I wanted class to have a second season so badly. And also wilfred being revealed as the one with the 4 knocks that signalled the 10th doctors end was heartbreaking.
Yeah I thought it meant the Master killing him. At one point I even thought when The Doctor fell through the window when the Time Lords was returning that the one with the glove was the one who would kill him. But Wilfred being the one even though I don't think he knew of the prophecy of the four knocks would be the sign of The Doctors demise. I think if he did know of it and how Wilfred was trying to help and at times protect The Doctor he would of sacrifice himself. But we will never know maybe eventually they will make a what if type series and that would be one of them.
@@asvarien I get where your coming from, but since that was tenth final journey we may never really know. For all we know that could of been a fixed moment that could of meant Wilfred was suppose to live especially to see Donna get married, or it could of been he needed to die. But like the Doctor its all a big ball of wibbly wobbly timey whimey stuff. But we may never truly know.
"The only water in the forest is the River". The way that set up the reveal in 'A good man goes to war', and just the reveal of who River Song truly was still blows my mind to this day. Like the way that she was introduced before Amy was, but still, the names made sense for that to work. Like just the amount of time that Moffat was sitting on that before the reveal. Agh it was just so good lol
In The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit the devil tells Rose that she's the valiant child who will soon die in battle. I think this is mentioned again at one time in another episode and by the end of Doomsday we learn that Rose was declared dead in her original universe, given that she was MIA.
One indirect prophecy would be River in the forest of the dead, she mentions the Doctors future, with parts like “He showed up on my doorstep, with a new haircut and a suit”, which is Derillium, and just in general with other subtle hints
Riversong herself is a big prophecy. In the first episode we see her in, Silence In The Library, we see 12's sonic screwdriver, and she mentions dating robots.
One thing I enjoy about River's last appearance is her reaction to first seeing the Doctor. She says "Nardole, what have you brought to my doorstep." Twelve replies by saying that "This is a new haircut! A new suit!" Fans who remembered River's last words to the Doctor before her death probably would have gotten it right then and there, and I know it took me a few watches of each episode to get the hint. Before we've even begun, we know this is River's last hurrah.
You are confusing prophecy and foreshadowing/someone from the actual future telling you what is literally going to happen because it literally did happen to them already.
@@gay_madilynn Except it's not 12th's sonic, he didn't give it to River (despite she said it in the Library episode as well), he actually gave her a new one. They did a great job to actually match it with the one we've seen in the Library, but it still wasn't 12th's.
When Doctor #12 said that "the hybrid is me", he wasn't referring to himself. He was referring to Ashildr, who took the name "Me" a few centuries after the Dr. resurrected her by using the Mire technology. So the Doctor actually said, "The hybrid is Me," meaning "the hybrid is the person formerly known as Ashildr, but now calling herself Me." Or at least that the way I interpreted it.
I disagree I think he actually meant himself cause to me the hybrid was the doctor cause he is half human as stated in the 1996 movie that is still cannon to the show
In one of the official subtitles of that episode, the sentence is written "The hybrid is Me." Confirming that the Doctor was indeed referring to Ashildr.
how did i never notice what the trickster meant?!?? my favourite will forever be the multiple arcs in season4; doctordonna, missing planets, bees disappearing, time beetle
It's been a while but didn't the Face of Boe sorta prophecy that the Doctor would meet him a certain number of times? I could be wrong. I haven't watched the RTD stuff since around 2010.
The cat-people nun (also known as novice Hame) spoke of such prophecy, that "he will reveal a secret to the traveler, before he dies". Something like that.
*Here's my Timeless Child theory:* After John Simm's Master lasers Missy with the full blast of his laser screwdriver in "The Doctor Falls," Missy regenerates anyway into Sacha Duan's Master. He somehow then makes his way to Gallifrey when the Timelords Reveal that he is the Timeless Child, causing him to go insane realizing that he would never die and have a limitless regeneration supply, which explains his insanity during his return in Spyfall. Later in Season 12, the Master's insanity increases, leading him back to Gallifrey where he uses The Moment, determined to discover any survivors. (If any did survive, he would not be the only Timeless Child and therefore not alone, but Gallifrey falls.) This is how the Master could destroy Gallifrey in "one night." Furthermore, if my theory is true, Ruth must also be an incarnation of the Master and therefore could be the true reason as to why the Judoon were pursuing her, meaning that there should be a big reveal that she is another incarnation. Because of her sanity, it would make the most sense for her to be the incarnation right before Derek Jacobi's Master. A good plot of the Season 13 finale would be Ruth's reveal, the Doctor discovering the true story of the Timeless Child, and a final conclusion between the Masters' two incarnations. Because Sacha Duan's Master still desperately wants to die, the Doctor, after her and the Master's arcs are completed and they have sympathy for each other, somehow gives the Master the ability to die. However, Ruth's Mistress doesn't understand the Master's arc yet just like how John Simm's Master didn't understand Missy's perspective in "The Doctor Falls" when she stabbed him. Ruth therefore tries to prevent the Master from killing himself by locking him in the Matrix. Eventually, after battling his previous incarnation along with saving the Doctor and her companions from Ruth for an interval of the finale, Sacha Duan's Master begins to realize that he's turning good; He's saving people like the Doctor's companions that didn't need to be saved in order to get him what he wanted. By the end of the episode, the Master tells Ruth that he will live through his last incarnation (because he now has the ability to die) and help people like the Doctor instead of continuing to be a bad person. Unfortunately, Ruth still hasn't turned and decides it's better for the Master to die than to stand with the Doctor, so she blasts him with her laser screwdriver (Which wasn't revealed that she had one until this moment), taking everyone by surprise as the Master slowly lies down and rests. The Doctor is pushed to the edge; She uses [some weapon that has a reason to be present] to kill Ruth's Mistress, following even more shock from her companions and everybody who previously acknowledged her hate for violence. The Doctor then seals Ruth's identity in the pocket watch once she regenerates into Derek Jacobi's Master which is then later opened during Season 3, allowing the Master to continue his tasks and then jumps back in the tardis with Yaz and her other companion/companions. Horrified by her decision, Yaz and the others leave the TARDIS fam in a peaceful and farewell manner, leaving the 13th Doctor to go on her last New Year Special episode journey alone. This is a perfect setup. Please share this idea to as many people as you can, no need to give credit, just so this plot shines out among the Doctor Who Community. Thank you for taking your time to read this and have a nice day!
Interesting theory, but couldn't work. There's some points, that simply don't click into place. The Time Lords would have no reason to confess such thing to the Master (not even to the Doctor, but anyway), why would they? The way he finds out about it, is in that episode itself - from the Matrix. The Master isn't the TC, it is the Doctor. Again, it's in another episode (Ghost Monument this time). Burning Gallifrey was a simple outrage, not a plan to find other TCs. Again evidence in episode (the Master himself told the Doctor "I had to destroy them, for what they did", or something like that). Mind you, why would the Master even care, if the TC isn't him? Again, the answer is in the episode. He always thought being special and now he found out, that he's not and what the Time Lords did to the Child, what it means for him - parts of the Doctor live inside him, everything he is, is because of the Doctor. That enraged him and the rest, as they say, is history.
The timeless child could never be the master no matter how much u want it to be cause it was confirmed to be the doctor in season 13 and it would make some of the master’s decisions in the in the classic era not make sense if he had an infinite number of regeneration why would he have needed to steal Nyssa’s father’s body for example so it could never be the master
Most likely not. Children of Time refers to the Doctor's companions. Here's why: Children are meant humans, because to an advanced race (like the Time Lords for example) we look like children, 10th even described us like that to the Sycorax leader. "Yes, you could. You could do that. But why would you? Look at them, they're like children blinking into the Sun ..." And Time is connected with time travel, which Doctor's companions do a lot (most under the supervision of the Doctor, some on their own, like Jack). So Children of Time is a fancy way of saying "Your companions, Doctor". I really doubt, that at the end of series 4, Chibnall already had his plot fleshed out. So no connection there.
Russell T Davies said in several interviews that the reference to "the DoctorDonna" in 'Planet of the Ood' was a coincidence, and he hadn't even noticed it until a fan asked him after the fact if he'd done it deliberately.
The Doctor actually says that he believes the hybrid is Time Lord + Human. He then tells Clara that he has to erase one of their memories, because the two of them together were too dangerous, implying that they are the hybrid. Also, just going to say it, Moffat's prophecies really fall flat compared to Davies. Bad Wolf: Good payoff, even got a callback three years later. You Are Not Alone: Not much buildup, still a decent payoff. The Doctor-Donna, Stars Going Out, Bees Disappearing, Something on your Back: All led up to a universe-ending finale. Silence Will Fall: A prophecy that was built up over a few years, even expanded upon when Dorian says "no lie can be spoken and NO QUESTION CAN GO UNANSWERED." They payoff was... the Doctor didn't answer the question.
@@themostbritishpersonalive868 The Doctor has proven that if they don't have a companion to hold them back, they can be quite dangerous, but the Capaldi Doctor (not going to number him because of the whole 10th also being 11th thing, and the War Doc technically being the 9th, etc) has proven that when the Doctor cares about their companion too much, they will do whatever it takes to save them.
The payoff was actually great, in my opinion at least. The Doctor couldn't leave Trenzalore, because then the enemies (Daleks mostly) would destroy the planet, they didn't only because he could speak and release the Time Lords the moment they would prepare their weapons. That's quite clever chess stale situation, no party can move fearing the other would strike. And since there was the field of truth, the Doctor also couldn't lie, so what other option was there? Not saying anything at all. In a sense, the Silence won. But it wasn't the Kovarian chapter (at least not the way they tried), it was the Silence, that the Mammal Mainframe declared. I call that clever. The buildup from series 5 was totally worth it.
"Your Song must end soon" and no mention of who else debuted a few episodes later? WHY WOULD YOU POST THAT??? . Also, the Siege of Tranzalore introduces the True Silents as Confessors, as opposed to Kovarian's split faction.
@@danthemeegs8751 You guys take that too literally. Ood Sigma simply meant life, or journey (life journey?), remember what the Ood do as a favorite thing? Yes, they sing. For them it's most the time a song here a song there. Especially when they are free. Similarity to River's surname (which actually is switched with her real first name - Melody - Song, Pond - River, so Melody Pond should really be translated as Song River, but I still like it the other way round) is really purely coincidental here. Ood Singma warned the Doctor about his own death/regeneration coming, not about River Song.
In the original run - wasn't there a prophecy about the Key to Time and finding the pieces? And a prophecy around how the first Romana was lost/left at the Warrior's Gate?
In The Doctor's Wife", she lets slip that there are 30 or 40 control rooms," some past, some future", prophesizing both the regeneration of Matt Smith into Peter Capaldi and "The timeless Child".
I can't believe you left out "Trial of a Time Lord" and the Master telling the Doctor about the Valeyard. "Somewhere between the 12th and final incarnation" of the Doctor. I think when Jodie leaves us, there ought to be at least a mini-sode about the Valeyard, but a couple of episodes would be awesome!
I believe the meta crisis doctor fits the criteria to be written as the future Valeyard. He was born between the “12th and final incarnations” (post-Journey’s End 10 & 11 were technically 12 & 13), he has the Doctor’s dark impulses (he blew up that Dalek ship), and has a need to find more regenerations (he has only 1 life)
@@AlveeHossain He has only 1 life, because he's not a Time Lord. Remember, one heart, one life and no more. He isn't capable of regenerating, even if a Time Lord sacrificed their energy for him. He's human, humans don't regenerate.
@@themostbritishpersonalive868 technically ruth would be closet we have seen to be valeyard like more so before the whole timeless child came about where ruth could of been a future or alt future verison like say no donna but the doctor survives or donna but she doesnt get the itch to be a doctor like person so the doctor slowly goes more darker and more broodly and after timelord victorious he/she/they becomes the valeyard eviler 10 becomes 11 who is worthy of a eviler side with the whole pandorica then the fugitive doctor is created for they broke out of their cell go on a rampage to get revenge get hurt enough to die and become ruth who is on the run and in hiding deicdes to jump worlds fobwatch her memories and meets jodies doctor. no timelesschild bullshit ruth doctor still a doctor and the valeyard on the horizon with the timelords taking her regens over countless timelines of the valeyard/darker doctor and giving them to the doctor at the fall of the 11th everything rather neater then canon is currently
If you watch the four-parted Dalek Tales The Dalek that Time Forgot, (found only on UA-cam), it explains HOW Dalek Caan became psychic after temporal shift
What about the sort of meta Prophecy of who River was. there where so many references. The first episodes we meet her are titled ... “Silence in the library” and “Forrest of the Dead” River was a member of the silence at one point and the recurring line “the only water in the FOREST is the river” :D
If The Timelords Has So Many Prophecies Then How Didn’t They Already Know About The Time War I Mean They Have A Prophecy About The 10th Doctor And The Master “The Last Timelords” About “White Point Star” And The Gate They How Didn’t They Already Know About The “Last” Great Timewar And The Fall Of Arcadia...
6:50 Khan died, I am pretty sure he is the one he meant 8:25 in Midnight, the Midnight Entity also knocked 4 times; also you failed to mention Master's 4 beats of drums
6:40 personally, I like to think that he was talking about Harriet Jones, who died so that the Doctor could get here and had nothing more than a simple line thrown at the doctor by rose ... Harriet Jones, we know who you are and we'll never forget you 😢😭
Normally I get annoyed at these videos and sometimes grudgingly watch them anyway. However there was some theorisations about Mof-fatheaded science that elucidated some of the hitherto incomprehensible plot points for me. So, props.
Anyone else see it? In #10 The Prophecy of the Gods, that first clip: #4 picks up a doodad...and it looks to me like a miniature of the Genesis Ark from Doomsday.
The Statue of Liberty could realistically never be a weeping angel. All fiction aside, it's almost always being watched by someone, and if it tried to moved when no one was watching, someone would notice the movement, and that it's positioned differently.
They did the Silence prophecy twice. In "The Name of the Doctor", The Doctor causes the Tardis to fall onto Trenzalore ("the fall of the Eleventh"). The Great Intelligence asks "Doctor Who?" The Doctor refuses to answer because his name will open his tomb, where the GI can use his timeline to rewrite history, destroying worlds the Doctor had saved. This makes even more sense with the Silence being "sentinels of history" according to Dorium.
Losing Class was the saddest thing for me. Because I’m an American fan that watches the show religiously. But I wasn’t aware Class was even a thing until after it was cancelled. 😢
@@Grizzly01 If that happened, I think the video would be an hour long. I was more talking about the TV shows that started because of Doctor Who, though it would be fun to see a video on non-TV media
@@kevin10001 Thats dumb tho and was only a throwaway line and has never been mentioned again. Also it's too literal. Prophecies are supposed to have double meanings, to say the truth with lies. Personally I think my interpretation is so more fulfilling.
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Hybrid could be the DoctorDonna right? Humans and Time Lords are both powerful races and I bet that that’s what they were thinking when they started (not saying it is just saying it might be)
What if you had a Weeping angel statue of The silence? Would you have to look at it so it wouldn't move and when you look away you forget it's there and it can do as it pleases?
I understand the Master made the Timebermen as a reaction to finding out that the Doctor is the Timeless Child. So the idea that the Doctor is the hybrid can still be correct.
An angel civil war would be so dumb the angles quantum lock eachother due to their abilities it makes way more sense for them to be a nomadic species. If I were to give the angels an enemy. I would go with the waters of mars. Having weeping angels actually weep when they are infected. Or just having killer fountains wouldn't be silliest thing in doctor who
With time being wibblely wobbly timey wimey, there is the possibility that some things have happen our past experience with the show but the Doctor is never really confined to timelines. ie the pandorica opens. Things could happen out of order when the doctors companions were asleep or somewhere else then with the doctor. It would be extremely boring for the doctor to wait for people wake up. Just a theory
Doctor Professor Who the sword of Prophecy is the core source of those earlier stories in Doctor Who right back to the first Doctor on ancient earth during the stone age and then in China and ancient Creese, and though time of the other time lords Who have invested their knowledge into other cultures and beliefs some bad and some that changes the status of that society through science and mathematics and warfare on some actions that have been downright questionable this has to including Skaro and Earths prehistory development the reason for the Doctor on Earth perhaps the process of mythology in time travel is that everything has been affected by time travelling Gallifreians on earth and other parts the universe of course there's always other outsiders from other realities who are perhaps at fault and they may have changed everything to, but is Prophecy actually the time lords muddle of something that is from somewhere else like outside time itself some may have a edge of supernatural powers vastly greater than a time lord after all there are other races that are superior to the time lords who have challenged the myth of the Doctor's own story and race as intellectual? Origins are so questionable?
The prophecy that one of the children of time will die may not have anything to do with donna at all remember of the actors and actress that played the children of time only one is dead, the one that played Sarah Jane smith. Dalek Caan was in fact breaking the forth wall.
In a sense, Rose died. The Doctor had to return her back to Pete's World, she was declared dead in ours. But that happend sooner, so I think Dalek Caan didn't mean that either. Jack died a lot. But also not permanently. Donna didn't really die, she just lost memories of the Doctor and their travels. Why (and more importantly how? Was she really that bad with her health?) would Caan foreshadow the death of Elizabeth Sladen? That's really a mystery to me.
I wanted class to have a second season so badly.
And also wilfred being revealed as the one with the 4 knocks that signalled the 10th doctors end was heartbreaking.
Never picked up on that, always assumed it referred to the master and his drums.
Yeah I thought it meant the Master killing him. At one point I even thought when The Doctor fell through the window when the Time Lords was returning that the one with the glove was the one who would kill him. But Wilfred being the one even though I don't think he knew of the prophecy of the four knocks would be the sign of The Doctors demise. I think if he did know of it and how Wilfred was trying to help and at times protect The Doctor he would of sacrifice himself. But we will never know maybe eventually they will make a what if type series and that would be one of them.
@@UltraPokeZ I would have left Wilfred in the box, he was an old man and he'd lived his life. Ten still had hundreds of years left in him.
@@asvarien I get where your coming from, but since that was tenth final journey we may never really know. For all we know that could of been a fixed moment that could of meant Wilfred was suppose to live especially to see Donna get married, or it could of been he needed to die. But like the Doctor its all a big ball of wibbly wobbly timey whimey stuff. But we may never truly know.
@@UltraPokeZ Well we all know really that David Tennant was quitting the show. If he hadn't quit the story would have gone differently.
My favorite is still "the Pandorica will open".
What a great season and especially the finale.
That one or You are not alone
"The only water in the forest is the River". The way that set up the reveal in 'A good man goes to war', and just the reveal of who River Song truly was still blows my mind to this day. Like the way that she was introduced before Amy was, but still, the names made sense for that to work. Like just the amount of time that Moffat was sitting on that before the reveal. Agh it was just so good lol
In The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit the devil tells Rose that she's the valiant child who will soon die in battle. I think this is mentioned again at one time in another episode and by the end of Doomsday we learn that Rose was declared dead in her original universe, given that she was MIA.
One indirect prophecy would be River in the forest of the dead, she mentions the Doctors future, with parts like “He showed up on my doorstep, with a new haircut and a suit”, which is Derillium, and just in general with other subtle hints
Riversong herself is a big prophecy. In the first episode we see her in, Silence In The Library, we see 12's sonic screwdriver, and she mentions dating robots.
One thing I enjoy about River's last appearance is her reaction to first seeing the Doctor. She says "Nardole, what have you brought to my doorstep." Twelve replies by saying that "This is a new haircut! A new suit!" Fans who remembered River's last words to the Doctor before her death probably would have gotten it right then and there, and I know it took me a few watches of each episode to get the hint. Before we've even begun, we know this is River's last hurrah.
You are confusing prophecy and foreshadowing/someone from the actual future telling you what is literally going to happen because it literally did happen to them already.
Not a prophecy if it's a memory.
@@gay_madilynn Except it's not 12th's sonic, he didn't give it to River (despite she said it in the Library episode as well), he actually gave her a new one. They did a great job to actually match it with the one we've seen in the Library, but it still wasn't 12th's.
When Doctor #12 said that "the hybrid is me", he wasn't referring to himself. He was referring to Ashildr, who took the name "Me" a few centuries after the Dr. resurrected her by using the Mire technology. So the Doctor actually said, "The hybrid is Me," meaning "the hybrid is the person formerly known as Ashildr, but now calling herself Me." Or at least that the way I interpreted it.
I disagree I think he actually meant himself cause to me the hybrid was the doctor cause he is half human as stated in the 1996 movie that is still cannon to the show
Not sure that counts because of the timeless child stuff
I agree definitely
In one of the official subtitles of that episode, the sentence is written "The hybrid is Me." Confirming that the Doctor was indeed referring to Ashildr.
I totally agree. He was talking about Ashildr who took the name of Me.
Bad wolf also appears as graphite behind Jack and Tosh in torchwood in the episode were they meet the real Captain Jack
how did i never notice what the trickster meant?!??
my favourite will forever be the multiple arcs in season4; doctordonna, missing planets, bees disappearing, time beetle
Can't forget about The Prophecy of "When a Good Man Goes to War"
It's been a while but didn't the Face of Boe sorta prophecy that the Doctor would meet him a certain number of times? I could be wrong. I haven't watched the RTD stuff since around 2010.
The cat-people nun (also known as novice Hame) spoke of such prophecy, that "he will reveal a secret to the traveler, before he dies". Something like that.
The cleverest bit about Wilf's knocking isn't that he knocks four times, it's that he knocks four times four times. Four series of four knocks each.
In series four
@@Epicness1524 The End of Time is a part of Series Four; it's the 2009 specials.
@@Devlinator61116 I know I was saying it’s another four lol
*Here's my Timeless Child theory:*
After John Simm's Master lasers Missy with the full blast of his laser screwdriver in "The Doctor Falls," Missy regenerates anyway into Sacha Duan's Master. He somehow then makes his way to Gallifrey when the Timelords Reveal that he is the Timeless Child, causing him to go insane realizing that he would never die and have a limitless regeneration supply, which explains his insanity during his return in Spyfall. Later in Season 12, the Master's insanity increases, leading him back to Gallifrey where he uses The Moment, determined to discover any survivors. (If any did survive, he would not be the only Timeless Child and therefore not alone, but Gallifrey falls.)
This is how the Master could destroy Gallifrey in "one night." Furthermore, if my theory is true, Ruth must also be an incarnation of the Master and therefore could be the true reason as to why the Judoon were pursuing her, meaning that there should be a big reveal that she is another incarnation. Because of her sanity, it would make the most sense for her to be the incarnation right before Derek Jacobi's Master.
A good plot of the Season 13 finale would be Ruth's reveal, the Doctor discovering the true story of the Timeless Child, and a final conclusion between the Masters' two incarnations. Because Sacha Duan's Master still desperately wants to die, the Doctor, after her and the Master's arcs are completed and they have sympathy for each other, somehow gives the Master the ability to die. However, Ruth's Mistress doesn't understand the Master's arc yet just like how John Simm's Master didn't understand Missy's perspective in "The Doctor Falls" when she stabbed him. Ruth therefore tries to prevent the Master from killing himself by locking him in the Matrix. Eventually, after battling his previous incarnation along with saving the Doctor and her companions from Ruth for an interval of the finale, Sacha Duan's Master begins to realize that he's turning good; He's saving people like the Doctor's companions that didn't need to be saved in order to get him what he wanted. By the end of the episode, the Master tells Ruth that he will live through his last incarnation (because he now has the ability to die) and help people like the Doctor instead of continuing to be a bad person. Unfortunately, Ruth still hasn't turned and decides it's better for the Master to die than to stand with the Doctor, so she blasts him with her laser screwdriver (Which wasn't revealed that she had one until this moment), taking everyone by surprise as the Master slowly lies down and rests. The Doctor is pushed to the edge; She uses [some weapon that has a reason to be present] to kill Ruth's Mistress, following even more shock from her companions and everybody who previously acknowledged her hate for violence. The Doctor then seals Ruth's identity in the pocket watch once she regenerates into Derek Jacobi's Master which is then later opened during Season 3, allowing the Master to continue his tasks and then jumps back in the tardis with Yaz and her other companion/companions. Horrified by her decision, Yaz and the others leave the TARDIS fam in a peaceful and farewell manner, leaving the 13th Doctor to go on her last New Year Special episode journey alone.
This is a perfect setup. Please share this idea to as many people as you can, no need to give credit, just so this plot shines out among the Doctor Who Community. Thank you for taking your time to read this and have a nice day!
Interesting theory, but couldn't work. There's some points, that simply don't click into place.
The Time Lords would have no reason to confess such thing to the Master (not even to the Doctor, but anyway), why would they? The way he finds out about it, is in that episode itself - from the Matrix.
The Master isn't the TC, it is the Doctor. Again, it's in another episode (Ghost Monument this time).
Burning Gallifrey was a simple outrage, not a plan to find other TCs. Again evidence in episode (the Master himself told the Doctor "I had to destroy them, for what they did", or something like that). Mind you, why would the Master even care, if the TC isn't him? Again, the answer is in the episode. He always thought being special and now he found out, that he's not and what the Time Lords did to the Child, what it means for him - parts of the Doctor live inside him, everything he is, is because of the Doctor. That enraged him and the rest, as they say, is history.
The timeless child could never be the master no matter how much u want it to be cause it was confirmed to be the doctor in season 13 and it would make some of the master’s decisions in the in the classic era not make sense if he had an infinite number of regeneration why would he have needed to steal Nyssa’s father’s body for example so it could never be the master
Dalek Cann spoke about the children of time... Can you even IMAGINE if The Timeless Child from series 11/12 was based on this 🤯
Most likely not.
Children of Time refers to the Doctor's companions. Here's why:
Children are meant humans, because to an advanced race (like the Time Lords for example) we look like children, 10th even described us like that to the Sycorax leader. "Yes, you could. You could do that. But why would you? Look at them, they're like children blinking into the Sun ..."
And Time is connected with time travel, which Doctor's companions do a lot (most under the supervision of the Doctor, some on their own, like Jack). So Children of Time is a fancy way of saying "Your companions, Doctor".
I really doubt, that at the end of series 4, Chibnall already had his plot fleshed out. So no connection there.
Class was criminally underrated!!!
Agreed!
Russell T Davies said in several interviews that the reference to "the DoctorDonna" in 'Planet of the Ood' was a coincidence, and he hadn't even noticed it until a fan asked him after the fact if he'd done it deliberately.
The Doctor actually says that he believes the hybrid is Time Lord + Human. He then tells Clara that he has to erase one of their memories, because the two of them together were too dangerous, implying that they are the hybrid.
Also, just going to say it, Moffat's prophecies really fall flat compared to Davies.
Bad Wolf: Good payoff, even got a callback three years later.
You Are Not Alone: Not much buildup, still a decent payoff.
The Doctor-Donna, Stars Going Out, Bees Disappearing, Something on your Back: All led up to a universe-ending finale.
Silence Will Fall: A prophecy that was built up over a few years, even expanded upon when Dorian says "no lie can be spoken and NO QUESTION CAN GO UNANSWERED." They payoff was... the Doctor didn't answer the question.
Isn't the doctor MORE dangerous when he doesn't have a companion seems like bad writing to me
Not as bad as the 13th doctors but still
@@themostbritishpersonalive868 The Doctor has proven that if they don't have a companion to hold them back, they can be quite dangerous, but the Capaldi Doctor (not going to number him because of the whole 10th also being 11th thing, and the War Doc technically being the 9th, etc) has proven that when the Doctor cares about their companion too much, they will do whatever it takes to save them.
The payoff was actually great, in my opinion at least.
The Doctor couldn't leave Trenzalore, because then the enemies (Daleks mostly) would destroy the planet, they didn't only because he could speak and release the Time Lords the moment they would prepare their weapons. That's quite clever chess stale situation, no party can move fearing the other would strike. And since there was the field of truth, the Doctor also couldn't lie, so what other option was there? Not saying anything at all. In a sense, the Silence won. But it wasn't the Kovarian chapter (at least not the way they tried), it was the Silence, that the Mammal Mainframe declared. I call that clever. The buildup from series 5 was totally worth it.
"Your Song must end soon" and no mention of who else debuted a few episodes later?
WHY WOULD YOU POST THAT???
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Also, the Siege of Tranzalore introduces the True Silents as Confessors, as opposed to Kovarian's split faction.
I just finished rewatching Tennat's run a couple of days ago, and it didn't even occur to me that Ood Sigma could be referring to River.
Ood Sigma referring to River - you just blew my mind! Never considered that before.
@@danthemeegs8751 You guys take that too literally. Ood Sigma simply meant life, or journey (life journey?), remember what the Ood do as a favorite thing? Yes, they sing. For them it's most the time a song here a song there. Especially when they are free. Similarity to River's surname (which actually is switched with her real first name - Melody - Song, Pond - River, so Melody Pond should really be translated as Song River, but I still like it the other way round) is really purely coincidental here. Ood Singma warned the Doctor about his own death/regeneration coming, not about River Song.
@@Croftice1 Yeah I know all that… but have you ever heard of head canon?
In the original run - wasn't there a prophecy about the Key to Time and finding the pieces? And a prophecy around how the first Romana was lost/left at the Warrior's Gate?
I was sad that class didn't continue. We don't have enough Dr who spin offs since SJA ended.
You might think this is a hell of man
But I particularly think this is a hell of show
For me the prophecy of the silence should be no. 1 - absolutely amazing to span from the 1st to the last episode of 11.
Couldn’t the hybrid be the time lord cybermen who literally stand in the ruins of gallerfrey??
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In
The Doctor's Wife", she lets slip that there are 30 or 40 control rooms," some past, some future", prophesizing both the regeneration of Matt Smith into Peter Capaldi and "The timeless Child".
6:55 also Captain Jack. Caan deliberately failed to mention that he would come back, because he was intentionally trying to sabotage the Dalek plan.
In a way I almost wish Patrick Ness hadn't hinted what was supposed to be in Class season 2, cos it made me *more* annoyed it didn't happen
"A nice old lady..."
Old, sir? Why, I'm considerably older than she is!! Wait....
I like how this one listed them in chronological order rather than order of importance. Makes it much easier to avoid the Chibnall era stuff.
I can't believe you left out "Trial of a Time Lord" and the Master telling the Doctor about the Valeyard. "Somewhere between the 12th and final incarnation" of the Doctor.
I think when Jodie leaves us, there ought to be at least a mini-sode about the Valeyard, but a couple of episodes would be awesome!
I believe the meta crisis doctor fits the criteria to be written as the future Valeyard. He was born between the “12th and final incarnations” (post-Journey’s End 10 & 11 were technically 12 & 13), he has the Doctor’s dark impulses (he blew up that Dalek ship), and has a need to find more regenerations (he has only 1 life)
That's seriously a brilliant theory,....
@@AlveeHossain I kinda want a season of a doctor that becomes the valeyard not almost the valeyard like ten did a doctor whos straight up evil
@@AlveeHossain He has only 1 life, because he's not a Time Lord. Remember, one heart, one life and no more. He isn't capable of regenerating, even if a Time Lord sacrificed their energy for him. He's human, humans don't regenerate.
@@themostbritishpersonalive868 technically ruth would be closet we have seen to be valeyard like more so before the whole timeless child came about where ruth could of been a future or alt future verison like say no donna but the doctor survives or donna but she doesnt get the itch to be a doctor like person so the doctor slowly goes more darker and more broodly and after timelord victorious he/she/they becomes the valeyard eviler 10 becomes 11 who is worthy of a eviler side with the whole pandorica then the fugitive doctor is created for they broke out of their cell go on a rampage to get revenge get hurt enough to die and become ruth who is on the run and in hiding deicdes to jump worlds fobwatch her memories and meets jodies doctor. no timelesschild bullshit ruth doctor still a doctor and the valeyard on the horizon with the timelords taking her regens over countless timelines of the valeyard/darker doctor and giving them to the doctor at the fall of the 11th everything rather neater then canon is currently
If you watch the four-parted Dalek Tales The Dalek that Time Forgot, (found only on UA-cam), it explains HOW Dalek Caan became psychic after temporal shift
Imagine knowing what to comment when you're early
No-one ever remembers Micky :(
What about the sort of meta Prophecy of who River was. there where so many references. The first episodes we meet her are titled ... “Silence in the library” and “Forrest of the Dead” River was a member of the silence at one point and the recurring line “the only water in the FOREST is the river” :D
The Doctor Donna is my #1 prophecy! Fills me with glee.
If The Timelords Has So Many Prophecies Then How Didn’t They Already Know About The Time War I Mean They Have A Prophecy About The 10th Doctor And The Master “The Last Timelords” About “White Point Star” And The Gate They How Didn’t They Already Know About The “Last” Great Timewar And The Fall Of Arcadia...
Why do you have a capital letter at the start of every word, it makes it a lot harder to read.
6:50 Khan died, I am pretty sure he is the one he meant
8:25 in Midnight, the Midnight Entity also knocked 4 times; also you failed to mention Master's 4 beats of drums
6:40 personally, I like to think that he was talking about Harriet Jones, who died so that the Doctor could get here and had nothing more than a simple line thrown at the doctor by rose ... Harriet Jones, we know who you are and we'll never forget you 😢😭
Normally I get annoyed at these videos and sometimes grudgingly watch them anyway. However there was some theorisations about Mof-fatheaded science that elucidated some of the hitherto incomprehensible plot points for me. So, props.
Anyone else see it? In #10 The Prophecy of the Gods, that first clip: #4 picks up a doodad...and it looks to me like a miniature of the Genesis Ark from Doomsday.
The Statue of Liberty could realistically never be a weeping angel. All fiction aside, it's almost always being watched by someone, and if it tried to moved when no one was watching, someone would notice the movement, and that it's positioned differently.
Thé hybrid is ashildr. Cause the doctor says "the hybrid is me" ashildr calls herself "me"
They did the Silence prophecy twice. In "The Name of the Doctor", The Doctor causes the Tardis to fall onto Trenzalore ("the fall of the Eleventh"). The Great Intelligence asks "Doctor Who?" The Doctor refuses to answer because his name will open his tomb, where the GI can use his timeline to rewrite history, destroying worlds the Doctor had saved. This makes even more sense with the Silence being "sentinels of history" according to Dorium.
Losing Class was the saddest thing for me. Because I’m an American fan that watches the show religiously. But I wasn’t aware Class was even a thing until after it was cancelled. 😢
What’s your favourite doctor guys?
I don't know if this has been done yet, but it'd be fun to see a ranking of every spin-off series from the Whoniverse from worst to best.
Would that be including books, comics & audio?
@@Grizzly01 If that happened, I think the video would be an hour long. I was more talking about the TV shows that started because of Doctor Who, though it would be fun to see a video on non-TV media
@@firelight3207 5, arguably 6, then, if we're not counting things like _Confidential_ and _Totally_
@@Grizzly01 Nothing wrong with that. Allows WhoCulture to delve in a little deeper about why each show is at a specific spot.
@@firelight3207 Absolutely. I'd be all for that.
My interpretation of the fulfilment of the Hybrid prophecy is that the Doctor is the hybrid, and he is half joy and half sadness.
I agree I was about him but about him being half human as stated in the 1996 movie
@@kevin10001 Thats dumb tho and was only a throwaway line and has never been mentioned again. Also it's too literal. Prophecies are supposed to have double meanings, to say the truth with lies. Personally I think my interpretation is so more fulfilling.
thanks for all your videos always a joy to watch!
donna having her memories taken from her is the most evil thing anyone could ever do.
I believe the master with the covering is the hybrid. He did return to Gallifrey and stood in it's ruins.
Anyone know where I can watch “Class” in the United States?
the doctordonna seems like the hybrid aswell human timelord
Yayyy!! First comment!!
This is the first time I’m here on time!
Edit- yeah I realised later that I’m second, sorry 😓
Btw, I love your videos! This is the only channel I know which posts Doctor who videos, and regularly too!
I think Doctor Who is VERY underrated
Edit- I was first in the next video! :)
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Nope, you're not first.
Yeah, I realised that
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@@shreyasood3206 k your a good guy you know
4 knocks was so sad
My favourite was doctor donner as I didn’t even realise it was a prophecy till the very end
The cancellation of Class gets deeper than firefly
how could you miss "run you clever boy, and remember"/"the impossible girl"
that isn’t a prophecy
The timeless child and lone Cyberman professy
Who loves Wilf when he technically kills the Tenth Doctor?
Hybrid could be the DoctorDonna right? Humans and Time Lords are both powerful races and I bet that that’s what they were thinking when they started (not saying it is just saying it might be)
You forgot to include the Bad Wolf from the anniversary episode.
Why?
@@Croftice1 because she's part of it...?
What if you had a Weeping angel statue of The silence? Would you have to look at it so it wouldn't move and when you look away you forget it's there and it can do as it pleases?
The silence? What's that?
Thank you for fueling my nightmares but this is my new favorite Doctor Who monster. Love hate relationship with this concept. Mostly love.
@@griddori I know who they are I was just making a joke.
@@pengy897 oh, right. my bad lol
I don't know what to put so I will just wish you a good evening x😄🥰❤🌌✨
I cried when Donna got her memories of the doctor taken away
Anyone explain how River Song escaped the angels grasp by breaking her wrist? I can't figure out how breaking the wrist would get you out of that.
I think it's not that breaking her wrist helps her get out, it's that the only way to get out means breaking her wrist
I understand the Master made the Timebermen as a reaction to finding out that the Doctor is the Timeless Child. So the idea that the Doctor is the hybrid can still be correct.
What about planet of the dead ending prophecy
Bruh Class is soooooo underrated wish that theyll make another season
More angles, YES PLEASE!!!
You could 2 part this easy
The RTD era and any other time
An angel civil war would be so dumb the angles quantum lock eachother due to their abilities it makes way more sense for them to be a nomadic species. If I were to give the angels an enemy. I would go with the waters of mars. Having weeping angels actually weep when they are infected. Or just having killer fountains wouldn't be silliest thing in doctor who
anyone else realise Caecilius in the fires of pompeii was Peter Capaldi?
Wasn't it confirmed that the Hybrid was a metaphor for 12 and Clara's relationship?
I was so disappointed that Class never got a season 2
The Hibret or half/breed is the Dr.s child the girl he had! 😄😊😄😊
Maybe they should put a lock on the heart of the TARDIS.
to be fair Rose did need to use a large lorry to open the heart.
Strange video....goes from the bizzare to the blinking obvious!!
Time beetle backpack... Lol
The doctor saves himself, how funny
With time being wibblely wobbly timey wimey, there is the possibility that some things have happen our past experience with the show but the Doctor is never really confined to timelines. ie the pandorica opens.
Things could happen out of order when the doctors companions were asleep or somewhere else then with the doctor. It would be extremely boring for the doctor to wait for people wake up.
Just a theory
Why doesnt anyone talk about Handles? I miss that old thing.
Man the hybrid storyline was a complete mess
How could you not have the prophecy of the return of Gallifrey in The End of Time?
Doctor Professor Who the sword of Prophecy is the core source of those earlier stories in Doctor Who right back to the first Doctor on ancient earth during the stone age and then in China and ancient Creese, and though time of the other time lords Who have invested their knowledge into other cultures and beliefs some bad and some that changes the status of that society through science and mathematics and warfare on some actions that have been downright questionable this has to including Skaro and Earths prehistory development the reason for the Doctor on Earth perhaps the process of mythology in time travel is that everything has been affected by time travelling Gallifreians on earth and other parts the universe of course there's always other outsiders from other realities who are perhaps at fault and they may have changed everything to, but is Prophecy actually the time lords muddle of something that is from somewhere else like outside time itself some may have a edge of supernatural powers vastly greater than a time lord after all there are other races that are superior to the time lords who have challenged the myth of the Doctor's own story and race as intellectual? Origins are so questionable?
What would an angel civil war even look like?
Prophecies ruin everything?
The Moment was the BAD WOLF
Kinda glad Class was cancelled if the plan was to show the angel homeworld. It would have kinda ruined the mystery of them if that happened.
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The prophecy that one of the children of time will die may not have anything to do with donna at all remember of the actors and actress that played the children of time only one is dead, the one that played Sarah Jane smith. Dalek Caan was in fact breaking the forth wall.
In a sense, Rose died. The Doctor had to return her back to Pete's World, she was declared dead in ours. But that happend sooner, so I think Dalek Caan didn't mean that either. Jack died a lot. But also not permanently. Donna didn't really die, she just lost memories of the Doctor and their travels.
Why (and more importantly how? Was she really that bad with her health?) would Caan foreshadow the death of Elizabeth Sladen? That's really a mystery to me.
@@Croftice1 I can't think of an in-universe reason but an out of universe reason would be: for the viewers benefit.
I thought the big bad wolf was the werewolf from Tooth and Claw!
Interestingly enough, the werewolf in Tooth and Claw tells Rose that "she has something of the wolf" herself - meaning of course the Bad Wolf
I wish that could prophecy and get a good dr not another o
Reason the class was cancelled is because the BBC failed to promote it.
It also wasnt very good.
That is what you call good writing cc just cannot keep a good story
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@@beth5350 Hi Dad I'm noone
11:51 class was awful, worst thing ever made
Not every prophesy. Thumbs down.