The Culling Dev's Delusional Response To Pay-Per-Match Monetization Backlash
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Xaviant's Josh Van Veld actually thinks his mistake was how they announced pay-per-match rather than the pay-per-match monetization itself. What reality does this guy live in?
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I agree
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"We were afraid that the flood of players coming back would crash our servers"
Yeah, all 5 of them
Some pretty sh!t servers, must be..😂
The 5 being developers themselves
one just gets more servers rented temporarly in that case. or just not care,every single WOW expansion release overloaded the servers, but it sorted itself out after some days and nobody cared anymore
Or even a worst case a premium option with a guarrenteed server spot so if someone was so desperate to play but servers were always full they could pay
After the steam chart
This is not even an exaggeration
"we were terrified of everybody coming back and overloading the servers..."
buddy, you don't have to worry about that.
The Culling 1 died with single digit player numbers back during a time where only like 4 other BR's existed.
The Culling 2 literally shut it a severs down and died like a day after it released.
The Culling 1 died a second time within what a few weeks of its re-release?
Now their re-re-releasing it with the shittiest monetization scheme I've ever seen. Expect them shutting down AGAIN very VERY soon.
@@Shishomuru how can your game die a day after release lmao
He's basically saying they were scared that the game was gonna be popular. I'm sorry but no developer is ever scared that their game is too popular. What a blatant, unapologetic lie. He's insulting the intelligence of every potential player by pulling that bullshit on us
Yeah, they pretty expertly torpedoed any chance of that happening.
@@jvccr7533 Hard to believe, isn't it? But that's what happened, no hyperbole O.o
"DO YOU GUYS NOT HAVE WALLETS??" - Josh Van Veld probably
Lmao
Of course not Josh. At least we still have money to buy a game that isn't run by someone wearing fucking clown shoes - everyone that quit the culling probably
is this a reference to the diablo immortal announcement?
@blupheonix44 FIVE. DAWLLARS. How do you have hours to watch me but not five dawllars?
Dude, what about cheaters in the game?! Good lord imagine spending money to play a match and dying to a hacker, good lord. And if you think about it, there is more motivation to cheat in this game than any other BR since you don't have to pay again if you WIN!!!!!!!!!
Excellent point sir
Makes you happy that the game and their company is basically dead at this point. Serves,then right for this practice.
Better add Denuvo anti-cheat. That'll draw more players in.
@@Aeghamedic Oh that is a gut check. Actively winced for Bethesda, good on you.
Dude even hackers wont want this game, noones gonna bother to code cheats for this shit lol
"We were afraid that the flood of players coming back would crash our servers"
Now THAT is delusional
As in Flood. He means leaving the faucet on and it drips with the plug in. What reality do I live in where EA is actually seen as the 2nd greediest Company in the Universe
Oh yea all three of the players would totally crash the server
Cue Jonas Jamerson laugh track
It’s not delusional because he knows himself it’s a lie
AMEN.
"Let's limit players to one match per day to not overload our servers"
Literally nobody plays this shit.
I mean the good news is even before the change you'd probably get to play as much as you want. You'd probably win round after round after round because nobody else is playing.
EAs gonna do the same shit, I bet all of my sex toys.
Must be running those servers with Windows '95 if more than one match a day would overload it...lol
I'm still standing here reeling. Trying to catch balance after watching this video. I'm physicaply stunned at the level of bullshit I've seen. I can't believe these idiots actually thought this would take off. Immaculate levels of stupidity. It's almost beyond human comprehension.
@@noble14 How does these "toys" are related to EA?
Sad part is, someone is still gonna be willing to pay for this crap.
Your right, it happens every time and it's really gets me 😔
Well that it is... 😣
I mean, Charlie played the Culling 2 for becoming part of the history, so you're not wrong.
Call them by their names; Whales
Given how poorly Culling 2 went, good luck getting enough to actually play a game and spend those tokens.
I dabbled in the "being an indie dev" thing (made 2 games and have em on Steam) and failed hard. My biggest regret was my inability to grab enough people's attention to give us feedback so we could know where we were lacking and the sort.This dev had and still has that feedback and continues to ignore it. Just amazing how deluded people can be.
Gratz for getting 2 games shipped! It is one of the hardest things to do.
(I've shipped numerous games on PS1, PS2, PC, etc.)
what are the games you made called?
@@jaycee48 hi, they are Super Captain 3d and Bloodmoon : the last stand.
Caisio We will spread the word
@@Caisio i would buy it if i had money and a windows pc
“Our model isnt wrong. Its because we didn’t lie enough”
What a psychopath
What did they lie about?
My thought exactly xD the only way to make this phrasing any better would be to lie that they never did such a system and still have it in the game xD
predator H2O He didn’t lie, it’s just that he should have lied to his community. that way he would have earned money income
@@simonnilsson8375 I'm pretty sure he meant he should have gone with 10 free matches from the start.
At least he's being honest about not lying enough. Unlike so many other publishers.
The only thing they're culling is their profit and player base
Lol what player base?
Yea like the 2 people who play the game.
BrownWater well those 2 players took the damn bait badly
@Jesse Tiller there never even was a player base to begin with!
@@chikage8918 to be fair anyone that had it while it was free are able to play the one match per day
As a "Beta Veteran" for The Culling, this is strike 3. The first strike was ruining the game by removing half the content in the form of perks and airdrops, the second strike was The Culling 2, and now this. They already apologized for their actions with shutting down the sequel and handing out full refunds, and completely restarted from build 1 of The Culling to remake the game. Doing this has killed off what tiny community they still had, and Xaviant deserves every bit of ridicule and bullying they get.
Kinda there with you. Had good times and fond memories but I’ll only come back if someone who actually cares about the game picks it up instead of the money
@@threestrees Yep. Xaviant shouldn't touch this game any longer.
Hope you guys can get a comunity version when they eventualy go bankrupt.
Let the culling die god dammit
their first strike was having these ideas, the 2nd was implementing them, the 3rd was thinking they could get away with it :)
"Admirable idea but poor execution, we can use this." - EA and Activision-Blizzard
Blizzard soon to announce pay-per-queue for LFR/LFD/the group finder in general. Hope you got your Party Tokens ready
/s
but you know more people will pay for that because EA and acivition blizzard makes quality games with questionable price.
dont lie,battlefront 2 didnt deserve the feud it got other than the microtransaction shit
& Bethesda
"Terrified of everyone coming back" so instead they made it so NO ONE came back lmao
Gottem
Hahahaaaa
The problem solved itself lmao
*_golf club has stopped working_*
Well, now at the next meeting he could say: "ladies and gentlemen, our goals were met!"
"We hope this game will last for years to come"
It lasted like.....an hour.
It was DOA. Actually DOA
@@liambuchan4162 Shit, with his attitude, the game was never alive even as they worked on it. Dude is so fatalistic, he's talking like they've already lost. There will be no meat on this dead horse.
The original was a quite good example for an early access game and finding a match was absolutely no problem, then they pushed stupid patches.
@@angrytheclown801 The game was dead before it even existed xD
@@liambuchan4162 Are you kidding? The game was dead before the first game was released! 😁
I'm actually honestly thankful for these crazy devs for being so loud about their bad practices
because absolutely nobody will think about trying something like this again lol
That, unfortunately, is where you're wrong. Bad ideas are as recyclable as card box and just as weak.
And there are fools who actually put money towards bullshit
Never underestimate the prideful stupidity of fools.
Ehh...I dunno about other devs not doing this. Haha. Sure they'll see this or learn about this and probably think "Hey, this is a great idea! I'll go ahead and do this too."
What's worse is there'll be other people who'll defend something like this.
When ever youngyea says "pay per match" my brain keeps replacing it with payper view lol
Lol it is pay per view when you die right off spawn and start spectating your killer
That moment when the things we joked about regarding microtransactions actually becomes a reality...
What a sad time we live in
They probably would have been fine if it was just a monthly subscription with no upfront purchase.
*and when I say fine, I don’t mean that they’ll be successful, just that it wouldn’t be a controversy.
Why is your pfp rule 34 tmnt?
@@jackhazardous4008 wait until Bethesda announces the same scheme for 76
turtles are hot
@@cruzthesasquatch Y not? :3
“I was worried about overloading the servers”
You mean like with the culling 2 with it’s whole double digit player base?
Double digits: 01
That's one more digit than their servers could handle
@@jayzz911 still more than i expected
Woah... culling 2 reaches double digits?
Seems like he run game server on his laptop or something
This continues to be entertaining because I've never seen YongYea this genuinely pissed off.
The Culling: of a fanbase
"We were terrified of everybody overloading the servers!"
Well, have we got news for you.
"...So we limited the number of players in a match to one."
god i love it when i buy a 20 $ game just so only 8 matches were ever played. *content*
Guess they won't have to worry about that for sure :)
Publisher: _"We're disappointed in how we delivered our message."_
What they're really saying: _"We wish we could re-word and twist this in order to fool everyone into thinking it's good."_
Our lie wasn't well crafted enough.
@@_V.Va_ yep
They can try all they want, didn't even know the game.😂😂😂
👌👌👌
The EA and Bethesda business plan
My favorite part is when he claimed they were worried that they'd be so successful that the servers would get overwhelmed and so it was a good idea to make a crap monetization scheme.
I like his final statement, it basically comes down to this: "If you enjoyed your 1 free match of the day, then you can buy more, and if you enjoy that many battles, then you can spend even more money to get unlimited battles with the monthly subscription, how generous of us right?!"
Except the first “free” match isn’t free: the game costs money to download; you have to buy the ability to access that first match
The fact that so many games these days have “business models” beyond “we make a game and you buy it” is such a sad reality of this industry.
gaming died in 2004
Amen to that :/
I miss the good old days. I feel like a old man because those day's feel like years and years ago
Yeah... this is especially sad when games like Doom gets shafted...
@@luisitojr1992 That's because they WERE years and years ago. The only place where that business mentality still applies is the Indie games industry and sadly that's a very saturated and competitive market that most studios can't survive in.
Xaviant: “We’re bringing the Culling back!”
That fish from Spongebob: “How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man”
They love the young people (money)
“He’s gonna kick my butt!!!!!!!!!”
Step 1: "People like us and are spending money. We should charge more money."
Step 2: "Players are leaving for other games that they like better. We should charge more money."
Step 3: "Charging more money is pushing even more players away. We should charge more money."
Goddamn, I remember when The Culling first came out I though it looked really promising and fun but I was staved off by just how many negative reviews the game had from people who had played on Steam. I contented myself with watching other people play (what I can assume were best case scenario matches where everything went right, there were no bugs, things were relatively balanced, and it's not like I was the one waiting in a queue) in the hopes that I would eventually feel comfortable enough to get the game after it seemed to reach a stable positive state.
But that day never came, and for the longest time it stayed on my wishlist as super huge "maybe" and when games stay like that for too long eventually I cut those titles loose. I would see it every now and then and think "maybe" again but I eventually forgot about The Culling. Now seeing the audacity of this business model and monetization strategy I can safely say The Culling is nowhere close to my watch list. It is officially buried in the ground for me now.
did anyone tell them their main competitor is both F2P AND doesn't pull any "schemes" to scam players?
thanks for making me compare Fortnite to something positively, Josh.
Oh shit it's my dude Deadwing
Deadwing while Fortnite is free, you really think I'm gonna touch that garbage? Especially when it's prolly got CCP spyware on the Epic Games Launcher, if not the game itself?
When Fortnite is seen in a positive light, you know something is wrong.
@@GlareanLiebertine Go back to the Cold War, red-scare tinfoil hatter.
Fortnite doesn't need to scam, they picked the PERFECT target audience. Kids who will happily spend their parents money for clout. And the parents will happily give it for some peace and quiet. Kids are the perfect consoomers
(Btw your content is sicc, make more edited vids I fuckin love em man)
Imagine your product being so bad you have to advertise the payment method for it.
And that payment method is worse than the actual product.
Big brain energy
Ouch! 😆
The thumbnail of this video made me think that Yong had seen the TLOU2 spoilers
"What the actual f*** Part 2"
Videos like this why I love your channel. Amazing voice, clear, well written, and good comedic timing. Hell a lot of times I felt I was finishing your thoughts because on the same page! Well done
EA: I am the greediest company!
Bethesda: No, I am!
Xaviant: Hold my *S C H E M E*
Xavient: *copies Dungeon Keeper Mobile's business model*
EA: *on nvm, we're already doing that*
Xaviant: oh honey you let your players play for *free?* that’s simply ludicrous
Xaviant: pay to hold my scheme
forgot 2ķ
A new challenger has appeared!
"I was worried The Culling would be TOO popular!"
Yeah....
It is popular, just not positively popular
“Infamous”
I guess he forgot to look at his past two Culling games to think they were popular.
@@Kaiser499TV I mean to be fair, the first culling was a pretty good underdog battle royale, mostly because how it was "Melee-Themed" rather than "Range-Themed" your usual BR, but starting from the second game which they launched immediately after the first game out (yeah i know that doesn't make sense, but that's what happen) The Culling basically pulling a... Suicide Move.
@@Azazantei i loved the first game, unique, underrated and they fucking killed it.... The second game was an atrocity
You were really on form here, Yong Yea. Great stuff!
EA- We have the most monetization in our games!
Activision- Hold my beer.
Xaviant- Hold my beer after you pay me $5.
The very word “culling” is appropriate for what they’re doing to themselves.
I had this same thought. The stronger IPs have succeeded.
10 points to Griffindor. which is you. 👍🏻
Just another day
In Gamesville
Captain Plague nah, just another day. We live the same day everyday because shit don’t change. if it does it’s more rare than common 👽
Just another broken record
Idk why that made me laugh
War... war never changes.
Man, this is from 2020? Along with everything else that's happened, this is one rollercoaster of a year
If they ever made Kitchen Nightmares or Bar Rescue style show about video games companies/developers, Xaviant and "The Culling Origins" would have to be episode 1. The set-up is perfect:
1) An interesting sounding company name
2) A company on the brink of financial ruin
3) An owner whose in complete denial/out of touch with reality
4) A series of bad decisions made by said owner that led to where they are now
Someone should totally make web series like this
"I don't think there exists a player that wants to play our game every day"* Bro then pull the fking plug lmao
I.e UnPlUg xAvIaNtS LiFe SuPpOrT.
i would
and did
YongYea’s new catchphrase: “You’ve lost your god damn mind”
The only problem with that is some of the people he says it about never had a mind to begin with.
"Boy have you lost your damn mind, cause I'll help you find it!"
@@Repugnantone can you not? It's very mean talking about disabled people.
@@delirium1643 Disabled people have brains. Some game execs don't.
" you're god damn right "
from a breaking bad character
Damn i cant stop watching your video so informative and the way you convey your thought in a clear and aritculate way! I guess i am just so bad at communicating
Is it just me or does that picture of Van Veld make him look like he's stoned out of his mind?
The Culling Dev's: Don't you guys have wallets.
Yes but i dont have monmon
Yes but I have a brain
*dOn'T yOu GuYs HaVe MoNeY?
Yeah I've got a wallet with a filled credit card from car repairs as well as other games. These idiot devs wonder why we get so defensive with microtransactions.
Oh no not again my PTSD is kicking in again...😂
This whole situation reminds me of the meme of that guy riding a bike and puts a stick across the front tire, and then falls down.
Indeed.
He will then blame the wheel for being poorly designed.
I love how you described it
Accurate
Then the backlash is the "This is fine." Fire meme.
Jams stick into spokes
Crashes
"Our messaging failed!"
Ace Combat Infinity did this with their Sortie Fuel system. You had 3 charges that each take 4 hours to recharge. You could buy extra charges for $1/match. This was way back in 2014 on the PS3.
To me, this is an interesting situation. I'm not so certain that pay-per-match is the core problem here. There does seem to be a consensus that this is a dead game that needed to stay dead, so that may be coloring people's views here. I was a teenager in the early-to-mid 1980s when arcades were big, so dropping quarters into an arcade machine is not a foreign concept to me, and that system could be quite suitable for an online game that is designed in a way that makes sense in that context. Part of the problem here is that there is a base price for the game, so it is comparable to an arcade having a cover charge to walk in the doors; that is problematic, and I think it contributes to the backlash. The monetization scheme wouldn't be nearly so bad if the game didn't have a base price. This game also has a subscription option, which, to me, is perfectly acceptable if a game doesn't have an initial cost, and as long as the cost is a good match for the quality of the game (which probably isn't the case here), and as long as it isn't combined with other monetization schemes. In this situation, a pay-per-play option as an alternative to a regular subscription might offer a good value for casual or sporadic players who don't want to pay a monthly fee. I think something like this could work if the game is good enough to justify it, is designed much like an arcade game so that it is compatible with a pay-per-play feature (and has multiple matches per quarter, as arcade games usually had three or so lives), has a subscription option for regular or frequent players, has some level of free content to help it attract new players, and doesn't combine these with any other monetization schemes (i.e. an initial base cost, cosmetic microtransactions, or the evil loot boxes). I wouldn't count this out as a fair and viable monetization scheme for the right type of game, but judging from the negative reactions, The Culling isn't the right type of game, and the whole situation was handled very badly. This could well be the end for this developer, and perhaps it will serve as a cautionary tale for others. It will be interesting to see how it develops in the near future.
fair points. i actually wanted (may still) to do something like this for a proj am working on, but mostly just as a joke. cheers
I do like your points though I think there are some major problems that developers could run into. Back in the arcades hay days they had much more going for them that made people willing to do the pay per play model. The games they were able to play significantly outperformed anything you could get anywhere else. You where willing to throw quarters into a machine because the arcade cabinet could play a game you really couldn’t experience anywhere else. Home consoles were just making there comeback with the NES and similar systems and couldn’t properly replicate the games arcades could do. These days you really just go to arcades for the novelty considering most games at arcades you can play a better or at least equal version at home (unless they do some gimmick like of a ridiculous controller that’s to big to fit in the average persons house) If someone wants this model to work these days they will need to go beyond their A game and create something genre defining. On top of that even if they do they have to pray that someone else doesn’t come and monotize it in a way that makes it more appealing such as PUBG versus Fortnite.
"We were afraid of having too many players, so we made it so instead we would have no players!"
big brain IQ move
Don't have to worry about servers being over loaded with players, if we have no one playing.
Galaxy brain move right there.
Do not fear we made the game so bad that no one is here!
It’s 2020, I’m about to buy a GameCube and play that for the rest of my life.
The GameCube is still my all-time favorite Nintendo console.
I'd suggest grabbing a WiiU and hacking it so that you can play three generations of Nintendo's games (not even counting the virtual console or even retroarch), but yeah, the idea is looking more and more appealing.
Cyberpunk 2077 cant get here fast enough. I'll be on that forever.
Don't forget to sell your ubi acc (if you have one) before 1st june since after that date ubi owns everything, even your soul (awesome ToS update)
Enjoy Luigi’s Mansion, Resident Evil 2, 3, 4, REmake, 0, Wind Waker, and Super Mario Sunshine
Lol, your closing remarks...I'm trying to play a game but you got me cracking up
Lmao you made my day this is so hilarious 😂 earned you a new subscriber
Somewhere at EA... “Are you taking notes?”
DO NOT put that image in my head!
EA is greedy anti-consumer trash but they're not stupid. They want successful games and nothing else.
Chikage EA “WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THIS DAVE, THEYRE STILL MAD ABOUT BATTLEFRONT II, JUST SHUT UP AND WORK ON A SEQUEL TO THAT BETTER STAR WARS GAME.”
Surprise tokens!
Potting Soil indeed even though I hate EA, I’d take surprise mechanics over pay to play any day
Android Wilson just found his soulmate.
Oh, wait. They don't have souls.
they both have butts tho
butt buddy's!!
scummates
@noquieropuerco Ouch :D
@@catnium assmates, huh? xD
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getting this back in my recommended at the end of 2020... oh how i miss when this was the biggest thing we had to gripe about
You know, one thing I can appreciate about this whole situation is that the dev's haven't sugar coated anything. They've been blunt and honest. Shame they botched it so badly.
Joke of the year "Over loading servers"
They have a single Raspberry Pi running the servers.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD they underclocked the pi to cut down on power costs
Hey, Raspberry Pi have more power to host entire Culling 2 player tho.
I believe that's actually what happened when the Culling initially launched, back when the Battle Royale craze had yet to happen. But now that Fortnite and PUBG are a thing, and that it failed with 2 different versions of the same game, to think it'll happen a gain is a tad delusional.
Yea culling 2 literally had no one playing it just hours after its launch, you were stuck in the pre game purgatory where you see NOT A SINGLE SOUL waiting to que up.
Microtransaction memes turned into reality. "0.99 for another clip of ammo" is next.
Isn't that what WoT do? buying "premuim" bullets with "gold".
"We've heard the backlash over our new monetization system so instead of one MAG you will get 10 MAGS every one after is going to cost you 1.99."
WoT's gold ammo can be purchased with in-game credits though
And as a bonus, WoWS removed standard consumables and replaced them with premium consumables, for free, and can be resupplied for free.
Pay $1 for a checkpoint.
Spin the slots for a chance of winning a special bullet
I'm watching this video for the second time, but in December 2020. This was the longest year ever.
This stuff never gets old 😂
EA: (furiously taking notes)
Nah, EA did it first. This was Xavient taking notes on Dungeon Keeper Mobile.
Bethesda behind EA: *write that down! WRITE THAT DOWN!*
It would make more sense that this guy is trying to get his name out in hopes of getting a call from a EA or Bethesda size company more so then actually expecting anyone to pay anything for his game
Ah yes, The Culling 76 is coming along nicely.
"Almost heaven..Map #6"
LMAO. That kinds made my day. Thank you.
At least 76 is decent after wastelanders, this game has been out for years and it’s still garbage
I dont think F76 was and is anywhere near as bad as this shit. This is so fucked up that this comparison is insulting to F76 (oh how low we fell if this sentence IS A THING)
16 x the detail
As we say in the UK,
"You can't polish a turd, but you can put a little bit of glitter on it!"😆
10 matches per day? I go through that many matches in Apex with in 5 minutes 🤐
I used to do neigh 50 at a time in TF2 back in 2009.
Xaviant: "hold my beer!"
Everyone: "wait what? We didn't say anything"
Xaviant: "just hold my goddamn beer!!!"
*Pay $10 to hold Xaviant's beer*
Everyone: Why the fuck is there a paywall to hold your beer!?
Xaviant: Dammit I knew I should've gone for Tequila.
Everyone: I WASN'T COMPLAINING ABOUT THE DRINK!
A very unique take on hold my beer comment. Which is good considering YongYea has more HMB comments than other channel. Here goes my usual phrase. I'm curious if somebody out there sick of this phrase.
Oh great. Another very original "Hold My Beer" comment.
Fawzan Fawzi Hold my beer:
You:
Beer:
Nobody:
Everyone:
Patrick star: The
Maybe beer is the problem.
thats making even less sense than these guys monetisation plans >_
"We were really scared there would be too many players, and we'd have to actually provide a good play experience. Luckily, we managed to shut that down before launch this time."
And just like that, two months later, Xaviant was no longer even a thing if their last updates regarding server maintenance meant anything.
Actually... I was wrong saying this is an exclusively mobile monetisation scheme. On PS3, the "Tekken Revolution" free-to-play model worked similar to this. There's a few exceptions ad rationalisations which aren't applicable to The Culling, though:
-Free tokens had a cap on how many would store, but replenished one every 20 minutes or so, whether you're playing or not. First time starting the game gives you a full stock of free tokens.
-Premium tokens don't have a cap, and can be gained through both online and offline gameplay, as well as being given out at times for events and other reasons.
-Premium tokens also give a small XP boost for gameplay where one was spent.
-It's a fighting game, not a Battle Royale. Oddly, this doesn't make as much difference as you might think - a player can get beaten in a first match, or have a string of 10+ victories, and get a similar range of value out of 1 token. But the style of gameplay matters for perception.
-THERE iS NO UPFRONT COST OF ENTRY.
-This game's primary target audience is an *ASIAN* market - mostly Japan and Korea. These markets have a tendency to be more forgiving of this kind of monetisation model.
-You can literally gain tokens faster than you spend them if you're a moderately above-average player and can run 3 wins for every 2 losses, or better, as your usual gameplay (matchmaking will gradually try and shift to you winning 50% of the time but not in a strict "throw you against overly-tough opponents" way like some matchmaking systems do).
We've gone full circle back to arcade monetization.
No we haven't. It's just one game and dont say micro transactions because %99 of console and PC games dont need you to spend money to beat the game and move forward in the game
I actually want to play some of the arcade games. I dont even wanna touch this shit.
Isn't this worse then arcade monetization? It's like paying 6 bucks to go inside the arcade and then paying again to even try a cabinet.
Next gen consoles will have a one click button purchase on their controllers.
Somebody on Reddit uses arcades and stuff to justify this, still surprises his has the brains to type
"The Culling" is a fitting name for it since that's what they seem to be doing to their player base
what playerbase?
@@PRUSER27 People who are either as high or as insane as them.
I used to play the original, then they ruined that
What playerbase
"The Cucking"
“What the hell kind of logic is that!?!?” Congrats YY- you are now a meme!!
Post it for proof.
anyone knows where I could get that cyberpunk figure?
“Improving upon garbage doesn’t make it any less garbage”
Recycling: Am I a joke to you?
can't recycle radioactive waste
by definition garbage generally refers to food waste and non recyclables like lightbulbs and broken objects.
Useful garbage
To be fair, recycling = transformation of useless waste into something reusable. Improving garbage just means you wrap it with a nice shiny bow and ask people "wanna buy it now?"
actually recycling is bullshit. Only a small fraction is reused, most is sent to east asian countries who either burn it or throw it in the ocean
This guy must be holding a PhD title. (Permanent Head Damage)
PhD in gr€€d
That goes to Dutch
@@armintor2826 lol
Its close to a subscription model, honestly if it was 3 weeks it might be a good idea, the game isn't selling cosmetics or loot crates as far as I know and all that stuff needs to be earned in the game. They'd probably have better luck with a more regular subscription system or since its a battle royale just making it free and selling cosmetics.
Main issue isn't really the monetization even but the game itself. If it gave the value of a battle pass from similar games and was a lot of fun a subscription type thing might actually save money but their product just doesn't seem good enough for it.
Hearing Yong say "You cannot make this shit up" made my day.
"we were kind of terrified of everybody coming back, overloading the servers"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
This must never be normalized. EA and Bethesda are watching with hungry eyes.
Heh heh.. yeah, this is the future.
I guarantee we're 5-6 years out from things like this being normal.. and for all the big talk from folks.. I don't see anyone doing anything other than rawing their hands by constantly getting their credit card out.
What's next? Pay to unlock higher graphic settings? Pay for audio? Pay to even access either the play button or the options menu? Or pay to BUY the game itself
@@spearsharp8682 That reminds me of that one game, dlc quest or quest for dlc or something like that. You buy dlc to Jump, gain Audio, Walk to the left etc.
When are gamers gonna put their feet down and say no to bad business models, like come on, WE control how much money game companies make.
God
He was so scare that people wouldn’t play, that he had to make sure that no one would.Real Genius
Hahahaha this guy is delusional. Seeing as they’ve only had 7 players in the last 24 hours I’m assuming this game will die again also Xaviant should stop taking cues from EA and Activision. Although to their credit they do make games that people actually want to play. Despite the misconception gamers aren’t complete morons, that will blindly pay for your crap.
Those 7 players are probably devs testing the game.
@@Flegado Exactly
EA be like:
"WRITE THAT DOWN
WRITE THAT DOWN!"
Even EA wouldn’t ever do this, they just make you rebuy games and buy more stuff, but at least it’s not forced
i swear i will burn all company down
@@joeytrujillo4475 EA is also willing to cooperate with a foundation founded and lead by an ex-Stasi. They have no bounds.
As scummy as EA can be, they like money. They would never do this. Bethesda, on the other hand, seems to absolutely hate money for some reason so I could see something like this happening to Elder Scrolls Blades or something
Justin Bethesda is almost the same as EA’s “monetization ideas” just look at fallout
Calling it here: They file for bankruptcy around November.
Culling it here. More like
November? That's generous
Giving them more time than I did.
You think they're gonna make it through the summer?
I'm here just in case this make it to agedlikewine/milk .
I cant imagine anyone is going to play 10 matches of this game a day. I cant imagine anyone playing 2 matches per day.
It seems to me that many game companies are like isolated to the players and just see what people are playing and making games similar but also never hearing what players actually want and what type of games they want to see.
He’s ascended from pay-to-win to play-per-play
We didn't think a company would be so stupid for a pay to play a second time but we were wrong
Descended*
Pay-to-pay-to-play
@@faisfaizal5194 pay-to-play-to-pay*
4d chess
"We were kind of terrified of everybody coming back, overloading the servers." Let that sink in :D
Lmao it would never happen regardless, it’s a 100% shit game
The servers (are we sure it's really plural?) probably run on 486s.
Imagine making something and wanting to sell it but being afraid that you might have something a lot of people are willing to buy. Like what even are you suppose to make of that logic?
"Small indie company" jokes aside, even Blizzard doesn't have enough server capacity whenever a decently large update or even a new game comes out. But you know what they do? They either wait a few days until the problem fixes itself or they buy/rent more servers. It's not rocket science, but this dev here makes it seem like the entire playerbase will just vanish into thin air if they are hype for a game and can't properly play it for a few days after launch.
His whole way of thinking basically comes down to "If noone wants to buy your product, raise the price". It's honestly baffling.
High level reality distortion
They legit used the angry birds font on the word Origins 🤣🤣
I never considered that developers would intentionally post awful initial monetization strategies then dialing it back slightly to appear considerate to the player base.
That's the "better by comparison" manipulation strategy right there.
they been doing it since forever.. they play by the same manipulative corporate play books as every other greed fueled machine in this capitalist end game.
Xaviant: "There are regulars here. Five dollars a month! How do you have hours of time to play this, and not $5?! What are you doing with your life where you have hours to play games and not $5 for the content you're playing?" LOL
If you don't have $5, you should be out looking for work, to get your $5, to give me the $5!
I see the reference you did there. Good shit
Spot on dude.
Them twitch thots be like
It's not about having 5 dollars, it's about if your content is worth that!
i remember the whole culling community revolting after literally the first hand to hand combat update. combat was fluid fast and fun, after it was heavy clunky and inaccurate. that is what caused the initial drop when everyone realized they didn't listen to the community at all. They have been in their own little world since the day of the first major patch. its sad... the game actually had alot of great touches my favorite was the animations running through bushes.
Yeah it was one of my favorite games at the time. The bow and arrow skill ceiling was amazing
When they did this it made me so mad
Its weird seeing people talk about The Culling, because like, I saw maybe 3 videos about it during the height of its fame and figured it looked like an "ok" early access game - but SOS happened pretty soon after Id seem it and SOS was dope as hell and by then The Culling was dead.
Then The Culling 2 happened and we all got to take a good laugh at what a spectacular failure it all was. Now here we are, watching a corpse be paraded about by its parents and its just hard to laugh now...
@@brosephnoonan223 The game had a lot of things that are very unique among all BRs even now. Melee combat focus. Viable trap gameplay. Shooting down enemy loadouts and stealing them. Different perk loadouts that significantly change your playstyle. Announcer that makes amusing comments whenever you kill someone. Map wide random events. Even now most BRs are fundamentally modeled after PUBG/H1Z1 and there is maybe one other game (Darwin Project, but it died too because of bad dev choices) that took on the style of The Culling, which is a shame because it really was unique among all the BRs out there right now.
How about making the game paid, people pay for it ONCE, and play the damn game?
_Heresy! Burn the witch!_ Don't let facts get in the way of our greed! /s
what.. you think this is the 90s again?
"They regret ... how the announcement was made"
Saw that coming a mile off! This happens all the time, sometimes even more egregious than here - e.g. "we're sorry we accidentally told the truth".
I expect he wishes they'd used the well-worn other method of announcing crap:
"This introduces *consumer choice* - players can choose how many matches they have available, rather than being forced to have unlimited matches!"
EDIT: 17:57 Sorry, I spoke too soon!
It's like they're trying as hard as they can to get people to hate them.
They could be making culling 1 so terrible whatever they release next will look better if that makes sense
@@masochisticgamer2082 My fun theory which is definitely not real is this: Bethesda, EA, and all the other cumbucket studios are paying them to be so god damn awful. They hope to desensitize us to monetization/microtransactions by paying scapegoats to expose us to worse monetization/microtransactions. "Hey look guys! Our pay to win lootboxes are nothing compared to what the Culling is doing. We are good now yes?"
They want to go deeper with monetization, they know they lose money and respect for doing it. So to learn from their mistakes, they are paying studios to release trash to lower the standards of gaming for them. The standards of gaming can be lowered, horse armor DLC was shat on when it released but if Bethesda released a full, great game with only one or two minor DLC's like horse armor today, people would think they were returning to greatness. And rather than being the creators of the new age horse armor, they are paying people to be the creators of the new age horse armor.
Actually... This is fucking real. It might be unrealistic but in comparison to how delusional you have to be to make this mistake, I think my theory is entirely more believable. Well. Maybe not, but if I see another studio doing something crazy bad with monetization, I called it here first.
*Outstanding Move*
no they are not trying at all this is very natural for them, pray to god they don't start trying to get people to hate them =p
If I wanted to play at an arcade I would go to one
And arcade games were good and fun at least. I dropped so much quarters in Metal Slug I could buy that freaking machine.
I have one down the street. I hope they reopen eventually, I miss Turtles in Time.
Ikr, at least arcade machine are worth it for their machine.
At least at the arcade you don't have to buy the game so you can put money in it
Go ahead. Like to see you try in 2020....
It comes out in may on the Xbox One when the Xbox Series X comes out around december.
Great video.
A wise man once said “if you don’t like it, don’t buy it.”
Let it fail. Only then will they learn.
We need to parade it's failure around so the other publishers don't get any ideas.
This is what happen to resident evil 3, the game suck, people keep giving their money to capcom
Video game companies learning from mistakes. Haha.
EA and Activision/Blizzard still exist. Activision’s stock price has almost fully recovered since Diablo Immortal/CCP support/Warcraft 3: Refunded. People never fucking learn.
I get what he's saying. He didn't have the money (or was afraid of going too deep into the company coffers) to maintain the servers, and he wasn't converting enough players into sales via loot and camos etc. F2P can really work, but only with either a high rate of sales per player or a massive volume of players with a modest turnover of sales per player (or both). They obviously had shitty sales and were losing their nut to server costs so decided to cut player numbers and try to milk the dolts that hung around. Shitty business model, just let it die.
If that were the case why they don't make a single player game, even making a shitty one they will probably get more money than a multiplayer game. These are just excuses to steal some money from people that could actually care about the game.
Sergio Kaz because that’d be too much work and just adding price tags on existing things is easier, duh!
@@minir6030 it's probably because the culling is the only good thing they have going on in their life, it was a great battle royale back when battle royales were getting better, they don't want it to die so they're literally doing anything. I guess you call the culling singleplayer anyway because you can play a free match offline to win a online play token...then lose and go back to an offline match if you actually wanna play the game ahahaha, it's a fun and good game I used to play it back in the days and I'll always miss it but it's fucking dead and they're shitting on it in the grave, damn devs.
This is incorrect. I'm sure you know what whales are but to remind you: In the mobile market, and probably the gaming space in general now, it's generally a small number of players who end up making a game profitable. I can't remember the stat but it's literally like a few percent. Not to mention, maintaining servers costs practically nothing. Nobody has their own servers, they rent them, and it doesn't cost a lot. Battlerite had a nonexistent userbase and STILL has servers online TO THIS DAY. I knew a lot of people who played and I know 0 people who spent real money on Battlerite. But that's where the whales come in.
Regardless, for a game like The Culling where the community basically wanted it reverted to the original, they could have essentially had 0 development costs and just paid for server space.
I encourage you to look into how expensive it is to rent servers so that game companies can't convince you they are doing you a favor by not charging for online or charging very little. With someone like Nintendo, a company I swear by, it's laughable they charge even $20 a year for the online. So for a game as simple as a battle royale (yes more players per game in general, but far less total games, very simple physics) it's ludicrous to think this guy is actually watching his company sink because of server costs.
But your point stands. He shot The Culling in the face and nothing is going to save it.
Why not they just allow people to host their own servers if they cant afford to rent a server....
Yong's reactions to the insane delusions of this guy are hilarious.