Got a good answer for the River knowing 10's face, but 10 not knowing hers. In The Husbands of River Song, we see River has pictures of each incarnation of the Doctor, so she does know what 10 looks like. And that makes sense considering the fact she married the Doctor at 11, meaning she'd be able to find out any past incarnations and probably would have it just in case she meets out of order, which she'd most likely be used to (as we hear her say in one of the episodes.) She's also apparently erased memories of her from various Doctors using mnemosine recall-wipe vapour. This is in the game The Eternity Clock.
I also always assumed that that was just the first time that the Doctor meets her. Its the first time we see her too. And, I'm pretty sure she has future episodes with Tennant, or at least with the next Doctor. Wasn't a point that they meet in reverse order all the time? So the first time the doctor meets her, is the last time they meet. And likely vice versa
Totally agree, William Hartnell is the start of The Doctor but who's to say thst the start of The Doctor is the start of the being. Don't forget, The Doctor choose her name. Who's to say they weren't known as something else before William Hartnell. Think about it this way, first they were a lost child, next they were a science experiment, then a secret agent and then only after all that, The Ruth Doctor could be a proto-doctor, literally the regeneration before William Hartnell, before she got her mind wipe but even then, The Doctor came into existence without knowing his true past. As The Doctor says 'We all change, when you think about it, we're all different people; all through our lives, and that's okay, that's good, you've gotta keep moving, so long as you remember all the people that you used to be.' i know the timeless child has divide fans but it's a thing so I've decide to accept it and find the silver linings :-)
@@colinwest5656 we've known of the pre-Doctor incarnations since the 70s, and have known the final 8 faces of the pre-Doctor incarnations since then as well . We've known since the 80s that those 8 faces didn't ever go by The Doctor, rather The Other , one of the 3 founders of Timelord society with Omega and Rassilontechteun. We've known since Ghost Monument that The Doctor was known as The Timeless Child before being known as The Other who was always rumored to be not entirely Gallifreyan and we've known since the 90s that The Doctor is half human. The First Doctor is still the first Doctor and the first Incarnation to steal a TARDIS and run away. Nothing has changed that , nor ever will. The Fugitive Doctor is quite clearly from Season 6b.1 after war games aka The Division Era , she's after The Second Doctor and the shocking reveal is she is before The Second Second Doctor of Season 6b.2 aka The C I A era no longer works for beyond top secret non-existent covert Opps Division but just the regular celestial Intervention Agency unofficially publicly as we see in The Three/Five/Two Doctors
Agreed. Anything that tries to make the Doctor something special, different to other Timelords (The Other, the Timeless Child, etc.) is dumb. The Doctor should only ever be an average Timelord, not even the best in any field. It's what makes them so interesting - despite being nothing special, he decides to go out into the universe, explore it, and eventually start saving/improving lives.
@@markfernkopf5133 @Mark Fernkopf now, this is quite full of half truths, we know we saw the supposed faces of the doctor, we know he said he was half human, but that doesn't take into account that the doctor is a liar. We have no idea about anything with the fugitive other than her being supposedly the doctor. We know more about the timeless child than the fugitive, and people really really hate the timeless child, and wibbly wobbly, no more timeless child
@@randomshit308 the brain of Morbius was intended to , and did show the 8 preceeding faces to The First Doctor . It's what we see and what the writer's producers and directors intended. The Cartmel Master Plan expanded on the pre-Doctor incarnations with the very plain implication that The Doctor was once The Other of the triumvirate of Rassilon and Omega . This was to be spelled out in detail in the 1990 serial Lungbarrow that eventually became a novel that filled in plot holes across the years and literally ended the very moment that the 1996 movie begins. Ghost Monument and October 2018 basically shouted from the rooftops that the doctor was also once known as the Timeless child obviously before being known as the other okay fine that fits and I fully expected to see those eight pre-doctor faces the final eight faces of the other at the season finale That season because I was so excited they were bringing that fact back up but no it would be the next season that we finally saw those pre-doctor faces yet again. The Timeless Children implies very subtlety I admit but implied nonetheless that The 7th Timeless Child grows up to be The First Other , we don't know if there are any Incarnations after him but before the final 8 incarnations of The Other whose faces we've known for decades . There could be zero there could be 75 there could be a million, I'm thinking most likely none , but in my own personal head canon that there is one Incarnation at least in that possible gap who went by the name of Rufus portrayed so beautifully by George Carlin , this head canon includes a pre Delgado Master as the antagonist in the 2nd film and Susan's mother is Rufus's daughter in the 3rd ... But that's just a personal fan theory I like so much I hope it's true lol As for The Fugitive Doctor , beyond any and all reasonable doubt, 100 percentage certainty she is from Season 6b aka The Division Era . Dozens of facts point unilaterally at this fact . Nothing suggests otherwise . It contradicts nothing filling in plotholes along the way . Her unique police box identical to Troughton and Pertwee only is a huge sign . The Fugitive Doctor knowing the Sonic Screwdriver by its name only and not by the look of , sound of , or functions witnessed of 13's sonic, Troughton level screwdriver knowledge, small plain cylindrical silver fountain pen the sounds very different and only screws screws .... Now that she has seen what it will evolve into she will tinker and it's next seen in season 7 in pertwees hands larger colorful flamboyant moving parts functioning as a remote door opener. The fact that Pertwee was the first to use venusian akido and we are shown and told that vanusian akido is standard division training. We know the character used to have unlimited Regenerations and we know The First Doctor and The Second Doctor had but the one human heart each and by the time The Doctor has become Pertwee, he has two. The Doctor's fundamental biology was completley changed between Troughton and Pertwee. We see the young Fugitive Doctor being recruited into The Division shortly after her Regeneration at the end of The War Games in The Timeless Children. We also see, Through the Brendan perception filter, the recaptured Fugitive Doctor retired from The Division having the memories of the entire Regeneration that worked for the division erased via Chameleon Arch simultaneously rewriting her DNA into being a regular full blooded two-hearted 12 regeneration limited Gallifreyan Time Lord, triggering her now first of 12 regenerations controlled by the Timelords to hide everything by making the new face the same as the one worn immediately previously albeit a bit older The Second Second Doctor of Season 6b.2 as seen in The Three Five Two Doctors
I like to think that the Dream Lord from season 5 (Matt Smith's first season) could be a glimpse into the valeyard, since he was a psychic projection of the darkest aspects of the doctor. It'd be awesome to see Toby Jones return as the Valeyard, and not just the Dream Lord.
There was plan in the John Nathan turner time of the classic era called the cardinal master plan that has been talked about over time during the modern era and it feels more like chris chibnall did a version of it as the timeless child cause he is a fan of the classic era of the and it’s apparent in the tone of is time as show runner
I think the Doctor is the Doctor. One day, the Doctor will regenerate into a child and put themself on that planet and wait to be found. They were never born and will never die. They are a bootstrap paradox.
@@Mr11ryan a huge contender would be Caves of Andrazoni part 3 , "you're not gonna stop me now !!" And another the very end of Season 6 ..... That one having become recently extremely relevant ...... :) But yeah , that's a video I want to see like now !! Or why limit it to classic who Top 10 cliffhangers ever ! Outta all 39 seasons!! 💙💙
I think River wipes his memory or goes by a different identity so she doesn't mess up the timeline and so he doesn't recognise her until Silence in the Library
@@connorwood9211 yeah definitely doesn't make sense, but it COULD be explained away by River meaning it's the youngest she's ever seen that specific incarnation
@@michaelwhitmire9015 is the doctor a guardian? Maybe, the white guardian? No only one white, one black, the balance of order and chaos. The celestial toy maker the very first doctor met was a guardian too, so there could be others
No the Delgado and the Corpse version r both the 13th incarnation, and the following faces until Eric Roberts r the 13th inc, McQueen becoming the 14th.
@@homercannon No you're wrong. Delgado is the 12th incarnation and regenerates after facing Capaldi's Doctor in a comic story. The corpse Master becomes a corpse after the MacQueen Master burns him horrifically for pretty much no reason whatsoever
To be fair the Valeyard does have a bit of redemption on that planet, and it's a pretty good story to boot. Definitely worth listening to the Big Finish Time War series
@@dawnsoisson3140 I don't know if I want to know what happens to her ultimately. Personally I'd find it tragic if she doesn't make it out of the war alive, which would ultimately make the Time War more consequential.
So, the thing about the Rani. When Tony Ainley was the Master, he had a contract that stipulated that they had to use him at least once a season and pay him a certain amount. The BBC did not like having to pay him that much. So... they created the Rani with the intention that she would replace the Master as the Doctor's nemesis. Thing is, she wasn't nearly as popular as the Master was. So, Tony won in the end. XD
All the Doctor Who episodes come from different alternate universes, each with slightly different histories. The Doctor *does not know this* and hops from universe to universe each time they time travel thinking he/she knows What Should Be, but when they leave, it all reverts back to what was before. That's how different Doctors, Masters, and even the Time Lord species have different histories and seem to forget different things or to know things they can't possibly know. They're different Doctors with different memories. There can be no resolution.
Also, in "The Silver Nemesis," the noblewoman with a nose for secrets revealed that the Doctor is not a Time Lord. That ended with Ace asking the Doctor "who are you?"
Master's Biography is available at fandom wiki, the way He/She survived a lot, also there was a offscreen regeneration between missy and spymaster that wanted Master to be good
Would be a very interesting flip if Romana came back regenerated as a man while the Doctor is a woman. Possible doorway to get those bigger name actors we want for a Doctor reincarnation into the show without trying to lock them down for a full time role. Maybe for a special or 2 parter
THANK you! Such a good moment where the Doctor doesn’t know who River is, but I’m not even good at recognizing timeline mistakes and plot holes, and this made zero sense. Everyone I’ve heard try to explain it sounds like they grasping at straws to say “No, no. It totally can make sense….if you twist around the rules like a pretzel to make the error work!” It simply doesn’t. Great great great great episode, beautiful scene, so I can overlook it. Just stop trying to back into an explanation to try and justify it, and admit, that that particular story thread wasn’t thought through all the way. That’s as bad a people who believe Lucas knew Luke and Leia were brother and sister all along. He didn’t. And that’s ok!
I've just caught up on the show and there's two more unexplained and incredibly confusing things. 1 is that the master has been confirmed dead once (missy) and put in a position with no chance of survival (Oh). So let's assume given their personalities Oh predates Missy, how would it even have been possible for him to survive? 2 is that despite the fact the Jadoon have had numerous encounters with The Doctor how was it only just mentioned that The Doctor is a wanted criminal especially since the crimes were seemingly committed many regenerations ago? Not to mention what the crimes were?
Good points with the Master. But he could still be after Missy, despite it messes her redemption arch. Even if Missy couldn't regenerate, someone could still find her body and you know, resurrect her, forcing to regenerate into the latest one. That someone could be Rassilon, for all we know, he's not on Gallifrey anymore, the 12th Doctor exiled him, so a way to plan his revenge, maybe? Resurrect the Master (Missy) and send them after the Doctor in a new regeneration. Or something completely different might be going on there. I really don't know. But Dhawan's Master could be between Simm and Gomez as well. Who knows, who nose? With the Judoon, well, maybe someone hired them, someone, who puts all those charges on the Doctor. What do we know?
Could the meta-crisis doctor actually be the valeyard? Technically the meta-crisis doctor is the 12th regeneration and the valeyard is suppose to come about between the Doctor's 12th and final regeneration. In a roundabout way, the meta-crisis doctor is all the regeneration between the 12th and final one. We also know from the series how David Tennent's Doctor can 'go too far' and that Matt Smith's Doctor can't just live a normal life ie the cubes. There's also the fact that the technology exists to turn a time Lord into a human. So who's to say that the meta-crisis doctor didn't at some point change himself to a Time Lord, he's smart enough to do it or what if on his death bed, he regenerates anyway and with rose gone, he goes even bound Time Lord Victorious, believing himself to be a God. Plus there's that deleted scene where the meta-crisis doctor and rose are given the ability to grow their own TARDIS, who's to say he didn't use it to return to our universe. So many possibilities......
A continuation of this which could be taken into the series and re-introduce the Valeyard, is they know the truth about themselves being the timeless child. Now I know this has divide the fans but I'm going with it because it's a thing. What if the Valeyard is re-introduced after he's regenerated several times since the meta-crisis doctor so he knows the truth about himself. We don't actually know if Matt Smith's Doctor would have regenerated or not without the Time Lord's help, maybe they only pretend to help him so he didn't discover the truth or maybe the Time Lords genuinely thought they were helping as only a few actually knew the truth. Don't forget, Matt Smith's Doctor wasn't on his death bed, he was just old when he regenerated and from the looks of it, he regenerated to get the advantage. So in series 13, The Doctor is trying to find answers and the Valeyard already has the answers. This would also mean, the Valeyard in the original run always knew The Doctor was not a Time Lord. It would also be quite interesting to see what made the Valeyard go back and prosecute the sixth doctor. Was it out of hatred? Was it to make sure timeliness were restored? Was the Valeyard actually doing the right thing to preserve the past? Again so many possibilities, especially as The Doctor as been interacting with her past recently.
In some of the audios Romana is the timelord president at the start of the timewar before they bring Rasilon back, I can't remember which audios that is from. Sorry for any spelling errors.
No it’s not zagreus that’s her first appearance it’s the apocalypse element but she continues through most of the Gallifrey series. Zagreus is the first time she meets Leela though
Various script writers did not always follow the time lines and history created by previous writers, so inconsistencies have multiplied. In the past couple of years, great gobs of history have been trashed, pretty much making any logical time line impossible. I've given up trying to make sense of it all and haven't watched the show recently.
@@DrWhoFanJ it's an awful idea. To us the Doctor is amazing. But to the time Lords, he was always a menace, renegade. On his home planet he's nothing, always has been. That's more interesting than him being the most important time lord ever. It ruins the character.
@@vikingr246 And who said any of that prior backstory had been erased? 🤷♂️ If everyone forgets something happened, then, to all intents and purposes, it didn’t. Now please just stop commenting such utter nonsense, and learn how to appreciate the show like a rational human being again. Failing that, just accept it’s not for you, and let those of us who can do so do so in peace!
@@DrWhoFanJ I love this show more than anything. I want it to continue, but Chris Chibnall has ruined it and he needs to be replaced. The timeless child idea is bad from a story telling perspective as it places the main character in a position where he's no longer relatable in anyway. He's some kind of God now. He's not a renegade, he's not a lacky who wished for something more, he is the founder of his entire race. It's just bad storytelling.
@@vikingr246 You love it more than anything, yet fail to understand so many of its core messages at once? Hmmmmm… 🤔🤷♂️ And, no, Chris Chibnall has not destroyed anything of importance whatsoever. So he’s destroyed the love you professed you had for the show? Tough! It was clearly based on a false premise if this could destroy it, so… So incorrect it’s scarcely believable. It’s very good from a storytelling perspective for what must be the simplest reason ever: It makes so many new stories possible that would simply never have been available otherwise. In what universe is that even remotely a bad thing‽ 🤷♂️ (And stop calling her a “he”!) Oh, so a time-travelling alien being who can change form when they die, can travel across the Universe in a few seconds, and can meet anyone from the past or the future was perfectly relatable, but suddenly adding one small thing (that isn’t even necessarily true)? Oh, no, that’s taking it too far! You see how stupid you sound now? Kindly be sensible and wait until we’ve received enough information about the new revelation(s) before creating such a conclusive judgment on it!
The memories thing could be the same as when a past doctor meets a present doctor. The present doctor will be the only one who retains the memories of the event due to timey wimey stuff. So like with the war doc, 10 and 11 meeting only 11 actually remembers the event but only remembers stuff as it plays out before him. He gains all 3 perspectives at the same time. So if he is present when River meets the other doctors then they won't remember since only the current doctor would retain the memories.
For #6 my best guess is the doctor spoiled river on some facts about their first meeting during their final "night" with each other. Saying something along the lines of, "endings aren't always fixed. You'll be seeing me again in the library." Giving her the screwdriver then. This would be a bit of a lie as it would make it sound like the doctor would be going to save her and keep it from being their last visit, but not tip off it's their first time they've met.
Ashildr was not technically killed by the Mire. She died while being linked to a device that projected images to frighten the Mire. Her death was an unexpected consequence of the process.
I am still not convinced that the Doctor is “a” or “the” timeless child. Obviously, the master can be lying. It doesn’t mean that she isn’t special, just that I’m willing to wait and see.
Yeah, I don't trust what the master says. Say, the master finds out he's adopted, and can't handle that, so instead tells his least favourite sibling that THEY'RE the one who was adopted. 🤷♀️ Or like those brothers (in journey to the centre of the TARDIS) who told their youngest sibling that he was a cyborg.
@@lexwithbub Not a cyborg, they mocked him for being android, which he wasn't, because he only had some implants after an accident, doesn't that make him cyborg? Anyway I wonder, how people fail to remember (or is it just a case of not accepting?) the Ghost Monument episode, where the Timeless Child actually began. The first mention, that the Doctor indeed is the Timeless Child, comes from the Remnants (the murder blankets of death), who explicitly called the Doctor by that name. The Master is a well known liar, but we know that information from two separate sources now.
I have always thought they need to bring back the Rani somehow - it was a good character and maybe the Missy character had some of those traits (and yes Missy was the master) - hopefully they can do something new to reincorporate the Rani back
it would be a somewhat dark but settling cannon if the final last reg of the master fought in the last time war, but then the 9th doctors tone helps the tone to the story after a re watch
So, the Master 'died' in the Eye of Harmony in the Doctor's TARDIS during the movie. The Time Lords (he says this at the end of time) brought him back to live and gave him a full set of regenerations so he could fight in the Time War. We don't know how many regenerations he went through during the Time War though.
What if the master throws the doctor into the timestream (unprotected) causing the Doctor to regenerate in a extreme way. Turning her into a child and turning her into the timeless child. If the current Master is a regeneration before Missy, then Missy could have known the Doctor as a little girl. (also fixing a lot of continuity holes in the story)
or the master is plain lying and THEY are the time less child, and had gone mad by the experimentation and looking in the schism (and is jealous of the doctor because HE is what the master wished they could be)
@@krypotico I think Ruth is a clone of the 2nd doctor 1 her TARDIS is a police box. It is known it took that shape when first stayed in London then the chamelon circuit broke and held that shape 2 she doesnt know about the sonic screwdriver. We first saw the sonic about half way through 2nds run and he used it VERY rarely, so if she was created early in his time she wouldnt have seen it 3 there is a large fan base for a mysterious season 6b where 2nd did work for the Time Lords before he regenerated, and there IS on screen, in canon, hints this may be true. Hint 1 we never actually saw 2nd regenerate (the only doctor in who history to NOT have an actual regeneration) Hint 2 go watch the beginning of the two doctors from 1984. We have a much older 2nd and Jamie travelling together in a different TARDIS with a remote control in the console (some would argue that the actors are 18 years older. it happens. Yes it does, but Pat was in the 5 doctors the year before and coloured his hair black and did not look that different to when he was in the show. This time he WANTED to look his age - or didnt want to dye his hair or wear a wig again) so the Time Lords could control where he went 4 My personal veiw, if the doctor isnt having a psychotic break after how vicious his regeneration was, they've fallen into an alternate universe and Ruth is THIS universes doctor. Chibby says she not not an alternate universe doctor, but if this is a paralell world of course shes not!
@@julieeverett7442 Well thought out. I love it. And I have to agree. It fits. Although I also believe my theory fits, only time will tell if the writers agree.
@@krypotico Nice to know, and I do agree the current master is before Missy, note that we never saw the Simms master or Missy regenerate. I always thought she was the last incarnation of this cycle. I have been disabused of this fact, so ok, a much later one
If the (DOCTOR WHO) series gets rebooted again someday; I hope these stories are put into it, and I want each of the mysteries of the stories get solved.
I’d love for Clive Owen to play The Master impersonating someone else. Owen as an actor and The Master as a character have a great mischievous smile that comes on when their character’s plan comes together and I’d love to see an eerie marriage of the two.
I think the Time lords and the Darleks where the ones who started the war and the ones who ended it other races took part in it but where soon destroyed
The Mystery with River is not how she recognizes him, as she states in one episode, that she has a record of all his faces. So of course she would know that face. The bigger mistery is, how she would not know that she meets the Doctor BEFORE his 11th or 12th incarnation, since she just met the 12th one and must know, that this face belongs to the one before she had the adventure on the Byzantium etc.
She keeps track of the faces, but not necessarily of their exact order. Basically she knows a face being the Doctor, but not exactly which regeneration of him. They've met in the reverse order, yes, but I think it still was kinda randomness in there. As she might have hopped from earlier 11th to a later 11th during their times together and then back to earlier version of 11th again. It really depends on situations. The ship, that crash lands on Darillium, she meets 12th for the first (and last) time there, when she goes to the Library, which is just after spending 24 years long night with 12th, she sends the Doctor a message to meet her there. But to which regeneration did she send it? Obviously 10th received it (told Donna, it's the reason, why they're there), but River said to her team members, that she was supposed to meet another Doctor, 10th wasn't "her" Doctor. So she sent it either to 12th (whom she just left), or to 11th (most likely).
I also just remembered this, the only few people who know the doctor's last name is river song, his/her mother and father as well, but we don't know what the doctor's real first name is either so it raises the question, what is the doctors real first and last name because the doctor always went by doctor who and not by his/hers real name before, the only people like I said before is river, and his/her parents, and we don't know how many names the doctors goes by either, because of how many names the doctor shown people over the years and they believed it, so it rises more and more questions about the doctor that we don't know than we do know, we also don't know if the doctor had a Tardis before the one he/she has now, because we don't know who his/ hers parents are and we don't know what gender the doctor is or the name of the doctor yet and also the age of the doctor either, so if anyone wants to help me out and try and understand anything, be my guessed, but you might be like me and get really stumped because everything i just said is true like how did river and the doctor meet and end up getting married or how did the war happen or even how did his/ hers parents die, we don't know at this point.
OK, in replying to these: 10. The Master has had about 20 regenerations throughout the whole franchise: his Roger Delgado incarnation was his 13th incarnation, then there was when he killed both Nyssa's Dad Tremas (played by Anthony Ainley) and the paramedic Bruce (played by Eric Roberts) so that he could have bodies to inhabit, the Eighth Doctor encountered another version of him in some comic and also the one played by Alex McQueen, soon after was the child version encountered by the War Doctor and after him were his War/Yana (played by Derek Jacobi), "Harold Saxon" (John Simm), "Missy" (played by Michelle Gomez) and "O" incarnations (Sacha Dhawan). 9. The Rani? What about the other Time Lords? Also, the Rani has been quite a popular character of returning to the show and several Revived Series characters including Rose, Donna, Lucy Saxon (ironic, since the Rani's first appearance had her alongside the Master) and Missy were thought of as being her (the latter being also ironic because it was teased that Missy was actually the Rani). 8. Anyone else remember Eve, the red-skinned young alien girl from The Sarah Jane Adventures story The Mad Old Woman In the Attic and how she indirectly mentioned that her race were caught up in the Time War? Also, off-screen stories have said the Time Lords and the Daleks had allies during the Time War; the Time Lords had Ophelia and the Sisterhood of Karn while the Daleks had giant, ferocious creatures. 7. I think maybe Swift just lived out his normal, mortal life since the resurrection energy got used up. 6. River has actually met EVERY incarnation of the Doctor 1-12 (even the War Doctor) and even once stated in a game her opinions of them. The audio stories also had her meeting the Fifth Doctor, but she wiped his and his other incarnations' memories following them. 5. The first time the Doctor's age was revealed was in the Second Doctor story The Tomb of the Cybermen at 450. However, it's all a bit of a blur with the Seventh Doctor saying in Time and the Rani that he was 953 while the Ninth, Tenth and Eleventh Doctors were all in their early 900s. 4. If you recall, Romana (her name is pronounced "Ro-ma-na-da-vat-ra-lun-dar") was with the Doctor for almost 3 seasons (one in her first incarnation, almost 2 in her third). 3. As stated, the Valeyard fought in the Time War in some off-screen story where he was last seen in a last stand fighting against the Daleks while believing himself to be the Doctor. 2. I always took it that the Doctor and the Master just went down separate paths because of their different moralities, but they still cared for each other and couldn't kill the other because of it. 1. In Hell Bent, Ashildr thought about the possibility that the Doctor was the Hybrid since he's half-human. However, there are thoughts that the Doctor might have just made up that fact.
5 2nd 450 4th 748- about 800 6th 900 7th 956 at the beginning of his incarnation 8th lost his memory and started again, although in sherzo he says he about 1000 years old and spends 600 years on a planet called orbis so anywhere between 1600 and 2000 years old the war doctor broke the promise and did not regard himself as the doctor and started again. And he clearly stated in day of the doctor that he was 800 years old. The modern day count comes from the war doctor, 9th had about 100 years, either before he met Rose, or when he left and then came back, so he SAID he was 900, but 2500/2600 would actually be closer 4 Romana 1was assigned by the white guardian to help the doctor find the key to time and travelled with him for that season Romana 2 was a copy of Princess Astra and travelled for 2 seasons (minus 2nstories) then stayed in Espace as she did NOT want to go back to Gallifrey
I like to think the current doctor and all her arcs are just one bad dream and one day a new doctor is gonna wake up and be like "well, that was weird.... right! back to work!"
I wonder how many of these are answered by big finish, let's see? How many incarnations that the master had depends on how you count it. Missy is the 18th, the first master has encountered the 1st doctor, the 3rd encounters the 12th, the 4th encounters the 13th, that incarnation is who we see throughout classic who, then there's the big finish master, who regenerations into the two war doctors, the 15th being the child and then the 16th being the master we meet in utopia, then John simm is the 17th and missy is the 18th, making the O master the 19th if they are in order. 19 incarnations of which we know of the 1st, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th and 19th. We are missing 10 of them. It would be cool for the rani to show up in the time war, it would make sense for them to use her in the war. As for the other sides of the time war, those have been answered in engines of war and the time war and galifrey series. Hasn't river met the 10th doctor in the big finish audio. If we only count from the 1st doctor and don't count the confession dial, the doctor is at least 3000 years old, this can be worked out by following the doctors age in the classic era where it goes over 1000, then resting it in the time war to 0 because they are no longer the doctor and then counting the doctors age to the 12th doctor. I'd live to see romarna again. I can see her and some timelords surviving due to being off world scouting the post time war universe. I'd like to see the valeyard returning, although I still think that we have seen them and they are the meta crisis doctor. So a god number of these are answered just not directly.
*My biggest question is* when the Doctor calls his companion while he's in a different point in time, how does the call choose when to activate for the receiver? For example, if the Doctor is in 1939 and calls his companion to ask how it's going who we see is in the present day, how does the call choose when to ring? The call was made about 80 years ago so why does the phone line connect with the companion at that specific time? The only thing that connects these moments is OUR PERSPECTIVE of them but we are usually irrelevant in the story so that's what my big question is.
There's probably some kind of "internal relative time" in place. If you and The Doctor are off on some adventure, but The Doctor has to travel either to the distant past or distant future for some reason, but agrees to call you "in one hour". Regardless of what time period each of you are in, the "one hour later" is still one hour later, relative to both of you.
I think the Sisters of Karn have a bigger input in the Doctor's origins than we've been lead to know. It's highly possible they assisted Tecteun and the creation of Gallifreyans...their interest in the Doctor reeks of executives concerned about their investment in a company being mismanaged by buffoons.
If so, the writers could play on the parallel universe, if there can be 2 versions of earth like in I think Age of Steel 10th doctor, why not 2 versions of gallifrey?
I hoe the Timeless Child thing gets retconned. It basically makes the Doctor the most important being in the universe, and that's so... NOT the Doctor. I wish they'd at least made the Timeless Child someone else.
Lol basically everyone and their dog were thinking of the Doctor during the Year that never was. Talking about the most important being in the universe being so ... NOT the Doctor. Basically a space Jesus. And that's not only that episode. The Doctor always was special or important. Timeless Child didn't change that. Being an abused child experiment doesn't make you important whatsoever. Being a victim doesn't make you special in no way. The child wasn't a space Jesus, building the Time Lord society around itself, the experiments did it.
Now depending who you go with.....Big Finish or the BBC. Geoffrey Beeves Master was resurrected by the Time Lords given a new cycle of regenerations where he regenerated into Alex McQueen's War Master then Derek Jacobi's War Master
Not sure if true, but I heard that the Rani isn’t in the show due to right issues with rights then Bakers Could be made up tho tbh, do kinda wish they do return
Never ever seen two or more incarnations of the Doctor, or the Master at once? Those do happen, in Big Finish even more frequently, than you'd think. The Valeyard could come from the future to "help" in the time War, or whatever, while the War Doctor was the actual proper regeneration of the Doctor during the war. Quite easy explanation, if you think of the show as a time traveling sci-fi. Maybe that's a strange concept for you, guys. I don't know.
@@KillerMeme exactly! I was sort of laughing to myself and thinking that George Lucas wasn't so much of a visionary as he was a thief!🤣. Not really of course, but I find these different little coincidences over the years, of things that seem very Star Wars-ish, but came out before Star Wars. One example in in a sci-fi book from the 60s titled "The Cosmic Computer," it mentions a planet called Hoth.
Haha. That’s something this is special about Doctor Who. That it has inspired pretty much all of Sci Fi pop culture. I always think of Bossk’s suit in Empire. It is just an outfit that someone wore in Dr Who that they just used
One question not been asked yet is if the doctor was from another reality (timeless child) and the galefryans took the regeneration from the doctor then did they also change their DNA to be the same being as the doctor or where the two species the same for the regeneration to work?
Considering 11 was on his 12th (or was it 13th?) and "final" Regeneration, but was "gifted a new set by the Timelords" shouldn't the Master have their final death soon? Like seriously, no way the Timelords "gift" them another set, right? Especially since they're now dead again? Idk, maybe since The Master can clearly just "somehow" wipe out Gallifrey completely, like how Palpatine can "somehow" return... maybe they also "somehow" stole the tech that gifts Timelords new Regeneration sets? Ugh.
I have a question if anyone can help me figure out. In the episode Blink when Sally was watching The Doctor explaining about the weeping angels and how him and Martha was stuck in the past, at the end of the episode it shows different weeping angels and his last few words don't blink, and good luck. The video then does a closeup of his eye blinking. Was it ever explained how he and Martha traveled to the past without the Tardis? I was just watching the episode while I was watching this video. He may have answered at one point he got there, and I just might be having a moment of forgetfulness. I hope my question is understandable and someone can help me.
When Billy Shipton arrived in the past, the Doctor tells him: "you've been sent back in time by an Angel, probably the same as us, judging by the year" Or something like that. So the Doctor and Martha were surprised by an Angel, who sent them back in time, stuck there without the TARDIS.
In regards to #10: Could it be a case similar to river/the doctor, how they often found each other, one at the end of their time and the other at the beginning?
Use your imagination. Or use the actual piece of information from the show itself instead. Maybe the two heart was a thing of the child, maybe the Galafrayans (it's spelled Gallifrey) didn't have two hearts at first, maybe they altered themselves using the child as a template. I don't know, I may be wrong (something tells me, I'm not).
Madame Gavarian used the same recipe that Tecteun aka Rassilon used to cook themselves up some regenerating Timelords. Only difference is The Timeless Child had one human parent , a father from the far distant future perhaps Wilfred Mott or capt jack or Coshamas who knows and her Gallifreyan Shabogon Spacelord Commander Rassilontechteun whereas melody pond had the two human parents still human dna plus lots of en utero space time vortex radiation exposure.... That Untempered schism Rassilontechteun discovered and studied for years on end certaintly would have provided plenty of that.! Thanks to River Song , we know the recipe for cooking up a Regenerating Timelord ... Obviously Rassilontechteun used the same recipe but had no qualms experimenting upon herself nor her offspring... Anything it took , her life had become obsessed with regaing the immortality she was born with and robbed of by the Katurah with the rest of the life forms in the universe in the early dark times.
RE Why does River recognize Ten, she says elsewhere that she has photographs. The Doctor gave them to her specifically for this purpose--he, of course, knew the necessity. If I figure out which episode it is, I'll update this.
Got an Idea! If the timeless child really is canon and gave something of hers to the Gallifreyan why not combine this with the story of the Beast. Something like despite now knowing his own origin and what they did to him he had to give them some of his power in order to trap the beast the 10th will later defeat?
the time war was pretty much every group in the universe given that it included all of time for example the shadow proclamation formed from the races that fought on the side of the timelords and was ment to insure something like that never happened again by maintaining order and watching the timeline for changes many other races fought on the dalek side one thing to note that most of the races that end up enemies in the show were infact allies of the timelords during the war but after it having lost everything and having no way to fix it due to the loss of the timelords they wanted payback
Oh god if they dont wrap up the timeless child thing in the next series or sweep it under the rug or something i afraid i may have to call it time on doctor who. Forgive the pun it was unintentional 😄
Yeah, Timeless Child was probably an elaborate lie The Master told to screw up The Doctor. There’s absolutely nothing in canon that would back it up and The Master is kindof untrustworthy. I mean, if we had foreshadowing going back a few seasons or even a few doctors, I might accept it, but it really felt out of place. Don’t know why I’m rambling about the Timeless Child... It just gets under my skin every time I hear it mentioned. Something this big needed foreshadowing and buildup if it’s true. Personally, I’m going to go forward thinking it’s a big lie even if The Doctor is dumb enough to believe it.
The Timeless Child is mentioned first by the Remnants (murder blankets of death) in the Ghost Monument episode. I know, it's easy to miss. They specifically call the Doctor by that name, telling her, that they see what's hidden, even from her. The Master is a liar, but for once could actually tell the truth. More so, if it comes from two separate sources (the Master & the Remnants). Also how would you explain Ruth then? She is a regeneration of the Doctor, Chibnall said, she's not a clone, nor a fake, or even alternate reality, she's the Doctor from our main timeline. If the Master was the Timeless Child, then Ruth would be his incarnation, not the Doctor's. And honestly Ruth doesn't look like a liar. When she said, she is the Doctor, I believed her (we can safely add it to the two separate sources as an indirect evidence as well).
I'm going to sound obsessed but HERE WE GO! 1) Child/Teenage/Transphobe Master 2) Delgado (Much later on) 3) Healthy 13th/Crispy/Ainley/Tipple/Dribbly/Roberts 4) MacQueen 5) Child in Time War 6) Jacobi 7) Simm 8) Missy 9) Lumiat 10) Dhawan
It's stated the Delgado Master was the 13th and final incarnation of The Master in Classic Who. The original on screen yes but not the original incarnation.
HE DIDNT LIVE THROUGH ALL TIME IN THE DIAL He kept dieing and a clone/rebuild of him with no memories of the time carried out. He only had the experience of a single time in the dial surely
It just dawned on me.... if the Doctor is an alien being to the planet of Gallifrey.....many do they have the same physiology? All Gallifreyans have two hearts and then a realitively human physiology, as does the Doctor!
Not paying attention, friends? In the Timeless Children episode (which the question addresses) it is shown/said, that the Shobokans (original Gallifreyans) ALTERED themselves, using the CHILD as a TEMPLATE. Their physiology might have been different at first, but they are the same race from that point on. How about paying attention, using logic and not asking stupid questions?
No just fused some elder on another planet who I believe was one of the companions father Believe he only had that one body, but the Timelords did offer him more regenerations in the Five Doctors But then the master never likes to stay dead
Where are all the Time Traveling Time Lords? We know there are Tardises all over Gallifrey! So, there should be Time Lords travelling through all of time and space... Even if they all died during the Time War, their younger/past selves should be able to have adventures in the Doctor's present... EXAMPLE: A timelord that knows the First Doctor in 1963 travels to 2022 and encounters the Thirteenth Doctor on Planet X. Then travels to 2004 and dies while fighting alongside the War Doctor. The War Doctor then regenerates into the Ninth Doctor in 2005... While the Doctor may not be "ALONE" because the Master survived the Time War. That doesn't mean there are not others out there... The Doctor should still be able to have adventures with all those Time Travelling Time Lords. So where are they?...
Here's another mystery 4 ya how many companies has the doctor had? Because in the series, the 10th doctor had Rose, Martha, Donna, Wilfred, Jack, Micky, Jackie and Rose's father. But in the comics, there's Gabby Gonzalez 4 the 11th Alice Obiefune so anyone have an answer?
Isn't the Valeyard incompatible with the Timeless Child? Like the idea of a 'final' regeneration doesnt exactly work with a character that in theory never runs out of regenerations not to mention why would the Valeyard want more regenerations if the timeless child again has infinite regeneration.
Got a good answer for the River knowing 10's face, but 10 not knowing hers.
In The Husbands of River Song, we see River has pictures of each incarnation of the Doctor, so she does know what 10 looks like. And that makes sense considering the fact she married the Doctor at 11, meaning she'd be able to find out any past incarnations and probably would have it just in case she meets out of order, which she'd most likely be used to (as we hear her say in one of the episodes.) She's also apparently erased memories of her from various Doctors using mnemosine recall-wipe vapour. This is in the game The Eternity Clock.
Was just about to say about the pics
I also always assumed that that was just the first time that the Doctor meets her. Its the first time we see her too.
And, I'm pretty sure she has future episodes with Tennant, or at least with the next Doctor.
Wasn't a point that they meet in reverse order all the time?
So the first time the doctor meets her, is the last time they meet. And likely vice versa
@@Canadian_Zac It's not necessarily in reverse order, it's more a random order
She could just, y’know… have got a set of pictures from 11. (Explains why she doesn’t have 12’s picture)
but could power of the doctor bring that theory back to life...
The Doctor in his first incarnation stole a Tardis and then kidnapped a couple of teachers. That's the start and it always shall be.
Totally agree, William Hartnell is the start of The Doctor but who's to say thst the start of The Doctor is the start of the being. Don't forget, The Doctor choose her name. Who's to say they weren't known as something else before William Hartnell. Think about it this way, first they were a lost child, next they were a science experiment, then a secret agent and then only after all that, The Ruth Doctor could be a proto-doctor, literally the regeneration before William Hartnell, before she got her mind wipe but even then, The Doctor came into existence without knowing his true past. As The Doctor says 'We all change, when you think about it, we're all different people; all through our lives, and that's okay, that's good, you've gotta keep moving, so long as you remember all the people that you used to be.' i know the timeless child has divide fans but it's a thing so I've decide to accept it and find the silver linings :-)
@@colinwest5656 we've known of the pre-Doctor incarnations since the 70s, and have known the final 8 faces of the pre-Doctor incarnations since then as well . We've known since the 80s that those 8 faces didn't ever go by The Doctor, rather The Other , one of the 3 founders of Timelord society with Omega and Rassilontechteun. We've known since Ghost Monument that The Doctor was known as The Timeless Child before being known as The Other who was always rumored to be not entirely Gallifreyan and we've known since the 90s that The Doctor is half human. The First Doctor is still the first Doctor and the first Incarnation to steal a TARDIS and run away. Nothing has changed that , nor ever will. The Fugitive Doctor is quite clearly from Season 6b.1 after war games aka The Division Era , she's after The Second Doctor and the shocking reveal is she is before The Second Second Doctor of
Season 6b.2 aka The C I A era no longer works for beyond top secret non-existent covert Opps Division but just the regular celestial Intervention Agency unofficially publicly as we see in The Three/Five/Two Doctors
Agreed.
Anything that tries to make the Doctor something special, different to other Timelords (The Other, the Timeless Child, etc.) is dumb.
The Doctor should only ever be an average Timelord, not even the best in any field. It's what makes them so interesting - despite being nothing special, he decides to go out into the universe, explore it, and eventually start saving/improving lives.
@@markfernkopf5133 @Mark Fernkopf now, this is quite full of half truths, we know we saw the supposed faces of the doctor, we know he said he was half human, but that doesn't take into account that the doctor is a liar. We have no idea about anything with the fugitive other than her being supposedly the doctor. We know more about the timeless child than the fugitive, and people really really hate the timeless child, and wibbly wobbly, no more timeless child
@@randomshit308 the brain of Morbius was intended to , and did show the 8 preceeding faces to The First Doctor . It's what we see and what the writer's producers and directors intended.
The Cartmel Master Plan expanded on the pre-Doctor incarnations with the very plain implication that The Doctor was once The Other of the triumvirate of Rassilon and Omega . This was to be spelled out in detail in the 1990 serial Lungbarrow that eventually became a novel that filled in plot holes across the years and literally ended the very moment that the 1996 movie begins.
Ghost Monument and October 2018 basically shouted from the rooftops that the doctor was also once known as the Timeless child obviously before being known as the other okay fine that fits and I fully expected to see those eight pre-doctor faces the final eight faces of the other at the season finale That season because I was so excited they were bringing that fact back up but no it would be the next season that we finally saw those pre-doctor faces yet again.
The Timeless Children implies very subtlety I admit but implied nonetheless that The 7th Timeless Child grows up to be The First Other , we don't know if there are any Incarnations after him but before the final 8 incarnations of The Other whose faces we've known for decades . There could be zero there could be 75 there could be a million, I'm thinking most likely none , but in my own personal head canon that there is one Incarnation at least in that possible gap who went by the name of Rufus portrayed so beautifully by George Carlin , this head canon includes a pre Delgado Master as the antagonist in the 2nd film and Susan's mother is Rufus's daughter in the 3rd ... But that's just a personal fan theory I like so much I hope it's true lol
As for The Fugitive Doctor , beyond any and all reasonable doubt, 100 percentage certainty she is from Season 6b aka The Division Era . Dozens of facts point unilaterally at this fact . Nothing suggests otherwise . It contradicts nothing filling in plotholes along the way . Her unique police box identical to Troughton and Pertwee only is a huge sign . The Fugitive Doctor knowing the Sonic Screwdriver by its name only and not by the look of , sound of , or functions witnessed of 13's sonic, Troughton level screwdriver knowledge, small plain cylindrical silver fountain pen the sounds very different and only screws screws .... Now that she has seen what it will evolve into she will tinker and it's next seen in season 7 in pertwees hands larger colorful flamboyant moving parts functioning as a remote door opener. The fact that Pertwee was the first to use venusian akido and we are shown and told that vanusian akido is standard division training. We know the character used to have unlimited Regenerations and we know The First Doctor and The Second Doctor had but the one human heart each and by the time The Doctor has become Pertwee, he has two. The Doctor's fundamental biology was completley changed between Troughton and Pertwee. We see the young Fugitive Doctor being recruited into The Division shortly after her Regeneration at the end of The War Games in The Timeless Children. We also see, Through the Brendan perception filter, the recaptured Fugitive Doctor retired from The Division having the memories of the entire Regeneration that worked for the division erased via Chameleon Arch simultaneously rewriting her DNA into being a regular full blooded two-hearted 12 regeneration limited Gallifreyan Time Lord, triggering her now first of 12 regenerations controlled by the Timelords to hide everything by making the new face the same as the one worn immediately previously albeit a bit older The Second Second Doctor of Season 6b.2 as seen in The Three Five Two Doctors
River wiped the Doctor’s memory in the Big Finish stories
she did, some of them were quite hilarious, especially 7ths
I like to think that the Dream Lord from season 5 (Matt Smith's first season) could be a glimpse into the valeyard, since he was a psychic projection of the darkest aspects of the doctor. It'd be awesome to see Toby Jones return as the Valeyard, and not just the Dream Lord.
Honestly the timeless child thing just gives off a vibe of fan fiction
Chibnall just showing how bonkers he is.
@@owenshebbeare2999 pretty much? 😂
There was plan in the John Nathan turner time of the classic era called the cardinal master plan that has been talked about over time during the modern era and it feels more like chris chibnall did a version of it as the timeless child cause he is a fan of the classic era of the and it’s apparent in the tone of is time as show runner
It was something Chibnall had thought of since he was a kid, so it was fanfiction until he took over
Except the Same idea was thought up all the way back into the classic area.
I think the Doctor is the Doctor. One day, the Doctor will regenerate into a child and put themself on that planet and wait to be found. They were never born and will never die. They are a bootstrap paradox.
The beginning, the end it´s all a bit of wibbly wobly... you got it, good sir
Could be
No. 1 Unanswered Question of doctor who, why didn’t Capaldi get more seasons as the doctor?
Because Russell and Julie made him crazy. He hated working with them.
@@eshbenano that’s Christopher E. Capaldi thought his story was told.
Do ‘top ten best cliffhangers of classic who’ do that I would love it
Number 1, the first regeneration
@@Mr11ryan a huge contender would be Caves of Andrazoni part 3 , "you're not gonna stop me now !!"
And another the very end of Season 6 .....
That one having become recently extremely relevant ...... :)
But yeah , that's a video I want to see like now !!
Or why limit it to classic who
Top 10 cliffhangers ever ! Outta all 39 seasons!! 💙💙
#1 should be from the end of Dragonfire part 1...as it’s a literal cliffhanger...
Major disappointment if Death to the Daleks part 3 don’t make it then (mostly joking)
I think River wipes his memory or goes by a different identity so she doesn't mess up the timeline and so he doesn't recognise her until Silence in the Library
Still doesn't make sense given her reaction to 10 stating it's the youngest she's ever seen him and her reaction when he's says he doesn't know her
@@connorwood9211 we dont what order she met the earlier incarnations in
Connor Wood she’s probably lying to keep the timelines in place
@@connorwood9211 yeah definitely doesn't make sense, but it COULD be explained away by River meaning it's the youngest she's ever seen that specific incarnation
Master: Delgado Master is his 12th incarnation with the 13th being the corpse
River: She uses a specific memory virus to make him forget about her
What if the doctor is actually the last of the white gaurdians or has white gaurdian dna.
@@michaelwhitmire9015 is the doctor a guardian? Maybe, the white guardian? No only one white, one black, the balance of order and chaos. The celestial toy maker the very first doctor met was a guardian too, so there could be others
12 regenerations means 13 incarnations. You don't need to regenerate just to be born into your first.
No the Delgado and the Corpse version r both the 13th incarnation, and the following faces until Eric Roberts r the 13th inc, McQueen becoming the 14th.
@@homercannon No you're wrong. Delgado is the 12th incarnation and regenerates after facing Capaldi's Doctor in a comic story. The corpse Master becomes a corpse after the MacQueen Master burns him horrifically for pretty much no reason whatsoever
Also I’m pretty sure in big finish they say river usually just wipes the doctors memory of events with her before their first meet
I remember the good old days... When I was a WHO fan. Before the Dark times... Before the Chibnall.
Pretty much every time a mysterious female character appeared on the new series, there would be fans saying "She's the Rani".
It's Mephisto!
To be fair the Valeyard does have a bit of redemption on that planet, and it's a pretty good story to boot.
Definitely worth listening to the Big Finish Time War series
Romana was banished to a pocket dimension by Rassillon, to be the keeper of Time Lord history... Forced into being a librarian.
Leela and Narvin will get her out they have to they have to I love her
@@dawnsoisson3140 I don't know if I want to know what happens to her ultimately. Personally I'd find it tragic if she doesn't make it out of the war alive, which would ultimately make the Time War more consequential.
Sean you are so awesome for mentioning The Rani who I still feel was never given enough time
So, the thing about the Rani. When Tony Ainley was the Master, he had a contract that stipulated that they had to use him at least once a season and pay him a certain amount. The BBC did not like having to pay him that much. So... they created the Rani with the intention that she would replace the Master as the Doctor's nemesis. Thing is, she wasn't nearly as popular as the Master was. So, Tony won in the end. XD
All the Doctor Who episodes come from different alternate universes, each with slightly different histories. The Doctor *does not know this* and hops from universe to universe each time they time travel thinking he/she knows What Should Be, but when they leave, it all reverts back to what was before.
That's how different Doctors, Masters, and even the Time Lord species have different histories and seem to forget different things or to know things they can't possibly know. They're different Doctors with different memories.
There can be no resolution.
Also, in "The Silver Nemesis," the noblewoman with a nose for secrets revealed that the Doctor is not a Time Lord. That ended with Ace asking the Doctor "who are you?"
Ah, the Cartmell plan. So much better than the Chibnall plan. :)
The Doctor is a time lord that ran away from his home planet. That's all
The doctor doesn’t come from that planet he comes from a different universe
@@hexagongamingyt204 dude no. Just no. The doctor is a time lord
River could easily have met Doctor 10 after Donna and before regeneration. He spent some time on his own.
Good Point, that works
I was so sure Missy was the Rani up until it was revealed she was the Master
Master's Biography is available at fandom wiki, the way He/She survived a lot, also there was a offscreen regeneration between missy and spymaster that wanted Master to be good
Would be a very interesting flip if Romana came back regenerated as a man while the Doctor is a woman. Possible doorway to get those bigger name actors we want for a Doctor reincarnation into the show without trying to lock them down for a full time role. Maybe for a special or 2 parter
THANK you! Such a good moment where the Doctor doesn’t know who River is, but I’m not even good at recognizing timeline mistakes and plot holes, and this made zero sense. Everyone I’ve heard try to explain it sounds like they grasping at straws to say “No, no. It totally can make sense….if you twist around the rules like a pretzel to make the error work!” It simply doesn’t. Great great great great episode, beautiful scene, so I can overlook it. Just stop trying to back into an explanation to try and justify it, and admit, that that particular story thread wasn’t thought through all the way. That’s as bad a people who believe Lucas knew Luke and Leia were brother and sister all along. He didn’t. And that’s ok!
There is no Widdles and Chibbles era Doctor, That is a mystery in itself how a collection of people think it even exists.
I've just caught up on the show and there's two more unexplained and incredibly confusing things. 1 is that the master has been confirmed dead once (missy) and put in a position with no chance of survival (Oh). So let's assume given their personalities Oh predates Missy, how would it even have been possible for him to survive? 2 is that despite the fact the Jadoon have had numerous encounters with The Doctor how was it only just mentioned that The Doctor is a wanted criminal especially since the crimes were seemingly committed many regenerations ago? Not to mention what the crimes were?
Good points with the Master. But he could still be after Missy, despite it messes her redemption arch. Even if Missy couldn't regenerate, someone could still find her body and you know, resurrect her, forcing to regenerate into the latest one. That someone could be Rassilon, for all we know, he's not on Gallifrey anymore, the 12th Doctor exiled him, so a way to plan his revenge, maybe? Resurrect the Master (Missy) and send them after the Doctor in a new regeneration. Or something completely different might be going on there. I really don't know. But Dhawan's Master could be between Simm and Gomez as well. Who knows, who nose?
With the Judoon, well, maybe someone hired them, someone, who puts all those charges on the Doctor. What do we know?
River wiped the Doctors memory in the Big Finish audios.
Could the meta-crisis doctor actually be the valeyard? Technically the meta-crisis doctor is the 12th regeneration and the valeyard is suppose to come about between the Doctor's 12th and final regeneration. In a roundabout way, the meta-crisis doctor is all the regeneration between the 12th and final one. We also know from the series how David Tennent's Doctor can 'go too far' and that Matt Smith's Doctor can't just live a normal life ie the cubes. There's also the fact that the technology exists to turn a time Lord into a human. So who's to say that the meta-crisis doctor didn't at some point change himself to a Time Lord, he's smart enough to do it or what if on his death bed, he regenerates anyway and with rose gone, he goes even bound Time Lord Victorious, believing himself to be a God. Plus there's that deleted scene where the meta-crisis doctor and rose are given the ability to grow their own TARDIS, who's to say he didn't use it to return to our universe. So many possibilities......
A continuation of this which could be taken into the series and re-introduce the Valeyard, is they know the truth about themselves being the timeless child. Now I know this has divide the fans but I'm going with it because it's a thing. What if the Valeyard is re-introduced after he's regenerated several times since the meta-crisis doctor so he knows the truth about himself. We don't actually know if Matt Smith's Doctor would have regenerated or not without the Time Lord's help, maybe they only pretend to help him so he didn't discover the truth or maybe the Time Lords genuinely thought they were helping as only a few actually knew the truth. Don't forget, Matt Smith's Doctor wasn't on his death bed, he was just old when he regenerated and from the looks of it, he regenerated to get the advantage. So in series 13, The Doctor is trying to find answers and the Valeyard already has the answers. This would also mean, the Valeyard in the original run always knew The Doctor was not a Time Lord. It would also be quite interesting to see what made the Valeyard go back and prosecute the sixth doctor. Was it out of hatred? Was it to make sure timeliness were restored? Was the Valeyard actually doing the right thing to preserve the past? Again so many possibilities, especially as The Doctor as been interacting with her past recently.
In some of the audios Romana is the timelord president at the start of the timewar before they bring Rasilon back, I can't remember which audios that is from.
Sorry for any spelling errors.
all the way back to 2003 Zegrus (the 40th anniversary story) and 6seasons - at the moment 24 stories- of Gallifrey
@@julieeverett7442 thanks
No it’s not zagreus that’s her first appearance it’s the apocalypse element but she continues through most of the Gallifrey series. Zagreus is the first time she meets Leela though
One unanswered question from "The Eleventh Hour" - how do you know it's a duck pond if there have never been any ducks in it?
Various script writers did not always follow the time lines and history created by previous writers, so inconsistencies have multiplied. In the past couple of years, great gobs of history have been trashed, pretty much making any logical time line impossible. I've given up trying to make sense of it all and haven't watched the show recently.
The timeless children should have never been a mystery as it should have never been written into the show.
Nope. It really is a good idea. You just can’t accept it for some stupid reason.
@@DrWhoFanJ it's an awful idea. To us the Doctor is amazing. But to the time Lords, he was always a menace, renegade. On his home planet he's nothing, always has been. That's more interesting than him being the most important time lord ever.
It ruins the character.
@@vikingr246 And who said any of that prior backstory had been erased? 🤷♂️
If everyone forgets something happened, then, to all intents and purposes, it didn’t.
Now please just stop commenting such utter nonsense, and learn how to appreciate the show like a rational human being again.
Failing that, just accept it’s not for you, and let those of us who can do so do so in peace!
@@DrWhoFanJ I love this show more than anything.
I want it to continue, but Chris Chibnall has ruined it and he needs to be replaced.
The timeless child idea is bad from a story telling perspective as it places the main character in a position where he's no longer relatable in anyway.
He's some kind of God now.
He's not a renegade, he's not a lacky who wished for something more, he is the founder of his entire race. It's just bad storytelling.
@@vikingr246 You love it more than anything, yet fail to understand so many of its core messages at once? Hmmmmm… 🤔🤷♂️
And, no, Chris Chibnall has not destroyed anything of importance whatsoever. So he’s destroyed the love you professed you had for the show? Tough! It was clearly based on a false premise if this could destroy it, so…
So incorrect it’s scarcely believable. It’s very good from a storytelling perspective for what must be the simplest reason ever: It makes so many new stories possible that would simply never have been available otherwise. In what universe is that even remotely a bad thing‽ 🤷♂️
(And stop calling her a “he”!)
Oh, so a time-travelling alien being who can change form when they die, can travel across the Universe in a few seconds, and can meet anyone from the past or the future was perfectly relatable, but suddenly adding one small thing (that isn’t even necessarily true)? Oh, no, that’s taking it too far!
You see how stupid you sound now?
Kindly be sensible and wait until we’ve received enough information about the new revelation(s) before creating such a conclusive judgment on it!
The memories thing could be the same as when a past doctor meets a present doctor. The present doctor will be the only one who retains the memories of the event due to timey wimey stuff. So like with the war doc, 10 and 11 meeting only 11 actually remembers the event but only remembers stuff as it plays out before him. He gains all 3 perspectives at the same time. So if he is present when River meets the other doctors then they won't remember since only the current doctor would retain the memories.
For #6 my best guess is the doctor spoiled river on some facts about their first meeting during their final "night" with each other. Saying something along the lines of, "endings aren't always fixed. You'll be seeing me again in the library." Giving her the screwdriver then. This would be a bit of a lie as it would make it sound like the doctor would be going to save her and keep it from being their last visit, but not tip off it's their first time they've met.
Ashildr was not technically killed by the Mire. She died while being linked to a device that projected images to frighten the Mire. Her death was an unexpected consequence of the process.
I am still not convinced that the Doctor is “a” or “the” timeless child. Obviously, the master can be lying. It doesn’t mean that she isn’t special, just that I’m willing to wait and see.
thank you that makes far more sense
Yeah, I don't trust what the master says.
Say, the master finds out he's adopted, and can't handle that, so instead tells his least favourite sibling that THEY'RE the one who was adopted. 🤷♀️
Or like those brothers (in journey to the centre of the TARDIS) who told their youngest sibling that he was a cyborg.
@@lexwithbub Not a cyborg, they mocked him for being android, which he wasn't, because he only had some implants after an accident, doesn't that make him cyborg?
Anyway I wonder, how people fail to remember (or is it just a case of not accepting?) the Ghost Monument episode, where the Timeless Child actually began. The first mention, that the Doctor indeed is the Timeless Child, comes from the Remnants (the murder blankets of death), who explicitly called the Doctor by that name. The Master is a well known liar, but we know that information from two separate sources now.
I have always thought they need to bring back the Rani somehow - it was a good character and maybe the Missy character had some of those traits (and yes Missy was the master) - hopefully they can do something new to reincorporate the Rani back
The Rani came back in Big Finish.
it would be a somewhat dark but settling cannon if the final last reg of the master fought in the last time war, but then the 9th doctors tone helps the tone to the story after a re watch
So, the Master 'died' in the Eye of Harmony in the Doctor's TARDIS during the movie. The Time Lords (he says this at the end of time) brought him back to live and gave him a full set of regenerations so he could fight in the Time War. We don't know how many regenerations he went through during the Time War though.
It's bad for cannons to settle. They start to rust if they're not maintained regularly.
What if the master throws the doctor into the timestream (unprotected) causing the Doctor to regenerate in a extreme way. Turning her into a child and turning her into the timeless child. If the current Master is a regeneration before Missy, then Missy could have known the Doctor as a little girl. (also fixing a lot of continuity holes in the story)
or the master is plain lying and THEY are the time less child, and had gone mad by the experimentation and looking in the schism (and is jealous of the doctor because HE is what the master wished they could be)
@@julieeverett7442 Also a nice idea but how woukd Ruth fit in there?
@@krypotico I think Ruth is a clone of the 2nd doctor
1 her TARDIS is a police box. It is known it took that shape when first stayed in London then the chamelon circuit broke and held that shape
2 she doesnt know about the sonic screwdriver. We first saw the sonic about half way through 2nds run and he used it VERY rarely, so if she was created early in his time she wouldnt have seen it
3 there is a large fan base for a mysterious season 6b where 2nd did work for the Time Lords before he regenerated, and there IS on screen, in canon, hints this may be true. Hint 1 we never actually saw 2nd regenerate (the only doctor in who history to NOT have an actual regeneration)
Hint 2 go watch the beginning of the two doctors from 1984. We have a much older 2nd and Jamie travelling together in a different TARDIS with a remote control in the console (some would argue that the actors are 18 years older. it happens. Yes it does, but Pat was in the 5 doctors the year before and coloured his hair black and did not look that different to when he was in the show. This time he WANTED to look his age - or didnt want to dye his hair or wear a wig again) so the Time Lords could control where he went
4 My personal veiw, if the doctor isnt having a psychotic break after how vicious his regeneration was, they've fallen into an alternate universe and Ruth is THIS universes doctor. Chibby says she not not an alternate universe doctor, but if this is a paralell world of course shes not!
@@julieeverett7442 Well thought out. I love it.
And I have to agree. It fits. Although I also believe my theory fits, only time will tell if the writers agree.
@@krypotico Nice to know, and I do agree the current master is before Missy, note that we never saw the Simms master or Missy regenerate. I always thought she was the last incarnation of this cycle. I have been disabused of this fact, so ok, a much later one
If the (DOCTOR WHO) series gets rebooted again someday; I hope these stories are put into it, and I want each of the mysteries of the stories get solved.
I’d love for Clive Owen to play The Master impersonating someone else. Owen as an actor and The Master as a character have a great mischievous smile that comes on when their character’s plan comes together and I’d love to see an eerie marriage of the two.
I think the Time lords and the Darleks where the ones who started the war and the ones who ended it other races took part in it but where soon destroyed
*daleks
I love those darleks
The Mystery with River is not how she recognizes him, as she states in one episode, that she has a record of all his faces. So of course she would know that face. The bigger mistery is, how she would not know that she meets the Doctor BEFORE his 11th or 12th incarnation, since she just met the 12th one and must know, that this face belongs to the one before she had the adventure on the Byzantium etc.
She keeps track of the faces, but not necessarily of their exact order. Basically she knows a face being the Doctor, but not exactly which regeneration of him. They've met in the reverse order, yes, but I think it still was kinda randomness in there. As she might have hopped from earlier 11th to a later 11th during their times together and then back to earlier version of 11th again. It really depends on situations. The ship, that crash lands on Darillium, she meets 12th for the first (and last) time there, when she goes to the Library, which is just after spending 24 years long night with 12th, she sends the Doctor a message to meet her there. But to which regeneration did she send it? Obviously 10th received it (told Donna, it's the reason, why they're there), but River said to her team members, that she was supposed to meet another Doctor, 10th wasn't "her" Doctor. So she sent it either to 12th (whom she just left), or to 11th (most likely).
i would also love to see a wee horror incarnation (valeyard) depp style
I also just remembered this, the only few people who know the doctor's last name is river song, his/her mother and father as well, but we don't know what the doctor's real first name is either so it raises the question, what is the doctors real first and last name because the doctor always went by doctor who and not by his/hers real name before, the only people like I said before is river, and his/her parents, and we don't know how many names the doctors goes by either, because of how many names the doctor shown people over the years and they believed it, so it rises more and more questions about the doctor that we don't know than we do know, we also don't know if the doctor had a Tardis before the one he/she has now, because we don't know who his/ hers parents are and we don't know what gender the doctor is or the name of the doctor yet and also the age of the doctor either, so if anyone wants to help me out and try and understand anything, be my guessed, but you might be like me and get really stumped because everything i just said is true like how did river and the doctor meet and end up getting married or how did the war happen or even how did his/ hers parents die, we don't know at this point.
OK, in replying to these:
10. The Master has had about 20 regenerations throughout the whole franchise: his Roger Delgado incarnation was his 13th incarnation, then there was when he killed both Nyssa's Dad Tremas (played by Anthony Ainley) and the paramedic Bruce (played by Eric Roberts) so that he could have bodies to inhabit, the Eighth Doctor encountered another version of him in some comic and also the one played by Alex McQueen, soon after was the child version encountered by the War Doctor and after him were his War/Yana (played by Derek Jacobi), "Harold Saxon" (John Simm), "Missy" (played by Michelle Gomez) and "O" incarnations (Sacha Dhawan).
9. The Rani? What about the other Time Lords? Also, the Rani has been quite a popular character of returning to the show and several Revived Series characters including Rose, Donna, Lucy Saxon (ironic, since the Rani's first appearance had her alongside the Master) and Missy were thought of as being her (the latter being also ironic because it was teased that Missy was actually the Rani).
8. Anyone else remember Eve, the red-skinned young alien girl from The Sarah Jane Adventures story The Mad Old Woman In the Attic and how she indirectly mentioned that her race were caught up in the Time War? Also, off-screen stories have said the Time Lords and the Daleks had allies during the Time War; the Time Lords had Ophelia and the Sisterhood of Karn while the Daleks had giant, ferocious creatures.
7. I think maybe Swift just lived out his normal, mortal life since the resurrection energy got used up.
6. River has actually met EVERY incarnation of the Doctor 1-12 (even the War Doctor) and even once stated in a game her opinions of them. The audio stories also had her meeting the Fifth Doctor, but she wiped his and his other incarnations' memories following them.
5. The first time the Doctor's age was revealed was in the Second Doctor story The Tomb of the Cybermen at 450. However, it's all a bit of a blur with the Seventh Doctor saying in Time and the Rani that he was 953 while the Ninth, Tenth and Eleventh Doctors were all in their early 900s.
4. If you recall, Romana (her name is pronounced "Ro-ma-na-da-vat-ra-lun-dar") was with the Doctor for almost 3 seasons (one in her first incarnation, almost 2 in her third).
3. As stated, the Valeyard fought in the Time War in some off-screen story where he was last seen in a last stand fighting against the Daleks while believing himself to be the Doctor.
2. I always took it that the Doctor and the Master just went down separate paths because of their different moralities, but they still cared for each other and couldn't kill the other because of it.
1. In Hell Bent, Ashildr thought about the possibility that the Doctor was the Hybrid since he's half-human. However, there are thoughts that the Doctor might have just made up that fact.
5 2nd 450
4th 748- about 800
6th 900
7th 956 at the beginning of his incarnation
8th lost his memory and started again, although in sherzo he says he about 1000 years old and spends 600 years on a planet called orbis so anywhere between 1600 and 2000 years old
the war doctor broke the promise and did not regard himself as the doctor and started again. And he clearly stated in day of the doctor that he was 800 years old.
The modern day count comes from the war doctor, 9th had about 100 years, either before he met Rose, or when he left and then came back, so he SAID he was 900, but 2500/2600 would actually be closer
4 Romana 1was assigned by the white guardian to help the doctor find the key to time and travelled with him for that season Romana 2 was a copy of Princess Astra and travelled for 2 seasons (minus 2nstories) then stayed in Espace as she did NOT want to go back to Gallifrey
I like to think the current doctor and all her arcs are just one bad dream and one day a new doctor is gonna wake up and be like "well, that was weird.... right! back to work!"
Jack Has an Expiry date, Face Of Boe that is,
Ashildir Doesnt,
And the question is: HOW does Jack become Face of Boe?
@@MoskHotel he basicly starts to get old but not in a regular way and more in a weird way aka the way he became face of boe,
River mentions Darillium in the Library though.
I wonder how many of these are answered by big finish, let's see?
How many incarnations that the master had depends on how you count it. Missy is the 18th, the first master has encountered the 1st doctor, the 3rd encounters the 12th, the 4th encounters the 13th, that incarnation is who we see throughout classic who, then there's the big finish master, who regenerations into the two war doctors, the 15th being the child and then the 16th being the master we meet in utopia, then John simm is the 17th and missy is the 18th, making the O master the 19th if they are in order. 19 incarnations of which we know of the 1st, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th and 19th. We are missing 10 of them.
It would be cool for the rani to show up in the time war, it would make sense for them to use her in the war.
As for the other sides of the time war, those have been answered in engines of war and the time war and galifrey series.
Hasn't river met the 10th doctor in the big finish audio.
If we only count from the 1st doctor and don't count the confession dial, the doctor is at least 3000 years old, this can be worked out by following the doctors age in the classic era where it goes over 1000, then resting it in the time war to 0 because they are no longer the doctor and then counting the doctors age to the 12th doctor.
I'd live to see romarna again. I can see her and some timelords surviving due to being off world scouting the post time war universe.
I'd like to see the valeyard returning, although I still think that we have seen them and they are the meta crisis doctor.
So a god number of these are answered just not directly.
The current master I think happens to be the one before missy
*My biggest question is* when the Doctor calls his companion while he's in a different point in time, how does the call choose when to activate for the receiver? For example, if the Doctor is in 1939 and calls his companion to ask how it's going who we see is in the present day, how does the call choose when to ring? The call was made about 80 years ago so why does the phone line connect with the companion at that specific time? The only thing that connects these moments is OUR PERSPECTIVE of them but we are usually irrelevant in the story so that's what my big question is.
There's probably some kind of "internal relative time" in place. If you and The Doctor are off on some adventure, but The Doctor has to travel either to the distant past or distant future for some reason, but agrees to call you "in one hour". Regardless of what time period each of you are in, the "one hour later" is still one hour later, relative to both of you.
Maybe the TARDIS does manage it. She actually did it on screen (well it was explained on screen by River, who received a call from Churchill).
I think the Sisters of Karn have a bigger input in the Doctor's origins than we've been lead to know. It's highly possible they assisted Tecteun and the creation of Gallifreyans...their interest in the Doctor reeks of executives concerned about their investment in a company being mismanaged by buffoons.
The Doctor is a time lord from Galifrey in another universe
A whole predestination paradox ish
If so, the writers could play on the parallel universe, if there can be 2 versions of earth like in I think Age of Steel 10th doctor, why not 2 versions of gallifrey?
I hoe the Timeless Child thing gets retconned. It basically makes the Doctor the most important being in the universe, and that's so... NOT the Doctor. I wish they'd at least made the Timeless Child someone else.
Lol basically everyone and their dog were thinking of the Doctor during the Year that never was. Talking about the most important being in the universe being so ... NOT the Doctor. Basically a space Jesus. And that's not only that episode. The Doctor always was special or important. Timeless Child didn't change that. Being an abused child experiment doesn't make you important whatsoever. Being a victim doesn't make you special in no way. The child wasn't a space Jesus, building the Time Lord society around itself, the experiments did it.
Now depending who you go with.....Big Finish or the BBC. Geoffrey Beeves Master was resurrected by the Time Lords given a new cycle of regenerations where he regenerated into Alex McQueen's War Master then Derek Jacobi's War Master
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Not sure if true, but I heard that the Rani isn’t in the show due to right issues with rights then Bakers
Could be made up tho tbh, do kinda wish they do return
Wait - if the Valeyard played a significant role in the Time War, how do you explain The War Doctor, who existed at the exact same time?
Wow! Imagine if the "War Doctor" was actually the Valeyard instead. That would have actually made a lot of sense.
That would have been a twist
Never ever seen two or more incarnations of the Doctor, or the Master at once? Those do happen, in Big Finish even more frequently, than you'd think. The Valeyard could come from the future to "help" in the time War, or whatever, while the War Doctor was the actual proper regeneration of the Doctor during the war. Quite easy explanation, if you think of the show as a time traveling sci-fi. Maybe that's a strange concept for you, guys. I don't know.
Anyone else notice that around 0:38 The Master has an emblem of The Death Star on his chest?
Its more detailed than the Rebel's death star plans
@@WheresTheBandwagon 🤣🤣🤣 AGREED!
Impressive foresight for a film that wouldn’t show up for another 4 years too
@@KillerMeme exactly! I was sort of laughing to myself and thinking that George Lucas wasn't so much of a visionary as he was a thief!🤣. Not really of course, but I find these different little coincidences over the years, of things that seem very Star Wars-ish, but came out before Star Wars. One example in in a sci-fi book from the 60s titled "The Cosmic Computer," it mentions a planet called Hoth.
Haha. That’s something this is special about Doctor Who. That it has inspired pretty much all of Sci Fi pop culture.
I always think of Bossk’s suit in Empire. It is just an outfit that someone wore in Dr Who that they just used
One question not been asked yet is if the doctor was from another reality (timeless child) and the galefryans took the regeneration from the doctor then did they also change their DNA to be the same being as the doctor or where the two species the same for the regeneration to work?
Considering 11 was on his 12th (or was it 13th?) and "final" Regeneration, but was "gifted a new set by the Timelords" shouldn't the Master have their final death soon? Like seriously, no way the Timelords "gift" them another set, right? Especially since they're now dead again? Idk, maybe since The Master can clearly just "somehow" wipe out Gallifrey completely, like how Palpatine can "somehow" return... maybe they also "somehow" stole the tech that gifts Timelords new Regeneration sets? Ugh.
I have a question if anyone can help me figure out. In the episode Blink when Sally was watching The Doctor explaining about the weeping angels and how him and Martha was stuck in the past, at the end of the episode it shows different weeping angels and his last few words don't blink, and good luck. The video then does a closeup of his eye blinking. Was it ever explained how he and Martha traveled to the past without the Tardis? I was just watching the episode while I was watching this video. He may have answered at one point he got there, and I just might be having a moment of forgetfulness. I hope my question is understandable and someone can help me.
When Billy Shipton arrived in the past, the Doctor tells him: "you've been sent back in time by an Angel, probably the same as us, judging by the year" Or something like that. So the Doctor and Martha were surprised by an Angel, who sent them back in time, stuck there without the TARDIS.
In regards to #10:
Could it be a case similar to river/the doctor, how they often found each other, one at the end of their time and the other at the beginning?
Why does the doctor have 2 hearts if he's no from galafray????
Use your imagination. Or use the actual piece of information from the show itself instead. Maybe the two heart was a thing of the child, maybe the Galafrayans (it's spelled Gallifrey) didn't have two hearts at first, maybe they altered themselves using the child as a template. I don't know, I may be wrong (something tells me, I'm not).
To be fair, all the directors were massive fans of the show... So isn't all of doctor who just fan fiction?
Would you like a jelly baby?
There's only one mystery that I've set to see acknowledged: Why'd they abandon the 12 regenerations rule?
Easier to carry on show :)
And how River born as a Time Lord, if Time Lords exist because of the Doctor
That's a very good question and the answer to it could very well be the answer to the timeless child.
Madame Gavarian used the same recipe that Tecteun aka Rassilon used to cook themselves up some regenerating Timelords. Only difference is The Timeless Child had one human parent , a father from the far distant future perhaps Wilfred Mott or capt jack or Coshamas who knows and her Gallifreyan Shabogon Spacelord Commander Rassilontechteun whereas melody pond had the two human parents still human dna plus lots of en utero space time vortex radiation exposure.... That Untempered schism Rassilontechteun discovered and studied for years on end certaintly would have provided plenty of that.! Thanks to River Song , we know the recipe for cooking up a Regenerating Timelord ... Obviously Rassilontechteun used the same recipe but had no qualms experimenting upon herself nor her offspring... Anything it took , her life had become obsessed with regaing the immortality she was born with and robbed of by the Katurah with the rest of the life forms in the universe in the early dark times.
RE Why does River recognize Ten, she says elsewhere that she has photographs. The Doctor gave them to her specifically for this purpose--he, of course, knew the necessity. If I figure out which episode it is, I'll update this.
Got an Idea! If the timeless child really is canon and gave something of hers to the Gallifreyan why not combine this with the story of the Beast. Something like despite now knowing his own origin and what they did to him he had to give them some of his power in order to trap the beast the 10th will later defeat?
The Doctor and The Master are not enemies. It's just The Master is so evil and he knows The Doctor will get in the way of his plans
the time war was pretty much every group in the universe given that it included all of time for example the shadow proclamation formed from the races that fought on the side of the timelords and was ment to insure something like that never happened again by maintaining order and watching the timeline for changes many other races fought on the dalek side one thing to note that most of the races that end up enemies in the show were infact allies of the timelords during the war but after it having lost everything and having no way to fix it due to the loss of the timelords they wanted payback
Oh god if they dont wrap up the timeless child thing in the next series or sweep it under the rug or something i afraid i may have to call it time on doctor who. Forgive the pun it was unintentional 😄
Yeah, Timeless Child was probably an elaborate lie The Master told to screw up The Doctor. There’s absolutely nothing in canon that would back it up and The Master is kindof untrustworthy. I mean, if we had foreshadowing going back a few seasons or even a few doctors, I might accept it, but it really felt out of place.
Don’t know why I’m rambling about the Timeless Child... It just gets under my skin every time I hear it mentioned. Something this big needed foreshadowing and buildup if it’s true. Personally, I’m going to go forward thinking it’s a big lie even if The Doctor is dumb enough to believe it.
Yeah I think it could be like when a kid tells their sibling that they're adopted just to mess with them 😂
The Timeless Child is mentioned first by the Remnants (murder blankets of death) in the Ghost Monument episode. I know, it's easy to miss. They specifically call the Doctor by that name, telling her, that they see what's hidden, even from her. The Master is a liar, but for once could actually tell the truth. More so, if it comes from two separate sources (the Master & the Remnants).
Also how would you explain Ruth then? She is a regeneration of the Doctor, Chibnall said, she's not a clone, nor a fake, or even alternate reality, she's the Doctor from our main timeline. If the Master was the Timeless Child, then Ruth would be his incarnation, not the Doctor's. And honestly Ruth doesn't look like a liar. When she said, she is the Doctor, I believed her (we can safely add it to the two separate sources as an indirect evidence as well).
I hope we get more time lord stories
They can still explain away the Timeless Child crap maybe she was someone else and not the Doctor? Maybe she was actually The Mahster?
The biggest mystery is how did Mickey end up with Martha
I'm going to sound obsessed but HERE WE GO!
1) Child/Teenage/Transphobe Master
2) Delgado (Much later on)
3) Healthy 13th/Crispy/Ainley/Tipple/Dribbly/Roberts
4) MacQueen
5) Child in Time War
6) Jacobi
7) Simm
8) Missy
9) Lumiat
10) Dhawan
We do not speak of the timeless child
We know that 8 started counting age again from 2 so The Doctor is probably about a thousand years older that they say.
Well in the husbands of river song she has pictures of each doctor 1
to 12 so she know what thay look like but i didn't think she had met all of them.
I would say 1st to 11th as she failed to recognize 12th, until that moment on the ship.
@@Croftice1 Well if you include the war doctor.
It's stated the Delgado Master was the 13th and final incarnation of The Master in Classic Who. The original on screen yes but not the original incarnation.
Bruh the master gave the doctor £5 for food and now they hate each other
HE DIDNT LIVE THROUGH ALL TIME IN THE DIAL
He kept dieing and a clone/rebuild of him with no memories of the time carried out. He only had the experience of a single time in the dial surely
Question what happen to the Doctor daughter Jenny?
Is she 8n The Doctor's Universe, or time line?
Well jenny actually married her dad but not her biological father has that was the fifth doctor :-p
I want to know more about The Terrible Zodin.
Roger Delgado looked like a tweaked Klingon from Trials and tribblations DS9.
It just dawned on me.... if the Doctor is an alien being to the planet of Gallifrey.....many do they have the same physiology? All Gallifreyans have two hearts and then a realitively human physiology, as does the Doctor!
Exactly that and many other reasons are why it just doesn’t work
Not paying attention, friends? In the Timeless Children episode (which the question addresses) it is shown/said, that the Shobokans (original Gallifreyans) ALTERED themselves, using the CHILD as a TEMPLATE. Their physiology might have been different at first, but they are the same race from that point on. How about paying attention, using logic and not asking stupid questions?
Maybe the doctor doesn't remember river song because of nicknames, etc.
Wait didn’t the master, when he was dying during the 4th doctors run, fuse with some other time lord to gain a new set of lives
No just fused some elder on another planet who I believe was one of the companions father
Believe he only had that one body, but the Timelords did offer him more regenerations in the Five Doctors
But then the master never likes to stay dead
Where are all the Time Traveling Time Lords? We know there are Tardises all over Gallifrey! So, there should be Time Lords travelling through all of time and space... Even if they all died during the Time War, their younger/past selves should be able to have adventures in the Doctor's present... EXAMPLE: A timelord that knows the First Doctor in 1963 travels to 2022 and encounters the Thirteenth Doctor on Planet X. Then travels to 2004 and dies while fighting alongside the War Doctor. The War Doctor then regenerates into the Ninth Doctor in 2005... While the Doctor may not be "ALONE" because the Master survived the Time War. That doesn't mean there are not others out there... The Doctor should still be able to have adventures with all those Time Travelling Time Lords. So where are they?...
One BIG question is why do they only look like humans and not look like any other aliens?
Humans look time lord!
Here's another mystery 4 ya how many companies has the doctor had? Because in the series, the 10th doctor had Rose, Martha, Donna, Wilfred, Jack, Micky, Jackie and Rose's father. But in the comics, there's Gabby Gonzalez 4 the 11th Alice Obiefune so anyone have an answer?
Captain Jack becomes the face of Boe. We already know this and the face of Boe dies, so Captain Jack’s not immortal.
To be honest I still ask where's the doctor's daughter
Rain was in the Adventures of Sara Jane. Teen girl with the same name.
Isn't the Valeyard incompatible with the Timeless Child? Like the idea of a 'final' regeneration doesnt exactly work with a character that in theory never runs out of regenerations not to mention why would the Valeyard want more regenerations if the timeless child again has infinite regeneration.
Do top 10 other incarnations of the doctor like the shalka doctor and the woman one who just got drunk all the time