combustion chamber and it is pushed down by piston to the oil reservoir. If direct injection car drives short distances only, the oil became heavily contaminated by gasoline and even if you are following the manufacturer oil change plan and quality, it might not be enough to prevent the timing belt damage. Such cars can fail at quite low mileage, while if you use the same car for mid range commuting, you might not have any problems whatsoever.
It's good to cook timing belt in oil 😂
Wantted a petrol berlingo but a total no jo
All this 'wrong oil used' is a boad of lollocks. So how does the 'blend' of the proper oil differ from the wrong oil. Steal ''tis don't make engine oil, they just get it from one of the blenders. What do the belenders allegedly do to the correct stuff that makes it a Belt Saver.
Agree, I have a new 308, which has the “correct” oil from the factory. The belt change interval was 120.000km.
The car now has 30,000km, whilst checking the oil level, I noticed that the belt was not in good condition, it had started to crack, the belt was changed at 25,000km, it was covered by the warranty
What milage was on that , you didn’t say😢
Hello keegan4039,
The mileage is actually secondary, it was 127,000 km. The belt on the example vehicle has already been changed once. However, the oil pump was forgotten.
It is more about the fact that the maintenance intervals were not adhered to, that possibly the wrong non-permitted engine oil was used, that the engine oil was contaminated by coolant, but also by fuels (E10) and by condensation water. This happens with vehicles that are used in short-distance operation and do not reach operating temperature. In addition, E10 fuels contain components that may damage the additives in the engine oil.
Regards,
Team VAICO
What a stupid design. I have seen few drive belts damaged over the time due to an oil leaking on them. Cambelt will wear out over the time, even you use right oil during the service. All the rubber dirt will go to engine oil. On top of that Ford transit has engine service interval every 30k kms.
What a hassle avoid these buy a toyota or any of the Japanese makes
There needs to be an aftermarket timing chain conversion kit for these engines. What a load of garbage.
I will never, ever, ever, ever buy a car with a wet belt. And I know more and more people that think like me.
i avoid cambelt cars since they need to be replaced every 5yrs which isn't cheap so i always buy chain engine cars
You don’t immerse a belt in oil, it’s asking for trouble, get a timing chain conversion done, problem solved!!
Bad engine..alot of problems..never ends...tooooo sad
Wet belt is a foolish idea. Timing chain is king for me.
What a joke if your pickup is blocked and the oil pump is damaged, what happens to your main bearings and big ends? Small timing chain and pushrods, sorted! When I hear wet belt I burst out laughing
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this engine is disaster! avoid it
This is the stupidest idea dry timing belts OK a timing chain the best l don't own any vehicles with timing belts only chains does Toyota use timing belts no because my 27 year old Toyota Hilux that has done 437000 kilometres it maybe it's original timing chain l bought it 5 years ago it may have been changed but it is still tight and my partners Suzuki Baleno has also a timing chain but it has only done 81000 kilometres l know why European car makers built inbuilt obsolescence and all European cars and vehicles are crap and they even can't get timing chains right
Stupid design,intended to fail,to make garages money.Simple answer,don't buy.
That's why I am going for EV less maintenance and cheaper.