Woodworking solvents and thinners- What you need to know.
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- Опубліковано 16 січ 2020
- Don't worry, this tutorial will explain what to use and when.
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I am a Chemist. If you're looking for some technical nit picking, that ain't gonna happen. As always, well done and well researched.
I absolutely love these educational one subject vids! They are an excellent source for when I come up against a certain problem in the build of a project.
You forgot about vinegar which softens regular wood glue and hide glue. Important to know if you are restoring an antique.
Hide glue is best softened with heat.
Solvents, along with finishes is a major headache to figure out, thanks for making it simple!
If you're getting a headache, best open the window before you pass out!
You don't need all this stuff in the shop. Most of it is just used to cook meth.
Thanks for emphasizing safety again. You've really been championing it lately. It's much appreciated. It's worth noting that Xylene in particular is a chemical that woodworkers should protect themselves from exposure to. Xylene falls into a rare set of chemicals called ototoxins. Ototoxins are chemicals that damage hearing. When exposed to high levels of xylene, hearing damage due to high levels of noise is worse than when just exposed to the noise itself.
What on earth? This just blew my mind for the day, I've never heard of such a concept! Thank you for sharing!
Huh... what... I didn't hear what you said! Please speak up!!!
'and who cares if the grandkids catch on fire'......ROFL!! Thank you for a great and badly needed video!
It's like you've been reading my mind lately with the new videos. Really been appreciating them. Excellent explanations!
This is exactly the information I was looking for. Complete and succinct as always. Thanks!
Damn I’ve needed this video for 20 years. Keep these coming! I think you are the only woodworking youtuber who has these kinds of in depth videos.
I watch a lot of educational videos, and I always look forward to yours the most. They are clear, concise, a immediately useful. Thanks James!
Translation for those of us in the UK:
mineral spirits = white spirit
denatured alcohol = methylated spirits
Great, thanks. So what’s naptha in Australasian, anyone? I thought it was the wine country north of San Francisco.
Also, denatured alcohol=ethanol...
Mostly correct but you can also get denatured alcohol without the dye. Its 100% alcohol and you need a permit from HMRC (customs) to buy it as they wan't to know that you aren't cutting it for "recreational" use
What an incredible resource this channel is.
Terrific video. I knew much of this but it took forever to slowly piece it together from many sources. Wish this video had been around five years ago!
There's a really good book on this subject which I think you may have referenced in the past, "Understanding Wood Finishing" by Bob Flexner. It tells the whats and the whys of finishing. It also offers lots of tips on the best choices of finish, how to apply them correctly, and what to do to fix problems. I always dreaded this part of woodworking until I read this book. Thanks for the video and a thumbs up to crush a troll.
ordered book Thanks
@@markhengartner9448 You're most welcome. You'll like it, I promise.
I've been ovewhelmed with all the options out there and haven't absorbed any of the info I've gotten before now. I still won't remember it, but now I have this video bookmarked to watch that covers it all. Thanks.
This video was so helpful and informative. Thank you so much. You covered a lot of products very quickly ! You really know your stuff.
James, thank you for that - I'm relatively new to woodworking and the last time I went looking to buy some terps I was greeted with a baffling array of cartons, bottles and jars. This has answered a lot of questions for me.
The video I always wanted you to make before I knew I wanted you to make it....Nicely done! I have looked at those cans many times in my life and wondered what they all were for...now I know. Thanks!
Well Done!! I spent my entire 45 year career in the manufacture of industrial and trade sale coatings, selling through commercial distribution all varieties of organic solvents including the ones you highlighted in your video. Your analysis was spot on! Well Done!!
This is why I love this channel...Very informative video!
Learned a lot...I’m marking this video for continued reference.
Thanks!
Well done James. Thanks for sharing this.
Thanks, Stumpy. You answered a few of questions I have wondered about. Very informative.
Thanks so much; you're always a good resource to refine or refresh memory of woodworking information
Really appreciate this info!! The variety of products on the shelves of my local big box diy store has always been baffeling!!
Always a wealth of knowledge stumpy
Great video James, thanks a lot. I also use Isopropyl alcohol for clean grease, and a lot of acetone for clean natural breeze brushes after apply poly. I hope you recover soon and the pain of your hand pass quickly
Great lesson James! Thank you.
Excellent tutorial James. I just wish I could listen as fast as you were presenting information. I'll watch it again. Thanks.
excellent video..thx for untangling the subject !!! very informative
Thank you. This was very helpful.
A BIG THANK YOU for telling me paint thinner and mineral spirits are the same thing! Okay, time to watch the rest of the video!
danielszemborski while they are essentially the same thing the paint thinner can have extra additives in it other than just mineral spirits. Something i had found out the hard way while using mineral spirits in the cleaning of grime on old machinery. Mineral spirits will not strip paint off of the surfaces, however i grabbed a can of paint thinner because it was all the store had at the time and I needed some more mineral spirits. Well sadly I have some painting to do because the paint thinner absolutely ate through the paint like it was nothing.
@@dylansolis9089 Thank you!
Super helpful reference information. Thank you.
"They mix in lots of poison to avoid the tax man." Alas, I couldn't convince them that apple pie spice is poison. Not even with the cyanide in the pits!
Another very well done video.
The best !! Great explanation
Great information! Much appreciated.
This is a great video. Thanks!
Had to listen to this more than once... good thing I like the sound of your voice, Stumpy ;-)
Thanks, I needed that , there is a lot of good information
Thanks for the tips!
Good info. Thank you, sir!
Thanks. This is very useful information to have!
Great info. Forgot everything you said after the video. Info overload. But now I know why I get that oily film with mineral spirits.
Complete, helped a lot
You do need to keep acetone on hand for the better half. Otherwise, metho, turps and a wet rag seem to cover most of my needs. I have found it more useful to have a range of different adhesives cluttering up my shelves than a range of things that half of will evaporate before I can use them again. Cheers John
great video and I learned a ton. Thank you for the information.
Thank you for this!
Great info. I would add the need for safe storage (away from heat) and proper rag disposal which improper care leads to more shop fires then realized None of these chemicals should be used without a full understanding of the dangers and cautions needed for safe use.
U rock, James!
I came into this video not expecting to learn much, but came away realizing that I don't know my naphtha from my xylol.
Thanks for the great videos!
I worked for a plastics manufacturer that produced Bose CD players 20 years ago. Those used channeled sound waves through the plastic housing to "enhance" the sound. Part of that channel had to be blocked off to direct sound but couldn't be molded that way. We had to insert a plastic "wall" and squirt MEK from a syringe down each side. 5 seconds later, the two plastics have been "welded" together. It's powerful shit!
Thanks for the tips
Thank you - very useful info.
Excellent information!
Thank you !
Great subject !
Great video, thanks!! We used to use MEK to clean printer plattens. It would clean the rubber platten without causing damage. (some cleaners will disolve the rubber, other cleaners will cause the rubber to harden) so... that is what I use to clean the feed rollers in my DeWALT planer.
MEK also softens and dissolves many plastics -- the goo can then be used to buildup and glue plastics back together.
Very informative tutorial. Thank you. I use three solvents. Mostly Acetone as it is good for drying things, removes most sticky stuff, and I do a lot of work with Epoxy. The other two I just looked up as a result of watching this. Interlux 333 is the go to paint thinner and it is naptha and kerosene which might explain why I find it leaves a bit of oily surface and is a bit undesirable for wiping down before painting. Interlux 216 was recommended by them for that and it is mostly Xylene and it just awful to work with without a mask even on my boat which is out in the good old fresh air. Had to buy a good respirator. My boat is 36 feet and all wood so I do a lot of painting. The epoxy is to glue it back together.
Acetone is also useful to remove or clean up superglue or CA glue.
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Acetone is worth its weight in gold when you’ve glued your fingers together with super glue. DAMHIKT.
it also cleans up uncured silicone very well
I actually use mineral spirits as opposed to, say, acetone or lacquer thinner, prior to applying T9 to my tablesaw because it dries slowly, I live in a VERY high humidity area and rust is continuous battle just because the air is so damp
Thank you very much for your detailed explanation.
I would love to know if you have a home mode recipes for sealing woodwork outdoors
Xylene/Xylenol is good for thinning epoxy and epoxy paints. It will also slow the epoxy curing.
Mineral spirits for general use; denatured alcohol for cleaning non porous surfaces or shellac; xylene for cleaning ink (including sharpies) and goo. I only use the rest if an adhesive calls for it in cleanup (I have a marine glue that needs mek, for example).
Good content, thanks!
Thank you 👍
I use Isopropanol for cleaning grease and raising the grain on wood surfaces before sanding the last passages with the fine sanding papers and a lot of other things. I really recommend trying it then it isn’t harmful like other solvents. Hospital’s also use it for disinfect operation rooms and so.
I use just acetone and paint thinner in my shop. And I wear gloves and keep the area well ventilated.
D.N.A is great for cleaning up epoxy messes also
MEK is also a solvent cement for some plastics. It basically softens and welds the parts together.
It's also fantastic for causing extreme headaches and nausea in enclosed areas. Which is why I store mine in the shed!
MEK is also used heavily in the metal finishing industry to clean metal before applying paint or anti-corrosion films, but yeah, it is NOT good to inhale. You must use a respirator when using MEK, and it must have a vapor cartridge. Regular woodshop dust filters won't do. It works really well, but it's one of the most hazardous chemicals available in the hardware store. Be safe if you're going to use this stuff.
Good info Bud👍
I also use isopropyl for cleaning surfaces before applying decals or decal like things
I made a long comment on you video "what to do if your finish is illegal" and provided some addition advice on methods to determine the actual products in each product. So read that comment or check out the MSDS or SDS for each product to determine basic ingredients in each product. A lot of products can no longer be determined by the name of the product on the container.
A lot to remember but great.
Very informative thanks.
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Thanks for sharing that
Good stuff.
Great review cause I'm going through this my self, but it would also be nice to had a pdf review or matrix to re review or place in shop- good job most excellent review. But tip of the iceberg!
Thanks... nice!
As usual thanks for the well presented information, on this important topic. I'm no chemist but I do use solvants like all hobbyist. Like you I assumed acetone was dangerous stuff; when I smelled the stuff I felt like my brain was melting. It seems acetone is the safest solvent in your collection. The greatest risk is that of it's flammability. The following is from the Wikipedia entry on acetone:
Basic chemistry: like dissolves like. Polar solvents (e.g. alcohols) will dissolve/mix with polar materials. Which is why alcohols will dissolve/clean polyvinyl acetate (PVA) glue.
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Acetone is useful as a residue-free final cleaner. It also dissolves most glues, including PVA wood glue. It's also a great way to clean up old silicone oil (furniture polish) that can cause fish-eye. Isopropyl alcohol (rubbing alcolhol - in pharmacy) is also a good residue-free solvent, and very cheap.
A note for CA residents: real mineral spirits is not illegal, except in the Southern Los Angeles Air Quality District. Big Box stores just don't bother to stock it so they don't have to manage different inventory across the state. You can still get the real stuff in local hardware stores. Yes, there's a difference, sometimes the "mineral spirits substitute" doesn't mix properly into some finishes. YMMV
I wonder why its illegal? Is it to stop people committing DIY in their weekends.
@@spudpud-T67 It's because of air-quality laws in the LA area, which has unique smog problems. Solvents are high enough in VOC's to trigger the strict local laws.
@@sbvera13 I would assume that they have banned all non electric transport in the area too. Or would that be addressing the elephant in the room.
Thanks. Now that's all cleared up. Don't drink the denatured alcohol! Got it!
Great review. Would you have a "cheat sheet' to print off?
Using Cyanoacrylates (CA) glue on wood models, helpfull to find Acetone without a child proof cap when my fingers are stuck. : )
Before gluing your fingers together, take a screw driver and just pry off the safety ring.
@@allanwolfe6071 Yes. I hate admitting defeat before I begin 🤣.
Whoa Had to watch this one twice
Damn, I learned something!
useful. thanks.
This video is going to a special playlist that I consult whenever I'm in an aisle and have no idea what I'm doing.
Like your video on solvents. A chart would be nice. Make one put it on your site. I will buy one.
I got some Acetone once because I bought wood filler that was a bit to dry and the de-stuctions called for acetone to thin. I for get what brand it was but had to get the door I was restoring done it seemed to work like the filler said and the product was finished as expected.
Acetone can also remove dried latex paints
Toluene has a cousin everyone knows, and will put a big bang into what was your new shop - trinitrotoluene - or TNT. Fun stuff!
dont tell me.. you react nitric acid with toluene to get tnt.
C7H5N3O6 Trinitrotoluene
Hey I love your videos can you tell me what the best way to match stain is because I have to build refrigerator panels and I want to match them to my cabinets thank you
Great video! What could take old varnish from an old banister?
good stuff
I keep 90% isopropyl alcohol in the shop. Great for final hand cleaning. Cleans up wet epoxy and CA glue.
Ouch. That was way to much information. I am amazed at how much you know every time I watch. Thanks for sharing
Acetone is a universal cleaner in my shop; just know how it reacts/interacts because it’s strong. Xylene can also thin epoxies just know it increases the cure time. I started in an industrial shop do stronger was better; what I used stuck with me. I’ve only recently got into more mellow solvents. I will say we did use both ethyl and isopropyl alcohols, no denatured as curtain things had to be USP compliment. I never drank either but noticed both were nicer to work with then denatured alcohol; I’m not sure the additive that irritates me but it does more than any other.