Not a bad idea, I might take this approach for MMOs I continue to play into the hundreds of hours, it’s more content and although not every game will keep me playing that long your perspective is more balanced for sure, any game that’s given me a couple hundred hours of entertainment has something going for it, even if it’s got a bunch of issues.
@@TheLazyPeon LazyPeon replied to me, achievement unlocked hehe :D -- hey man wanted to say great work on all videos and physical stuff been doing now awesome to see!
I don't know why there's so many comments bashing him for providing honest feedback. Most of what he says is legit especially as it relates to the movement, targeting and usage of certain skills. That doesn't make the game bad or not fun or not worth playing. He's simply making a case to what will make the game more enjoyable. I personally fucking go livid when I try to dash forward but the cursor goes backwards. Not fun. Most of what he mentions can be polished up and should be brought up to the developers. All that's going to do is make an already awesome game better
@@chester8459not that hard? this game cycle ended people is now logging in a off from dailies just like your wows ffxiv etc games, idk why u seem surprised, people quit lost ark once they reached T3
Even though I'm a PvE player and most of your comments are about PvP, I appreciate this video. You have given very specific changes that should be easy to implement. I think this shows that you like the game and put time and effort into coming up with these ideas. I'm really enjoying this game so far. Most of the things I hate about BDO are not in this game and many of the things I like about WoW and GW2 are in this game. I'd like to see 20-30 player raids like you mentioned and more developed NPC storylines to add to immersion. As an example, WoW has the Gadgetzan faction with its own lore and town designs. Also, I think your video prompted me to try the game so that is appreciated and I think NCSoft should pay attention to your feedback.
ironically the game is pretty enjoyable for a non-hardcore PvE player, and it's dogshit for PvP heads. The PvP is terrible, and I'm not taking p2w into this. It's just bad scaled, mitigation mechanics feels off, there's literally no skill involved just some weird RNG and stunlocks
healing dungeons in this game really opens your eyes to how stupid most people are because even at max level nearly all of my groups refused to block any of the BIG OBVIOUS ATTACKS
This is a solid complaint. As you pointed out, smaller guilds with 20 to 40 active players have barely any content left because of these mega guilds. For example, I can never participate in the Junobote world boss event, which is supposed to be peaceful. Instead, the zone shifts to PvP mode, and the top guild, along with its subsidiaries, blocks the entrance and kills everyone. It’s frustrating to see one guild, with all its allies, ruining the experience for everyone else. It's the biggest issue I have with the game.
I noticed the most important slider was missing when i was creating my alt. I was confused because I remembered it was there in the beta so I was quite upset about it.
These "global audience" appeasements always turn out to just annoy everyone. What do they take western gamers for? Kotaku readers? Quite insulting ngl.
The most spot on TnL on UA-cam that finally someone that experienced the real end game and its pros and cons. Very well done and as someone in the same exact position in game as you, I agree with 100% of what you’ve said. I hope the devs listen. This has the potential to be a legendary game for years if managed correctly.
10:27 I guess a lot of people still doesn't know this but you can block your falling damage with Q, you don't need to glide from that grapple you can just press Q
My guild died a few days after launch. We barely have 5 online at one time and haven’t raided in weeks. Game is fun but the reliance on other people is what’s kinda killing it for me. The game is SO DEPENDENT on team play but it’s still a good game imo. Just want to play more things solo
That's fundamentally the issue of the game. When two alliances monopolize the end game. The people most interested in the game flock to them. While locking out the others from ever participating.
@@benjaherrera3299 This MMO shoves team play down your throat way more than any other I've ever played. I feel like it's just not really possible to play this game solo.
@@twlsrovrdaar I love it when peaple are like I play MMO but I hate to interact whit other player. like theres other games that way better on everything then a MMO (because it dont have to deal whit Network). that said if the guild is to small talk whit the members that left and try and join a bigger one. the wow guild I was in had a rolling aliance (and whit the aid of a few addon) more or less Cross guild communication whit a few other guilds so that when ever there was stuff that needed doing we could always scrape up enouth members between all the guilds to make it work. that said Im not sure how good cross guild communication is in Throne and Liberty consider that Guild functionality have not really advanced a lot sins what it was when Wow launched in 2007-2008. (like sure we got Guild halls and or Guild vs Guild Keeps/castle) but after that not really. no real ability to link whit other guilds in a proper way (mega guild or alliances or what have you). Guild ranks are still just a single Line whit maybe 10 ranks (one is the Guild master and only one can be the guild master so really 9 ranks) (whit no way to communicate ranks outside of the guild). (out guild had to set up its costume Guild rank structure shown whit ascii art through a MyRolePlay addon. (this also through a lot of jank also let us show our Guild rank to other players but it was sort of Janky in that you had to input the rank as a name into a rank field manually. (so if you had a event where you and other guild was holding a promotion even where someone whent up a rank it could take the addon 2 min to broadcast the uppdate to the other MyRolePlay user and we could see it).
I've put 170 hour into the game. You've hit the nail on the head for most of my gripes. It's a 7.5/10 game that I have a hard time putting down and if they fix most of these issues it's easily a 9.5/10
Very good points added for them to improve! Hope they listen and take notice of what you've just given them. All of them are noticeable and disturbing the gameplay for me and probably everyone else!
Dude, im so proud of you man. bumbed into you on the streets of Zwolle couple years ago. you have done good so far. been following from the start of BDO days. Keep up the grind ( personal and Game wise)
23: About devastating smash. I'm not sure why I haven't heard much compliant but I think body blocking/collision needs to be removed. It makes melee combat feel garbage and I can't count how many times I've used devastating smash into my charged combo and found myself on top of enemies due to collision, slide off, then slide out of range, and then be forced to recast. It's also TERRIBLE design that grapple NEEDS stamina. I was wondering why sometimes it simply does not work and later saw my stamina bar drain after grappling and connected the dots. I'm not sure if that only happens if you're in combat or take damage from falling and get put into "combat" but either way it should not require stamina under any circumstance when damn near everything wants to take from your one stamina bar. One more thing about collision I hate is when im in a dungeon and I'm casting my big damage... and then my tank or other party members runs into me and then proceedes to push me out of range.
the movement, especially the morphing and grappling in this game feels like im an obese walrus dragging myself through shards of broken glass and rusty nails
13 is so counter intuitive. All your pointed out issues are 10/10. Love the game, hope they get on top of it. Range in general also feels like trash. (I know why they went with it) but it feels to forced. There is a ton of content/modes coming for small, med groups also, so there is a lot to look forward to. Removing sliders because of annoying useless people when the far majority want them is just cancer. Tbh they need to make the chain lock on just supersize or something, even objects, npcs etc near them can literally throw you off to. The fact its in important content and forced is so ugh. Hell if in the area it isn't killing you, or even just not working at all LOL, even when you do fly theres a pretty huge chance you get that issue where your flight mod T poses and you crash to the ground. All of that is compounded when dropping off a 1' ledge kills you.. Who''s idiotic idea was that. Also because of the super low pings in SK I bet they did not do any testing for how building around that would effect all of in global with even normal pings lol.
I've been enjoying the game but I found that evasion stacking makes PVP really unfun. In combination with CC having a percent hit chance (mentioned in the video), it turns a lot of fights into "who had better evade/hit RNG". Especially when your big powerful ability just misses and you can't do it again for 30 seconds.
I think there's a big issue with world boss loot being parts of armor sets needed for builds. You would need a guild to give you 3 of the same item just to get the set you need to be competitive.
One pretty simple thing I would love to see is some basic glow/sparkle effect on your armor/weapon when it is upgraded. Can start with some basic glow on green items, heavy glow on blue items and glow and lightning effect on purple items. This was a cool thing in the game called Last Chaos. You could upgrade your weapon to +15 in that game and it was glowing with lightning effects 🙂. When upgrading the armor, you got a fairy flying over your right shoulder that was glowing more the higher your upgraded weapon was.
I was having an absolute blast playing Throne And Liberty despite the lack of a boob slider but the longer I played the more impactful many of the issues described here became for me. The one that killed it for me however was the lack of depth in non-combat activities. I'm a little spoiled by BDO I suppose but the Life Skills gameplay added so much depth to the game that I'd often do just that stuff and not engage in any combat during a session. Farming, fishing, gathering, trading, building my own ship, etc. There was so much to do. Throne and Liberty by contrast feels like it could have been a mobile game. The only thing you really do is fight and everything else is geared towards making you do bigger numbers when you fight. That got boring quickly. Add in all the issues with the actual combat gameplay, the shallow endgame experience, and all the Guild BS and I couldn't find any reasons to keep going. I'll check back if any of this stuff gets addressed but I have my doubts.
gonna say it- FALL DAMAGE IN A GAME WHERE YOU ARE PRACTICALLY A DEMIGOD IS OBJECTIVELY ABYSMALLY BAD. We can turn into birds and nosedive straight into the ground and -magically- take NO damage. But the moment your human foot touches ground from anything higher than a 2ft jump, OOO BOI OUCH OWIE OOF
i agree 100% on all expect point nr.9, as melee ravanger, so many issues with melee that shouldn't be there. But hey they did improve on eg co-op dungeon after feedback in todays update. You have to post it in their d1scord page feedback section
Alright you convinced me to re-download it and try again. Hopefully this time it presents a better intro experience or something that hooks me into the world
Really good list of all the things that feel clunky right now. The game has so much good content on the way - I really hope they just drill down on the *feel* of moving, attacking, grappling, etc. If they do this game will stick around for a long time.
My solution for the Guild Alliance issue. Have guild Tiers. T1-The Alpha guilds, T2-Medium, T3-Small. Make it so that an Alliance can ONLY be made up of a 1x T1,T2,T3 guilds. Obviously, there would need to be some more thought out method to signify T1 vs T2 vs T3. As, what happens when a T3 becomes a T2 for example. But I'm not the dev, they can figure that out.
I think what they could do for smaller guilds is create smaller castles for those smaller guilds to interact with. Have a number cap. If the guild has less than 40 players they get to do castles. Make the rewards a bit smaller too. I think all content in the game should be available for everyone regardless of guilds. If they find a way to do that I think the game will be amazing.
The cash price for south america is horrible, here most things arent being sold and when they are it is very expensive or really cheap, here most blue traits are worth 10 lucent but a purple heavy attack is worth 2000. Most of people from here are creating NA characters only to farm and bring cash to SA
They need to reduce CC and balance weapons the weapons, also make them more compatible, i want a gane where every combination is viable and work fine, greatsword + bow, dagger + wand , greatdword + staff, shield + staff etc.
If I had 1 lucent for every time targeting for skill shots got stuck on terrain, then I'd have enough to fully gear both my characters and never have to engage with the lackluster endgame.
Proper user testing would have fixed all of these issues in Beta. What I find amazing is it's been live in South Korea for a while now. The graphics are great, and the game does have soul, but once again it's about implementation and live games being customer funded Gamma testing.
When i completed the main story i was like maybe the map will open up(since more then half the map is greyed out). It did not. This game is very small.
The mega guild system has been a problem in every territory MMO. It can't really be stopped they will collude outside of the game. The only way to address it is to undermine the advantages it provides. It blows my mind that we have been dealing with these mega guild issues since DAoC, Eve, Shadowbane, and now New World and games still release without even a basic consideration of MMO history.
3:18 I'm in the same boat. At times the issues are frustrating, but the game has potential, so I keep logging in. PvP is awful, both small scale, and mass PvP. In small scale, it's mostly a balance issue, where SnS/GS is tanky af, while scaling damage off of health, and having ability to stunlock and oneshot people. It has 2 stuns, on top of prone proc, bind, and pull/push from SnS. It's way too op. Also besides that one stone with 2 min cd, you have no cc breaks. Yeah, you can block, but even if you block 1 or 2 CCs, this class has another few hard CCs available to them, so you will get cced no matter what. It wouldn't be a problem if they were just an annoying CC tank, but the fact that they can burst you down, and often oneshot you with one combo is insane. In large scale, it's a design issue, at least around field bosses. The area where PvP is allowed is so small, where it's just a zerg vs zerg fest, where PvP always happens within the same area. The fact you can just enter the zone, fight someone, and then run back to safety is horrible. This needs to be a much bigger area, maybe even on the scale of Dominion events that happen in a whole zone on the map. It would be a better experience overall, with more strategy involved, as you can fight in different areas, maybe not as close to the boss. Clarity in PvP is also an issue. I often don't even see enemies, it's hard to distinguish them from the environment, and if you have health bars turned on for everyone, it's really A HUGE MESS, that makes it even worse. P2W - obviously, the fact that you can buy and fully trait your gear by spending real life money is awful, and it just makes it worse when gear matters so much (especially in PvP). As you mentioned, not a lot of content for "regular" guilds. But that also depends on the server you pick. I had a horrible experience for the first couple of weeks, as I was on a server dominated by 1 guild alliance (which had like 5-6 guilds), basically locking you out from any little content there is in the game. After transferring to a balanced server, it's been a much better experience, as you can contest bosses, and overall participate more, and have more fun. Combat, yep. I hated it way more during open beta, but after trying the game again now, I don't think it's horrible but those issues you listed are absolutely true, and infuriating at times.
It is pointless to play anything but GS/x if you're trying to get even somewhat high in arena. Putting diminishing returns on crowd control is fundamental to pvp in any game like this. It's not worth playing without this. You get knocked down for the combo that's going to global you, you use the little trinket stone, then the other GS charges you and does the same thing and you die. The targeting is terrible, hitting tab won't let me target people right in front of me a lot of the time when I jump off the platform or over the wall of the arena. There are soooo many balance issues it's like a practical joke or experiment to see if people will all switch to one class. Also and knocking people off the map to a pit of water that kills you as a mechanic is insane. I mean I guess it wasn't meant to be competitive in any way, and that's just what I am used to and find enjoyable.
Greatsword+Staff Greatsword+Daggers Greatsword+Shield Greatsword+Bow Shield+ Daggers Shield+Staff Shield+Bow Staff+Daggers Staff+Bow Bow+Daggers This is meta, and if you dont have these setups you will be eaten alive in pvp. I avoid pvp like the plague, and have not join a guild because of the fact i cant contribute much pvp wise, but mu build is amazing in PvE however while out at night expect to be killed 100+ times to meta unkillable builds with 18k hp.
Man, imagine this. Definitely never happening, but its fun to think. If ESO took all the content from their game and worked it all into Unreal Engine 5. and due to the new engine they could focus on giving the combat some weight with a new character model and animations. I don't think any other MMO would survive. Tab targeting just feels so wrong in 2024. I also thought of the perfect description for Throne and Lib's business model. "Diablo 4 Lite". Or "Diablo 4 monetization scaled back until everyone lets their guard down and take the playerbase to the cleaners when they are all invested and hooked"
Regardless of intention, the community finding the best way to overcome a situation is the devs responsbility. If the devs created an enviroment where super-guilds are the most optimal way to play the game, that is the devs responsbility not the communities.
All that is technical and balancing, what I see as the biggest problem is the economy and gear progression difficulty, it’s not explained well how important traits are and it feels terrible to get a bis purple drop only to realize you have to buy the rest of traits on the AH or wait for more duplicates to drop which can take months because your blue gear is significantly better. So your purple has to stay in your inventory until you can trait, which sucks ass.
due to the absolutely bad combat and there being not enough casual lifeskilling in the game I quit after reaching endgame. I don't see the game being anything for me in the long run.
Another big thing is when someone gets an eclipse, it sometimes disbands parties across the server and kicks them immediately out of dungeons. have wasted so much time because of this bug :/
I hit max level. I really enjoyed myself playing the game so far. I'm a pretty casual player but I like the game enough to throw them 50 bucks to act like I paid for the game. I bought the battle pass leveling pass a server transfer and still have some leftover. I don't care about being the best in these games. I'm not really into PVP so I have no desire to pay for gear. That's crazy to me why I even play the game. I feel like if you want to be the very best then this type of game isn't for you unless you want to spend money. But if you just like being in a really fun world with a lot of other people and you can make it a great time. It doesn't have to be the only game you ever play. The point now where I'll just hop on every once in awhile knock some shit out and get off. It's not really demanding anything of you. My current gear score is a little over 2,000. I still have like two or three green items I need to replace. I still have no desire to open my wallet. Games are what you make them. Don't turn them into a full-time job or a chore and they won't be.
@@zxcasdqwe33 that sounds good. I haven't even done most the PVE available to me yet. Although I will say one thing about modern MMOs that I can't stand is that no one wants to just learn shit together anymore. It's always know it or you're never getting invited to the groups. You have to sit there and watch fucking hours of UA-cam videos telling you how to do shit and it kind of takes away a lot of the magic. But whatever I get it if you're running it for your 50th time, you don't want to be dicking around.
Not attacking Hostile Guild has a sort of fix, Simply put in the ToS that WIN TRADING is NOT ALLOWED. That is how other games deal with it and they will get reported and banned... Collusion with enemy marked guilds should be taken seriously just like it is in other mmorpg titles.
As a casual PvE player going along with my friends, I haven’t had as much fun in an MMO in YEARS. I love the combat, the exploration and the dungeons. I’m very excited to see where it goes and what they add. We are only a couple weeks into the game lol. They are being very receptive to the community so I have hopes that some major changes come to the world boss loot system. But pvp is trash, and I mean in general, there’s never been a fun pvp in mmo’s. It’s for shitters who live off the meta and genuinely don’t have lives. It has NEVER been done well and it can’t be.
yeah the PvE is really the strong point of TL. In other hand the PvP remember me of WoW's PvP, a big ass meta MEME with bad scaling, exaggerated amounts of CC and brainless zergfests. I'll stay in the game cause the PvE so far is one of the best I've played in mmos.
Totally agree with the cons i love this game to but you are right as a mele i honestly want to change class just for how hard it is in pvp to keep up with running ppl its so frustrating i hate it
Thank you for putting forth the effort to re-review after the the rose colored glasses wore off. I bounced off this game pretty quick. It felt very mobile/cheap to me. I am grateful you are putting forth the effort to make the games you care about better instead of just posting a whiney bitch session for clicks. Thanks for all your hard work Peon, even in the games I'm not playing.
You didn't mention that if you're not interested in PvP this game does not have much to offer. The 6 dungeons on offer contain some trash mobs and 1 boss each, open world "dungeons" is a mobile-game-energy limited thing and 10 daily contracts should not be considered "content" at all. PS: It's a very good review nonetheless, I agree with everything.
I think the grappling hook is the worst part of the game or anytime they try and make you do platforming. Being a melee character literally feels like I'm just chasing people who are shooting me in the face with shit and I never reach them. Made me not want to engage in pvp at all
Man, how much strange did you pull in thailand? Assuming you're into that kind of thing, you must have been a trophy over there. I know off topic but that big head shot in the beginning kinda begs the question.
Not a solution but it is a work around. Should not lose health as a random player will be unaware how to avoid the damage while dropping in over the wall.
@@deathminder9206 I don't disagree but it's not hard to research something to learn little tips and tricks and this is a MMO it's all about what you know over the other guy that's gets you ahead.
Number 7 scares me a lot with all the complaints about stuns on melee chars. If they remove a lot of the CC on GS it may just outright kill the weapon and make it unplayable. Right now its only acceptable since you have so much to lock someone down. They also had a great patch today that rewards you for using the random dungeon finder, which players have been asking for to fix the issue of people being incentivized to only target farm thier weapon.
i am enjoying it for the fact it is free. Not sure what its like for others playing overseas but my single biggest complaint is teh impact of lag on gameplay is horrible. The morphs are horrible especially flying and grapple. Combat just feels really clunky in general and that is enhanced by the short melee range.
i'd ad the account limitations, game has 3 roles and u can only have 2 alts on same server, like, i can have an alt and farm lucent and enjoy a different play style, but i'd have to interact with a whole dif comunity and boss dinamics and whatnot. "but u can use anything on one character" i have 120hrs in and not a single ability is fully maxed out, i wouldn't recomend to any one rerolling in this game, after u recieve everything the game throws at you while lvling up, every upgrade is a pain. if i fully commited to healing its much faster to lvl up an alt if i wanna try out tank/melee dpsing
Man you were really spot on, but if someone that doesn't play the game watches the video they might get the wrong impression, yes there are a shit ton of things that need to be fixed, but at the same time the game is sti amazing, and one the things I love is the community, especially when you are in a organised guild, it is amazing
his impression is correct. Coming from the same server he is on that is the experience. It's full of mega alliances and there are others similar. It's not fun if you have zero chance of winning.
The new player experience for me was terrible. Theres so much going on and so many menus, buttons, and convoluted mechanics and hoops. All of these systems should only be introduced when you get further into the game. 2. The targeting is janky and the combat is weird. Targeting switch will prioritize further enemies than closer ones on enemies side to side. Its hard to read when you're about to take damage. The hitboxes arent clear and feel magnetic when enemies hit you.
Good review my only complaint is the grapple jump then fly then grapple land and repeat quests. Now this maybe a me only complaint because of my age (72) and health so Im a bit slow reflex wise, so the last few lvls Im having to grind out the exp. But over all I really like the game.
A lot of those were issues for me but when I went to a peaceful world boss and a mega guild activated the eclipse a bit before preventing anyone not part of the guilds from going to it I had to let the game go. Seems silly but its what stopped me from playing. Which is too bad because the game can be fun, way to grindy but fun. Would have been nice to play till poe2 comes out but thats alright.
I was happy to leave this week before the Halloween stuff came out because it might keep me in but I knew I was going to leave. While pvp mostly be your issues, mine was the design of dungeons and more importantly the reliance on wipe and reset. This made looking to do dungeons unfun. The entire dungeon running culture in the game is terrible. And it all stems in my opinion to one fact, there's no res or pick up feature in a dungeon. That is responsible for 98% of all toxicity of dungeons. They made toxicity a feature.
I been pretty much enjoying the game and I also agree that it needs a lot of fixes but out of all it's funny. Also I love to randomly morph with ppl lol
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All games should have 2 reviews:
1 - The OMG hype, honeymoon phase
2 - The played too much/no life mode after X hours
MortismalGaming does just that ;-)
Not a bad idea, I might take this approach for MMOs I continue to play into the hundreds of hours, it’s more content and although not every game will keep me playing that long your perspective is more balanced for sure, any game that’s given me a couple hundred hours of entertainment has something going for it, even if it’s got a bunch of issues.
@@TheLazyPeon That would be nice!
@@TheLazyPeon LazyPeon replied to me, achievement unlocked hehe :D -- hey man wanted to say great work on all videos and physical stuff been doing now awesome to see!
The breakdown of everything wrong with the combat is beautiful and only really possible by an actual player (not just a youtuber)
Not real player?? hes got 200+ hours get outta here.
dumb
I don't know why there's so many comments bashing him for providing honest feedback. Most of what he says is legit especially as it relates to the movement, targeting and usage of certain skills.
That doesn't make the game bad or not fun or not worth playing. He's simply making a case to what will make the game more enjoyable.
I personally fucking go livid when I try to dash forward but the cursor goes backwards. Not fun.
Most of what he mentions can be polished up and should be brought up to the developers.
All that's going to do is make an already awesome game better
Because the game is dying and bad. It already lost 40% of there players.
@@chester8459 every single game on the fucking planet dips in player retention over time.
@@JackoffeeTV Not that hard.
@@chester8459not that hard? this game cycle ended people is now logging in a off from dailies just like your wows ffxiv etc games, idk why u seem surprised, people quit lost ark once they reached T3
@@chester8459this game also has bots the amount of bots they are baning every couple days is insane
Even though I'm a PvE player and most of your comments are about PvP, I appreciate this video. You have given very specific changes that should be easy to implement. I think this shows that you like the game and put time and effort into coming up with these ideas. I'm really enjoying this game so far. Most of the things I hate about BDO are not in this game and many of the things I like about WoW and GW2 are in this game. I'd like to see 20-30 player raids like you mentioned and more developed NPC storylines to add to immersion. As an example, WoW has the Gadgetzan faction with its own lore and town designs. Also, I think your video prompted me to try the game so that is appreciated and I think NCSoft should pay attention to your feedback.
ironically the game is pretty enjoyable for a non-hardcore PvE player, and it's dogshit for PvP heads. The PvP is terrible, and I'm not taking p2w into this. It's just bad scaled, mitigation mechanics feels off, there's literally no skill involved just some weird RNG and stunlocks
healing dungeons in this game really opens your eyes to how stupid most people are because even at max level nearly all of my groups refused to block any of the BIG OBVIOUS ATTACKS
THIS!! i dont understand why people are so bad at blocking... There is a GIANT circle telling you when to block..
This is a solid complaint. As you pointed out, smaller guilds with 20 to 40 active players have barely any content left because of these mega guilds. For example, I can never participate in the Junobote world boss event, which is supposed to be peaceful. Instead, the zone shifts to PvP mode, and the top guild, along with its subsidiaries, blocks the entrance and kills everyone. It’s frustrating to see one guild, with all its allies, ruining the experience for everyone else.
It's the biggest issue I have with the game.
I noticed the most important slider was missing when i was creating my alt. I was confused because I remembered it was there in the beta so I was quite upset about it.
i am not playing the game. are you talking about boob or dong slider?
reason no play
I'm sure they'll add Foot Size back in. That's what you mean, right?
AGS makes everything 'all-ages friendly' and will censor as much as possible.
But the moment you want to buy currency, it’s easy AF.
The lack of boob slider made me and hundreds of my gooner friends quit this game. Disgusting.
You need better values then lol
@@emptyasmrman no you need better values.
this is mmobyte lol
Yeah the lack of character customize keeping me away. Cookie cutter characters 👎
These "global audience" appeasements always turn out to just annoy everyone.
What do they take western gamers for? Kotaku readers?
Quite insulting ngl.
I agree with every point you made & hopefully the game will continue to improve! Great video as always.
The most spot on TnL on UA-cam that finally someone that experienced the real end game and its pros and cons. Very well done and as someone in the same exact position in game as you, I agree with 100% of what you’ve said. I hope the devs listen. This has the potential to be a legendary game for years if managed correctly.
10:27 I guess a lot of people still doesn't know this but you can block your falling damage with Q, you don't need to glide from that grapple you can just press Q
My guild died a few days after launch. We barely have 5 online at one time and haven’t raided in weeks. Game is fun but the reliance on other people is what’s kinda killing it for me. The game is SO DEPENDENT on team play but it’s still a good game imo. Just want to play more things solo
That's fundamentally the issue of the game. When two alliances monopolize the end game. The people most interested in the game flock to them. While locking out the others from ever participating.
welp, it's an mmo
@@benjaherrera3299 This MMO shoves team play down your throat way more than any other I've ever played. I feel like it's just not really possible to play this game solo.
@@twlsrovrdaar i dont really get the point of soloing an mmo but hey do you. and how so? what content does the game gatekeep u from being solo?
@@twlsrovrdaar I love it when peaple are like I play MMO but I hate to interact whit other player.
like theres other games that way better on everything then a MMO (because it dont have to deal whit Network).
that said if the guild is to small talk whit the members that left and try and join a bigger one.
the wow guild I was in had a rolling aliance (and whit the aid of a few addon) more or less Cross guild communication whit a few other guilds so that when ever there was stuff that needed doing we could always scrape up enouth members between all the guilds to make it work.
that said Im not sure how good cross guild communication is in Throne and Liberty consider that Guild functionality have not really advanced a lot sins what it was when Wow launched in 2007-2008.
(like sure we got Guild halls and or Guild vs Guild Keeps/castle) but after that not really.
no real ability to link whit other guilds in a proper way (mega guild or alliances or what have you).
Guild ranks are still just a single Line whit maybe 10 ranks (one is the Guild master and only one can be the guild master so really 9 ranks)
(whit no way to communicate ranks outside of the guild).
(out guild had to set up its costume Guild rank structure shown whit ascii art through a MyRolePlay addon.
(this also through a lot of jank also let us show our Guild rank to other players but it was sort of Janky in that you had to input the rank as a name into a rank field manually.
(so if you had a event where you and other guild was holding a promotion even where someone whent up a rank it could take the addon 2 min to broadcast the uppdate to the other MyRolePlay user and we could see it).
I've put 170 hour into the game. You've hit the nail on the head for most of my gripes. It's a 7.5/10 game that I have a hard time putting down and if they fix most of these issues it's easily a 9.5/10
Very good points added for them to improve! Hope they listen and take notice of what you've just given them.
All of them are noticeable and disturbing the gameplay for me and probably everyone else!
Dude, im so proud of you man. bumbed into you on the streets of Zwolle couple years ago. you have done good so far. been following from the start of BDO days.
Keep up the grind ( personal and Game wise)
23: About devastating smash. I'm not sure why I haven't heard much compliant but I think body blocking/collision needs to be removed. It makes melee combat feel garbage and I can't count how many times I've used devastating smash into my charged combo and found myself on top of enemies due to collision, slide off, then slide out of range, and then be forced to recast. It's also TERRIBLE design that grapple NEEDS stamina. I was wondering why sometimes it simply does not work and later saw my stamina bar drain after grappling and connected the dots. I'm not sure if that only happens if you're in combat or take damage from falling and get put into "combat" but either way it should not require stamina under any circumstance when damn near everything wants to take from your one stamina bar. One more thing about collision I hate is when im in a dungeon and I'm casting my big damage... and then my tank or other party members runs into me and then proceedes to push me out of range.
Yeah collision definitely causing a lot of issues, weird that there’s literally a stat for it too
the movement, especially the morphing and grappling in this game feels like im an obese walrus dragging myself through shards of broken glass and rusty nails
13 is so counter intuitive. All your pointed out issues are 10/10. Love the game, hope they get on top of it. Range in general also feels like trash. (I know why they went with it) but it feels to forced.
There is a ton of content/modes coming for small, med groups also, so there is a lot to look forward to.
Removing sliders because of annoying useless people when the far majority want them is just cancer.
Tbh they need to make the chain lock on just supersize or something, even objects, npcs etc near them can literally throw you off to. The fact its in important content and forced is so ugh.
Hell if in the area it isn't killing you, or even just not working at all LOL, even when you do fly theres a pretty huge chance you get that issue where your flight mod T poses and you crash to the ground.
All of that is compounded when dropping off a 1' ledge kills you.. Who''s idiotic idea was that.
Also because of the super low pings in SK I bet they did not do any testing for how building around that would effect all of in global with even normal pings lol.
I've been enjoying the game but I found that evasion stacking makes PVP really unfun. In combination with CC having a percent hit chance (mentioned in the video), it turns a lot of fights into "who had better evade/hit RNG". Especially when your big powerful ability just misses and you can't do it again for 30 seconds.
I think there's a big issue with world boss loot being parts of armor sets needed for builds. You would need a guild to give you 3 of the same item just to get the set you need to be competitive.
T2 Gear it will change and will be lot easier u can get all bis from dungeon excl arch boss
Agree with those points, game is great, and could improve a lot with what you've pointed out.
Honestly really enjoy T&L and wouldn't have checked it out without your endorsement. Thanks LP!
One pretty simple thing I would love to see is some basic glow/sparkle effect on your armor/weapon when it is upgraded.
Can start with some basic glow on green items, heavy glow on blue items and glow and lightning effect on purple items.
This was a cool thing in the game called Last Chaos. You could upgrade your weapon to +15 in that game and it was glowing with lightning effects 🙂. When upgrading the armor, you got a fairy flying over your right shoulder that was glowing more the higher your upgraded weapon was.
So basically like lineage 2.
I was having an absolute blast playing Throne And Liberty despite the lack of a boob slider but the longer I played the more impactful many of the issues described here became for me. The one that killed it for me however was the lack of depth in non-combat activities. I'm a little spoiled by BDO I suppose but the Life Skills gameplay added so much depth to the game that I'd often do just that stuff and not engage in any combat during a session. Farming, fishing, gathering, trading, building my own ship, etc. There was so much to do. Throne and Liberty by contrast feels like it could have been a mobile game. The only thing you really do is fight and everything else is geared towards making you do bigger numbers when you fight. That got boring quickly. Add in all the issues with the actual combat gameplay, the shallow endgame experience, and all the Guild BS and I couldn't find any reasons to keep going. I'll check back if any of this stuff gets addressed but I have my doubts.
Great catches. They all seem small when you mention it outloud, but combined together in game in a daily basis it really gets to you lol
gonna say it- FALL DAMAGE IN A GAME WHERE YOU ARE PRACTICALLY A DEMIGOD IS OBJECTIVELY ABYSMALLY BAD.
We can turn into birds and nosedive straight into the ground and -magically- take NO damage. But the moment your human foot touches ground from anything higher than a 2ft jump, OOO BOI OUCH OWIE OOF
…..what a weird take
Here one Cool tips for you,you can use block to mitigate fall damage. you are welcome
since u can just "parry" fall damage I thinks its fair
I remember when you were in the UK, now you look like the characters you play, well done. On my way on a different path asap.
i agree 100% on all expect point nr.9, as melee ravanger, so many issues with melee that shouldn't be there. But hey they did improve on eg co-op dungeon after feedback in todays update.
You have to post it in their d1scord page feedback section
I hope they watch this and actually fix these things. Great call outs. I've personally run into literally everything listed here.
Alright you convinced me to re-download it and try again. Hopefully this time it presents a better intro experience or something that hooks me into the world
Keep going with hat video style! I was sceptic for a bit but now enjoy it much more!
Really good list of all the things that feel clunky right now. The game has so much good content on the way - I really hope they just drill down on the *feel* of moving, attacking, grappling, etc. If they do this game will stick around for a long time.
My solution for the Guild Alliance issue. Have guild Tiers. T1-The Alpha guilds, T2-Medium, T3-Small. Make it so that an Alliance can ONLY be made up of a 1x T1,T2,T3 guilds. Obviously, there would need to be some more thought out method to signify T1 vs T2 vs T3. As, what happens when a T3 becomes a T2 for example. But I'm not the dev, they can figure that out.
I think what they could do for smaller guilds is create smaller castles for those smaller guilds to interact with. Have a number cap. If the guild has less than 40 players they get to do castles. Make the rewards a bit smaller too. I think all content in the game should be available for everyone regardless of guilds. If they find a way to do that I think the game will be amazing.
The cash price for south america is horrible, here most things arent being sold and when they are it is very expensive or really cheap, here most blue traits are worth 10 lucent but a purple heavy attack is worth 2000. Most of people from here are creating NA characters only to farm and bring cash to SA
Debuff by numbers is how Albion solved it, it creates bomb squads but for most part yea it kinda solves mass zergs.
What do you mean by bomb squad?
They need to reduce CC and balance weapons the weapons, also make them more compatible, i want a gane where every combination is viable and work fine, greatsword + bow, dagger + wand , greatdword + staff, shield + staff etc.
Cheers for the shout-out mate VG 4 lyfe.
If I had 1 lucent for every time targeting for skill shots got stuck on terrain, then I'd have enough to fully gear both my characters and never have to engage with the lackluster endgame.
Proper user testing would have fixed all of these issues in Beta. What I find amazing is it's been live in South Korea for a while now. The graphics are great, and the game does have soul, but once again it's about implementation and live games being customer funded Gamma testing.
When i completed the main story i was like maybe the map will open up(since more then half the map is greyed out).
It did not. This game is very small.
For now.
The fact that you can tp to any corner of the map doesn't help with this either.
The mega guild system has been a problem in every territory MMO. It can't really be stopped they will collude outside of the game. The only way to address it is to undermine the advantages it provides.
It blows my mind that we have been dealing with these mega guild issues since DAoC, Eve, Shadowbane, and now New World and games still release without even a basic consideration of MMO history.
Excellent analysis man. Very well done.
They need to add diminishing returns on the same type of CCs so u cant just get stunned into oblivion
The glide zoom problem is actually a toggle in the settings, you can turn it off and ya it's pretty annoying that it's on by default!
3:18 I'm in the same boat. At times the issues are frustrating, but the game has potential, so I keep logging in.
PvP is awful, both small scale, and mass PvP.
In small scale, it's mostly a balance issue, where SnS/GS is tanky af, while scaling damage off of health, and having ability to stunlock and oneshot people. It has 2 stuns, on top of prone proc, bind, and pull/push from SnS. It's way too op. Also besides that one stone with 2 min cd, you have no cc breaks. Yeah, you can block, but even if you block 1 or 2 CCs, this class has another few hard CCs available to them, so you will get cced no matter what.
It wouldn't be a problem if they were just an annoying CC tank, but the fact that they can burst you down, and often oneshot you with one combo is insane.
In large scale, it's a design issue, at least around field bosses. The area where PvP is allowed is so small, where it's just a zerg vs zerg fest, where PvP always happens within the same area. The fact you can just enter the zone, fight someone, and then run back to safety is horrible.
This needs to be a much bigger area, maybe even on the scale of Dominion events that happen in a whole zone on the map. It would be a better experience overall, with more strategy involved, as you can fight in different areas, maybe not as close to the boss.
Clarity in PvP is also an issue. I often don't even see enemies, it's hard to distinguish them from the environment, and if you have health bars turned on for everyone, it's really A HUGE MESS, that makes it even worse.
P2W - obviously, the fact that you can buy and fully trait your gear by spending real life money is awful, and it just makes it worse when gear matters so much (especially in PvP).
As you mentioned, not a lot of content for "regular" guilds. But that also depends on the server you pick.
I had a horrible experience for the first couple of weeks, as I was on a server dominated by 1 guild alliance (which had like 5-6 guilds), basically locking you out from any little content there is in the game. After transferring to a balanced server, it's been a much better experience, as you can contest bosses, and overall participate more, and have more fun.
Combat, yep. I hated it way more during open beta, but after trying the game again now, I don't think it's horrible but those issues you listed are absolutely true, and infuriating at times.
It is pointless to play anything but GS/x if you're trying to get even somewhat high in arena. Putting diminishing returns on crowd control is fundamental to pvp in any game like this. It's not worth playing without this. You get knocked down for the combo that's going to global you, you use the little trinket stone, then the other GS charges you and does the same thing and you die. The targeting is terrible, hitting tab won't let me target people right in front of me a lot of the time when I jump off the platform or over the wall of the arena. There are soooo many balance issues it's like a practical joke or experiment to see if people will all switch to one class. Also and knocking people off the map to a pit of water that kills you as a mechanic is insane. I mean I guess it wasn't meant to be competitive in any way, and that's just what I am used to and find enjoyable.
Greatsword+Staff
Greatsword+Daggers
Greatsword+Shield
Greatsword+Bow
Shield+ Daggers
Shield+Staff
Shield+Bow
Staff+Daggers
Staff+Bow
Bow+Daggers
This is meta, and if you dont have these setups you will be eaten alive in pvp. I avoid pvp like the plague, and have not join a guild because of the fact i cant contribute much pvp wise, but mu build is amazing in PvE however while out at night expect to be killed 100+ times to meta unkillable builds with 18k hp.
Man, imagine this. Definitely never happening, but its fun to think. If ESO took all the content from their game and worked it all into Unreal Engine 5. and due to the new engine they could focus on giving the combat some weight with a new character model and animations. I don't think any other MMO would survive. Tab targeting just feels so wrong in 2024.
I also thought of the perfect description for Throne and Lib's business model. "Diablo 4 Lite". Or "Diablo 4 monetization scaled back until everyone lets their guard down and take the playerbase to the cleaners when they are all invested and hooked"
Regardless of intention, the community finding the best way to overcome a situation is the devs responsbility.
If the devs created an enviroment where super-guilds are the most optimal way to play the game, that is the devs responsbility not the communities.
All that is technical and balancing, what I see as the biggest problem is the economy and gear progression difficulty, it’s not explained well how important traits are and it feels terrible to get a bis purple drop only to realize you have to buy the rest of traits on the AH or wait for more duplicates to drop which can take months because your blue gear is significantly better. So your purple has to stay in your inventory until you can trait, which sucks ass.
They really went all in on join a mass guild or suffer.
As a fan of PvP mmos this is the mmo I’ve been waiting for a long long time love it
Cant wait for your New World video!
Limited to 6 party teams.
Good.
_I would like being able to make larger groups but continue to only effect your party of 6_
Some gear is practically impossible to obtain, especially for someone in a small guild of 10 or so friends. Makes the late game grind feel pointless.
You miss the most important feature missing, you can't play as Dwarf 😢, dwarfs nps looks Soo freaking good
Yea it has to be something made before the games development. Because it adds 2 new variations to every wearable item
due to the absolutely bad combat and there being not enough casual lifeskilling in the game I quit after reaching endgame. I don't see the game being anything for me in the long run.
Agree with you the lifeskilling is lacking, forgot to mention it in the vid :/
@@TheLazyPeon playing this game unironically made me want to go back to osrs
The abyssal weekly contract limit is killing it for me, let it be unlimited where I run out of points and have to farm them again
It's amalgamation of all good things of a MMO in my opinion.
Their are better games but being basically the only modern cross-platform MMO. Easy Win.
Another big thing is when someone gets an eclipse, it sometimes disbands parties across the server and kicks them immediately out of dungeons. have wasted so much time because of this bug :/
it was fixed
@@Yami69 Wooo!! tg sorry didnt know
I wiped my party more than once in Death Abyss cause i strategic rush backwards for no fucking reason.
I hit max level. I really enjoyed myself playing the game so far. I'm a pretty casual player but I like the game enough to throw them 50 bucks to act like I paid for the game. I bought the battle pass leveling pass a server transfer and still have some leftover. I don't care about being the best in these games. I'm not really into PVP so I have no desire to pay for gear. That's crazy to me why I even play the game. I feel like if you want to be the very best then this type of game isn't for you unless you want to spend money. But if you just like being in a really fun world with a lot of other people and you can make it a great time. It doesn't have to be the only game you ever play. The point now where I'll just hop on every once in awhile knock some shit out and get off. It's not really demanding anything of you. My current gear score is a little over 2,000. I still have like two or three green items I need to replace. I still have no desire to open my wallet. Games are what you make them. Don't turn them into a full-time job or a chore and they won't be.
Just come back in December and and some major content will come pve wise.
@@zxcasdqwe33 that sounds good. I haven't even done most the PVE available to me yet. Although I will say one thing about modern MMOs that I can't stand is that no one wants to just learn shit together anymore. It's always know it or you're never getting invited to the groups. You have to sit there and watch fucking hours of UA-cam videos telling you how to do shit and it kind of takes away a lot of the magic. But whatever I get it if you're running it for your 50th time, you don't want to be dicking around.
Your videos are always so heartfelt and fun at the same time! Thank you for your ability to bring joy and smiles into our lives!🍪🌡🐭
I been sownding $$$ in the game. The population is great. Hopenit stays that way. I am afraid to lose my money but pvp is fun.
Not attacking Hostile Guild has a sort of fix, Simply put in the ToS that WIN TRADING is NOT ALLOWED.
That is how other games deal with it and they will get reported and banned... Collusion with enemy marked guilds should be taken seriously just like it is in other mmorpg titles.
Welcome to politics based game
Also irl politics, cuz monies
I agree with a lot of the points you made. Throne and Liberty is really fun and feels more mmo then alot of mmo's these days.
Im really having fun with this mmo not rushing thing just playing in top 10 guild. The event dungeon is really cool ✔️
As a casual PvE player going along with my friends, I haven’t had as much fun in an MMO in YEARS. I love the combat, the exploration and the dungeons. I’m very excited to see where it goes and what they add. We are only a couple weeks into the game lol. They are being very receptive to the community so I have hopes that some major changes come to the world boss loot system. But pvp is trash, and I mean in general, there’s never been a fun pvp in mmo’s. It’s for shitters who live off the meta and genuinely don’t have lives. It has NEVER been done well and it can’t be.
yeah the PvE is really the strong point of TL. In other hand the PvP remember me of WoW's PvP, a big ass meta MEME with bad scaling, exaggerated amounts of CC and brainless zergfests.
I'll stay in the game cause the PvE so far is one of the best I've played in mmos.
Totally agree with the cons i love this game to but you are right as a mele i honestly want to change class just for how hard it is in pvp to keep up with running ppl its so frustrating i hate it
13:52 THIS. Kinda grinds my gears.
Thank you for putting forth the effort to re-review after the the rose colored glasses wore off. I bounced off this game pretty quick. It felt very mobile/cheap to me. I am grateful you are putting forth the effort to make the games you care about better instead of just posting a whiney bitch session for clicks.
Thanks for all your hard work Peon, even in the games I'm not playing.
Bro truuuuuue. MMORPG not having RP walk is a huge red flag
If they can adress all the issues you mentionned, I would be in heaven. Having a bloody damn good time with this game
You didn't mention that if you're not interested in PvP this game does not have much to offer. The 6 dungeons on offer contain some trash mobs and 1 boss each, open world "dungeons" is a mobile-game-energy limited thing and 10 daily contracts should not be considered "content" at all.
PS: It's a very good review nonetheless, I agree with everything.
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I think the grappling hook is the worst part of the game or anytime they try and make you do platforming. Being a melee character literally feels like I'm just chasing people who are shooting me in the face with shit and I never reach them. Made me not want to engage in pvp at all
Everything mentioned in this video seems like it’ll be handled in future updates. I’ll share this video on Twitter to T&L
Man, how much strange did you pull in thailand? Assuming you're into that kind of thing, you must have been a trophy over there. I know off topic but that big head shot in the beginning kinda begs the question.
Didnt spend too long before the novelty wore off
This is how games should be reviewed
The solution to losing your health @10:39 is block right before you hit the ground you won't take fall damage
Not a solution but it is a work around. Should not lose health as a random player will be unaware how to avoid the damage while dropping in over the wall.
@@deathminder9206 I don't disagree but it's not hard to research something to learn little tips and tricks and this is a MMO it's all about what you know over the other guy that's gets you ahead.
@@deathminder9206 use the morph.. thats what its for.. why would you ever take fall damage...??
There is Stun Resist Stats and Evasion Stats.
also the block skill. if enemy use this stats or time the Q block your stun wont go off.
And a potion, that removes cc if all else fails
Number 7 scares me a lot with all the complaints about stuns on melee chars. If they remove a lot of the CC on GS it may just outright kill the weapon and make it unplayable. Right now its only acceptable since you have so much to lock someone down.
They also had a great patch today that rewards you for using the random dungeon finder, which players have been asking for to fix the issue of people being incentivized to only target farm thier weapon.
when ur experienced enough dodging or q blocking gs stuns is quite easy and predictable, people hate it and yet they forget how stupid rogue in wow is
It’s almost like, there’s potions to remove cc
Found the gs/dag player
@@emptyasmrman Where are they?
Heal in the guild hall :) there's a full heal in a couple of places when playing arena
i am enjoying it for the fact it is free. Not sure what its like for others playing overseas but my single biggest complaint is teh impact of lag on gameplay is horrible. The morphs are horrible especially flying and grapple. Combat just feels really clunky in general and that is enhanced by the short melee range.
It's considered a Red Flag BUT aye, it has the console community with it.
i'd ad the account limitations, game has 3 roles and u can only have 2 alts on same server, like, i can have an alt and farm lucent and enjoy a different play style, but i'd have to interact with a whole dif comunity and boss dinamics and whatnot. "but u can use anything on one character" i have 120hrs in and not a single ability is fully maxed out, i wouldn't recomend to any one rerolling in this game, after u recieve everything the game throws at you while lvling up, every upgrade is a pain. if i fully commited to healing its much faster to lvl up an alt if i wanna try out tank/melee dpsing
Are you ok mate? you look unwell... take care Peon.
Man you were really spot on, but if someone that doesn't play the game watches the video they might get the wrong impression, yes there are a shit ton of things that need to be fixed, but at the same time the game is sti amazing, and one the things I love is the community, especially when you are in a organised guild, it is amazing
his impression is correct. Coming from the same server he is on that is the experience. It's full of mega alliances and there are others similar. It's not fun if you have zero chance of winning.
My guild just teleported me to Saurodana Island... no whale required
Thank you Peon. Unfortunately they will change nothing into the positive seen in KR.
The new player experience for me was terrible. Theres so much going on and so many menus, buttons, and convoluted mechanics and hoops. All of these systems should only be introduced when you get further into the game.
2. The targeting is janky and the combat is weird. Targeting switch will prioritize further enemies than closer ones on enemies side to side. Its hard to read when you're about to take damage. The hitboxes arent clear and feel magnetic when enemies hit you.
Good review my only complaint is the grapple jump then fly then grapple land and repeat quests. Now this maybe a me only complaint because of my age (72) and health so Im a bit slow reflex wise, so the last few lvls Im having to grind out the exp. But over all I really like the game.
A lot of those were issues for me but when I went to a peaceful world boss and a mega guild activated the eclipse a bit before preventing anyone not part of the guilds from going to it I had to let the game go. Seems silly but its what stopped me from playing. Which is too bad because the game can be fun, way to grindy but fun. Would have been nice to play till poe2 comes out but thats alright.
I was happy to leave this week before the Halloween stuff came out because it might keep me in but I knew I was going to leave. While pvp mostly be your issues, mine was the design of dungeons and more importantly the reliance on wipe and reset. This made looking to do dungeons unfun. The entire dungeon running culture in the game is terrible. And it all stems in my opinion to one fact, there's no res or pick up feature in a dungeon. That is responsible for 98% of all toxicity of dungeons. They made toxicity a feature.
Server : Chianghone
Guild Leader of Guild : The Liberators
This creates overall balance.
People have realized its a PvP game.
The PC community... usually doesn't side with PvP games.
I been pretty much enjoying the game and I also agree that it needs a lot of fixes but out of all it's funny. Also I love to randomly morph with ppl lol