Problems with Upper Fixed Retainers By Dr Mike Mew
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I’m sorry but your 3 min video does not state any valid supporting evidence why permanent retainers are bad. Please elaborate
look at your upper jaw 😳
I don't understand what he means all I want to know is ive got a fixed retainer on my front 4 teeth will mewing still work for me
Adam Ranger ANSWER PLEASEEE
It will work
Im not sure, by my logic, it wouldnt work fully cause the fixed retainer would mantain your teeth fixed which is the opposite for what you're mewing
You can widen your dental arch
@@brann6001 ua-cam.com/video/dPlse4UoMLQ/v-deo.html
6 minutes into this video he says they're perfect for it
Dr. Mew, I really need your answers on this as I cannot find any answers on this online and would like your opinion on this as you seem to give rather vague answers in this video and no actual clear or definitive answers or consensus on the matter. Does wearing an Invisalign Clear/Plastic Retainer at night when you are not mewing prevent the results from Mewing? Do you think that I am safe to stop wearing my Invisalign plastic/clear retainers forever and not even put them on at night? Because I hear some claim that retainers at night can prevent results from mewing but then others saying that it is fine. My main concern with this is that I do not want my teeth to revert back to their original crowded and overbite form that I had before my Invisalign braces, but I also want to get results from mewing the best that I can. Do you think stopping this Invisalign Clear retainer use at night can cause retention or my teeth to go back to being crowded? It's a catch 22 basically because wearing the retainers at night can potentially revert any type of progress that I have made in the day from pushing my tongue on the roof of my mouth to expand my maxilla, but at the same time, not wearing the retainers at night could make my teeth crowded again and there is no 100% certain way of me knowing which way things are going to go. Do you think that getting a permanent or bonded/fixed braces in the back of my teeth and having proper tongue posture or pushing my tongue on the roof of my mouth would be another viable option or would this prevent mewing results as well? Bottom line, is wearing the retainer at night harmful or not? Should people risk ditching retainers forever with the risk of retention? Should they just get fixed retainers behind their teeth instead?. I understand this is a pretty lengthy comment, but I really wanted your opinion on this. If you could answer my questions and/or give any advice on this, I would greatly appreciate it, thank you.
You should also be passively mewing at night while sleeping
Broo I have the same problem :((
Did you find any possible solution? I don't know what I have to do :((
update?
Dr. Mike Mew has contradicting statements in regards to what he wants patients to actually do when it comes to mewing after braces... On one hand, in the video "Stopping Orthodontic Retainers?" he tells you that you should get fixed retainers behind your front 4 teeth and then mew, but then in this video, he states at the end that he advises against fixed retention and that he tells his patients to just focus on mewing and good posture instead... So which one is it...? You want us to just take Dr. Mew's word on faith and just HOPE that our teeth don't relapse after ditching any type of retainers all together and just hope that mewing alone with not cause relapse? The fact that Mike Mew has both of these videos up on his channel makes no sense as they contradict each other in terms of what he wants people to do in regards to fixed retainers. This is apparent by the fact that this same question gets asked over and over again on the great work forums, the orthotropics reddit, the orthotropics email, and none of which give any clear answers and just guide us back to these 2 videos, both of which contract each other and give no clear answers. But according to Dr. Mike Mew, he has answered this question even though he simply gave vague suggestions, maybes and no actual clear answers in regards to this, either to avoid liability or not knowing himself what the actual answer is in regards to whether people should stick with having a fixed permanent retainer behind their teeth and mewing OR just ditching any type of fixed retainer all together and just focusing on mewing instead.
What he may be trying to say is should you use a retainer use a fixed one, but it would be much better you do the retainer work yourself by mewing. Of course he can't say "don't use" a retainer at all, that would be putting himself at risk of getting blamed for your own decision. I don't know I may be wrong.
2:55 temporary, 3:10 if u have fixed retetion, have it for a set and limited time period before you improve yourself.
i dont see any contradictions? he says you can have them for a set and limited time, but then remove them after
@@mysticflow467 Hello, I could not fully understand the dept because my English is bad. I will ask you a question. I have retainers in my first 4 teeth (I can say 6, but they are not all wired anyway) does mewing work? Even if it doesn't work, it doesn't make side power(bad), does it? and in a few years my retainers. will come out
Yeah, like Ce Ba said, I’m pretty sure he was saying he wouldn’t want a person to wear fixed retainers forever, but if necessary, use those fixed retainers for a temporary period of time. Ideally, he would suggest that a person could practice good tongue posture, without a retainer, to prevent a severe relapse. But of course, if you choose not to use retainers, you alone are responsible for what may happen.
FIRST YOU SAY RETAINERS ARE FINE AND THEN YOU SAY THEY ARE BAD??? WHAT IS IT? WHERE CAN I GET MY QUESTIONS ANSWERED?? YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO DOES ORTHOTROPICS IT WOULD BE NICE IF YOU WOULD HELP US!
Should you get retainers, they serve a purpose, choose fixed retainers, but only temporary. Preferably, no retainers at all. Just like with braces and extractions themselves, they are not completely beneficial. Everything has advantages and disadvantages.
E :3 so with fixed retainers i can see mewing results?
@@downoextractions has never had any advantage or benefits.
If you're not doing, what are you Mewing?
If you are not doing, can you be Mewing? If you are not Mewing, can you be not doing? If you are doing, why aren't you Mewing?
😂😂😂
So in short: If u had braces or are going to get braces of have retention for some period of time and then start to mew once the teeth are fully healed in the fixed position and ditch retainer because the more work you put in for yourself the less need for a retainer
I tried this buddy, once you stop using the retainers, even though i was mewing my teeth started to move back to how they were, even bottom teeth became crowded and crooked.
@@whysoserious6641 may i ask for what purpose you had braces? Did you have an overbite or just crooked teeth? And for how long u wore the fixed retainers?
@@Luna-fu7ix crooked and overlapping teeth, why ?
@@whysoserious6641 i see..because i have heard aside from crooked/overlapping teeth, Overbites which (once was fixed by braces) can too come back if retainers are not worn for a sufficient period of time. So the word ( Relapse) is always possible if retainers are not worn🤧
@@Luna-fu7ix guess what, i had braces 10 years ago, only wore retainers for first year because they didnt actually tell me if i stop my teeth will shift back again( i got no warning ⚠️)
- lost retainers after 1 year in
-once i hit around the 9 year mark my teeth started to move back and within 1 year bottom teeth got crowded and front teeth slanted forward , upper arch got really narrow Annnnnnd
- i now have a slight overbite.
I’m currently thinking of getting invisalign to straighten the teeth and fix overbite.
-if i don’t i feel like they will continue to shift back to how they were before and believe me they were bad.
Another issue with upper fixed retainers, I have found, is that the bottom front teeth, in closing, come to rest on the wire and the wire-posts, these being an obstacle to further closure. This may not affect mewing but does affect closure position and appearance of the lips and chin. This may difference may be in millimeters but it shows.
If they rest on the retainer I'm pretty sure your dentist should've have given you a removable one for the upper teeth
@@topdoge2632 Thank you, Top Doge. The “retainers” I mean here are post-orthodonty wires, ‘cemented’ to the back of incisors and canines, to prevent the already-realigned teeth from moving. I am not sure that removable retainers of this nature are available.
Can you still achieve expansion of the maxilla with good oral posture, even if you have a permanent retainer on the front four teeth, or do you recommend getting it removed?
Thanks
Wabbajam Whooy That’s my question.
My question too
Kyle Papworth I stopped wearing my removable ones. No point in wearing them when you’re trying to expand the palate.
Lights off I am currently wearing braces but I am preparing for what to do after they have finished. Do you think elastic bands that correct an overbite affect facial growth?
Kyle Papworth Rubber bands can correct overbites, so I don’t think they can affect facial growth. If you practice proper tongue posture and swallowing (not tongue thrusting) then you can have permanent straight teeth without retainers.
I wonder, if you have extractions and your teeth now are more back, with this maxilla and palate expansion your teeth shall move again. But the question is, is this movement of the teeth going move properly forward? What's happen with the new space?
what about lower fixed retainers?
I have the same Damned question.
Me too
@@Retrosenescent can you tell us the video title or send us a link. I can't find it.
@@rawr3122 "retainers"
@@Retrosenescent Which one ?
I have a question, my top retainer covers a lot of the top of the mouth, but saliva gets trapped with in a gap that both top and bottom have. Is it normal for retainers to have a gap or do they need to been completely flush with the flesh of both the top and bottom?
Spicy Dicy I have had a hard time with this too and wondered the same thing.
My question is i have fixed retainers on my first six teeth up and low so can i still improve my face (forward growth) with mewing or is this not possible anymore?
Michael Albert u found out
@@brann6001 what?
hey man hopfully you still have your retainers on front and low teeths.
any results with retainers and mewing ?
@@michaelalbert7888 did you get a result?
Update us
I had a gap teeth. Removed the retainer for mri and teeth shifted, went horribly wrong.. might need orthodontic treatment again... horrible
how are you now?
@@ley9475 didnt go to another orthodontic treatment and embraced my gap. Its small
@@leora2455 oh i understand and im happy for you
Since my palate is narrow, my 2 permanent teeth were pulled from the top and the gap was closed with wires. If I do mewing, will these gaps open as before?what do you think
Lol I had mri multiple times with a retainer didn't know that was a problem
Is it harder to get result when u have a fixed retainer than without.
All I want to know is is forward facial movement possible without palate expansion. Or do I need palate expansion in order to get forwards growth?
What does palatal expansion have to do with moving the maxila fowards?
@@MrKrusten That's exactly my question? I don't know? Can I still wear retainers to stop any more expansion of the palate and still achieve forwards growth?
@@AceDeclan If you dont know then why are you stressing about it?
From what i have seen in mikes videos, retainers that you wear during the night (and cover all teeth in your mouth) are a bad idea. If its upper fixed retainers, you are most likely fine (as stated in the video).
Either way, expansion of the palate is welcomed. Its not a bad thing
MrKrusten Ⓥ yeah that’s great and all but that’s not my question. I want to know if forwards growth is possible with Essex retainers stopping expansion. That’s all.
@@AceDeclan Thats precisely your question. You made up in your mind that forward growth is somehow not possible if your maxilla doesnt expand and im wondering where you are getting this from.
Temporary retainers that cover all the teeth in the upper jaw are counterproductive if you want to move your maxilla up and forwards. But not because they stop expansion, but because when your maxilla moves, all teeth move with it. And you are blocking that movement.
I have fixed retainers but on 3 teeth the wire has come loose😢 i wish i knew this before getting braces,my plan was to pay it once and i thought i was set for life,im disappointed because i can see the front teeth are already out of alignment so im mewing daily hoping that if i eventually have to remove the retainer ,i can get it to a nice position again i know it wont be easy because 40 but worth a try.
I’m 57 3/4, had that wiring put in for my cousin my dentures a couple years back before having neck strap my front tooth because it’s loose my upper teeth I lose the fat ones like really loose but it is what it is quite a think about for my white cane or’s from age 13 to 18 and eating bush for five years can enjoy steak or an apple and put your mouth to find out anyways...
i have stopped wearing my top retainers and my right frontal inciser is starting to shift back and beginning to make contact with my lower teeth so it is forcing my lower jaw backwards to make room for it shifting, do I wear my retainers again or do I hard mew this tooth outwards.. it is quiet uncomfortable
My man I think you might be making a mess, consult it with your dentist.
so what happened?
This doctor does alot of rambling and never gets to the point.
I never considered not wearing my retainers, and will continue to do so because ultimately if my teeth revert back to being crooked, I'm going to have to pay another 5000 dollars to get braces installed again. I think it's awful advice to suggest that people to stop wearing their retainers.
I have the exact issue, I paid around 5000 Euro,I needed a brace primarely because I had severe jaw issues and bruxism. I still don't have an answer if mewing works with retainers, but I noticed that I have less jaw pain since I m mewing, despite the retainers. I therefore think it works also with retainers but I can only speak for myself and optically, I haven't seen dramaticly changes , except that my Profil looks slightly better:)
But your teeth became crooked in the first place due to poor posture and habits. Yes, if you get orthodontic treatment to straighten your teeth, don't get rid of retainers right away. You need to build up postural and lifestyle habits to a point where you can ditch the retainers without significant relapse.
if your teeth start to hurt from the suction hold what does it mean??
If it is a dull pain only caused by contact, it means the nerves in your teeth and jaw bone are feeling sufficient force from your tongue. At least enough force to start causing changes. People with braces experience the same dull pain
Would a single lower permanent retainer (A wire attached to the front 4 teeth on the lower teeth) interfere with the upswing of the mandible?
did u get an answer?
@@brann6001 I was told by Grey (look up his channel) that the retainer wouldn't have any major detriments to the growth of the mandible and the face. He said that the retainer is unnecessary when you have consistent proper tongue posture. I went ahead and took mine out to avoid any risks cause nobody really has a definitive answer. I just committed to mewing so that I don't regret taking it out.
Patrick Aherne thanks for answering, Guess thats what I gotta do
Youngboii lol. No problem. Make sure you got the posture DOWN before you commit. And make sure to keep it consistent.
Youngboii this is just what I’m doing
Mewing widens the palate so a invisalign retainer would be contraproductive, but thats only for the upper teeth or am i wrong? Because i have invisalign and i want the Benefits from mewing after im done with the treatment. My Main issue is the lower teeth not the upper teeth, so could i still wear lower teeth retainer later on and ditch the upper teeth retainer?
hello, any update?
@@Conniferr unfortunately not
@@madpeco5811 did you not take off the retainer? did you do mewing? how did it go
And o a quick question Mr Mew, Does having retainers only at night affects foward face growth or maxillar growth? I just turn 18
It will, but bear in mind that to take them off means risking relapse. In theory if your oral posture is good enough then you won't need to worry about relapse from taking the retainers off, but you alone take the risk if you think your oral posture is good enough and want to do so.
Gray yes maybe I should got an Myo brace for retainer
@@Grays_Plays what would be good enough ?
@@600capone2 having the tongue up properly, the lips lightly sealed and the teeth in close or very light contact.
It's impossible for anyone to tell you if you're doing a good enough job on that front to guarantee you won't risk relapse if you take retainers off though.
I am a teen and my lower wisdom teeth started growing i have been using fixed retainers and finished with them and my orthodontist gave me the removable one to stop the wisdom teeth to push my lower teeth, i have stopped wearing retainers because they have fucked up my mewing progress, but the front lower teeth started to overcrowd should i go to an orthodontist or i should continue mewing snd pray for the best
Mr Mew my Orthodontist tell me That she was going to extract my 4 wisdom teeth do I really need the extraction? I have been working on posture!
Get second opinions on it, but be wary that Orthodontists will tend to want to pull wisdom teeth just because they do it a lot, even without serious medical reason to do so. If you aren't suffering any issues because of your wisdom teeth my advice is don't let a dentist or Orthodontist near them. If you can expand your arches enough the wisdom teeth will come through as they should do. Mine are coming through, slowly but surely so my personal opinion is to deny any attempts to pull the wisdom teeth and just keep up with the posture changes.
Gray how do you make space ?
It all comes down to getting the tongue up for long enough mate. That's all there is to it really, just focus on your oral posture, especially getting the back part of the tongue up and over time you'll expand your jaws to make room for the wisdom teeth to come through. Based on my own experience they'll erupt when you make enough space for them to do so.
What if its only on the two upper incisors
Hey do you feel a little bit pain with permanent retainer like when braces get tightened or something for some mins and then it goes?
So if no fixed retention, then what should we then do? How
to prevent relaps then?
Correct oral posture
@@DarthLordize I don't think correct oral posture alone is good enough to prevent all forms of relapse. Sometimes there are cases where patients end up with even the slightest form of relapse with even doing mewing and correct tongue posture all along, I think the fixed retainers on only the front 4 teeth and bottom teeth were the correct solution by Dr. Mew originally, however, he just contradicts his advice here so I really don't understand which of the 2 videos I should listen to. I don't want to just CHANCE getting possible relapse so I think getting a fixed retainer and mewing is what I am going to do myself.
Rick Sanchez Jr. please tell me ur experience
Rick Sanchez Jr. yes please tell us your feedback so far, did you put the fixed retainers?
@@Rick_Sanchez_Jr. hey man any results with retainers on ?
I had 4 pre-molars extracted and now i pretend to take off the braces. Should i use retainers to prevent open the spaces between the teeth or just the proper oral posture and tongue placement is enough to avoid it? I 've been doing mewing for about 1 year and a half. Obs: i am currently 2 years and 3 months in the orthodontic treatment with braces, it was necessary the extractions cause it was a open bite case.
Dom juan How are you now?
how are u man?
What's the condition of your teeth now? I fell into a very similar situation to yours and just got my fixed retainers today, I will also be getting a removable retainer soon.
Bro update
But what if I had gap between teeth before orthodonthic treatment, will mewing cause teeth to form gap like it was before orthodonthic treatment?
Petar 5 ugh I have the same problem. You know yet?
y'all know yet?
Fixed retainers upper and lower did meow still work if the fixed retainers are on your upper front 4 teeth and lower 4 teeth please tell me.????????
Do you know now?
heyy
my fixed retainer was coming out so I ripped it off and threw it out (shouldn't have thrown it out they're expensive) that was 6 months ago and my teeth are slowly starting to shift despite mewing, so I wore my retainer at night. I never had crooked teeth I got braces because I had a big gap in my teeth and now it starts to open, I'm taking a gamble hoping that they won't open that much but I've heard diastema (gap teeth) will always open up I'm getting the four teeth fixed now, does anyone have any opinion on diastema will I always need a fixed retainer besides my progress with mewing?
Update?
I got the fixed retainer on the 6 teeth my dentist wouldn’t do the 4 I feel like if he did the 4 or even just the 2 my teeth would have shifted more square more like a wall of teeth but adds pure that I’ve made great progress expanding laterally and outward just don’t like the angle of my front teeth might just get the two fronts fixed retainer
@@wisesum357 oh so you could mew that’s good at least I have the Essex retainer the one that looks like an Invisalign I am mewing with that one for now until I get the correct swallowing method which should take a couple of days then I am taking them off since I am confident in the mewing by the way did you relapse because you didn’t swallow right or just because it happened?
Update?
@@alexandralee8086 mewing will expand the palate despite a fixed retainer when it expands its everything behind the front teeth the front may move a little bit not much my gap opened up a little despite a fixed retainer I used to struggle to fit my tongue up there now there more than enough room and the width of jaw has I increased a lot
Mr Mew, Is it bad that I had all 4 wisdom teeth removed?
Not really
What to do when you have had gap teeth?
I had a gap and I want to remove mine :/
My upper teeth needs to be outside but how dentist said use a teeth trainer
What's your opinion of old children (11/ 12) who still haven't had their milk teeth coming out and their adult teeth are not errupting
that happened to me,not for all of my teeth but for some of them,its normal in my case,idk about yours tbh,but i think its normal too
My dentist has given permanent retainer on my upper teeth and it has made my life hell.. Trust me never opt for permanent retainer on upper teeth
can you explain why permanent retainer on upper teeth is bad?
What it has caused? I have the same , think about removal because it may stop mewing results
@@АлисаАлиса-р2д but does it really?
@@АлисаАлиса-р2д updates?
What is a soocha please?
cranial suture
Suture
ARE YOU KIDDING ME???
What about lower fixed retainers?