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@@RGBeanie it has. InternetHistorian made a great video about it. The TLDR of that video is that Hello Games used all the money to continue to support the game and deliver on late promises as opposed to cutting their losses and running which they easily could have done
JC lmfao, this was the best comment all month, but i do have hope for this game, call me naive, but I am actually one of the few who do have *some* hope for this game (and no I am not a backer), because they have implemented many new locations to explore since I have become familiar with the game, which I think is actually kinda on par with a game this massive in scope, I'm not worried about when SQ42 will come out, we all know it won't be anytime soon, so why get expectations up for a project which is massive in scope?
There are a lot worse things going on there than feature creep. That is being very generous. The feature creep is more a symptom of much bigger underlying problems. They keep adding bells and whistles because they can't ever finish anything substantial. Or they don't care to. Take your pick.
@Solve Everything It's hard to be "impatient" when the game could legally be declared dead several times over after not showing its face (in the form of a completed product), it's been almost a literal decade, there are people who had children after they backed the game and who will be of school age now, infinitely larger and more complex games have started, gone through, and completed development doing the same things and more, you could get an annulment if this were a marriage, it's basically been long enough for a family to consider buying a second car, et cetera.
Once upon a time, we asked what would happen if a developer was given unlimited time and money to work on a game, without any restrictions imposed by publishers. Star Citizens is the terrible answer to that question.
@Mad Man I'm a backer and I've lost faith. I payed for SQ42 I already have and enjoy Elite. I've asked for a refund to which I've been declined. So the ACCC has been involved. CR should finish ONE project before he starts five more.
@Mad Man If the game is "unmanageable", then why the hell was it promised in 2014? Why weren't the developers informed enough about their project to tell that they needed more than another 6 years?
Except that Rockstar, as full of problems they may have, didn't ask anyone for single dime for its development, it earned the money. 7 years, 300 millions and people who have donated can't still even get a beta. Not to mention that we know for a fact that the studio developing the game is not doing a good job.
“Grandpa! Check out this game called Star Citizen that just came out!” “That’s great. I remember following that game during development when I was your age”
This is what happens when devs find out they can make more money developing there game then releasing it. Before anyone says anything, yandere sim is not that. That what happens when you are incompetent and also stuck in your ways.
Lets play a game, am I talking about Star Citizen, or Scientology: There are various contribution levels, people can spend money on. The more money you spend, the more tiers unlock, allowing you to spend money. Annually, supporters will gather to have their leader announce exciting new plans for the future. At this meeting, supporters will have the chance to spend money and support the cause. On the internet, you will be responsible for protecting the dream and fighting against those non-believers.
@@starelord4097 Scientology is more likely to deliver on its promises. Granted, we're talking likely in the same sense that you're more likely to win the lottery once than you are to win it every day of your life.
2000 AD: the new millenia begins. 2020 AD: the worst year ever. 2074 AD: the robot wars begin. 3010 AD: humanity proves victorious over their robot overlords. 3022: humanity begins to colonize the galaxy 3035: the second robot war begins 3080: humanity is enslaved and near extinction. 4030: combing through the remains of human civilization, robots find the kickstarter for Star Citizen and devote funds to finish the game. 4031: robot intergalactic economy collapses, mass robot suicide. 4032: humanity is saved. Robot overlords destroyed forever. 7033: Star Citizen nearly finished. Game to release next year. 7034: all life in the universe goes extinct.
Start of the 42nd Millennium: Universe experiences heat death at the end of the conflict 41001: Star Citizen released, day-one patch is 92tb of uncompressed sounds of toilets/waste disposal units flushing
Imagine organising travelling through USA from California to New York, you have very good budget and you start, but during your travel you encounter something interesting so you change your road. Being there you found other atraction and you want to imidiately go there, there you find another and again and again... You end up in North Dakota with no idea where to go and pissed of passangers who supported you... That's is what i imagine as this game development
But you can travel from California to NY. This is more like trying to drive from California to Shanghai and ending up in a ditch somewhere near Tijuana.
Except that "something interesting" is just piles and piles of money and you realize that you cant just stop driving and go home just incase thats illegal but if you reach your destination youll never find another pile of money. So you just drive a milimeter every day
By the time it will be released we will have evolved beyond the futuristic technology the game represents and see it as a game that takes place in the past.
@@EXRDaBeasta I wonder how much the kickstarter for the roadmap will raise.. Gotta love the balls on them to release a kickstarter style roadmap plan for releasing a roadmap...
"We here at CIG recognize that repeated delays have been frustrating for our supporters and we pledge to do better by releasing a new roadmap which will better communicate development progress. Expect it soon." "The roadmap has been delayed." LOL
The feared and mighty Adeptus Astartes, the Emperor's very own biologically enhanced supersoldiers, continueously wage battle after bloody battle to keep the dreaded Gods of Chaos and their minions from delaying Star Citizen any further.
Little do they know, the gods of Chaos were the ones who once upon a time invented how to roadmap a roadmap. Wait, no! That's way too grim dark even for the 41st millenium.
"Anymore competent development studio would have worked magic" This actually put it into perspective for me. Just thinking about what smaller studios have done with so much less, Star Citizen has failed miserably.
One small caveat though: they did not start out with 300 million. Its a different thing to just give a studio a 300 million budget or getting small amounts piecemeal.
Elson Felix Even though initially they underdelivered... The launch was pretty rough, now though, it got quite better, not as great as it could have been but not bad at all (unlike Rebirth).
Such things don't scale proportionally though. A small team may be able to do a decent job with few resources, but it wouldn't necessarily be able to create a masterpiece with 300m, that's the classic fallacy. Maybe even Star Citizen devs would have done a good job as a small team if they didn't receive all those money and just created a basic decent game. I'm not saying SC devs don't deserve criticism, but I often hear things like "imagine what x dev would have done with 300m", and it doesn't really work like that, being able to do a good job on your own with few resources doesn't mean you'll be able to develop a high quality AAA game even with unlimited resources As for the resources themselves, if 1 person can create a decent small game in 1 week it doesn't mean that 10 of those devs in 1 month would create something 40x as good, you may need to spend 10x the resources t create something twice as good for example, and the "higher" you go the more you spend for minor details and quality improvements. The difference between a decent game and a masterpiece is in the details. Maybe you can do an animation that works and is functional in a short time frame, but if you want to make it realistic, seamless or whatever else you may spend 10x the amount of time you spent to develop the basic animation itself, and the deeper you go with this logic the smaller the benefit will be for a longer and longer development time
Mmm, that's a good one. I'll keep that one in mind, as unfortunately I find myself in a similar mentality, and getting stuck in a destructive, non productive cycle to achieve perfection that was never possible to begin with. But... those stary eyes are a perspective that's really hard to ditch when you have OCD.
In Puerto Rico, we have a saying: Músico pago no toca bién. Translation: A musician that has already been paid doesn't play well. The idea behind it is that you pay for the work _after_ it has been _completed_ to your satisfaction; _not_ before.
preorders want to have a word with you...OH WAIT! XD But no I agree. No one works best if they have already been payed for the job before it's completion.
Here is a list of games that will finish development before Star citizen will: Elder Scrolls 6 Witcher 4 Persona 6 GTA 6 Dragon's Dogma 2 Red Dead Redemption 3 Just Cause 8 BTW they haven't started developing these games yet, maybe GTA6 but that's it.
Imagine if this game actually comes out and is absolutely perfect in almost every single way. It would be the worst precedent to set in the industry, as people would be like "well it turned out great! Maybe we should let this happen more often." At this point this game has to utterly fail to teach people a lesson.
Scam Citizen's kickstarter budget has surpass both CD Projekt's production cost for Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk 2077 combined yet the game still does not even have a proper stable release yet. If the game cost so much to make then it should realistically be better than both Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk 2077 combined, anything less than that and i consider the game a failure... oh wait, here we are in the year 2020 where Cyberpunk 2077 is going to be released but Scam Citizen is still in alpha lmao.
Good thing it won't release perfect. After nearly a decade, they have completed 0 out of 100 star systems 😂. The fans for this game are incredibly hostile, and sadly I can see why. Sunk cost fallacy. They have invested so much money, time, energy, optimism, etc, that at this point their entire reality would come crashing down if this turned out to be a scam or too good to be true. They are completely in denial, and at some point will have to come to terms and face reality.
Lol, they already took the money and ran, what they're doing now is alike laughing and mocking us for wanting something they in the bottom of their hearts know they will not deliver....I lost interest in the game years ago, if they really wanted to deliver the game, we would've seen it long ago...at least something substantial aside from tech demos they're fond to finger feed their backers.
Backers still haven't realized that they're aren't funding a complete game but funding a shitty broken tech demo with no endgame and chris robert's lifestyle, that's it. I'm not even surprised if he already bought a small island to hide and live the remaining years of his life with backers money when this game ultimately crumbles.
@Benis Long - I think they are so delusional that they will keep giving them more and more money just to keep it going so they never have to admit they were wrong and got scammed.
Future Headline: "Cloud Imperium Games sold to Tencent. Past projects of Cloud Imperium Games may be continued under the new lead. However general focus for the company will likely get shifted towards the mobile market."
It's most likely by the end of 2021 (that's when they'll run out of the cash injection of 45mil and 19mil they received in 2019 and 2020 from the same private investor and end up where they were financially in 2018) or earlier, that CIG will sell a slice of itself to Amazon's Amazon Game Studios. or a Slice to some other -investor- sucker to keep the Con going.
*sighs* How many more people, who haven't even tried to research this stuff, don't realize that you don't have to spend real money to get the in game stuff, like the ships.
from a casual star citizen player, the playable alpha version has been almost exactly the same for the last 5 years to this day. Its also horribly unplayable.
Could you imagine the horror of those Star Citizen backers if a big company did come in and actually scale the project down so it could be finished? Freelancer was shrunk down significantly when Microsoft came in and cut out all the feature creep.
@@UnnamedEmperor If i remember rightly, I think a bunch of modders put all the features that were cut back in after about 2 years of development. At this point I think Roberts is more interested in hype and money than an actual released product. Have you seen how many video series and new bulletins they produce now? Cant help but feel that's cutting into the budget somewhat
@@npc6817 "A pyramid scheme is a fraudulent system of making money based on recruiting an ever-increasing number of investors." straight from google. The developers, artists, etc of CIG are making money from investors based upon the promise of a game that will most likely never arrive, therefore creating a never ending cycle of people paying CIG to continue the scheme.
@@Nuxi10. No man's sky released as a dumpster fire but eventually got better with free dlc, SC hasn't even been released yet and it's already set ablaze
@@Darrkerkg that is why i said it's yandere dev+NMS A game that is set with high premises and alot of content but fails to deliver in a long time, also having a long dev time, like yandere simulator At this point it's just a failed product, way too many promises and not enough delivered. NMS also worked that way, but NMS actually did alot of stuff that they promised.
@Solve Everything was that known from the start? I'm trying to find a video to explain in detail what star citizen/squad 42 is. The scope of the project does sound mega and just heard about it from angry joe. When I did a search this was one of the first vids I saw.
@@budthecyborg4575 No we aren't and we never will. SC will not get us to the moon. Its more likely that some other company that actually makes real games will.
This is the way to make a game. Get rich selling a dream to people chasing the dragon and so long as you can keep them chasing, you'll keep making money.
I don't think the game was intended to be a scam from start, but it has become a scam has they realised that their objectives were too big and that they would never be able to reach them. So they started to build ships and sell them to gain more time and the scam started.
@@kukipett pretty rediculous argument seeing how much the game has developed, they are doing things never done before and all anyone can think of is "it's a scam" let them take their time Jesus Christ, red dead 2 took 10 years to make and had more than twice as many people working on it. But because this is being sold at the same time as development people expect it to be finished immediately. This game would be an impossibility for any AAA studio to make, even at its current state
Solution is simple: don't give them money, not a penny more. That way they have to finish it, or admit defeat. I've backed this back in the day with 24 bucks, and I have mourned it long ago. This needs to stop, they are giving a terrible example for game crowdfunding.
An $24 bucks this game only deserves lol 😂 don’t even give them $100 bucks! They are literally trying to develop all of space that will never end!!!! They are insane🤬
Same here. $24 something like 8 years or so ago. $24 is less than you'd spend on a night out so it's long gone and at this point you'd have to be crazy to give them any money.
wow thats a great solution, they have to admit defeat at almost 200 milion dollar donations, very hard defeat if you ask me.....dafuq are you talking about
Its crazy man, I check it every year or so... me currently: "wait there's land tanks? Water based Ships, prisons, hospitals, spaceships that cost $2500 dollars (in real money, that aren't in the alpha?) What?" Just what in the actual hell happened here?
@@brianm.595 Well, morons started buying that $2500 dollar price tagged shit and the developers thought "if morons are willing to give their money away, who are we not to take it?" I thought that was extremely obvious at this point.
@@TheCrazierz first, stop using a word you dont understand Second, "Redemption" as in the game going from universally hated mess to an actually good game.
Solve Everything good point. It’s like a whole ecosystem of scam. I suppose the streamers don’t actually have to make any assets, just ride the gravy train.
You know... When literal years ago some people started calling this whole endeavour a "Scam Citizen" - large groups of fans were defending the project like a bunch of religious fanatics. But at this stage... The fact that there is roadmap for a roadmap indicates one thing - there is no progress being made. The whole "roadmap" thing is nothing but a delaying action, a chaff. My question really is - was there ever supposed to be any progress to begin with? Because the way I see it, Star Citizen looks more and more like a project that was MEANT to be a vaporware, exploiting young (at the time) crowdfunding scene. But the apparent success of it turned out to be too big to simply disappear with the money, so they kept developing something in vain hope that people, frustrated with infrequent updates will eventually forget about this whole fiasco and let the devs be with literal millions of bucks of promises that were never meant to be realised.
"Fool me once shame on you. Fool me sixty-seven times, shame on me." - All the people who continue to pledge money towards them. It's just delusional at this point to think they will have anything to show for it.
@@hammerheadcorvette4 Source: Dude trust me. The intro pack is 45$ assuming you buy EVERY other purchasable ship even the bundles that overlap ships you get a total of 2300$ so you're telling me 1 person made 20+ accounts and bought all those ships on EVERY account? sure bud keep spewing that shit from your mouth
@NuggetsCollectoR 69 You sound a lil buthurt ;) Are you one of those people who envested alot of money in this scam of a game? & now coming to the realization that you most likely got screwed over? Lmao 😂
@@Kinobambino And if it wasnt a scam, you would think they would release proof that it's not a scam. When they refuse to communicate, that usually means they have nothing to say that will do any good. Because they can say anything they want, words dont mean anything. If they dont release proof that it's not a scam, then that tells me that they dont have any proof, because it is a scam.
Turns out what they were referring to as "the game" is actually an IRL Mortal Kombat tournament taking place amongst the enslaved devs who fight for their lives in the arena inside the Cloud Imperium Games Headquarters. Star Citizen actually were the devs who died along the way.
"we are BROADLY happy with the progress being made on squadron 42" bahahaha if this is the phrasing coming from the studio themselves you know the progress is non existent... This guy is a genius though really... he just gave people a job for 15 years then they can just say the money ran out because their vision was too godly
Yes and no. We've been approaching universal simulation all wrong. His vision is unfeasible. It's not a money issue its a limitation issue. Quantum computing is the key.
The gist I'm getting from this is that they want to release the roadmap to a roadmap but they'll want to make a full length movie to do so. It will star Arnold Shwarzenegger, Tom Hanks and Sigourney Weaver, but production delays will prevent them from finishing it on time so... they'll have to come up with a roadmap for that.
8 years and 300 million dollars later, now we are getting close to finish our roadmap about how to make the roadmap of the game development, so now we need more 8 years to finish the roadmap, and maybe in 16 years we finish the game in the unreal engine 5.
I have a feeling that somewhere in the not too distant future, they're gonna release a Netflix documentary series about the major scam that is Star Citizen and that will be the best thing to come out of this project. The game itself will never get finished.
unfortunately it's not a scam, it's pure incompetence. Just look at roberts history - every game he made had problems during development, because he constantly changed direction and focus. Imagine whats going on now when he has a free hand. Thus why Yongs summary at the beginning of the video is not fair in some sense - yes, the game isn't ready and many basic systems aren't ready and there's a high chance that they'll never be done, but at the same time scope of the entire project is totally different than it was in 2012. Back then it was space-only title with quasi-realistic shooting, now you have not only ships and space stations, but also entire planets, moons, ground vehicles, different atmospheric physic model for flight, etc. Basically, he started making content worth several expansion packs and two sequels before he even finished making feature-locked alpha of the first game. It's stupid, but it's not a scam - it's poor menagement and a vision too grand to put it into one game. Also, production model based on selling concept ships before you even internally agree how some basic stuff like the flight model should look like (which forces constant updates to the older work) isn't very healthy.
@@acidous It really doesn't matter though. There are these massive scope changes that result in core things not getting done, yet the only things actually getting done are ways to make more money for them. You'd think that it would be a mix because it makes sense. Nope. Only ways to get money and nothing else. He probably should stay in his 4.6 mil. Mansion he brought a couple of years ago. It's really a scam and nothing else
@@optidalfprime3904 do you really belive he would use development money for that? Its more like Brian Fargo case - he just had all those money from his work in the past, he's just too smart to invest all his own money to the projects when he can gather investors (no matter if those are players or from industry). And like with recent Fargo projects, it's just terrible menagement. True, self funding by selling ANOTHER concept ship when twenty others arent ready is part of problem, but if they really wanted, they could stay with space-only game and their funding model would still work exactly like its doing now. Roberts is just terrible game director that forces new ideas faster than MG42 is using bullets.
Make a game stay in Alpha as long as possible so when the game is finally ready after 50+ years, the original backers mostly dies and can't sue the company.
When Star Citizen was still on Kickstarter, there were a ton of signs it was a scam. The community on SomethingAwful kept warning everyone, and this horrible mess of a game became a running joke for years. People were dropping $5,000 on jpegs of ships that had "fully featured aquariums" and other hilarious nonsense. The money was being used to give Robert's wife a spotlight for her own ego, stupid Star Trek doors for their office, and a whole lot of shows to distract people. All of that was just in 2013. This dumpster fire continues to burn brightest and I love it.
@@VersionBest underrated? It's the same comment I've seen under any SC video in the last 10 years lol why do people under YT comments always sound like bots? Comment sections are literally filled with the same comments again and again, and people acting as if the author of the comment was a genius, every time
Star Citizen spending breakdown: 2 million actors for Squadron 42 40 million development. 50 million marketing. 268 million cam girls and Mountain Dew for Chris Roberts cuz he's too much a nerd for hookers&blow.
They released their financial report in the UK as its mandated by law. They pay their 600 employees above average , which puts their running costs at about 50 million a year right now. People think you can build up 4 studios world wide for free and it shows their infantilism.
i think the whole development process can be summarized as follows: - we have more money, make the game bigger - we have spent all the money and we dont have anything - sell ships to make money - use that money to develop the game - we have no money to make the ships we sold - sell more ships and use that money to make the first ships we sold - how will we make the ships we sold now? - wait what game ?
And a horde of fans, with huge emotional stakes in this game because of their huge physical investments. Terrified that what would have been the best game ever, gets ruined because the naysayers convince everyone to stop giving them more money and the project collapses before completion.
That's a very cynical take, which is to be expected considering the state of the gaming industry. However, it shows your lack of awareness of the current state of Star Citizen, and of the complete development history (which this video does NOT provide). The whole development process, while more open than most, is still going to be somewhat unknown from the outside. I would personally summarize it as follows: - we got the money we needed to make our game! Yay! - whoa, we got more money than expected. Make the game bigger and lets hire a whole lot more people! Oh and BTW we aren't going to release it when we said we would because... it's bigger now! - ok, now we got a LOT more money than expected - how big can we make this game? Keep going and keep selling more ships! We missed another deadline but let's see how awesome we can make this! - making games is hard, and we made some mistakes and we actually do need more money to make the game as big as we decided to make it - keep selling ships - Ok, we fixed most of our earlier mistakes, and now we have to really focus on making the game as big as we said we'd make it. We had no idea it would be this difficult or take this long. - people won't believe us if we promise them another release date, so we're just not going to say anything and keep working. Need to back it up with some real progress instead.
Finraen they received hundreds of millions of dollars, money is not a thing they need AT ALL, they used y’all’s money to buy houses and fancy cars and forgot about developing the game, I’ve been following the game for 7 years and playing it, there’s nothing big about star citizen at it current state, nothing a focused hard working team can’t complete in 4 years and would be full with features, not the bug filled screenshot simulator star citizen is SCAM *always has been*
Seeing a dev struggle this hard just to give progress reports says to me that no real progress is being made. I feel sorry for the people who have sunk money into this game. I wouldn't be surprised if the game never comes out and CID just walks away with everyone's money.
The reason they can't release a proper roadmap is because the floor is finally giving out from under them. Development is an unfocused endless swamp of bug-ridden feature creep but after _so many years_ of endless delays the current investors are starting to look at them more critically. A roadmap at this point would be a clearly written-out point of failure; if and when they announce and again fail to meet a projected timeline, that makes the investors _more_ angry. This is a stall tactic. They're running out of runway but they're going to keep it going as long as they possibly can until said investors finally demand the replacement of the people in charge, with people willing to slam on the brakes and start cutting features and wringing what they can out of the remaining budget to actually push this trainwreck out to a state that they can potentially release in. And boy if it _does_ release I look forward to seeing just how much they have to cut to make _that_ happen. Incidentally, this is pretty much *exactly the same fucking thing* that happened with Chris Roberts' _last_ attempt at a huge immersive space sim, Freelancer, between 1999 and 2003. Just on a less cultish budget and smaller timescale.
@@Ecwfan There have been many back-and-forths about refunds. CI removed the refund policy from their TOS in 2016 and began flatly refusing refunds in late 2017, then there was a particularly screwy open-and-shut single-day court case in 2018 deciding that CI no longer had to issue any refunds, basically because the arbitration clause in their new TOS says so, and also somehow applies retroactively.
8 years and 360 million dollars later... we have a rough idea of the roadmap to the roadmap of how to make the game. Inspires great confidence does it not? We will be flying space ships in real life before this game is made.
Dude SpaceX just recently finished testing space tourism. At this point space tourism is now possible more than ever when this game hasn't even finished yet.
"Hi, I'm the chairman of the board overseeing the committee in charge of the group putting together the requirements for the roadmap of the elements for our video updates. How can't I help you ?"
Elite dangerous: has its own fair share of problems, but was actually released V1.0 and updates. No mans sky: no need to retell its infamous story, but at least the team came back and made a more complete game. Star Citizen: Wait, people still think this game will be finished in 2020.
ED is boring as hell in my opinion, and is less of a game overall in it's finished state than SC is right now. It's all just procedural generation. NMS fine I guess, but took way less new tech and effort to create. My point here is that SC is taking the long hard route to do most things better than any game managed to do before. You want shorter dev time and "finished project"? SC is not for you. Right now SC is for people with patience and a very specific interest. Take it for what is. It isn't for everyone, but it is by no means a disaster or a scam.
@@phillipnunya6793 it's taking the long hard road thanks to Chris Roberts work ethics, he is a perfectionist, not the good kind of perfectionist that you can see in, for example Naught Dog Level Environment team, we're talking about the WORST kind of, dude has saying in everything, and I mean everything, half of ships been retexture/remodel, Some of those promised stay in development hell for his decision if is good or not, Narrative sections, World Building sections, UI, you name it... I mean come on, he has done this before with Freelancer ( does anyone will remember Freelancer xD), took a shit ton of time and that was for the original Xbox, imagine taking that time and with the CryEngine, that they had to rework since it wasn't build with MMO ideas
@@Varko-Farsight Yeah, CR probably makes things go a bit slower. I think everyone knows that. I'm fine with waiting as long as progress is being made and the game is finished.
I am a concierge level backer, a.k.a. an idiot. I don't believe anymore that the game(s) will ever be released. If I am mistaken, the game will have to be released with far less features and the end result will be an underwhelming experience. To tell you the truth, I find it much more probable that CIG will default at some point in the future. Anyone remembers the skyscraper analogy CR fed us back in the day? Well I feel that they are still trying to build the foundations. Very disappointing, but I have only myself to blame for believing in this project.
Chris Roberts never finished any of his games under his own control. Just look at hes Digital anvil studios track record. The last ambitious game Freelancer. in order to finish the game the publisher had to remove him and salvage the game he gobbled up. He is just doing he always did. Dreaming big. But he lack any and all skill for managing a development of any game. SC and Squadron 42 will be done when some publisher decide to buy it and finish it.
Basically, he's an ideas guy. He means well and he has great concepts but he can't ship a product. You have to put him on a schedule and put him with a team that has shipped products. You have to make him work within constraints. Otherwise you get a massive boondoggle.
@@tenalpoen Yes! But as of now he can add divide redesign elements in the game, because he had an idea at morning breakfast and it would be awesome. He needs some supervisor or manager.
Fanboys of this game are the worse. Their arguments are always so great like "You are poor and just mad you cant affor this game" "This is going to be bigger then a game its going to be something new" I could find a lot more of their quotes that they sent me few years ago when I said this gave will never come out. And a lot of death threats such a sad and toxic community
Elite Dangerous is getting space legs before SC launches. Those fanboys have been ragging on Elite for years with nothing but the false promise of a better game to back them up.
I love the part where they tell me how toxic and negative I am and then they proceed with threats over my life.. Like really bro I am toxic and negative? I just said the game you like sucks ass because it does and you are threatening my life but yeah... I am toxic! :D
Like most people I love the look of Star Citizen but even years ago when I first saw that you can drop 5 figures into this game for something that isn't complete. I forgot about this game completely and only remember it as high dollar luxury vaporware.
@@TG-ge1oh - I feel bad for him in the sense that the company did alot of shady things. But he turned around and gave them more money after suing them and losing.
@@kummakummakummakummakummac8606 Exactly. It's the whole fool me once shame on you, fool me twice thing all over again. Then again, people are weird, us included 😅
@@TG-ge1oh - The guy sued them because they were going to make a space game but when they got so much more money they decided to make a more expansive game I guess you would say. They say they are going to do this and that then never do any of it. I wish they just made a game and released it. So many broken promises it's hard to take them serious and or feel bad for the people giving them money. But like you said people are weird. I definately am. Lol.,
Even as a pledge to the game, I acknowledge by the time the game's completed, we'll have likely achieved wide-spread interstellar travel as a species, making the game moot, lol.
@@jazz8000 I mean, you can buy Anthem for $60 and play it even though it isn't finished yet, it's buggy and lacking of content. Being playable doesn't mean shit.
I wouldn't be surprised if the game was actually somewhat finished, then some new tech was implemented into the game's engine and Chris Roberts said "rework everything so we can incorporate that shit".
@@Hanfgurkenhasser they had a playable build with the old assets, also all the old modules made by third party companies that are obsolete by now. they still lied since it was nowhere near a finished and fully playable product. maybe some levels cobbled together and accessible through the command console.
It was 27k and you had to have already spent 1k to be able to buy it. Also the 27k package didn't include the game itself, you had to buy that separately
Uhhh you wouldn't get all the ships with how many more are in production and released by now, the package would be closer to 35k atm and growing :) but you can earn all the ships in the game so why complain. If some milionare wants to throw 20k at the game, let him.
It pains me to know that there are still tons of people who genuinely believe this isn't a scam when *Elite Dangerous* has been there the whole time with its arms wide open.
2012/2013 Hype Me: Everyone relax, cant you see this is one of the most ambitious games ever? It will take at least 5 to 6 years. Everyone: Nah, man. It will come out next year. Devs says so. 2020 Me: What an optimist I used to be.
I was the same. :D I backed the game about a year after the kick-starter and was an avid backer. Checked the forums regularly, "play the game" when it was finally possible. Around 2018 I got totally pissed off at them cause all I've seen was adverts for more and more ships that would get more and more expensive. Eventually I just stopped caring about this game. Last year when I've built my new PC I didn't even bother to install it...
This really Looked like the kind of game I’d play, I didn’t have the money to invest so I decided to follow it and see where it was going, this is the 1st time I’ve been glad I was financially struggling, that’s a strange thought
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Elite Dangerous did this the right way. They released the game, they released updates over time that expanded combat, let you land on planets and soon will let you wander around. Game first, cool feature creep later. EliteDangerous has a lot of other problems (wide as an ocean deep as a puddle) kinda thing but I've played it for months and gotten bored of it 3 or 4 times since SC started as a kickstarter
@@Sifer2 After 8 years of waiting, there’s one laggy mess of a solar system. My point is Elite has been persistently playable for most of that time. They added stuff as expansions but had a game to show this whole time rather than empty promises, hype and a PowerPoint presentation of a tech demo
@Solve Everything they kickstarted about a week apart. Star citizen even made more money in the kickstarter than elite.... And elite is a game that has been out for over 5 years with updates coming regularly (granted with time between) and is amazing graphically and size.
You're telling me this game has had a higher budget than GTAV and all they have to show for it are a few ships and a half assed small version of its world? lmao
This will end with lawsuits and regulations. I only half blame CIG, the other half of the problem are the gullible people that continue to give them money and will then cry like babies that they were ripped off. At this point you are pissing money away and any rational person should understand that
I remember when some one told me this game... THIS GAME... would kill Eve Online. I have to admit, i was a bit worried. Looking back on that, it was a bit silly.
I remember back in the day I was really excited for this... I feel like they had an idea for smaller, more doable title, and when the money started coming in they realized they could increase the scope of that original idea... after so much over-promising, they’re not going to make everyone happy. It also seems to me that there is a perfectionist in charge if they can’t even release update videos without creative-related delays.
@@rektdedrip "Dude, who told you we made a month of progress? It's like a week at best, man!" "Oh _shit_ what are we gonna do?!" "Guys guys guys, calm down. I have the solution: ROADMAPS." "Chris, you're a fucking _genius!"_
"It has aged like fine Milk." I had to laugh so hard hearing this sentence. It is basically all of the official SC communication in a nutshell. Did he come up with that himself or is it actually something people say? The SC Fans used to say that these evil publishers are soooo greedy and they don't allow these great creative people to develop great games because all they want is more money. These talking points also didn't age well. Not that I like AAA piblishers, but so far Ubisoft hasn't tried to charge 500 $ for a spaceship for a game that is years from being released.
@@crozraven I've heard the latter (I'm obviously not a native speaker), wasn't aware of the former. I'm totally going to annoy everyone daring to speak english with me by using it in every other sentence!
You do realize that $500 for a space ship is a game development support pledge, and that you can make the credits in game, by a variety of different mechanics, and buy it for those, right?
The only thing missing from this story is the developer posting a screed about how “they have other responsibilities besides making a game” or “i’ve been dealing with a lot of personal issues” and “that the game will be done when it’s done, so stop asking”. It’s the swan song of every group that fails to deliver a promise.
Even a lot of hardcore fans and supporters who have defended Star Citizen to death are getting fed up with the bullshit. I'm all for ambition, but when ambition is this badly mismanaged, it has to be called out.
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@@tsunamiguay8956 .
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"when I die, i want the Star Citizen dev team to lower me into the ground so they can let me down one last time."
It'll take a year or two to even get past 3 feet of dirt
that's a big "Ooof"
Lmao
Yikes
🤣🤣🤣that was a good one
No Mans Sky was announced, hyped, released, mocked and redeemed in less time than it has taken Squadron 42 to be developed.
"Redeemed" Sorry? When did it become the game they advertised to me? Been watching since the first broken patch, still not the game I was sold.
@@mikeemmons1079 At this point it's become MORE than they advertised. Maybe get out from under the rock?
No Mans Sky sold shit, got enough money to make a game, and people praise it. Fucking lol
"Redeemed" lol
@@RGBeanie it has. InternetHistorian made a great video about it. The TLDR of that video is that Hello Games used all the money to continue to support the game and deliver on late promises as opposed to cutting their losses and running which they easily could have done
When the game releases it will actually be set in the past
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long time ago in a galaxy far far away?
best comment ever! LOL
JC lmfao, this was the best comment all month, but i do have hope for this game, call me naive, but I am actually one of the few who do have *some* hope for this game (and no I am not a backer), because they have implemented many new locations to explore since I have become familiar with the game, which I think is actually kinda on par with a game this massive in scope, I'm not worried about when SQ42 will come out, we all know it won't be anytime soon, so why get expectations up for a project which is massive in scope?
Star Citizen should be a subject study in Software Engineering degrees about the dangers of feature creep.
It should be a case study in business law demonstrating the perils of fraud.
I don't think they ever planned on ever launching a game, it's probably just fraud with extra steps.
There are a lot worse things going on there than feature creep. That is being very generous. The feature creep is more a symptom of much bigger underlying problems. They keep adding bells and whistles because they can't ever finish anything substantial. Or they don't care to. Take your pick.
@Solve Everything It's hard to be "impatient" when the game could legally be declared dead several times over after not showing its face (in the form of a completed product), it's been almost a literal decade, there are people who had children after they backed the game and who will be of school age now, infinitely larger and more complex games have started, gone through, and completed development doing the same things and more, you could get an annulment if this were a marriage, it's basically been long enough for a family to consider buying a second car, et cetera.
@Mad Man GTA 5's development started in 2008 and it released in 2013.
Demon: Offer me your soul and your wishes will be granted
Client: I want Star Citizen to be finished
Demon: I don't do miracles
"Oooohh sorry. The last wish i granted said 'let us milk these suckers for the rest of our days' i just cant do both"
Demon: "WHOOOOAAAA BUDDY, You want WHAT? What's next, you want an effin plane of existence for your own? Jeez, ask the cosmos of me, why don't you?"
God: And don't even pray for that kind of miracle
.....
Client: Why you can't?
Demon: You're too late. Way too late!
Client: ?????
Demon: Long time ago SC Dev already sell their souls to me.
Hahahaha
I backed this game when it was first announced, but i'm now convinced we're more likely to colonize planets for real before this ever comes out...
Like with the Moon, it is actually easier to just go there than fake it. At least if safety is not the biggest concern.
especially when it seems that elon musk and shit wants to launch rockets to mars LOL
Truth. Fanboys are killing this game by allowing CIG to get away with this shit for so long.
Colonizing the moon would be cheaper.
We'll be walking on planets in Elite Dangerous before squadron 42 is even close to release.
Remember in the beginning when a few people joked about their kids playing this game when it released? That's literally possible now.....
Once upon a time, we asked what would happen if a developer was given unlimited time and money to work on a game, without any restrictions imposed by publishers. Star Citizens is the terrible answer to that question.
@Mad Man I'm a backer and I've lost faith. I payed for SQ42 I already have and enjoy Elite. I've asked for a refund to which I've been declined. So the ACCC has been involved.
CR should finish ONE project before he starts five more.
@Mad Man If the game is "unmanageable", then why the hell was it promised in 2014? Why weren't the developers informed enough about their project to tell that they needed more than another 6 years?
Mad Man ever thought all these problems just show SC maybe isn’t a great game and it’s not being made by a particularly good team?
Except that Rockstar, as full of problems they may have, didn't ask anyone for single dime for its development, it earned the money.
7 years, 300 millions and people who have donated can't still even get a beta.
Not to mention that we know for a fact that the studio developing the game is not doing a good job.
@divorcedme "I am allowed to express an opinion whether you agree with it or not" aren't you the one that challenged his opinion on the first place?
My grandchildren: Are we in your will?
Me (on death bed): Of course. I leave u my star citizen early access account..
Because much like it you've always been a massive letdown.
Kevin Brown lol
Kevin Brown OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF
@@tjenadonn6158 damn
And then your grandchild's grandchild finally got to play it, then they says, "what is this sh!t that takes a century to develop"
“Grandpa! Check out this game called Star Citizen that just came out!”
“That’s great. I remember following that game during development when I was your age”
"Grandpa! Check out this game that just released it's beta version"
"Grandpa! Why does it run like dogshit? Don't you think its been long enough?"
Grandpa, my kid playing this weird space game and i just got a credit card bill for 9999$ for a spaceship. what the hell did you say to my boy?
@@utubesuckbad i think you meant to say father
@@urgehopes3319 no.
When this game is finally being released ...
It won't be a science fiction...
"Remember when people were made from flesh and bones and flew through space in big metal boxes? I have a cool historic game about that"
@@TheCivildecay LOL - a medievil game?
@@id104335409 Couldn't have bothered to spell check medieval?
@@Ring_nuts does is matter? We all know what he meant to say...
@@Ring_nuts Are you not aware of the existence of the game "Medievil"? Where have you lived all these years?
This game is a prime candidate for an Internet Historian video in the future
He will be dead before it comes out, he's already like 70
@@abot4029 we'll all be dead before it comes out
@@mysterycrumble Well, at least none of the original backers will be disappointed with the game.
This is what happens when devs find out they can make more money developing there game then releasing it.
Before anyone says anything, yandere sim is not that. That what happens when you are incompetent and also stuck in your ways.
Philip McRae Herstorian will carry on her beloved’s legacy
Lets play a game, am I talking about Star Citizen, or Scientology: There are various contribution levels, people can spend money on. The more money you spend, the more tiers unlock, allowing you to spend money. Annually, supporters will gather to have their leader announce exciting new plans for the future. At this meeting, supporters will have the chance to spend money and support the cause. On the internet, you will be responsible for protecting the dream and fighting against those non-believers.
what's the difference?
Wait, is this a hint that Tom Cruise will be starting a main character in Star Citizen???
@@starelord4097 Scientology is more likely to deliver on its promises. Granted, we're talking likely in the same sense that you're more likely to win the lottery once than you are to win it every day of your life.
Cinematic parallels
Yes
2000 AD: the new millenia begins.
2020 AD: the worst year ever.
2074 AD: the robot wars begin.
3010 AD: humanity proves victorious over their robot overlords.
3022: humanity begins to colonize the galaxy
3035: the second robot war begins
3080: humanity is enslaved and near extinction.
4030: combing through the remains of human civilization, robots find the kickstarter for Star Citizen and devote funds to finish the game.
4031: robot intergalactic economy collapses, mass robot suicide.
4032: humanity is saved. Robot overlords destroyed forever.
7033: Star Citizen nearly finished. Game to release next year.
7034: all life in the universe goes extinct.
What about the cyberpunk era of 2077?
Start of the 42nd Millennium: Universe experiences heat death at the end of the conflict
41001: Star Citizen released, day-one patch is 92tb of uncompressed sounds of toilets/waste disposal units flushing
7034 : new roadmap relise...
@@merten0083 the perfect sequel to his comment 😂😂😂
@@misiknuo also 7034: Sorry guys, we had to delay the roadmap again. Please continue giving us money :D
Imagine organising travelling through USA from California to New York, you have very good budget and you start, but during your travel you encounter something interesting so you change your road. Being there you found other atraction and you want to imidiately go there, there you find another and again and again... You end up in North Dakota with no idea where to go and pissed of passangers who supported you...
That's is what i imagine as this game development
So like all the times I said I would finish the Skyrim story, but each and every time I would get sidetracked by a random cave?? Ok 👌
Rdr2 much?
But you can travel from California to NY. This is more like trying to drive from California to Shanghai and ending up in a ditch somewhere near Tijuana.
Or a straight up scam.. living large doing not much with the money making super slow progress
Except that "something interesting" is just piles and piles of money and you realize that you cant just stop driving and go home just incase thats illegal but if you reach your destination youll never find another pile of money. So you just drive a milimeter every day
The original backers have had children since then. Those children are now old enough to protest this scam.
By the time it will be released we will have evolved beyond the futuristic technology the game represents and see it as a game that takes place in the past.
Soouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu it's never coming out then. ^^
It will be considered a retro game by the time it's released.
"Hey wow! That game's from the 20's, right? My grandpa has told me all the stories!"
It won't be released, ever. Biggest kick starter scam in history and morons keep falling for it.
@@EXRDaBeasta Exactly!
@@EXRDaBeasta I wonder how much the kickstarter for the roadmap will raise.. Gotta love the balls on them to release a kickstarter style roadmap plan for releasing a roadmap...
remember when "star citizen wont come out till 2020" was just a joke?
Now 2030 seems too generous.
Star Citizen won't come out until 202020.
Now the joke is on us
Well actually not me 'cause I didn't give them my money
When a joke becomes reality, you have achieved singularity.
at this rate, we'll be able to buy and fly real spaceships before this game comes out.
"We here at CIG recognize that repeated delays have been frustrating for our supporters and we pledge to do better by releasing a new roadmap which will better communicate development progress. Expect it soon."
"The roadmap has been delayed."
LOL
Reminds me so much of an Office Space easter egg.
"Planning to plan"
where have i heard this before?
"The roadmap for the roadmap has been delayed."
What are you guys, Bethesda?
That sounds like something Bethesda would do.
This reads like a satire lol.
It is the 41st Millenium, and the imperial guard wage an unending war... to keep humanity alive long enough for Star Citizen to be released.
The feared and mighty Adeptus Astartes, the Emperor's very own biologically enhanced supersoldiers, continueously wage battle after bloody battle to keep the dreaded Gods of Chaos and their minions from delaying Star Citizen any further.
Little do they know, the gods of Chaos were the ones who once upon a time invented how to roadmap a roadmap.
Wait, no! That's way too grim dark even for the 41st millenium.
In the grimdark of the far future, there are only ships you can buy ....
And Sisters of Battle purging with flame every heretic claiming Star Citizen is a scam
"Anymore competent development studio would have worked magic"
This actually put it into perspective for me. Just thinking about what smaller studios have done with so much less, Star Citizen has failed miserably.
One small caveat though: they did not start out with 300 million. Its a different thing to just give a studio a 300 million budget or getting small amounts piecemeal.
X4 foundations...
A small team that delivered a pretty good experience, for a single player game...
X4 foundations...
A small team that delivered a pretty good experience, for a single player game...
Elson Felix Even though initially they underdelivered... The launch was pretty rough, now though, it got quite better, not as great as it could have been but not bad at all (unlike Rebirth).
Such things don't scale proportionally though. A small team may be able to do a decent job with few resources, but it wouldn't necessarily be able to create a masterpiece with 300m, that's the classic fallacy. Maybe even Star Citizen devs would have done a good job as a small team if they didn't receive all those money and just created a basic decent game. I'm not saying SC devs don't deserve criticism, but I often hear things like "imagine what x dev would have done with 300m", and it doesn't really work like that, being able to do a good job on your own with few resources doesn't mean you'll be able to develop a high quality AAA game even with unlimited resources
As for the resources themselves, if 1 person can create a decent small game in 1 week it doesn't mean that 10 of those devs in 1 month would create something 40x as good, you may need to spend 10x the resources t create something twice as good for example, and the "higher" you go the more you spend for minor details and quality improvements. The difference between a decent game and a masterpiece is in the details. Maybe you can do an animation that works and is functional in a short time frame, but if you want to make it realistic, seamless or whatever else you may spend 10x the amount of time you spent to develop the basic animation itself, and the deeper you go with this logic the smaller the benefit will be for a longer and longer development time
I have a saying for these kinds of things: "The more you gaze upon the stars, the less likely you'll see the cliff you're about to walk off."
Mmm, that's a good one. I'll keep that one in mind, as unfortunately I find myself in a similar mentality, and getting stuck in a destructive, non productive cycle to achieve perfection that was never possible to begin with. But... those stary eyes are a perspective that's really hard to ditch when you have OCD.
Wise words sensei.
Unfortunately they are under placebo effects!, but good quotes.
Deep.
In Puerto Rico, we have a saying: Músico pago no toca bién. Translation: A musician that has already been paid doesn't play well.
The idea behind it is that you pay for the work _after_ it has been _completed_ to your satisfaction; _not_ before.
That's solid wisdom:)
Excellent analogy
preorders want to have a word with you...OH WAIT! XD
But no I agree. No one works best if they have already been payed for the job before it's completion.
Yeah... that's um... Not how game development works at all.
Oh. I'm going to use that since I don't pre-order.
When your parents think you're a failure, just tell them you didn't back Scam Citizen.
This made me laugh, lol !
🤣🤣🤣
xD
But I did back it
i did back it 😎
Here is a list of games that will finish development before Star citizen will:
Elder Scrolls 6
Witcher 4
Persona 6
GTA 6
Dragon's Dogma 2
Red Dead Redemption 3
Just Cause 8
BTW they haven't started developing these games yet, maybe GTA6 but that's it.
Lmao "Just cause 8"
Elder Scrolls 6 actually is under development now I believe, so that'll definitely be released before SC
@@mornananchy495 yeah, it's earlyass days though. I'd be surprised if they had even started deleting features from 5 yet.
You forgot half life 4
Zarathen half life 3 is confirmed now so lol
They should rename it "Senior Citizen" for the launch because that's what we'll be when it finally releases.
😂😂😂 hilarious
Hahha good one, the >$5000 ships will have handicapped ramps to enter to help backers immerse
Haha this gave me a good chuckle
😂😂😂😂
Yo Dawg, we heard you like roadmaps!
So we put a roadmap, in your roadmap!
So you can roadmap, while you roadmap!
Was just thinking that myself when I seen the title.
New problems require old memes
Somebody do something, the early 2000's are leaking.
Sounds like anthem.
Hey its the finished version of Star Citizen! "Nope, chuck testa"
Imagine if this game actually comes out and is absolutely perfect in almost every single way. It would be the worst precedent to set in the industry, as people would be like "well it turned out great! Maybe we should let this happen more often."
At this point this game has to utterly fail to teach people a lesson.
They keep giving them more and more money hoping and praying it gets released eventually just so they don't have to admit they got scammed.
Scam Citizen's kickstarter budget has surpass both CD Projekt's production cost for Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk 2077 combined yet the game still does not even have a proper stable release yet. If the game cost so much to make then it should realistically be better than both Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk 2077 combined, anything less than that and i consider the game a failure... oh wait, here we are in the year 2020 where Cyberpunk 2077 is going to be released but Scam Citizen is still in alpha lmao.
Good thing it won't release perfect. After nearly a decade, they have completed 0 out of 100 star systems 😂. The fans for this game are incredibly hostile, and sadly I can see why. Sunk cost fallacy. They have invested so much money, time, energy, optimism, etc, that at this point their entire reality would come crashing down if this turned out to be a scam or too good to be true. They are completely in denial, and at some point will have to come to terms and face reality.
The dumb folks don't realize the real game *IS* the forum updates.. {insert evil laugh}
Lol...that wont happen. 10 years and 360mil...what do they have to show for it??
"Star Citizen"
*Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time....long time....*
Yep lol. I remember my friend telling me about it excitedly back in like 2016.
you know him?
Well remember to check up in 2045 for your next update info
Gamer: "did you know star citizen?"
Squadron 42: of course i do he's me?
I think my uncle knows it, he said it was dead...
Dune(the movie): “I see plans within plans.”
SC backers: “I see roadmaps within roadmaps.”
Well Jodorovsky at least had decent excuses on why it failed out + he was on drugs
Space Odysey 2001, Dave: "My God... it's full of stars!"
SC backers: "My God... it's full of roadmaps!"
Lol, they already took the money and ran, what they're doing now is alike laughing and mocking us for wanting something they in the bottom of their hearts know they will not deliver....I lost interest in the game years ago, if they really wanted to deliver the game, we would've seen it long ago...at least something substantial aside from tech demos they're fond to finger feed their backers.
Have some goddamn faith Arthut. I have a plan!
Me in 2080 when Im 73 years old: “Star Citizen enters open Beta”
That game is only for Space Whales tho.
you misspelled "alpha" ;)
Well probably be able to play the beta in cyberpunk 2077
A generational video game (in development).
I'll be almost 100!! :/
Backers still haven't realized that they're aren't funding a complete game but funding a shitty broken tech demo with no endgame and chris robert's lifestyle, that's it. I'm not even surprised if he already bought a small island to hide and live the remaining years of his life with backers money when this game ultimately crumbles.
@Benis Long - I think they are so delusional that they will keep giving them more and more money just to keep it going so they never have to admit they were wrong and got scammed.
Future Headline:
"Cloud Imperium Games sold to Tencent. Past projects of Cloud Imperium Games may be continued under the new lead. However general focus for the company will likely get shifted towards the mobile market."
You are right. Star Citizen mobile is the future! And do not forget to buy ships now they will cost more when Tencent buys them!
And will be released for free on the Epic Games Store
It pains me how likely this is
It's most likely by the end of 2021 (that's when they'll run out of the cash injection of 45mil and 19mil they received in 2019 and 2020 from the same private investor and end up where they were financially in 2018) or earlier, that CIG will sell a slice of itself to Amazon's Amazon Game Studios. or a Slice to some other -investor- sucker to keep the Con going.
At least then they'd have to actually finish a game...
Star Citizen - how to sell cosmetics without having actual game. Well played.
"Bu- but I can play the Alpha build" - some Star Citizen backer
@@halofreak1990 CIG pulled off EA's dream :)
EA take note this is how you make games
How to sell a scam and turn it into a cult.
Starcitizen is one thing and I wouldn't say it's total scam since i play it.. But squadron 42... I kind forgot what that game was... 😂
CIG: „Our overpriced microtransactions are called crowdfunding“
EA: „Write that down!“
*sighs* How many more people, who haven't even tried to research this stuff, don't realize that you don't have to spend real money to get the in game stuff, like the ships.
Don't give them ideas! lol
Microtransactions? Micro!?? These ships are hundreds of dollars each.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@TricksterRad you also don't have to spend any money on microtransactions, yet they are considered a bad thing in gaming community.
from a casual star citizen player, the playable alpha version has been almost exactly the same for the last 5 years to this day. Its also horribly unplayable.
So, basically Freelancer all over again, except this time there's no Microsoft to pry the game out of his hands and release it. Got it.
Chris Roberts is the key there
Yeah looking at SC's development it's no wonder why FL2 was canceled. Honestly I'm amazed that Freelancer was as good as it was.
Could you imagine the horror of those Star Citizen backers if a big company did come in and actually scale the project down so it could be finished? Freelancer was shrunk down significantly when Microsoft came in and cut out all the feature creep.
@@UnnamedEmperor If i remember rightly, I think a bunch of modders put all the features that were cut back in after about 2 years of development. At this point I think Roberts is more interested in hype and money than an actual released product. Have you seen how many video series and new bulletins they produce now? Cant help but feel that's cutting into the budget somewhat
@@jadonking5404 plottwist, SC will be amazing as well
Here at CIG, we are dedicated to creating the most immersive, detailed, realistic Pyramid scheme.
It's not a pyramid scheme, they're not promising you'll make money from sc it's just a money drain
Careful, you'll piss the cult followers
Essential Oils are basically what Skins are in video games.
@@npc6817 "A pyramid scheme is a fraudulent system of making money based on recruiting an ever-increasing number of investors." straight from google.
The developers, artists, etc of CIG are making money from investors based upon the promise of a game that will most likely never arrive, therefore creating a never ending cycle of people paying CIG to continue the scheme.
its all a scam so chris roberts can stuff his face in a mansion and buy his airheaded ex-model wife whatever she wants.
This is like the fyre festival of the gaming world.
Looks like a yandere dev+NMS
Well, even Fyre Festival actually stuck to its date.
@@9tailedKitsune HAH! thanks for the laugh.
@@Nuxi10. No man's sky released as a dumpster fire but eventually got better with free dlc, SC hasn't even been released yet and it's already set ablaze
@@Darrkerkg that is why i said it's yandere dev+NMS
A game that is set with high premises and alot of content but fails to deliver in a long time, also having a long dev time, like yandere simulator
At this point it's just a failed product, way too many promises and not enough delivered.
NMS also worked that way, but NMS actually did alot of stuff that they promised.
This sounds like a big government project just without the politics.
@Solve Everything this should not have been a magaproject then. XD
Yes, Star Citizen is the gaming equivalent of the Apollo program, and while we haven't quite landed on the Moon we're pretty darn close.
@Solve Everything was that known from the start? I'm trying to find a video to explain in detail what star citizen/squad 42 is. The scope of the project does sound mega and just heard about it from angry joe. When I did a search this was one of the first vids I saw.
@@budthecyborg4575 No we aren't and we never will. SC will not get us to the moon. Its more likely that some other company that actually makes real games will.
@@budthecyborg4575 this is just sad.
This is the way to make a game. Get rich selling a dream to people chasing the dragon and so long as you can keep them chasing, you'll keep making money.
EA would be proud.
And cut all contact and run off with the money. Stonks move
Not so much “how to make a game,” as “how to run a con.” Glad I didn’t invest in this boondoggle.
I don't think the game was intended to be a scam from start, but it has become a scam has they realised that their objectives were too big and that they would never be able to reach them.
So they started to build ships and sell them to gain more time and the scam started.
@@kukipett pretty rediculous argument seeing how much the game has developed, they are doing things never done before and all anyone can think of is "it's a scam" let them take their time Jesus Christ, red dead 2 took 10 years to make and had more than twice as many people working on it. But because this is being sold at the same time as development people expect it to be finished immediately. This game would be an impossibility for any AAA studio to make, even at its current state
Solution is simple: don't give them money, not a penny more. That way they have to finish it, or admit defeat. I've backed this back in the day with 24 bucks, and I have mourned it long ago. This needs to stop, they are giving a terrible example for game crowdfunding.
An $24 bucks this game only deserves lol 😂 don’t even give them $100 bucks! They are literally trying to develop all of space that will never end!!!! They are insane🤬
@@supertrendymoneymaker0722 they want to have 100 systems but they aren't even finished with the 1st one xD AND ITS BEEN 8 FUCKING YEARS
Same here. $24 something like 8 years or so ago. $24 is less than you'd spend on a night out so it's long gone and at this point you'd have to be crazy to give them any money.
wow thats a great solution, they have to admit defeat at almost 200 milion dollar donations, very hard defeat if you ask me.....dafuq are you talking about
@@golgytv - I think it's called "giving it up as a bad job" to coin a phrase.
And avoiding people falling for the sunk cost fallacy.
I bet Minecraft will have a Cave Update before Star Citizen even comes out
What will come first vandre simulator or star citizen
More like Minecraft will have the Neither Freeze Update before Star Citizen comes out.
Man I bet half life 3 will be out by then.
I'm sure they'll make a playable SC game within Minecraft before RSI gets this to beta.
more likely to have a unreal engine 4 minecraft update then star citizen ever releasing
I honest to god forgot this game existed. Multiple times already.
It doesn't
I forget this game, remember it exists only to forget it once again
Its crazy man, I check it every year or so... me currently: "wait there's land tanks? Water based Ships, prisons, hospitals, spaceships that cost $2500 dollars (in real money, that aren't in the alpha?) What?" Just what in the actual hell happened here?
@@brianm.595 Well, morons started buying that $2500 dollar price tagged shit and the developers thought "if morons are willing to give their money away, who are we not to take it?" I thought that was extremely obvious at this point.
"Star Citizen... where do I even begin with this game?" I'm pretty sure the devs ask themselves that every day...
How about we make interactable shoe tieing!
underrated comment
They've raised over $280 million.
They could have paid another games company to make it for that money.
Don't forget all the ships they sold
Tbh they probably should have. They could have bought out game studios with that sort of money.
another games company would not have had the ability - thats the whole point.
What game dev studio did you have in mind?
@@hellcat5 I was secretly hoping they could buy Bioware(RIP) from EA.
No Man Sky has a full redemption arc while Star Citizen still stuck in alpha
I wonder how much NMS cost to make (compared to Star Citizen's budget)
@@levilanzl2389 Probably a fraction of SC. I got NMS on Steam about 2 months ago and fucking love it.
"Full redemption?" Lol don't be a simp. It fucking fails as a game.
@@TheCrazierz I think for what it turned into it seems fine, but definitely not for a lot of people I think.
@@TheCrazierz first, stop using a word you dont understand
Second, "Redemption" as in the game going from universally hated mess to an actually good game.
I feel like Cloud Imperium are about to go to the store for some cigarettes and never come back.
Solve Everything good point. It’s like a whole ecosystem of scam. I suppose the streamers don’t actually have to make any assets, just ride the gravy train.
this game will have a netflix docummentary at some point
Internet historian is more likely.
Let's Pretend IH could have a playlist on star citizen before it comes close to release lol.
headlines 5 years later: "Troubled development of the Star Citizen roadmap"
You know... When literal years ago some people started calling this whole endeavour a "Scam Citizen" - large groups of fans were defending the project like a bunch of religious fanatics.
But at this stage... The fact that there is roadmap for a roadmap indicates one thing - there is no progress being made. The whole "roadmap" thing is nothing but a delaying action, a chaff.
My question really is - was there ever supposed to be any progress to begin with? Because the way I see it, Star Citizen looks more and more like a project that was MEANT to be a vaporware, exploiting young (at the time) crowdfunding scene. But the apparent success of it turned out to be too big to simply disappear with the money, so they kept developing something in vain hope that people, frustrated with infrequent updates will eventually forget about this whole fiasco and let the devs be with literal millions of bucks of promises that were never meant to be realised.
They might get a new batch of young funders, if it's a scam, it has great road map
Chris: I need a new car, someone design another ship model!
they literally admit in their post that they've spent the last 4 months working on a roadmap lol .. it's absolutely ridiculous
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity (or in this case, incompetence)
@@TheotherTempestfox don't be so dismissive of malice though...
"Fool me once shame on you. Fool me sixty-seven times, shame on me." - All the people who continue to pledge money towards them.
It's just delusional at this point to think they will have anything to show for it.
literally THOUSANDS of dollars ...
@Guy Panzerboss yeah, I'm just saying there have been ppl who have invested $40-50k in ships and things in game
Hammerhead Corvette thousands??? Millions!!
@@hammerheadcorvette4 Source: Dude trust me. The intro pack is 45$ assuming you buy EVERY other purchasable ship even the bundles that overlap ships you get a total of 2300$ so you're telling me 1 person made 20+ accounts and bought all those ships on EVERY account? sure bud keep spewing that shit from your mouth
@@Cdubble The Legatus Pack is $27,000
I said this 8 years ago, & I'll say it again...
I'll believe it when I see it...
@NuggetsCollectoR 69 You good dude? 😂
@NuggetsCollectoR 69 You sound a lil buthurt ;)
Are you one of those people who envested alot of money in this scam of a game? & now coming to the realization that you most likely got screwed over? Lmao 😂
@NuggetsCollectoR 69 If you say so lol
This interaction is the funniest thing in this comment section by far
@@MajorminorGaming 😂
Atleast Chris and his wife we're able to purchase a million dollar home a few years back.
Just a quaint little 4.7 million dollar mansion.
I'm pretty sure that they can sell few ships here and there and they will get the money back.
I don't know why people think that's acceptable. They didn't do the job they were paid for, and just go buy mansions .
@@Wakka9000 I know right. Absolutely ridiculous.
“Most expensive game on record” and in this state... I’ll bet my life that this is a scam just as clearly as it was years ago. Lol
Don't be so sure to bet your life, it may seem like it but we don't know whats going on. BECAUSE THEY WONT COMMUNICATE
@@Kinobambino And if it wasnt a scam, you would think they would release proof that it's not a scam. When they refuse to communicate, that usually means they have nothing to say that will do any good. Because they can say anything they want, words dont mean anything. If they dont release proof that it's not a scam, then that tells me that they dont have any proof, because it is a scam.
@@Kinobambino um refusing to communicate with your community is a red flag especially when you work from their money
It is more similar to a ponzi scheme more likely then just a simple scam.
Star Citizen: The most expensive alpha test ever released...
*The most lucrative alpha test never released
The more expensive and lucrative interactive teaser.
They released a alpha ?
*Gets scammed*
*20 years later*
"Wait a minute..."
😂😂😂
this is brilliant
But you can drink a glass of realistic whiskey! lmao
@@EyeXombie The irony being the dev's and people running away with the money they steal are drinking a quaint 4.7 million dollar glass of whiskey.
Not at 20...yet. been a decade though.
Turns out what they were referring to as "the game" is actually an IRL Mortal Kombat tournament taking place amongst the enslaved devs who fight for their lives in the arena inside the Cloud Imperium Games Headquarters. Star Citizen actually were the devs who died along the way.
"Please pay $27000 to see a Fatality."
We were the citizens all along
Roadmap for roadmap, it's honestly hilarious how these scammers are getting away and keep milking money from all the wide-eyed customers.
"we are BROADLY happy with the progress being made on squadron 42" bahahaha if this is the phrasing coming from the studio themselves you know the progress is non existent... This guy is a genius though really... he just gave people a job for 15 years then they can just say the money ran out because their vision was too godly
Yes and no. We've been approaching universal simulation all wrong. His vision is unfeasible. It's not a money issue its a limitation issue. Quantum computing is the key.
@AManNamed2 Elaborate
The gist I'm getting from this is that they want to release the roadmap to a roadmap but they'll want to make a full length movie to do so. It will star Arnold Shwarzenegger, Tom Hanks and Sigourney Weaver, but production delays will prevent them from finishing it on time so... they'll have to come up with a roadmap for that.
At this rate Star Citizen will be released after *Skyrim: Super Ultra Edition* and before *Skyrim: Mega Hyper Edition.*
and starfield and elder scrolls 6 will be out before star citizen be out
Skyrim 2: Hyper Ultra Mega Deluxe: Elder Scrolls Travel Gaiden DX
8 years and 300 million dollars later, now we are getting close to finish our roadmap about how to make the roadmap of the game development, so now we need more 8 years to finish the roadmap, and maybe in 16 years we finish the game in the unreal engine 5.
I have a feeling that somewhere in the not too distant future, they're gonna release a Netflix documentary series about the major scam that is Star Citizen and that will be the best thing to come out of this project. The game itself will never get finished.
basically the youtube series sunk cost galaxy
unfortunately it's not a scam, it's pure incompetence. Just look at roberts history - every game he made had problems during development, because he constantly changed direction and focus. Imagine whats going on now when he has a free hand. Thus why Yongs summary at the beginning of the video is not fair in some sense - yes, the game isn't ready and many basic systems aren't ready and there's a high chance that they'll never be done, but at the same time scope of the entire project is totally different than it was in 2012. Back then it was space-only title with quasi-realistic shooting, now you have not only ships and space stations, but also entire planets, moons, ground vehicles, different atmospheric physic model for flight, etc. Basically, he started making content worth several expansion packs and two sequels before he even finished making feature-locked alpha of the first game. It's stupid, but it's not a scam - it's poor menagement and a vision too grand to put it into one game. Also, production model based on selling concept ships before you even internally agree how some basic stuff like the flight model should look like (which forces constant updates to the older work) isn't very healthy.
@@acidous it is a scam, increasing the scope of the game is just their modus operandi to trick old and new backers for as much and as long as they can
@@acidous It really doesn't matter though. There are these massive scope changes that result in core things not getting done, yet the only things actually getting done are ways to make more money for them. You'd think that it would be a mix because it makes sense. Nope. Only ways to get money and nothing else. He probably should stay in his 4.6 mil. Mansion he brought a couple of years ago. It's really a scam and nothing else
@@optidalfprime3904 do you really belive he would use development money for that? Its more like Brian Fargo case - he just had all those money from his work in the past, he's just too smart to invest all his own money to the projects when he can gather investors (no matter if those are players or from industry). And like with recent Fargo projects, it's just terrible menagement. True, self funding by selling ANOTHER concept ship when twenty others arent ready is part of problem, but if they really wanted, they could stay with space-only game and their funding model would still work exactly like its doing now. Roberts is just terrible game director that forces new ideas faster than MG42 is using bullets.
CIG's office dog has eaten so much of their homework, it must be permanently shitting chewed up keyboards at this point.
Make a game stay in Alpha as long as possible so when the game is finally ready after 50+ years, the original backers mostly dies and can't sue the company.
For one moment I thought you were talking about Yandere Dev, but then my dumb ass remembered that this video isn't related about that shithole
@@mcchomk maybe if shit gets big enough yong would talk about it
Star Citizen is the game that will redeem Duke Nukem Forever.
Yandere Dev will finish his "Game" faster then Star Citizen.
Breaking news: developers of star citizen all “working from home” on their yachts and in their mansions
This just in: One of the creators has decided to take a break, by switching Yachts. Further delays are expected.
When Star Citizen was still on Kickstarter, there were a ton of signs it was a scam. The community on SomethingAwful kept warning everyone, and this horrible mess of a game became a running joke for years. People were dropping $5,000 on jpegs of ships that had "fully featured aquariums" and other hilarious nonsense. The money was being used to give Robert's wife a spotlight for her own ego, stupid Star Trek doors for their office, and a whole lot of shows to distract people. All of that was just in 2013.
This dumpster fire continues to burn brightest and I love it.
And you'll have people who bought into the scam defending it by saying things like, "but I can play the Alpha version right now".
It's kind of amazing really. To go this long and somehow not EVERYONE realizing it by now
Didn't Something Awful have one of the biggest and most well known SC fangroups?
The entertainment generated from this campaign alone is worth every penny I spent on the game. Which is zero dollars, because I'm not an idiot.
Man it has been going since before 13 like, 2005
When you make more money developing the game, than actually selling it...
Just like YandereDev
Underrated comment deserves more likes.
@@VersionBest underrated? It's the same comment I've seen under any SC video in the last 10 years lol why do people under YT comments always sound like bots? Comment sections are literally filled with the same comments again and again, and people acting as if the author of the comment was a genius, every time
@@Marco-zt2jj and its funny every time! every single time!
Star Citizen spending breakdown: 2 million actors for Squadron 42
40 million development.
50 million marketing.
268 million cam girls and Mountain Dew for Chris Roberts cuz he's too much a nerd for hookers&blow.
They released their financial report in the UK as its mandated by law. They pay their 600 employees above average , which puts their running costs at about 50 million a year right now. People think you can build up 4 studios world wide for free and it shows their infantilism.
Bahahahahahha..I'm just sad
don't forget about his wife
i think the whole development process can be summarized as follows:
- we have more money, make the game bigger
- we have spent all the money and we dont have anything
- sell ships to make money
- use that money to develop the game
- we have no money to make the ships we sold
- sell more ships and use that money to make the first ships we sold
- how will we make the ships we sold now?
- wait what game ?
It's a shady ponzi scheme
And a horde of fans, with huge emotional stakes in this game because of their huge physical investments. Terrified that what would have been the best game ever, gets ruined because the naysayers convince everyone to stop giving them more money and the project collapses before completion.
That's a very cynical take, which is to be expected considering the state of the gaming industry. However, it shows your lack of awareness of the current state of Star Citizen, and of the complete development history (which this video does NOT provide). The whole development process, while more open than most, is still going to be somewhat unknown from the outside. I would personally summarize it as follows:
- we got the money we needed to make our game! Yay!
- whoa, we got more money than expected. Make the game bigger and lets hire a whole lot more people! Oh and BTW we aren't going to release it when we said we would because... it's bigger now!
- ok, now we got a LOT more money than expected - how big can we make this game? Keep going and keep selling more ships! We missed another deadline but let's see how awesome we can make this!
- making games is hard, and we made some mistakes and we actually do need more money to make the game as big as we decided to make it - keep selling ships
- Ok, we fixed most of our earlier mistakes, and now we have to really focus on making the game as big as we said we'd make it. We had no idea it would be this difficult or take this long.
- people won't believe us if we promise them another release date, so we're just not going to say anything and keep working. Need to back it up with some real progress instead.
Finraen they received hundreds of millions of dollars, money is not a thing they need AT ALL, they used y’all’s money to buy houses and fancy cars and forgot about developing the game, I’ve been following the game for 7 years and playing it, there’s nothing big about star citizen at it current state, nothing a focused hard working team can’t complete in 4 years and would be full with features, not the bug filled screenshot simulator star citizen is
SCAM
*always has been*
Seeing a dev struggle this hard just to give progress reports says to me that no real progress is being made. I feel sorry for the people who have sunk money into this game. I wouldn't be surprised if the game never comes out and CID just walks away with everyone's money.
The reason they can't release a proper roadmap is because the floor is finally giving out from under them. Development is an unfocused endless swamp of bug-ridden feature creep but after _so many years_ of endless delays the current investors are starting to look at them more critically. A roadmap at this point would be a clearly written-out point of failure; if and when they announce and again fail to meet a projected timeline, that makes the investors _more_ angry. This is a stall tactic. They're running out of runway but they're going to keep it going as long as they possibly can until said investors finally demand the replacement of the people in charge, with people willing to slam on the brakes and start cutting features and wringing what they can out of the remaining budget to actually push this trainwreck out to a state that they can potentially release in. And boy if it _does_ release I look forward to seeing just how much they have to cut to make _that_ happen.
Incidentally, this is pretty much *exactly the same fucking thing* that happened with Chris Roberts' _last_ attempt at a huge immersive space sim, Freelancer, between 1999 and 2003. Just on a less cultish budget and smaller timescale.
My question is for those who did donate money to this , couldn't they demand their money back due to this ? Where the game hasn't came out ?
@@Ecwfan Nah, see most of the money is coming from buying ships. All they need to do is give them minimal viable ship and they are 100 in the clear.
@@Ecwfan There have been many back-and-forths about refunds. CI removed the refund policy from their TOS in 2016 and began flatly refusing refunds in late 2017, then there was a particularly screwy open-and-shut single-day court case in 2018 deciding that CI no longer had to issue any refunds, basically because the arbitration clause in their new TOS says so, and also somehow applies retroactively.
"Walking away with everyone's money" implies they haven't already spent it all.
We will literally be “star citizens” when this game finally comes out.
The way SpaceX is progressing, you may be right.
Yeah, EA will buy it and release it under the title "The Sims 5".
@Darth Revan Probably, Elon was serious when he expressed his desire to pass way as an old man on Mars.
8 years and 360 million dollars later... we have a rough idea of the roadmap to the roadmap of how to make the game. Inspires great confidence does it not? We will be flying space ships in real life before this game is made.
Dude SpaceX just recently finished testing space tourism. At this point space tourism is now possible more than ever when this game hasn't even finished yet.
"Hi, I'm the chairman of the board overseeing the committee in charge of the group putting together the requirements for the roadmap of the elements for our video updates. How can't I help you ?"
"how do you know it's a scam? it isn't even out yet! you haven't even played it!"
Very cool
it will only take another 30 years before they finish the story.
Wet Johnny
1. ha ha funny milk goblet
2. What in the world is your channel?
I mean I have, its fun as hell.
Did you even watch the video at all?
Elite dangerous: has its own fair share of problems, but was actually released V1.0 and updates.
No mans sky: no need to retell its infamous story, but at least the team came back and made a more complete game.
Star Citizen: Wait, people still think this game will be finished in 2020.
ED is boring as hell in my opinion, and is less of a game overall in it's finished state than SC is right now. It's all just procedural generation.
NMS fine I guess, but took way less new tech and effort to create.
My point here is that SC is taking the long hard route to do most things better than any game managed to do before. You want shorter dev time and "finished project"? SC is not for you. Right now SC is for people with patience and a very specific interest. Take it for what is. It isn't for everyone, but it is by no means a disaster or a scam.
@@phillipnunya6793 bruh it will NEVER release lol especially not with their 100 planned handcrafted systems :b
@@donatotusi9140 I disagree.
@@phillipnunya6793 it's taking the long hard road thanks to Chris Roberts work ethics, he is a perfectionist, not the good kind of perfectionist that you can see in, for example Naught Dog Level Environment team, we're talking about the WORST kind of, dude has saying in everything, and I mean everything, half of ships been retexture/remodel, Some of those promised stay in development hell for his decision if is good or not, Narrative sections, World Building sections, UI, you name it...
I mean come on, he has done this before with Freelancer ( does anyone will remember Freelancer xD), took a shit ton of time and that was for the original Xbox, imagine taking that time and with the CryEngine, that they had to rework since it wasn't build with MMO ideas
@@Varko-Farsight Yeah, CR probably makes things go a bit slower. I think everyone knows that. I'm fine with waiting as long as progress is being made and the game is finished.
I am a concierge level backer, a.k.a. an idiot. I don't believe anymore that the game(s) will ever be released. If I am mistaken, the game will have to be released with far less features and the end result will be an underwhelming experience. To tell you the truth, I find it much more probable that CIG will default at some point in the future.
Anyone remembers the skyscraper analogy CR fed us back in the day? Well I feel that they are still trying to build the foundations. Very disappointing, but I have only myself to blame for believing in this project.
Its pretty obvious theyr an out of money years ago...
@@t4trouble199 this aged well.
Chris Roberts never finished any of his games under his own control. Just look at hes Digital anvil studios track record. The last ambitious game Freelancer. in order to finish the game the publisher had to remove him and salvage the game he gobbled up.
He is just doing he always did. Dreaming big. But he lack any and all skill for managing a development of any game. SC and Squadron 42 will be done when some publisher decide to buy it and finish it.
By then there won't be an audience large enough to care.
Basically, he's an ideas guy. He means well and he has great concepts but he can't ship a product. You have to put him on a schedule and put him with a team that has shipped products. You have to make him work within constraints. Otherwise you get a massive boondoggle.
@@tenalpoen Yes! But as of now he can add divide redesign elements in the game, because he had an idea at morning breakfast and it would be awesome. He needs some supervisor or manager.
He's a con artist, he recognizes he'll get paid the longer it stays in development.
Been saying this since launch. I played free lancer I remember what he did.
Fanboys of this game are the worse. Their arguments are always so great like
"You are poor and just mad you cant affor this game"
"This is going to be bigger then a game its going to be something new"
I could find a lot more of their quotes that they sent me few years ago when I said this gave will never come out.
And a lot of death threats such a sad and toxic community
Lol, they STILL say that even now. They're just like the Warframe community, nothing but pathetic brainwashed sheep.
Elite Dangerous is getting space legs before SC launches.
Those fanboys have been ragging on Elite for years with nothing but the false promise of a better game to back them up.
@@DeathTempler not only Elite Dangerous, even X4 foundations that is a single player game made by a small team delivered a fair good experience...
I love the part where they tell me how toxic and negative I am and then they proceed with threats over my life.. Like really bro I am toxic and negative? I just said the game you like sucks ass because it does and you are threatening my life but yeah... I am toxic! :D
@@frikabg the fact that some other people are more toxic than you doesn't mean you're not toxic yourself
Like most people I love the look of Star Citizen but even years ago when I first saw that you can drop 5 figures into this game for something that isn't complete. I forgot about this game completely and only remember it as high dollar luxury vaporware.
I agree. I rather spend my money on 200 other games in the meantime and if it ever finishes (big IF) I can still get it
let's be honest, all that money went to salaries and big paychecks for the higher ups, aint gona be a game you dreamt of, ya'll got scammed
One guy gave them thousands of dollars, took them to court to get a refund, lost, then turned around and gave them even more money.
@@kummakummakummakummakummac8606 Sounds harsh when people say this... but this guy really deserved to lose all that money, didn't he?
@@TG-ge1oh - I feel bad for him in the sense that the company did alot of shady things. But he turned around and gave them more money after suing them and losing.
@@kummakummakummakummakummac8606 Exactly. It's the whole fool me once shame on you, fool me twice thing all over again. Then again, people are weird, us included 😅
@@TG-ge1oh - The guy sued them because they were going to make a space game but when they got so much more money they decided to make a more expansive game I guess you would say. They say they are going to do this and that then never do any of it. I wish they just made a game and released it. So many broken promises it's hard to take them serious and or feel bad for the people giving them money. But like you said people are weird. I definately am. Lol.,
Imagine thinking Star Citizen is gonna be finished someday and isn't a money scam
Well is it a scam if you can actually play it.
Even as a pledge to the game, I acknowledge by the time the game's completed, we'll have likely achieved wide-spread interstellar travel as a species, making the game moot, lol.
Lindsey Wofford? I thought I watched your execution!
Suddenly it becomes an mlm. It’s not a pyramid. It’s a triangle
@@jazz8000 I mean, you can buy Anthem for $60 and play it even though it isn't finished yet, it's buggy and lacking of content. Being playable doesn't mean shit.
i remember how they lied about the campaign, saying devs already played through all of it, that was around 2014-15
I wouldn't be surprised if the game was actually somewhat finished, then some new tech was implemented into the game's engine and Chris Roberts said "rework everything so we can incorporate that shit".
@@Hanfgurkenhasser THAT would not surprise me.
@@Hanfgurkenhasser they had a playable build with the old assets, also all the old modules made by third party companies that are obsolete by now. they still lied since it was nowhere near a finished and fully playable product. maybe some levels cobbled together and accessible through the command console.
They did in-fact play through all of it. Then they decided that it wasn't good enough. They scrapped the whole thing and started over.
@Han Lockhart ...It does not make it okay. I am not a jerk. I don't give them money. I'm just as upset as you are. Stop making assumptions.
Remember when they sold a DLC to access all the ships for like $24 000?
And it's only now that people are thinking that this game is a scam?
It was 27k and you had to have already spent 1k to be able to buy it. Also the 27k package didn't include the game itself, you had to buy that separately
@@trucutru3 any extra dollar is good to take I guess =')
@@trucutru3 That's the most insane thing I've heard regarding video games.
Uhhh you wouldn't get all the ships with how many more are in production and released by now, the package would be closer to 35k atm and growing :) but you can earn all the ships in the game so why complain. If some milionare wants to throw 20k at the game, let him.
@@neocodexx we complain because Chris Roberts is being lauded as a savior for not having an evil publisher while he's pioneering the MACROtransaction.
It pains me to know that there are still tons of people who genuinely believe this isn't a scam when *Elite Dangerous* has been there the whole time with its arms wide open.
star citizen is better than elite dangerous but to each his own
@@thiernosow11 No, a shitty tech demo is not better than a released, playable game.
2012/2013 Hype
Me: Everyone relax, cant you see this is one of the most ambitious games ever? It will take at least 5 to 6 years.
Everyone: Nah, man. It will come out next year. Devs says so.
2020
Me: What an optimist I used to be.
I was the same. :D
I backed the game about a year after the kick-starter and was an avid backer. Checked the forums regularly, "play the game" when it was finally possible.
Around 2018 I got totally pissed off at them cause all I've seen was adverts for more and more ships that would get more and more expensive.
Eventually I just stopped caring about this game.
Last year when I've built my new PC I didn't even bother to install it...
This really Looked like the kind of game I’d play, I didn’t have the money to invest so I decided to follow it and see where it was going, this is the 1st time I’ve been glad I was financially struggling, that’s a strange thought
Now they can't even deliver a roadmap on time.
Cloud Imperium: Let's make a roadmap for a roadmap guys!
EA: Write that down!
They’ll make a roadmap for the roadmap for their roadmap! To see it you will to pay for a lootbox to see each part!
Alex Alverez Ah shit your right, and the only way to get lootboxes is to buy the ULTIMATE article pass, but wait, you have to pay every time you rank up! WHAT FUN!!!!!
Edit: Wait, EA has told me that they are not called lootboxes, but S̸̡̿ ̶͍̌U̶̖͂ ̴̺͐P̸̦͊ ̷̗̉R̸͇̄ ̵͓̈́I̵͉͗ ̵̞̓S̶͙͗ ̴͔̐E̷̫͌ ̶̨̀ ̷͉͠ ̷̦́M̶̢̉ ̵̼̿Ḙ̵͐ ̴͇͌C̵͍̿ ̶̯̚H̶̠̍ ̷͙̉A̶̮͛ ̶͚̋N̴̲̈́ ̷̻̋Î̵̲ ̶̜̌C̵̛̯ ̶̲͝S̶̜͠ ̴̳̓!̷͉͘ ̸̣̓!̸͈͛ ̶̱̾!̶̲̈ ̶͍͐
(Pls help they are holding me at gunpoint)
@@M4k4r_Th3_D3lver but you get that sense of "pride and accomplishment"
More like
EA: Why aren't our people coming out with these great ideas??!? I thought we had the best people that money can buy!!!
@@frikabg EA: Buy out that studio now! And then shut it down so we get full control of its IP!
Elite Dangerous did this the right way. They released the game, they released updates over time that expanded combat, let you land on planets and soon will let you wander around.
Game first, cool feature creep later.
EliteDangerous has a lot of other problems (wide as an ocean deep as a puddle) kinda thing but I've played it for months and gotten bored of it 3 or 4 times since SC started as a kickstarter
To be fair that's kind of the same with SC. You can play it now in a rough alpha state, and only one solar system.
@@Sifer2 After 8 years of waiting, there’s one laggy mess of a solar system.
My point is Elite has been persistently playable for most of that time. They added stuff as expansions but had a game to show this whole time rather than empty promises, hype and a PowerPoint presentation of a tech demo
@@Sifer2 The rough alpha you can play right now is nowhere near the game ED was even at launch, and since then it has been growing and growing.
@Solve Everything they kickstarted about a week apart. Star citizen even made more money in the kickstarter than elite.... And elite is a game that has been out for over 5 years with updates coming regularly (granted with time between) and is amazing graphically and size.
@@RiskOfBaer Yeah only now with the odyssey update they add walking in the game took them like seven years lol.
You're telling me this game has had a higher budget than GTAV and all they have to show for it are a few ships and a half assed small version of its world? lmao
No! NO! They also got a few houses to show. Their houses to be precise. Quite expensive.
This will end with lawsuits and regulations. I only half blame CIG, the other half of the problem are the gullible people that continue to give them money and will then cry like babies that they were ripped off.
At this point you are pissing money away and any rational person should understand that
I remember when some one told me this game... THIS GAME... would kill Eve Online. I have to admit, i was a bit worried. Looking back on that, it was a bit silly.
Those people are right! This game will kill Eve when it comes out because by the time it does eve will be played by 2 people and it will be 2120
Calling this a game is a tad generous, id say more a glorified tech demo
I remember back in the day I was really excited for this... I feel like they had an idea for smaller, more doable title, and when the money started coming in they realized they could increase the scope of that original idea... after so much over-promising, they’re not going to make everyone happy. It also seems to me that there is a perfectionist in charge if they can’t even release update videos without creative-related delays.
Why would they even want to finish the game at this point? People have been consistently throwing money at them for years.
This is PR speak for “We don’t know what the hell we’re doing”
"How do we tell them we've made 1 month of progress in 2 years and make it sound good?"
@@rektdedrip "Dude, who told you we made a month of progress? It's like a week at best, man!"
"Oh _shit_ what are we gonna do?!"
"Guys guys guys, calm down. I have the solution: ROADMAPS."
"Chris, you're a fucking _genius!"_
Long story short... Beware the game developer who promises a game that does everything.
Beware of anything that promises you everything...
"It has aged like fine Milk." I had to laugh so hard hearing this sentence. It is basically all of the official SC communication in a nutshell. Did he come up with that himself or is it actually something people say?
The SC Fans used to say that these evil publishers are soooo greedy and they don't allow these great creative people to develop great games because all they want is more money. These talking points also didn't age well. Not that I like AAA piblishers, but so far Ubisoft hasn't tried to charge 500 $ for a spaceship for a game that is years from being released.
"Aged like a fine milk" is a thing & very much the opposite of "aged like a fine wine."
@@crozraven I've heard the latter (I'm obviously not a native speaker), wasn't aware of the former. I'm totally going to annoy everyone daring to speak english with me by using it in every other sentence!
Don't give Ubisoft ideas.
Also, Ubisoft Shields Abusers.
You do realize that $500 for a space ship is a game development support pledge, and that you can make the credits in game, by a variety of different mechanics, and buy it for those, right?
@@TricksterRad yeah yeah, we get it, it's a scam and always has been.
The only thing missing from this story is the developer posting a screed about how “they have other responsibilities besides making a game” or “i’ve been dealing with a lot of personal issues” and “that the game will be done when it’s done, so stop asking”. It’s the swan song of every group that fails to deliver a promise.
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