Kohler flush valve 87998 (87112, 85212) replacement
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- Опубліковано 30 жов 2017
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Description and example of replacing a Kohler flush valve and fill tube. This flush valve model number is 87998, 87112, or 85212, and is used in Kohler Gabrielle, Santa Rosa, Kathryn, and other toilets. - Навчання та стиль
Hats off to whoever designed this. Amazing frustration.
This video needs to be at the top of the search results.
Nobody is going to say anything about how nice this guys voice is? And the olives oil trick is gold to
Installed this today, part # 87998. Ok I shouted some choice words at times. I soaked the gasket for 10 minutes in hot water and applied olive oil to top and bottom surfaces. Still couldn't apply enough force to set it fully. Tried using a tennis ball, no bueno, only could turn slightly. Tried about 4 times and failed.
Took a break and read someone suggested doing it in increments and waiting (maybe 30 min.) so that the gasket could slowly compress. Did this 2 times, each time was able to turn it about 1/4" or so. On the third time in this incremental attempt, I donned a leather work glove on my weak side hand to press down on the bottom part towards the tank bottom and used my strong side hand to turn it. Surprisingly it turned into final position relatively easy. I checked to ensure the 3 tabs were against the underside of the lip of the tank and holding it in place.
Try this incremental approach and be patient, it worked for me. Not sure if the olive oil or hot water soak worked but if all else fails use it.
The tip of putting olive oil on the seal is GOLD!!! I was so frustrated by this project and that saved me. Thank you!!!
Great video! The olive oil was very helpful.
Okay if you’re still struggling to compress the gasket enough (which we were) here was our solution. We wrapped the gasket in a rag (so it’s surface wouldn’t be scratched) then placed it between two blocks of wood. We compressed it, tightly, in a vice and left it over night. That plus the oil was the key.
THANK YOU SO VERY VERY MUCH! you are my favorite person on earth today! I cannot express how much I appreciate that you took the time to make this video for all of us. ps...contrary to what a few others are commenting, I’d like to mention that I am so pleased that you did not do this in the actual toilet tank as I would not have been able to see clearly in such a confined space. Taking the time to make this cardboard cut out set up made it extremely clear. Thank you!
THANK YOU! I went to three big box hardware stores describing my problem and no one could help. Finally, one said, 'Search UA-cam' - and here you are! Worked liked a champ!
Olive oil worked perfectly, after many to get it too seat I turned to UA-cam and you saved me sir thanks very much!!!!!
Thank you for providing this! The cardboard template was perfect and enabled me to see exactly what I needed to do to replace. With your help the job took me about 5 minutes.
You are a genius and to be highly commended for your excellent, succinct video. The old gasket was obviously deteriorating. I had never before worked on a one-piece toilet and had no idea what to do. I watched the video twice and removed the old flush valve by sticking a finger into the gasket and prying it out, then twisted the now very loose valve to remove it. I clicked on the link to your Amazon affiliate, ordered the new part, and received it in 2 days with Prime. I watched your video again, spread fresh extra virgin olive oil on both sides of the gasket, and installed the new valve in less than 10 seconds into the tank which I had previously cleaned and let dry. It did not leak overnight after testing with a tank full of water. Some comments indicate difficulty with installation, but I see no reason why a person with normal arm strength and non-arthritic hands could not perform this job on a similar (Santa Rosa) toilet. Thanks again for your excellent service to the DIY community.
As can be confirmed by all the difficulty with this part expressed in these posts, the design of this flush valve is sadly lacking in anything but frustration. Out of the box, it is almost impossible to install. After more than a few four letter words, I did succeed and would like to share my tips. Some form of lubrication of all surfaces of the gasket and between it and the plastic valve and hole in the toilet really helps. I used soap, but before also soaked the gasket in hot water for about five minutes to soften it. Finally, I used a 1” X 2” wood block with one end tapered to fit inside the hole of the valve to apply sufficient pressure while turning it at the same time. Good luck to all.
The olive oil tip is a LIFE SAVER! Thank you!
Thank you!! I was so perplexed by this repair, I was about to call a plumber. Your video saved the day (and money!), and I had the whole thing done in a few minutes. Thank you for taking the time to make this video.
The tip on using olive oil to soften the gasket is pure GENIOUS! This saved me possibly hours of frustration and purchase of a whole new toilet.
I'm about to do a full rebuild of two of these. Wish me luck.
Thank you for making this seemingly impossible task so much easier! Lube the gasket with olive oil, apply pressure with a baseball and it turns into place much easier. Thank you!
thank you for the baseball tip! WE have been working on this for an hour until we used the baseball & olive oil!
this seems like a fantastic idea but i just dont seem to be able to generate the torque to move it.
I just replaced mine. Man is it tight to get in. The original the plumber installed with I re-did the bathroom. I found out the other day the plastic clips were missing in two of the three spots. I can only guess the plumber broke them putting it in and never told his boss. It did last for 23 years until it started leaking recently.
The plumbing supply was the only place that had the part. 21.05 was the total cost. No plumber bill, so I got off cheap.
The wife is very happy that she doesn't have to go upstairs.
Following theses instructions but also first soaking the gasket in hot water, as mentioned in another review, it was a very easy 10 minute install. Thank you.
I was not able to get the flush valve to rotate using olive oil to lubricate the gaskets but used Vaseline which made it much easier to rotate once in place. Thank you for posting this video.
Be careful using a petroleum based lub. Some rubber/plastic don't like petroleum.
Thank you for the tip of adding olive oil. I was struggling to turn it in place. Worked well
Thank you, your a life saver. Olive oil worked great after screwing around for 30 minutes!!!
My replacement gasket is on the way and I'll tackle this next week. Thanks for your video - it's perfectly clear and the olive oil trick will be helpful.
So thankful I found you! We have been working on trying to compress the gasket down enough to turn it. Anthony Payer's tip helped!
Thanks so much for this! Easy peezy, the olive oil worked like a charm. Five minutes and done.
Super helpful video! The olive oil suggestion was a great one, and the removal/install was a 6 minute job! I didn't experience some of the difficulties with install as others - perhaps Kohler has made some adjustments to the gasket construction. Thank you!
I just did another replacement and the gasket material appeared to be different than the one I installed two months ago. The hard part was removing the old gasket. The new one went in less than a minute and required little pressure. Maybe the fact that I used premium olive oil made the job easier. LOL!
Great video, thanks, couldn't figure out how to get that flush valve out and this video saved the day.
Wow!!! Thank you
The tip about the olive oil was the secret that made the project posible ... not even KOHLER mention this !!
The lube is very important. It takes quite a bit of pressure to compress the new gasket when doing the installation. Gasket part number is Koher Gp83996 Flush Valve Gasket.
Thanks for the video. I removed the old valve clockwise and installed the replacement counter-clockwise. Note that the gasket is rolled on one edge. The flat side with the sharp edge faces up. I used vaseline on the top and the bottom of the gasket and right when I was about to go get a baseball for more purchase it spun right in.
Very simple explanation I could find nowhere else. Good job. Thank you...
In line with so many other comments - don't scoff at the olive oil - it was the thing that made it work - actually a different but similar part for me, but this video saved me with that hint!
Thank you for the part number! Imagine my surprise when I was replacing my leaking valves, having bought my usual "universal compatible" choice, only to find a rounded triangle! GGGGRRRRRR! I've ordered the part from Home Depot . . .
Thank you! No one, including Kohler, would tell me this.
I used vegetable oil on both sides snd still didn't have enough strength to compress and turn. Read comment on using baseball. Didn't have one so tried a pickleball. WOW! It worked! Only took a couple of seconds to compress and lock into place. Many thanks to all!!!
Great video. Couldn't have done it without this!!
Thanks for this video. Just the information we needed. Job done easily and quickly.
Excellent knowledge. Overflow actuator and spud replacement went well .
Thanks for this. I used the olive oil and the baseball from the comments and it worked well. I also replaced the fill valve just for fun…
I used a tennis ball on top of units hole so I could put more force to push in down. Also to rotate it in place I used a 12 plier, grabbing at the base of rectangular tube and twist to turn the unit into place.
Thank you for your help! Very much appreciated!
The olive oil suggestion was excellent but I had problems until I reviewed the instructions that came with the gasket. 4. ASSEMBLE THE GASKET WITH THE TAPERED EDGE FACING THE BOTTOM. When the gasket in oriented properly, the valve assembly can be rotated into position by one person.
Can this flapper style be upgraded? Perhaps to the newer canister style?
most helpful video! thank you
Mine was REALLY hard to reinsert (the twisting portion) with the new gasket. I can only assume that the olive oil trick worked. I wouldn't have thought of using a food product as opposed to WD40 or something...but I guess organic stuff and toilets are fine since...you know...we deposit other organic stuff there. Thanks!
WD-40 did not work
very informative Thanks for your efforts.
This video help me so much thanks
Hello sir. does it really matter which direction you rotate? I can't see why it would matter unless the thickness of the tank in the triangle area is graded. Please confirm your thoughts
you saved my day！Oil reallyworks！！
The olive oil did the trick to mount and twist - thank you!
I replaced mine along with the flapper but it’s still leaking water through I’m wondering if I got the wrong gasket. I am pretty sure I got the right one .
Remove old one by prying out gasket with a pry tool. New one use a hard ball to press down and twist.
Thank you!
Big help.
Thanks for the video. Not much info available about this topic. I'm still having trouble getting mine to rotate (Kohler Santa Rosa). I think I will need to make a jig to get some purchase on it to press and turn hard enough.
limestonelizard - are you having trouble removing the old one, or installing the new one? In either case, you might have better luck if you can get another person to push down (perhaps using something like the handle of a hammer or something), while you rotate. If it's the old one giving you trouble, you might be able to cut it away. I've heard people say that putting the new gasket in the freezer for a few hours will shrink it and make it easier to install, but I've never tried that.
Thanks for the reply! I'm removing an existing gasket, but I can't seem to turn the flush valve assembly by hand. Does it matter if I turn it clockwise or counterclockwise? Thanks I'll try the hammer handle pushing while turning. If not I might try cutting away the old gasket and hope the new one goes in easier.
I don't think it matters which direction you rotate.
When I swapped out mine, it ended up being quite a bit easier to install the new one than take out the old one (of course, with olive oil applied to the top and bottom of the gasket). Good luck!
Wanted to get back to you...the fix worked great. Using the hammer plus some padding helped me get the torque I needed to turn the flush valve assembly.
Great, thanks for updating! I'm sure that info will help someone else.
Great video, thanks.
Thanks for doing this video
Nice vid. Is there any reason that the flush valve could not be rotated clockwise 60 degrees vs counter clockwise like you showed? Any stops or anything? I think my water fill valve might be in the way turning counter clockwise. Thanks.
I think rotating either way should be fine -- the only things that would block it would be other obvious things in the fill tank (like the water fill valve).
Please help. Without the gasket it slips into place easily. With the new gasket I tried for over an hour and can’t get it in. I will try relubricating gasket again tomorrow but today no success. Any more advice?
I can’t get the new one to go on proper, it’s clipped but it won’t rotate back into its proper place, god I hate kohler toilets
What did you lubricate the gasket with?
Perfect video!
This is a great video and helpful; however, no matter how carefully I follow the directions, I cannot push hard enough on the valve to compress the seal enough to get the locking mechanism (3 prongs) to the other side of the porcelain base. The base is so thick that the gasket needs to be compressed to about half of its normal thickness for the prongs to clear so that they can be rotated. I've tried using a hammer and a wooden block pressed by my shoulder with as much weight as I can muster, and it's just not enough. The old gasket appeared "squished" out the sides. I cannot figure how anyone can muster the force in that confined space. (And of course the plastic is slippery from the olive oil.) If anyone has come up with a way to soften the gasket, I'd appreciate any tips.
i have the same problem. i cannot generate enough force to allow it to rotate.
Me either
Olive Oil was genius. Thank you!!!!
excellent video !!!!!
While olive oil helped, I still had trouble as I could not push hard enough as it is awkward to fit your hands in the tank and push with just your fingers. HOWEVER, when I put a rubber sanding block over the fitting I was able to apply a lot more pressure with the heel of my palm, then the greased fitting rotated easily. A square wooden block would likely work as well to give you a flat surface to push on while spreading the force evenly over the fitting. Thanks for the video - I had no idea how to do this beforehand.
How did u have the 3 triangle rubber piece on the gasket? I ordered the same ring but didn’t see that part. Or it’s a different number
The "3 triangle" piece isn't on the gasket... it's on the fill cylinder that needs to be rotated to keep the gasket compressed and in place.
Olive oil and a baseball worked like a charm for me!
THANK you!
Really helpful
Does anyone know the part number for this red flapper. The never ordered isn’t working.
Update: Just got it done. Somebody’s wife on UA-cam recommended to push the device down with a baseball and then twist. It worked with additional olive oil. Thanks!
The olive oil worked, though I also took a sharp blade and carved a 45 degree angle on the leading edge of each of the prongs to get them started.
Thank you, the part number was right. But wondering why you didn't you use a toilet to install it. I don't want to be negative, but you replicated turning it the wrong way to tighten. It tightens counter clockwise. Also the best way to seal this is by making sure the water is very low in the tank (which I use a big sponge), and letting the porcelain seat dry. You can do this by using a hair dryer. Then, put a thick bead of silicone around the hole on porcelain instead of olive oil. I highly recommend doing a dry fit before applying silicone and remember to turn counter clockwise to tighten. Silicone will also act as a lubricant and insure the rubber gasket is sealed. I am not sure if the factory does this, but the customer swears that the one I removed today has never been changed and it had a silicone seal. It was very easy to scrape off silicone with a sharp putty knife. With this nice video and my experience, I hope that our collaboration will help all. No offense to JB
Aloha, Paul
Such a simple trick but truly amazing help, nothing in my life have prepared me for such hard maneuver, tight little place where hands can’t fit, let along push and twist. Almost gave up replacing the valve and decided to get a plumber and change the whole toilet itself. So glad I saw your video and was able to do it(still not a piece of cake, nevertheless doable)
I can echo these comments of frustration. No wonder he used a cardboard model to show how this installs. Here's a tip: use some pool lube on the bottom of the gasket to help it slip against the rough porcelain as it turns. I'll be making a video with more tips on youtube.com/@dgoulian. See you there.
What about the rialto toilet?
This is the second one for the basement bat. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxOuLt8IL_GxhhaK8DBuKEL-zV0UJVpWZn , works great
Why olive oil for?
Now that I’ve managed to install the damn thing I understand why you used a piece of paper for the demo. Boy this thing is hard to put in place. We had to be two. One person pushing down hard and the other doing the rotating. Thanks for the video, you saved me lots of $$$ by not having to call the plumber.
I ended up standing on the seat with my foot on top of the piece pushing down and turning. I'm still sweaty from getting that damn thing in place.
I hope the second person helping me is going to work.
Is there a chance that the tube is taken off clockwise? If I try to turn it counter clockwise, the tube won't budge, because it's butted up against the tank.
i was wondering if it really matters at all which way it is rotated. I'm leaning towards it doesn't matter can anyone confirm?
I can’t get the gasket to compress to turn it.
It was quite difficult to insert it. I broke one and bought a new one. Finally I trimmed 3 pointing piece little bit and able to insert it. Hope it will stay for 10 years
I’m thinking it would’ve been a better idea to buy something other than a Kohler
My son says I should like this video.
The olive oil was the only good tip here. I had tried pool/spa lube and silicone spray, but neither worked. However, it's much easier installing it on a piece of cardboard than the toilet.
My gasket was too thick that even two men couldn't push and rotate the flush valve, especially on a toilet in a small water closet. I had to find a way to compress the gasket to accomplish the installation. I compressed it overnight under the legs of my bedframe. That was just enough that the olive oil was the final step. Mine was installed on a Devonshire one piece and the thickness of the porcelain may also play a part in the installation.
This one piece toilet is poorly designed by Kohler. Why would they use a plastic material when this can easily break?. I understand this material will not corrode but a better design is needed. Well, mine broke in the process of taking it apart. Now with the new part I ordered from amazon, I'm just worried it may break again. I still have not fully engage the three prongs into place. I'm taking breaks from the pain in my knuckles... grrrrr Kohler !^%#@
All I have to say is, where's the tip ($) jar?
i appreciate the video but it looks so easy and is so so hard to pull off. no success. One of the posts mentioned using a baseball to apply pressure and turn which seems pretty ingenious but that didnt work either. i cant seem to generate enough torque to turn it.
tried olive oil. tried vaseline. tried a baseball. none worked. impossible to compress it. not possible.
make sure you have the right seal. In my case GP83996 was the correct one as opposed to GP83888. Both will fit but the latter is thicker and requires a heck of alot of compression which was ultimately not humanly possible in my experience.
fricking impossible so far...old one came out easily...
This video is a joke, right? It's a great guide to how to install a Kohler flush valve in a piece of cardboard. But I was actually hoping to install it in a Kohler toilet. Even with a lot of olive oil applied to the gasket, it's all but impossible. Perhaps you guys at Kohler can get your hands on a Kohler toilet somewhere. Then you could make a video that shows how to install the Kohler flush valve in an actual Kohler toilet.
Hi Scott -- This video's not from Kohler, I made it myself (I'm not associated with them) because I thought it might help out others. You're right that it's still not easy to install, but hopefully the oil makes it go from completely impossible to difficult-but-doable. I still had to press down on the flush valve / gasket extremely hard to get it installed. Initially, it was impossible to rotate into place while I was pushing down, but a little olive oil allowed it to work. Still wasn't easy, but at least I could get it done.
The cardboard made it easier to understand how to make it work but even with the olive oil (which was the best part of the video), it was very hard to replace it on the real toilet. I actually compressed the seal slightly overnight and that plus the olive oil worked well.
I found it be just the video I needed to see! After seeing this video I got it done in 5 minutes. Thanks so much for posting.🤙👍🙏
Dosent work