I have owned Hondas for over 3 decades and last decade have owned Toyotas. By far, Toyotas ages more gracefully than Hondas. Toyotas also are annoyingly reliable. You will only sell your Toyota if you are bored with the vehicle…not because of quality issues.
By and large parts break-down in both and you have to spend the money on these services. Toyota to me ensures all the parts and systems are top notch whereas Honda does that only on major systems. Honda’s lower systems are designed to break and provide gravy to their shops.
I have only owned, invested, and maintained Toyota and Honda vehicles, over 200K mileage. The power train (stock engine) are very strong and reliable. Your domestic car makers all have engine problems before evening reaching 100k mileage. Crappy shitty imports like Kia and Hyundai , their engines fail at 60K and barely have any power and torque
Same. My family has owned Toyotas and Hondas all my life. I’ve always had civics since highschool. Looking to get my first Toyota Corolla hybrid after watching this channel. Love this guy.
Car Care Nut, you may be a mechanic by day, but i think you were born for UA-cam / making educational videos. Great explanations, thanks for sharing your knowledge with us!!
After driving Fords most of my life, I bought a new 2017 Camry. Loved it! Traded it at 2 years for a new 2019 Camry Hybrid. Beautiful, great gas mileage no issues at all. Kept it 4 years. Got most of my money back when I traded it in after 4 years for the 2023 Toyota Crown Limited with Advanced Technology Package. It only comes in Hybrid. Awesome car! Sits higher than a standard sedan, love this! All the bells and whistles. The package gives me the panoramic camera that I must have for safety. Very smooth ride, smoother than my Camry's and they were great! Today I got 52.6 mpg. Avg is 42 mpg.
Your ability to understand and explain mechanical engineering concepts in simple terms is just amazing to me, it's why this is my favorite car channel on youtube by far. Mad respect for all of you master techs out there
Wtf does master tech even mean? Perhaps you mean someone who has a functional understanding of vehicle electronic systems. In that case then, I must be a god-appointed-tech. I just love these terms ppl come up with to try and point out that someone who claims to be something is actually half-decent at it. I've lost all hope a long time back..
As a Toyota fan and owner, i have huge respect for the japanese sibling. They are both quality cars. I prefer the slight utilitarian dullnes of the Toyota over the Honda techy video game character, but that's just a matter of taste. I'm glad both are still putting out great cars. Now, why anyone would buy a german car over these...
If you have tons of money to keep your BMW, Porsche- Audi and Mercedes on their toes why not, they are very good cars with high standards and very high reselling values, plus its prestige. I think (proper) german car owners buy those cars because of these factors, the way I heard german cars are also reliable but you have to be precise with their maintenance, and have a wallet big enough to keep it up.
@@ezustnyil8414 yes, they are mainly symbolic articulations of prestige. And of course, historically they have had the upper hand when it comes to interactive material quality, driving dynamics and comfort. However, the last generations of Japanese (and Korean) cars have completely diminished those gaps in my opinion. Everything has gotten more generic by all means, but it has become clear that the rest of the car industry can do what the Germans have done, while maintaining higher quality, reliability and longevity.
@@Buffalobulltofta Good in theory but not in reality. VW/Audi, BMW, and Mercedes place a priority on comfort first and then driving dynamics. They achieve it while the Japanese and Koreans make attempts which often miss. It is not a hit or miss with BMW. They hit the targets.
@@jamesmedina2062 they also hit back to the dealer 5 times in the first year of it's life. That's just statistics, in reality. Historically you are right, things have changed the last couple of years however. I've owned a bunch of contemporary BMW's (and even more unfortunate, Audis) and still drive them all the time for work, it gets old. And foremost, they have completely lost their distinction.
@@Buffalobulltofta I agree, but not everyone, the best example is how the car community is divided by their needs, for example many people claim that Lexus's luxury and high end sport cars are less "power" and "practicality" for the money than a porsche or other german high end sport cars, but I believe true luxury and fun is the lower amount of time your cars needs to spend in a dealership. Plus many cars drives differently, as a Japanese car owner I respect their power, I know a BMW or an Audi will accelarate faster or achieve higher speed, but when the corner is coming I know its my turn, all of these cars have their places and their ownder types, only the needs and the amount of money is different.
As a technician Toyota is the gold standard in hybrid technology no one else especially Hyundai and Kia has never been close to Toyota reliability and longevity and they have perfected their hybrid technology for more than 25 years.
I got a 15 Prius with over 120k miles. Zero issues whatsoever. Low maintenance & great mpg. Best thing I like about my Prius is that it's made in Japan.
Great explanation on the differences. I own both Toyotas and Hondas and you nailed it. The Toyotas are more reliable but the Hondas are just better to drive and still pretty reliable. At least that's what I tell folks.
RAV 4 Hybrid 2018 4WD owner here. I swapped from a similar but 2WD RAV 4 to get Vehicle Stability Control and of course 4WD when needed. The 4WD model has 2 electric motors in addition to the 197HP petrol engine. When you floor it for a quick overtake etc, the car takes off like a rocket ! So very impressive. I love the built-in reliability and dependability of Toyota above all else and it would take a mountain to shift my love of this. Thanks for a great video AMD. You managed to explain the complex comparisons so clearly.
I'm an Insight owner and I average 47mpg, 470 mile per tank full, 10 gallon tank. I've driven Japanes cars for over 30 years now, I'm hooked on Honda but I do like the Toyotas and I've owned Nissans also. Either way the both are great and you do a great job on your channel.
My cousin has a 2023 CRV Hybrid and it was insane how fuel efficient it was. Of course, it got the best MPG for in town driving and all that, but held its own for long distances too. You can't go wrong with the new Honda hybrids for sure. Has this nice shuttle like sound too and it's super quiet for the most part.
We have a 2019 Honda Indsight Touring. We almost always beat the EPA mileage. It does have a noticeable lag at start, especially since we use eco mode which exaggerates that.
I own a 2023 Honda CR-V Hybrid Sport Touring....(March 15th/1100 miles on it now) The RAV4 I looked at Apples for Apples was $3-5K more.....I read Car and Driver through and through, and Consumer Reports, and others, and the CRV blew the Rav4 away... My CRV is smooth as silk, no engine noise at all, NO shifting feelings at all, the Adaptive Cruise just Rocks as does Lane Keeping! I run in ECON mode and get 37 Mpg....SPORT mode is unbelievable and the car takes off like a Ferrari, or a Jaguar.... I think electric and engine drive 4 wheels together. The AWD is awesome, as I can make corner turns and not have any issues. In Sport mode the Artificial shifting is great, (thru the speakers) and I feel like Mario Andretti! With Bose Sound, all power seats, other features, above the basic models, I am at $43K.....I couldn't touch the Rav4 for less than $46-49!.....The paddle shifters work great, and I increase my regen breaking often, at 3 levels, and for stopping/charging! The Hybrid in this car is awesome, as it goes in and out all the time, and does not stop at 25mph, and make the engine take over. I have seen hybrid drive at 45mph, at times!....Do NOT like the AC Compressor running from the EV Battery!........Love my CRV!
Hondas are better than Toyota s for sure, but their prices are getting ridiculous. Imagine spending $34,000 for 1.5L T Honda Civic. Where I'm currently living the civic costs $34,000 and this is not an SI, just a normal 1.5L Civic
I'm three days into a '21 Accord Hybrid -- did not think I'd like the lane keeping at all, but it's great! Haven't tried the adaptive cruise yet. Still feeling out the paddles... cool for regen and saving the brakes, but weird that I'm in charge of that part of the operation. Reset the trip meter for my commute to and from work today, and I was dead on 40mpg, mostly stop-and-go with a short stretch of highway.
Just recently made my own comparison between Rav4 Hybrid and CRV Hybrid. And I chose the Rav4. It felt stronger, better acceleration, less road noise and rattling, better feeling seats, better storage space for how I use it. And a real spare tire. And I’m loving the vehicle. 45.3 mpg over 7500 miles of driving. And I’ve owned many Honda vehicles, traded from a HRV. This is my second Toyota, first was 1994. Very happy with my decision. Thanks for being the best car channel on utube.
Just purchased a '24 CR-V Sport L (hybrid) after driving the whole segment, including the Korean and American vehicles. Honda drove FAR quieter (used NIOSH app on my smart phone to document cabin noise in both--not close) at all but take off speeds, was more refined inside and out and felt more solidly planted on the road than the RAV4. To boot, it has better availability and thus a lower real world price tag as well, which is huge. There have to be new cars on the lot, not just on factory order, or nobody's having a driving experience at all! Toyota's struggling with that right now, unfortunately. I understand the compromises/potential vulnerabilities with the Honda transmission (although there were some inaccuracies presented), braking and AWD systems, but I chose to prioritize the every day driving experience over potential maintenance issues in the distant future. If we wanted strictly reliable cars, they would be extremely crude, uncomfortable, unwieldy, unsafe and underpowered. That's not for me. I'll enjoy pleasant driving today and deal with any potential reliability issues (and with Honda, those are not a given by any stretch) when and if they occur. I totally understand a RAV4 purchaser's laser focus on reliability and all things practical, like a donut spare. I wish I could have that cake as well, but I'm too busy over here eating my driving experience cake. 😁
I love Hondas man, that is been my main car for my somewhat short time on earth. Ive owned one 4th gen accord MT 270000 miles all stock and 3 6th gen accords, one V6 and 2 4Cyl 5MT, I will always love my Hondas if I havent made it clear, but TOYODA will ALWAYS be king in reliability
I own a Honda Clarity Plug In Hybrid and I will say I absolutely love the fact that the engine can ran as simply a generator, and not as a drive motor. Makes the experience driving much smoother, and as you put it, refined. Being born and raised with German cars, the driving experience has always been important to me. That has always been one of my "Why don't they design it this way" thoughts of hybrid systems, and one thing I gave GM huge credit for, for actually designing a system that way. Diesel locomotives have been that way for 100 years, why not passenger vehicles.
Great to see Honda vs Toyota alive and well. Basically hybrid = Japanese do it better. I’d personally have a little more confidence in the Toyota system for long term ownership mainly due to their experience but good to see its close. Toyota 5th generation hybrid sounds like a very mature development to the next level. I remember when you compared the Hyundai system, not impressed with that one.
I have a 2020 Honda Insight. I drive about 500-700 miles per week for work. Absolutely love it. The two motor hybrid system is amazing. I'll likely get another Honda for work again when this one is 5-6 years old. I currently have almost 70k on it with no issues at all. I really like the new CRV that is being discussed in this video. If they don't make a civic hybrid (to replace the discontinued Insight), then I'll likely get a CRV. I've never owned a Toyota, but I've considered them and may consider one instead of the Honda possibly. Either way, can't go wrong with either system. They both seem to be bulletproof. The Japanese vehicles are so refined and reliable. Great information here from one of the best car technicians on UA-cam! Keep up the great work!
I own a 2023 Honda CR-V Hybrid Sport Touring....(March 15th/1100 miles on it now) The RAV4 I looked at Apples for Apples was $3-5K more.....I read Car and Driver through and through, and Consumer Reports, and others, and the CRV blew the Rav4 away... My CRV is smooth as silk, no engine noise at all, NO shifting feelings at all, the Adaptive Cruise just Rocks as does Lane Keeping! I run in ECON mode and get 37 Mpg....SPORT mode is unbelievable and the car takes off like a Ferrari, or a Jaguar.... I think electric and engine drive 4 wheels together. The AWD is awesome, as I can make corner turns and not have any issues. In Sport mode the Artificial shifting is great, (thru the speakers) and I feel like Mario Andretti! With Bose Sound, all power seats, other features, above the basic models, I am at $43K.....I couldn't touch the Rav4 for less than $46-49!.....The paddle shifters work great, and I increase my regen breaking often, at 3 levels, and for stopping/charging! The Hybrid in this car is awesome, as it goes in and out all the time, and does not stop at 25mph, and make the engine take over. I have seen hybrid drive at 45mph, at times!....Do NOT like the AC Compressor running from the EV Battery!........Love my CRV!
@@bubbame732 you got a great vehicle. My hybrid has been great. I usually average around 48mpg overall. It's too bad Honda discontinued my model. The CRV looks great in the new body style. Excellent choice!
@@darylhurlbut3473 yes...totally agree....only downer was the rearview mirror did not include Homelink, so I added it afterwards, (pricey) and also didn't realize the mirrors don't fold in. I have some small concerns about AMD mentioning carbon build-up because of the Direct Injection, so I am kicking around using premium gas on this 2.0 liter! Wife has a new Acura (Honda Mfg) MDX "Tech" Model, and gas mileage very poor, (V6) so if they come out with a Hybrid MDX, were gonna switch in a year or so!
@@n9athan I heard that. I'm looking forward to it. I just got a Hyundai Santa Cruz for my personal car, so my Insight wil need to go another 3 more years until 2026. Then I can get a new business car. I'm pretty sure the new Civic Hybrid will be what I get. Hondas are awesome and our nearest dealer is amazing. I watched a video on UA-cam and the driver in europe said he was getting the equivalent of 60 mpg. My car is sometimes in that range, but overall im closer to 48. Still pretty good. And still possible that I may get a CRV Hybrid instead of the Civic. Honda just maes some of the best vehicles around. Hopefullly my Santa Cruz is able to pass the test of time. First time buying a Hyundai.....
I've owned a dozen Hondas and a few Toyotas. Both are excellent. I also do all my own mechanical work as well. I find that I find things I love, and things I don't about both of them. Hondas seemed to be more fun to drive than Toyotas. Toyotas tend to be more straightforward than Honda, but Hondas are really well-engineered and they seem to understand that someday someone will be working on it. You can't go wrong with either brand.
I am a real Honda driver. Drove a honda shuttle for 464000 km. Now a 2007 CRV with already 370000km. My WiFi drives a 2019 CRV hybrid. Love all three of them. ☺️
I’m in the UK and been thinking of selling my 92k mile CRV AWD 2.2 diesel for a Toyota CHR. We have so much rubbish over here with ULEZ (ultra low emission zone that’s in London and set to spread like a cancer). I think you’ve convinced me to buy the Honda. Not least because of its combined 42mpg, strong performance and 50mpg on the motorway/freeway…!!!!
I have driven a Honda CRV as a rental car. I currently own a 2023 RAV4 Prime and they are pretty much even in terms of comfort and good driving manners. My Honda garden tools, however, are many notches above other companies. My lawn mover starts, after a long winter slumber outside, on the second pull, even though it is 20 years old. Never had a spark plug replaced or the carburetor fixed. My weed trimmer is the same: only yearly oil changes and very reliable. Until Toyota makes a lawn mover or a week wacker, Honda has the edge for me.😆
You got me thinking there. Imagine Honda wallowing in gas engine technology big and small and Toyota dealing with big engines only and yet Toyotas are more reliable. Hmmm....
Replacement occurs well after 100,000 miles. A friend who works at a music store with help from his high school son replaced his gen 2 Prius battery in an afternoon. The rebuilt battery was $2000, including shipping of the replacement and the returned core. Old batteries are too valuable for the landfill.
I often heard about "CVT droning". This is often shown when someone "floors it" to accelerate aggressively during a drive to demonstrate it. The reality is, when you are driving it normally, you'll never notice it since the eCVT will always keep the engine RPMs in the most efficient range. If you floor it, you are asking the vehicle for maximum power, which is achieved at the engine's peak power range (likely in the 4500 RPM range). In a vehicle with a conventional transmission, the gears would allow the engine to get up that speed, but then a shift do the next gear would drop it down to (example) 3000 RPM and the engine has to get back up to 4500 again. An eCVT simply adjusts the ratios so the engine can get to 4500 RPM (very quickly) then adjusts the ratios to keep the engine speed there as the speed increases, maximizing power, acceleration and efficiency. One really nice thing about the eCVT is the smooth driving characteristics if provides. There is no "shifting" so you don't get that "bump" you normally get during a gear change. I have a Toyota Hybrid and love it. It's very fuel efficient and one of the reasons I bought it was the bulletproof reliability they are known for. In the nice weather, my Venza can get high 4s in the city (50 mpg). If you rev the engine really high, it's not the best sounding, but that's not because it isn't a good engine (it is), it's a larger displacement (2.5L) engine that also runs on the Atkinson cycle (at 14:1 compression). It's designed to maximize efficiency, not set lap times at your drag strip (although, it is peppy if you stomp it).
You hit the head on the nail there jeffer! You are 100 % right,I agree,I find it very smooth unless you are really heavy footed,then yes there is a definite drone! If you normally drive with a heavy foot to notice the drone often,you have to question weather it would be beneficial to have a hybrid,not sure that you would gain enough efficiency to pay for the extra cost. Excellent explanation jeffer!
I have never driven a cvt or ecvt one false thing about the "bump" is that is a manual only thing. automatics dont have that. most you will notice is a dip in rpm follow by rapid rise. Even when floored all i hear is the engine going from super quiet to low screams and alot of wind noise. now if you drive a manual this is very noticeable but only when the clutch is engaged and gear is changing. You will also see the car jerk during gear change. Automatics are smooth as butter. And only slightly worse mpg than manuals.
Not only are CVTs and eCVTs two totally different things, but eCVTs are three or four totally different things all by themselves. It's a marketing term that doesn't refer to anything in reality except the presence of at least one electric motor. The video explained in some detail that the two "eCVTs" he's looking at aren't even remotely similar in mechanics or driving characteristics. Your experience with your Toyota doesn't tell you anything about either CVTs or the transmissions in other automakers' hybrids.
@@moarsaur Toyota's eCVT is just a planetary gear set. It's the best system out there. I'm not sure who else uses it. It seems to be relatively uncommon but it is the most reliable system. Some other brands use conventional automatics, some use belt or chain driven CVTs, Toyota uses a planetary gear set.
I so enjoyed this video presentation of these two automotive giants. The way you explained the systems differences and similarities were carefully and professionally presented which added my understanding. I consider myself much more informed because of your grasp of the mechanical complexities of these companies offerings, your pleasant delivery, and the smooth "Hollywood" quality cinematography. You brought your "A" game as usual my friend. Thank you.
I agree . The DRONE part confused me . Does he mean that the transmission is loud ? I find that the most noise comes from the tires related to types of surfaces. And some wind noise at higher speeds . The engine and exhaust can get loud at higher RPM but, that is to be expected. YOUR THOUGHTS Dan .
Recently purchased a 23 Rav4 Hybrid (Woodland trim!) and am loving the ride. It is very smooth from a stop. The transition to ICE is subtle and I hardly notice it, even as someone who has not had a hybrid before. The AWD system is surprisingly nice. There's ample videos showing how capable it truly is! Your videos helped a lot in making my decision and also showed me the ways to make this a LONG term vehicle
Same boat… and bought the Woodland as well (loved those bronze wheels and trees since the press release came out). I’ve had both a Honda (first car) and a Toyota. Toyota lasted 16 years, hopefully the woodland lasts at least 12-15 years or longer.
Thank you for the great review. I have watched numerous RAV4 hybrid and CRV reviews. Most of them talk about superficial items. I've always appreciate your mechanical reviews and in-depth clarity on how systems work. Thank you again for all your great help in these reviews and explanations.
Another great video! I imagine the majority of your viewers own Toyotas and Hondas so it's really great to see how the design/engineering compares overall.
Nice comparison. I had no choice, in 2022 we didn’t have a hybrid CRV(Canada). , But very happy with my Rav. I’d still pick Rav. Seems like less to maintain, and Toyota has been making hybrids a long time.
Even for 2023 choice in Canada is no better. CRV Hybrid exists only in one trim for 51+K. In the same time there is plenty of Rav4 Hybrid options from 38K to 49K.
The RAV is nice if you hate headroom everywhere and legroom in the back. The RAV is a "tell me you're short without telling me you're short," kind of deal.
As usual , a very professional appraisal of the two vehicles. You certainly know your stuff and provide comment which is very fair to both manufacturers. Very interesting to hear your opinions.
Honda Clarity was, and is still the best plug-in hybrid. The engineers were seriously out to build the best non compact hybrid sedan. However, Honda wasn't serious about marketing it. You couldn't even find it on their website home page. It is closest to a full electric vehicle without the full EV downside. Great channel and content.
I repair older hybrids and long term ,the Toyota hybrid system is far more reliable then all the other systems 🤷🏼♂️, but Honda is head and shoulders better then Kia Hyundai
Bought a Hybrid Highlander last year and love it. I was torn between Sienna and Highlander since we are not a big family after watching your Q&As (btw… I miss those vids). Love the 34 MPG and luxury like features and smooth ride. Because of the supply issues, I was willing to try Hyundai Palisade and Acura MDX, it I’m glade I got The Highlander 😊
Taxi cab mechanic here says nothing beats a toyota. They can be a pain to maintain sometimes but man the mileage on the hybrids goes 300k miles easy. No argument here 😂
In general, I owned both and love both brands. Honda (I have had HRV I, CRV II and Civic VII) gasoline engines are bulletproof, but will have some more issues with minor things. Toyota in general is very reliable, I have a Lexus RX400h and despite its 350k kms, it has just NO ISSUES, but I do care about the regular maintenance.
I've had both Hondas Accords and Toyota Camrys and Corollas most of all my driving years. Bottom line, the Toyotas always got better gas mileage, had far fewer repairs and definitely higher resale values. Both were easy to work on and rode very well. I recently test drove the honda CRV Hybrid, and it felt like a better built vehicle than the RAV-4, but much pricer. I think I'm going to just wait until Toyota decides to come back to earth on supply chain issues, and buy another Camry hybrid. Thank you Car Care Nut and may the person trying to impersonate you on this channel get himself removed.
Idk where you are from but the RAV4 hybrid is much more expensive in the US due to insane toyota markups. Honda doesnt markup their vehicles like toyota does.
@@uberefficent3936 Tucson and Phoenix area. Local dealers, on their lot: Honda CR-V Sport 2wd: $34,835.00 msrp. Rav-4 LE 24d: $ 32,560.00 Msrp. Doc fees and taxes extra. Both hybrids.
@@rogy4965 yeah those are the MSRP prices but then u get on their lot and they got markups... they tried selling me a 2022 gas corolla (not even hybrid) for 30k
Same here, my cars and the family's have always been of these two brands. Except the most failures, which were rare anyway, came from Toyotas. The Corolla interior quality was horrendous compared with the Civic (both 2008-2011 or so). The transmission on the second gen RAV4 died with little over 150K miles on it. Interestingly, it was a Toyota made, not Aisin's. 3rd Gen Rav4 presented minor issues with its computer and again with the tranny. One of the CR-Vs presented suspension issues and the other with over 400K miles on it (a 2008) had only an oil leak lmao. Resale value I found it depend on car from car. Some it was Honda, others Toyota. Overall, we simply do not buy other than those two brands.
Thank you for your expertise information. I am a commuter, and based on your review, I will go with the Toyota hybrid for practicality and long term reliability. Thank you👍
Taxi companies local to me are massive Toyota fans not unusual to see one with 400k plus on the clock, Nothing like a Hybrid Toyota for long term reliability.
I literally watch every one of your videos from beginning to end because I love learning. With that said you still haven’t convinced me to buy a hybrid. For as long as I can I will buy only a gas powered engine. And for as long as I can I will buy only a naturally aspirated engine. I own a 2017 Honda Accord V6 touring and I hope that car last forever. That 3.5 L V6 is the most enjoyable motor I’ve ever had in a vehicle.
Great video but there's a use case angle here that's been missed, and it concerns fuel economy. Honda's series-hybrid approach delivers significant benefits in 25-55mph driving, but their fixed clutches make for excessive RPM compared to Toyota at 70mph and up, with the engine being manacled to the higher speed clutch at a fixed ratio about 50mph and up as opposed to Toyota's CVT adjusting RPM down at high speed whenever it can. This produces some quirks in reviews -- for example the Consumer Reports test is very heavy on 25-55 mph driving and so Honda hybrid fuel economy comes out looking good in a CR test. I'd absolutely favor Toyota as a 70mph-plus freeway cruiser; also for high-intensity city driving given the durability issues raised in this video. But Honda could be a very good suburban commuter in the US or rural secondary roads driver in Europe.
In Europe taxation (at buying stage and monthly) is often done on engine volume. Therefore a 2.0 system makes a whole lot more sense. Performance is about the same unless you want to race on the German autobahn, you'll be doing 120-130 kmh (75-80mph) on the highway and 18 to 30 in the cities. It's why the 1.5 liter engines are popular. Fuel economy of the 1.5 also counts of course. Anyways, in Europe i drive a 2.4 liter which often raises eyebrows, while abroad i have my land cruiser 200 which they don't even sell in the EU as taxes would go through the roof.
@@ryanllts NY Thruway speed limit is 65, as is the limit on parts of many expressways in NY. State Troopers will rarely pull you over for under 75 (if not 80.) Traffic in many places moves faster than 70.
The fixed gear ratio is slightly faster than top gear of the 6-speed manual. Extra torque from the electric motor may be needed to accelerate when the gear is engaged.
Watching your videos makes me appreciate the amount of research and development that has gone into these modern hybrid cars. I am due to take delivery of a new Toyota Carolla 1.8 Excel (UK spec) soon and feel very reasured after seeing the technology that has been built into the vehicle.
My wife gets about 33 mpg on her daily 45 mile round trip to work in our 2017 CR-V EX-L. It has the 1.5L turbo and CVT - we both love it! (72,000 miles). Don't really feel the need for a hybrid right now, but this was VERY informative for a possible future purchase!!
I have a 2017 crv ex 167000 miles was rear ended and fixed properly. Drives like new still. I will drive it till the wheels fall off but Im looking at this videos for future purchase.
mr. Car Care Nut, I've been following all your videos for a long time, it has taught me about engine maintenance & making good car choices. this comparison video has been, by far, my favourite! always wanted to know the mechanical breakdown on both their hybrid systems, Im glad I saw this video!
Excellent video! Thanks for this. I have been in the market to replace my 18 year old Honda Element and test drove both the CR-V Hybrid and RAV4 hybrid. Liked them both. Excellent vehicles.
I started out owning Fords and GM’s. Always had issues. In 2000 got my first Toyota, sure I’ve had Honda’s and I like them. After my 50 years of owning vehicles, Toyota is my choice. All I own now are Toyotas, this is not an accident or good luck. When I invest in a vehicle, as long as I do the routine maintenance, I don’t anticipate unexpected problems. This is how Toyotas have treated me.
I've been very happy with my 2015 Honda Accord Hybrid. Currently at 147k miles, so far only scheduled maintenance and tires. Still get high 40's MPG in temperate weather.
@@Tendertroll1 I can’t think of any car where the only maintenance is oil changes and tires. In my opinion, vehicles last a lot longer when you do all of the scheduled maintenance. It isn’t too often, but yes, I’ve had transmission fluid changed a few times, brake fluid, spark plugs, valve adjustment, coolant flush. Still not too bad though price wise to make sure my Accord Hybrid lasts a long time.
@@Tendertroll1 I hope you are lucky then. Not performing the other maintenance may end up biting you in the ass if you keep that car, or are you getting rid of it for a CRV?
Toyota's experience in hybrid design and their trial/errors, are why I would choose them. Not to mention the after market support for their battery packs compared to Honda. Because of that lack of experience, that's probably why Honda went with GM Ultima battery packs/Architecture for their upcoming EV Prologue model, since GM has had time to hone their EV tech already.
I have the 2023 CRV sport touring and can categorically state that there is not a few-second delay when accelerating quickly, it is immediate. My experience is the 184 HP electric motor is doing all the initial acceleration, and the gas engine only is spinning the second motor to recharge the battery. The clutch engages the gas motor to drive in certain high-speed and towing situations but not for general acceleration. The gear shifts that are heard are simulated and not the result of the clutch kicking in.
I have the CRV Touring Hybrid as well…the acceleration is immediate and the gas engine kicks in afterward. The vehicle is quite a nice vehicle compared to the RAV4 which is not as comfortable, not as quiet, not as sporty, etc
I just bought the Civic Hybrid and the clutch(es) only engage when you’re cruising. Once you floor it the clutch disengages and the motor is driving. CRV has a low range clutch and a high range. Civic and Accord only have 1 clutch.
Great comparison. It's amazing to me after all the great detailed information you provided here, that comments show so many people still don't completely understand what you explained so clearly.
Thank You SO VERY MUCH for the Explanation of the Hybrid's 😊❤ engine's 🎉 I wish more mechanics would Talk about the systems in greater depth, like yourself 😊❤
As a Honda CR-V owner/fanboy, I love your channel and appreciate the overall knowledge I get from watching your videos. Your breakdown here is amazing. I am 3000 miles into a 2023 Honda CR-V Hybrid and it does drive like a dream. While Honda may not have as much hybrid history as Toyota, I felt very confident with my decision to purchase and remain so after watching your comparison. Thank you for the details.
I own a 2023 Honda CR-V Hybrid Sport Touring....(March 15th/1100 miles on it now) The RAV4 I looked at Apples for Apples was $3-5K more.....I read Car and Driver through and through, and Consumer Reports, and others, and the CRV blew the Rav4 away... My CRV is smooth as silk, no engine noise at all, NO shifting feelings at all, the Adaptive Cruise just Rocks as does Lane Keeping! I run in ECON mode and get 37 Mpg....SPORT mode is unbelievable and the car takes off like a Ferrari, or a Jaguar.... I think electric and engine drive 4 wheels together. The AWD is awesome, as I can make corner turns and not have any issues. In Sport mode the Artificial shifting is great, (thru the speakers) and I feel like Mario Andretti! With Bose Sound, all power seats, other features, above the basic models, I am at $43K.....I couldn't touch the Rav4 for less than $46-49!.....The paddle shifters work great, and I increase my regen breaking often, at 3 levels, and for stopping/charging! The Hybrid in this car is awesome, as it goes in and out all the time, and does not stop at 25mph, and make the engine take over. I have seen hybrid drive at 45mph, at times!....Do NOT like the AC Compressor running from the EV Battery!........Love my CRV!
I have been buying Toyotas since 1980 with the latest being a 2022 Camry LE Hybrid. It is my first hybrid and I have no regrets. Easily has a driving range of over 600 miles with the small 13 gallon tank and is just as comfortable as my 2017 gas Camry but with more power if I need it. I hear people say that they would never buy a hybrid because there are two systems to have problems instead of one engine. I just smile knowing that I made the right decision.
we have had our 2012 Lexus RX450H hybrid for 10 years and 240,000 miles...Zero issues, just oil changes and tires... Just bought another 2013 RX450h, 70K miles and giving the 2012 to our 16 year old daughter... The 450h are reliable tanks...LOL
AMD I am a huge fan from day 1. I have owned both Honda's and Toyota's equally. The 1 thing that makes me lean towards Toyota is the dual injection, as far as quality, efficiency, and reliability they are both great manufacturers.
Toyota/Honda is the only car brands I will ever own or recommend people. Toyota generally makes an overall more reliable car. But Honda makes great cars as well. The Type R 2.0 is bullet proof from what I’ve seen.
Honda hybrid system is true EV. The gasoline engine is only turning generator to power large electric motor and charging batteries as long as speed is less than 45 MPH. But after 45 mph, the engine is connected directly to the wheels ( two clutches he talked in this video) so in fact there is no transmission. On Toyota hybrid that called parallel system, both engine and electric motors works together. Gasoline engine constantly off and on depending on speed. Both of these two systems have their pro and con.
I have an 1998 Toyota Camry with 250 000 Miles and a 1990 Honda Lead Scooter with 30 000 Miles I Love them both they both Bild very good engines and vechicles.
Contrary to popular belief, both of these systems include a clutch. You can't connect an ICE to the wheels of a vehicle without some fail-safe device in case of catastrophic change in engine speeds. Toyota calls it a "torque damper." It is a clutch that is permanently applied, but "slips" a little when the rpm of the engine, and what it connects to, change inconsistently. The issue is that this happens more in the Toyota system, than the Honda system, when the engine is started. The Power Split Device in a Toyota tries to maintain the rpm relationship 18*ICE=5*MG1+13*MG2. EV Drive is accomplished by making MG1=-2.6*MG2 (motors can run backwards). To start the ICE, the system simply slows MG1 (or starts it, if the car is at rest). MG2 can't change because it is geared directly to the wheels, so this results in a slip between the Torque Damper's clutch plates. The Honda system starts the engine using the generator as a motor, when it is not connected to the wheels. So there is no counter-force requiring the torque damper to slip. And the over-drive clutch is only engaged after the engine has reached the same rpm as the overdrive gear, so again there is no slippage. So the Toyota system has potential clutch failures, and the Honda system does not. ua-cam.com/video/qaqqs3nKy4g/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/wzCACoJn-wM/v-deo.html
Great video as I always expect from you AMD! Only one thing I would change...the comparison should have been between two SUV's not between a sedan and an SUV. Perhaps this Honda CRV vs Toyota RAV4? There would be a difference in ride and driving/handling between a sedan and an SUV. There are differences between a sedan and an SUV in terms of weight and wheelbase, both of which make for differences in handling, acceleration and braking. Keep these great videos coming AMD! I thoroughly them.
Probably the best two-car comparison I've ever seen - great job, superb. You are definitely the UA-cam go-to guy for car reviews that thoroughly explore engineering and quality. I've learned in the last couple of years that, whatever other reviews I'm reading for reliability, etc., such as Consumer Reports, nothing comes close to the Car Care Nut for informative insight that provides a solid basis for making a decision - always without favoritism or pulling punches. Many thanks for your great service to the public!
As a Aircraft Mechanic , I really appreciate your evaluations and style . Keep these coming and add more vehicles . I really like / wanted this kinda driveline evaluations . Thanks
Excellent comparison but for me, I prefer the Honda AWD mechanical system - feels more normal and behaves more like what you would expect on slippery roads.
I have lots of experience with both brands, in the past and in the present. Both are excellent, you can't go wrong with either one. Remember, Honda is still the largest engine manufacture in the world. Thank you for the video but when I test drove a recent CRV hybrid I found no lag what so ever. Interesting you did though.
I really don't think he did. He misunderstands how the clutch is used, and imagines it must have a lag based on that misunderstanding. He thinks this system has to engage a clutch (around 8:30) to accelerate, after "deciding" which to use. That's where his imaginary lag is. The truth is that the clutch disengages, when that happens, with no lag. The choice of which is predetermined by speed, in low-power situations. Any "lag" would be between two cruising modes, and so will not be felt.
Ahmed can you plss compare both naturally aspirated engine and turbofied engine in one of your next videos id really love to hear it from someone like you since your such an expert in explaining this stuff and i love watching your videos it really feels simple and not thst hard to understand what your saying man!
What an outstanding overview of Toyota vs Honda corporate ethos. Thank you! Your channel stands out from the rest. We are currently shopping for a RAV hybrid and considering the CRV Hybrid also. Both excellent vehicles. Hyundai is out the window on reliability and stone age architecture. Leaning towards the Toyota, to replace our 2012 Lexus CT200h.
Not quite an apples to apples but I wanted to mention my Acura MDX Hybrid has twin electrical motors in the rear with no drive shaft. It probably more like the Toyota where the rear dual electric motors can regenerate power. Another benefit is the ability for the rear to provide torque vectoring.
May not be relevant to US but the Honda Jazz/Fit has a different hybrid system. The gas engine never drives the wheels at all, it only generates power for the small battery, or the separate electric motor that drives the wheels. Kind of like diesel-electric trains. Having driven the last gen non-hybrid jazz, the 1.3l Atkinson cycle engine is adequate on paper with 105hp for 1049kg weight, but that is only on paper. It is criminally slow when paired to the CVT. To a point it's not safe to drive. That is really a shame because the rest of the car is amazing.
No doubt Toyota wins. Toyota has been in the hybrid industry longer. I have owned a 2018 Civic and 2017 Honda pilot. My pilot took a crap at 55k miles so I'm sceptical about Honda's.
Honda’s V6 is known for problems. Their cylinder deactivation feature has led to many new problems when the rear bank is shut off for fuel efficiency. Lots of spark plug failures and vibration mounts falling apart.
Going back in time to get a good basis, and using comparable models (both Accord and Camry were new in 2018), I'll compare the reliability ratings of the Accord Hybrid to the Camry Hybrid: KBB: 2018 Accord 4.5, 2018 Camry 4.1, out of 5. JDPower: 2020 Both Accord and Camry 82/100 (rating method changed in 2020) RepairPal: 2018 Accord, $345/year, 2018 Camry, $379/year Eh, I just decided to add the SUVs; Honda added the CR-V hybrid in 2020: KBB: 2020 CR-V 4.5/5, 2020 RAV4 3.8/5 JDPower: 2020 CR-V 79/100, 2020 RAV4 74/100 RepairPal: CR-V 4.5/5, RAV4 4/5 (not just hybrids, and why a different system?) Each site uses different methodology, and some don't separate hybrids out. And the rating may change with time. I'm not saying that these differences show the same way in all ratings, at all times, or that one is better than the other. Only that *_IF_* you give a reliability nod to one manufacturer's hybrids, based on real data it should be Honda.
We thank you Master Mechanic. The Car Care Nut, your video is very exceptional, others UA-cam had discussed Toyota Hybrid XLE versus Hybrid Honda, you had gone over how each engine performed. The details are very helpful to the consumers to select the right car for them. This is a great video.
I have a 2014 Honda Accord Hybrid and a 2013 Lexus ES300 Hybrid....I love them both, however last month my accord right side drive shaft broke in the middle...I was very surprised about this since I always felt that Toyota and Honda's quality was above all others.
Great analysis as usual. One thing that I have seen in other reviews. The Toyota (RAV4 vs CRV) is more efficient under load (high speed>70 MPH or going up mountains). At low speeds the Honda may do a little better. This comes from the Toyota transmission keeping the engine at top efficiency.
I have owned Hondas for over 3 decades and last decade have owned Toyotas. By far, Toyotas ages more gracefully than Hondas. Toyotas also are annoyingly reliable. You will only sell your Toyota if you are bored with the vehicle…not because of quality issues.
By and large parts break-down in both and you have to spend the money on these services. Toyota to me ensures all the parts and systems are top notch whereas Honda does that only on major systems. Honda’s lower systems are designed to break and provide gravy to their shops.
I have only owned, invested, and maintained Toyota and Honda vehicles, over 200K mileage. The power train (stock engine) are very strong and reliable. Your domestic car makers all have engine problems before evening reaching 100k mileage. Crappy shitty imports like Kia and Hyundai , their engines fail at 60K and barely have any power and torque
Same. My family has owned Toyotas and Hondas all my life. I’ve always had civics since highschool. Looking to get my first Toyota Corolla hybrid after watching this channel. Love this guy.
Honda transmission is garbage 🗑️
100% total DIY buzz kill, I know I got 2 Camrys and work on my friends Hondas more than family Toyotas 😂
Car Care Nut, you may be a mechanic by day, but i think you were born for UA-cam / making educational videos. Great explanations, thanks for sharing your knowledge with us!!
This is THE BEST automotive channel in UA-cam. Period.
This is the holygrail explanation! UA-cam should award this for quality. Owesome!!!
After driving Fords most of my life, I bought a new 2017 Camry. Loved it! Traded it at 2 years for a new 2019 Camry Hybrid. Beautiful, great gas mileage no issues at all. Kept it 4 years. Got most of my money back when I traded it in after 4 years for the 2023 Toyota Crown Limited with Advanced Technology Package. It only comes in Hybrid. Awesome car! Sits higher than a standard sedan, love this! All the bells and whistles. The package gives me the panoramic camera that I must have for safety. Very smooth ride, smoother than my Camry's and they were great! Today I got 52.6 mpg. Avg is 42 mpg.
But since that car is more expensive than a Camry, you really don’t “save money “ on gas until many years have gone by….
I'm envious right now. Looky guy.
Buy a 2024 Toyota Venza before gone. I just purchased one few days ago and love it. Very nice interiors and stylish.
The new crown is very nice, great buy 👌🏼
Your ability to understand and explain mechanical engineering concepts in simple terms is just amazing to me, it's why this is my favorite car channel on youtube by far. Mad respect for all of you master techs out there
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Wtf does master tech even mean? Perhaps you mean someone who has a functional understanding of vehicle electronic systems. In that case then, I must be a god-appointed-tech. I just love these terms ppl come up with to try and point out that someone who claims to be something is actually half-decent at it. I've lost all hope a long time back..
@@HristovRumen you need help!!
@@bolt-212 can you help me? 😆
The way he explained the ecvt transmissions were not just confusing but also wrong. I don't see him deserving a praise in this regard
As a Toyota fan and owner, i have huge respect for the japanese sibling. They are both quality cars. I prefer the slight utilitarian dullnes of the Toyota over the Honda techy video game character, but that's just a matter of taste. I'm glad both are still putting out great cars. Now, why anyone would buy a german car over these...
If you have tons of money to keep your BMW, Porsche- Audi and Mercedes on their toes why not, they are very good cars with high standards and very high reselling values, plus its prestige. I think (proper) german car owners buy those cars because of these factors, the way I heard german cars are also reliable but you have to be precise with their maintenance, and have a wallet big enough to keep it up.
@@ezustnyil8414 yes, they are mainly symbolic articulations of prestige. And of course, historically they have had the upper hand when it comes to interactive material quality, driving dynamics and comfort. However, the last generations of Japanese (and Korean) cars have completely diminished those gaps in my opinion. Everything has gotten more generic by all means, but it has become clear that the rest of the car industry can do what the Germans have done, while maintaining higher quality, reliability and longevity.
@@Buffalobulltofta Good in theory but not in reality. VW/Audi, BMW, and Mercedes place a priority on comfort first and then driving dynamics. They achieve it while the Japanese and Koreans make attempts which often miss. It is not a hit or miss with BMW. They hit the targets.
@@jamesmedina2062 they also hit back to the dealer 5 times in the first year of it's life. That's just statistics, in reality. Historically you are right, things have changed the last couple of years however. I've owned a bunch of contemporary BMW's (and even more unfortunate, Audis) and still drive them all the time for work, it gets old. And foremost, they have completely lost their distinction.
@@Buffalobulltofta I agree, but not everyone, the best example is how the car community is divided by their needs, for example many people claim that Lexus's luxury and high end sport cars are less "power" and "practicality" for the money than a porsche or other german high end sport cars, but I believe true luxury and fun is the lower amount of time your cars needs to spend in a dealership. Plus many cars drives differently, as a Japanese car owner I respect their power, I know a BMW or an Audi will accelarate faster or achieve higher speed, but when the corner is coming I know its my turn, all of these cars have their places and their ownder types, only the needs and the amount of money is different.
As a technician Toyota is the gold standard in hybrid technology no one else especially Hyundai and Kia has never been close to Toyota reliability and longevity and they have perfected their hybrid technology for more than 25 years.
Hyundai cars are particularly fuel hungry. I used i20 and tucson in the past. They were both +10L in city traffic
I get slightly over 800km a tank on my 7 year old Hyundai ioniq. Got over 900 when I just got it. It beat my coworker's Prius at the time.
In Japan, Hyundai was know as Fake Honda, especially because we know how Koreans actually pronounce Hyundai.
We have a 2009 Prius it has 340000 miles on it. This car is unbelievable never had anything go wrong with it and still driving it. ❤❤Toyota
Man, this guy is good, I know nothing about mechanic, but understand everything he said.
My car is Toyota, my motorcycle is Honda. Both great Japanese engineering. Very informative content. Thank you all at TCCN TV.
Me also.
now that you mention it, why doesn't toyota have bikes
nice combination
My camera is Canon.
My television is Panasonic.
And my rice cooker is Hitachi.
I got a 15 Prius with over 120k miles. Zero issues whatsoever. Low maintenance & great mpg. Best thing I like about my Prius is that it's made in Japan.
Great explanation on the differences. I own both Toyotas and Hondas and you nailed it. The Toyotas are more reliable but the Hondas are just better to drive and still pretty reliable. At least that's what I tell folks.
I agree with that, I’d also add Hondas in general are nicer looking cars, That new CRV hybrid is a home run for styling IMO
@@coastalhillbilly3419”nicer looking”?? you got some weird priorities
@@sethtenrec how about not as fugly?
@@coastalhillbilly3419 I’ll keep that in mind next time I want to mount a car on the wall in my living room.
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Funny but sad truth is, "it costs the same to make a good looking car as it does an ugly one"
Excellent video Ahmed. Informative, unbiased, no BS, straight to the point. Keep the quality content coming.
RAV 4 Hybrid 2018 4WD owner here. I swapped from a similar but 2WD RAV 4 to get Vehicle Stability Control and of course 4WD when needed. The 4WD model has 2 electric motors in addition to the 197HP petrol engine. When you floor it for a quick overtake etc, the car takes off like a rocket ! So very impressive. I love the built-in reliability and dependability of Toyota above all else and it would take a mountain to shift my love of this. Thanks for a great video AMD. You managed to explain the complex comparisons so clearly.
I bet all Honda owners wish they had a @The Honda Care Nut! I swear, there needs to be one of you for every manufacturer!!!
ETCG for ya. He closed his shop and could reopen it soon
I'm an Insight owner and I average 47mpg, 470 mile per tank full, 10 gallon tank. I've driven Japanes cars for over 30 years now, I'm hooked on Honda but I do like the Toyotas and I've owned Nissans also. Either way the both are great and you do a great job on your channel.
My cousin has a 2023 CRV Hybrid and it was insane how fuel efficient it was. Of course, it got the best MPG for in town driving and all that, but held its own for long distances too. You can't go wrong with the new Honda hybrids for sure. Has this nice shuttle like sound too and it's super quiet for the most part.
"Shuttle like?"
My cousin bought that car after testing both Rav4 and CRV. He preferred the CRV for the smoother ride
@@aluisious I also thought what the heck is a Shuttle like sound?
@@aluisious Space shuttle for sure
We have a 2019 Honda Indsight Touring. We almost always beat the EPA mileage. It does have a noticeable lag at start, especially since we use eco mode which exaggerates that.
I own a 2023 Honda CR-V Hybrid Sport Touring....(March 15th/1100 miles on it now) The RAV4 I looked at Apples for Apples was $3-5K more.....I read Car and Driver through and through, and Consumer Reports, and others, and the CRV blew the Rav4 away... My CRV is smooth as silk, no engine noise at all, NO shifting feelings at all, the Adaptive Cruise just Rocks as does Lane Keeping! I run in ECON mode and get 37 Mpg....SPORT mode is unbelievable and the car takes off like a Ferrari, or a Jaguar.... I think electric and engine drive 4 wheels together. The AWD is awesome, as I can make corner turns and not have any issues. In Sport mode the Artificial shifting is great, (thru the speakers) and I feel like Mario Andretti! With Bose Sound, all power seats, other features, above the basic models, I am at $43K.....I couldn't touch the Rav4 for less than $46-49!.....The paddle shifters work great, and I increase my regen breaking often, at 3 levels, and for stopping/charging! The Hybrid in this car is awesome, as it goes in and out all the time, and does not stop at 25mph, and make the engine take over. I have seen hybrid drive at 45mph, at times!....Do NOT like the AC Compressor running from the EV Battery!........Love my CRV!
Hondas are better than Toyota s for sure, but their prices are getting ridiculous. Imagine spending $34,000 for 1.5L T Honda Civic. Where I'm currently living the civic costs $34,000 and this is not an SI, just a normal 1.5L Civic
Goddamm dude chill out its just a Honda crv it's not the second coming of Christ. But glad you're enjoying it
@@ROGG16Gamingthat's insane. They have increased so much in price
@@veroxeon1858talk about an over reaction 🤪
I'm three days into a '21 Accord Hybrid -- did not think I'd like the lane keeping at all, but it's great! Haven't tried the adaptive cruise yet. Still feeling out the paddles... cool for regen and saving the brakes, but weird that I'm in charge of that part of the operation. Reset the trip meter for my commute to and from work today, and I was dead on 40mpg, mostly stop-and-go with a short stretch of highway.
This is a completely different angle to view when comparing these 2 awesome companies. Thank you!
Just recently made my own comparison between Rav4 Hybrid and CRV Hybrid. And I chose the Rav4. It felt stronger, better acceleration, less road noise and rattling, better feeling seats, better storage space for how I use it. And a real spare tire. And I’m loving the vehicle. 45.3 mpg over 7500 miles of driving. And I’ve owned many Honda vehicles, traded from a HRV. This is my second Toyota, first was 1994.
Very happy with my decision. Thanks for being the best car channel on utube.
Lol. Huge toyota fan.. but, no to your comments when it comes to the rav 4?
But woefully underpowered. Chinese do HEV power delivery so much better
Just purchased a '24 CR-V Sport L (hybrid) after driving the whole segment, including the Korean and American vehicles. Honda drove FAR quieter (used NIOSH app on my smart phone to document cabin noise in both--not close) at all but take off speeds, was more refined inside and out and felt more solidly planted on the road than the RAV4. To boot, it has better availability and thus a lower real world price tag as well, which is huge. There have to be new cars on the lot, not just on factory order, or nobody's having a driving experience at all! Toyota's struggling with that right now, unfortunately.
I understand the compromises/potential vulnerabilities with the Honda transmission (although there were some inaccuracies presented), braking and AWD systems, but I chose to prioritize the every day driving experience over potential maintenance issues in the distant future. If we wanted strictly reliable cars, they would be extremely crude, uncomfortable, unwieldy, unsafe and underpowered. That's not for me. I'll enjoy pleasant driving today and deal with any potential reliability issues (and with Honda, those are not a given by any stretch) when and if they occur. I totally understand a RAV4 purchaser's laser focus on reliability and all things practical, like a donut spare. I wish I could have that cake as well, but I'm too busy over here eating my driving experience cake. 😁
@@chefgav1lol Chinese fanboy
The CRV Hybrid is earth to moon quieter than RAV 4
2 great car companies, but I'm sticking with Toyota on the hybrids.. excellent video!!
I love Hondas man, that is been my main car for my somewhat short time on earth. Ive owned one 4th gen accord MT 270000 miles all stock and 3 6th gen accords, one V6 and 2 4Cyl 5MT, I will always love my Hondas if I havent made it clear, but TOYODA will ALWAYS be king in reliability
Excellent comparison
I work at a Honda dealership and shared this video with all my co-workers
I own a Honda Clarity Plug In Hybrid and I will say I absolutely love the fact that the engine can ran as simply a generator, and not as a drive motor. Makes the experience driving much smoother, and as you put it, refined. Being born and raised with German cars, the driving experience has always been important to me. That has always been one of my "Why don't they design it this way" thoughts of hybrid systems, and one thing I gave GM huge credit for, for actually designing a system that way. Diesel locomotives have been that way for 100 years, why not passenger vehicles.
Hybrid is liberal trash and I am a real man and will not feminize myself like that
Great to see Honda vs Toyota alive and well. Basically hybrid = Japanese do it better.
I’d personally have a little more confidence in the Toyota system for long term ownership mainly due to their experience but good to see its close.
Toyota 5th generation hybrid sounds like a very mature development to the next level. I remember when you compared the Hyundai system, not impressed with that one.
I have a 2020 Honda Insight. I drive about 500-700 miles per week for work. Absolutely love it. The two motor hybrid system is amazing. I'll likely get another Honda for work again when this one is 5-6 years old. I currently have almost 70k on it with no issues at all. I really like the new CRV that is being discussed in this video. If they don't make a civic hybrid (to replace the discontinued Insight), then I'll likely get a CRV. I've never owned a Toyota, but I've considered them and may consider one instead of the Honda possibly. Either way, can't go wrong with either system. They both seem to be bulletproof. The Japanese vehicles are so refined and reliable. Great information here from one of the best car technicians on UA-cam! Keep up the great work!
I own a 2023 Honda CR-V Hybrid Sport Touring....(March 15th/1100 miles on it now) The RAV4 I looked at Apples for Apples was $3-5K more.....I read Car and Driver through and through, and Consumer Reports, and others, and the CRV blew the Rav4 away... My CRV is smooth as silk, no engine noise at all, NO shifting feelings at all, the Adaptive Cruise just Rocks as does Lane Keeping! I run in ECON mode and get 37 Mpg....SPORT mode is unbelievable and the car takes off like a Ferrari, or a Jaguar.... I think electric and engine drive 4 wheels together. The AWD is awesome, as I can make corner turns and not have any issues. In Sport mode the Artificial shifting is great, (thru the speakers) and I feel like Mario Andretti! With Bose Sound, all power seats, other features, above the basic models, I am at $43K.....I couldn't touch the Rav4 for less than $46-49!.....The paddle shifters work great, and I increase my regen breaking often, at 3 levels, and for stopping/charging! The Hybrid in this car is awesome, as it goes in and out all the time, and does not stop at 25mph, and make the engine take over. I have seen hybrid drive at 45mph, at times!....Do NOT like the AC Compressor running from the EV Battery!........Love my CRV!
@@bubbame732 you got a great vehicle. My hybrid has been great. I usually average around 48mpg overall. It's too bad Honda discontinued my model. The CRV looks great in the new body style. Excellent choice!
@@darylhurlbut3473 yes...totally agree....only downer was the rearview mirror did not include Homelink, so I added it afterwards, (pricey) and also didn't realize the mirrors don't fold in. I have some small concerns about AMD mentioning carbon build-up because of the Direct Injection, so I am kicking around using premium gas on this 2.0 liter! Wife has a new Acura (Honda Mfg) MDX "Tech" Model, and gas mileage very poor, (V6) so if they come out with a Hybrid MDX, were gonna switch in a year or so!
@@darylhurlbut3473they discontinued the Insight, but it will be replaced by the civic hybrid which is basically the same car.
@@n9athan I heard that. I'm looking forward to it. I just got a Hyundai Santa Cruz for my personal car, so my Insight wil need to go another 3 more years until 2026. Then I can get a new business car. I'm pretty sure the new Civic Hybrid will be what I get. Hondas are awesome and our nearest dealer is amazing. I watched a video on UA-cam and the driver in europe said he was getting the equivalent of 60 mpg. My car is sometimes in that range, but overall im closer to 48. Still pretty good. And still possible that I may get a CRV Hybrid instead of the Civic. Honda just maes some of the best vehicles around. Hopefullly my Santa Cruz is able to pass the test of time. First time buying a Hyundai.....
I've owned a dozen Hondas and a few Toyotas. Both are excellent. I also do all my own mechanical work as well. I find that I find things I love, and things I don't about both of them. Hondas seemed to be more fun to drive than Toyotas. Toyotas tend to be more straightforward than Honda, but Hondas are really well-engineered and they seem to understand that someday someone will be working on it. You can't go wrong with either brand.
I am a real Honda driver. Drove a honda shuttle for 464000 km. Now a 2007 CRV with already 370000km. My WiFi drives a 2019 CRV hybrid. Love all three of them. ☺️
I have a WiFi too but it doesn’t do anything. Also, what’s a “real” Honda driver?
@@M4NA5real Honda drivers are the ones that drive it like a race car and redline it so “VTEC just kicked in yo”
I’m in the UK and been thinking of selling my 92k mile CRV AWD 2.2 diesel for a Toyota CHR. We have so much rubbish over here with ULEZ (ultra low emission zone that’s in London and set to spread like a cancer). I think you’ve convinced me to buy the Honda. Not least because of its combined 42mpg, strong performance and 50mpg on the motorway/freeway…!!!!
I’m not a mechanic or even a car guy, but I love your channel. You do a great job presenting.
Luv the Toyota Hybrid system - fewer parts, therefore less to go wrong and maintain...
Even less moving parts in a Tesla
@@pauld3327but they are junk.
@@psynurse Definitely not
Emm cooling system? Special braking system that is much complicated? Batteries that overheat and you need to replace? Where is it better?
@@pauld3327Tesla are American junk. Sorry but its true. Just wait few more years and you'll see how bad they actually are.
I have driven a Honda CRV as a rental car. I currently own a 2023 RAV4 Prime and they are pretty much even in terms of comfort and good driving manners. My Honda garden tools, however, are many notches above other companies. My lawn mover starts, after a long winter slumber outside, on the second pull, even though it is 20 years old. Never had a spark plug replaced or the carburetor fixed. My weed trimmer is the same: only yearly oil changes and very reliable. Until Toyota makes a lawn mover or a week wacker, Honda has the edge for me.😆
Exactly
You got me thinking there. Imagine Honda wallowing in gas engine technology big and small and Toyota dealing with big engines only and yet Toyotas are more reliable. Hmmm....
would've liked to see you compare the Hybrid Camry with the Hybrid Accord since they are both mid-sized sedans
He’s still comparing systems which are applied to both type of car on the 2 brands, SUV and Sedan.
@@randydiaz5951there are slight differences. CR-V Hybrid has 2 clutches while Civic and Accord have one.
Your understanding and explanation of these engineering concepts in plain terms is so amazing. Thumbs up 👍🏾 AMD
Great vid. The reduced maintenance in the Toyota hybrid was a perk that I wasn't expecting when I bought my first Lexus ES 300h.
What do you mean by reduced maintenance?
You mean until the hybrid battery needs to be replaced. Then you make up for all that "reduced maintenance".
Replacement occurs well after 100,000 miles. A friend who works at a music store with help from his high school son replaced his gen 2 Prius battery in an afternoon. The rebuilt battery was $2000, including shipping of the replacement and the returned core. Old batteries are too valuable for the landfill.
I often heard about "CVT droning". This is often shown when someone "floors it" to accelerate aggressively during a drive to demonstrate it. The reality is, when you are driving it normally, you'll never notice it since the eCVT will always keep the engine RPMs in the most efficient range. If you floor it, you are asking the vehicle for maximum power, which is achieved at the engine's peak power range (likely in the 4500 RPM range). In a vehicle with a conventional transmission, the gears would allow the engine to get up that speed, but then a shift do the next gear would drop it down to (example) 3000 RPM and the engine has to get back up to 4500 again. An eCVT simply adjusts the ratios so the engine can get to 4500 RPM (very quickly) then adjusts the ratios to keep the engine speed there as the speed increases, maximizing power, acceleration and efficiency. One really nice thing about the eCVT is the smooth driving characteristics if provides. There is no "shifting" so you don't get that "bump" you normally get during a gear change. I have a Toyota Hybrid and love it. It's very fuel efficient and one of the reasons I bought it was the bulletproof reliability they are known for. In the nice weather, my Venza can get high 4s in the city (50 mpg). If you rev the engine really high, it's not the best sounding, but that's not because it isn't a good engine (it is), it's a larger displacement (2.5L) engine that also runs on the Atkinson cycle (at 14:1 compression). It's designed to maximize efficiency, not set lap times at your drag strip (although, it is peppy if you stomp it).
You hit the head on the nail there jeffer! You are 100 % right,I agree,I find it very smooth unless you are really heavy footed,then yes there is a definite drone! If you normally drive with a heavy foot to notice the drone often,you have to question weather it would be beneficial to have a hybrid,not sure that you would gain enough efficiency to pay for the extra cost. Excellent explanation jeffer!
I have never driven a cvt or ecvt
one false thing about the "bump" is that is a manual only thing.
automatics dont have that. most you will notice is a dip in rpm follow by rapid rise.
Even when floored all i hear is the engine going from super quiet to low screams and alot of wind noise.
now if you drive a manual this is very noticeable but only when the clutch is engaged and gear is changing. You will also see the car jerk during gear change.
Automatics are smooth as butter. And only slightly worse mpg than manuals.
Not only are CVTs and eCVTs two totally different things, but eCVTs are three or four totally different things all by themselves. It's a marketing term that doesn't refer to anything in reality except the presence of at least one electric motor. The video explained in some detail that the two "eCVTs" he's looking at aren't even remotely similar in mechanics or driving characteristics. Your experience with your Toyota doesn't tell you anything about either CVTs or the transmissions in other automakers' hybrids.
@@moarsaur Toyota's eCVT is just a planetary gear set. It's the best system out there. I'm not sure who else uses it. It seems to be relatively uncommon but it is the most reliable system. Some other brands use conventional automatics, some use belt or chain driven CVTs, Toyota uses a planetary gear set.
@@jeffer1101 You didn't watch the video, did you?
I so enjoyed this video presentation of these two automotive giants. The way you explained the systems differences and similarities were carefully and professionally presented which added my understanding. I consider myself much more informed because of your grasp of the mechanical complexities of these companies offerings, your pleasant delivery, and the smooth "Hollywood" quality cinematography. You brought your "A" game as usual my friend. Thank you.
I agree . The DRONE part confused me . Does he mean that the transmission is loud ? I find that the most noise comes from the tires related to types of surfaces. And some wind noise at higher speeds . The engine and exhaust can get loud at higher RPM but, that is to be expected. YOUR THOUGHTS Dan .
Recently purchased a 23 Rav4 Hybrid (Woodland trim!) and am loving the ride. It is very smooth from a stop. The transition to ICE is subtle and I hardly notice it, even as someone who has not had a hybrid before. The AWD system is surprisingly nice. There's ample videos showing how capable it truly is! Your videos helped a lot in making my decision and also showed me the ways to make this a LONG term vehicle
Same boat… and bought the Woodland as well (loved those bronze wheels and trees since the press release came out).
I’ve had both a Honda (first car) and a Toyota. Toyota lasted 16 years, hopefully the woodland lasts at least 12-15 years or longer.
I'd imagine you had to wait for a year to obtain it, and paid over MSRP. Excellent vehicle, though.
@@jayp4114 you would be wrong on both thoughts. I called my first dealership in January and had the car in my driveway mid February. Paid MSRP for it!
Somewhat capable. Some videos showing going up hill in foot of snow and it heavily taxed the awd system, overheating
Thank you for the great review. I have watched numerous RAV4 hybrid and CRV reviews. Most of them talk about superficial items. I've always appreciate your mechanical reviews and in-depth clarity on how systems work. Thank you again for all your great help in these reviews and explanations.
You are so good at explaining. Some of it is a little over my head, but I am still able to follow because of your clarity.
Another great video! I imagine the majority of your viewers own Toyotas and Hondas so it's really great to see how the design/engineering compares overall.
Nice comparison. I had no choice, in 2022 we didn’t have a hybrid CRV(Canada).
, But very happy with my Rav. I’d still pick Rav. Seems like less to maintain, and Toyota has been making hybrids a long time.
Even for 2023 choice in Canada is no better. CRV Hybrid exists only in one trim for 51+K. In the same time there is plenty of Rav4 Hybrid options from 38K to 49K.
The RAV is nice if you hate headroom everywhere and legroom in the back. The RAV is a "tell me you're short without telling me you're short," kind of deal.
@@lexwaldezmy husband is 6’2 and has no problem sitting in passenger seat of my Rav.
As usual , a very professional appraisal of the two vehicles. You certainly know your stuff and provide comment which is very fair to both manufacturers. Very interesting to hear your opinions.
Speaking of price, the base Toyota Corolla hybrid is a killer deal. Toyota can do this precisely because of the fact their system is so optimized now.
Honda Clarity was, and is still the best plug-in hybrid. The engineers were seriously out to build the best non compact hybrid sedan. However, Honda wasn't serious about marketing it. You couldn't even find it on their website home page. It is closest to a full electric vehicle without the full EV downside. Great channel and content.
The Toyota Hybrid's eCVT is so dependable that stocking parts for it is practically unheard of.
I repair older hybrids and long term ,the Toyota hybrid system is far more reliable then all the other systems 🤷🏼♂️, but Honda is head and shoulders better then Kia Hyundai
Bought a Hybrid Highlander last year and love it. I was torn between Sienna and Highlander since we are not a big family after watching your Q&As (btw… I miss those vids). Love the 34 MPG and luxury like features and smooth ride. Because of the supply issues, I was willing to try Hyundai Palisade and Acura MDX, it I’m glade I got The Highlander 😊
I'm really impressed by your knowledge of the different factors that contribute to car dependability. You really know your stuff.
Taxi cab mechanic here says nothing beats a toyota. They can be a pain to maintain sometimes but man the mileage on the hybrids goes 300k miles easy. No argument here 😂
Even more I see Camry hybrid with 600.000 miles at actions
In general, I owned both and love both brands. Honda (I have had HRV I, CRV II and Civic VII) gasoline engines are bulletproof, but will have some more issues with minor things. Toyota in general is very reliable, I have a Lexus RX400h and despite its 350k kms, it has just NO ISSUES, but I do care about the regular maintenance.
I've had both Hondas Accords and Toyota Camrys and Corollas most of all my driving years. Bottom line, the Toyotas always got better gas mileage, had far fewer repairs and definitely higher resale values. Both were easy to work on and rode very well. I recently test drove the honda CRV Hybrid, and it felt like a better built vehicle than the RAV-4, but much pricer. I think I'm going to just wait until Toyota decides to come back to earth on supply chain issues, and buy another Camry hybrid. Thank you Car Care Nut and may the person trying to impersonate you on this channel get himself removed.
Idk where you are from but the RAV4 hybrid is much more expensive in the US due to insane toyota markups. Honda doesnt markup their vehicles like toyota does.
@@uberefficent3936 Tucson and Phoenix area. Local dealers, on their lot: Honda CR-V Sport 2wd: $34,835.00 msrp. Rav-4 LE 24d: $ 32,560.00 Msrp. Doc fees and taxes extra. Both hybrids.
@@rogy4965 yeah those are the MSRP prices but then u get on their lot and they got markups... they tried selling me a 2022 gas corolla (not even hybrid) for 30k
@@ry1608 i guess its different over there.... in my area every toyota had at least a 4k+ MSRP markup
Same here, my cars and the family's have always been of these two brands. Except the most failures, which were rare anyway, came from Toyotas. The Corolla interior quality was horrendous compared with the Civic (both 2008-2011 or so). The transmission on the second gen RAV4 died with little over 150K miles on it. Interestingly, it was a Toyota made, not Aisin's. 3rd Gen Rav4 presented minor issues with its computer and again with the tranny. One of the CR-Vs presented suspension issues and the other with over 400K miles on it (a 2008) had only an oil leak lmao. Resale value I found it depend on car from car. Some it was Honda, others Toyota. Overall, we simply do not buy other than those two brands.
Thank you for your expertise information. I am a commuter, and based on your review, I will go with the Toyota hybrid for practicality
and long term reliability.
Thank you👍
Excellent analysis of both models! Thank you!
Taxi companies local to me are massive Toyota fans not unusual to see one with 400k plus on the clock, Nothing like a Hybrid Toyota for long term reliability.
I literally watch every one of your videos from beginning to end because I love learning. With that said you still haven’t convinced me to buy a hybrid. For as long as I can I will buy only a gas powered engine. And for as long as I can I will buy only a naturally aspirated engine. I own a 2017 Honda Accord V6 touring and I hope that car last forever. That 3.5 L V6 is the most enjoyable motor I’ve ever had in a vehicle.
Great video but there's a use case angle here that's been missed, and it concerns fuel economy. Honda's series-hybrid approach delivers significant benefits in 25-55mph driving, but their fixed clutches make for excessive RPM compared to Toyota at 70mph and up, with the engine being manacled to the higher speed clutch at a fixed ratio about 50mph and up as opposed to Toyota's CVT adjusting RPM down at high speed whenever it can. This produces some quirks in reviews -- for example the Consumer Reports test is very heavy on 25-55 mph driving and so Honda hybrid fuel economy comes out looking good in a CR test. I'd absolutely favor Toyota as a 70mph-plus freeway cruiser; also for high-intensity city driving given the durability issues raised in this video. But Honda could be a very good suburban commuter in the US or rural secondary roads driver in Europe.
new york highway speed limit is 55, honda wins
In Europe taxation (at buying stage and monthly) is often done on engine volume. Therefore a 2.0 system makes a whole lot more sense. Performance is about the same unless you want to race on the German autobahn, you'll be doing 120-130 kmh (75-80mph) on the highway and 18 to 30 in the cities. It's why the 1.5 liter engines are popular. Fuel economy of the 1.5 also counts of course. Anyways, in Europe i drive a 2.4 liter which often raises eyebrows, while abroad i have my land cruiser 200 which they don't even sell in the EU as taxes would go through the roof.
This is very helpful as in California, folks are going 70 to 90 mph usually on the highway. Thanks.
@@ryanllts NY Thruway speed limit is 65, as is the limit on parts of many expressways in NY. State Troopers will rarely pull you over for under 75 (if not 80.) Traffic in many places moves faster than 70.
The fixed gear ratio is slightly faster than top gear of the 6-speed manual. Extra torque from the electric motor may be needed to accelerate when the gear is engaged.
Watching your videos makes me appreciate the amount of research and development that has gone into these modern hybrid cars. I am due to take delivery of a new Toyota Carolla 1.8 Excel (UK spec) soon and feel very reasured after seeing the technology that has been built into the vehicle.
My wife gets about 33 mpg on her daily 45 mile round trip to work in our 2017 CR-V EX-L. It has the 1.5L turbo and CVT - we both love it! (72,000 miles). Don't really feel the need for a hybrid right now, but this was VERY informative for a possible future purchase!!
I have a 2017 crv ex 167000 miles was rear ended and fixed properly. Drives like new still. I will drive it till the wheels fall off but Im looking at this videos for future purchase.
mr. Car Care Nut, I've been following all your videos for a long time, it has taught me about engine maintenance & making good car choices. this comparison video has been, by far, my favourite! always wanted to know the mechanical breakdown on both their hybrid systems, Im glad I saw this video!
Toyota owner/fan all they way👍
Excellent video! Thanks for this. I have been in the market to replace my 18 year old Honda Element and test drove both the CR-V Hybrid and RAV4 hybrid. Liked them both. Excellent vehicles.
Thank you for the great explanation on the differences between the two systems. Wonderful presentation.
I started out owning Fords and GM’s. Always had issues.
In 2000 got my first Toyota, sure I’ve had Honda’s and I like them. After my 50 years of owning vehicles, Toyota is my choice. All I own now are Toyotas, this is not an accident or good luck.
When I invest in a vehicle, as long as I do the routine maintenance, I don’t anticipate unexpected problems. This is how Toyotas have treated me.
I've been very happy with my 2015 Honda Accord Hybrid. Currently at 147k miles, so far only scheduled maintenance and tires. Still get high 40's MPG in temperate weather.
I like both. But we just Purchased a new Prius and love it .
@@Tendertroll1 I can’t think of any car where the only maintenance is oil changes and tires. In my opinion, vehicles last a lot longer when you do all of the scheduled maintenance. It isn’t too often, but yes, I’ve had transmission fluid changed a few times, brake fluid, spark plugs, valve adjustment, coolant flush. Still not too bad though price wise to make sure my Accord Hybrid lasts a long time.
@@Tendertroll1 I hope you are lucky then. Not performing the other maintenance may end up biting you in the ass if you keep that car, or are you getting rid of it for a CRV?
Toyota's experience in hybrid design and their trial/errors, are why I would choose them. Not to mention the after market support for their battery packs compared to Honda.
Because of that lack of experience, that's probably why Honda went with GM Ultima battery packs/Architecture for their upcoming EV Prologue model, since GM has had time to hone their EV tech already.
I have the 2023 CRV sport touring and can categorically state that there is not a few-second delay when accelerating quickly, it is immediate. My experience is the 184 HP electric motor is doing all the initial acceleration, and the gas engine only is spinning the second motor to recharge the battery. The clutch engages the gas motor to drive in certain high-speed and towing situations but not for general acceleration. The gear shifts that are heard are simulated and not the result of the clutch kicking in.
I have the CRV Touring Hybrid as well…the acceleration is immediate and the gas engine kicks in afterward. The vehicle is quite a nice vehicle compared to the RAV4 which is not as comfortable, not as quiet, not as sporty, etc
I just bought the Civic Hybrid and the clutch(es) only engage when you’re cruising. Once you floor it the clutch disengages and the motor is driving. CRV has a low range clutch and a high range. Civic and Accord only have 1 clutch.
AMD, thanks for the very helpful content. I wish you were closer so I could bring my Toyota and Lexus cars to you when I have a serious problem.
Great comparison. It's amazing to me after all the great detailed information you provided here, that comments show so many people still don't completely understand what you explained so clearly.
Thank You SO VERY MUCH for the Explanation of the Hybrid's 😊❤ engine's 🎉 I wish more mechanics would Talk about the systems in greater depth, like yourself 😊❤
i was a honda guy for a long time.I'd pick toyota all day.They take it up a notch
As a Honda CR-V owner/fanboy, I love your channel and appreciate the overall knowledge I get from watching your videos. Your breakdown here is amazing. I am 3000 miles into a 2023 Honda CR-V Hybrid and it does drive like a dream. While Honda may not have as much hybrid history as Toyota, I felt very confident with my decision to purchase and remain so after watching your comparison. Thank you for the details.
How has your gas milage been? I'm considering this vehicle. I drove the rav-4 and really didn't like it compared to the CRV.
city driving in my crv hybrid is 41 flat
I own a 2023 Honda CR-V Hybrid Sport Touring....(March 15th/1100 miles on it now) The RAV4 I looked at Apples for Apples was $3-5K more.....I read Car and Driver through and through, and Consumer Reports, and others, and the CRV blew the Rav4 away... My CRV is smooth as silk, no engine noise at all, NO shifting feelings at all, the Adaptive Cruise just Rocks as does Lane Keeping! I run in ECON mode and get 37 Mpg....SPORT mode is unbelievable and the car takes off like a Ferrari, or a Jaguar.... I think electric and engine drive 4 wheels together. The AWD is awesome, as I can make corner turns and not have any issues. In Sport mode the Artificial shifting is great, (thru the speakers) and I feel like Mario Andretti! With Bose Sound, all power seats, other features, above the basic models, I am at $43K.....I couldn't touch the Rav4 for less than $46-49!.....The paddle shifters work great, and I increase my regen breaking often, at 3 levels, and for stopping/charging! The Hybrid in this car is awesome, as it goes in and out all the time, and does not stop at 25mph, and make the engine take over. I have seen hybrid drive at 45mph, at times!....Do NOT like the AC Compressor running from the EV Battery!........Love my CRV!
I have been buying Toyotas since 1980 with the latest being a 2022 Camry LE Hybrid. It is my first hybrid and I have no regrets. Easily has a driving range of over 600 miles with the small 13 gallon tank and is just as comfortable as my 2017 gas Camry but with more power if I need it. I hear people say that they would never buy a hybrid because there are two systems to have problems instead of one engine. I just smile knowing that I made the right decision.
we have had our 2012 Lexus RX450H hybrid for 10 years and 240,000 miles...Zero issues, just oil changes and tires... Just bought another 2013 RX450h, 70K miles and giving the 2012 to our 16 year old daughter... The 450h are reliable tanks...LOL
AMD I am a huge fan from day 1. I have owned both Honda's and Toyota's equally. The 1 thing that makes me lean towards Toyota is the dual injection, as far as quality, efficiency, and reliability they are both great manufacturers.
Awesome, thx. keep the content coming.
Toyota/Honda is the only car brands I will ever own or recommend people. Toyota generally makes an overall more reliable car. But Honda makes great cars as well. The Type R 2.0 is bullet proof from what I’ve seen.
Honda hybrid system is true EV. The gasoline engine is only turning generator to power large electric motor and charging batteries as long as speed is less than 45 MPH. But after 45 mph, the engine is connected directly to the wheels ( two clutches he talked in this video) so in fact there is no transmission. On Toyota hybrid that called parallel system, both engine and electric motors works together. Gasoline engine constantly off and on depending on speed. Both of these two systems have their pro and con.
Which one is better in your opinion?
I love the way you explain and balance the points. It's really hard to tell which one is better
I have an 1998 Toyota Camry with 250 000 Miles and a 1990 Honda Lead Scooter with 30 000 Miles I Love them both they both Bild very good engines and vechicles.
Contrary to popular belief, both of these systems include a clutch. You can't connect an ICE to the wheels of a vehicle without some fail-safe device in case of catastrophic change in engine speeds. Toyota calls it a "torque damper." It is a clutch that is permanently applied, but "slips" a little when the rpm of the engine, and what it connects to, change inconsistently.
The issue is that this happens more in the Toyota system, than the Honda system, when the engine is started. The Power Split Device in a Toyota tries to maintain the rpm relationship 18*ICE=5*MG1+13*MG2. EV Drive is accomplished by making MG1=-2.6*MG2 (motors can run backwards). To start the ICE, the system simply slows MG1 (or starts it, if the car is at rest). MG2 can't change because it is geared directly to the wheels, so this results in a slip between the Torque Damper's clutch plates.
The Honda system starts the engine using the generator as a motor, when it is not connected to the wheels. So there is no counter-force requiring the torque damper to slip. And the over-drive clutch is only engaged after the engine has reached the same rpm as the overdrive gear, so again there is no slippage. So the Toyota system has potential clutch failures, and the Honda system does not.
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Great video as I always expect from you AMD! Only one thing I would change...the comparison should have been between two SUV's not between a sedan and an SUV. Perhaps this Honda CRV vs Toyota RAV4? There would be a difference in ride and driving/handling between a sedan and an SUV. There are differences between a sedan and an SUV in terms of weight and wheelbase, both of which make for differences in handling, acceleration and braking. Keep these great videos coming AMD! I thoroughly them.
Read the title. The comparison is between two different hybrid systems not two different suvs from different companies 😅
Thanks for comparing to Honda, I appreciate it! We need your opinion on other brands
Probably the best two-car comparison I've ever seen - great job, superb. You are definitely the UA-cam go-to guy for car reviews that thoroughly explore engineering and quality. I've learned in the last couple of years that, whatever other reviews I'm reading for reliability, etc., such as Consumer Reports, nothing comes close to the Car Care Nut for informative insight that provides a solid basis for making a decision - always without favoritism or pulling punches. Many thanks for your great service to the public!
As a Aircraft Mechanic , I really appreciate your evaluations and style . Keep these coming and add more vehicles . I really like / wanted this kinda driveline evaluations . Thanks
Excellent comparison but for me, I prefer the Honda AWD mechanical system - feels more normal and behaves more like what you would expect on slippery roads.
I have lots of experience with both brands, in the past and in the present. Both are excellent, you can't go wrong with either one. Remember, Honda is still the largest engine manufacture in the world. Thank you for the video but when I test drove a recent CRV hybrid I found no lag what so ever. Interesting you did though.
I really don't think he did. He misunderstands how the clutch is used, and imagines it must have a lag based on that misunderstanding.
He thinks this system has to engage a clutch (around 8:30) to accelerate, after "deciding" which to use. That's where his imaginary lag is. The truth is that the clutch disengages, when that happens, with no lag. The choice of which is predetermined by speed, in low-power situations. Any "lag" would be between two cruising modes, and so will not be felt.
Ahmed can you plss compare both naturally aspirated engine and turbofied engine in one of your next videos id really love to hear it from someone like you since your such an expert in explaining this stuff and i love watching your videos it really feels simple and not thst hard to understand what your saying man!
Wow, what a great comparison of two stellar brands. I knew the maturity of the Toyota hybrid system would be the difference maker here.
Out of all of the stocks I own. Toyota is the only one I never check or worry about
What an outstanding overview of Toyota vs Honda corporate ethos. Thank you! Your channel stands out from the rest.
We are currently shopping for a RAV hybrid and considering the CRV Hybrid also. Both excellent vehicles.
Hyundai is out the window on reliability and stone age architecture. Leaning towards the Toyota, to replace our 2012 Lexus CT200h.
"I'm Rick James bitch!" Btw very nice reply of yours
As always, a high quality review. Always appreciate your knowledge.
Not quite an apples to apples but I wanted to mention my Acura MDX Hybrid has twin electrical motors in the rear with no drive shaft. It probably more like the Toyota where the rear dual electric motors can regenerate power. Another benefit is the ability for the rear to provide torque vectoring.
Would you recommend rav 4 hybrid? Or your acura mdx, I'm from Canada where I just want the best fuel efificent compact suv/crossover or even suv
Especially for winters
I own a 1zz-fe powered engine. Still works like a champ. Has around 80k miles and no carbon buildup.❤
I have owned both Hybrid Brands, for the last 10 years, The Toyota is Far more reliable and Superior, At present we have 4 Toyota Hybrids. Love it
May not be relevant to US but the Honda Jazz/Fit has a different hybrid system. The gas engine never drives the wheels at all, it only generates power for the small battery, or the separate electric motor that drives the wheels. Kind of like diesel-electric trains. Having driven the last gen non-hybrid jazz, the 1.3l Atkinson cycle engine is adequate on paper with 105hp for 1049kg weight, but that is only on paper. It is criminally slow when paired to the CVT. To a point it's not safe to drive. That is really a shame because the rest of the car is amazing.
Th CRV and Accord hybrids are the same, just with bigger engines
No doubt Toyota wins. Toyota has been in the hybrid industry longer. I have owned a 2018 Civic and 2017 Honda pilot. My pilot took a crap at 55k miles so I'm sceptical about Honda's.
Honda’s V6 is known for problems. Their cylinder deactivation feature has led to many new problems when the rear bank is shut off for fuel efficiency. Lots of spark plug failures and vibration mounts falling apart.
I know Toyota is more reliable but I love honda it's spacious and more comfortable, it has soul. Toyota is soulles.
Going back in time to get a good basis, and using comparable models (both Accord and Camry were new in 2018), I'll compare the reliability ratings of the Accord Hybrid to the Camry Hybrid:
KBB: 2018 Accord 4.5, 2018 Camry 4.1, out of 5.
JDPower: 2020 Both Accord and Camry 82/100 (rating method changed in 2020)
RepairPal: 2018 Accord, $345/year, 2018 Camry, $379/year
Eh, I just decided to add the SUVs; Honda added the CR-V hybrid in 2020:
KBB: 2020 CR-V 4.5/5, 2020 RAV4 3.8/5
JDPower: 2020 CR-V 79/100, 2020 RAV4 74/100
RepairPal: CR-V 4.5/5, RAV4 4/5 (not just hybrids, and why a different system?)
Each site uses different methodology, and some don't separate hybrids out. And the rating may change with time. I'm not saying that these differences show the same way in all ratings, at all times, or that one is better than the other. Only that *_IF_* you give a reliability nod to one manufacturer's hybrids, based on real data it should be Honda.
We thank you Master Mechanic. The Car Care Nut, your video is very exceptional, others UA-cam had discussed Toyota Hybrid XLE versus Hybrid Honda, you had gone over how each engine performed. The details are very helpful to the consumers to select the right car for them. This is a great video.
I have a 2014 Honda Accord Hybrid and a 2013 Lexus ES300 Hybrid....I love them both, however last month my accord right side drive shaft broke in the middle...I was very surprised about this since I always felt that Toyota and Honda's quality was above all others.
Great analysis as usual. One thing that I have seen in other reviews. The Toyota (RAV4 vs CRV) is more efficient under load (high speed>70 MPH or going up mountains). At low speeds the Honda may do a little better. This comes from the Toyota transmission keeping the engine at top efficiency.