@@TheObsoletist33, I hope so, otherwise it would be like Data telling a Klingon that he intended to piggy back a transmission on a Romulan transmission. He then had to explain that it was a human metaphor for using the Romulan transmission as a carrier wave.
i would add dark matter to that list aswell, buuuut it never got to finish its run n when had chance the actors etc had new contracts and some jus had new lives x) but yes to the point of your post orville crushes it i was so psyched to see a season 3 @new horizons!! love that mcfarlane picked up where they left off aswell rather than jumping around like some shows do tryna make you guess what happened in the time gap they add between seasons so to speak
Because it is meant for adults rather than incels? I'd say that's...actually appropriate. I have watched all Trek and I actually like STD. I don't know what's wrong with so many other deranged types. Orville is not "Trek"; it is a fan spoof that adds very little to the minds of anyone (including the adolescent white male). Sorry.
Just imagine Enterprise hailing another ship for assistance in something only to recieve a response from the Orville that says "The ship is momentarily inoperational, the computer has a virus from when an officer downloaded shady porn"
What's telling about the Orville is it's rating on Rotten Tomatoes, the critics loath this show but the fans myself included absolutely love it. I think this shows just how out of touch Mainstream media is & what fans actually want to watch.They have forgotten the Golden Rule Entertain first, and if you preach, let the story do the preaching on its own.
For me it's not so much that many ideologically-compromised critics are "out of touch" but that they are _willingly_ so and quite prepared to forfeit what little integrity they have left in maintaining it....
Rotten Tomatoes has been suspect for a long time now. These reviewers are taking perks to hype junk and we know it. The Orville is a love letter from Seth to ST fans and he treats the material with reference and a bit of off color humor which is perfect.
Really surprised by The Orville. With every episode it has worked it's way deeper into my heart. Never shys away from serious story lines, but also keeps a great balance between the original series sense of fun and wonder and the later series dramatic integrity. All credit to Seth for investing his considerable acting talent into the role of Ed Mercer. Fantastic supporting cast and production values too! Here's to many more series.
When a joke not only makes you laugh but think as well then you’ve struck gold. When Seth MacFarlanes character asked Isaac if their race is legendarily racist, that made me laugh and think back to data, did data ever have a superiority complex towards his fellow crew men? The answer is obviously no because he always wanted to be accepted by his crew man and wanted to know and understand human feeling and emotions.
The difference between Data and Isaac is that Data did not come from an entire society of robots and was not programmed to consider humans and other organic races inferior. Isaac is not only mechanical, but also part of a hive mind, like the Borg and the Dominion.
The Borg tested Data's programming rules architechture robustness, it's final frontier. Isaac IS the Borg without the organic parasitic dependance of a host but a hacked pure automata AI collective entity severed from the heirarchic hive, for now.
@@Opinionatoronline Data was meant to be more human and an individual, just missing emotions. Look at Lore, give him a more human paint job and he would have blended in fine ,other than being a psychopath.
Personally, I consider MacFarlane to be the "Terry Nation" of this century. You may or may not be aware, but Nation was the writer who originally created the Daleks in Doctor Who, and also created the fantastic British sci-fi series Blake's 7. Like MacFarlane, Nation established himself initially as a comedy writer, yet ended up making a huge contribution to science fiction. Macfarlane comes from the same age as we do. Like us, he grew up on TOS, TNG, DS9, etc, Doctor Who, etc so he has a fundamental understanding of what makes both quality science fiction and television. After seeing the first season of The Orville, I so desperately wanted to speak with him personally and thank him for his work on the series. It deserves far more recognition that it gets.
@Daniel Appleton It's a stale trope, especially in a trek-esque setting. Glad they ditched it for simply a passing interest in understanding his mates.
You know, when they announced Discovery I was cautiously optimistic. I didn't really care who was on both sides of the camera. I wanted to drop to my parents for a dinner and watch an episode of Star Trek with them, as we did when I was a kid on the good old telly. I paid no attention to naysayers when they criticized the premise of 'main character' on a Star Trek show. I could see the show opening with a 'fish out of water' character we'd experience the world with - after all, there is a new generation of fans who might not know much about Star Trek. Having a protagonist that learns it with them could work just fine. And then I saw the pilot... and the episode after the pilot. And then I forced myself through 3rd episode... and the 4th. At that point, I gave up. I actually showed the pilot to my mum (the person who introduced me to Star Trek, to begin with!) but she disliked it. It was loud, chaotic, flashy and to quote her own words "The Klingons would look better if they went back to their TOS costumes." Orville on the other hand - while spiked with sometimes really immature humour - was like the breath of old air. Old, good air that carried a scent of simple stories tackling greater real-life issues. I wanted to love Star Trek: Discovery. And for what it's worth, I enjoy acting on that show. But the premise and execution weren't Star Trek at all. And it hurt something inside of me that I didn't even know existed.
I'm a strong conservative, and yet I love The Orville. It's obvious that The Orville is liberal leaning, but where it differs from much of modern media is the fact that its politics are incorporated properly into the plot rather than shoehorned in, and it handles politically charged topics thoughtfully rather than ramming them down our throats. Good sci-fi should spark discourse, not outrage.
I think season one had at least 2 episodes that were sort of pushing Atheism (3 including the Krill ship one) but it was more lingering in the background versus being shoved down everyone's throats. Making a good story came first.
I think it's about the writers(s) genuinely wanting to explore certain situations and being able to do it well, then simply putting them in for woke points (i.e Doctor Who).
So even a show based on a brighter future issue with your kind. Oh boy well at least you like the show. Still if your what you say you are then the regular Star Trek with all its violence and dystopia future should be what your seeking.
So you’re saying that a show incorporating social issues into well written scripts, with intelligence, and subtlety - while fairly presenting both sides of the argument - is actually more entertaining than one that doesn’t bother to find good stories, but instead takes a hard line stance for only one side, then constantly smashes the viewers over the head with it.....? That’s crazy talk! 🤪 Actually, that sounds pretty good to me, haven’t seen it yet, but I’m going to definitely check out The Orville. 👍
You will love it. I thought the 1st 2 episodes were a bit meh! But as said here the 3rd story with Bortus's daughter was the one that clicked with me and from then it hit high gear
I absolutely *_love_*_ The Orville._ I'm confident you will too. There are too many good episodes in Season 1 to pick just one as my favorite. And I am so looking forward to watching Season 2. So happy it didn't get cancelled.
Artamus Sumatra wouldn't that be great if Discovery did this? Shame you can't bring that up without being attacked and dismissed. CBS should be condemning these toxic fans, but for all we know they are paying some of them to defend it.
Who would have ever thought in a million years.. that Star Trek having been molested and defiled for decades by HORRIBLE spin-offs.... would end up being saved by a "Galaxy Qwest" esque' independent show by a cartoon comedian!!! And it ends up being the TRUE spiritual successor to TNG.. You can't make this stuff up!
Keep in mind you're comparing 50 critics to 8000 audience members. Also consider the type of people willing to take the time to post a review. The audience score on RT doesn't reflect the opinions of the average audience member not on RT. The audience viewership ratings for the season 2 premiere were down from the season 1 premiere, but higher than the average episode last year. Although to be fair season 1 had a pretty big premiere at 8million+. Season 2 premiere ratings were 5.6 million. Based on those numbers though is it possible that some audience members lost interest after the 1st season? Granted you also have to take into account things such as premiere date, competition, and many other factors. By comparison... The Walking Dead season 2 premiere improved upon its season 1 premiere ratings, from 5.3 to 7.2 million. 9-1-1 (also on FOX) ratings for its season 2 premiere also improved upon its season 1 premiere, from 6.8 to 9.8 million.
Orville is a love letter to TNG. You can tell how much Macfarlane respects and admires the show this one is based on. I hope they make it to 7 seasons. Side Note - I especially love the way they show these are "the other guys" in space exploration. Like how Classical concertos are replaced by Karaoke Night xD.
Macfarlane had tried heading a new Star Trek series years ago but was too tied up with Family Guy's success and his other endeavors plus he was pretty much rejected. The way he described sounded like he wanted to take it back to the TNG era with social commentary and all that. I was sad to hear that it would never happen. Now I'm super glad it never happened. They can be as creative as they want with their own license versus having to bend to the whims of all that's tied to the Star Trek license.
@@lucidexistance1 I think MacFarlane's previous pitch being rejected is probably why he initially billed The Orville as a comedic parody of Star Trek. Allegedly, MacFarlane feared that if he pitched The Orville as a serious sci-fi, it would be rejected. I think this is probably why all of the trailers prior to S1 depicted it almost exclusively as a comedy, bordering on being similar to Galaxy Quest. However, we later learned that the scenes in the trailers were actually isolated moments that were separated by wide swaths of serious drama akin to TNG. As the season progressed, the comedy continued to get dialed back. So far, S2 has almost been completely devoid of any comedy. MacFarlane said in an interview that in response to audiences approving of the more serious tone in S1, he would be focusing more on sci-fi stories in S2 and less on comedy. A series writer that sees what audiences respond positively to and doubles down on it.....what a novel approach. Now if only Chibnall could learn the same lesson...
@@sixstanger00 Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Awesome! Although I'll admit I found myself laughing in season 2 as well. Like how the "Mucklins?" I don't know the spelling at the moment, but the divorce scene was funny as hell. After it was explained at first. "He did nothing wrong, he was divorcing me!"
It's basically Star Trek but better. It dared to ask "what if The Next Generation was populated with real people, not perfect caricatures who only listen to classical music?" Edit: okay, classical music and really stiff jazz.
@@EvgeneXI sure, same here. But I don't just listen to classical music. My point was that there's no way that everybody in the future has the same sophisticated tastes.
We've seen careers ruined on Twitter these last few years, public apologies, doxing, witch hunting and outrage sharing, there's an entire section of media based on generating more outrage like this. The people who propagate this kind of thing are an extremely small section of society(about 8-10% according to surveys and research a while ago) but they're loud as hell and clearly influential enough to routinely ruin people's lives. A significant, if only in influence, portion of modern western society is there already. Hopefully the backlash against it from normal thinking people is enough.
I actually wasn't as concerned as most people when I heard about Seth and The Orville. Seth is a huge film/TV fan, more importantly a huge star trek fan. I assumed he had a lot of respect for the series, it's creators/writes and it's actors. I figured the last thing he would do would make it a laughing stock or bring any sort of shame to the series. To me, when I heard what he was doing, I felt it was being done as a tribute. Glad to see that it is even better than I hoped.
I kinda feel like Seth himself is surprised at how successful it was. The fact that a lot of old Strek regulars are flocking to the series gives me hope that it will continue.
MacFarlane is actually a genius. He is super intelligent and interested in science. If you aren't aware, he was the one who approached Fox and pushed for a new Cosmos, and after they finally he agreed, he also approached Tyson to host it, and is the executive producer of Cosmos.
He patterned the show after the format of MASH. A serious show to be taken seriously, but the people are imperfect, fallible and ordinary. They goof up and goof around. They have issues and they make jokes. Perfection.
I love this comparison. That's how i see the show, it's serious on the surface what with there everyday lives but of course you'll have some people playing around and joking cause that's just how people are.
well the krill do have those fancy suits and helmets but yeah sound reasoning there to make it uber bright in case one of their visors breaks or they lose their helmet, boom, all over.
I'm glad they steered clear of the grim!dark "everything looks like the depths of Carlsbad Caverns because reasons" approach far too many sci-fi properties have flocked to of late. Stargate:Universe gnawed on my last nerve with its insistence on presenting everything as though it was filmed in a coal-mine with a kid's night-light as the sole source of illumination. People would literally disappear from view into a largely featureless coal-sack background when not appearing to float around like bodiless heads. What was especially frustrating was the ton of money obviously poured into the sets disappeared on-screen, only becoming apparent when BTS photos were published. Ugh.
I forced myself through the first 2 episodes of the orville, which are almost insufferable for someone who doesn't like slapstick humor. From episode 3 onwards they reduce the slapstick comedy to more mature jokes and the becomes amazing. I'm glad I stuck with it. Orville > STD
The Orville had great plans but had to shake off the 'Star Trek' Lawyers by looking foolish in the first episodes. So The Doctor and Her children 'lost in space', was the first great Episode. The Child Actors are Adorable and the Doc was truly wonderful. The plot was truly exciting. Poker is it? Lawyers be damned
@@icepicjoey Trek story is not canon unless directed to tv media. Like TOS, TNG, DS9, DVY. Non-tv media like the novels are their own separate universe. Dumbass.
@@XSilver_WaterX ok so "trek story is not cannon unless directed to tv media." Okay... so I need to try to translate your statement. So your context is something to do with canon. Which there are no posts here referring to the orville as canon... And So far no one here thinks its ST canon as far as I've seen. So WTF are you talking about? Asshat....
I love their starship! There is a hidden joke in it. Look carefully at the ship from behind when its leaving in the opposite direction. It appears to be laughing; that is so great about the show. It offers up a good time and has no need to take itself seriously like so many sci-fi shows do. Yet the writing, direction, special effects and finally the acting is so professional. GOOD JOB, SETH! CONTINUE!
So true. Many of the SFX reminded me of SG Atlantis. What we have with The Orville is a show written by a guy that is in love with the subject matter, clearly loved Sci Fi and just wanted to make his own show in the vein of TV greats such as Farscape, Trek, Star Gate. The result is we have have been given a show that is really really good. I am loving the Orville
@@Charok1 and that is your opinion. According to this comment section and rotten tomatoes, you're clearly in the minority. Over 90% of the audience like the Orville.
If that's your take on Discovery then you clearly haven't watched the show. Discovery is a thousand times more interesting than the Snoreville. But you go ahead with your safe-as-milk Next Gen cosplay
@@christheghostwriter A true Star Trek fan wouldn't sound so hateful as you do, I hope you get lost in the Mycelial Network with your hateful Disco friends.
I HATE Seth Mc's other stuff, but on receiving a copy of the Orville Season 1 DVDs for Christmas, I watched it. I realized that there is one HUGE difference between Star Trek and the Orville. This ship isn't the Union/Federation Flagship. These are the other guys, the ones the Enterprise has to sail in and avenge or rescue. They are deeply flawed individuals who none the less are going to give their all for their ship, their crew and the Union. These flaws and the character growth to overcome them is part of the fun. The fact they can put aside their problems and work on the mission was also part of the show, from the first episode. They'll never be good enough to man the heavy cruisers (Enterprise class) and this is also noted, but they're pretty good. So if you were expecting the Enterprise and are getting the Orville you aren't getting THE best, but you'll be getting THEIR best.
@Roger Wilco >Voyager There's about 3-5 episodes of voyager per season that are worth watching, and at least the same number that should be avoided like a plague. You want good trek? DS9. Only episode you should definitely skip in the whole show is s01e09; the rest range from pretty good to the best damn trek you will ever see.
@@goodnewsgeek42 They made them out to be very bad, a father greaving wanting his wife back is bad, his father who had to go for reasons we don't no is bad, the Orville, we know her husband is dead, it is not bad for her because we know what it's like and she is a strong woman but men are potrade so badly in doctor who when it comes to single parenting
Spot on review, it’s somewhat ironic the video ends with the assertion that The Orville is Star Trek in all but name, because I find STD is Star Trek in name only. STD is so cold, sterile and joyless that I really don’t care much that it’s coming back. The Orville on the other hand- I haven’t been so excited to see Star Trek since the heydays of the Berman era! Now if you’ll excuse me, I’ve had a lot to drink and need to take a Ja’loja...
For me the thing the makes Star Trek what it is, is that it portrays a somewhat idealized vision of the future, that most of humanity's problems have been dealt with and things are overall good. There are still problem out there (often modern day problems with sci-fi window dressing), big ones sometimes; but with technical know-how and a can-do spirit, we can boldly go out into the unknown knowing we can solve those problems.
@Daniel Appleton It won't get the Firefly treatment. Seth has a LOT of pull with FOX. Via Family Guy he has made them a shit ton of money and if you consider the budget of The Orville it ONLY exists because Seth told FOX he wanted to make it. They would have turned down the concept had it been proposed by literally anyone else.
He writes, he directs, he acts, he writes and sings songs, he can dance, play instruments... he is a multi tasking genius compared to the window lickers over at STD.
Yeah I just think often times he needs help. He’s good but I agree with ralphthemoviemaker that he does better with people helping him out rather than 100% him. That and he probably does better in a shorter format. Yeah I really love the dude though; I wish I was one fourth as talented as him.
@Backstage Bum To be fair, when he was like 25, he got hired to create one of the most popular adult animated series of all time, earning him millions in the process just off that alone. If mid-20s you suddenly got millions of dollars and massive fame for creating your content that you wanted to create, and you were a jerk, how likely would you want to change who you are?
The bad part is: Se don't have hulu in Brazil... only Netflix and Amazon prime, I have tô download in torrent to watch it, I can watch, buy I'm not giving views/rising it's audience points, I feel like... blammed
@@mariooli9268 I tried to find an answer for you and couldn't. What you can do is get a VPN. That will allow you to get a USA IP address and stream hulu.
The "official" TLA for Star Trek Discovery is "DSC" (as put forth by CBS) but no one uses it. As far as I'm concerned "STD" is a much more accurate TLA for that trash.
Just like everyone didn't like DS9, and then Voyager, and then Enterprise, and then Discovery. Also no Star Trek has ever used Star Trek as part of it's TLA. CBS is right in their choice. TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, DSC
The episode with the child and gender change actually surprised me a bit and pretty much cemented my opinion of The Orville. It was far more serious than you would have expected from MacFarlane and showed what the Orville could do with both drama and comedy. The ending actually surprised me as well. If this had been older Trek (like TNG, etc) I honestly don't think the ending would have been as (potentially) realistic as the episode ending was. Love this series and hope it stays good and around for a long time.
Right I have a slight left lean and some of the episodes had me questioning what I would do. I like how on the ones that do that no matter what happens no side feels "right" it Is just people dealing with the choice they made.
@@johnmarks227 I think you might be confusing the Tim Allen movie Galaxy Quest with something else. A show? This movie was very much like Orville: a comedy that serves as a fun sci fi fantasy: www.imdb.com/title/tt0177789/?ref_=nv_sr_1
@@johnmarks227 It's a 1999 1 hour 42 min movie spoofing Star Trek. The topic is that they had been an early 1980s TV show that was canceled. To make ends meet, the actors now do conventions like Shatner et. al. do in real life. Space Aliens have been receiving transmissions of the show and think it is real: that they are watching "historical documents". So when they need the help of that "crew" they build a real model of the ship from the show and talk the actors into helping them. It was especially funny to me and mine as we adore Star Trek, conventions, and show business in general as well as Sci Fi. Side splittingly hilarious to us while serving as really good Sci Fi Fantasy. I hope you get to see it.
The biggest difference between the Oroville and discovery/Picard is that the writers care about the source material. Seth loves star trek and did his best to not ruin it's image. Discover hates star trek and wants to use it to push "The message"
I really wish people would stop referring to _The Orville_ as "The Real Star Trek." The people who own the rights to Star Trek had its chance to have the Orville as part of its universe. They refused. They lost the right to be connected to the Orville.
Space...The Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the Starship Orville. Its continuing mission: To continue the real Star Trek adventures inspired by Gene Roddenberry's visions. To seek first contacts with new aliens and civilizations while having lots of fun. To boldly go where no Trek has gone before!!
Loved it from day one, also remembered Seth's short appearances on two episodes of Enterprise as an engineer. STD's first season wasn't filling the Trek void after Enterprise's sudden death, I most admit that the second season of Discovery story wise looks more like the Star Trek I've always enjoyed and loved since my childhood.
Great video, you hit the nail on the head. Old Trek asked a question of the audience, it didn't tell them the answer. It challenged you to think for yourself about any given social issue, they didn't tell you what to think.
@@fahrradhupe3911 Technically yes. BUT the big difference was that the in every other Trek setting, the story came first. Sure there was always a message there but the message was part of the story. In STD it is the other way round. It is Social Justice first and story second. They see STD as a mans to convey SJ first and foremost. FFS they seem to have just plagarised an old video game for most of the central plot line. That how little time they spend on story telling, what they care about is the propaganda and that comes through loud and clear watching that show.
I was born the week TOS went on the air. I have been a Trek fan my whole life. I love Discovery and am happy they are trying new things. You can keep your Snoreville next-gen cosplay with its recycled Trek scripts and "Weekly Adventures of the Bridge Crew and Their Magical Reset Button" storytelling.
You mean the only two people don't whine about. Look, I get people have certain tastes, but I enjoyed Enterprise, Voyager (mostly), and the JJ verse (by accepting its an alternate timeline). Even STD could work if it wasn't called Star Trek. And what do I get for that? People looking down on me like I'm a dog turd on their show. I respect what they watch, why can't they do the same. Sorry for the rant, needed to get it off my chest.
@@mattevans4377 You can like bad things, Matt, but that doesn't change what they are. If you're not part of the crowd screaming at the fans like it's their fault they don't like these things, then don't take criticism of the shows themelves so damn personal.
Common, thats not really fair TNG and DS9 are serrious shows. Its easy to like "humorous" show like Orville, but to like serrious one as TNG or DS9, that means they are in fact better.
I also bought the season 1 DVD locally which ironically was found in the "Best of TV" section at the store. Whats funny is the cashier commented and asked "What is that a new Star Trek?" "I didn't know they were making new shows." I just lol'd and said yes.
I just now finished watching Orville for the first time (the pee episode). I would not have watched it at all except that earlier today I saw a positive review of the series on You Tube. My first reaction was "this is a comedy version of Star Trek and I am not into comedy scifi". My second reaction was "Well at least there is some interesting light drama included". My third reaction was "I could actually watch this and enjoy it for what it is". My conclusion was "It is better than "The Force Awakens", "The Last Jedi", the new "Doctor Who" and "Star Trek Discovery".
It is a rather boring episode of The Orville if not the worst of all series so far. Try Majority rule or If the stars should appear or Mad Idolatry or Krill episodes - so fantastic that I even remember the titles of them and I don't remember titles of most episodes in other series at all.
@@Dziki_z_Lasu I think the point the original poster was trying to make was that even the worst episode of Orville was better than the four aforementioned movies/shows.
Series 2 is really a good step up from one. One aspect of it that imakes it good is its simplicity. They are not afraid to show off a good slick looking future, and don't rely on light and shaky cams for everything.
What I like about the well lit and light coloured starship interiors of Trek and Orville, is that they look appropriate for a technical workplace where alertness is needed, but that should also be comfortable as well, but not too much to relax. Like a expensive rehabilitation hospital foyer and office that encourages calm but focused activity. STD sets would make you stressed within minutes with all the shadows and glare.
Foebane72 ikr? Still can't get over "Star Trek: [the] Disease". They could have used any name; Star Trek Endeavor, Star Trek Firefall, Star Trek GetPaid, whatever, but no!
Everyone loves the Orville... Except the pro critics. Exactly the opposite of Space Hillary, where pretty much the only ones who think the show is great are the pro critics. Can we find a British version of Seth to take over Doctor Who?
Or just give him the show? Is being British a requirement? Can't just have a British consultant to lend a hand while someone with a creative vision and passion for the genre tend to the writing? Like I may not be the biggest fan of his (Family Guy and American Dad I don't find as entertaining as people try to make it out to be, it has its moments, but that's it), but I give credit where it's due and if he's as passionate and in the know about Doctor Who as he is with Star Trek, then I can see him bringing the series back to form.
@@Tysakasa I am a fan of Family Guy, and if you look at some of the plots especially involving Stewie you can see Seth would have the imagination to write Dr Who. And act in it. I am English by the way.
I reckon the best parodies (is The Orville really a parody though?) have to come from a place of sincerity and love for the source material. Look at Young Frankenstein or Shaun of the Dead - both brilliantly funny but with a straight faced enthusiasm for their sources. It's a matter of respect, dammit!
One nice thing that he does is that he start some of the most serious situations kind of like a joke, like having a christmas movie change the opinion of Bortus (not a super serious argument with some super self rightious speech), or having the super serious strong dude hatching an egg like a chicken, that sneaks in a serious conversation. In that way, he kind of disarms the audience a little bit. The fact that they don't take themself too serious is very much a plus. It has the same mood of shows like stargate in that sense.
He's right, I slept while trying to watch Star Trek and enjoyed myself in front of the Orville, but I was also interested by the way they asked questions, without giving a definitive answer, wich sparkled interesting debate between me and my wife instead of just being beaten over the head with the same recurrent moral shows are broadcasting these days. They don't want you to think, they want you to nod and shut up. But when all you do is nod on an ideology and stop thinking trough before applying it, that when it's path diverge toward extreme and grave mistakes. But beyong that, the show is cool to watch, wich is the first thing peoples should worry about when choosing where to spend their limited times.
I never thought i'd say this... Can Fox please renegotiate the rights for Doctor Who, hire Seth as show runner and cast Paul McGann to give us the late 1990s Doctor Who series we never saw?
I rarely comment on non-DIY forums, but this is spot on. I despised McFarland until "Music is Better Than Words". He is a brilliant vocalist. It led me to re-examine his efforts in TV/FILM. I still don't care for most of those efforts, but The Orville delights. It embodies everything Star Trek to me, with a dash of slapstick, but it works. I appreciate season two's tone and I think The Orville is now hitting its stride. Excellent video!
@@Assassin1959 It goes even deeper than that I feel. S2 E1 showed the guys kowtowing to the females in search of love, but who would waste their time with the real world when you could have every fantasy on the holodeck.
I agree completely. The episodes are a lot less flashy and action packed more cerebral and I was worried that it wouldn't find its audience. But I'm pleasantly surprised how many people out there are like me and see it for what it really is, the true successor to TNG.
"sir, the targeting sensors can't distinguish the 2 ships -"
The captain : "do enie-minie-miney-mo."
Does Bortus even know what that is?
@@JohnSmith-bw7cx Something tells me that wasn't the first time it had happened.
@@TheObsoletist33, I hope so, otherwise it would be like Data telling a Klingon that he intended to piggy back a transmission on a Romulan transmission. He then had to explain that it was a human metaphor for using the Romulan transmission as a carrier wave.
John Smith evident in context 😊
@@JohnSmith-bw7cx Probably, there was that night they spent talking about games till the captain wound up in sickbay with a shank through his hand.
seth mcfarland went to paramont and proposed a new trek series, they rejected his idea and went with std. so seth created the orville.
Orville and Expanse = best SF shows of the last 10 years.
i would add dark matter to that list aswell, buuuut it never got to finish its run n when had chance the actors etc had new contracts and some jus had new lives x) but yes to the point of your post orville crushes it i was so psyched to see a season 3 @new horizons!! love that mcfarlane picked up where they left off aswell rather than jumping around like some shows do tryna make you guess what happened in the time gap they add between seasons so to speak
It seems so right to refer to Star Trek: Discovery as “STD”.
@Tracey Taggart 😂
Because it is meant for adults rather than incels? I'd say that's...actually appropriate. I have watched all Trek and I actually like STD. I don't know what's wrong with so many other deranged types. Orville is not "Trek"; it is a fan spoof that adds very little to the minds of anyone (including the adolescent white male). Sorry.
MacFarland should take over Star Trek at this point. Maybe it will be better.
@Skippy the Alien he wasn't dragged in it he doesn't want to return to a Gene R, Star Trek.
@@wj3186 "it is a fan spoof" literally partly written by Brannon fucking Braga, the fucker who did anything fron TNG til Enterprise
I like to think of The Orville as what the other ships were doing when the Enterprise was off doing Star Trek things.
Also Star Trek: Lower Decks. Which is the most Star Trek of the current actual Star Treks IMHO
Just imagine Enterprise hailing another ship for assistance in something only to recieve a response from the Orville that says "The ship is momentarily inoperational, the computer has a virus from when an officer downloaded shady porn"
Turns out Lower Decks is what Star Trek fans expected the Orville to be.
What was that?
@@MegaSpideyman unfunny and edgy humored trash set in a futuristic utopian scifi world.
@@cytorakdemon Ah, ok.
What's telling about the Orville is it's rating on Rotten Tomatoes, the critics loath this show but the fans myself included absolutely love it. I think this shows just how out of touch Mainstream media is & what fans actually want to watch.They have forgotten the Golden Rule Entertain first, and if you preach, let the story do the preaching on its own.
Also shows how the critics have once again, been caught with the hand in the shill jar!
For me it's not so much that many ideologically-compromised critics are "out of touch" but that they are _willingly_ so and quite prepared to forfeit what little integrity they have left in maintaining it....
Rotten Tomatoes has been suspect for a long time now. These reviewers are taking perks to hype junk and we know it. The Orville is a love letter from Seth to ST fans and he treats the material with reference and a bit of off color humor which is perfect.
And it's the opposite for STD. Good critics ratings and terrible fan ratings.
Now the viewers are bringing this down to Doctor Who Season 11's low level and critics give it a 70%
Really surprised by The Orville. With every episode it has worked it's way deeper into my heart. Never shys away from serious story lines, but also keeps a great balance between the original series sense of fun and wonder and the later series dramatic integrity. All credit to Seth for investing his considerable acting talent into the role of Ed Mercer. Fantastic supporting cast and production values too! Here's to many more series.
When a joke not only makes you laugh but think as well then you’ve struck gold. When Seth MacFarlanes character asked Isaac if their race is legendarily racist, that made me laugh and think back to data, did data ever have a superiority complex towards his fellow crew men? The answer is obviously no because he always wanted to be accepted by his crew man and wanted to know and understand human feeling and emotions.
The difference between Data and Isaac is that Data did not come from an entire society of robots and was not programmed to consider humans and other organic races inferior. Isaac is not only mechanical, but also part of a hive mind, like the Borg and the Dominion.
The Borg tested Data's programming rules architechture robustness, it's final frontier. Isaac IS the Borg without the organic parasitic dependance of a host but a hacked pure automata AI collective entity severed from the heirarchic hive, for now.
@@Opinionatoronline Data was meant to be more human and an individual, just missing emotions. Look at Lore, give him
a more human paint job and he would have blended in fine ,other than being a psychopath.
Personally, I consider MacFarlane to be the "Terry Nation" of this century. You may or may not be aware, but Nation was the writer who originally created the Daleks in Doctor Who, and also created the fantastic British sci-fi series Blake's 7. Like MacFarlane, Nation established himself initially as a comedy writer, yet ended up making a huge contribution to science fiction.
Macfarlane comes from the same age as we do. Like us, he grew up on TOS, TNG, DS9, etc, Doctor Who, etc so he has a fundamental understanding of what makes both quality science fiction and television. After seeing the first season of The Orville, I so desperately wanted to speak with him personally and thank him for his work on the series. It deserves far more recognition that it gets.
But by the third season, all was lost. Sad.
The Orville has rapidly become my favourite show.
Love this show. Just binged watched it on HULU. Fun show.
Same! I couldn’t imagine a more worthy TNG successor by now.
It is my favourite now, I started it with a " ha ..let's try a parody then "
I agree
If I were living in the Star Trek future I'd probably act just like they do on the Orville.
Just remembered the missing leg prank. Best laugh i had on the show :).
Isaac is the badass of the ship. Hands down.
gusty9053 That was genius. xD
Oh yeah this one was so good.
@Daniel Appleton It's a stale trope, especially in a trek-esque setting. Glad they ditched it for simply a passing interest in understanding his mates.
Thank goodness it was only his LEG xD
You know, when they announced Discovery I was cautiously optimistic. I didn't really care who was on both sides of the camera. I wanted to drop to my parents for a dinner and watch an episode of Star Trek with them, as we did when I was a kid on the good old telly.
I paid no attention to naysayers when they criticized the premise of 'main character' on a Star Trek show. I could see the show opening with a 'fish out of water' character we'd experience the world with - after all, there is a new generation of fans who might not know much about Star Trek. Having a protagonist that learns it with them could work just fine.
And then I saw the pilot... and the episode after the pilot.
And then I forced myself through 3rd episode... and the 4th.
At that point, I gave up. I actually showed the pilot to my mum (the person who introduced me to Star Trek, to begin with!) but she disliked it. It was loud, chaotic, flashy and to quote her own words "The Klingons would look better if they went back to their TOS costumes."
Orville on the other hand - while spiked with sometimes really immature humour - was like the breath of old air. Old, good air that carried a scent of simple stories tackling greater real-life issues.
I wanted to love Star Trek: Discovery.
And for what it's worth, I enjoy acting on that show.
But the premise and execution weren't Star Trek at all. And it hurt something inside of me that I didn't even know existed.
You sir are a true fan and you understand the universe that The Great Bird brought to the screen.
I'm a strong conservative, and yet I love The Orville. It's obvious that The Orville is liberal leaning, but where it differs from much of modern media is the fact that its politics are incorporated properly into the plot rather than shoehorned in, and it handles politically charged topics thoughtfully rather than ramming them down our throats. Good sci-fi should spark discourse, not outrage.
I think season one had at least 2 episodes that were sort of pushing Atheism (3 including the Krill ship one) but it was more lingering in the background versus being shoved down everyone's throats. Making a good story came first.
Seth MacFarlane is one of the few non-liberals in Hollywood.
@Sam Seth is Liberal , he isn't SJW Leftist.
I think it's about the writers(s) genuinely wanting to explore certain situations and being able to do it well, then simply putting them in for woke points (i.e Doctor Who).
So even a show based on a brighter future issue with your kind. Oh boy well at least you like the show. Still if your what you say you are then the regular Star Trek with all its violence and dystopia future should be what your seeking.
So you’re saying that a show incorporating social issues into well written scripts, with intelligence, and subtlety - while fairly presenting both sides of the argument - is actually more entertaining than one that doesn’t bother to find good stories, but instead takes a hard line stance for only one side, then constantly smashes the viewers over the head with it.....? That’s crazy talk! 🤪
Actually, that sounds pretty good to me, haven’t seen it yet, but I’m going to definitely check out The Orville. 👍
"But but but... Star Trek was _always_ progressive!"
Artamus Sumatra Great time to jump in, too. Season 2 is coming out soon.
You will love it. I thought the 1st 2 episodes were a bit meh! But as said here the 3rd story with Bortus's daughter was the one that clicked with me and from then it hit high gear
I absolutely *_love_*_ The Orville._ I'm confident you will too. There are too many good episodes in Season 1 to pick just one as my favorite. And I am so looking forward to watching Season 2. So happy it didn't get cancelled.
Artamus Sumatra wouldn't that be great if Discovery did this? Shame you can't bring that up without being attacked and dismissed. CBS should be condemning these toxic fans, but for all we know they are paying some of them to defend it.
"Idenity" part 1 and 2, were solid and amazing episodes.
Just watched them last night, holy hell that was a rollercoaster
I just wish this show didn't push gay agenda.
@@mikeymcmikeface5599 yea...but this weeks episode was actually good. loved that burn that ed mercer gave to the mochlans
True they were favorite
@@mikeymcmikeface5599 There is no "gay agenda".
Who would have ever thought in a million years.. that Star Trek having been molested and defiled for decades by HORRIBLE spin-offs.... would end up being saved by a "Galaxy Qwest" esque' independent show by a cartoon comedian!!! And it ends up being the TRUE spiritual successor to TNG.. You can't make this stuff up!
It's really also interesting to see more former Trek actors and writers show up for the Orville in some way than the actual Star Trek!
Cbs tried hard to stop that from happening.
@@icepicjoey uh? Really?
26% critic score! 93% audience score! Can we just fire all the critics now?
Bayformers - 85% audience score. Can we fire all the audiences now?
@@TheaterPup Nobody hires audiences in the first place.
No! We must rename “audience score” to “deplorables score!”
Keep in mind you're comparing 50 critics to 8000 audience members. Also consider the type of people willing to take the time to post a review. The audience score on RT doesn't reflect the opinions of the average audience member not on RT.
The audience viewership ratings for the season 2 premiere were down from the season 1 premiere, but higher than the average episode last year. Although to be fair season 1 had a pretty big premiere at 8million+. Season 2 premiere ratings were 5.6 million. Based on those numbers though is it possible that some audience members lost interest after the 1st season? Granted you also have to take into account things such as premiere date, competition, and many other factors.
By comparison...
The Walking Dead season 2 premiere improved upon its season 1 premiere ratings, from 5.3 to 7.2 million.
9-1-1 (also on FOX) ratings for its season 2 premiere also improved upon its season 1 premiere, from 6.8 to 9.8 million.
WonderfulFilms nobody with a brain care about them anyway
Humour HAS always been part of Trek...
"When I stroke the beard thusly... do I not appear more intellectual?"
Orville is a love letter to TNG. You can tell how much Macfarlane respects and admires the show this one is based on. I hope they make it to 7 seasons.
Side Note - I especially love the way they show these are "the other guys" in space exploration. Like how Classical concertos are replaced by Karaoke Night xD.
Why just 7 seasons? Why not 10 or 20?
@@Aar0nDavis "make it to 7" translates to me as hopeful to make that milestone but rather uncertain. No limit on more if it gets there.
Macfarlane had tried heading a new Star Trek series years ago but was too tied up with Family Guy's success and his other endeavors plus he was pretty much rejected. The way he described sounded like he wanted to take it back to the TNG era with social commentary and all that. I was sad to hear that it would never happen. Now I'm super glad it never happened. They can be as creative as they want with their own license versus having to bend to the whims of all that's tied to the Star Trek license.
@@lucidexistance1 I think MacFarlane's previous pitch being rejected is probably why he initially billed The Orville as a comedic parody of Star Trek. Allegedly, MacFarlane feared that if he pitched The Orville as a serious sci-fi, it would be rejected. I think this is probably why all of the trailers prior to S1 depicted it almost exclusively as a comedy, bordering on being similar to Galaxy Quest. However, we later learned that the scenes in the trailers were actually isolated moments that were separated by wide swaths of serious drama akin to TNG. As the season progressed, the comedy continued to get dialed back.
So far, S2 has almost been completely devoid of any comedy. MacFarlane said in an interview that in response to audiences approving of the more serious tone in S1, he would be focusing more on sci-fi stories in S2 and less on comedy.
A series writer that sees what audiences respond positively to and doubles down on it.....what a novel approach.
Now if only Chibnall could learn the same lesson...
@@sixstanger00 Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Awesome! Although I'll admit I found myself laughing in season 2 as well. Like how the "Mucklins?" I don't know the spelling at the moment, but the divorce scene was funny as hell. After it was explained at first. "He did nothing wrong, he was divorcing me!"
It's basically Star Trek but better. It dared to ask "what if The Next Generation was populated with real people, not perfect caricatures who only listen to classical music?"
Edit: okay, classical music and really stiff jazz.
... too far.
Or if it was populated with a captain that actually listened to the "Mozart of Warp Drives" instead of yelling at him to shut up whenever he spoke.
@@nomohakon6257 Not far enough!
To be fair mate I am an absolutely terrible specimen of a human being, but I do listen to classical music daily. Even trash appreciates quality.
@@EvgeneXI sure, same here. But I don't just listen to classical music. My point was that there's no way that everybody in the future has the same sophisticated tastes.
"Majority Rule" I think is a brilliant episode that should be shown in schools.
For China is too late, check their social credit system, Orwell must be spinning in his grave like crazy.
Ah yes, I really hope that is NOT where society is heading.
We've seen careers ruined on Twitter these last few years, public apologies, doxing, witch hunting and outrage sharing, there's an entire section of media based on generating more outrage like this.
The people who propagate this kind of thing are an extremely small section of society(about 8-10% according to surveys and research a while ago) but they're loud as hell and clearly influential enough to routinely ruin people's lives. A significant, if only in influence, portion of modern western society is there already. Hopefully the backlash against it from normal thinking people is enough.
That episode was incredible but also frightening because a lot of the ideas in that episode are happening now.
Personally I think if the stars should appear was better but so far all the episodes have been good
I actually wasn't as concerned as most people when I heard about Seth and The Orville. Seth is a huge film/TV fan, more importantly a huge star trek fan. I assumed he had a lot of respect for the series, it's creators/writes and it's actors.
I figured the last thing he would do would make it a laughing stock or bring any sort of shame to the series. To me, when I heard what he was doing, I felt it was being done as a tribute.
Glad to see that it is even better than I hoped.
I kinda feel like Seth himself is surprised at how successful it was. The fact that a lot of old Strek regulars are flocking to the series gives me hope that it will continue.
MacFarlane is actually a genius. He is super intelligent and interested in science. If you aren't aware, he was the one who approached Fox and pushed for a new Cosmos, and after they finally he agreed, he also approached Tyson to host it, and is the executive producer of Cosmos.
He patterned the show after the format of MASH. A serious show to be taken seriously, but the people are imperfect, fallible and ordinary. They goof up and goof around. They have issues and they make jokes.
Perfection.
I love M.A.S.H.!
I love this comparison. That's how i see the show, it's serious on the surface what with there everyday lives but of course you'll have some people playing around and joking cause that's just how people are.
Not to mention hogans heroes to an extent.
Why is the Orville so bright? It's an anti-Krill defense.
It's not even joke 100%. Finally someone explained why it's so dark on the bad guys ships.
Did anyone see a sign inside the Krill ship that said " no flash photography' ?
well the krill do have those fancy suits and helmets but yeah sound reasoning there to make it uber bright in case one of their visors breaks or they lose their helmet, boom, all over.
@@spaceflight1019 yep, fun little details like that give the world a 'lived in' feel to it
I'm glad they steered clear of the grim!dark "everything looks like the depths of Carlsbad Caverns because reasons" approach far too many sci-fi properties have flocked to of late. Stargate:Universe gnawed on my last nerve with its insistence on presenting everything as though it was filmed in a coal-mine with a kid's night-light as the sole source of illumination. People would literally disappear from view into a largely featureless coal-sack background when not appearing to float around like bodiless heads.
What was especially frustrating was the ton of money obviously poured into the sets disappeared on-screen, only becoming apparent when BTS photos were published. Ugh.
I forced myself through the first 2 episodes of the orville, which are almost insufferable for someone who doesn't like slapstick humor. From episode 3 onwards they reduce the slapstick comedy to more mature jokes and the becomes amazing. I'm glad I stuck with it.
Orville > STD
Season 2 is 3-4 times better because of all that. That show matured very quickly.
@Master Of Puppets You never saw it Troll
The Orville had great plans but had to shake off the 'Star Trek' Lawyers by looking foolish in the first episodes.
So The Doctor and Her children 'lost in space', was the first great Episode.
The Child Actors are Adorable and the Doc was truly wonderful. The plot was truly exciting. Poker is it? Lawyers be damned
@Master Of Puppets Then 'Hail the lord Trump! He will lead the world to a flatter America
I tried to like STD but i couldn't. I found the orville and fell in love after one episode.
Also the new Star Trek series is being sued for stealing the story.
*plagiarism
@@Wiromax3 Interesting. Which story?
@@MixolydianMode
Basically the entire plot
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Who the heck likes STD's? :-P
Star Trek: Orville
@Route 69 But then it would be entertaining again, and the halfwits who own it now don't want that.
Is it canon to TV, no? Then F*ck off!
@@XSilver_WaterX Is what cannon to what tv? Context matters.... jackass.
@@icepicjoey Trek story is not canon unless directed to tv media. Like TOS, TNG, DS9, DVY. Non-tv media like the novels are their own separate universe. Dumbass.
@@XSilver_WaterX ok so "trek story is not cannon unless directed to tv media."
Okay... so I need to try to translate your statement. So your context is something to do with canon.
Which there are no posts here referring to the orville as canon...
And So far no one here thinks its ST canon as far as I've seen.
So WTF are you talking about?
Asshat....
The show is absolutely bang on. Wasn't sure in first episode. But I gets better every episode.
Completely legit. It is an open love letter to Star Trek.
I love their starship! There is a hidden joke in it. Look carefully at the ship from behind when its leaving in the opposite direction. It appears to be laughing; that is so great about the show. It offers up a good time and has no need to take itself seriously like so many sci-fi shows do. Yet the writing, direction, special effects and finally the acting is so professional. GOOD JOB, SETH! CONTINUE!
Seth needs to get Tim Allen to guest star as another captain on the Orville
Should his catch phrase be “to infinity, and beyond!” ;-)
@@WouterCloetens No, it should be "Never give up, never surrender!"
That would be hilarious
Only if the ship is set to self-destruct and they manage to stop it with 1 second left.
OMG YES! This would be so amazing haha
The Orville is incredible so far
Someone told me about the Orville
I sat through both seasons in one go
Its AWESOME!!
That's a killer way to do it. Fantastic!
Seth is a hardcore trekker. He even got a cameo as an engineer.
I think it has a similar mix as Stargate, between the humour and drama.
So true. Many of the SFX reminded me of SG Atlantis. What we have with The Orville is a show written by a guy that is in love with the subject matter, clearly loved Sci Fi and just wanted to make his own show in the vein of TV greats such as Farscape, Trek, Star Gate. The result is we have have been given a show that is really really good. I am loving the Orville
except that Stargate is good and that is not
@@Charok1 and that is your opinion. According to this comment section and rotten tomatoes, you're clearly in the minority. Over 90% of the audience like the Orville.
@@Charok1 I love Stargate as well but I also love trek and the Orville fits that niche perfectly and the Expanse.
Bortus is often compared to Worf, but he's much more similar to Teal'c
I'd much rather live in the Orville universe than suffer through living in STD universe. It's so dark and everyone hates each other there in STD land.
If that's your take on Discovery then you clearly haven't watched the show. Discovery is a thousand times more interesting than the Snoreville. But you go ahead with your safe-as-milk Next Gen cosplay
@@christheghostwriter A true Star Trek fan wouldn't sound so hateful as you do, I hope you get lost in the Mycelial Network with your hateful Disco friends.
@@OneofInfinity. riiight, I'm the one who sounds "hateful." Get a grip.
STD sucks. Badly. Very badly.
"STD universe" sounds like a parallel dimension where everyone has herpes, I guess that's why they're so angry all the time.
I HATE Seth Mc's other stuff, but on receiving a copy of the Orville Season 1 DVDs for Christmas, I watched it. I realized that there is one HUGE difference between Star Trek and the Orville. This ship isn't the Union/Federation Flagship. These are the other guys, the ones the Enterprise has to sail in and avenge or rescue. They are deeply flawed individuals who none the less are going to give their all for their ship, their crew and the Union.
These flaws and the character growth to overcome them is part of the fun. The fact they can put aside their problems and work on the mission was also part of the show, from the first episode. They'll never be good enough to man the heavy cruisers (Enterprise class) and this is also noted, but they're pretty good. So if you were expecting the Enterprise and are getting the Orville you aren't getting THE best, but you'll be getting THEIR best.
NK_33 - you got it. Even their ship is named after the quiet, introspective Wright brother, not the extroverted one.
So...they're Voyager? Though that was the most technologically advanced ship of the federation, when it set out at least.
@@IzzySarru They're probably the class the Intrepid-class (Voyager) replaced.
Went into the show expecting family guy
Stayed for stellar writing, fantastic characters and my first introduction to a Star Trek like series!
@Roger Wilco >Voyager
There's about 3-5 episodes of voyager per season that are worth watching, and at least the same number that should be avoided like a plague.
You want good trek? DS9. Only episode you should definitely skip in the whole show is s01e09; the rest range from pretty good to the best damn trek you will ever see.
Lol. Star Trek like series. Guess again. It's a Galaxy Quest like series.
@6:28..."Real STAR TREK is about hope"...so true...
Doctor Who: You can not be a single parent that is wrong
The Orville: Being a single parent is hard but I do it because I love my kids
No.
@@kepeb1 No?
When did Doctor Who ever say anything about being a single parent being wrong???
@@goodnewsgeek42 They made them out to be very bad, a father greaving wanting his wife back is bad, his father who had to go for reasons we don't no is bad, the Orville, we know her husband is dead, it is not bad for her because we know what it's like and she is a strong woman but men are potrade so badly in doctor who when it comes to single parenting
Flamer997 Her husband isn't dead??? Are you just making shit up as you go along mate?
Spot on review, it’s somewhat ironic the video ends with the assertion that The Orville is Star Trek in all but name, because I find STD is Star Trek in name only.
STD is so cold, sterile and joyless that I really don’t care much that it’s coming back. The Orville on the other hand- I haven’t been so excited to see Star Trek since the heydays of the Berman era!
Now if you’ll excuse me, I’ve had a lot to drink and need to take a Ja’loja...
It's not a real Ja'loja unless we get to attend the "ceremony".
For me the thing the makes Star Trek what it is, is that it portrays a somewhat idealized vision of the future, that most of humanity's problems have been dealt with and things are overall good. There are still problem out there (often modern day problems with sci-fi window dressing), big ones sometimes; but with technical know-how and a can-do spirit, we can boldly go out into the unknown knowing we can solve those problems.
And it goes without saying that the dour tone and conspiracy minded show that is STD, it just doesn't feel like Trek.
@Daniel Appleton It won't get the Firefly treatment. Seth has a LOT of pull with FOX. Via Family Guy he has made them a shit ton of money and if you consider the budget of The Orville it ONLY exists because Seth told FOX he wanted to make it. They would have turned down the concept had it been proposed by literally anyone else.
Your review made my eyes Ja'loja with joy.
Seth MacFarlane is more talented than people give him credit for. The Orville is so much fun to watch.
He writes, he directs, he acts, he writes and sings songs, he can dance, play instruments... he is a multi tasking genius compared to the window lickers over at STD.
Yeah I just think often times he needs help. He’s good but I agree with ralphthemoviemaker that he does better with people helping him out rather than 100% him. That and he probably does better in a shorter format. Yeah I really love the dude though; I wish I was one fourth as talented as him.
But he's anti-trump. Why support him?
people give him credit lol. maybe not the dude on this didn't
@Backstage Bum To be fair, when he was like 25, he got hired to create one of the most popular adult animated series of all time, earning him millions in the process just off that alone. If mid-20s you suddenly got millions of dollars and massive fame for creating your content that you wanted to create, and you were a jerk, how likely would you want to change who you are?
I have one huge issue with The Orville. I don't know where I can stream it.
Hulu.
I pay for Hulu primarily for Orville.
The bad part is: Se don't have hulu in Brazil... only Netflix and Amazon prime, I have tô download in torrent to watch it, I can watch, buy I'm not giving views/rising it's audience points, I feel like... blammed
@@mariooli9268 I tried to find an answer for you and couldn't. What you can do is get a VPN. That will allow you to get a USA IP address and stream hulu.
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Lol, I can’t stop laughing every time you say “STD” instead of Star Trek: Discovery, that acronym is perfect!
You get an STD by watching it. What the hell did they do to star trek.
The "official" TLA for Star Trek Discovery is "DSC" (as put forth by CBS) but no one uses it. As far as I'm concerned "STD" is a much more accurate TLA for that trash.
Me too, constantly shaking my head over people using it. :P~
The phrase "pre-STD Trek" is killing me! 🤣👍
Just like everyone didn't like DS9, and then Voyager, and then Enterprise, and then Discovery. Also no Star Trek has ever used Star Trek as part of it's TLA. CBS is right in their choice. TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, DSC
The episode with the child and gender change actually surprised me a bit and pretty much cemented my opinion of The Orville. It was far more serious than you would have expected from MacFarlane and showed what the Orville could do with both drama and comedy. The ending actually surprised me as well. If this had been older Trek (like TNG, etc) I honestly don't think the ending would have been as (potentially) realistic as the episode ending was. Love this series and hope it stays good and around for a long time.
The Orville reminds of the best of the Original Series. Often political, both sides presented, and the right amount of humor. It IS Star Trek.
Right I have a slight left lean and some of the episodes had me questioning what I would do. I like how on the ones that do that no matter what happens no side feels "right" it Is just people dealing with the choice they made.
Reminds me of Galaxy Quest
I agree, that wasn't a bad show either. I think this is a little better because of the people involved, some being connected to Star Trek.
@@johnmarks227 I think you might be confusing the Tim Allen movie Galaxy Quest with something else. A show? This movie was very much like Orville: a comedy that serves as a fun sci fi fantasy: www.imdb.com/title/tt0177789/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Ddin't they make a pilot for that as a tv show....could have been something else i'm thinking of.
Read the link and it was a show that got cancelled as I thought.
@@johnmarks227 It's a 1999 1 hour 42 min movie spoofing Star Trek. The topic is that they had been an early 1980s TV show that was canceled. To make ends meet, the actors now do conventions like Shatner et. al. do in real life. Space Aliens have been receiving transmissions of the show and think it is real: that they are watching "historical documents". So when they need the help of that "crew" they build a real model of the ship from the show and talk the actors into helping them. It was especially funny to me and mine as we adore Star Trek, conventions, and show business in general as well as Sci Fi. Side splittingly hilarious to us while serving as really good Sci Fi Fantasy. I hope you get to see it.
The biggest difference between the Oroville and discovery/Picard is that the writers care about the source material. Seth loves star trek and did his best to not ruin it's image. Discover hates star trek and wants to use it to push "The message"
I really wish people would stop referring to _The Orville_ as "The Real Star Trek." The people who own the rights to Star Trek had its chance to have the Orville as part of its universe. They refused. They lost the right to be connected to the Orville.
I had not heard that. Seth pitched this as a Star Trek spin off and was shot down?
Behind the scenes, they have had a lot of Star Trek alumni working on the show. It is very much a spiritual successor to Star Trek series.
I have read that they had a problem with copy right stuff and had to call it a parody. So not really star trek, but in the spirit of it all the way.
You know I never thought of it that way but I do have to agree.
We do it to troll and annoy Paramount, or whomever owns Star Trek now.
It's a GOOD thing, not a bad thing. 😈
Space...The Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the Starship Orville. Its continuing mission: To continue the real Star Trek adventures inspired by Gene Roddenberry's visions. To seek first contacts with new aliens and civilizations while having lots of fun. To boldly go where no Trek has gone before!!
LGranthamsHeir Nice !
@jdslyman Too bad he got his own Picard show now. Otherwise, he would've guest-starred in "The Orville" too :-(
Baaaz ha ha ha ha. It is nothing like Star Trek.
Loved it from day one, also remembered Seth's short appearances on two episodes of Enterprise as an engineer.
STD's first season wasn't filling the Trek void after Enterprise's sudden death, I most admit that the second season of Discovery story wise looks more like the Star Trek I've always enjoyed and loved since my childhood.
I love this show. So glad it’s been renewed. Seth Mac farlane you god
@James2802: "renewed" as in a 3rd season? *Please say yes*
Jaqen H'ghar I don’t know. Hopefully
@@thevexoffender8197 I'm confused, you said you were glad it was renewed. I thought perhaps it was renewed for a 3rd season. Oh well. #WishfulThinking
Jaqen H'ghar nah I meant glad it got renewed for season 2
@@thevexoffender8197 👍
Great video, you hit the nail on the head. Old Trek asked a question of the audience, it didn't tell them the answer. It challenged you to think for yourself about any given social issue, they didn't tell you what to think.
I love how they managed to take something like taking a pee and make it a serous ritual. Brilliant!
mitchcraft - it was a clever parody of the Vulcan Pon Farr (mating ritual).
I honestly think that Discovery was written by people who have never watched Star Trek, only ever read reviews and critiques of Star Trek.
Yeah. Discovery isn't Star Trek in any way. Enterprise either, but I think Scott Bacula was the wrong person for the job.
@@UnderMan Yeah, but I felt that the Enterprise writers at least tried to produce Star Trek. Discovery is just SJW propaganda with a Trekish theme.
@@Tenebrous76
Just a question. I also grew up with star trek...and...isnt the think behind it all...social Justice? Doesnt mean thst i like std
@@fahrradhupe3911 Technically yes. BUT the big difference was that the in every other Trek setting, the story came first. Sure there was always a message there but the message was part of the story. In STD it is the other way round. It is Social Justice first and story second. They see STD as a mans to convey SJ first and foremost. FFS they seem to have just plagarised an old video game for most of the central plot line. That how little time they spend on story telling, what they care about is the propaganda and that comes through loud and clear watching that show.
I was born the week TOS went on the air. I have been a Trek fan my whole life. I love Discovery and am happy they are trying new things. You can keep your Snoreville next-gen cosplay with its recycled Trek scripts and "Weekly Adventures of the Bridge Crew and Their Magical Reset Button" storytelling.
I think another reason for it being good is that there seems to be a character for each person’s liking in there, for each’s taste of humor.
The Orville now stands long side STNG and STDS9
You mean the only two people don't whine about.
Look, I get people have certain tastes, but I enjoyed Enterprise, Voyager (mostly), and the JJ verse (by accepting its an alternate timeline). Even STD could work if it wasn't called Star Trek.
And what do I get for that? People looking down on me like I'm a dog turd on their show. I respect what they watch, why can't they do the same.
Sorry for the rant, needed to get it off my chest.
Actually, I think The Orville is more like Voyager in tone and style than anything else. Those characters knew how to let their hair down a bit.
@@Meoknet watch the opening to the orville and voyager side by side, they're extremely similar. Voyager was clearly the template for the orville.
@@mattevans4377 You can like bad things, Matt, but that doesn't change what they are. If you're not part of the crowd screaming at the fans like it's their fault they don't like these things, then don't take criticism of the shows themelves so damn personal.
Common, thats not really fair TNG and DS9 are serrious shows. Its easy to like "humorous" show like Orville, but to like serrious one as TNG or DS9, that means they are in fact better.
Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Orville...
Sounds so right.
Except for the ship name, it makes me think of popcorn, would need a name like Endeavor or Victory IMO.
@tylerx2f01 Surely the sister ship would be named _Wilbur_
@@ReddwarfIV Nah, sister ship should be Cuddles and/or Keith Harris.
God, I'm old: ua-cam.com/video/lcip1SYmfAY/v-deo.html
I read that in Patrick Stewart's voice.
You misspelled that. “Orville. Sounds so Wright.”
I also bought the season 1 DVD locally which ironically was found in the "Best of TV" section at the store. Whats funny is the cashier commented and asked "What is that a new Star Trek?" "I didn't know they were making new shows." I just lol'd and said yes.
I just now finished watching Orville for the first time (the pee episode). I would not have watched it at all except that earlier today I saw a positive review of the series on You Tube. My first reaction was "this is a comedy version of Star Trek and I am not into comedy scifi". My second reaction was "Well at least there is some interesting light drama included". My third reaction was "I could actually watch this and enjoy it for what it is". My conclusion was "It is better than "The Force Awakens", "The Last Jedi", the new "Doctor Who" and "Star Trek Discovery".
It is a rather boring episode of The Orville if not the worst of all series so far. Try Majority rule or If the stars should appear or Mad Idolatry or Krill episodes - so fantastic that I even remember the titles of them and I don't remember titles of most episodes in other series at all.
@@Dziki_z_Lasu the Krill episode is my favorite!
@@Dziki_z_Lasu I think the point the original poster was trying to make was that even the worst episode of Orville was better than the four aforementioned movies/shows.
J Scott Upton - I watched a few and was unimpressed. But I have different standards than many.
The nine remaining Discovery fans have viewed this video
As today is 159 - perhaps critics came and down vote?
Don't know why The Orville hasn't been on my radar. This great 'tube has convinced me I'm really missing out. Thanks!
I love Red Dwarf and I love Star Trek so the way the Orville balances comedy and drama into sci-fi it's only natural for me to love it too.
Isaac is 50% Data and 50% Sheldon Cooper. The Doctor was Kasidy Yates on DS9
More like 45% Data, 45% Sheldon, 10% HK-47.
The Doctor is a maquis spy? Omg 🤣
Penny got to work with Shatner in an episode of _TJ Hooker_ in '84.
@@BBFPV and on the show "24" the doctor was president Palmer wife.
THIS IS WHY ITS ALL SHIT
IF YOU WANT THE OLD STUFF GO WATCH IT
Series 2 is really a good step up from one. One aspect of it that imakes it good is its simplicity. They are not afraid to show off a good slick looking future, and don't rely on light and shaky cams for everything.
Only watched this video now. The Orville is a Love Letter to the original Start Trek
I like Star Trek Discovery as much as any other STD.
Final episode of STD, they should be defeated by IKS Penicillin...
Cunny funt... Love it.
Mateo Sid - so what? I find them funny. Always. Until the end of time. Sooo, you can shove your OMG guysss somewhere dark and moist.
At least other STDs start with something fun...
@@jammin023 Star Trek is supposed to be fun too.
The pilot, the red head guy was also in an episode of Star Trek: TNG
What I like about the well lit and light coloured starship interiors of Trek and Orville, is that they look appropriate for a technical workplace where alertness is needed, but that should also be comfortable as well, but not too much to relax.
Like a expensive rehabilitation hospital foyer and office that encourages calm but focused activity.
STD sets would make you stressed within minutes with all the shadows and glare.
Star Trek is not dead.It lives within the Orville!
No. it lives inside the Black Mirror en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Callister
Took the words right outta myself, broham.
Excellent job.
You, sir, are so right! STD is crap ... The Orville is the new Trek. Can't wait for season three!
I 100% agree that The Orville is TRUE Star Trek. Much better than that Sexually-Transmitted Disease. Ugh.
Foebane72 ikr? Still can't get over "Star Trek: [the] Disease". They could have used any name; Star Trek Endeavor, Star Trek Firefall, Star Trek GetPaid, whatever, but no!
I still enjoy STD, it's not real Star trek, more a star trek themed space action, but that's ok because we've got real star trek back in the Orville.
Still just tv shows though
It can't compare to Star Trek. Have you even seen any episodes of Star Trek?
This is Galaxy Quest in a TV series.
At least they gave the new star trek an appropriate name. It certainly deserves to be called S.T.D.
Discovery has the perfect name because it is an STD
Lasting Impression should have been nominated for a HUGO!
Everyone loves the Orville... Except the pro critics. Exactly the opposite of Space Hillary, where pretty much the only ones who think the show is great are the pro critics.
Can we find a British version of Seth to take over Doctor Who?
Seth could do it.
Or just give him the show? Is being British a requirement? Can't just have a British consultant to lend a hand while someone with a creative vision and passion for the genre tend to the writing? Like I may not be the biggest fan of his (Family Guy and American Dad I don't find as entertaining as people try to make it out to be, it has its moments, but that's it), but I give credit where it's due and if he's as passionate and in the know about Doctor Who as he is with Star Trek, then I can see him bringing the series back to form.
@@Tysakasa McFarland is pretty busy already... I'm not sure if he's into Who, although there have been references to it on Family Guy.
He likely watched it on pbs over here, judging from some of the other shows he watched that he has talked about.
@@Tysakasa I am a fan of Family Guy, and if you look at some of the plots especially involving Stewie you can see Seth would have the imagination to write Dr Who. And act in it. I am English by the way.
I reckon the best parodies (is The Orville really a parody though?) have to come from a place of sincerity and love for the source material. Look at Young Frankenstein or Shaun of the Dead - both brilliantly funny but with a straight faced enthusiasm for their sources. It's a matter of respect, dammit!
The Orville is more of a homage than a parody.. But other than that, I agree with you completely
Well spoken, sir!
Don't forget Galaxy Quest. A pitch perfect parody hommage.
Seth played a minor reoccurring role as part of the engineering team in Star Trek Enterprise. He loves the show as much as any Trek fan
the orville is so much better than Discovery
I always loathed everything Seth made. The Orville is the exception. I really like it
THIS IS THE STAR TREK WE DESERVE!
(And nice to hear you giving a positive review. Good one.)
This is Star Trek like written by a fan who is a comedic genius. Thank you Seth we love you!!!
One nice thing that he does is that he start some of the most serious situations kind of like a joke, like having a christmas movie change the opinion of Bortus (not a super serious argument with some super self rightious speech), or having the super serious strong dude hatching an egg like a chicken, that sneaks in a serious conversation. In that way, he kind of disarms the audience a little bit.
The fact that they don't take themself too serious is very much a plus. It has the same mood of shows like stargate in that sense.
Seth is a huge Trekkie, I had read he has a deep appreciation and respect for Star Trek and wanted The Orville to portray his love for Trek.
He's right, I slept while trying to watch Star Trek and enjoyed myself in front of the Orville, but I was also interested by the way they asked questions, without giving a definitive answer, wich sparkled interesting debate between me and my wife instead of just being beaten over the head with the same recurrent moral shows are broadcasting these days.
They don't want you to think, they want you to nod and shut up. But when all you do is nod on an ideology and stop thinking trough before applying it, that when it's path diverge toward extreme and grave mistakes.
But beyong that, the show is cool to watch, wich is the first thing peoples should worry about when choosing where to spend their limited times.
Its an awesome show, would love to see some of their heavy cruisers in action on the show
Miss this show so much. We so need another season to help with the stress of today.
I never thought i'd say this...
Can Fox please renegotiate the rights for Doctor Who, hire Seth as show runner and cast Paul McGann to give us the late 1990s Doctor Who series we never saw?
Oh god no
@@jmeeks76 yeeet
I rarely comment on non-DIY forums, but this is spot on. I despised McFarland until "Music is Better Than Words". He is a brilliant vocalist. It led me to re-examine his efforts in TV/FILM. I still don't care for most of those efforts, but The Orville delights. It embodies everything Star Trek to me, with a dash of slapstick, but it works. I appreciate season two's tone and I think The Orville is now hitting its stride. Excellent video!
S02E01 didnt resonate with me, but it is still far better than any episode of STD.
S2 E2 .... what the heck did I just watched? Gay aliens and orgy. I need a room like that, my wife will never see me again. Lol
@@Assassin1959 It goes even deeper than that I feel. S2 E1 showed the guys kowtowing to the females in search of love, but who would waste their time with the real world when you could have every fantasy on the holodeck.
with the death of shows like Doctor who , Star trek and Star wars all going down hill fast. only The Orville can save us now.
Doctor Who is great as ever, it feel like the RTD era.
The Expanse also worth watching.
Orville is the adopted child that Gene Roddenberry loved, Discovery is the rotten apple with a worm in it that fell very far from the tree
Yupp, this is the cure for the STD disappointment 👌
I agree completely. The episodes are a lot less flashy and action packed more cerebral and I was worried that it wouldn't find its audience. But I'm pleasantly surprised how many people out there are like me and see it for what it really is, the true successor to TNG.
Simple answer: Brannon fucking Braga