Lawyer Reacts: Crumbley Verdict Watch: What Is Taking So Long? What Could This Mean For Verdict?
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The fact that he saw the drawing and fled and even called suspecting that his son did it is proof enough. Period and nobody should argue against that
The shooter texted and wrote in his journal about wanting help so badly, but when he had the counselor's undivided attention he denied everything he was feeling. He could have jumped at the chance to tell another adult he was suffering and wanted serious help asap.
I do agree with you there but I think the counselor was being very naive when a teacher sends you a student with drawing such as that on it his locker and his book bag should have been searched. And when the gun was found authorities called.
Ethan Crumbley
Kid was a manipulative, lying mess, the counselor was a joke (and should be held accountable) and the parents were too inconvenienced by the kid to actually parent him. Who in their right mind would provide a socially isolated, loner kid access to a gun? I am NOT against guns.
Most kids are afraid they will be institutionalized forever so they keep quiet. I did.
@@susanbrooks9317 it would not be uncommon for a young person to draw something they liked. If he'd drawn a female student would you have assumed he intended to rape her? And if he'd used the weapon to delete himself would his parents have been charged? I think not!
To answer Peter’s question, I think the parents are equally culpable. For me it’s about the inaction of both parents when they saw the drawing that day knowing he had access to the gun he drew and begged for, along with alarming statements written on the drawing.
As a long-time educator, the drawing on the Math paper was a major red flag. I would definitely feel like pretty thorough questioning of the student should happen. Checking back pack, probably even calling authorities, student definitely going home that day. Because NOTHING was done, I feel that mom, dad, AND school officials were negligent. Even in elementary school, if a child talks/draws about shooting someone, the child is questioned to see if there is suspicion of danger.
Exactly and I'm not a teacher but I would have done the exact same thing because it's a cry. The other teachers knew it but I'm going to say this many times the teachers are alerted to bad behavior send them to counselors and administrators and they do nothing. That guy was a total joke to me on the stand he's supposed to be a professional?
I gave my gun away years ago when I came home from work and found my son had taken my gun to practice w/o my knowledge. And sometimes I came home and some kids were drunk at my house. They were seniors. I was an air traffic controller. Going through a divorce. Thank god nothing bad happened cause I would be in jail.
you would be rightly in jail, yes. i'm lucky to live in a coibtry where nobody has guns, so nobody needs to worry about guns and gun violence!
@@lilg2300no she shouldn't be in jail. She didn't do anything wrong.
Our chats here make me think and love everyones outlook and Peter you and Emily are the BEST❤❤❤
My husband used to be a school administrator at a high school in Michigan. School staff don’t have to follow the same privacy laws public citizens are entitled to; they have more leeway on searches, etc. in order to “maintain safety and order” in the school.
Retired teacher from Michigan here. Can't tell you how many backpacks, lockers, and desks I went through in my 28 years of teaching.
The same is true here in Georgia. Why didn't they search if a student was acting that suspicious and teachers were concerned and sent him to a counselor they should have looked through his book bag. They search everything here .
This is so frigging simple. EVERYONE is accountable.
So glad to catch a live! I’ve been anxious about this one!!!
Guilty because he did not lock up his gun.
It isn’t low that you have to look up your gun
This case is going to change our laws to get our parents involved w teens committing crimes! It’s about time! Teens and young adults have no boundaries! James could have helped w info on his son! When he heard about AShooter, he didn’t run to the school!
You realize how many black mothers will be going to jail if they start charging parents? Almost every kid in big cities is carrying weapons.
"It's going to be a quick video only 15 minutes. Rewatch crew checks time. 1:19 😅😅😅 ❤
I thought the verdict was way too fast for the mother with consideration to the crime/penalty in the state.
I read my kids' journal and papers... There are things I know, that they don't know I know 😅 I try to give them some privacy, but I still "check in" just to make sure there isn't something big in their lives that I need to know! The boys I have to break into social media... mostly girl stuff, but some stuff gets deleted and they can't figure out how it happened... lol. Last kiddo is almost 18 ( we have 4 boys, 1 girl) so this mom is exhausted. It is work to make sure the kids stay out of trouble or not find themselves in normal teen situations BUT dealing with a kid with mental issues was very stressful and I would never allow him to have a gun. Even when we were getting him help, I hid everything and slept with one eye open... if these parents would have done 20% of what most parents do, they would have been more aware, and this could have possibly been prevented. Maybe it is just me and being in the Healthcare system, my red flags were flying and I am just left with why in the world didn't they listen to this kid and then get him a gun of all things while he was dealing with the stuff they already knew about?! Just blows my mind.
They didn't get him help because they didn't have health insurance for their son. I don't understand why this point isn't brought up 80% more than it is
@@007nadineL That's true, that it's hard to get help if you don't have insurance...But they spent over twenty thousand dollars for a horse so they could have used that money towards their son.
My son has mental health issues, I have locked up my knives. So that's not always true Peter! But I know him so knew I needed to. If these parents really had no idea that's the part that gets me
Is it not obvious to you that when Peter says something he is not speaking about every single person on the entire planet?
At the beginning of an hour+ long stream: “we’re only going to be here for a few minutes…”
😂😂It flew by though,Peter is the best
Thank you Peter for this stream! For now, we wait along with you for the verdict!!👍👍👍
What I can’t understand is why the parents never mentioned that they had bought their son a handgun. When they were called in for that school meeting. If they had, his bag would have immediately been searched, therefore not leading and in fact, stopping/preventing this horrific tragedy.
The parents didn’t even want to be there. Dad could have taken Ethan with him on his door dash runs but he just didn’t care. And THAT is why they didn’t offer ANY info- they simply don’t care about their kid. Narcissists are incapable of love. This is what that looks like.
Thanks peter
Thank you for the gifted membership
will look forward to hearing from Whitney!
According to the Detroit Free Press, the jury asked a question in private. It was answered and they asked for further deliberation time
Great video
New sub. From Fontana Ca. I like your style of explaining all the little details .
Hey I lived in Fontana I'm in Georgia now can't wait to get back .❤
@user-rr2hv2ei3w Just as always ,wind is blowing strong today.
Oh Peter! So glad you said that about kids! I do not, however, believes all parents feel that….sad
I hope this trial changes some school policies.
The difference may come down to the defense lawyers.
SO SAD I MISSED THIS LIVE 😢
Thanks!
Thank you for the gifted membership !!! SO excited to be a part of you all ! 🤍
Thankyou for following Preston Lord.So sad😢
😂😂😂Can't believe I was wrong! So much for 15 minutes Peter, thanks for the extra time.❤
Thank you as always Peter! I still feel an NG is on the table. Enjoy your evening!
Is it me or did this case go by really fast?
This is a very interesting case! In South Africa, our laws on gun ownership seem to be much stricter than the USA. It’s much more difficult in South Africa to get a gun licence to be able to legally own a gun. Like the USA, we have the right to have arms, but we cannot just walk into a gun shop and buy a gun. Yes we do have a lot of crime but not school shootings like in the USA. We had a recent case where a child tried to shoot the teachers at his school and it was big news as it is so rare here. We are waiting to see if his father will be held accountable because the law requires the owner to have the gun secured at all times. So it must either be in the safe locked away (and the only person with the key or combination must be the gun owner), or physically on the person.
My personal opinion is the child would have potentially tried to get a kitchen knife to harm the teachers had he not managed to get the gun. I don’t know anyone on this earth who secures kitchen knives. Same as Ethan, what would have stopped Ethan getting a kitchen knife if he could not get the gun? Would they still have gone after his parents had it been a knife?!
Ethan’s parents were negligent but I’m just not sure if I agree that they are guilty on involuntary manslaughter.
Thanks for covering these two truals. I am very torn about this. As a oarent who survived my kids teen years i really have trouble with the parents being charged.
This case stands out bc 1) the shooter lived 2) the parents were aware + knew he was a troubled teen 3) they literally bought him the gun……4) the parents ran + had to be chased ……all these mean the parents were charged 1st time!
I feel that Jennifer sealed her own fate. To use a word I don't like using...it was absolutely stupid when she was asked if she could go back, would she change anything. She said NO. WHAT???? 4 young people lost their lives, several others were shot & everyone connected to those families or anyone in the school will be changed forever. Even in her own life, she will be in prison. How on earth could she say no? I was utterly shocked when I heard her say that! I would imagine James was smart enough to know how Jennifer's mouth did her in making him decide not to testify.
I agree with what I have seen several people here say. I am from Michigan and have had hunters around me all my life, including my husband. But this gun he used is not a gun for hunting.
GUILTY ON ALL 4 COUNTS, IN AT 7:30 PM
Hi Peter & CYK.
Guilty as from beginning. Whole family is messed up!!
IMO, the counselor wasn't doing much to address the teachers' emails/concerns, or taking them very seriously either, until maybe that fateful last day, & even then idk why he couldn't have consulted with school security or kept EC in his office til school was out, and he's a trained professional! So idk why the parents are being held responsible for the way things happened after leaving the school, because I believe the Mom agreed to call someone to get him help the following day, once the school informed her that there was a concern. Why didn't the counselor ask her to get help for EC after the first email about looking at bullets? Yes they were busy, maybe not great parents, but I think the school holds much more blame in ignoring concerned teachers & not doing more leading up to the shooting.
I saw on another lawyer's channel that there was a jury question. They are dealing with it in the jury room. The judge did say that all questions and playback of testimony could be done in the jury room.
Verdict’s in!
37:45 That school counsellor is clearly CYA. I'm sure he is traumatized by it all but his perpetually pained face while on the stand didn't sit well with me and him just briefly catching Ethan in the hallway between classes for a 7 second "conversation" was pathetic.
It’s impossible to know everything your child is doing/ thinking/ feeling but there are a lot of parents who don’t try or pay attention. There are many situations where there is serious calls for helping, behaviour changes/ issues, and mood changes that a lot of parents ignore because they can’t be bothered and that needs to change. Maybe potential repercussions like this may open some parent’s eyes and encourage them to actually try. During the moms trial there were texts to dad expressing concern and freaking out because Ethan wasn’t home from school yet and dad didn’t pick him up- obviously she was concerned about something so why didn’t she try to get help and support for him to figure out what was going on. Bottom line is this is extremely devastating and heartbreaking.
QUESTION would we know if the jury has come back already and said we can’t agree and she sent them back to continue to try?
I think the witnesses from the school staff are more interested in evading accountability rather than testifying honestly.
They claim the drawing did not give them reasonable suspicion to do a bag search, but then try to infer the exact same drawing should have prompted the parents to immediately take him home.
Not sure where I stand on the dad buying him a gun. I’m from Australia (a country with very strict gun control) so to me it feels very uncomfortable that the dad bought him a gun, especially considering his mental and emotional issues. But, where they live it seems culturally normal as a leisure activity and obviously legal. So the mindset it making that decision would be different.
Most parents would agree that teenage years are difficult at best. I had one honest child and one who would lie convincingly to our face. Tried everything but at no point did I feel we had a real handle on what was happening in the teenage life. Drugs, zero communication, defiance, constant emotional highs and lows - truth be I'm not sure as a parent I would have seen a bigger picture. He did not flag prior alert within the school.
I would be so mad the news showed my face if I were a juror!
I'm torn as I could see how they could vote either way. I think that there was a TONNE of negligence. But, was what transpired foreseeable? It is beyond ridiculous that he thought putting the unlocked gun in an open wardrobe and the bullets in another open place underneath some jeans meant that they were "hidden". Ridiculous.
If it wasn't foreseeable, does it need to be well hidden?
@@amandamacabre For general gun safety? YES. That is not a secure way to store a firearm and ammunition for any household.
@@jovicrazed there was no law requiring it to be hidden or locked up though.
@@amandamacabre So what? Doesn’t mean one isn’t negligent. Lots of negligent things happen that don’t have specific corresponding laws.
@@jovicrazed well the case was about if the parents could FORESEE what Ethan would do and if you don't think it was foreseeable and they didn't break a law, what are they guilty of? If you're keeping your gun accessible in case of something like a home invasion and you're legally allowed to, that's not inherently negligent
what is the members club do?
“Only gonna be here 15 minutes or so”….. lol that’s cute
RIGHT!! Love, LYK
And it goes on an hour and fifteen!😄
I’ll tell you exactly what is going on! If they don’t reach a verdict today by end of day… they will come back on Monday and same thing will go on, it is a whole room of younger men gun owners saying “this could be me and my son” vs a “responsible older grandpa man” gun owner saying “that kid (James ) should’ve locked that gun up and gotten his son help! . And -- it will be told to the judge they are deadlocked bc of that one holdout!
I agree with you on this , lots of gun owners in MI this is a tough one. Can't wait to see the outcome on this trial .
No women on the jury? As an “ older woman “ I would find him not guilty, as I would have with Jennifer. Where does the blame stop?
@@kazbee6978ur joking? The blame stops with parents not ACTIVELY neglecting their children’s mental health and instead placing a deadly weapon in their mentally ill child’s hands. Heck the bar shouldn’t even be THAT high. The endless stories of children gaining access to their parents G U N S and then accidentally ending their sibling/friend because of it is still practically a daily thing in America. If a parent can’t be bothered to lock it up then THEY should get locked up. Y’all have no sense of personal responsibility 🙄
@@kazbee6978 I believe the jury make up is six men and six women
Tomorrow's Friday....
So long? I don’t think so it’s a complicated case
Hi megan ga here also
WaPo just reported he was found guilty. It's 4:30pm Pacific Time.
50:43 In a nutshell, I think the conviction does serve to deter nonchallant parents (as Jennifer C would say) from carelessly storing weapons while living with a troubled child or children. Conviction may also force parents to review their relationships with their own kids and not standby with laissez fait attitude - thereby ignoring pleas for help and just hoping issues resolve themselves.
Ugh, so I’m watching this video, patiently awaiting the verdict and the verdict pops up in a NewsBreak notification 😩😩😩
Or maybe knowing they can be held responsible, they do a better job of parenting!
He really changed his demeanor when he was found guilty not poor me anymore
What is ysl case
I have owned a gun for many years. It stayed under lock and key. They never knew. And we communicated all the time. Dinner all the gadgets phones were put away. Mom and daughter's time.
I agree with Camille in tge live chat. There wouldn't be this trial if the prosecutor wasn't running for govenor.
Is the prosecutor running for governor though? Rep or Dem? I'm from Michigan and haven't heard her name being kicked around.
Aren't the counselor and the dean of student still in the middle of being charged in civil court by victims' parents? If so, they would both be very careful about what they say in court.
Hi from Sweden....uou should watch Karen Read...
Do all of the jurors have to be a yes or no or is it majority
I'm on the re-watch crew,so assume that a verdict was reached since you were here much longer than the 15-20 minutes offered in the intro 😂😂😂
James should have locked up the gun, with the cable lock and stored in a locking box. Seriously irresponsible!
I started out with a semi firm not guilty, but I am a strong guilty.
Both Def Lawyers sought out the parents to represent them. I’ve been waiting for this for two yrs!
Sucks for Jennifer crumbley that she got sought out by such a hack then lol
@@newname4405it will be pretty wild if the dad gets found not guilty after mom was convicted...
In South Africa our children can only vote at age of 18, buy a gun at 18, go to a bar at 18, get a car lisence at 18!! Buy liquor at 18.😅
Not sure they can find him not guilty since he was in the house as was the mom. She was found guilty.
Trial Set for Tracy Ferriter July 12th Boy in the Box
Guilty!
No change
When James and Jennifer Crumley heard and were notified of Active Shooter at their son’s school, they DID NOT RUN TO THE SCHOOL TO FIND OUT IF THEIR SON WAS SAFE. All parents were there, but not them!!!
Ethan was neglected.
I do believe the parents are guilty of that.
I think Ethan would have done something like this at some point. Even without the purchase of a gun. He wanted to see people suffer.
Them buying him the gun enabled him to do this. Just truly sad.
I was also thinking about the way I do my parenting... It may also be because i've done half of what they are already trying to plan to do, and I catch them before they can do it. 😂 I've never done anything really bad, (just normal not thinking ahead, kid stuff), but I don't trust any teenagers... Not even my own a hundred percent, it's like a 70/30 situation until they prove me wrong.
I had a HS student turn in a paper titled “My Day of Hell”. It was an assignment about their school day. I took paper to the principal; mom called; had meeting w mom and all teachers. This boy had serious mental issues the school DID NOT KNOW about. The mother told us about him; took him out of school and he went to in-patient treatment center. The mother accepted responsibility and got help for her child.
I think they are equally culpable…he begged for therapy, the gun was bought physically by dad, but I think Mom bought the bullets, and neither of them made sure the gun was secured.
On the order of no phone privileges how can he refuse to do that? Shouldn’t he catch a contempt charge?
Judge Gull ruled no cameras in that trial. (Delphi)
Please follow the Karen Reed case.
They’re definitely our lines, Peter and you keep saying 16 you can’t control your kid but wasn’t he like 13 years old when they bought him this gun that is exceptionally young to buy a child that kind of weapon I could be wrong and you do like disagreement so
Multiple charges take time.
Would like to fillow the YSL trail with you from South Africa
YSL?
Guilty
I wonder if they plan on charging every parent if their kids kills someone.
I think Jennifer’s attorney hurt her more than helped🤷🏻♀️
You didn't speed anymore.... That night. :-)
"we will be here 10-15 min" me looking at the 1 hour vid lol
If mom has been found guilty, the dad surely must be!
How can this be a fair trail after the mothers conviction?
Crumbley verdict coming in now 7:05 pm est
Jennifer
I didn’t listen to the whole trial. Were there the crazy text messages from dad to son like there was with mom? And the whole testimony about hearing voices had to be a joke hurt Jennifer. The testimony I watched James sounded more caring. I do think that if jurors know mom was guilty then it would sway the verdict. Jennifer for all her crying in court came across as a very uncaring parent. I still get fired up about letting Ethan know that he was a mistake or however she put it.
Peter, we have a verdict!! As if you or John will see it here 😂
I don’t know who is more culpable, but James Lawyer made him look like a caring parent with the I love yous and the frantic 911 call & Jen came across as an uncaring narcissist
Few people know that teen years are common for psychosis/schizophrenia manifests.
As part of health instruction, schools should instruct children about mental illness. My parents used to argue about what caused my mother’s mental illness. My father said, “It’s your mother’s fault!” My mother said, “It’s your fault! You drove me crazy!” Students should be taught: mental illness is nobody’s fault; it’s an illness some people have. Students should learn: symptoms, treatment, what symptoms should be reported to a teacher or counselor.
@@PatriciaKeel-ig9ni parents need to learn about childhood trauma and how that plus genetics causes mental illness. What an adult considers trauma and what is traumatic for a child are two different things. I have D.I.D., CPTSD, MDD.
Verdict is in
If the dad gets off & the mom doesnt i will be flat out flabbergasted.