River didn’t look into the 10th Doctor’s eyes and say he was actually young, she was saying he’s the youngest she’s ever seen him, having only know the 11th and 12th.
Regarding lying about his age. He can say he's 500, then step inside his Tardis, leave for five minutes, rematerialize, and then claim he's 1500 years old and be accurate. Time is not a straight progression. Given the warped travel path he takes through it, it's also entirely possible he's lost track.
Time Lords ruined their own world and society. Gallifrey, as a planet, was quite aesthetically beautiful. I don't blame the Doctor for wanting to remember the good bits about his homeworld, especially when he truly believed that it was gone forever.
I'd do the same if I'm in his place. I mean we as humans would also prefer spending less time talking about the dark histories of our country and try to spending more time remembering its old glories, because talking about dark histories of one's own country is never a pleasant experience.
#4 isn't fair on Rory's part. Rory was opening the door to let older Amy in when she interjected. She told him "If you love me, don't let me in". She sacrificed herself to give the years she would've spent with him back to her younger counterpart.
I have a hard time understanding why misunderstandings are categorized as "lies". I feel lies imply that someone knows they aren't telling the truth, and say something contradictory regardless.
@@jwb52z9 Being told by your mother that "The bread is in the freezer", and then telling your father after that the bread is in the freezer. Would you be lying? When it turns out the bread is actually in the pantry?... No. your logic is really concerning.
@@jwb52z9 The point I was trying to make is that lying is *deliberate* deception so you could say something false by accident with no bad intention and not technically be lying.
On number 9, The Doctor did actually come back to Sarah Jane Smith in the School Reunion episode, but only as the Tenth Doctor and he didn’t know Sarah Jane was in the school.
Not to mention he's had adventures where he's been aged and de-aged and for all we know some Doctor's might just be refering to the age of that current incarnation. The kid who took his pocketwatch in Family of blood said it best, "He's ancient and forever."
Regarding the Time Lords always being "good guys," we learn in "Mysterious Planet" (the first story of The Trial of a Time Lord, Sixth Doctor) that the Time Lords shift Earth 2 light years away, thus destroying a good chunk of life on Earth. In "The Stolen Earth" (Tenth Doctor), he mutters to himself how he'd only seen that happen one time before.... but at least in that story, the Daleks put a shield around Earth when they moved it to the Medusa Cascade. Granted, the Daleks didn't do it out of kindness -- they wanted lifeforms to experiment on (not sure why they had to be living organisms -- I'd think any baryonic matter would've sufficed).
It wasnt a short life span they were basically dying from a lack of energy to consume. Had he managed to stay undercover long enough they night have died off
I think The Doctor lies cos he doesn't want to reveal or give away too much about himself. Sylvester McCoy revealed in an interview that he wanted to make The Doctor more mysterious cos he felt too much had been revealed about The Doctor. The series is called Doctor Who and The Doctor is supposed to be an enigmatic character.
The doctor lives in the tardis and since it can move freely through time and space, it’s basically timeless inside. There are no days. What would they measure off? Earth days? Gallifray days? How would he know how long has really passed if he runs freely through time. Therefore how could be possibly know his age? And why do they attribute one to themself?
That is true how would you measure it as in the power of three when they enter the TARDIS again the doctor mentions that Brian has been inside for 3 days yet for him he clearly didn't think it has been that long so time must be a little different inside the tardis
I always wondered if types of measurements are translated by the Tardis as well. Like if Daleks mesure length in (x) and humans mesure it in meters, if a Dalek says something is 3(x)s long, it gets translated to it being 18 meters long. If humans measure their lifetime in years, Timelords measure their lifetime in (a). So if the Doctor says he is 40(a)s old, humans hear he is 900 years old. But Timelords have a completely different concept and understanding of time, so maybe it would be impossible to translate it accurately. And that might be why the doctors age doesn't make sense.
Concepts like days and years which are based off of the motion of planets certainly wouldn't translate, but the modern definition of a second is based off the radioactive period of a specific atom. You could certainly use a system like that to measure time inside the TARDIS.
Well, technically, the Doctor never really described the Time Lords as good. After all, he DID run away from them, with reason, and, if the First Doctor can be considered more a scholar than his later incarnations, it is very likely the Doctor is well aware that his own people are not the paragons of virtue and omnipotence they pretend to be. In The War Games, it is clear that the Doctor never truly trusted the Time Lords almost from the beginning. The Second Doctor felt forced to call them for help, and just hoped that he would just get away before they showed. His arguments justifying his own actions is very much an indictment against the Time Lords' NON-actions. But the Doctor is still beholden to them, as they proved when they exiled him to earth. Then, when we truly began seeing them more during the Third Doctor's exile, they had begun using him for their own dirty deeds (if you believe the Series 6B theory, the Time Lords have been doing this for a while now), and the Doctor justifiably resents this. Moreover, it makes the Time Lords more hypocritical as they continue to do this through future incarnations. Once the Doctor is freed from his exile, this doesn't stop the Time Lords from continuing to manipulate him. In the end, the Time Lords get plausible deniability - officially, they are NOT interfering and if something goes wrong, they can always condemn the Doctor for going rogue and claim no knowledge of his actions. Which, of course, is what happened during Trial of a Time Lord - the only reason the trial takes place at all is because the Doctor discovered a secret of the Time Lords, but doesn't quite realize this, and the Time Lords decide to punish the rebel and rogue for their OWN actions before he figures out the truth. So, when the Time Lords remanifested as villains during the new series, this is supposed to be a sudden shift in character, but it really isn't. It is just the culmination of what has been happening for years. Ask yourself: who REALLY started the Time War - the Daleks, not wanting to deal with the Time Lords' interference any more, or the Time Lords themselves, taking the opportunity to rid themselves of the Daleks once and for all. And, yet again, the Time Lords used the Doctor as cover for their OWN actions. No wonder he tried so hard to avoid getting involved. Staying out may have lead to BOTH enemies destroying themselves, and the universe would be better because of it. No, I don't think the Doctor lied about the Time Lords. The Second Doctor provided a simple explanation without going into detail, mostly because he anticipated being able to escape them, and then he wouldn't need to reveal his true opinions. But he did not escape, and he and his companions paid dearly for this. In the end, the Doctor has been the scapegoat of the Time Lords at least since he chose to leave Gallifrey. We also know that, in a way, the Master has been their pawn for far longer (The Sound of Drums, and, of course, The Timeless Children), and arguably has suffered even worse than the Doctor. The Time Lords are the TRUE villains of Doctor Who, and always HAVE been.
I don't know if I would go as far as the TRUE villains, but yeah they've never been the "good guys" like they claim to be. If you watch the Dalak episodes, and I've seen most if not all of them, it's obvious they're a threat due to their xenophobic drive to destroy non Dalek life, same with the cybermen's drive to upgrade everyone. The problem with the time lords are they always go to extremes; for awhile they refused to do anything, the Doctor and Davros have both mentioned things along the lines of the Timelords sitting in their towers just looking down on everyone but never interfereing, then when they finaling decided to do something they used the Master and Doctor like you said for plausible deniability. The Doctor knew them wellenough when he left that he would have known if it was just an act, so I think when he left they were on the extreme end of pacifist then they switch to the other extreme, likely because they felt threatened. But it's one of those things that vague enough that it's open to interpretation and debate, which I thing is good for the show to allow fans to debate and theorize. Bottom line no matter which of us is right the one thing that is definitely undebatable is everything the Timelords do is for their own saftly and appearence.
In all honesty, The Doctor is the one who likely lit the fuse that ignited the Timewar, when he tricked Davros into using the hand of omega to destroy skaro.
@@theomonty through out all of are lives we are different people and that's good because you got to change to keep moving as long you remember who you are. I will not forget one comment or subscribed account I will always remember when welsh shortbread was me
In "The Girl Who Waited" I thought the Doctor said by Rory choosing the younger Amy, the older one would cease to exist, because by taking the younger Amy this prevents her from going through all of that thereby causing that timeline to cease its existence.
my favorite clip of the Doctor was "Demons Run" “Madame Kovarian: The anger of a good man is not a problem. Good men have too many rules. The Doctor: Good men don't need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many.” The Doctor always tries so hard to be good, because it's easy to be bad, but he can prove it's possible to be good and win. "Live life the way it should be, to show people what it can be" I don't know where I got this line but it reminds me of this
The Family of Blood lie was hardly a big discredit to the Doctor - they thoroughly deserved it. But the lie he told in The Girl Who Waited - that really hurt. Even though it wasn't the Doctor's fault and he was doing all he could to fix things, shutting the Tardis door on Old Amy was a shock and a betrayal. One implicit lie not in this list - in Hell Bent, when he 'extracted' Clara and didn't tell her the neural block would wipe her memories. (And, of course, in the diner scene, one of them must be lying in pretending not to remember the other - we don't find out till the end which one it is. But that hardly counts as a lie).
The lie about Amy gets closer to you on an emotional level because it's easy to feel with the characters and with both sides of the story. But "The Family of Blood" still contained a much stronger message imho. Because he didn't want to punish them like that, he knows and feels that actually, no matter how evil someone might be: noone should ever be forced to suffer forever. He wanted to save them from that destiny, and save himself from being the one to execute it. And still he had to do it because they didn't leave him much of a choice, as otherwise they would have been a permanent, unkillable threat for more than only one world.
@@ananyabailey1057 I think I have to agree with you. Cosmically, Family of Blood is more significant than the continued existence of one will-never-have-existed facet of a character who will now have an alternative existence. Or whatever. But emotionally? After everything Old Amy has been through. Also, we expect the Doctor (or anyone) to lie to an enemy, especially an enemy who is the aggressor. Lying directly to a close friend, now, even if unavoidable, that puts a much sharper edge on it. But I'm not really disagreeing with you at all. :)
@@ananyabailey1057 That's a two edged knife. Sure he didn't want to be cruel and didn't want to punish the family of Blood at first, but he knew, that they would eventually die, if they didn't get him, so he hid from them and intended for them to die out. Like he had that knowledge and instead of saving the universe by being cruel to one clearly evil alien family, he chose to hide and endanger several people in a small willage, hoping, the family would loose track of him and die shortly. Was that a wise decision? That's the real question. But without it, we wouldn't have a two part episode about that evil alien family. Sooooooo ...
@@Croftice1 Hello there. Hmm I think it was a wise decision, when looking at it from the perspective of someone who has lived through a longer life span than any human being. People will always be in danger somewhere, and people will always die, without someone being able to save them all. But the thought of eternal suffering, without being able to die, that is the true horror. Trying to prevent such a destiny, even if it's your enemy, that is true strength in my opinion.
The Doctor has to the same thing as with Ace later with Amy to also break her fierce confidence in him in the episode The God Complex, to stop the monster.
10:08 there’s at least 3x The Doctor has pulled the fluid link trick 1. 1st Doctor on Skaaro 2. 12th Doctor in Oxygen 3. 13th Doctor in the DW: Wizard of Oz book
Just a reminder Wedding of River Song happened AFTER The Doctor’s Wife and in the former he spent 200 years travelling across the universe on a farewell tour.
Plus you could also argue they're not married because he was in a robot and the marriage happened in a condensed or collapsing timeline that was fixed and doesn't exist anymore.
But hang on a second, you claim (number 9) that The Doctor lied about coming back, but in fact HE DID RETURN & meet up with Sarah-Jane again so he DIDN'T LIE.Other than that, great video, keep it up.
Yeah. He met Sarah Jane again much later, but I think it was unintentionally. And at that moment when he first left he didn't mean to return, so technically it was a lie.
There was the time Sarah fell off the side of a cliffside road, and the Doctor happened to by driving by and rescued her. And the time she and the Doctor ran into each other near a London street market.
I always wondered if types of measurements are translated by the Tardis as well. Like if Daleks mesure length in (x) and humans mesure it in meters, if a Dalek says something is 3(x)s long, it gets translated to it being 18 meters long. If humans measure their lifetime in years, Timelords measure their lifetime in (a). So if the Doctor says he is 40(a)s old, humans hear he is 900 years old. But Timelords have a completely different concept and understanding of time, so maybe it would be impossible to translate it accurately. And that might be why the doctors age doesn't make sense.
Daleks measure time in Rels (or Rells, not sure). Some Doctor regenerations even quip about it, latest would be Doctor No. #13 "Now I must remember, how much is a rel?" after the Dalek used it in a previous scene. And this shows, that the TARDIS actually doesn't translate between rels and seconds, minutes, hours, or whatever. Also it was used in several other episodes, like the Journey's End, The Daleks in Manhattan and so on.
My thing about the age - how long is a year in time lord years? One time lord year could be 50 earth years. The doctor may never be lying, just changing years based on different planetary systems
That was my first theory. After he thought Gallifrey had been destroyed he started going by Earth years, the age debate first started when Eccleson or Tennant said 900 something after McCoy had said 1000 something.
Now like, maybe thousands more years old - given he only lives a day, at a time, @Gronk Games ? Hard to say. Plus, it may have been a simulation, inside the Dial - I've never been fully sure.
He is 2 or 3 days old at the end of the episode. All his previous clones dies at 2 or 3 days old. The original Doctor died old in the tower, but he is very dead indeed.
@@milicapajic9131 she said its been a rough couple of decades to Jack, and he took 19 years to get a cell next to hers. So maybe at least 20 years for her, but only 10 months for the fam.
Fun Fact: If something is irradiated, it means that it's not radioactive, it just means that it's been hit with radioactivity. Although I don't know how dangerous irradiated material can be, the fact is that it's NOT radioactive, which is what would be harmful to someone exposed to radiation.
I like that point, but I also thing this one isnt a lie. Assuming Clara knew the location of all the keys he had put her to sleep, and was simply testing her resolve, letting her take the Tardis to the lava, and toss the keys over in a shared dream. So it's hardly a lie.
Note on the Doctor's age: River Song does say when she meets 10 that he looks young. But we have to remember that she had not met this incarnation and was used to running about with 11. Of course 10 looked younger to her--he was! I never took it to be a comment on his actual age so much as River recognizing that this incarnation was younger than *her* Doctor.
@@nadjalaufeyson no, I don’t think it was right before the library. The doctor said that a night of Darillium is 24 years (I think, been a while since I watched the episode/clip) now that could be a lie but at the very least I don’t think he’d say they have 24 years when they only have a few hours.
The point about the Doctor's age is ridiculous. When the show started he was 200-something. In season 6 he was 900-something. That's 700 years of travel...
The Doctors age is going to change depending on who he talks to since a year on earth isn't the same as a year on Gallifrey or any other planet. So it's possible he calculates his age relative to where he is in the cosmos.
But the “first “ Doctor wasn’t the first time the Daleks met the Doctor, the “forth” Doctor was sent by the time lords to the beginning of the Daleks to destroy them in “Genesis of the Daleks “ so that is the first time that the Daleks and their creator encountered the Doctor and realised that there was life on other planets.
Yeah to be honest I'm willing to wager that the Doctor is somewhere around 3000 years old maybe. The 6th and 7th Doctors both mention that they are somewhere over 900 (I forget the exact age) and the 7th especially went on to live an extensive life, meaning the 8th Doctor was probably somewhere around 1000. At some point, 8 loses his memory and says he'll begin counting again from age 2. 8 then goes on to live for probably around 400 years (given the amount of material his Doctor has) and The Last Great Time War is credited as being "at least 400" years long. Either way, this means that 8 + War have to equal about 900 years, as the 9th Doctor is 900. We then get up to the 12th Doctor, who states he is over 2000 years old. So this plus the first 900 years of the first 7 incarnations = about 3000.
except no. He didn't actually live 4 billion years in the confession dial. He technically lived a few days or so before he died and used his pattern in the transmat to create a new version of himself. He only aged those few days.
Sarah Jane and the Doctor did meat meet again. She had a few episodes in David Tennant's series. Also she had her own TV Doctor who Style show called The Sarah Jane Adventures. Where David Tennant popped in a few episodes. So the doctor didn't really break his promise. He just took a long time to get back to her.🤔🙂
Actually it doesn’t work that way. The Doctor died over and over again during those billions of years in the confession dial. Each time a new version from the point he first arrived there took over. We don’t know how long it took between the Doctor exiting the teleport to plugging themself in to reset the whole thing but it was probably only a few days or so. What we do know is no 1 version lasted the whole time so the Doctor is not billions of years old from that.
@@HogW1ld385 He said it at the end of one cycle (around 7000 years?), that he remembers it all. And that happened each cycle again and again. At the end the last copy of the Doctor who broke through the wall did remember everything, whole 4.5 billions of years. His body was physically the age of the original Doctor, since it was a carbon copy a perfect 3D print from the data stored in the teleporter buffer, with a couple days spent to solve the castle puzzle to get to the wall, but mentally he had worth of 4.5 billions of years in experience.
@@Croftice1 The scene you and everyone else who tries to say that the Doctor remembers all the years spent in the dial is in the “Why can’t I just lose” Tardis scene. What the Doctor says is “But I can remember, Clara. You don’t understand. I can remember it all, everytime, and you’ll still be gone. Whatever I do you still won’t be there.” The Doctor isn’t saying that he has memories of all the loops but that even if he were to remember all of it Clara would still be dead. So why does he have to keep going? Why can’t he just lose?
@@charlleedodson Yes absolutely I know he means the classic Doctor never came back for Sara but still the Smith and Tennant Doctors should have counted
The 10th Doctor wants to remember only the good of Gallifrey in the past and not their flaws, it’s what a lot of people will do with those who have passed in their lives.
There are dozens of reasons why The Doctor might not be lying about his age. 1) at any given time he might be referring to the time between his birth and whatever year he is currently occupying. 2) He may be experiencing and number of Time Dilatuon or Lorenz’ Transformation effects. 3) He still has a human brain that is trying to process the memories of hundreds of lifetimes. He might be adding up whatever memories fugues that he retains at that moment into a consistent span of time. 4) The stories are not necessarily in direction chronological order. There could be any amount is time elapsing between them. 5) Usage of the TARDIS could have created an infinite number of alternative temporal Doctors. 6) etc etc etc
It is one of the things I'm deeply concerned about him; he broke his word to his loved ones, lie to the people to give false trust and belief, continuing butchering his way to victory over the enemies than showing them compassion or mercy. Part of him is truly the antagonist than being a good man with moral principles or careful understandings. It breaks my heart for believing he's some hero who considering some choices more carefully instead did countless unforgivable mistakes.
Er...UNIT didn't steal the 3rd Doctor's keys from his shoes...they had to pry it from his cold, unconscious hands after he found them and was shot in the head in a kidnapping/escape attempt....
Regarding the Doctor’s age. I think RTD screwed this up. I believe Doctor #6 stated age as 900 years old. Doctor #7 did state is age as 953 years old. So when Doctor #10 states he is 903 years old that is a major continuity error. I think when Doctor #12 states he is 2000 years old, that is probably a plausible correction to the Doctor’s actual age.
I think 7 said 1000 something, might be remembering wrong, but yeah the revival definitely had him say he was younger then he said before the "hiatus" and that is where the debate started.
@@GrimmShadowsII The Seventh Doctor definitely said 953. It was the code to enter a room in his first adventure. It was both his age and the Rani's age. It was a plot point in that story.
The Doctor had to be 2000 years old at the absolute minimum in Chris Ecclestone's era. William Hartnell alone would have needed to take up at least 900 of those years because it took that long for Matt Smith to die of old age. Since Hartnell, being the First Doctor, would have started as a baby (fuck The Timeless Child, old Bill is the First Doctor), he probably hit the 1000 year mark before he regenerated. John Hurt also spent several centuries in the Time War, starting as a relatively young looking man and dying of old age, so he must have been doing it for about 800 years. Those 2 Doctors alone must have taken up a minimum of 1700 years of his lifespan and then you have 7 other incarnations before Ecclestone shows up. All the New Who Doctors were lying through their teeth about their age, assuming they remember it at all.
Thank you for digging in to Old Who as well. Too often people tend to lean in to NuWho and act like everything from Nine forward is all fresh and new. Nope, not even.
The thing with determining how old the Doctor is... the Doctor travels through time. How can you measure how old something is when it's time traveling? Beyond the obvious stuff like if you're on a planet for an hour in that planet's timeframe, that means you're one hour older. But like, how long is a year on Gallifrey? Is it the same as a year on Earth? How does the Doctor determine how much time has passed when on a planet that doesn't have a 24-hour day or 365-day year? How can the Doctor know how old they are if they haven't been on one planet consistently for their entire life (lives??). We can only reliably count on the couple of times the Doctor was actually on a planet for a significant amount of time, like that one time 12 was with River for 24 years. So we can say that the Doctor is for sure at least 224 years old.
The Doctors age was relatively consistent in the classic series, in addition to your cited examples he is said to be 950 in Time and the Rani (apparently the Rani and the Doctor are the same age). Following this the Doctors conversation with Rose in Aliens of London has the line “900 years in time and space and I’ve never been slapped before” and in The Doctor Dance 900 years of time and space are also uttered, Rose assumes this means he’s 900 and he simply says “yeah”. The obvious solution being that Eccestones Doctor has travelled for 900 years, in addition to some 200 prior, making them about 1100 years old. It would seem though that they’ve taken to using a young figure given they pass for it 😆
Can we all agree that the doctor is like one of those 40 something year old women that claim they're still 25, until they have to bump it up to 30 when they reach mid fifties.
Hey don't know if anyone reads the comments after 5 hours but I'm rewatching new who for the first time ever (Entirely because of this channel btw) but I'm on Season 1 episode 6 "Dalek" and one scene at the end of the episode just sent chills down my spine. The doctor lost his temper and told the Dalek to kill itself and the Dalek simply said "You would be a good Dalek" just want to talk about it w anyone who wants to
Remember that episode where Capaldi was trapped in the confession dial and spent millions or billions of years breaking through a wall harder than diamond with his bare fists?
Age is irrelevant - "There’s this emperor, and he asks the shepherd’s boy how many seconds in eternity. And the shepherd’s boy says, ‘There’s this mountain of pure diamond. It takes an hour to climb it and an hour to go around it, and every hundred years a little bird comes and sharpens its beak on the diamond mountain. And when the entire mountain is chiseled away, the first second of eternity will have passed.’ You may think that’s a hell of a long time. Personally, I think that’s a hell of a bird.”
"The doctor may once have been correct" With a race like the timelords isnt the part you call "present" kinda arbitrary? When he dreamt of returning he could dream of a specific place as well as a specific time. Its not much of a difference to the time lords.
I always thought the doctor with one heart who was trapped in wherever he was trapped with Rose Tyler, should have somehow jury-rigged a TARDIS and materialized around old Amy the second before she is killed by the robots. I'm sure this is an idiotic idea, but I always liked old Amy. She didn't look like jailbait. Thank you for the time and effort you put it to your video, thumbs up.
Meta-10 with Rose trapped in Pete's world, even if he had his own TARDIS (which in one deleted scene was implied anyway) would still be restricted to Pete's world. I mean that's the whole meaning of being TRAPPED somewhere. Like crossing universes was a thing when the Timelords were around. Now with them trapped in their own private bubble universe (the cup of soup trick) works the same way as being destroyed originally, means it's not a thing anymore. 10th got to Pete's world originally by accident. Later Rose was able to cross, because the walls between those realities were weak, but once the stuff was solved, the crossing was again ... not a thing. So Meta-10 with his own TARDIS would still have adventures within "Pete's world" universe, not being able to cross to save old Amy.
Currently binge watching doctor who, I’m on season 3 and it’s only been a few weeks, pretty nice :)) so far I really like eccleston and rose a lot (I miss them lmao)
@@jaschul Actually outside of the Confession Dial it HAS BEEN 4.5 billions of years, the general confirmed it, when Clara asked. But that's not the case with the Doctor. He was cloned and died and was cloned again and another clone died. Technically the last clone solving the puzzle and tearing down the wall was only over 2000 years old like the original Doctor with a couple of days added by solving the puzzle and breaking the wall. But since the Doctor eventually remebered it all, mentally he's got 4.5 billions of years worth in experience.
When it comes to the thumbnail, the doctor's age in that episode is closer to 2000-3000 years old depending on how you measure it, the 7th doctor was older than the age given by the 10th doctor. It could be fixed by the war doctor resetting the count because they no longer view themselves as the doctor. To be fair the doctor starting losing count in their 4th incarnation. Also I don't think that age matters to timelords, they probably measure time more in the number of incarnations than age.
He didn't lie to Sarah... he came back and gave her the K-9 built from Earth sourced parts and a trimmed down database to prevent future knowledge. That would have been the last time he saw her, not when she left the Tardis until the modern cycle of events.
Also, when River Song described the 10th Doctor as "young", that is comparatively true. When she knew the Doctor in her own history, it was mostly in his 11th and 12th incarnations (not counting the "war" incarnation), when he was older than he was in his 10th incarnation.
Alright Sean, [Shawn, Shaun] Since you brought it up in entry 7.... As a YTBR who works at WhoCulture, had you ever considered using the stage name of Sean Fenric?
Okay with the remembering thing. When someone dies people tend to remember them at their best and not at their worst. The time war was likely them at their worst.
From what I have seen of who new and classic imho the only timelords that were decent people were Romana, Drax and the Doctor (possibly Andred but since we didn't see much of him can't say).
River didn’t look into the 10th Doctor’s eyes and say he was actually young, she was saying he’s the youngest she’s ever seen him, having only know the 11th and 12th.
Indeed, she said it was early days for him, not that he was young.
she actually met almost all of the doctors
@@roaaoverthinks that can't be true
@@King_Waffle listen to the Diary of River Song
The big finish productions
The biggest lie the Doctor ever told was that he was universally recognized as a mature and responsible adult.
He was called out, by his psychic paper, on this one
Finally, a lie too great.
I’m genuinely disappointed that wasn’t #1.
Regarding lying about his age.
He can say he's 500, then step inside his Tardis, leave for five minutes, rematerialize, and then claim he's 1500 years old and be accurate.
Time is not a straight progression. Given the warped travel path he takes through it, it's also entirely possible he's lost track.
Or Chinball did a redcon again
When he regenerated from 6 to 7 he stated his age was 957, the door code and the Ranies age.
As a kid, I just assumed he usually didn't count his time in the TARDIS. It was technically outside of time and space.
"Time is not a straight progression"
You're right, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly... timey wimey... stuff
@@andco53 thank you i was looking for that😆👍
Time Lords ruined their own world and society. Gallifrey, as a planet, was quite aesthetically beautiful. I don't blame the Doctor for wanting to remember the good bits about his homeworld, especially when he truly believed that it was gone forever.
That what I was thinking. Especially with the emotional pain it's likely to be more of a psychological thing than a lie.
I'd do the same if I'm in his place. I mean we as humans would also prefer spending less time talking about the dark histories of our country and try to spending more time remembering its old glories, because talking about dark histories of one's own country is never a pleasant experience.
@@laisensei6984 One's own PLANET, forget a trivial nation.
@@SStupendous It's still the same logic though, right?
@@laisensei6984 Yes. But just to put it on a larger sense, given a country is one thing and a whole planet lost is another.
#4 isn't fair on Rory's part. Rory was opening the door to let older Amy in when she interjected. She told him "If you love me, don't let me in". She sacrificed herself to give the years she would've spent with him back to her younger counterpart.
Not only did the 10th Doctor return to Sarah Jane, but he helped her kick off her own series until she, sadly, went home.
Not to mention she was there during The 5 Doctors as well.
It's hard to believe that Elizabeth Sladen died ten years ago already. 😣
@@jaschul Nathan-Turner died almost 20 years ago, and Jaqueline Hill, playing Barbara Wright from the first doctor, died almost 30 years ago.
Excuse me, but it’s rude to ask a Time Lord about his age!
Yea whoculture say sorry
+-§ôň them! Time Lords are dicks.
It is now she's a girl.
@@stephenpriest2766 69 lol
@@stephenpriest2766 HAHAHAHA funny as fuck!
I have a hard time understanding why misunderstandings are categorized as "lies". I feel lies imply that someone knows they aren't telling the truth, and say something contradictory regardless.
I agree, if you believe what your saying is true you're not lying.
Nice thumbnail BTW.
@@grumpyoldman3458 Um, no. Your belief in something has no actual bearing on its truthfulness. Intention doesn't make something not false.
@@jwb52z9 I think the point is that to lie you have to intentionally do so, it's a conscious act of deceit, saying something false is different
@@jwb52z9 Being told by your mother that "The bread is in the freezer", and then telling your father after that the bread is in the freezer. Would you be lying? When it turns out the bread is actually in the pantry?... No. your logic is really concerning.
@@jwb52z9 The point I was trying to make is that lying is *deliberate* deception so you could say something false by accident with no bad intention and not technically be lying.
On number 9, The Doctor did actually come back to Sarah Jane Smith in the School Reunion episode, but only as the Tenth Doctor and he didn’t know Sarah Jane was in the school.
@Grimsby Reapers So indirectly, the Doctor actually kept his promise.
And the time she fell down a cliffside road and the Doctor happened by and pulled her up.
And as he’s regenerating he sees her son and saves his life.
@@MoskHotel Yup. Just took him a few regenerations.
And if you watch the Sarah Jane spin off series, he actually comes back to her twice as 10 and 11.
I honestly wouldn't expect the Doctor to know how old they are. I can barely remember my own age and I'm not even 30
Not to mention he's had adventures where he's been aged and de-aged and for all we know some Doctor's might just be refering to the age of that current incarnation. The kid who took his pocketwatch in Family of blood said it best, "He's ancient and forever."
The biggest lie that doctor ever told was in the Christmas carol special when he said he was the most responsible babysitter in the universe.
yeah return of Dr. Mysterio example lol
They key scene loses all tension when you remember that he can open the doors with a snap of his fingers.
Regarding the Time Lords always being "good guys," we learn in "Mysterious Planet" (the first story of The Trial of a Time Lord, Sixth Doctor) that the Time Lords shift Earth 2 light years away, thus destroying a good chunk of life on Earth. In "The Stolen Earth" (Tenth Doctor), he mutters to himself how he'd only seen that happen one time before.... but at least in that story, the Daleks put a shield around Earth when they moved it to the Medusa Cascade.
Granted, the Daleks didn't do it out of kindness -- they wanted lifeforms to experiment on (not sure why they had to be living organisms -- I'd think any baryonic matter would've sufficed).
@Prince Phillip In the second Dalek serial the Daleks plan to extract Earth's core and fly it home.
They wanted living because their assholes
not to mention Colin Baker gave that speech about it as well, one of my favorite speeches ever given by The Doctor.
Hiding from the Family of Blood was because of their short lifespan - the goal was never to hope they change their ways, it was just to outlast them.
@- SageAegis - Basically by forcing his hand, they had lost their chance at mercy.
It wasnt a short life span they were basically dying from a lack of energy to consume. Had he managed to stay undercover long enough they night have died off
Did the Doctor just *LE GASP*lis?!?!?) 😂😂😂
We’re all forgetting about the 9th doctor threatening the Slitheen with alcohol. Easily my favourite lie he ever told.
The Doctor's biggest lie: "I'm always all right."
I think The Doctor lies cos he doesn't want to reveal or give away too much about himself. Sylvester McCoy revealed in an interview that he wanted to make The Doctor more mysterious cos he felt too much had been revealed about The Doctor. The series is called Doctor Who and The Doctor is supposed to be an enigmatic character.
The doctor lives in the tardis and since it can move freely through time and space, it’s basically timeless inside. There are no days. What would they measure off? Earth days? Gallifray days? How would he know how long has really passed if he runs freely through time. Therefore how could be possibly know his age? And why do they attribute one to themself?
You couldn't technically measure off of days, but you could measure the number of hours someone has spent inside, as well as show the local time
That is true how would you measure it as in the power of three when they enter the TARDIS again the doctor mentions that Brian has been inside for 3 days yet for him he clearly didn't think it has been that long so time must be a little different inside the tardis
I always wondered if types of measurements are translated by the Tardis as well.
Like if Daleks mesure length in (x) and humans mesure it in meters, if a Dalek says something is 3(x)s long, it gets translated to it being 18 meters long.
If humans measure their lifetime in years, Timelords measure their lifetime in (a). So if the Doctor says he is 40(a)s old, humans hear he is 900 years old.
But Timelords have a completely different concept and understanding of time, so maybe it would be impossible to translate it accurately. And that might be why the doctors age doesn't make sense.
@@dr.sigmundfreud3030 That makes total sense!
Concepts like days and years which are based off of the motion of planets certainly wouldn't translate, but the modern definition of a second is based off the radioactive period of a specific atom. You could certainly use a system like that to measure time inside the TARDIS.
Well, technically, the Doctor never really described the Time Lords as good. After all, he DID run away from them, with reason, and, if the First Doctor can be considered more a scholar than his later incarnations, it is very likely the Doctor is well aware that his own people are not the paragons of virtue and omnipotence they pretend to be.
In The War Games, it is clear that the Doctor never truly trusted the Time Lords almost from the beginning. The Second Doctor felt forced to call them for help, and just hoped that he would just get away before they showed. His arguments justifying his own actions is very much an indictment against the Time Lords' NON-actions. But the Doctor is still beholden to them, as they proved when they exiled him to earth.
Then, when we truly began seeing them more during the Third Doctor's exile, they had begun using him for their own dirty deeds (if you believe the Series 6B theory, the Time Lords have been doing this for a while now), and the Doctor justifiably resents this. Moreover, it makes the Time Lords more hypocritical as they continue to do this through future incarnations. Once the Doctor is freed from his exile, this doesn't stop the Time Lords from continuing to manipulate him. In the end, the Time Lords get plausible deniability - officially, they are NOT interfering and if something goes wrong, they can always condemn the Doctor for going rogue and claim no knowledge of his actions. Which, of course, is what happened during Trial of a Time Lord - the only reason the trial takes place at all is because the Doctor discovered a secret of the Time Lords, but doesn't quite realize this, and the Time Lords decide to punish the rebel and rogue for their OWN actions before he figures out the truth.
So, when the Time Lords remanifested as villains during the new series, this is supposed to be a sudden shift in character, but it really isn't. It is just the culmination of what has been happening for years. Ask yourself: who REALLY started the Time War - the Daleks, not wanting to deal with the Time Lords' interference any more, or the Time Lords themselves, taking the opportunity to rid themselves of the Daleks once and for all. And, yet again, the Time Lords used the Doctor as cover for their OWN actions. No wonder he tried so hard to avoid getting involved. Staying out may have lead to BOTH enemies destroying themselves, and the universe would be better because of it.
No, I don't think the Doctor lied about the Time Lords. The Second Doctor provided a simple explanation without going into detail, mostly because he anticipated being able to escape them, and then he wouldn't need to reveal his true opinions. But he did not escape, and he and his companions paid dearly for this. In the end, the Doctor has been the scapegoat of the Time Lords at least since he chose to leave Gallifrey. We also know that, in a way, the Master has been their pawn for far longer (The Sound of Drums, and, of course, The Timeless Children), and arguably has suffered even worse than the Doctor.
The Time Lords are the TRUE villains of Doctor Who, and always HAVE been.
I don't know if I would go as far as the TRUE villains, but yeah they've never been the "good guys" like they claim to be. If you watch the Dalak episodes, and I've seen most if not all of them, it's obvious they're a threat due to their xenophobic drive to destroy non Dalek life, same with the cybermen's drive to upgrade everyone. The problem with the time lords are they always go to extremes; for awhile they refused to do anything, the Doctor and Davros have both mentioned things along the lines of the Timelords sitting in their towers just looking down on everyone but never interfereing, then when they finaling decided to do something they used the Master and Doctor like you said for plausible deniability. The Doctor knew them wellenough when he left that he would have known if it was just an act, so I think when he left they were on the extreme end of pacifist then they switch to the other extreme, likely because they felt threatened. But it's one of those things that vague enough that it's open to interpretation and debate, which I thing is good for the show to allow fans to debate and theorize. Bottom line no matter which of us is right the one thing that is definitely undebatable is everything the Timelords do is for their own saftly and appearence.
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In all honesty, The Doctor is the one who likely lit the fuse that ignited the Timewar, when he tricked Davros into using the hand of omega to destroy skaro.
@@TurtleDudeProd Agreed. It all comes back to that incident.
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Is this a suicide note?
@@ocgmercury I don't want to go
@@ThePinkOranges907 uh oh
@@ThePinkOranges907 yes you do 😂
@@theomonty through out all of are lives we are different people and that's good because you got to change to keep moving as long you remember who you are. I will not forget one comment or subscribed account I will always remember when welsh shortbread was me
In "The Girl Who Waited" I thought the Doctor said by Rory choosing the younger Amy, the older one would cease to exist, because by taking the younger Amy this prevents her from going through all of that thereby causing that timeline to cease its existence.
Sixth Doctor “I have impeccable fashion sense”
There is a different between lies and delusion.
my favorite clip of the Doctor was "Demons Run"
“Madame Kovarian: The anger of a good man is not a problem. Good men have too many rules. The Doctor: Good men don't need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many.”
The Doctor always tries so hard to be good, because it's easy to be bad, but he can prove it's possible to be good and win.
"Live life the way it should be, to show people what it can be" I don't know where I got this line but it reminds me of this
The Family of Blood lie was hardly a big discredit to the Doctor - they thoroughly deserved it.
But the lie he told in The Girl Who Waited - that really hurt. Even though it wasn't the Doctor's fault and he was doing all he could to fix things, shutting the Tardis door on Old Amy was a shock and a betrayal.
One implicit lie not in this list - in Hell Bent, when he 'extracted' Clara and didn't tell her the neural block would wipe her memories. (And, of course, in the diner scene, one of them must be lying in pretending not to remember the other - we don't find out till the end which one it is. But that hardly counts as a lie).
The lie about Amy gets closer to you on an emotional level because it's easy to feel with the characters and with both sides of the story. But "The Family of Blood" still contained a much stronger message imho. Because he didn't want to punish them like that, he knows and feels that actually, no matter how evil someone might be: noone should ever be forced to suffer forever. He wanted to save them from that destiny, and save himself from being the one to execute it. And still he had to do it because they didn't leave him much of a choice, as otherwise they would have been a permanent, unkillable threat for more than only one world.
@@ananyabailey1057 I think I have to agree with you. Cosmically, Family of Blood is more significant than the continued existence of one will-never-have-existed facet of a character who will now have an alternative existence. Or whatever. But emotionally? After everything Old Amy has been through.
Also, we expect the Doctor (or anyone) to lie to an enemy, especially an enemy who is the aggressor. Lying directly to a close friend, now, even if unavoidable, that puts a much sharper edge on it.
But I'm not really disagreeing with you at all. :)
@@ananyabailey1057 That's a two edged knife. Sure he didn't want to be cruel and didn't want to punish the family of Blood at first, but he knew, that they would eventually die, if they didn't get him, so he hid from them and intended for them to die out. Like he had that knowledge and instead of saving the universe by being cruel to one clearly evil alien family, he chose to hide and endanger several people in a small willage, hoping, the family would loose track of him and die shortly. Was that a wise decision? That's the real question. But without it, we wouldn't have a two part episode about that evil alien family. Sooooooo ...
@@Croftice1 Hello there. Hmm I think it was a wise decision, when looking at it from the perspective of someone who has lived through a longer life span than any human being. People will always be in danger somewhere, and people will always die, without someone being able to save them all. But the thought of eternal suffering, without being able to die, that is the true horror. Trying to prevent such a destiny, even if it's your enemy, that is true strength in my opinion.
The 11th Doctor lying to the Daleks that a Jammy Dodger biscuit was a destruction button was hilarious!
The Doctor has to the same thing as with Ace later with Amy to also break her fierce confidence in him in the episode The God Complex, to stop the monster.
10:08 there’s at least 3x The Doctor has pulled the fluid link trick
1. 1st Doctor on Skaaro
2. 12th Doctor in Oxygen
3. 13th Doctor in the DW: Wizard of Oz book
The
W H A T ?
@@TheMultiGamerOfficial yup in the new book: Doctor Who - The Wonderful Doctor of Oz, 13 does it
@@UgandanPrinc3 No fucking way is that real
@@TheMultiGamerOfficial yeah it is, I think missy is the wicked witch
@@TheMultiGamerOfficial yup, it’s out now
Make a 'top 10 best doctor who season openers' video (the first episode not the opening sequences)
Just a reminder Wedding of River Song happened AFTER The Doctor’s Wife and in the former he spent 200 years travelling across the universe on a farewell tour.
Plus you could also argue they're not married because he was in a robot and the marriage happened in a condensed or collapsing timeline that was fixed and doesn't exist anymore.
@@GrimmShadowsII Amy still remembers killing Kowarian in cold blood.
But hang on a second, you claim (number 9) that The Doctor lied about coming back, but in fact HE DID RETURN & meet up with Sarah-Jane again so he DIDN'T LIE.Other than that, great video, keep it up.
Yeah. He met Sarah Jane again much later, but I think it was unintentionally. And at that moment when he first left he didn't mean to return, so technically it was a lie.
Accidentally.
til we meet again is a common greeting, just like see you later, its frequently NOT literal! So no he did NOT promise to return to her!
There was the time Sarah fell off the side of a cliffside road, and the Doctor happened to by driving by and rescued her.
And the time she and the Doctor ran into each other near a London street market.
The doctor lies was a clever and neat line to cover up huge issues being written into the show at the time
I always wondered if types of measurements are translated by the Tardis as well.
Like if Daleks mesure length in (x) and humans mesure it in meters, if a Dalek says something is 3(x)s long, it gets translated to it being 18 meters long.
If humans measure their lifetime in years, Timelords measure their lifetime in (a). So if the Doctor says he is 40(a)s old, humans hear he is 900 years old.
But Timelords have a completely different concept and understanding of time, so maybe it would be impossible to translate it accurately. And that might be why the doctors age doesn't make sense.
Daleks measure time in Rels (or Rells, not sure). Some Doctor regenerations even quip about it, latest would be Doctor No. #13 "Now I must remember, how much is a rel?" after the Dalek used it in a previous scene. And this shows, that the TARDIS actually doesn't translate between rels and seconds, minutes, hours, or whatever. Also it was used in several other episodes, like the Journey's End, The Daleks in Manhattan and so on.
My thing about the age - how long is a year in time lord years? One time lord year could be 50 earth years. The doctor may never be lying, just changing years based on different planetary systems
That was my first theory. After he thought Gallifrey had been destroyed he started going by Earth years, the age debate first started when Eccleson or Tennant said 900 something after McCoy had said 1000 something.
Regarding his age, how old is he now considering the time it took him to punch through the diamond wall in the tower?
Now like, maybe thousands more years old - given he only lives a day, at a time, @Gronk Games ? Hard to say.
Plus, it may have been a simulation, inside the Dial - I've never been fully sure.
it will be billions but he dies every day so dont really age at the end of season 10 he is 2000 years old plus some timey winey
and also, in last special with 13, they never said how long she was in prison
He is 2 or 3 days old at the end of the episode.
All his previous clones dies at 2 or 3 days old.
The original Doctor died old in the tower, but he is very dead indeed.
@@milicapajic9131 she said its been a rough couple of decades to Jack, and he took 19 years to get a cell next to hers. So maybe at least 20 years for her, but only 10 months for the fam.
Fun Fact: If something is irradiated, it means that it's not radioactive, it just means that it's been hit with radioactivity. Although I don't know how dangerous irradiated material can be, the fact is that it's NOT radioactive, which is what would be harmful to someone exposed to radiation.
Doesnt irradiated metal have a strong chance of becoming radioactive itself?
@@UGNAvalon Perhaps. But that doesn't change the fact that there's a difference between radioactive and irradiated.
Maybe the TARDIS is the only one who knows all the truth, behind the Doctor's lies. ❤️
Becuase you did unlucky characters please could you do top 10 luckiest characters like Mr Copper in
Voyage of the Damned
Great idea!
Or 10 worst interviews given by doctor who actors. Like Clive Swift from voyage of the damned
God I fucking hated that guy
No views, 5 likes and 2 comments. Back on the sauce I see, youtube.
Lol
Rule 1: the Doctor lies.
Rules 2-100: see Rule 1.
About the key one it doesn’t matter if she even did get all the keys because the doctor can snap and open the tardis
50% sure he still needs the key on his person
I like that point, but I also thing this one isnt a lie. Assuming Clara knew the location of all the keys he had put her to sleep, and was simply testing her resolve, letting her take the Tardis to the lava, and toss the keys over in a shared dream. So it's hardly a lie.
Couple mistakes in this video, the curse of Fenric wasn’t early in Ace’s adventures it was her second last story, and Scaro is spelt Skaro
Note on the Doctor's age: River Song does say when she meets 10 that he looks young. But we have to remember that she had not met this incarnation and was used to running about with 11. Of course 10 looked younger to her--he was! I never took it to be a comment on his actual age so much as River recognizing that this incarnation was younger than *her* Doctor.
But keep in mind that 12 was the oldest version she had been with, not 11. I think the night at the singing towers was right before the library.
@@nadjalaufeyson no, I don’t think it was right before the library. The doctor said that a night of Darillium is 24 years (I think, been a while since I watched the episode/clip) now that could be a lie but at the very least I don’t think he’d say they have 24 years when they only have a few hours.
@@animefan-ji8rd I know, I meant that those years that made up that night was right before the library as her diary was at it's end.
I thought Skaro was spelt with a K
it is
I’m pretty sure it’s spelt Skaaro
@@Keepitsimple929 no
The doctor did go back to sarah jane when he is in his 10th reganaration
Very true
And the 11th
@@stardustlight8630 ye
He didn't go back, he ran into her.
@@nisa202 but he re built k9 for her
10:06 I'm so sorry but I have to. There is a typo on skaro.
The point about the Doctor's age is ridiculous. When the show started he was 200-something. In season 6 he was 900-something. That's 700 years of travel...
The Doctors age is going to change depending on who he talks to since a year on earth isn't the same as a year on Gallifrey or any other planet. So it's possible he calculates his age relative to where he is in the cosmos.
I like that explaination
I though that when the 11th doctor told the boy in the Christmas episode that he was a mature responsible adult should have been on the list
But the “first “ Doctor wasn’t the first time the Daleks met the Doctor, the “forth” Doctor was sent by the time lords to the beginning of the Daleks to destroy them in “Genesis of the Daleks “ so that is the first time that the Daleks and their creator encountered the Doctor and realised that there was life on other planets.
Its was the doctors first encounter with the daleks not when the daleks first encountered the doctor. Time travel
Hot tip: if you want some lose backstory on the time lords you should read river of time which is the 5th and final story in the legends of river song
I like how he says putting aside the timeless child as though that isn't what most fans do anyway
The doctor does eventually go back to Sara Jane just many years later.
But by pure chance
Yeah to be honest I'm willing to wager that the Doctor is somewhere around 3000 years old maybe. The 6th and 7th Doctors both mention that they are somewhere over 900 (I forget the exact age) and the 7th especially went on to live an extensive life, meaning the 8th Doctor was probably somewhere around 1000. At some point, 8 loses his memory and says he'll begin counting again from age 2. 8 then goes on to live for probably around 400 years (given the amount of material his Doctor has) and The Last Great Time War is credited as being "at least 400" years long. Either way, this means that 8 + War have to equal about 900 years, as the 9th Doctor is 900. We then get up to the 12th Doctor, who states he is over 2000 years old. So this plus the first 900 years of the first 7 incarnations = about 3000.
He certainly is a lot older than 900 at the beginning of the new series on its return.
So we arent going to talk about how he has keys for the TARDIS, that he doesnt really need? Ive seen the doctor oen the TARDIS door with a snap.
That came with time. He used to physically open the door
The statement that he's "half human, on his mother's side." ;-)
We'll never know if that was a lie or he was just delirious at the time.
the doctor is atleast 4 and a half billion years old, according to what the timelords told clara
And thanks to big chibnall it could be like a trillion years
except no. He didn't actually live 4 billion years in the confession dial. He technically lived a few days or so before he died and used his pattern in the transmat to create a new version of himself. He only aged those few days.
@@tracyroweauthor they actually confirmed that he aged the 4 and half billion years , so right now he is ancient
@@animator2k No, he doesn't.
@@revendisio what do you mean he doesn't?
Sarah Jane and the Doctor did meat meet again. She had a few episodes in David Tennant's series. Also she had her own TV Doctor who Style show called The Sarah Jane Adventures. Where David Tennant popped in a few episodes.
So the doctor didn't really break his promise. He just took a long time to get back to her.🤔🙂
if you count the time he was in prison he is over 4 billion years old, he went the long way around.
Actually it doesn’t work that way.
The Doctor died over and over again during those billions of years in the confession dial. Each time a new version from the point he first arrived there took over.
We don’t know how long it took between the Doctor exiting the teleport to plugging themself in to reset the whole thing but it was probably only a few days or so.
What we do know is no 1 version lasted the whole time so the Doctor is not billions of years old from that.
@@HogW1ld385 but he remembered ALL of it, or at least he told Clara that, so he _lived_ all of it.
@@MaryAnnNytowl when does he say that cause I can’t find it
@@HogW1ld385 He said it at the end of one cycle (around 7000 years?), that he remembers it all. And that happened each cycle again and again. At the end the last copy of the Doctor who broke through the wall did remember everything, whole 4.5 billions of years. His body was physically the age of the original Doctor, since it was a carbon copy a perfect 3D print from the data stored in the teleporter buffer, with a couple days spent to solve the castle puzzle to get to the wall, but mentally he had worth of 4.5 billions of years in experience.
@@Croftice1 The scene you and everyone else who tries to say that the Doctor remembers all the years spent in the dial is in the “Why can’t I just lose” Tardis scene.
What the Doctor says is “But I can remember, Clara. You don’t understand. I can remember it all, everytime, and you’ll still be gone. Whatever I do you still won’t be there.”
The Doctor isn’t saying that he has memories of all the loops but that even if he were to remember all of it Clara would still be dead. So why does he have to keep going? Why can’t he just lose?
You forgetting the Doctor does return for Sara the 10th Doctor in the school reunion episode
And in the Sara Jane Adventures
@@charlleedodson Yes absolutely I know he means the classic Doctor never came back for Sara but still the Smith and Tennant Doctors should have counted
by the time 14th doctor hits, my "man" is like over a million years old (fisher king)
The 10th Doctor wants to remember only the good of Gallifrey in the past and not their flaws, it’s what a lot of people will do with those who have passed in their lives.
There are dozens of reasons why The Doctor might not be lying about his age. 1) at any given time he might be referring to the time between his birth and whatever year he is currently occupying. 2) He may be experiencing and number of Time Dilatuon or Lorenz’ Transformation effects. 3) He still has a human brain that is trying to process the memories of hundreds of lifetimes. He might be adding up whatever memories fugues that he retains at that moment into a consistent span of time. 4) The stories are not necessarily in direction chronological order. There could be any amount is time elapsing between them. 5) Usage of the TARDIS could have created an infinite number of alternative temporal Doctors. 6) etc etc etc
1:19 it's not even wrong because they did meet again in school reunion
It is one of the things I'm deeply concerned about him; he broke his word to his loved ones, lie to the people to give false trust and belief, continuing butchering his way to victory over the enemies than showing them compassion or mercy. Part of him is truly the antagonist than being a good man with moral principles or careful understandings. It breaks my heart for believing he's some hero who considering some choices more carefully instead did countless unforgivable mistakes.
yeah the star whale is a good example
Er...UNIT didn't steal the 3rd Doctor's keys from his shoes...they had to pry it from his cold, unconscious hands after he found them and was shot in the head in a kidnapping/escape attempt....
Regarding the Doctor’s age. I think RTD screwed this up. I believe Doctor #6 stated age as 900 years old. Doctor #7 did state is age as 953 years old. So when Doctor #10 states he is 903 years old that is a major continuity error. I think when Doctor #12 states he is 2000 years old, that is probably a plausible correction to the Doctor’s actual age.
I think 7 said 1000 something, might be remembering wrong, but yeah the revival definitely had him say he was younger then he said before the "hiatus" and that is where the debate started.
Maybe that is the age of each current incarnation.
@@GrimmShadowsII The Seventh Doctor definitely said 953. It was the code to enter a room in his first adventure. It was both his age and the Rani's age. It was a plot point in that story.
The Doctor had to be 2000 years old at the absolute minimum in Chris Ecclestone's era. William Hartnell alone would have needed to take up at least 900 of those years because it took that long for Matt Smith to die of old age. Since Hartnell, being the First Doctor, would have started as a baby (fuck The Timeless Child, old Bill is the First Doctor), he probably hit the 1000 year mark before he regenerated. John Hurt also spent several centuries in the Time War, starting as a relatively young looking man and dying of old age, so he must have been doing it for about 800 years. Those 2 Doctors alone must have taken up a minimum of 1700 years of his lifespan and then you have 7 other incarnations before Ecclestone shows up. All the New Who Doctors were lying through their teeth about their age, assuming they remember it at all.
The doctor also claimed to have 700-ish regenerations, in one of the Sarah Jane Adventures...
I thought it was 507
@@Singoutholdtight Yup, you're right. I found the old clip. 507.
Cool
Thank you for digging in to Old Who as well. Too often people tend to lean in to NuWho and act like everything from Nine forward is all fresh and new. Nope, not even.
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"That brought him face to plunger"
I see what you did there.
The thing with determining how old the Doctor is... the Doctor travels through time. How can you measure how old something is when it's time traveling? Beyond the obvious stuff like if you're on a planet for an hour in that planet's timeframe, that means you're one hour older. But like, how long is a year on Gallifrey? Is it the same as a year on Earth? How does the Doctor determine how much time has passed when on a planet that doesn't have a 24-hour day or 365-day year? How can the Doctor know how old they are if they haven't been on one planet consistently for their entire life (lives??). We can only reliably count on the couple of times the Doctor was actually on a planet for a significant amount of time, like that one time 12 was with River for 24 years. So we can say that the Doctor is for sure at least 224 years old.
The Doctors age was relatively consistent in the classic series, in addition to your cited examples he is said to be 950 in Time and the Rani (apparently the Rani and the Doctor are the same age).
Following this the Doctors conversation with Rose in Aliens of London has the line “900 years in time and space and I’ve never been slapped before” and in The Doctor Dance 900 years of time and space are also uttered, Rose assumes this means he’s 900 and he simply says “yeah”.
The obvious solution being that Eccestones Doctor has travelled for 900 years, in addition to some 200 prior, making them about 1100 years old. It would seem though that they’ve taken to using a young figure given they pass for it 😆
Can we all agree that the doctor is like one of those 40 something year old women that claim they're still 25, until they have to bump it up to 30 when they reach mid fifties.
10:04 - It's Skaro, not Scaro.
The 3rd doctor wasn't ashamed of what he did, he was ashamed it hadn't worked.
"Putting aside the Timeless child for a moment..."
Well, please do, Sean. In fact, bare it no mind at all.
It’s Skaro
Not Scaro
First we get Peri's name wrong, now we misspell Skaro
Hey don't know if anyone reads the comments after 5 hours but I'm rewatching new who for the first time ever (Entirely because of this channel btw) but I'm on Season 1 episode 6 "Dalek" and one scene at the end of the episode just sent chills down my spine. The doctor lost his temper and told the Dalek to kill itself and the Dalek simply said "You would be a good Dalek" just want to talk about it w anyone who wants to
One of the best moments in Who history.
@@jaschul yeah, it was really good. Christopher Eccleston was such a good doctor
@@lilithhenderson I sometimes wonder where New Who would've gone if Eccelston hadn't left after one season
YOU SPELT SKARO WRONG… AHHHHHHHHHHHH
WHOVIAN??????????????.
Remember that episode where Capaldi was trapped in the confession dial and spent millions or billions of years breaking through a wall harder than diamond with his bare fists?
Age is irrelevant - "There’s this emperor, and he asks the shepherd’s boy how many seconds in eternity. And the shepherd’s boy says, ‘There’s this mountain of pure diamond. It takes an hour to climb it and an hour to go around it, and every hundred years a little bird comes and sharpens its beak on the diamond mountain. And when the entire mountain is chiseled away, the first second of eternity will have passed.’ You may think that’s a hell of a long time. Personally, I think that’s a hell of a bird.”
"He's set the ship to self destruct."
Tenant, silently: "Oh yes!"
The best thumbnail in the world
"The doctor may once have been correct" With a race like the timelords isnt the part you call "present" kinda arbitrary? When he dreamt of returning he could dream of a specific place as well as a specific time. Its not much of a difference to the time lords.
I always thought the doctor with one heart who was trapped in wherever he was trapped with Rose Tyler, should have somehow jury-rigged a TARDIS and materialized around old Amy the second before she is killed by the robots. I'm sure this is an idiotic idea, but I always liked old Amy. She didn't look like jailbait. Thank you for the time and effort you put it to your video, thumbs up.
Meta-10 with Rose trapped in Pete's world, even if he had his own TARDIS (which in one deleted scene was implied anyway) would still be restricted to Pete's world. I mean that's the whole meaning of being TRAPPED somewhere. Like crossing universes was a thing when the Timelords were around. Now with them trapped in their own private bubble universe (the cup of soup trick) works the same way as being destroyed originally, means it's not a thing anymore. 10th got to Pete's world originally by accident. Later Rose was able to cross, because the walls between those realities were weak, but once the stuff was solved, the crossing was again ... not a thing. So Meta-10 with his own TARDIS would still have adventures within "Pete's world" universe, not being able to cross to save old Amy.
Currently binge watching doctor who, I’m on season 3 and it’s only been a few weeks, pretty nice :)) so far I really like eccleston and rose a lot (I miss them lmao)
The doctor is billion of years old if you count that episode about the prison, where he's cloned again and again and again.
_Outside of_ the confession dial, how long was the Doctor imprisoned? Was it still billions of years?
@@jaschul Actually outside of the Confession Dial it HAS BEEN 4.5 billions of years, the general confirmed it, when Clara asked. But that's not the case with the Doctor. He was cloned and died and was cloned again and another clone died. Technically the last clone solving the puzzle and tearing down the wall was only over 2000 years old like the original Doctor with a couple of days added by solving the puzzle and breaking the wall. But since the Doctor eventually remebered it all, mentally he's got 4.5 billions of years worth in experience.
When it comes to the thumbnail, the doctor's age in that episode is closer to 2000-3000 years old depending on how you measure it, the 7th doctor was older than the age given by the 10th doctor. It could be fixed by the war doctor resetting the count because they no longer view themselves as the doctor.
To be fair the doctor starting losing count in their 4th incarnation. Also I don't think that age matters to timelords, they probably measure time more in the number of incarnations than age.
He didn't lie to Sarah... he came back and gave her the K-9 built from Earth sourced parts and a trimmed down database to prevent future knowledge. That would have been the last time he saw her, not when she left the Tardis until the modern cycle of events.
Also he DID go back for her. It was 7 regenerations later but he still returned.
Did no one send a memo to the countdown maker that skaro doesn’t have a c ?
One of my favourite quotes is literally when 11 says "I can't even remember my age, thats how old I am".
The end result of the Family of Blood was shown to me by a friend. This is what got me into watching Doctor Who
Also, when River Song described the 10th Doctor as "young", that is comparatively true. When she knew the Doctor in her own history, it was mostly in his 11th and 12th incarnations (not counting the "war" incarnation), when he was older than he was in his 10th incarnation.
Alright Sean, [Shawn, Shaun]
Since you brought it up in entry 7....
As a YTBR who works at WhoCulture, had you ever considered using the stage name of Sean Fenric?
Okay with the remembering thing. When someone dies people tend to remember them at their best and not at their worst. The time war was likely them at their worst.
Very interesting video but you need to time the ads better as they come in min sentences
From what I have seen of who new and classic imho the only timelords that were decent people were Romana, Drax and the Doctor (possibly Andred but since we didn't see much of him can't say).
Andred became one for the shitty timelords list later on.
@@SuperFunkmachine noted I heard in Bf Romana did questionable things but meant well
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