I’ve never commented on your videos until now. You cannot fully appreciate how refreshing your candour is. You are more than a reviewer. You come across like a really good friend who is trying to help me make a well informed decision. So, thank you for that. I cannot wait until you can get your hands on the new/next generation Civic.
That salt spray warning couldn't be more spot on, where I used to live, every car I owned for 6 years had some sort of rust that I couldn't keep up with.
In Germany some places in Bavaria used pickle brine this year to de-ice the roads. Worked very well and it reduces the amount of chloride in the mix by 30%.
That salt spray is like dust. Thanks to work at home, I was able to avoid driving when it was snowing this past winter. I would drive once the roads were completely dry, and clear of ice and snow. After a highway drive, the my car would still get covered in that salt spray. However, I presume that stuff is harmless if it lands on your car under dry conditions, correct? I thought that rust occurs when you get snow mixed with salt. Anyway, I'm just going to assume that Toyota does a good job with rust protection. I bought my Toyota brand new in 2009, and it's always been in Ohio. No rust on the body, just a little bit of surface rust on some undercarriage parts.
Man I just gotta say, I love the little history lessons you include with these cars about the development of their systems and stuff. I always watch even if I don't want the car, just to get info about the way the industry is going and how x car compares to y competitor. I really love your channel!
We have a 19 hybrid touring and love it. You have to keep in mind that when you are accelerating, the gas engine is only producing electricity. It is basically an electric car that gets its electricity from an onboard gas generator. That’s why you get the motor boat constant high rpm sound on full throttle. It is cranking out a lot of electricity. The electric motor is doing all the acceleration. For fun drives we have an NC manual that we can row the gears 😊
I like blending in with my dark grey sedan. Unlike my ex who drove a highlighter yellow coupe to signal to potential predators that she was straight poison.
Glad you did a review of a Honda with MMD. I recently purchased a current gen Insight with this system, which happens to also be my first Honda and brand new car. Having had my share of sporty cars (WRX, RX-8, 3000GT, and a few others), I can say that the Insight is a bit of a change in pace, maybe literally. Yet, I've come to the realization that for the types of driving I do, the Insight is perhaps the closest I could get to the perfect car for me. There's very little to gripe about, especially compared to all my previous cars. Plenty of useful features, and zero gimmicks. Probably unlike most people who buy hybrids, the main reason I decided to go with one, and this system in particular, is that while hybrids may be technically sophisticated, they're quite simple mechanically. The only potential wear item in the MMD transmission is one clutch pack. That's less than the clutch and synchros in a manual box, nevermind all the stuff in an automatic. It's also easier on the engine, as it can control the loads placed on it better. Then to top it off, there's less brake wear due to regen, no traditional starter or alternator. Not even a serpentine belt because all the accessories are now electric. The only hybrid that's arguably simpler mechanically is the one found in the standard Prius and Ford products, but I find that the benefits of the MMD is a worthwhile tradeoff (all-electric mode is pretty nice). If the Prius is anything to go by, then certain hybrid systems are among the most reliable drivetrains out there. As for the Insight specifically, I find the ride quality to be surprisingly good. It's not the quietest, but the damping is far better than anything I've ever had, and the handling surprised me on a few occasions, including a quick evasive maneuver on the highway at 80mph to avoid a tumbleweed that was without any drama - no chassis unsettling - or even tire squeal despite riding on low friction tires. In fact, turning at certain speeds is far more effortless than my WRX was, which is also helped by the variable ratio steering rack. I wouldn't mind seeing SG review one. Especially since there aren't many out there.
The insight is now axed though. But it's not all doom and gloom as the Insight will be replaced by a Civic Hybrid, which I hope will be a hatchback, which would be more practical.
@@dragospahontu The new Camry making a return to Europe means that there's still some demand for Japanese sedans as well. Sadly it's a market dominated by SUVs though, and Honda probably makes a lot more money selling CR-Vs.
@@villLe that's also true, but the Lexus RX makes only 2% of the premium SUV sales in Germany. The new Highlander in Europe costs as much as an X3 which is a segment under and has less options, but the vast majority will buy the premium brand suv.
@@tomtomasz9798 dude it's so much cheaper for fleets to buy Passat's than Camry's, it's like 40% more for the Toyota. No wonder the market is dominated.
Sadly the goose is spot on about the seats.I have a 2020 model and that by far is my biggest dislike. I had to purchase a memory foam car seat as added padding. I’m hoping that with time the leather will become supple.
Got over 50K miles on my 2018 Accord Touring 1.5T/CVT and still loving it. Getting 36 MPG on average, no major issues with it so far, and the cabin is a high-quality place to spend my 75 mile per day commute. Main gripe: the top end sound system is subpar.
It shines on classical orchestral music. Very full spectrum of sound. Pop mixes are simple top and bottom but the Honda system treats top, middle and bottom with the same emphasis. Listen to Star Wars or something like that and it's impressive.
I never understood people saying that. When sedans filled companies lineups nobody said oh look another cookie cutter sedan. Even though when I look back at old photos of cars I literally cant tell the difference between them.
@@baronvonjo1929 Honda used to line their pockets with the run of the mill accords. Plain, efficient, reliable, comfy, roomy. Honda also used to make the *Accord Coupe* with upgraded V6, 6 speed close ratio manual, long nose, tight thicc ass, pimped interior, nice wheels (17-19"), summer tires, and twin chrome tail pipes. They look great, they're fast, they're fun (and have better suspension). They even made an anniversary edition in 2006/07 with a bump in power from higher compression and an upgraded manual. 2008-2012 dealers had a dealer-installed aero and suspension package. 2013-2015 had more power, better gearbox, less weight, and 16-17 had a full tech package on top of it. There WAS something fun, to talk about, to be a halo accord. They dumped that, and pushed this dishwasher of a vehicle.
@@wilurbean I mean they made a 2.0t manual and then barely anyone bought it the sad part is that nobody wants a midsize sedan anymore, let alone a sporty one
Bought the same Accord hybrid touring, changed from 19 to 17 wheels , bought a space saver spare tire, better ride and higher mpg. Bought seat cushion for the time being, until the leather breaks in. Wish it was a phev like the Clarity.My Wife loves the normal , symmetrical dash and controls.
@@calebdavies526 it's not a belt and pulley CVT. It's an generator creating electricity for a large electric motor, which means the "shifts" can be very fast.
MARK! Such a great review. As a cult-level-obsessed owner of a 2000 Honda Insight it is great to hear your reference to Honda's hybrid beginnings. This review is so well done, clearly explained, with great history, humor, etc. as always. Thanks for what you do!
My wife and I got the 2015 brand new, still have it and no real problems. She drives it to work and once in a while when I jump in it, I get impressed with its fun character, the immediate torque delivery AND great mileage. No compromises, except the rear seats in the old don’t drop down. Which is not an issue on the new ones. But for me cargo capability doesn’t matter because we have a Toyota Tundra as well. The Accord Hybrid is an inexpensive, actually quite fun, sporty and comfortable car. After all these years we are impressed with its dependability and we still like it a lot.
@@Saturdayz_In_The_Fall I think his main point is to show the headlights and tail lights and the overall look of the car. Sometimes he does things that are annoying, but it's good to have balance between multiple reviewers too. :)
I have a 2021 Accord Sport lease for my DD and I love it. $275 a month is a steal for the car. I have a 2020 Charger Hellcat and I keep using the Accord more and more. Probably, has something to do with 8mpg
My recommendation has been to always start with Camry. if you want more spacious interior, better interior quality, and drive sportier, then get an Accord. This is coming from a 2020 Touring Hyrbrid Accord owner Lol
2017 Accord Hybrid owner here. I get similar MPGs during the winter. (~36-38MPG). Its easy to push 50 during the summer. Makes me want to move to a warmer climate.
My sister wanted to buy a CRV, I talk her to buy an Accord instead so she tried both and got impressed about this one, since she’s not going to do the shenanigans I’ll do the engine noise will never be an issue and the fuel consumption is way better than the CRV AWD
Hey SG, I am 21 years old and find your videos very relaxing to watch and "dry" humor very unique. Maybe I am more mature but your content is exactly what I need.
showing and talking about the underside of the car in the snow earned you a follow. i haven’t thought about just how bad it can be under there and i live in western new york. im looking for my first car and you’ve convinced me to look into getting a proper undercoat if that’s possible and getting regular car washes.
I had a 2015 Accord (base trim) and I could get 46mpg on the highway. It was incredible. I have to admit that I needed to set the cruise control to 65mph to get over 45mpg. I cannot imagine how fuel-efficient this hybrid model is.
9:48 True! It’s horrible that this generation Accord is not selling as well as the 9th gen did. This is the hands down the best Accord ever made and designed.
I got a shuttle ride to work from the service deep. in the new Odyssey this morning. Honda is doing something right. I don't even like minivans, and I was in my feelings a bit.
That salt gives me convulsions. It's even caked on the springs in the back. Like there is no way I'd bring my Mazda out in that, there's no way I could afford the damage. I always wondered why you drove a 90's civic but now I know why. Theres no way I could afford a brand new car out in the midwest. Damn.
I thought the same, immediately thought ‘aftermarket pep boys wheels’ when i saw them in the exterior intro. Like what happened to Honda making just classic clean 5 spoke wheels? Like what the 3G TL debuted with. I may be biased as I daily a ‘04 TL but i think the wheels still look fantastic (and bonus show off the factory brembos)
Eleven years ago, I was looking at hybrids, because both my wife and I had long commutes. I cross shopped the Honda Insight and Toyota Prius. The engine stop/start on the Honda was a total deal breaker. It was so abrupt and jarring that I couldn't see driving it every day. The seats weren't good either, but the seats in the Gen II Prius I bought were actually worse. eleven years and 246,000 miles later, I don't regret that decision. Fortunately, I bought a fun car, and gifted the Prius to my kids, who summarily destroyed it. I miss getting fifty mpg, but I don't miss anything else about it. Mark's comments about Illinois road salt are spot-on. I had a nice MINI Cooper S. I refused to drive it in winter. Wifey never did understand that. I don't care what you drive; if you love it and want to keep it, get yourself a winter beater if you live in the rust belt.
Honda's "eCVT" in the MMD hybrid is even less of a CVT than the one in Toyota hybrids. It's just a bunch of fixed reduction gears, and one clutch pack that connects the engine to the wheels during higher speed cruising. If you really want to know more, just search youtube for "Weber Auto Honda e-drive" for a good transmission teardown and explanation.
@@alexnutcasio936 I know but for a 16 year old car to have almost no rust is a slated area is really good. I had a Ford Escape that rotted the whole subframe away and then had two, 6 inch whole in the rear frame.
Was disappointed to see that the new wheel/rim designs that come standard on this mid-cycle refreshed Accord are such an eye-sore compared to what was offered originally. 😭Looking forward to the new Civic sedan/hatchback review❗️
The Honda hybrid system does not use a CVT. Weber auto has a full teardown and you can see fully that it is a single gear ratio actual geared "transmission".
Great review as always, next car is probably going to be a hybrid like it or not. I think you guys have created a new category for Patagonia, UA-cam auto reviewers!
Their comments regarding the drive system are trivial. The sound of the ICE engine in this system is a function of the system design. The Honda Accord hybrid system essentially functions exactly like an EV below 45 mph. The ICE is primarily a generator of electricity for the electric drive motor. The system is ingenious and much more drivable than Toyota's system. You especially notice it when coming to a stop. Very linear. Once you accept how the ICE functions in the system, the sound is reassuring. AND there is more than adequate power. 6.5 seconds to 60. Good amount of instant torque.
I doubt very few owners will be running around a lot in sport mode. The whole point of a hybrid is to maximize fuel efficiency. If you want true sporty driving get the 2.0 Turbo model.
@@jeffmorse645 the Accord hybrid has better power than the 1.5L turbo. 232 pound feet of torque which is pretty decent. 0-60 in the mid 6 seconds. Again, pretty decent. But, yes, if one wants more power the 2.0L turbo has it but I'd want AWD or RWD for that.
Great job, as usual. Some of those comments remind me of why I'll be selling or trading in my Prius for a WRX. The Prius is clearly the better commuter and everyday driver in the boring midwest, but man is it boring!
You don’t need to go all out and get the top trim. I’d buy the trim just below it, the EX-L, which is around 32k. You get the leather, wireless CarPlay etc. all you need.
Thank you very much for your thoughs about people in cold areas. Most people even don't mention us as customers. All thier live is going in warm districts and they even don't know about our probems.
As a former Illinoisan... That salt just makes me cringe! You're exactly correct Goose, If you have a vehicle you love or can keep for a long time, you just have to park it in the garage. As far as the car is concerned, the sound, CVT and iPad on the dash kill it for me. I do think the style is the best or all Honda's, but that's it. The upcoming Mazda 6 is going to be the sedan to get.
Sometimes I think it'd be nice to live in the Northeast and see all the seasons play out. That is, until I see a shot underneath the cars that are driven there and the desire evaporates. Shoveling snow, slipping on ice, putting the fun car away for half the year are all things I have no interest in dealing with. There's no question you have to be tough to live year-round in a place like your area. I'll deal with brutally hot summers for the nice autumn and winter months.
Yeah, there's absolutely nothing to envy about having all seasons. The snow is pretty for a day or two, but then it gets slushy and everything is just a fucking mess. Winter is one of the most insufferable times of year. Unbearably cold weather, nasty winds, cars don't like it, there's a aura of death in the air. I hate winter. It's just now starting to warm up again and I'm already complaining about next winter.
In Georgia we only have 4 or 5 trucks to spread salt. And they were mostly parked this year. No snow. They can hardly get salt on one lane of interstate if it snows. No worries with salt down here.
I drove this body Honda Accord new a few months ago. It is everything Mark and Jack say it is. If you want a great daily vehicle then the Accord is an amazing car for that. I would personally get it with a manual but that is rare. But then again what kind of manual car isn't rare now a days?
Short and to the point - it's an Accord, it's tried and true, it's been updated, but people aren't buying sedans like we used to, despite how much roomier this is than a CRV and that it can fit a car seat and cargo just as well. I think the only thing missing from this review is what comes with the Touring trim - you mentioned the dampers and "cooled front seats", but there's also a HUD, heated rear seats, rain sending wipers, auto high beams (underrated until you have them and now I refuse to go back), standard parking sensors, side mirrors with auto tilt on reverse.. Aside from sound system and dashboard materials, it's pretty much a TLX. The bang-for-buck in the Touring trim can't be overstated but at $132/m (72m) more than the Sport trim, I think people should really see what they're missing and figure out if their budget allows for it. I'm in a 2016 Touring and I can't see myself ever going lower in trims now that I've had it for 2 years.
Can't agree with the comment about the stiff uncomfortable seats. To my legs and back these are extremely supportive and the best in the Honda/Acura range at least. (I haven't been in as many different cars.) I've driven 34 hours basically nonstop a dozen times with no leg or back fatigue. They feel just right. I guess your mileage may vary, so to speak.
I'm surprised you didn't beat on the stereo system, which is the worst thing about this car. As for the seats, I found them super soft and comfortable. Not mazda6 or nissan altima comfortable but better than the new camry and k5. After 10 mins of driving the camry, I couldn't handle the hard, flat seats. Body type does play a role though.
I just took my wife's ES300H on an 800 mile drive. Mostly cruise control at 80 mph. 47.5mpg for the trip. She has 17" wheels. I can bet the Honda would get quite a bit lower mileage.
Our(Edmund's)2018 Honda Accord EX-L stickered for $30,865, including destination. Over the course of a year, we added 13,302 miles to our odometer. In this condition, the Edmunds TMV Calculator valued the Accord at $23,815 based on a private-party sale. That works out to 22.8% depreciation, which is slightly worse than the fleet average of 22% average. The depreciation level is even worse when you consider that the majority of our cars pass the 20,000-mile mark. Edmund's longterm Accord
I've been considering an Insight, any chance of reviewing one? I've read that under special conditions the battery can deplete and power and economy plummets, have you guys heard that?
I just posted a comment about my Insight, and I too suggested SG review it. I have not heard about battery depletion, or at least not where it's a common issue. There were some service bulletins regarding the HV power converter, but afaik, only some models were affected, and they were repaired under warranty. If you mean efficiency specifically, then it's common to get worse economy in extreme weather, but that applies to all cars to a certain extent, though hybrids suffer a little more in terms of percentage. You' still get better MPG than a non-hybrid, though. And yeah, I also think the Insight is more attractive all-around than the Accord!
Excellent review. If I am trying to decide on Accord Hybrid EX-L or Touring and Camry Hybrid XLE, which would I be happier with from a highway cruising interior noise level? If I go Accord, I may switch out the 19" wheels and tires for the 17" for lower noise and better mpg.
Exactly my thoughts on the wheels and tires. You can probably get a pretty good price for the stock wheels and tires when they're new. For a quieter, smoother ride and better MPG it seems like a no-brainer swap. Its a hybrid after all - should be going for the best MPG option or just get the gas version.
I own an accord hybrid sport--its great around town, but on highway the noise level is high and I only get around 37 mpg doing 75mph. Camry is better for high speed highway driving. In you're willing to keep it under 70 mph the Accord will get 43 mpg.
Honda could have added the Acura Sport Hybrid powertrain with sh-awd, 7DCT, 3 electric motors, adds 64hp/71tq to any engine, and same city/combine/hwy mpgs. Acura stopped using this powertrain with the last gen of MDX/RLX/NSX vehicles and it is just sitting on the shelf. It would turn the Accord mpg hybrid into a performance hybrid.
Long live the Accord! And yes, the wheels are ghastly. I rode in a friend's 2015 Accord Sport and found the ride a bit jarring and the seating position not too good. And synthetic noise? No. Had an EV that sounded like a spaceship below 20 MPH and could not turn it off or disable it. But aside from that longish rant, it's nice to see Honda is still selling it after what will soon be 50 years since it first came to the US. It was great then and still seems pretty darn good now.
For those of us that prefer sedans, manufacturers are missing an opportunity by not providing the same drivetrains as they do for crossovers/SUVs. If Toyota offered a Camry (or Avalon) with the same drivetrain and plug-in capability as the RAV4 Prime (Plug-in Hybrid AWD), I would upgrade tomorrow. I agree about the seats in the Accord. Not great if you have back problems.
I’ve had Honda’s in Philly for a long time. Not any rust at all on my 05 accord, 03 Acura TL those both lasted over 15 years with me as one owner vehicles no major accident repairs either and I thought they did well back then. An older 1990 civic I had was much more prone to rust like it’s exhaust system. Then my moms 2010 civic has some minimal rust on a panel that was repaired after an accident. But in my experience their cars were good though out the 2000s. I did how ever think there was a large difference in quality between accords and civics in the 2000s. Accords felt much more substantial in the old days. Now days both civic and accords feel very solid but there is less of a difference in quality. Shows how far the compact segment has progressed over the years.
11. Honda Accord • Most common complaint: Service brakes (9 complaints) • Total complaints 41 • 2019 sales (through Q3): 204,463 • Vehicle type: Mid-size sedan Among the 41 complaints about the 2019 Honda Accord filed with the NHTSA, the highest total were in regards to the brakes - specifically the automatic braking system. Several drivers reported the system automatically braking when there was no need. USAToday
I got a 10th gen Civic and here are my 2 cents on some of the tec that's common in current day Hondas: - I haven't noticed any intrusion from the Lane Keep Assisst. Tho the steering seems a little vague, it feels very neutral to me. The car is going exactly where I point it. Mind you, I got my car this year and winter hasn't given me any opportunity to go wild on a twisty road. - The Start/Stop engine vibration is a good thing as far as I'm concerned, but maybe that's because I have a manual gearbox and to me that feedback is important for effective gear engagement when getting off the stop lights. CVT owners might find that useless, hence annoying, I guess.
I was actually in the market for a 2021 Honda Accord Hybrid, this exact one. There just happens to be a Kia dealership on the same street so I just thought I'd give it a shot. I ended up liking the K5 better. It also gets better MPG as well, which is crazy. I think the Kia K5 ride quality is somewhere between the Camry and the Accord. It's more comfortable than the Accord but not as floaty as the Camry. I was also able to get a much better deal with the K5 since there was a pretty significant sale and dealer discount, but I'm sure they always have some sort of promotions going on. Anyone who is set on a car that they like should really go and test out the competition. You may find something that surprises you. The competition is changing extremely fast nowadays, an automaker that used to be good last year may not be as good anymore this year, and vice versa.
Thoughts on the addition of Sport Hybrid trim? Does lack safety items found in Touring, like cross-traffic alert, blind-spot monitoring, and parking sensors. But, styling is Sport-worthy and good price point.
"small and light is herpes to people" - that line got me good
and it's like cocaine to me.
If small and light cars are herpes to people, then I'd conclude that people are herpes.
lol... and i prefer I be the herpes over being among the people.. proudly driving a 2020 Civic Hatchback EX-L right now :)
@@youryoui524 to be fair the civic isn’t small at all lol
I burst laughing
I’ve never commented on your videos until now. You cannot fully appreciate how refreshing your candour is. You are more than a reviewer. You come across like a really good friend who is trying to help me make a well informed decision. So, thank you for that. I cannot wait until you can get your hands on the new/next generation Civic.
Totally agree.
"NPC White"
This is the content I come here for. fucking love this channel lmao.
the kind of quote you would expect from regular car reviews
What's the NPC color difference ?
@@ag4eng Non-Playable Character in a videogame. Uninteresting and basic, a jab at people who buy white cars.
@@SolarMoth i mean I'll give pearl white a pass
h'es the best, simple as that.
That salt spray warning couldn't be more spot on, where I used to live, every car I owned for 6 years had some sort of rust that I couldn't keep up with.
My state actually stopped using the spray and went back to rock salt. It was rusting out the plow trucks too quickly
In Germany some places in Bavaria used pickle brine this year to de-ice the roads. Worked very well and it reduces the amount of chloride in the mix by 30%.
You'd love Oregon. Zero salt used on roads. We have old Japanese cars galore out here.
That salt spray is like dust. Thanks to work at home, I was able to avoid driving when it was snowing this past winter. I would drive once the roads were completely dry, and clear of ice and snow. After a highway drive, the my car would still get covered in that salt spray. However, I presume that stuff is harmless if it lands on your car under dry conditions, correct? I thought that rust occurs when you get snow mixed with salt. Anyway, I'm just going to assume that Toyota does a good job with rust protection. I bought my Toyota brand new in 2009, and it's always been in Ohio. No rust on the body, just a little bit of surface rust on some undercarriage parts.
@@hamsterama Ya I think you should be fine, all my experiences have been mixed with snow. I used to live in Alberta, Canada.
Man I just gotta say, I love the little history lessons you include with these cars about the development of their systems and stuff. I always watch even if I don't want the car, just to get info about the way the industry is going and how x car compares to y competitor. I really love your channel!
We have a 19 hybrid touring and love it. You have to keep in mind that when you are accelerating, the gas engine is only producing electricity. It is basically an electric car that gets its electricity from an onboard gas generator. That’s why you get the motor boat constant high rpm sound on full throttle. It is cranking out a lot of electricity. The electric motor is doing all the acceleration.
For fun drives we have an NC manual that we can row the gears 😊
I love NPC white - it makes me feel✨✨average✨✨
I like blending in with my dark grey sedan. Unlike my ex who drove a highlighter yellow coupe to signal to potential predators that she was straight poison.
@@davidwing8879 isn't yellow what that color is for? Should be called poison-dart frog yellow.
Subscribing to this channel made my wife love me again
Subscribing to this channel made _his_ wife love _me_ again.
LOL!
Glad you did a review of a Honda with MMD. I recently purchased a current gen Insight with this system, which happens to also be my first Honda and brand new car. Having had my share of sporty cars (WRX, RX-8, 3000GT, and a few others), I can say that the Insight is a bit of a change in pace, maybe literally. Yet, I've come to the realization that for the types of driving I do, the Insight is perhaps the closest I could get to the perfect car for me. There's very little to gripe about, especially compared to all my previous cars. Plenty of useful features, and zero gimmicks.
Probably unlike most people who buy hybrids, the main reason I decided to go with one, and this system in particular, is that while hybrids may be technically sophisticated, they're quite simple mechanically. The only potential wear item in the MMD transmission is one clutch pack. That's less than the clutch and synchros in a manual box, nevermind all the stuff in an automatic. It's also easier on the engine, as it can control the loads placed on it better. Then to top it off, there's less brake wear due to regen, no traditional starter or alternator. Not even a serpentine belt because all the accessories are now electric. The only hybrid that's arguably simpler mechanically is the one found in the standard Prius and Ford products, but I find that the benefits of the MMD is a worthwhile tradeoff (all-electric mode is pretty nice). If the Prius is anything to go by, then certain hybrid systems are among the most reliable drivetrains out there.
As for the Insight specifically, I find the ride quality to be surprisingly good. It's not the quietest, but the damping is far better than anything I've ever had, and the handling surprised me on a few occasions, including a quick evasive maneuver on the highway at 80mph to avoid a tumbleweed that was without any drama - no chassis unsettling - or even tire squeal despite riding on low friction tires. In fact, turning at certain speeds is far more effortless than my WRX was, which is also helped by the variable ratio steering rack.
I wouldn't mind seeing SG review one. Especially since there aren't many out there.
The insight is now axed though. But it's not all doom and gloom as the Insight will be replaced by a Civic Hybrid, which I hope will be a hatchback, which would be more practical.
Would love to see the Accord on the EU market again.
But it wouldn't sell that's why Honda pulled the plug, the market is dominated by domestic car brands.
@@dragospahontu The new Camry making a return to Europe means that there's still some demand for Japanese sedans as well. Sadly it's a market dominated by SUVs though, and Honda probably makes a lot more money selling CR-Vs.
u have nuke for Germany gov first?
@@villLe that's also true, but the Lexus RX makes only 2% of the premium SUV sales in Germany.
The new Highlander in Europe costs as much as an X3 which is a segment under and has less options, but the vast majority will buy the premium brand suv.
@@tomtomasz9798 dude it's so much cheaper for fleets to buy Passat's than Camry's, it's like 40% more for the Toyota.
No wonder the market is dominated.
Honda does some sexy stock rims
Thats why they get jacked all the time
yeah but they are HEAVYYYY
@@jhobaugh45 they are
@UCf9yrkAujNbncp6U0T5vG7A I believe they are if not stock is very similar. They are specific to the touring trim
@@RyGuyTheAVGuy Replacing my Si wheels with RPF1's saves 40 fuckin lbs, lmao
First a Pacifica, then an Accord Hybrid! I'm bursting out of my dad-jorts.
I wish Honda hadn't stopped producing Accord wagons. The 8th gen was the last time we saw them.
They didn't. It's called the Passport/Pilot.
@@alliejr I want to smoke the same stuff you do before hitting the comment section.
I miss the Accord Coupe.
I miss manuals
Hybrid Accord Wagon is close to a my dream car
Damn, never heard anyone call out the seats before - that's a HUGE deal... great callout Mark!
Don’t forget who’s flat paper butt we’re speaking of. Normal butt sized folks will be fine.
@@gene978 lol ok good point
@@twhalen Yikes... that's super disappointing :(
Sadly the goose is spot on about the seats.I have a 2020 model and that by far is my biggest dislike. I had to purchase a memory foam car seat as added padding. I’m hoping that with time the leather will become supple.
Got over 50K miles on my 2018 Accord Touring 1.5T/CVT and still loving it. Getting 36 MPG on average, no major issues with it so far, and the cabin is a high-quality place to spend my 75 mile per day commute. Main gripe: the top end sound system is subpar.
It shines on classical orchestral music. Very full spectrum of sound. Pop mixes are simple top and bottom but the Honda system treats top, middle and bottom with the same emphasis. Listen to Star Wars or something like that and it's impressive.
I believe that about musical tunes. My touring can’t handle subpar bass from hiphop or EDM songs. It starts to distort which is shameful
Finally.. another review of a traditional sedan instead of another cookie cutter CUV.
I never understood people saying that. When sedans filled companies lineups nobody said oh look another cookie cutter sedan. Even though when I look back at old photos of cars I literally cant tell the difference between them.
@@baronvonjo1929 Honda used to line their pockets with the run of the mill accords. Plain, efficient, reliable, comfy, roomy. Honda also used to make the *Accord Coupe* with upgraded V6, 6 speed close ratio manual, long nose, tight thicc ass, pimped interior, nice wheels (17-19"), summer tires, and twin chrome tail pipes. They look great, they're fast, they're fun (and have better suspension). They even made an anniversary edition in 2006/07 with a bump in power from higher compression and an upgraded manual. 2008-2012 dealers had a dealer-installed aero and suspension package. 2013-2015 had more power, better gearbox, less weight, and 16-17 had a full tech package on top of it.
There WAS something fun, to talk about, to be a halo accord. They dumped that, and pushed this dishwasher of a vehicle.
@@baronvonjo1929 Still better than crossovers.
@@wilurbean I mean they made a 2.0t manual and then barely anyone bought it
the sad part is that nobody wants a midsize sedan anymore, let alone a sporty one
CUVs sell. And they sell in droves.
Time for my usual coffee, pop tarts, and Savagegeese Monday...
Same! Best way to start Monday mornings 🤘🏼
Haha, fig bars for me, gotta get that fiber in your 30s. Happy monday.
Metoo but I add regular car reviews :)
Right?
That sounds exactly like how I start my Mondays: brew coffee, pop tarts in the toaster, Savagegeese, then off to work!
Bought the same Accord hybrid touring, changed from 19 to 17 wheels , bought a space saver spare tire, better ride and higher mpg. Bought seat cushion for the time being, until the leather breaks in. Wish it was a phev like the Clarity.My Wife loves the normal , symmetrical dash and controls.
Perfect car to not stand out.
I have an '07 Accord with 215,000 miles. It's bulletproof and still rides like a dream. Good work Honda!
That’s the best generation Accord. K24 with a 5 speed + double wishbone. Perfect.
7:32 Holy shit, it really does sound like an outboard motor.
Intolerable (for me). I would prefer to hear "fake shifts" (which are actual ratio changes) any day.
@@kenhoward3512 just use the paddle, lol
Or put it on sport, the car “shift” for you
@@olddog2706 Paddles are re-gen braking. I know, it needs virtual gear ratios.
id rather gently place a pen in my ear and slam it with a phonebook than listen to a CVT fake gears
@@calebdavies526 it's not a belt and pulley CVT. It's an generator creating electricity for a large electric motor, which means the "shifts" can be very fast.
MARK! Such a great review. As a cult-level-obsessed owner of a 2000 Honda Insight it is great to hear your reference to Honda's hybrid beginnings. This review is so well done, clearly explained, with great history, humor, etc. as always. Thanks for what you do!
No idea what you did for the picture quality, but it's OFF THE CHARTS on this video.
My wife and I got the 2015 brand new, still have it and no real problems. She drives it to work and once in a while when I jump in it, I get impressed with its fun character, the immediate torque delivery AND great mileage. No compromises, except the rear seats in the old don’t drop down. Which is not an issue on the new ones. But for me cargo capability doesn’t matter because we have a Toyota Tundra as well.
The Accord Hybrid is an inexpensive, actually quite fun, sporty and comfortable car. After all these years we are impressed with its dependability and we still like it a lot.
The absence of piano black is a big disappointment.
Stop it, car companies don't understand sarcasm.
No not funny
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The 19"rims on the 2021 Accord Hybrid drops the mpg down to the low 40s. Get a lower trim and you'll get 47-48 mpg much easier.
Redline reviews: I'm gonna park here with hazards on
Mother Goose: I'm not doing that shit.......
I never understand the hazard lights on in an empty parking lot while doing car reviews 😂😂
Redline Reviews is more like Redline Whines.
That guy prefers long walks on the beach with his husband rather than long drives on the interstate
@@Saturdayz_In_The_Fall I think his main point is to show the headlights and tail lights and the overall look of the car. Sometimes he does things that are annoying, but it's good to have balance between multiple reviewers too. :)
@@apocalypse487 Redwhine Reviews, he used to be good but now just hates everything
This guy is the best car reviewer on YT hands down.
These guys are the best car reviewers on YT hands down.
I have a 2021 Accord Sport lease for my DD and I love it. $275 a month is a steal for the car. I have a 2020 Charger Hellcat and I keep using the Accord more and more. Probably, has something to do with 8mpg
My recommendation has been to always start with Camry. if you want more spacious interior, better interior quality, and drive sportier, then get an Accord. This is coming from a 2020 Touring Hyrbrid Accord owner Lol
These reviews make me feel good
2017 Accord Hybrid owner here. I get similar MPGs during the winter. (~36-38MPG). Its easy to push 50 during the summer. Makes me want to move to a warmer climate.
Always really appreciate your well thought out and thorough reviews. Cheers, guys!
man this accord in general is just superb. They could have slapped a audi logo on it and sold it for 100k it looks so nice.
My sister wanted to buy a CRV, I talk her to buy an Accord instead so she tried both and got impressed about this one, since she’s not going to do the shenanigans I’ll do the engine noise will never be an issue and the fuel consumption is way better than the CRV AWD
I've driven nothing but FWD sedans in Canadian -40 weather. No problem at all. A good set of winter tires is better than AWD summer :)
I dont get the point of small cuv/suv i much rather get a sedan or if i really want a suv then its gotta be full size
Very well done, but I "ve never heard anyone complain about the seats before.
Hey SG, I am 21 years old and find your videos very relaxing to watch and "dry" humor very unique. Maybe I am more mature but your content is exactly what I need.
showing and talking about the underside of the car in the snow earned you a follow. i haven’t thought about just how bad it can be under there and i live in western new york. im looking for my first car and you’ve convinced me to look into getting a proper undercoat if that’s possible and getting regular car washes.
Last time I was this early the caption still read "In the Shoppe with Turbowski".
With that 80s intro song and clip?
I had a 2015 Accord (base trim) and I could get 46mpg on the highway. It was incredible. I have to admit that I needed to set the cruise control to 65mph to get over 45mpg. I cannot imagine how fuel-efficient this hybrid model is.
9:48 True! It’s horrible that this generation Accord is not selling as well as the 9th gen did. This is the hands down the best Accord ever made and designed.
I’ve had Accords and Si Civics,,,,never been let down.
I got a shuttle ride to work from the service deep. in the new Odyssey this morning. Honda is doing something right. I don't even like minivans, and I was in my feelings a bit.
Damn. Jack comes in like a wrecking ball. Well done, sir.
That salt gives me convulsions. It's even caked on the springs in the back. Like there is no way I'd bring my Mazda out in that, there's no way I could afford the damage. I always wondered why you drove a 90's civic but now I know why. Theres no way I could afford a brand new car out in the midwest. Damn.
New Mazdas don't rust.
i would lease cars if i was living in conditions like that tbh
At 5:31 it looks like Mark's head is going to perfectly fit into the undercarriage opening. I can hear the "woooshooop"
those wheels look like they came from the discount tire clearance rack.
Typical honda wheel choice. Edgy.
The new wheels are horrendous. I'd seriously have to ask the dealer or search online for pre-refresh Touring Wheels.
I actually really liked the previous touring wheels. I don't get why they did this
@@singular9 better than boring
I thought the same, immediately thought ‘aftermarket pep boys wheels’ when i saw them in the exterior intro. Like what happened to Honda making just classic clean 5 spoke wheels? Like what the 3G TL debuted with. I may be biased as I daily a ‘04 TL but i think the wheels still look fantastic (and bonus show off the factory brembos)
Can't wait to see Acuras new generation of their sport hybrid system
I’m all in when they produce a TLX hybrid.
@@Xiphos86 yes
Eleven years ago, I was looking at hybrids, because both my wife and I had long commutes. I cross shopped the Honda Insight and Toyota Prius. The engine stop/start on the Honda was a total deal breaker. It was so abrupt and jarring that I couldn't see driving it every day. The seats weren't good either, but the seats in the Gen II Prius I bought were actually worse. eleven years and 246,000 miles later, I don't regret that decision. Fortunately, I bought a fun car, and gifted the Prius to my kids, who summarily destroyed it. I miss getting fifty mpg, but I don't miss anything else about it.
Mark's comments about Illinois road salt are spot-on. I had a nice MINI Cooper S. I refused to drive it in winter. Wifey never did understand that. I don't care what you drive; if you love it and want to keep it, get yourself a winter beater if you live in the rust belt.
7:06 CVT? I thought it had eCVT? Toyota's eCVT (planetary gearbox) has nothing to do mechanically with the normal CVT. Is Honda's eCVT different?
Honda's "eCVT" in the MMD hybrid is even less of a CVT than the one in Toyota hybrids. It's just a bunch of fixed reduction gears, and one clutch pack that connects the engine to the wheels during higher speed cruising. If you really want to know more, just search youtube for "Weber Auto Honda e-drive" for a good transmission teardown and explanation.
I think the Accord Hybrid is one of the best hybrid midsize sedan on the market
Very economical yet enjoyable to drive
Toyota does hybrids better by a long shot.
@@singular9 Prius is ight
In NY, my 2015 Accord was rusting on the sheet metal within two years.
I’m in MD so we get a lot of salt too. My 05 accord has 0 rust and i don’t even wash it much.
@suspicionofdeceit So that the unionized and criminal road repair contractors have job security
Robby M you guys don't get your roads salted like they do in west New York nor the Midwest. They lay 10 lbs where 2 lbs would suffice.
@@alexnutcasio936 I know but for a 16 year old car to have almost no rust is a slated area is really good. I had a Ford Escape that rotted the whole subframe away and then had two, 6 inch whole in the rear frame.
@@alexnutcasio936 Are you a WNY guy? I am. Lots of salt and sand here in Buffalo.
Was disappointed to see that the new wheel/rim designs that come standard on this mid-cycle refreshed Accord are such an eye-sore compared to what was offered originally. 😭Looking forward to the new Civic sedan/hatchback review❗️
if its a savage geese video, its a banger! might as well click like before the video even starts! great work
Just curious, did you notice a glitch in the video at 11:56? Great video as usual
I have the 2020 Touring and it has about 131k miles! I think I have the most miles on the 2020 car. Still runs like it has 50k on it.
*Every time someone subscribes to savagegeese, somewhere an S2000 revs over 9000.*
“Pressure points on my rear end” - don’t temp me with a good time
Jack has now wore that blue Patagonia hoodie in the last 37 reviews
The Honda hybrid system does not use a CVT. Weber auto has a full teardown and you can see fully that it is a single gear ratio actual geared "transmission".
Correct but it's still called continuously variable transmission.
Great review as always, next car is probably going to be a hybrid like it or not. I think you guys have created a new category for Patagonia, UA-cam auto reviewers!
Mr Geese I'd love to see you review the Insight
Awesome car review! Fine way to start my week
That 90s hit Backstreet Boys playing on infotainment 🤗
Yes your right about the seats!!! They hurt your lower back!!!!
All seats hurt the lower back now to prevent women from sliding under the seatbelt. Once seat bottom airbags get cheaper hopefully they'll get better.
Their comments regarding the drive system are trivial. The sound of the ICE engine in this system is a function of the system design. The Honda Accord hybrid system essentially functions exactly like an EV below 45 mph. The ICE is primarily a generator of electricity for the electric drive motor. The system is ingenious and much more drivable than Toyota's system. You especially notice it when coming to a stop. Very linear. Once you accept how the ICE functions in the system, the sound is reassuring. AND there is more than adequate power. 6.5 seconds to 60. Good amount of instant torque.
I doubt very few owners will be running around a lot in sport mode. The whole point of a hybrid is to maximize fuel efficiency. If you want true sporty driving get the 2.0 Turbo model.
@@jeffmorse645 the Accord hybrid has better power than the 1.5L turbo. 232 pound feet of torque which is pretty decent. 0-60 in the mid 6 seconds. Again, pretty decent. But, yes, if one wants more power the 2.0L turbo has it but I'd want AWD or RWD for that.
Great job, as usual. Some of those comments remind me of why I'll be selling or trading in my Prius for a WRX. The Prius is clearly the better commuter and everyday driver in the boring midwest, but man is it boring!
Love everything about this, but I feel it's hard to justify at 37K, so many other more exciting options out there, thought not necessarily Hybrid.
You don’t need to go all out and get the top trim. I’d buy the trim just below it, the EX-L, which is around 32k. You get the leather, wireless CarPlay etc. all you need.
"Any fake engine noise that sounds like I'm playing Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec has got my attention" -- TodDD
Atari Pole Position engine sound...
Thank you very much for your thoughs about people in cold areas.
Most people even don't mention us as customers. All thier live is going in warm districts and they even don't know about our probems.
As a former Illinoisan... That salt just makes me cringe! You're exactly correct Goose, If you have a vehicle you love or can keep for a long time, you just have to park it in the garage. As far as the car is concerned, the sound, CVT and iPad on the dash kill it for me. I do think the style is the best or all Honda's, but that's it. The upcoming Mazda 6 is going to be the sedan to get.
The fact that Mark knows about the NPC meme is part of why I come here.
Sometimes I think it'd be nice to live in the Northeast and see all the seasons play out. That is, until I see a shot underneath the cars that are driven there and the desire evaporates. Shoveling snow, slipping on ice, putting the fun car away for half the year are all things I have no interest in dealing with. There's no question you have to be tough to live year-round in a place like your area. I'll deal with brutally hot summers for the nice autumn and winter months.
Yeah, there's absolutely nothing to envy about having all seasons. The snow is pretty for a day or two, but then it gets slushy and everything is just a fucking mess. Winter is one of the most insufferable times of year. Unbearably cold weather, nasty winds, cars don't like it, there's a aura of death in the air. I hate winter. It's just now starting to warm up again and I'm already complaining about next winter.
Really nasty winters keep the crime rates low!
In Georgia we only have 4 or 5 trucks to spread salt. And they were mostly parked this year. No snow. They can hardly get salt on one lane of interstate if it snows. No worries with salt down here.
I drove this body Honda Accord new a few months ago. It is everything Mark and Jack say it is. If you want a great daily vehicle then the Accord is an amazing car for that. I would personally get it with a manual but that is rare. But then again what kind of manual car isn't rare now a days?
Short and to the point - it's an Accord, it's tried and true, it's been updated, but people aren't buying sedans like we used to, despite how much roomier this is than a CRV and that it can fit a car seat and cargo just as well.
I think the only thing missing from this review is what comes with the Touring trim - you mentioned the dampers and "cooled front seats", but there's also a HUD, heated rear seats, rain sending wipers, auto high beams (underrated until you have them and now I refuse to go back), standard parking sensors, side mirrors with auto tilt on reverse..
Aside from sound system and dashboard materials, it's pretty much a TLX.
The bang-for-buck in the Touring trim can't be overstated but at $132/m (72m) more than the Sport trim, I think people should really see what they're missing and figure out if their budget allows for it.
I'm in a 2016 Touring and I can't see myself ever going lower in trims now that I've had it for 2 years.
Can't agree with the comment about the stiff uncomfortable seats. To my legs and back these are extremely supportive and the best in the Honda/Acura range at least. (I haven't been in as many different cars.) I've driven 34 hours basically nonstop a dozen times with no leg or back fatigue. They feel just right. I guess your mileage may vary, so to speak.
I was thinking get the touring but have them put the EXL wheels and tires on it for the softer ride and better gas mileage.
Thats what I have the it's the best of touring car i have ever had. Are you thinking of getting the Hybrid as well?
@@verynick yes with the hybrid.
I'm surprised you didn't beat on the stereo system, which is the worst thing about this car. As for the seats, I found them super soft and comfortable. Not mazda6 or nissan altima comfortable but better than the new camry and k5. After 10 mins of driving the camry, I couldn't handle the hard, flat seats. Body type does play a role though.
Man the farm and fleet reference was a deep cut.
I just took my wife's ES300H on an 800 mile drive. Mostly cruise control at 80 mph. 47.5mpg for the trip. She has 17" wheels. I can bet the Honda would get quite a bit lower mileage.
You probably would. My Touring MPG gets worst past going over 65 mph Lol but around 60-65, i get about 45-50 mpg
Our(Edmund's)2018 Honda Accord EX-L stickered for $30,865, including destination. Over the course of a year, we added 13,302 miles to our odometer. In this condition, the Edmunds TMV Calculator valued the Accord at $23,815 based on a private-party sale.
That works out to 22.8% depreciation, which is slightly worse than the fleet average of 22% average. The depreciation level is even worse when you consider that the majority of our cars pass the 20,000-mile mark. Edmund's longterm Accord
If you put your car up for sale in the last year, you would have gotten more than what you paid for it. Edmunds be damned.
I've been considering an Insight, any chance of reviewing one? I've read that under special conditions the battery can deplete and power and economy plummets, have you guys heard that?
@@philchao that's cool to know, and I think the Insight is one of the best looking sedans out there, I wish the Accord looked more like it!
I just posted a comment about my Insight, and I too suggested SG review it.
I have not heard about battery depletion, or at least not where it's a common issue. There were some service bulletins regarding the HV power converter, but afaik, only some models were affected, and they were repaired under warranty. If you mean efficiency specifically, then it's common to get worse economy in extreme weather, but that applies to all cars to a certain extent, though hybrids suffer a little more in terms of percentage. You' still get better MPG than a non-hybrid, though.
And yeah, I also think the Insight is more attractive all-around than the Accord!
Excellent review. If I am trying to decide on Accord Hybrid EX-L or Touring and Camry Hybrid XLE, which would I be happier with from a highway cruising interior noise level? If I go Accord, I may switch out the 19" wheels and tires for the 17" for lower noise and better mpg.
Exactly my thoughts on the wheels and tires. You can probably get a pretty good price for the stock wheels and tires when they're new. For a quieter, smoother ride and better MPG it seems like a no-brainer swap. Its a hybrid after all - should be going for the best MPG option or just get the gas version.
I own an accord hybrid sport--its great around town, but on highway the noise level is high and I only get around 37 mpg doing 75mph. Camry is better for high speed highway driving. In you're willing to keep it under 70 mph the Accord will get 43 mpg.
Love living in SW Florida!
Great review! I love sedans & hope Honda keeps making them.
Honda could have added the Acura Sport Hybrid powertrain with sh-awd, 7DCT, 3 electric motors, adds 64hp/71tq to any engine, and same city/combine/hwy mpgs. Acura stopped using this powertrain with the last gen of MDX/RLX/NSX vehicles and it is just sitting on the shelf. It would turn the Accord mpg hybrid into a performance hybrid.
Jack is really pimpin' that Fratagonia sponsorship.
“I want it that way” 😂 so many Easter eggs in your work
Long live the Accord! And yes, the wheels are ghastly. I rode in a friend's 2015 Accord Sport and found the ride a bit jarring and the seating position not too good. And synthetic noise? No. Had an EV that sounded like a spaceship below 20 MPH and could not turn it off or disable it. But aside from that longish rant, it's nice to see Honda is still selling it after what will soon be 50 years since it first came to the US. It was great then and still seems pretty darn good now.
For those of us that prefer sedans, manufacturers are missing an opportunity by not providing the same drivetrains as they do for crossovers/SUVs. If Toyota offered a Camry (or Avalon) with the same drivetrain and plug-in capability as the RAV4 Prime (Plug-in Hybrid AWD), I would upgrade tomorrow.
I agree about the seats in the Accord. Not great if you have back problems.
Great review. Honest as usual.
9:55 Best part of the review
I’ve had Honda’s in Philly for a long time. Not any rust at all on my 05 accord, 03 Acura TL those both lasted over 15 years with me as one owner vehicles no major accident repairs either and I thought they did well back then. An older 1990 civic I had was much more prone to rust like it’s exhaust system. Then my moms 2010 civic has some minimal rust on a panel that was repaired after an accident. But in my experience their cars were good though out the 2000s. I did how ever think there was a large difference in quality between accords and civics in the 2000s. Accords felt much more substantial in the old days. Now days both civic and accords feel very solid but there is less of a difference in quality. Shows how far the compact segment has progressed over the years.
"....It has everything I want fake noises, open diff, hybrid, and CVT...man that is real tight...!"
11. Honda Accord
• Most common complaint: Service brakes (9 complaints)
• Total complaints 41
• 2019 sales (through Q3): 204,463
• Vehicle type: Mid-size sedan
Among the 41 complaints about the 2019 Honda Accord filed with the NHTSA, the highest total were in regards to the brakes - specifically the automatic braking system. Several drivers reported the system automatically braking when there was no need. USAToday
I got a 10th gen Civic and here are my 2 cents on some of the tec that's common in current day Hondas:
- I haven't noticed any intrusion from the Lane Keep Assisst. Tho the steering seems a little vague, it feels very neutral to me. The car is going exactly where I point it. Mind you, I got my car this year and winter hasn't given me any opportunity to go wild on a twisty road.
- The Start/Stop engine vibration is a good thing as far as I'm concerned, but maybe that's because I have a manual gearbox and to me that feedback is important for effective gear engagement when getting off the stop lights. CVT owners might find that useless, hence annoying, I guess.
I sure am glad I live where it basically never snows.
I was actually in the market for a 2021 Honda Accord Hybrid, this exact one. There just happens to be a Kia dealership on the same street so I just thought I'd give it a shot. I ended up liking the K5 better. It also gets better MPG as well, which is crazy. I think the Kia K5 ride quality is somewhere between the Camry and the Accord. It's more comfortable than the Accord but not as floaty as the Camry. I was also able to get a much better deal with the K5 since there was a pretty significant sale and dealer discount, but I'm sure they always have some sort of promotions going on. Anyone who is set on a car that they like should really go and test out the competition. You may find something that surprises you. The competition is changing extremely fast nowadays, an automaker that used to be good last year may not be as good anymore this year, and vice versa.
You forgot to add long term reliability into the mix.
Thoughts on the addition of Sport Hybrid trim? Does lack safety items found in Touring, like cross-traffic alert, blind-spot monitoring, and parking sensors. But, styling is Sport-worthy and good price point.