People at the bottom can't enjoy a fun affordable sedan for emissions reasons but billionaires can take a private jet everywhere they go. Are we really trying to safe the planet or trying to benefit EV makers?
Um, private jets, I think more so. don't forget their Buggati's lambos, Ferraris etc...... EV's are not the answer. people are getting their pockets lined for that BS. How about start by stopping the cutting down of all the trees. They are earths filter. yet, they continue to cut for profit. lets build more strip malls buildings etc... BS.. stop cutting the F$#$%ing cutting trees and forests.. dumbasses.
They’re saving the planet already- for themselves, once they’ve ridded the world of that pesky half that eats too much, enjoys its freedom, and actually thinks it should run its own life. The world’s elite have a Thanos complex and they are OK with impoverishing and destroying billions of people in return for helping the half that they care about- they half that they are in.
Not true. Cafe for even heavy duty work trucks is skyrocketing. Basically cafe is ruining freedom of choice in cars. Contact your representatives and voice your concerns. Forcing arbitrary cafe increases faster than mfg can meet them is decimated the auto industry
It still impacts SUVs and trucks, albeit on a smaller scale - for instance, Dodge scrapping the 5.7L Hemi V8 in favor of the 3.0L Hurricane V6 in their new 1500s, or Toyota replacing their 3.5L V6 with a 2.4L inline-four in larger vehicles like the Highlander.
Why is it that "enthusiasts" lie so much about CAFE? 1. All personal street legal vehicles are subject to CAFE regulation, even trucks and suvs. Yes they are more lax, but that's only because it's not possible to make a full size pickup that gets 35+ mpg. 2. The regulations have gutter rails, if automakers can't meet the targets they are relaxed. 3. The penalties are piss weak, currently it's $100 per mpg missed per vehicle. It used to be $30. The typical car buyer is spending 10x as much on options and dealer markups. Companies like Dodge doesn't care and let buyers eat the fees, because buyers don't care either. CAFE is a failure, because it's a toothless piece of legistlation that dosen't really affect the car market compared to other regulations overseas. It's not even remotely the boogieman that it's made out to be.
Fun fact: The Accord Sedan shown at 0:29 has a red V6 badge as opposed to a black one. This means it has a manual transmission, making it one of the rarest Honda Accords ever, being a V6, manual, AND a Sedan. The V6 6MT powertrain only ever came in the Accord sedan for two years (2006 and 2007) making them very rare to find, and they are highly sought after by Honda enthusiasts.
I happen to be looking for one. Very hard to find. I've even had issues finding 2018-2020s in 6MT. I worked with a guy who had a red accord V6 sedan in 6mt. Sadly he doesn't still have it.
We need CAFE standards. We just need them to make sense. Automobiles only make up about 3% of greenhouse gases. Industry are the big contributors. Especially those in countries like China.
@@jdslipknot CAFE standards made sense when they incentivized Americans to buy cheap, fuel efficient cars post 1973. Now all they do is promote Manufacturers to sell expensive, inefficient crossovers and SUVs
Trash cafe. Progress is best made when it isn’t suffocated by regulations. The technology has peaked, any more regulation would only be useful to force fuels out of production.
I’ve owned numerous Accords through the years with V6 and 2.0T engines. Currently have a ‘21 Accord Touring 2.0T, which I love. My dad just got a ‘25 Accord Hybrid Touring, which he happens to love also. His is objectively better than mine in almost every metric except for the performance/fun to drive category. I enjoy driving his car. It is super refined, smooth and comfortable. However, I just want more power. If Honda did offer a more powerful version, I would highly consider upgrading mine but for now, I’m loving my 2.0T.
That 2.0T is impressive. People are holding onto those Accords vs. the 1.5. Seen a clean 2.0T in white where the guy put custom side skirts, rear diffuser, front lip, custom exhaust pipes, carbon fiber lip spoiler, big brake kit, upgraded wheels, grill, red Honda badges. Tastefully done, I should have taken a picture. It's a sleeper as it is, made it look like a high end, high performing luxury car.
Put a tune on it. Ive been running stage 3 on my 2.0t for close to 2 years now. Makes a little over 300whp and 360wtq. I have friends who swapped their turbos out and are making close to 400whp so these cars can take it.
I'm now 6 cars deep with Honda/Acura. I had a 2016 V6, manual Accord coupe(6-6 if you're familiar with Honda lexicon) I traded it in for a 2019 FK8 Type-R. As phenomenal as the Type-R is... That 6-6 was a special car. Traded in the Type-R for a 2019 TLX Advance with SH-AWD because I moved to Minnesota. Accords were some of the best performing non-sports cars and the end of the 10th generation closed that chapter. The current Accord just doesn't have the same soul as the older gens.
Honda lost a lifelong customer (me) when they dumped the 2.0 liter turbo Accord. When matched with that amazing 10 speed transmission, it was one of the most exciting family sedans around. Just a blast to drive, made even greater in sport mode with the adaptive suspension (also dumped). Now it not only a poor perfomer but ugly as sin and a lot more expensive. I'm sticking with 2018 Accord Touring for now. Nothing else really works for me. From Honda or anyone else.
I hate that it is gone but let's direct our hate where its due. Companies are doing this because of the absurd government regulations. I don't think they actually want to kill off such beloved engines, but they are being forced to against their will to comply with new standards.
I had an 18 2.0. It was the best car I've ever had. I'm driving a Civic Sport Touring Hybrid and it is an excellent car but it just doesn't have that burst of power.
Mother-in-laws car is a 2017 Touring with the V6. Awesome car. And we own a 2018 Touring Odyssey with the V6 and 10 speed. Impressive for an 8 passenger barge. 😂. I love it. New stuff really isn't interesting me. I see myself holding on to these for a very long time.
They lost me when they dropped the more powerful and smoother V6. Not to mention it sounded better and was amazing when paired with the manual gearbox.
Something like 2mpg improvement is like 6 billion gallons of gasoline not burned or bought. We are a country of 4% of the world’s population but produce waste or use resources of 20-25%, because we can. The poor nations, slowly, will want to do the same and then there will be demands to make pollution that will literally destroy the atmosphere that protects us from the Sun or resources that will drive up costs.
@@thystaff742 Yep, they got too powerful. It's unchecked power. Unelected gov workers who all share the exact same ideology...no diversity of thought is allowed apparently. In Europe, they have energy shortages and sky high prices. Yet they are still obsessed with their green fantasy. It's a sickness. And it's not green at all. They end up using dirty oil from evil foreign countries anyway.
CAFE standards are terrible! What is the point of killing the identity of smaller cars and sedans when you focus on unaffordable large SUV's where teenagers barely have options for a brand new economy car.
@@Jazz16-we1qc They might end up selling but the offerings are boring. Even the Camry lost it's edge. Most of the manuals and high horsepower offerings are gone.
@@JamesBond-ut5iv The sticks are a tiny market, and the Hybrid Camry basically has the power of a V6. Toyota has other cars for pure fun. Camry is a soft-riding, quiet boat. Very pleasant to drive. Got tired of the stiff supension on the accord.
@@JamesBond-ut5iv It's instant torque, at any RPM, unlike a V6 which has to wind up. The motors have zero maintenance. the E-CVT is a planetary gearset, with no clutch packs,, belts, etc. It's just gears. Way more reliable than a regular CVT or traditional trans. I had the 3.5 liter J35 V6 in my Ridgeline. Heavy, loud engine that you have to wind up to get any power. Was really inefficient. Vever going back to an old V6. Old tech. Hybrids and all electrics are the future
I have a 2017 Accord Touring V6…last of its kind. Amazing and smooth V6. One of the best Hondas I’ve ever owned. On Hwy I routinely get 34-37 mpg. Gonna keep this one a long time.
I'm pretty sure Honda will make a more powerful hybrid system in the future. Honda announced the next-gen hybrid system will have an e-rear axle (AKA an extra motor), which will have more power than the current one. But it's sad to see all those great powerful engine options gone because of the stupid regulations.
I guess Honda and Toyota are forced to make their cars less of quality and a bit less reliable. Because Honda and Toyota and other Asian car brands are so reliable it hurts the US car brands
@@bobman717 That's because Ferrari doesn't produce vehicles on a mass scale like Honda does, so their average MPG of their entire fleet isn't as high or not high enough to where Ferrari has to stop making V12s. Though, Ferrari is starting to have to head down direction as well as their upcoming car, the F80, is going to have a twin turbo V6.
It's not the regulations, it's Hondas greed and trying to cut cost on everything and America's love for SUV. Sedans don't sell here in states. Hyundai still making fun 2.0 and 2.5 engines no problem
I hate they dropped the 2.0T with the 6 speed manual. Honda simply makes one of the best manual gearboxes in the world. Buttery smooth while crisp and sporty at the same time. I drove a buddies '19 6 speed 2.0T, he had it flashed also. Was around 300hp, loved it so much I was shopping for one, but the manual trans were so rare and expensive for what they were. People knew what they had and hung onto them
Last year bought used 2020 2.0t accord sport used from a private party with 23k. The performance is what made me buy this car, it quick very quick. I drove the new one and it's just not there anymore. They lost their way.
Picked up a 2018 2.0T in 6MT in early 2019 for just over 31k out the door, they were happy to get rid of it because nobody wants a stick, well I wanted one and I love it. Thanks to full time WFH it only has 22k miles and is completely paid off and I'm going to keep it as long as I can. It is really expensive to try to upgrade off this car, if I want something with more power/build quality/refinement/tech that is within 1~ year old then we're realistically not starting that conversation for less than 50k.
The k20c4 is a very impressive powertrain. Definitely underrated from the factory. Imo it feels a little more powerful the a base bmw 330i with supposedly 3 more hp.
@@ShaiyanHossain The Elantra N has better handling but is not much faster in a straight line, it's also much smaller inside so its less practical and surprisingly it's fuel economy is actually worse than my 2.0T accord as well. Elantra N is not a car a man of my age would be willing to be seen in dead or alive, so no.
I swapped the j35z3 and 6mt into an 8th gen sedan (which was never available with this option). It’s fully tuned with exhaust and lightweight flywheel too. Every G37 on the road is shocked when I pass them 😂
the civic is so large it has become an accord size anyways. my FL5 is larger than the Accords I grew up with lol Honda basically made the accord into a crv sedan. toyota did the same with the camry, which is now a rav4 hybrid sedan, but the camry still has awd on every trim at least. america needs to start regulating cars further in regards to dimensions, weight, and engine displacement. the current CAFE standards only serve to push Americans into expensive trucks and crossovers and have ruined the car market forever
@@Jesse-x4o its the same engine as the crv, with the same ish interior, being sold at the same price. to make matters worse, the CRV at least has stuff going for it over the accord- the bigger boxier body for cargo versatility, and the inclusion of AWD. Why should one choose the accord?
@@ShaiyanHossain it’s almost like the entire segment of crossovers was named to explain the design of taking a sedan’s unibody frame and using it to produce a pseudo-SUV. Who would have thunk it? But for real, the reasons for getting an Accord over a CR-V are the lower center of gravity, lower price tag, higher mpg, and better features. However, unlike the first three points, the “slightly more upscale options” aren’t inherent to sedans vs crossovers, it’s just that Honda doesn’t offer the tip-top stuff in it’s crossover for some reason (HUD, full digital driver’s display, larger infotainment screen, google integration, etc).
Those lamenting the loss of v6 cars reminds me of back in time where those of us that still love our torquey V8s were forced into 4 cyl and 6 cyl cars. Things just continue to get worse.
Great video. My daily driver is at 2017 Honda Accord touring V6 I bought brand new with 17 miles on the odometer. I’ve driven a lot of cars in my day and this is my most favorite car of all time. Not only is it incredibly powerful and fun to drive but it gets in incredible gas mileage. On a nice flat surface where I live in Texas I can easily get 35 miles to the gallon Doing 70 miles an hour. Just so you know I actually had my car Dyno tested several years ago because a buddy of mine has a performance shop, and my 3.5 L V6 actually produced 301 hp and 276 pounds of torque. It’s way more powerful than Honda claims on paper. The McPherson suspension makes that touring model just a joy to drive. It’s an absolute shame it’s turned into a boring old hybrid bland looking vehicle. My 2017 in my opinion is the last great Honda Accord ever made.
Current car manufacturers remind me of LEGO. Almost went belly up in the 90’s/early 00’s. Then, they dropped the frills and went back to basics, making fun. And their product is built to last generations, which is rare for a toy. It’s akin to Toyota before they changed leadership. Time to get back to the basics and make a product people want. Imagine if Chevy/Ford/Dodge brought back their truck designs from the 60’s, with modern convenience AND reliability. They would sell so many.
That silver sedan shown at 0:26 has the 6MT, only available for '06 and '07. Colors were black, silver, or I think white? The sedans with automatics had a black V6 badge, not red. :) Those of you familiar with the coupes can tell me if they did something similar with those 6MT cars. Also unique to those few sedans are the Acura TL (2002, typically) rims, albeit now with 50-series tires. Our black 2006 sedan has a lot of miles and needs some TLC, but I've never owned a better Accord. It's very nice being able to stay in 6th on the highway and never really have to downshift. I probably should be shopping for a nice 6MT 2.0T before I go full electric ... as much as I've always loved cars, these days I'd be just as happy not having to NEED one at all. Keep moving forward, kids, regardless of whatever life throws at you!
i got a v6 205 tlx (which is just a driver focused accord) and even though the transmission gets on my nerves at time. God nothing can beat an N/A v6. Its brought so much joy to my everyday driving and so much emotion to my touge runs while still being an everyday car. It's a shame that the United States, while creating a law as an attempt to encourage smaller cars, flat out just destroys small sporty cars and encourages the ever-growing tanks on the road we see today. Still want to own a high revving Honda in the future like an s2k or Integra, that's the Honda I idolize 😅
The sad part is that Honda never made a 9th gen V6 sedan with the 6MT. The next best option was the 9th gen with the K24W1 engine with the 6MT, last available in 2017.
I just picked up a 2022 Accord sport back in Nov. with only 2,600 miles and man it's a blast to drive! Super smooth engine and 10 speed transmission. A lot of torque at low rpms. Never getting rid of it.
Accord coupe generations 7.5 & 9.5 with the V6 were the best😍. The J30A5 gave good revs and some decent power. The J35Y1 offered more power and reminded me of a VQ motor from Nissan. Both these coupes were/are stunning; my coupes are always the lookers of the shop floor when in for regular maintance at the dealer.
CAFE standard is stupid in some ways. From what I've heard, light trucks like the tundra are exempted from this test. It does not reduce emissions (by much) and it pushes manufacturer to make those big ass killer trucks if you can call them trucks. And in turn forces consumers to buy said killer trucks. Therefore massively reducing road safety.
We just got a 2025 Accord Sport and it's a really nice car. I had the ambient light package put in it like the version of the Accord that they sell in China. The car feels very premium, the ride is very quiet, and it drives super smooth. I was pleasantly surprised at how quick it is from a dead stop. The disappointment comes in when you are already driving at speed (like 65mph) and then you step on it...the car feels like it's accelerating very slowly. That's my only complaint. The way the car drives it feels like you're in a Lexus ES, except it's quieter because of the electric motors.
I have a 2012 Acura MDX, and it was a huge upgrade to my Honda Fit. Going from a lightweight little 1.5L fwd hatch to a 3.7 AWD 4,500lb suv, I was expecting a small bump in power. WOW, did I get a shock when I gunned it for the first time! And it still shocks me every day. The Honda v6 is no joke. The last v6 I had was a GM 3100 in a Pontiac sedan, and it felt slow after 1st gear, so I was expecting similar from a 3700 v6 in a heavier car, but no, there's over a decade of difference in engine technology that makes modern v6s GREAT to have!
It’s nuts how the Civic hybrid is now the equivalent of the Accord 2.0 for the Accord. More power and better straight like speed but now with like 50MPG.
I bought the 9th gen hybrid and absolutely love it. Gave it to my sister when she left for the military but missed it so a year later I bought her a newer accord and took it back lol
I work at a machine shop in the northern San Diego County, we see the 1.5 out of the civic, crv, accord, and sometime the V6 heads for blown head gaskets. We pressure check, leak cheak, resurface. I have even seen a new V6 turbo Tacoma head cracked. The manufactures are being fored to go smaller displacement with turbos. This will continue as long as people keep buying these cars.
I had a 2013 Honda Accord V6 with the automatic transmission. I had the top end trim and with eco mode on, with steady driving, I could get 40mpg on the highway. Was honestly pretty crazy.
I’ve owned a lot of 4 cylinders through the decade. I finally got a V6 car (2007 Accord). I will never go back to a 4 cylinder. A 2.0 turbo may make the same power but I rather have a naturally aspirated motor than turbo. Plus less maintenance. The gas is obviously worse than a 4 cylinder but idc since it’s a very nice comfortable daily 🫡. Only 150k miles
Very timely video considering the proliferation of perfectly adequate but dull cars. I could have easily afforded a BMW or Mercedes but because of their snob appeal I went for the 10th gen Accord with the 2 lier engine. It is truly a joy to drive and thrilled when I can safely open it up. However I don't see anything I would like to upgrade at this time which is a pity. I don't want a bulky SUV or EV, I want a car. Yes it would be great if Honda could develop a car with more horsepower and torque, and I would be first in line to buy one.
1:28 As a v6 9th gen owner…. Yes the 10th gen may not be as powerful on paper but it’s a light and day difference on how much more torquey it is compared to my car… And also funny enough its the better option as an enthusiast bc of how much more power you can make of compared to its older v6 counter… i guess it does help to have a turbo compared to a N/A😭😭
I’m a longtime Honda owner. It’s super frustrating to see the lack of fun to drive cars. I passed on a 2018 Accord Sport because of the rough roads where I live, we’ll never see the like again.
I have a 2.0T Accord, an EX-L. Yes, driving it around town I tend to see about 26 mpg, but when most of my driving was highway, I averaged 35mpg, and on a trip to Philadelphia, I arrived in the city with a 40 mpg average. That's not bad for a car capable of accelerating about as quick as the Pontiac G8 GT I once owned. I intended to buy a Accord hybrid, but didn't put money on it fast enough, so I ended up with this. Initial reliability problems aside, it's been a good car.
If a 2.0L turbo isn’t emissions efficient enough, that’s not good for the ending era of combustion engines. I’m not old but I’m glad to have been around for long enough to experience it.
I hope Honda watches this video. The EPA and CAFE standards make it hard for these engines to be in sedans anymore. But I really hope that they don’t shelve the J series V6 engines out of their larger vehicles like the Pilot and Odyssey. Yes it’s an older design but it’s a great engine. Its simplicity and widespread DIY information on them keep them a desirable option if I were to buy a Honda in the future.
I drive a 2009 Acura TL with the V6. Absolutely amazing car, and exceptionally reliable having over 200k miles. I’ve considered upgrading to a 2.0t but I adore the V6 too much, and I’ll definitely not be buying new when there isn’t an engine nearly as exciting anymore.
Honda needs to understand that when you sell a car for the middle-classes, you are selling not only an A to B appliance as cheap as possible, you are making the very little peace, isolation and fun there is in their lives: when we are isolated in our cars. Vacation for a few weeks a year, the car is everyday. I am middle class and despite i need economy appliances, i am willing to sacrifice a little extra income to have a car that feels satisfying to drive. Honda turned the middle-class fun/luxury into an A to B style econobox, so people like me are steering into Mazda or BMW, depending on their finacial status. Hence the Accord never selling so low in its history.
I agree with this 100%. In our case, we turned our all Honda Family into Mazdas, a Tesla, and even a BMW. Modern Hondas are so lackluster. The CRV feels like a slow tin can next to a CX5. The Acura Integra is also a slow tin can compared to the Tesla Model 3. Nothing, besides their manual transmission, is really exceptional anymore. From the motors, road noise, to the infotainment.
@@billm47645everything is going to feel slow when you have an electric car with instant torque. power is more important than torque, torque is what you’re feeling at take up until you reach your power and, and electric motors are nothing but torque and have very low horsepower numbers
Top quality channel with great research, and even better presenter. Thank you. I’d love to see you deep dive into the VCM(V6) issues*. I don’t think anyone has actual proof*, but a massive segment of Honda buyers seem to think the VCM is destroying their cars/vans/suvs. There are several layers to this, you have people seemingly taking it upon themselves selling an affordable solution. You have Honda doing/saying nothing, you have these amazing V6 engines with a * on its file now because, at one point it was considered to be one of the best of all time.
@@SeanChandler see "My racing sim feels like real life now." by optimum on youtube. grip limit , steering range of motion, lap type, sound etc all can be personalized... so real life motor sport isn't simply enjoying the mandatory commute driving funs is escaping perceived danger and driving style for lower emissions(like endurance racing, avoiding need to pitstop for tires, fuel) to whatever extent you wish. driving rules for sustainability and emissions means: exponential accelerator pedal compression pace from around 5 miler per hour , optimal energy level , engine RPM . put down more power than that before uphills and on downhills brake and steer minimally and steadily. about emissions: games fail to give that wanted sense of accomplishment if they arnt challenging enough. you might argue "muh study, da uder study, buh buh who fund study, da money printers" etc, but its a good general rule to not mess with natural order. so whatever is lightweight and efficient, Electric car or not, probably good enough. that is how some people truely do care about emissions and arnt only trying to pretend like their somehow better than some other or hopeing theyll get some cheap little admiration, like a nerd or a bimbo or something. now for some RCR-ish transcendentalism it seems people FEEL what cant simply be simulated and is most important in life is: family(improving genetic quality of society, etc) then fucking(sekz) because "phermones" at least in healthy opposite gender, no birth control pill, slowly transitioned into natural fat/meat no carb diet, etc. after those 2 is , finding, food, then fragrances., by "finding, i mean regularly dedicating some tome to existential exploration. its in this order of importance because genes that spread tend to rather help spreading than not. less important parts are less satisfying without the more important ones, sorta of like giving a starving dying person vegetables instead of eggs n meat, expecting itll feel just as good vs having that junk food after hes healthy. be against anti appreciation desentization as happens from overdose.
7:24 Look up the new Hybrid systems from honda 😉, it seems like there CRV and the accord will get a new 3rd electric motor in the back for AWD + the new S+ mode
After getting rid of my Accord Sport 2.0t I regretted it once I went to buy a new Accord Touring and realized I hated driving it. That 10 speed was amazing I’m hoping that they bring that combo back in some form.
it’ll never happen, as long as the emissions standards continue the way their going you’ll be stuck with a cvt 4 cylinder car until they force us to go fully electric. my suggestion is if you must buy new get a hybrid version of the car you want if it’s offered. you’ll get that low end you’re seeking, just know that hybrids don’t start the engine till you’re going 20-40mph so your gas engine will be cold so it’ll be like your car now. gotta drive it gently and warm it up or if you can start the gas engine up when you get in if the car allows you too
@@SStarlight9614 yes for sure. I ended up getting a Tesla Model 3 Performance. It’s actually been great and checks all the boxes and a few more. Sometimes I do miss the engine noise and feel of a turbo spooling up. But I’m happy with my car.
Honda also struggled with problematic automatic transmissions for as long as I can remember, but most of their manual transmissions were good back in the day (with a few notable exceptions). I purchased/drove nothing but Honda/Acura from 1982 to 2010, but they were all manual. The brand today doesn't appeal to me at all for a variety of reasons (styling, CVTs, Turbo garbage, lower build quality & reliability, ever-increasing vehicle size creep, etc.).
i got a accord coupe in 2012 brand new off the lot with 7 miles v6 6 speed i really regret letting that car go not knowing they would totally stop making them
The only thing that kept me from getting an accord was the lack of AWD. So an AWD Accord with a hybrid system and 5.5sec 0-60 time would be a dream. Only problem is that Accords are a pretty much bargain cars and that kind of trim (and dealership markups) would probably make it a mid $40k-$50k car. And I don’t know who in their right mind would pay that much for an Accord.
In Canada, it’s simple, we have 3 cats like that now, the Accord, the Camry and the Kia/Hyundai ones, but nothing else in the “big” sedan world except some Germans but those are more of luxury cars
I would still rather have a V6. When I worked at Nissan I leased three different model Altima's over the years an 06, 2012, and a 2013 with a V6. These drove so much better than the 2.5 engines. The turbo they replaced the V6 was in my opinion very harsh and noisy. Plus the 06 and and the 13 model got better than 35 mpg gallon on the highway. The Honda V6 must be a reliable engine because I still see some on the road now and then. Glad to see Honda is still putting a V6 in the Ridgeline, the Passport and the Pilot.
Just got a Mazda 3 turbo, absolute blast of a compact hatchback. I hope Mazda keeps making at least a few of these fun if inefficient cars. I have no issues with electric, I like my partners hybrid, but I just want that ICE, I want that feeling of life. Hell, even now, the very relaxed (almost too relaxed) 6 speed automatic in the Mazda felt like more of a car enthusiast concern as everything is being replaced with CVTs. I couldn't have imagined thinking that 20 years ago.
Two years ago I test drove a 2018 Acura TLX V6 and that was very smooth. In August of last year i purchased a pre-owned '22 TLX coming out of a 2018 Camry. My '22 TLX although responsive still doesn't feel as smooth as the '18 V6 TLX. I'm also surprised that the new Accord doesn't offer any higher power engine options. I thought that the Accord 2.0 was the same as the TLX Turbo engine 🤔. And eventhough the RLX has been discontinued. Owners love their Hybrid which makes more horsepower then the base trim. Honda could have taken the RLX Hybrid Engine toned down the Horsepower some and placed that in the Accord maybe as a engine options.
The last V6 family sedans that were on the market were the Nissan Maxima and Volkswagon Arteon. Commonly, the cars with these engines are super low volume nowadays. To justify them in the face of the growing cost due to regulation just wouldn’t make huge sense, and that sucks. Its hard, cause on one hand, yeah I get why with the regs, we’re burning the planet. But also I like that these cars exist and intend to own one. Tech and volume of advancements grows every day and no knew V6s miss out on the improvements technology can offer. One ought to wonder that if free valve technology was mature by now any configuration of engine could claim high efficiency
Your point about the Camry and potentially getting the higher output turbo 4 + hybrid powertrain options from the RAV4 Prime is probably correct. As a V6 owner I'm sad to see the V6 go from the last gen, and similar to Honda, the current Camry lineup doesn't have a "high power" powertrain. To add, Toyota *could* (likely won't) take the 350+ HP even higher output version of the turbo 4 + hybrid powertrain as found in the Lexus RX and Toyota Crown, which share a similar TNGA platform as the Camry, so the powertrain shouldn't be too hard to swap in a Camry. Their "TRD" could see another generation with that powertrain and AWD. As for the Accord, it seems like they don't really have a high power hybrid powertrain, and I'm not sure if they're working on one. I certainly hope. But it's been a second since Honda made a new-from-the-ground-up higher output powertrain. Even their latest higher output options were just newer variants of very old engine families. The Acura Type S 3.0L V6 is just a boosted J series and the 2.0T are boosted K series, both families from like 2 decades ago almost.
I said this to myself! Wondering if the new "TRD" or "GR" Camry can be a turbo 4 hybrid system making 300+ HP could be really fun but its a long shot since they are bringing back the MR2 and the celica
I went from an 05 Accord V6 coupe to a 18 Accord 1.5T bc of the 05 kinda aging out. The engine was still mechanically great, the paint and the rest of the car started to age poorly. I miss that old engine a lot. MPGs were in the high 20s at best. The 1.5T will move, but after a couple secs of the pedal down all the way. I'm just at 38k miles still and ive had zero issues mechanically so far. I get 38 mpg without even trying on normal driving, on the interstate, 42-44 is pretty easy to get also. I bet it could get over 45mpg if you were able to just drive at 58-62mph for a whole tank as that seems to be its real sweet spot.
If they do bring the turbo option back it would be nice but I gotta tell you I have a 2024 hybrid L sport Accord and I am really not missing the turbo option. I would suggest people who are saying no to the Accord based on the lack of a turbo option go to a dealership and test drive one.
I have a unicorn (albeit Acura) 300hp V6, SH-AWD, and a six speed manual transmission. The fourth generation Acura TL. And as a bonus it’s old enough that it has no digital nanny’s 😊
I've been driving for almost 30 years and owned 4 accords. The V6 Accord hybrid makes a great "performance" car. What I really wanted is an optional 4WD Accord. I am okay with an electric motor in the back, just like the most recent 4WD Prius. Not holding my breathe.
My first car was 03 Honda v6 it was so fun to drive I started looking for 2017 v6 couldn’t find any so I went with the 2017 sport now I’m in the market for a BMW or AUDI
I actually bought a luxury sedan that has AWD, does 0-60mph in 5 seconds, and averages over 50 mpg. It's my BMW 330e xDrive. I just gave it to my daughter though because I just bought a Lucid Air Touring a few weeks ago.
That MPG number uses electricity as well, doesn't it? That's a great benchmark for Honda to match, though! Congrats on the Lucid Air -- how do you like it?
Traded off the wife's 22 Accord touring with the 2.0 and 10 speed for something that was worse off in mpg with a 2023 wrx and its parked right next to mine in the driveway. Certain buyers dont really care what the mpg you get out of a vehicle as long as its fun to drive and gets you from point A to point B safely.
I had a 2008 Honda Accord Sedan with the v6. Sold it and got a 11th Gen Civic with the 2.0L non turbo. I regret that decision every single time I get into the Civic. Only thing better is the MPG. That’s it.
I thought the 2.0T had less problems with oil dilution. Doesn't seem like the best move to get rid of it, but then again, I won't buy one. (Too busy enjoying my 2.3T.) Could they not just turn down the boost and trend down to smaller wheels?
If Honda merges with Nissan and Mitsubishi, Mitsubishi’s PHEV is a hidden gem, or should I say hidden “Crystal Mover” for Honda. Mitsubishi’s PHEV powertrain makes a combined 252hp and 332lbft of torque in the Outlander. Nissan will borrow this powertrain to get their Rogue in the PHEV game and I think this could also benefit Honda as well.
People at the bottom can't enjoy a fun affordable sedan for emissions reasons but billionaires can take a private jet everywhere they go. Are we really trying to safe the planet or trying to benefit EV makers?
Um, private jets, I think more so. don't forget their Buggati's lambos, Ferraris etc...... EV's are not the answer. people are getting their pockets lined for that BS. How about start by stopping the cutting down of all the trees. They are earths filter. yet, they continue to cut for profit. lets build more strip malls buildings etc... BS.. stop cutting the F$#$%ing cutting trees and forests.. dumbasses.
Cruise ships are the worst. Nobody cares about the planet. They’re making money at the common man’s expense.
The difference is that you and I don’t have the money to buy a congressperson, but the billionaires do. This is what wealth inequality leads to.
It was never about saving the planet in the first place
They’re saving the planet already- for themselves, once they’ve ridded the world of that pesky half that eats too much, enjoys its freedom, and actually thinks it should run its own life. The world’s elite have a Thanos complex and they are OK with impoverishing and destroying billions of people in return for helping the half that they care about- they half that they are in.
So it’s the CAFE standard that kills all fun cars and replaces them with a boring box that is SUV.
yes
correct, thus the absurdity of toyota putting a 4 cylinder in a large suv like a grand highlander
😂
How about ev?
In Asia SUV and truck are luxury. Hatchback and sedan are cheap.
Welcome to capitalism. Turns out Honda cares more about money than anything
Interesting how CAFE targets only affect economy cars, while SUVs and trucks can continue to be almost as inefficient as the manufacturers so wish
Yup, CAFE is pure BS.
Not true. Cafe for even heavy duty work trucks is skyrocketing. Basically cafe is ruining freedom of choice in cars. Contact your representatives and voice your concerns.
Forcing arbitrary cafe increases faster than mfg can meet them is decimated the auto industry
I've been saying this for a minute. CAFE is absolute garbage. I wonder which lobbyists are in their pockets.
It still impacts SUVs and trucks, albeit on a smaller scale - for instance, Dodge scrapping the 5.7L Hemi V8 in favor of the 3.0L Hurricane V6 in their new 1500s, or Toyota replacing their 3.5L V6 with a 2.4L inline-four in larger vehicles like the Highlander.
Why is it that "enthusiasts" lie so much about CAFE?
1. All personal street legal vehicles are subject to CAFE regulation, even trucks and suvs. Yes they are more lax, but that's only because it's not possible to make a full size pickup that gets 35+ mpg.
2. The regulations have gutter rails, if automakers can't meet the targets they are relaxed.
3. The penalties are piss weak, currently it's $100 per mpg missed per vehicle. It used to be $30. The typical car buyer is spending 10x as much on options and dealer markups. Companies like Dodge doesn't care and let buyers eat the fees, because buyers don't care either.
CAFE is a failure, because it's a toothless piece of legistlation that dosen't really affect the car market compared to other regulations overseas. It's not even remotely the boogieman that it's made out to be.
Fun fact:
The Accord Sedan shown at 0:29 has a red V6 badge as opposed to a black one. This means it has a manual transmission, making it one of the rarest Honda Accords ever, being a V6, manual, AND a Sedan. The V6 6MT powertrain only ever came in the Accord sedan for two years (2006 and 2007) making them very rare to find, and they are highly sought after by Honda enthusiasts.
Huh
I was always under the assumption a manual option would've been available for every year
Neat
Got a buddy with 2 of them!
@koraegi you could get a manual v6 in other years but it had to be a coupe
I happen to be looking for one. Very hard to find. I've even had issues finding 2018-2020s in 6MT. I worked with a guy who had a red accord V6 sedan in 6mt. Sadly he doesn't still have it.
@@gamingonwindowslinux1934 2017 was the last year for V6 MT and only came in a coupe. Awesome cars!
I remember car magazine journalists begging Honda for a V6 in the Accord back in the 90's.
…and had to stretch the 5th gen Accord by 3” in order to accommodate the C27 motor
They had a 3.0 V6 in the 90s. Owned one…great car.
is it just me or the CAFE thing needs to be reworked or somethin.
We need CAFE standards. We just need them to make sense. Automobiles only make up about 3% of greenhouse gases. Industry are the big contributors. Especially those in countries like China.
I love slower, less reliable, and more expensive cars, don't you?
@@jdslipknot CAFE standards made sense when they incentivized Americans to buy cheap, fuel efficient cars post 1973. Now all they do is promote Manufacturers to sell expensive, inefficient crossovers and SUVs
Trash cafe. Progress is best made when it isn’t suffocated by regulations. The technology has peaked, any more regulation would only be useful to force fuels out of production.
Lobbying also needs to go. That’s another reason why we’re here.
I’ve owned numerous Accords through the years with V6 and 2.0T engines. Currently have a ‘21 Accord Touring 2.0T, which I love. My dad just got a ‘25 Accord Hybrid Touring, which he happens to love also. His is objectively better than mine in almost every metric except for the performance/fun to drive category. I enjoy driving his car. It is super refined, smooth and comfortable. However, I just want more power. If Honda did offer a more powerful version, I would highly consider upgrading mine but for now, I’m loving my 2.0T.
That 2.0T is impressive. People are holding onto those Accords vs. the 1.5. Seen a clean 2.0T in white where the guy put custom side skirts, rear diffuser, front lip, custom exhaust pipes, carbon fiber lip spoiler, big brake kit, upgraded wheels, grill, red Honda badges. Tastefully done, I should have taken a picture. It's a sleeper as it is, made it look like a high end, high performing luxury car.
Put a tune on it. Ive been running stage 3 on my 2.0t for close to 2 years now. Makes a little over 300whp and 360wtq. I have friends who swapped their turbos out and are making close to 400whp so these cars can take it.
If you don’t want to tune it, Civic type r, integra type s, tlx type s
I'm now 6 cars deep with Honda/Acura. I had a 2016 V6, manual Accord coupe(6-6 if you're familiar with Honda lexicon) I traded it in for a 2019 FK8 Type-R. As phenomenal as the Type-R is... That 6-6 was a special car. Traded in the Type-R for a 2019 TLX Advance with SH-AWD because I moved to Minnesota. Accords were some of the best performing non-sports cars and the end of the 10th generation closed that chapter. The current Accord just doesn't have the same soul as the older gens.
@@relljav those are nice cars but they're all 15-20k more expensive than an accord
Honda lost a lifelong customer (me) when they dumped the 2.0 liter turbo Accord. When matched with that amazing 10 speed transmission, it was one of the most exciting family sedans around. Just a blast to drive, made even greater in sport mode with the adaptive suspension (also dumped). Now it not only a poor perfomer but ugly as sin and a lot more expensive. I'm sticking with 2018 Accord Touring for now. Nothing else really works for me. From Honda or anyone else.
@@daytonarama I understand that feeling of looking at the cars of this current generation and thinking they just don't do it for me anymore
I hate that it is gone but let's direct our hate where its due. Companies are doing this because of the absurd government regulations. I don't think they actually want to kill off such beloved engines, but they are being forced to against their will to comply with new standards.
I had an 18 2.0. It was the best car I've ever had. I'm driving a Civic Sport Touring Hybrid and it is an excellent car but it just doesn't have that burst of power.
Mother-in-laws car is a 2017 Touring with the V6. Awesome car. And we own a 2018 Touring Odyssey with the V6 and 10 speed. Impressive for an 8 passenger barge. 😂. I love it. New stuff really isn't interesting me. I see myself holding on to these for a very long time.
They lost me when they dropped the more powerful and smoother V6. Not to mention it sounded better and was amazing when paired with the manual gearbox.
Abolish CAFE targets
Something like 2mpg improvement is like 6 billion gallons of gasoline not burned or bought. We are a country of 4% of the world’s population but produce waste or use resources of 20-25%, because we can. The poor nations, slowly, will want to do the same and then there will be demands to make pollution that will literally destroy the atmosphere that protects us from the Sun or resources that will drive up costs.
Or the EPA altogether
I agree, it's making cars more expensive and difficult to repair.
EPA needs to be done away with. Let pollution controls be a state issue.
@@thystaff742 Yep, they got too powerful. It's unchecked power. Unelected gov workers who all share the exact same ideology...no diversity of thought is allowed apparently. In Europe, they have energy shortages and sky high prices. Yet they are still obsessed with their green fantasy. It's a sickness. And it's not green at all. They end up using dirty oil from evil foreign countries anyway.
CAFE standards are terrible! What is the point of killing the identity of smaller cars and sedans when you focus on unaffordable large SUV's where teenagers barely have options for a brand new economy car.
Nailed it, without the higher HP engine offerings the sedan market got boring.
Sedan market is still strong. I think they sold 250k Camrys in the U.S. alone last year.
@@Jazz16-we1qc They might end up selling but the offerings are boring. Even the Camry lost it's edge. Most of the manuals and high horsepower offerings are gone.
@@JamesBond-ut5iv The sticks are a tiny market, and the Hybrid Camry basically has the power of a V6. Toyota has other cars for pure fun. Camry is a soft-riding, quiet boat. Very pleasant to drive. Got tired of the stiff supension on the accord.
@@Jazz16-we1qc 232hp is certainly far short of the 300hp V6 of the past. Not to mention you’ve got 2 motors to maintain now.
@@JamesBond-ut5iv It's instant torque, at any RPM, unlike a V6 which has to wind up. The motors have zero maintenance. the E-CVT is a planetary gearset, with no clutch packs,, belts, etc. It's just gears. Way more reliable than a regular CVT or traditional trans. I had the 3.5 liter J35 V6 in my Ridgeline. Heavy, loud engine that you have to wind up to get any power. Was really inefficient. Vever going back to an old V6. Old tech. Hybrids and all electrics are the future
I have a 2017 Accord Touring V6…last of its kind. Amazing and smooth V6. One of the best Hondas I’ve ever owned. On Hwy I routinely get 34-37 mpg. Gonna keep this one a long time.
Same. I have a 17’ EX-L coupe AT. I don’t envision parting with it anytime soon.
That's some great highway fuel economy for a V6!
You actually got better MPG than it was rated? How slow do you drive?
@@iishyxvietxboyii1 Downhill.
@@iishyxvietxboyii1 Easily around 70-80. I routinely get 32-33 mpg on the highway in my 03 6 speed Acura CL Type S. It's not even that hard.
I'm pretty sure Honda will make a more powerful hybrid system in the future. Honda announced the next-gen hybrid system will have an e-rear axle (AKA an extra motor), which will have more power than the current one. But it's sad to see all those great powerful engine options gone because of the stupid regulations.
I guess Honda and Toyota are forced to make their cars less of quality and a bit less reliable.
Because Honda and Toyota and other Asian car brands are so reliable it hurts the US car brands
@@nekopop8159 Well put
Crazy how Honda has been 'forced' to stop selling V6s while Ferrari has V12s. Almost like they haven't been regulated out at all
@@bobman717 That's because Ferrari doesn't produce vehicles on a mass scale like Honda does, so their average MPG of their entire fleet isn't as high or not high enough to where Ferrari has to stop making V12s. Though, Ferrari is starting to have to head down direction as well as their upcoming car, the F80, is going to have a twin turbo V6.
It's not the regulations, it's Hondas greed and trying to cut cost on everything and America's love for SUV. Sedans don't sell here in states. Hyundai still making fun 2.0 and 2.5 engines no problem
Never giving up my San Marino Red 2002 EXV6 coupe with less than 40k miles. I’m 70 and it will outlive me, hopefully.
I hate they dropped the 2.0T with the 6 speed manual. Honda simply makes one of the best manual gearboxes in the world. Buttery smooth while crisp and sporty at the same time. I drove a buddies '19 6 speed 2.0T, he had it flashed also. Was around 300hp, loved it so much I was shopping for one, but the manual trans were so rare and expensive for what they were. People knew what they had and hung onto them
Last year bought used 2020 2.0t accord sport used from a private party with 23k. The performance is what made me buy this car, it quick very quick. I drove the new one and it's just not there anymore. They lost their way.
Picked up a 2018 2.0T in 6MT in early 2019 for just over 31k out the door, they were happy to get rid of it because nobody wants a stick, well I wanted one and I love it. Thanks to full time WFH it only has 22k miles and is completely paid off and I'm going to keep it as long as I can. It is really expensive to try to upgrade off this car, if I want something with more power/build quality/refinement/tech that is within 1~ year old then we're realistically not starting that conversation for less than 50k.
@@bobdolespen its called the elantra N
The k20c4 is a very impressive powertrain. Definitely underrated from the factory. Imo it feels a little more powerful the a base bmw 330i with supposedly 3 more hp.
No they didn’t. Speed isn’t everything and going hybrid was the right call. The new one is more refined and higher quality.
@@ShaiyanHossain The Elantra N has better handling but is not much faster in a straight line, it's also much smaller inside so its less practical and surprisingly it's fuel economy is actually worse than my 2.0T accord as well. Elantra N is not a car a man of my age would be willing to be seen in dead or alive, so no.
I swapped the j35z3 and 6mt into an 8th gen sedan (which was never available with this option). It’s fully tuned with exhaust and lightweight flywheel too. Every G37 on the road is shocked when I pass them 😂
I miss the manual trans in honda cars without having to get the top trim.
They sell the Civic Si
@@aquifer98 ya but it's more of a top trim
The 10th gen civic still has a low trim manual option
@@Torben-u8u The newest models come with CVT in low trims.
Bring fun cars back, give me my V6 and my manual transmission back
the civic is so large it has become an accord size anyways. my FL5 is larger than the Accords I grew up with lol
Honda basically made the accord into a crv sedan. toyota did the same with the camry, which is now a rav4 hybrid sedan, but the camry still has awd on every trim at least.
america needs to start regulating cars further in regards to dimensions, weight, and engine displacement. the current CAFE standards only serve to push Americans into expensive trucks and crossovers and have ruined the car market forever
A CRV sedan 🤔 make that make sense
@@Jesse-x4o its the same engine as the crv, with the same ish interior, being sold at the same price. to make matters worse, the CRV at least has stuff going for it over the accord- the bigger boxier body for cargo versatility, and the inclusion of AWD. Why should one choose the accord?
@@ShaiyanHossain it’s almost like the entire segment of crossovers was named to explain the design of taking a sedan’s unibody frame and using it to produce a pseudo-SUV. Who would have thunk it?
But for real, the reasons for getting an Accord over a CR-V are the lower center of gravity, lower price tag, higher mpg, and better features. However, unlike the first three points, the “slightly more upscale options” aren’t inherent to sedans vs crossovers, it’s just that Honda doesn’t offer the tip-top stuff in it’s crossover for some reason (HUD, full digital driver’s display, larger infotainment screen, google integration, etc).
@@DaveDDD i guess. The features you listed are usually reserved for the Acura stuff, but post 25 hondas at least get google integration lol
Those lamenting the loss of v6 cars reminds me of back in time where those of us that still love our torquey V8s were forced into 4 cyl and 6 cyl cars. Things just continue to get worse.
Great video. My daily driver is at 2017 Honda Accord touring V6 I bought brand new with 17 miles on the odometer.
I’ve driven a lot of cars in my day and this is my most favorite car of all time. Not only is it incredibly powerful and fun to drive but it gets in incredible gas mileage. On a nice flat surface where I live in Texas I can easily get 35 miles to the gallon Doing 70 miles an hour.
Just so you know I actually had my car Dyno tested several years ago because a buddy of mine has a performance shop, and my 3.5 L V6 actually produced 301 hp and 276 pounds of torque. It’s way more powerful than Honda claims on paper.
The McPherson suspension makes that touring model just a joy to drive.
It’s an absolute shame it’s turned into a boring old hybrid bland looking vehicle.
My 2017 in my opinion is the last great Honda Accord ever made.
Keeping my modded, low km 2013 Acura TL 3.7L V6 SHawd. Just installed an aftermarket JVC touchscreen!!
Not great gas mileage but bulletproof reliable.
We’re the lucky ones to have gotten this unicorn (I have a 2010)
Current car manufacturers remind me of LEGO. Almost went belly up in the 90’s/early 00’s. Then, they dropped the frills and went back to basics, making fun. And their product is built to last generations, which is rare for a toy. It’s akin to Toyota before they changed leadership. Time to get back to the basics and make a product people want. Imagine if Chevy/Ford/Dodge brought back their truck designs from the 60’s, with modern convenience AND reliability. They would sell so many.
I'd like to compare carbon footprints with the dweebs who made the CAFE regulations.
hey! i think its really cool you actually reached out and messaged them! this channel is awesome
That silver sedan shown at 0:26 has the 6MT, only available for '06 and '07. Colors were black, silver, or I think white? The sedans with automatics had a black V6 badge, not red. :) Those of you familiar with the coupes can tell me if they did something similar with those 6MT cars. Also unique to those few sedans are the Acura TL (2002, typically) rims, albeit now with 50-series tires.
Our black 2006 sedan has a lot of miles and needs some TLC, but I've never owned a better Accord. It's very nice being able to stay in 6th on the highway and never really have to downshift. I probably should be shopping for a nice 6MT 2.0T before I go full electric ... as much as I've always loved cars, these days I'd be just as happy not having to NEED one at all.
Keep moving forward, kids, regardless of whatever life throws at you!
Drive a TL type S Manual. Thats the ultimate manual accord
i got a v6 205 tlx (which is just a driver focused accord) and even though the transmission gets on my nerves at time. God nothing can beat an N/A v6. Its brought so much joy to my everyday driving and so much emotion to my touge runs while still being an everyday car. It's a shame that the United States, while creating a law as an attempt to encourage smaller cars, flat out just destroys small sporty cars and encourages the ever-growing tanks on the road we see today.
Still want to own a high revving Honda in the future like an s2k or Integra, that's the Honda I idolize 😅
The sad part is that Honda never made a 9th gen V6 sedan with the 6MT. The next best option was the 9th gen with the K24W1 engine with the 6MT, last available in 2017.
Yeah the v6 coupe was nice with a 6spd but was a bit large
@ the coupe form factor was doomed from the start. I wonder if a V6 sedan 6MT would have been more successful
There was a 9th gen V6 accord its been reviewed extensively Engineering explained has a video on it
@@alexg9727the distinction he made is that the 4 door v6 never came with a manual
@ Sedan plus V6 plus manual…
I just picked up a 2022 Accord sport back in Nov. with only 2,600 miles and man it's a blast to drive! Super smooth engine and 10 speed transmission. A lot of torque at low rpms. Never getting rid of it.
Turbo.... ugh
Accord coupe generations 7.5 & 9.5 with the V6 were the best😍. The J30A5 gave good revs and some decent power. The J35Y1 offered more power and reminded me of a VQ motor from Nissan.
Both these coupes were/are stunning; my coupes are always the lookers of the shop floor when in for regular maintance at the dealer.
CAFE standard is stupid in some ways.
From what I've heard, light trucks like the tundra are exempted from this test.
It does not reduce emissions (by much) and it pushes manufacturer to make those big ass killer trucks if you can call them trucks.
And in turn forces consumers to buy said killer trucks.
Therefore massively reducing road safety.
We just got a 2025 Accord Sport and it's a really nice car.
I had the ambient light package put in it like the version of the Accord that they sell in China.
The car feels very premium, the ride is very quiet, and it drives super smooth.
I was pleasantly surprised at how quick it is from a dead stop. The disappointment comes in when you are already driving at speed (like 65mph) and then you step on it...the car feels like it's accelerating very slowly. That's my only complaint.
The way the car drives it feels like you're in a Lexus ES, except it's quieter because of the electric motors.
The Accord is an amazing car, glad you like it! It drives excellent from 0-30. Smooth and quick enough
I have a 2012 Acura MDX, and it was a huge upgrade to my Honda Fit. Going from a lightweight little 1.5L fwd hatch to a 3.7 AWD 4,500lb suv, I was expecting a small bump in power. WOW, did I get a shock when I gunned it for the first time! And it still shocks me every day. The Honda v6 is no joke. The last v6 I had was a GM 3100 in a Pontiac sedan, and it felt slow after 1st gear, so I was expecting similar from a 3700 v6 in a heavier car, but no, there's over a decade of difference in engine technology that makes modern v6s GREAT to have!
Love my 2013 V6 Coupe. Unfortunately not a 6MT but the engine is great.
It’s nuts how the Civic hybrid is now the equivalent of the Accord 2.0 for the Accord. More power and better straight like speed but now with like 50MPG.
It's almost catching upto diesel cars wow
I have a TLX with a 2.0 and a K24 TSX. Great engines and I have driven Honda v6 engines prior. Great stuff sad to see them go.
I own a 2017 v6 coupe 6 speed manual. Such a great car to drive and I hope to put another 200k miles on it.
6MT V6 Coupe gang rise up
‘17 6-6MT 🫡
Had a black '15 EXL with nav. Super fun to drive, wish I never sold it..
used to have a 04 very cool
Yep... you nailed it here! The J35 in the Accord was awesome.
I bought the 9th gen hybrid and absolutely love it. Gave it to my sister when she left for the military but missed it so a year later I bought her a newer accord and took it back lol
I work at a machine shop in the northern San Diego County, we see the 1.5 out of the civic, crv, accord, and sometime the V6 heads for blown head gaskets. We pressure check, leak cheak, resurface. I have even seen a new V6 turbo Tacoma head cracked. The manufactures are being fored to go smaller displacement with turbos. This will continue as long as people keep buying these cars.
I had a 2013 Honda Accord V6 with the automatic transmission. I had the top end trim and with eco mode on, with steady driving, I could get 40mpg on the highway. Was honestly pretty crazy.
I’ve owned a lot of 4 cylinders through the decade. I finally got a V6 car (2007 Accord). I will never go back to a 4 cylinder. A 2.0 turbo may make the same power but I rather have a naturally aspirated motor than turbo. Plus less maintenance. The gas is obviously worse than a 4 cylinder but idc since it’s a very nice comfortable daily 🫡.
Only 150k miles
Very timely video considering the proliferation of perfectly adequate but dull cars. I could have easily afforded a BMW or Mercedes but because of their snob appeal I went for the 10th gen Accord with the 2 lier engine. It is truly a joy to drive and thrilled when I can safely open it up. However I don't see anything I would like to upgrade at this time which is a pity. I don't want a bulky SUV or EV, I want a car. Yes it would be great if Honda could develop a car with more horsepower and torque, and I would be first in line to buy one.
VTEC and v6 best combination ever. It is so sad they are gradually removing vtec from their entire lineup.
Did you know that the J37 also has exhaust VTEC?
@@preludepower420 Bro is it really ? I intially thought it has vtec on intake side just like most v6s cuz they are mostly SOHC.
Not dropping VCM (Cylinder deactivation) though. You buy a V6 and half the time you only get 3 cylinders.
@@mujtaba_vlog5that’s why the J37 is so special
I came from your tiktoks and i love ur video, keep up ur good work
Thanks for dropping by and for the kind words! Appreciate it!
Yet all these engines are available on all the acura products.
Thank you for a superb presentation; I still drive my roomy and comfortable 2016 Accord with its amazing V6!!!!!
Thank you for the kind words. I owned a 2016 Accord and loved it. Great Car!
1:28 As a v6 9th gen owner…. Yes the 10th gen may not be as powerful on paper but it’s a light and day difference on how much more torquey it is compared to my car… And also funny enough its the better option as an enthusiast bc of how much more power you can make of compared to its older v6 counter… i guess it does help to have a turbo compared to a N/A😭😭
People who put the slickfab turbo kit on the J35 just spin tires, for days. Can never gain traction with it again lol
I’m a longtime Honda owner. It’s super frustrating to see the lack of fun to drive cars. I passed on a 2018 Accord Sport because of the rough roads where I live, we’ll never see the like again.
Acura TLX/RDX
@@boatbikemike8571 Si and Type R exist? Integra?
I have a 2.0T Accord, an EX-L. Yes, driving it around town I tend to see about 26 mpg, but when most of my driving was highway, I averaged 35mpg, and on a trip to Philadelphia, I arrived in the city with a 40 mpg average. That's not bad for a car capable of accelerating about as quick as the Pontiac G8 GT I once owned.
I intended to buy a Accord hybrid, but didn't put money on it fast enough, so I ended up with this. Initial reliability problems aside, it's been a good car.
If a 2.0L turbo isn’t emissions efficient enough, that’s not good for the ending era of combustion engines. I’m not old but I’m glad to have been around for long enough to experience it.
I hope Honda watches this video. The EPA and CAFE standards make it hard for these engines to be in sedans anymore. But I really hope that they don’t shelve the J series V6 engines out of their larger vehicles like the Pilot and Odyssey. Yes it’s an older design but it’s a great engine. Its simplicity and widespread DIY information on them keep them a desirable option if I were to buy a Honda in the future.
Big investigation into the J35 right now... looking at around 2 million of them for crank journal rod bearing issue.
I drive a 2009 Acura TL with the V6. Absolutely amazing car, and exceptionally reliable having over 200k miles. I’ve considered upgrading to a 2.0t but I adore the V6 too much, and I’ll definitely not be buying new when there isn’t an engine nearly as exciting anymore.
Ex-Honda employee as well!
i didn't know you were on youtube! i like your short videos
Honda needs to understand that when you sell a car for the middle-classes, you are selling not only an A to B appliance as cheap as possible, you are making the very little peace, isolation and fun there is in their lives: when we are isolated in our cars. Vacation for a few weeks a year, the car is everyday.
I am middle class and despite i need economy appliances, i am willing to sacrifice a little extra income to have a car that feels satisfying to drive.
Honda turned the middle-class fun/luxury into an A to B style econobox, so people like me are steering into Mazda or BMW, depending on their finacial status. Hence the Accord never selling so low in its history.
I agree with this 100%. In our case, we turned our all Honda Family into Mazdas, a Tesla, and even a BMW. Modern Hondas are so lackluster. The CRV feels like a slow tin can next to a CX5. The Acura Integra is also a slow tin can compared to the Tesla Model 3. Nothing, besides their manual transmission, is really exceptional anymore. From the motors, road noise, to the infotainment.
@@billm47645everything is going to feel slow when you have an electric car with instant torque. power is more important than torque, torque is what you’re feeling at take up until you reach your power and, and electric motors are nothing but torque and have very low horsepower numbers
Top quality channel with great research, and even better presenter. Thank you.
I’d love to see you deep dive into the VCM(V6) issues*. I don’t think anyone has actual proof*, but a massive segment of Honda buyers seem to think the VCM is destroying their cars/vans/suvs. There are several layers to this, you have people seemingly taking it upon themselves selling an affordable solution. You have Honda doing/saying nothing, you have these amazing V6 engines with a * on its file now because, at one point it was considered to be one of the best of all time.
Thank you. I do hear a lot about it but just haven’t seen much evidence as you said
@@SeanChandler see "My racing sim feels like real life now." by optimum on youtube. grip limit , steering range of motion, lap type, sound etc all can be personalized... so real life motor sport isn't simply enjoying the mandatory commute
driving funs is escaping perceived danger and driving style for lower emissions(like endurance racing, avoiding need to pitstop for tires, fuel) to whatever extent you wish.
driving rules for sustainability and emissions means: exponential accelerator pedal compression pace from around 5 miler per hour , optimal energy level , engine RPM . put down more power than that before uphills and on downhills brake and steer minimally and steadily.
about emissions: games fail to give that wanted sense of accomplishment if they arnt challenging enough. you might argue "muh study, da uder study, buh buh who fund study, da money printers" etc, but its a good general rule to not mess with natural order. so whatever is lightweight and efficient, Electric car or not, probably good enough. that is how some people truely do care about emissions and arnt only trying to pretend like their somehow better than some other or hopeing theyll get some cheap little admiration, like a nerd or a bimbo or something.
now for some RCR-ish transcendentalism
it seems people FEEL what cant simply be simulated and is most important in life is: family(improving genetic quality of society, etc) then fucking(sekz) because "phermones" at least in healthy opposite gender, no birth control pill, slowly transitioned into natural fat/meat no carb diet, etc. after those 2 is , finding, food, then fragrances., by "finding, i mean regularly dedicating some tome to existential exploration.
its in this order of importance because genes that spread tend to rather help spreading than not. less important parts are less satisfying without the more important ones, sorta of like giving a starving dying person vegetables instead of eggs n meat, expecting itll feel just as good vs having that junk food after hes healthy.
be against anti appreciation desentization as happens from overdose.
For the Camry glazers saying “at least Camry has V6”, it doesn’t anymore. They didn’t even replace it with their T24A
Used to love my 2020 Accord 2.0t Touring 😭
7:24 Look up the new Hybrid systems from honda 😉, it seems like there CRV and the accord will get a new 3rd electric motor in the back for AWD + the new S+ mode
Problem is they putting the same little 4 cylinder in crossovers
After getting rid of my Accord Sport 2.0t I regretted it once I went to buy a new Accord Touring and realized I hated driving it. That 10 speed was amazing I’m hoping that they bring that combo back in some form.
it’ll never happen, as long as the emissions standards continue the way their going you’ll be stuck with a cvt 4 cylinder car until they force us to go fully electric. my suggestion is if you must buy new get a hybrid version of the car you want if it’s offered. you’ll get that low end you’re seeking, just know that hybrids don’t start the engine till you’re going 20-40mph so your gas engine will be cold so it’ll be like your car now. gotta drive it gently and warm it up or if you can start the gas engine up when you get in if the car allows you too
@@SStarlight9614 yes for sure. I ended up getting a Tesla Model 3 Performance. It’s actually been great and checks all the boxes and a few more. Sometimes I do miss the engine noise and feel of a turbo spooling up. But I’m happy with my car.
neva getting rid of my 17 si. full bolt ons, big turbo, and e30 has made this car a absolute blast to drive
I miss the V6 6MT Accord!
Honda also struggled with problematic automatic transmissions for as long as I can remember, but most of their manual transmissions were good back in the day (with a few notable exceptions). I purchased/drove nothing but Honda/Acura from 1982 to 2010, but they were all manual. The brand today doesn't appeal to me at all for a variety of reasons (styling, CVTs, Turbo garbage, lower build quality & reliability, ever-increasing vehicle size creep, etc.).
i got a accord coupe in 2012 brand new off the lot with 7 miles v6 6 speed i really regret letting that car go not knowing they would totally stop making them
The only thing that kept me from getting an accord was the lack of AWD. So an AWD Accord with a hybrid system and 5.5sec 0-60 time would be a dream. Only problem is that Accords are a pretty much bargain cars and that kind of trim (and dealership markups) would probably make it a mid $40k-$50k car. And I don’t know who in their right mind would pay that much for an Accord.
In Canada, it’s simple, we have 3 cats like that now, the Accord, the Camry and the Kia/Hyundai ones, but nothing else in the “big” sedan world except some Germans but those are more of luxury cars
I would still rather have a V6. When I worked at Nissan I leased three different model Altima's over the years an 06, 2012, and a 2013 with a V6. These drove so much better than the 2.5 engines. The turbo they replaced the V6 was in my opinion very harsh and noisy. Plus the 06 and and the 13 model got better than 35 mpg gallon on the highway. The Honda V6 must be a reliable engine because I still see some on the road now and then. Glad to see Honda is still putting a V6 in the Ridgeline, the Passport and the Pilot.
Just got a Mazda 3 turbo, absolute blast of a compact hatchback. I hope Mazda keeps making at least a few of these fun if inefficient cars. I have no issues with electric, I like my partners hybrid, but I just want that ICE, I want that feeling of life.
Hell, even now, the very relaxed (almost too relaxed) 6 speed automatic in the Mazda felt like more of a car enthusiast concern as everything is being replaced with CVTs. I couldn't have imagined thinking that 20 years ago.
Nice! I just reviewed the Turbo and got to spend a week with it. Fantastic little car.
Why can Acura sell it?
I loved and miss my 2015 V6 touring
Two years ago I test drove a 2018 Acura TLX V6 and that was very smooth. In August of last year i purchased a pre-owned '22 TLX coming out of a 2018 Camry. My '22 TLX although responsive still doesn't feel as smooth as the '18 V6 TLX. I'm also surprised that the new Accord doesn't offer any higher power engine options. I thought that the Accord 2.0 was the same as the TLX Turbo engine 🤔. And eventhough the RLX has been discontinued. Owners love their Hybrid which makes more horsepower then the base trim. Honda could have taken the RLX Hybrid Engine toned down the Horsepower some and placed that in the Accord maybe as a engine options.
Admittedly I haven't driven all the different models and powertrains, but I just prefer the sound and feel of a V6.
The last V6 family sedans that were on the market were the Nissan Maxima and Volkswagon Arteon. Commonly, the cars with these engines are super low volume nowadays. To justify them in the face of the growing cost due to regulation just wouldn’t make huge sense, and that sucks.
Its hard, cause on one hand, yeah I get why with the regs, we’re burning the planet. But also I like that these cars exist and intend to own one. Tech and volume of advancements grows every day and no knew V6s miss out on the improvements technology can offer.
One ought to wonder that if free valve technology was mature by now any configuration of engine could claim high efficiency
Great video. Love my 25 Si … probably the last of its kind.
Your point about the Camry and potentially getting the higher output turbo 4 + hybrid powertrain options from the RAV4 Prime is probably correct. As a V6 owner I'm sad to see the V6 go from the last gen, and similar to Honda, the current Camry lineup doesn't have a "high power" powertrain.
To add, Toyota *could* (likely won't) take the 350+ HP even higher output version of the turbo 4 + hybrid powertrain as found in the Lexus RX and Toyota Crown, which share a similar TNGA platform as the Camry, so the powertrain shouldn't be too hard to swap in a Camry. Their "TRD" could see another generation with that powertrain and AWD.
As for the Accord, it seems like they don't really have a high power hybrid powertrain, and I'm not sure if they're working on one. I certainly hope. But it's been a second since Honda made a new-from-the-ground-up higher output powertrain. Even their latest higher output options were just newer variants of very old engine families. The Acura Type S 3.0L V6 is just a boosted J series and the 2.0T are boosted K series, both families from like 2 decades ago almost.
I said this to myself! Wondering if the new "TRD" or "GR" Camry can be a turbo 4 hybrid system making 300+ HP could be really fun but its a long shot since they are bringing back the MR2 and the celica
I went from an 05 Accord V6 coupe to a 18 Accord 1.5T bc of the 05 kinda aging out. The engine was still mechanically great, the paint and the rest of the car started to age poorly. I miss that old engine a lot. MPGs were in the high 20s at best. The 1.5T will move, but after a couple secs of the pedal down all the way. I'm just at 38k miles still and ive had zero issues mechanically so far. I get 38 mpg without even trying on normal driving, on the interstate, 42-44 is pretty easy to get also. I bet it could get over 45mpg if you were able to just drive at 58-62mph for a whole tank as that seems to be its real sweet spot.
If they do bring the turbo option back it would be nice but I gotta tell you I have a 2024 hybrid L sport Accord and I am really not missing the turbo option. I would suggest people who are saying no to the Accord based on the lack of a turbo option go to a dealership and test drive one.
if this new gen accord had a V6 or even 2.0T in it with an option of a manual transmission it would be selling like crazy
I have a unicorn (albeit Acura) 300hp V6, SH-AWD, and a six speed manual transmission. The fourth generation Acura TL. And as a bonus it’s old enough that it has no digital nanny’s 😊
I have a 21 2.0t with almost 400hp and it’s the most fun I’ve ever had in an economy car ever
How did Toyota keep the v6 Camry TRD for an extra generation while accord didn’t??
@@Inferno45 no they didn't
The accord and camry lost their big engines at around the same time
@@ShaiyanHossainno the trd last year was 2024 accord 2.0t last year was 2022
I had a 2008 Honda Accord V-6, and it was the best car I ever owned. So sad :(
Didn't have a V-6, but I still love my old Honda Torneo SiR over any Accord that's offered today.
A few months ago bought a 25 Civic SI ... one of the last dinosaurs with a 6MT (which is a good thing)
He is right about the TLX type S I have one and it's basically a 2 seater
PLUS THEY'RE UGLY.THE PRESENT ACCORD LOOKS SQUASHED.
Agreed, it's so unappealing.
I've been driving for almost 30 years and owned 4 accords. The V6 Accord hybrid makes a great "performance" car. What I really wanted is an optional 4WD Accord. I am okay with an electric motor in the back, just like the most recent 4WD Prius. Not holding my breathe.
they made 4wd accords for japan.
they wouldn't make one now for America because it would make it a better car than the cash cow crv
Glad I got one of the last 2.0T Accords.
‘13 V6 EXL Coupe . Uber underrated engine . Check out my cold start video 😏
My first car was 03 Honda v6 it was so fun to drive I started looking for 2017 v6 couldn’t find any so I went with the 2017 sport now I’m in the market for a BMW or AUDI
I actually bought a luxury sedan that has AWD, does 0-60mph in 5 seconds, and averages over 50 mpg. It's my BMW 330e xDrive. I just gave it to my daughter though because I just bought a Lucid Air Touring a few weeks ago.
That MPG number uses electricity as well, doesn't it? That's a great benchmark for Honda to match, though! Congrats on the Lucid Air -- how do you like it?
We should loosen cafe restrictions on normal cars and make it so strict on crossovers that they are forced out of the market
Traded off the wife's 22 Accord touring with the 2.0 and 10 speed for something that was worse off in mpg with a 2023 wrx and its parked right next to mine in the driveway.
Certain buyers dont really care what the mpg you get out of a vehicle as long as its fun to drive and gets you from point A to point B safely.
I had a 2008 Honda Accord Sedan with the v6. Sold it and got a 11th Gen Civic with the 2.0L non turbo. I regret that decision every single time I get into the Civic. Only thing better is the MPG. That’s it.
I thought the 2.0T had less problems with oil dilution. Doesn't seem like the best move to get rid of it, but then again, I won't buy one. (Too busy enjoying my 2.3T.)
Could they not just turn down the boost and trend down to smaller wheels?
I'm guessing the the 2liter from the old accord is reserved for the prelude with the 2 doors. Along with the old auto and manual option.
Lol the new Prelude will be hybrid only, with an eCVT!
If Honda merges with Nissan and Mitsubishi, Mitsubishi’s PHEV is a hidden gem, or should I say hidden “Crystal Mover” for Honda. Mitsubishi’s PHEV powertrain makes a combined 252hp and 332lbft of torque in the Outlander. Nissan will borrow this powertrain to get their Rogue in the PHEV game and I think this could also benefit Honda as well.