What I liked about episode 3 "About a girl" was it didn't go for the happy ending. This was a society who have been strongly opposed to females in their populace for generations, there was no way realistically that a single trial would go against that grain after just one showing of evidence to the contrary. However what prevents this from being a totally cynical ending was the fact that numerous minds were opened up to the possibility of what females can achieve thanks to the reveal that their greatest writer was really a woman. This was not THE trial that would change a society but it was the spark that could later begin a positive change down the line. Which to me feels like what a Trek story handles well, realistic, impartial but hopeful.
Yeah that's how change happens: with persistence over the long run. Martin Luther King Jr. talked about that at all the time. He knew realistically he wouldn't be able to see the world he wanted in his own lifetime and realistically not even in his children and grandchildren's lifetime either, but he had hoped to lay down a foundation and a path for others to follow and to continue to persist in the effort in his stead for decades and decades and centuries to come until we achieve it. And even then, we must be persistent in protecting whatever progress we've made as well.
What I love most that the Orville is not FORCING you to share THEIR opinion on a social issue, just shows you the POV of both sides, then let's YOU decide who you would agree with. Not like all the garbage forced woke SJW shows being made nowadays.
@@belzebul ...you do realise that Orville ticks all the boxes of being "woke", right? I mean, it has a character whose sole purpose it is to present an extremely conservative view, and who is constantly proven wrong by holding on those idea so tightly. It is as SJW as it gets, if you really feel the need to use that word. It is even arguing for trans gender people, something the Star Trek franchise has expertly side-stepped for decades.
Hey you should watch the third season, they (re)address this topic in two different episodes that "closes" this cycle and address a lot of other topics.
Yes - You have summed it up in a sentence. You can feel Seth MacFarlane's love of Star Trek (that's Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek) in every frame of the Orville. But what makes it so great is that it stands on it's own as brilliant science fiction. How The Orville really harks back to the original ST and STNG is how Mr MacFarlane weaves modern day issues into the show, just as Gene Roddenberry did - only he takes it much further. I suspect Mr MacFarlane has a much easier time with the censors Than Mr Roddenberry did (Gene even had to cover up a female character with two belly buttons - Shock horror! Children cover your eyes!) The latest episode (Identity P1), where we begin to find out the true nature of Isaac, is an absolute stunner, and stands with the best science fiction I have ever seen, on any screen - I'm sure P2 will be just as surprising (another thing I love is that The Orville ALWAYS surprises you). The problem with STD is, regardless of how competently made it is... It just isn't Star Trek - It's as if the some TV exec thought it was time for a new space adventure but was worried about not building an audience quickly enough, and one of his/her assistants piped up and said "Hey boss, just use the same props and call it 'STAR TREK - Something or Other' - Instant fanbase. Problem solved". Maybe they would have been better to make something new, without the baggage of the original... I don't know what Gene Roddenberry would think - I suspect two things: He would want to disown everything beyond STNG... and he would absolutely LOVE The Orville.
@@TheObsoletist33, I hope so, otherwise it would be like Data telling a Klingon that he intended to piggy back a transmission on a Romulan transmission. He then had to explain that it was a human metaphor for using the Romulan transmission as a carrier wave.
Because it is meant for adults rather than incels? I'd say that's...actually appropriate. I have watched all Trek and I actually like STD. I don't know what's wrong with so many other deranged types. Orville is not "Trek"; it is a fan spoof that adds very little to the minds of anyone (including the adolescent white male). Sorry.
What's telling about the Orville is it's rating on Rotten Tomatoes, the critics loath this show but the fans myself included absolutely love it. I think this shows just how out of touch Mainstream media is & what fans actually want to watch.They have forgotten the Golden Rule Entertain first, and if you preach, let the story do the preaching on its own.
For me it's not so much that many ideologically-compromised critics are "out of touch" but that they are _willingly_ so and quite prepared to forfeit what little integrity they have left in maintaining it....
Rotten Tomatoes has been suspect for a long time now. These reviewers are taking perks to hype junk and we know it. The Orville is a love letter from Seth to ST fans and he treats the material with reference and a bit of off color humor which is perfect.
I'm a strong conservative, and yet I love The Orville. It's obvious that The Orville is liberal leaning, but where it differs from much of modern media is the fact that its politics are incorporated properly into the plot rather than shoehorned in, and it handles politically charged topics thoughtfully rather than ramming them down our throats. Good sci-fi should spark discourse, not outrage.
I think season one had at least 2 episodes that were sort of pushing Atheism (3 including the Krill ship one) but it was more lingering in the background versus being shoved down everyone's throats. Making a good story came first.
I think it's about the writers(s) genuinely wanting to explore certain situations and being able to do it well, then simply putting them in for woke points (i.e Doctor Who).
So even a show based on a brighter future issue with your kind. Oh boy well at least you like the show. Still if your what you say you are then the regular Star Trek with all its violence and dystopia future should be what your seeking.
The Orville is FUN and optimistic. Also: I saw a video where Seth MacFarlane says they use real models for the ship in close-ups and simple maneuvers and not cgi. It appeals to the classic scifi geek in me on many levels.
another very nice touch is how bright it is, it might not be 100% realistic but its really nice to be able to see the ship in all its glory. compare to discovery, where you often cant even see the ship, and in other times its oversatured by bsckground nebula or something.
There's nothing wrong with CGI as long as it's done properly. Which, for the most part, isn't what Hollywood has been doing for the past 15 years. High-budget films tend to have needlessly overcomplicated CGI with silly amounts of particle special effects and too frequent cuts, always ending up unpleasant and epileptic. It's like they try too hard to blow everyone away with their creations, but nobody gives a fuck anymore. The joke is on them. STD sits on the other end of the spectrum. The ship models have mediocre polygon counts and low-res textures. They released pictures of those models and they looked like something out of, at least ,a 15-year old space combat video game. Anybody can create and texture a 3D model like that in one afternoon sittings. It's only after they add a ton of post-processing effects like focus blur, glimpse, shadows and lighting in the finished footage, that the ships start looking okay-ish. Yet, the end result is that the ships still look like little toys which is reinforced by the ridiculously childish animations - in other words, the way ships move and maneuver around doesn't create an impression of size and mass. Makes one think their CGI teams consists solely of interns and affirmative action employees. I'm watching the first season of TNG again and I'm shocked how much better the "space footage" is compared to STD. And not just the ships. Everything except for nebula effects, which are more advanced in STD, is more believable.
you mean they actually BUILT the SHIP MODEL? that's unheard of! I'd have thought it'd be all CGI just because it'd be easier with all those curvy parts.
Macfarlane is lucky enough to be living out his childhood dream of playing the captain of a Starship. (I've seen the fan film he did with his friends when he was 14yo.) His intent was to do a show that had the traditional feel of Star Trek but with some humor. He basically took the stick out of Star Trek's ass. In the 2nd season, he's been toning down the comedy though. And I love it. This last episode with the first contact could have been an episode of TNG (and it's not behind a pay wall.)
The first five Star Trek live action television series always had elements of humor (I can't speak for the animated series as I have yet to see it). In Season 1 of The Orville, there was roughly an equal amount of comedy relative to sci-fi & drama. In Season 2, the balance is more in favor of the sci-fi & drama with a substantial minority of comedy - roughly the same balance that Star Trek traditionally had.
@@JohnSmith-bw7cx I'd have to disagree with you on Next Generation. While it did have occasional humor, it also had a serious case of stick up it's ass. That's the Star Trek show I refer to when I mention that malady. I loved the show (after the 1st season), but it took itself too seriously.
@@mikeymcmikeface5599 Okay, Mr. President. That Seth McFarlane is a real PC, SJW type. You can tell that from Family Guy. If you want PC, SJW crap, watch Star Trek Discovery. It's not Trek, but it's got the name.
i would add dark matter to that list aswell, buuuut it never got to finish its run n when had chance the actors etc had new contracts and some jus had new lives x) but yes to the point of your post orville crushes it i was so psyched to see a season 3 @new horizons!! love that mcfarlane picked up where they left off aswell rather than jumping around like some shows do tryna make you guess what happened in the time gap they add between seasons so to speak
Keep in mind you're comparing 50 critics to 8000 audience members. Also consider the type of people willing to take the time to post a review. The audience score on RT doesn't reflect the opinions of the average audience member not on RT. The audience viewership ratings for the season 2 premiere were down from the season 1 premiere, but higher than the average episode last year. Although to be fair season 1 had a pretty big premiere at 8million+. Season 2 premiere ratings were 5.6 million. Based on those numbers though is it possible that some audience members lost interest after the 1st season? Granted you also have to take into account things such as premiere date, competition, and many other factors. By comparison... The Walking Dead season 2 premiere improved upon its season 1 premiere ratings, from 5.3 to 7.2 million. 9-1-1 (also on FOX) ratings for its season 2 premiere also improved upon its season 1 premiere, from 6.8 to 9.8 million.
Just imagine Enterprise hailing another ship for assistance in something only to recieve a response from the Orville that says "The ship is momentarily inoperational, the computer has a virus from when an officer downloaded shady porn"
My dad is a bigger Trek fan than I am, and even he has stated that "The Orville" is closer to Roddenberry's vision than anything that's come out of Paramount/CBS since "DS9."
@@ninjabearpress2574 I've been a Trekker from the beginning, and I agree The Orville is more like Trek than anything CBS/Paramount has puked out since 2009.
Really surprised by The Orville. With every episode it has worked it's way deeper into my heart. Never shys away from serious story lines, but also keeps a great balance between the original series sense of fun and wonder and the later series dramatic integrity. All credit to Seth for investing his considerable acting talent into the role of Ed Mercer. Fantastic supporting cast and production values too! Here's to many more series.
When a joke not only makes you laugh but think as well then you’ve struck gold. When Seth MacFarlanes character asked Isaac if their race is legendarily racist, that made me laugh and think back to data, did data ever have a superiority complex towards his fellow crew men? The answer is obviously no because he always wanted to be accepted by his crew man and wanted to know and understand human feeling and emotions.
The difference between Data and Isaac is that Data did not come from an entire society of robots and was not programmed to consider humans and other organic races inferior. Isaac is not only mechanical, but also part of a hive mind, like the Borg and the Dominion.
The Borg tested Data's programming rules architechture robustness, it's final frontier. Isaac IS the Borg without the organic parasitic dependance of a host but a hacked pure automata AI collective entity severed from the heirarchic hive, for now.
@@Opinionatoronline Data was meant to be more human and an individual, just missing emotions. Look at Lore, give him a more human paint job and he would have blended in fine ,other than being a psychopath.
@Daniel Appleton It's a stale trope, especially in a trek-esque setting. Glad they ditched it for simply a passing interest in understanding his mates.
Seth is shockingly a true Trekkie. He wanted to make real Trek. They refused so we got Orville instead. Not a fan of the crude humour, but it’s the closest thing we Have to real Star Trek.
@Tiger Dragon Discovery is basically Battletrek Starwarsica. Some might consider it a decent generic sci-fi show. It may even appear to share some very surface-level aspects with previous Trek outings, particularly the JJ Abrams films. But other than that it bears little resemblance to a Trek series.
Personally, I consider MacFarlane to be the "Terry Nation" of this century. You may or may not be aware, but Nation was the writer who originally created the Daleks in Doctor Who, and also created the fantastic British sci-fi series Blake's 7. Like MacFarlane, Nation established himself initially as a comedy writer, yet ended up making a huge contribution to science fiction. Macfarlane comes from the same age as we do. Like us, he grew up on TOS, TNG, DS9, etc, Doctor Who, etc so he has a fundamental understanding of what makes both quality science fiction and television. After seeing the first season of The Orville, I so desperately wanted to speak with him personally and thank him for his work on the series. It deserves far more recognition that it gets.
Who would have ever thought in a million years.. that Star Trek having been molested and defiled for decades by HORRIBLE spin-offs.... would end up being saved by a "Galaxy Qwest" esque' independent show by a cartoon comedian!!! And it ends up being the TRUE spiritual successor to TNG.. You can't make this stuff up!
So you’re saying that a show incorporating social issues into well written scripts, with intelligence, and subtlety - while fairly presenting both sides of the argument - is actually more entertaining than one that doesn’t bother to find good stories, but instead takes a hard line stance for only one side, then constantly smashes the viewers over the head with it.....? That’s crazy talk! 🤪 Actually, that sounds pretty good to me, haven’t seen it yet, but I’m going to definitely check out The Orville. 👍
You will love it. I thought the 1st 2 episodes were a bit meh! But as said here the 3rd story with Bortus's daughter was the one that clicked with me and from then it hit high gear
I absolutely *_love_*_ The Orville._ I'm confident you will too. There are too many good episodes in Season 1 to pick just one as my favorite. And I am so looking forward to watching Season 2. So happy it didn't get cancelled.
Artamus Sumatra wouldn't that be great if Discovery did this? Shame you can't bring that up without being attacked and dismissed. CBS should be condemning these toxic fans, but for all we know they are paying some of them to defend it.
It's basically Star Trek but better. It dared to ask "what if The Next Generation was populated with real people, not perfect caricatures who only listen to classical music?" Edit: okay, classical music and really stiff jazz.
@@EvgeneXI sure, same here. But I don't just listen to classical music. My point was that there's no way that everybody in the future has the same sophisticated tastes.
You know, when they announced Discovery I was cautiously optimistic. I didn't really care who was on both sides of the camera. I wanted to drop to my parents for a dinner and watch an episode of Star Trek with them, as we did when I was a kid on the good old telly. I paid no attention to naysayers when they criticized the premise of 'main character' on a Star Trek show. I could see the show opening with a 'fish out of water' character we'd experience the world with - after all, there is a new generation of fans who might not know much about Star Trek. Having a protagonist that learns it with them could work just fine. And then I saw the pilot... and the episode after the pilot. And then I forced myself through 3rd episode... and the 4th. At that point, I gave up. I actually showed the pilot to my mum (the person who introduced me to Star Trek, to begin with!) but she disliked it. It was loud, chaotic, flashy and to quote her own words "The Klingons would look better if they went back to their TOS costumes." Orville on the other hand - while spiked with sometimes really immature humour - was like the breath of old air. Old, good air that carried a scent of simple stories tackling greater real-life issues. I wanted to love Star Trek: Discovery. And for what it's worth, I enjoy acting on that show. But the premise and execution weren't Star Trek at all. And it hurt something inside of me that I didn't even know existed.
Orville is a love letter to TNG. You can tell how much Macfarlane respects and admires the show this one is based on. I hope they make it to 7 seasons. Side Note - I especially love the way they show these are "the other guys" in space exploration. Like how Classical concertos are replaced by Karaoke Night xD.
Macfarlane had tried heading a new Star Trek series years ago but was too tied up with Family Guy's success and his other endeavors plus he was pretty much rejected. The way he described sounded like he wanted to take it back to the TNG era with social commentary and all that. I was sad to hear that it would never happen. Now I'm super glad it never happened. They can be as creative as they want with their own license versus having to bend to the whims of all that's tied to the Star Trek license.
@@lucidexistance1 I think MacFarlane's previous pitch being rejected is probably why he initially billed The Orville as a comedic parody of Star Trek. Allegedly, MacFarlane feared that if he pitched The Orville as a serious sci-fi, it would be rejected. I think this is probably why all of the trailers prior to S1 depicted it almost exclusively as a comedy, bordering on being similar to Galaxy Quest. However, we later learned that the scenes in the trailers were actually isolated moments that were separated by wide swaths of serious drama akin to TNG. As the season progressed, the comedy continued to get dialed back. So far, S2 has almost been completely devoid of any comedy. MacFarlane said in an interview that in response to audiences approving of the more serious tone in S1, he would be focusing more on sci-fi stories in S2 and less on comedy. A series writer that sees what audiences respond positively to and doubles down on it.....what a novel approach. Now if only Chibnall could learn the same lesson...
@@sixstanger00 Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Awesome! Although I'll admit I found myself laughing in season 2 as well. Like how the "Mucklins?" I don't know the spelling at the moment, but the divorce scene was funny as hell. After it was explained at first. "He did nothing wrong, he was divorcing me!"
We've seen careers ruined on Twitter these last few years, public apologies, doxing, witch hunting and outrage sharing, there's an entire section of media based on generating more outrage like this. The people who propagate this kind of thing are an extremely small section of society(about 8-10% according to surveys and research a while ago) but they're loud as hell and clearly influential enough to routinely ruin people's lives. A significant, if only in influence, portion of modern western society is there already. Hopefully the backlash against it from normal thinking people is enough.
I forced myself through the first 2 episodes of the orville, which are almost insufferable for someone who doesn't like slapstick humor. From episode 3 onwards they reduce the slapstick comedy to more mature jokes and the becomes amazing. I'm glad I stuck with it. Orville > STD
The Orville had great plans but had to shake off the 'Star Trek' Lawyers by looking foolish in the first episodes. So The Doctor and Her children 'lost in space', was the first great Episode. The Child Actors are Adorable and the Doc was truly wonderful. The plot was truly exciting. Poker is it? Lawyers be damned
I actually wasn't as concerned as most people when I heard about Seth and The Orville. Seth is a huge film/TV fan, more importantly a huge star trek fan. I assumed he had a lot of respect for the series, it's creators/writes and it's actors. I figured the last thing he would do would make it a laughing stock or bring any sort of shame to the series. To me, when I heard what he was doing, I felt it was being done as a tribute. Glad to see that it is even better than I hoped.
I kinda feel like Seth himself is surprised at how successful it was. The fact that a lot of old Strek regulars are flocking to the series gives me hope that it will continue.
He patterned the show after the format of MASH. A serious show to be taken seriously, but the people are imperfect, fallible and ordinary. They goof up and goof around. They have issues and they make jokes. Perfection.
I love this comparison. That's how i see the show, it's serious on the surface what with there everyday lives but of course you'll have some people playing around and joking cause that's just how people are.
well the krill do have those fancy suits and helmets but yeah sound reasoning there to make it uber bright in case one of their visors breaks or they lose their helmet, boom, all over.
I'm glad they steered clear of the grim!dark "everything looks like the depths of Carlsbad Caverns because reasons" approach far too many sci-fi properties have flocked to of late. Stargate:Universe gnawed on my last nerve with its insistence on presenting everything as though it was filmed in a coal-mine with a kid's night-light as the sole source of illumination. People would literally disappear from view into a largely featureless coal-sack background when not appearing to float around like bodiless heads. What was especially frustrating was the ton of money obviously poured into the sets disappeared on-screen, only becoming apparent when BTS photos were published. Ugh.
MacFarlane is actually a genius. He is super intelligent and interested in science. If you aren't aware, he was the one who approached Fox and pushed for a new Cosmos, and after they finally he agreed, he also approached Tyson to host it, and is the executive producer of Cosmos.
We have sci fi franchises that are Killed or dying under SJWs doing the writing. Orville is more Star Trek than Discovery will be. Doctor who fans will need a new doctor who under a new name. Less SJW writing and more character and merit developing.
Daniel Appleton you are soooooooo wrong. Netflix “Lost in Space” was sjw feminism rammed down the throats of viewers. Father Robinson is a military dad who has all but lost his family due to dedication and service, his kids don’t relate to him, barely like him, while super mom the scientist repeatedly saves the day compared to his weak, barely masculine toxic self. Oh, and they are on the brink of divorce, following an unofficial “break”. It was sickening to watch that inside of what was actually a good show. Despite the relentless attack on masculinity.
@Daniel Appleton Sorry mate, ive been watching that series too. The father, with combat experiance and as such emergency first aid and basic medical skills would have been given and that's coming from my own experiance in RNZIR as just a private and rifleman during my 1985 intake ,basic training. This guy was a commander, and they gave him a back seat while the women tended the wounded, and ignored his advice and went off half cocked on a ill advised rescue mission, from the advice of children no less, with admittedly no such first hand skills? That he had no idea as a soldier how to scrounge elements to make a high heat incinidary explosive, to burn through several feet of ice? Lol! Sorry pal, in real life you don't put your life in the hands of bookworms and tech geeks under those conditions. And instead of domestic squabbles, they should be focusing on survival, working as a TEAM,playing to their individual strengths, better than this.
@@icepicjoey Trek story is not canon unless directed to tv media. Like TOS, TNG, DS9, DVY. Non-tv media like the novels are their own separate universe. Dumbass.
@@XSilver_WaterX ok so "trek story is not cannon unless directed to tv media." Okay... so I need to try to translate your statement. So your context is something to do with canon. Which there are no posts here referring to the orville as canon... And So far no one here thinks its ST canon as far as I've seen. So WTF are you talking about? Asshat....
I love their starship! There is a hidden joke in it. Look carefully at the ship from behind when its leaving in the opposite direction. It appears to be laughing; that is so great about the show. It offers up a good time and has no need to take itself seriously like so many sci-fi shows do. Yet the writing, direction, special effects and finally the acting is so professional. GOOD JOB, SETH! CONTINUE!
I cannot agree with this video more. Excellent. I especially am glad you point out the issue about the lighting and the look of the bridge. STD (is that what we are all calling it now? lmao) has gotten better in the last 2 seasons but I really hate not having a defined and understandable ship.
The "official" TLA for Star Trek Discovery is "DSC" (as put forth by CBS) but no one uses it. As far as I'm concerned "STD" is a much more accurate TLA for that trash.
Just like everyone didn't like DS9, and then Voyager, and then Enterprise, and then Discovery. Also no Star Trek has ever used Star Trek as part of it's TLA. CBS is right in their choice. TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, DSC
I just watched (hands down) the finest episode of Star Trek that I've ever seen, and it was S02E04 of The Orville. It goes to show that when Gene Roddenberry created Star Trek, he made something bigger than himself. And it's bigger than CBS. CBS doesn't get to decide what is or isn't Star Trek. Because when it comes down to it, they work for us. We are who gets to decide that. Gene Roddenberry may have created it originally, but it's the people who love it that made it what it is. This episode of The Orville, it was clearly made by someone who loves what Star Trek is. I was disappointed in STD before, but you know what? Despite some of the low-brow humour and the sexual jokes, it's Star Trek: Discovery, right now, that looks cheap and tawdry when held up to The Orville.
If Gene Roddenberry grew up listening to Billy Joel. How they worked his music in, Bravo. I'll never look at "She's always a Woman" the same way again. Great Episode, you have anyone on the fence about Orville, thats the one to show them.
Kurt, if you loved episode 4, I bet you were completely giddy over episode 6, "A Happy Refrain". I know I was. I compared it to two of my favorite Trek episodes , TNG's "The Inner Light" and DS9's "Rocks and Shoals" and The Orville held its own in my opinion.
I really wish people would stop referring to _The Orville_ as "The Real Star Trek." The people who own the rights to Star Trek had its chance to have the Orville as part of its universe. They refused. They lost the right to be connected to the Orville.
He writes, he directs, he acts, he writes and sings songs, he can dance, play instruments... he is a multi tasking genius compared to the window lickers over at STD.
Yeah I just think often times he needs help. He’s good but I agree with ralphthemoviemaker that he does better with people helping him out rather than 100% him. That and he probably does better in a shorter format. Yeah I really love the dude though; I wish I was one fourth as talented as him.
@Backstage Bum To be fair, when he was like 25, he got hired to create one of the most popular adult animated series of all time, earning him millions in the process just off that alone. If mid-20s you suddenly got millions of dollars and massive fame for creating your content that you wanted to create, and you were a jerk, how likely would you want to change who you are?
The biggest difference between the Oroville and discovery/Picard is that the writers care about the source material. Seth loves star trek and did his best to not ruin it's image. Discover hates star trek and wants to use it to push "The message"
So true. Many of the SFX reminded me of SG Atlantis. What we have with The Orville is a show written by a guy that is in love with the subject matter, clearly loved Sci Fi and just wanted to make his own show in the vein of TV greats such as Farscape, Trek, Star Gate. The result is we have have been given a show that is really really good. I am loving the Orville
@@Charok1 and that is your opinion. According to this comment section and rotten tomatoes, you're clearly in the minority. Over 90% of the audience like the Orville.
This show is possibly the only show that makes me believe what I loved as a child is not dead today. I'm a massive Trek, Wars and Who fan - and all three of those franchises appear to have decided to abandon their core values and become something completely different. All at the same time. It saddens me to watch three franchises - all with different qualities - all seem to veer off and abandon what originally made them, in some ridiculous attempt to prove how progressive they are. I mean, come on! These are the ORIGINAL progressive franchises. These are the shows that pushed boundaries and changed the way TV and movies were made. These aren't the franchises that needed "progressives," to come in and change. All these people have done is make them regressive from the opposite extreme. Talk about taking a great concept and shitting it into the ground! It makes me horribly sad, but the success of the Orville manages to restore my hope. Even as the critics hate on it, it fights back just as the original Star Trek did. People forget how Trek was hated by the mainstream before it fought its way to the top. Now its back where it was, but under a different name. The fans, however, are smart enough to follow the true ideal, as opposed to the official, bought-out name.
If that's your take on Discovery then you clearly haven't watched the show. Discovery is a thousand times more interesting than the Snoreville. But you go ahead with your safe-as-milk Next Gen cosplay
@@christheghostwriter A true Star Trek fan wouldn't sound so hateful as you do, I hope you get lost in the Mycelial Network with your hateful Disco friends.
I HATE Seth Mc's other stuff, but on receiving a copy of the Orville Season 1 DVDs for Christmas, I watched it. I realized that there is one HUGE difference between Star Trek and the Orville. This ship isn't the Union/Federation Flagship. These are the other guys, the ones the Enterprise has to sail in and avenge or rescue. They are deeply flawed individuals who none the less are going to give their all for their ship, their crew and the Union. These flaws and the character growth to overcome them is part of the fun. The fact they can put aside their problems and work on the mission was also part of the show, from the first episode. They'll never be good enough to man the heavy cruisers (Enterprise class) and this is also noted, but they're pretty good. So if you were expecting the Enterprise and are getting the Orville you aren't getting THE best, but you'll be getting THEIR best.
Right I have a slight left lean and some of the episodes had me questioning what I would do. I like how on the ones that do that no matter what happens no side feels "right" it Is just people dealing with the choice they made.
@@goodnewsgeek42 They made them out to be very bad, a father greaving wanting his wife back is bad, his father who had to go for reasons we don't no is bad, the Orville, we know her husband is dead, it is not bad for her because we know what it's like and she is a strong woman but men are potrade so badly in doctor who when it comes to single parenting
Orville: Highly successful and well received. Apparently mothballed. Batwoman, Supergirl, Dr. Who, Star Trek Discovery: Consistently tanking and yet constantly getting renewed for more seasons.
I wanted him to have the rights to Star Trek after only a couple episodes of The Coosmos. He understood the original and carried the torch. There were stories about him wanting the rights and I thought he should have had his shot then.
The episode with the child and gender change actually surprised me a bit and pretty much cemented my opinion of The Orville. It was far more serious than you would have expected from MacFarlane and showed what the Orville could do with both drama and comedy. The ending actually surprised me as well. If this had been older Trek (like TNG, etc) I honestly don't think the ending would have been as (potentially) realistic as the episode ending was. Love this series and hope it stays good and around for a long time.
@Roger Wilco >Voyager There's about 3-5 episodes of voyager per season that are worth watching, and at least the same number that should be avoided like a plague. You want good trek? DS9. Only episode you should definitely skip in the whole show is s01e09; the rest range from pretty good to the best damn trek you will ever see.
Spot on review, it’s somewhat ironic the video ends with the assertion that The Orville is Star Trek in all but name, because I find STD is Star Trek in name only. STD is so cold, sterile and joyless that I really don’t care much that it’s coming back. The Orville on the other hand- I haven’t been so excited to see Star Trek since the heydays of the Berman era! Now if you’ll excuse me, I’ve had a lot to drink and need to take a Ja’loja...
For me the thing the makes Star Trek what it is, is that it portrays a somewhat idealized vision of the future, that most of humanity's problems have been dealt with and things are overall good. There are still problem out there (often modern day problems with sci-fi window dressing), big ones sometimes; but with technical know-how and a can-do spirit, we can boldly go out into the unknown knowing we can solve those problems.
@Daniel Appleton It won't get the Firefly treatment. Seth has a LOT of pull with FOX. Via Family Guy he has made them a shit ton of money and if you consider the budget of The Orville it ONLY exists because Seth told FOX he wanted to make it. They would have turned down the concept had it been proposed by literally anyone else.
The Orville is outstanding! Like you, my wife does not like Family Guy but was wowed by the Orville. We both agreed its mixing of humor and Sci-Fi works. She is not a huge Sci-Fi fan but got the subtle parody between it and Star Trek including its characters Bortus/Klyden/Worf , La Marr/La Forge and Isaac/Data. We both get it and we will be watching it instead of STD which is NOT true Star Trek!
Rod Strayer Yeah I’ve always hated Family Guy but the Orville blew me away by how good it was. In fact I liked the Orville so much that it’s pretty much the reason I went back and gave the original Star Trek a chance, which I’m still watching the first season of.
I had my doubts about it too due to his past works but gave it a shot because hardly anyone is even attempting to make Sci-Fi anymore. I was pleasantly surprised by the amazing quality of it. Not perfect but still one of the best Sci-Fi TV shows that has been made in years.
Space...The Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the Starship Orville. Its continuing mission: To continue the real Star Trek adventures inspired by Gene Roddenberry's visions. To seek first contacts with new aliens and civilizations while having lots of fun. To boldly go where no Trek has gone before!!
Great video, you hit the nail on the head. Old Trek asked a question of the audience, it didn't tell them the answer. It challenged you to think for yourself about any given social issue, they didn't tell you what to think.
@@fahrradhupe3911 Technically yes. BUT the big difference was that the in every other Trek setting, the story came first. Sure there was always a message there but the message was part of the story. In STD it is the other way round. It is Social Justice first and story second. They see STD as a mans to convey SJ first and foremost. FFS they seem to have just plagarised an old video game for most of the central plot line. That how little time they spend on story telling, what they care about is the propaganda and that comes through loud and clear watching that show.
I was born the week TOS went on the air. I have been a Trek fan my whole life. I love Discovery and am happy they are trying new things. You can keep your Snoreville next-gen cosplay with its recycled Trek scripts and "Weekly Adventures of the Bridge Crew and Their Magical Reset Button" storytelling.
The bad part is: Se don't have hulu in Brazil... only Netflix and Amazon prime, I have tô download in torrent to watch it, I can watch, buy I'm not giving views/rising it's audience points, I feel like... blammed
@@mariooli9268 I tried to find an answer for you and couldn't. What you can do is get a VPN. That will allow you to get a USA IP address and stream hulu.
One subtle thing they recently did I really liked. So lots of future sci-fi shows make reference to songs and other stuff from the past and it's always something the audience will recognize. The Orville is guilty of this too, but in one recent episode they referenced a song from 2160 or something. And I was so grateful because that's the way real people talk. If they remember an old song it's not always going to be one from 300 years ago. In fact it's almost never going to be.
@@johnmarks227 I think you might be confusing the Tim Allen movie Galaxy Quest with something else. A show? This movie was very much like Orville: a comedy that serves as a fun sci fi fantasy: www.imdb.com/title/tt0177789/?ref_=nv_sr_1
@@johnmarks227 It's a 1999 1 hour 42 min movie spoofing Star Trek. The topic is that they had been an early 1980s TV show that was canceled. To make ends meet, the actors now do conventions like Shatner et. al. do in real life. Space Aliens have been receiving transmissions of the show and think it is real: that they are watching "historical documents". So when they need the help of that "crew" they build a real model of the ship from the show and talk the actors into helping them. It was especially funny to me and mine as we adore Star Trek, conventions, and show business in general as well as Sci Fi. Side splittingly hilarious to us while serving as really good Sci Fi Fantasy. I hope you get to see it.
You mean the only two people don't whine about. Look, I get people have certain tastes, but I enjoyed Enterprise, Voyager (mostly), and the JJ verse (by accepting its an alternate timeline). Even STD could work if it wasn't called Star Trek. And what do I get for that? People looking down on me like I'm a dog turd on their show. I respect what they watch, why can't they do the same. Sorry for the rant, needed to get it off my chest.
@@mattevans4377 You can like bad things, Matt, but that doesn't change what they are. If you're not part of the crowd screaming at the fans like it's their fault they don't like these things, then don't take criticism of the shows themelves so damn personal.
Common, thats not really fair TNG and DS9 are serrious shows. Its easy to like "humorous" show like Orville, but to like serrious one as TNG or DS9, that means they are in fact better.
such a good show no joke, while the cgi and visuals aren't top notch the passion and spirit and characters you can just feel the energy and level of love for the franchise here. Tackling and turning issues on their head drawing parallels with Moclus and the union with the UN and its members
Loved it from day one, also remembered Seth's short appearances on two episodes of Enterprise as an engineer. STD's first season wasn't filling the Trek void after Enterprise's sudden death, I most admit that the second season of Discovery story wise looks more like the Star Trek I've always enjoyed and loved since my childhood.
Keep the shows coming. I am a trekkie from back to the original and this has a FRESH look at real people in space, people who like to relax and have a real party, fun and still have hang-ups, things that star trek lacked. it was so stiff necked and these people are not BUT they are still disciplined and come through when the chips are down.
I just now finished watching Orville for the first time (the pee episode). I would not have watched it at all except that earlier today I saw a positive review of the series on You Tube. My first reaction was "this is a comedy version of Star Trek and I am not into comedy scifi". My second reaction was "Well at least there is some interesting light drama included". My third reaction was "I could actually watch this and enjoy it for what it is". My conclusion was "It is better than "The Force Awakens", "The Last Jedi", the new "Doctor Who" and "Star Trek Discovery".
It is a rather boring episode of The Orville if not the worst of all series so far. Try Majority rule or If the stars should appear or Mad Idolatry or Krill episodes - so fantastic that I even remember the titles of them and I don't remember titles of most episodes in other series at all.
@@Dziki_z_Lasu I think the point the original poster was trying to make was that even the worst episode of Orville was better than the four aforementioned movies/shows.
I believe that Roddenberry would approve of Seth's vision of Star Trek. You can tell Seth must have loved the original and he has carefully crafted every episode to follow that footprint. He has made a lot of Trekkies happy.
Foebane72 ikr? Still can't get over "Star Trek: [the] Disease". They could have used any name; Star Trek Endeavor, Star Trek Firefall, Star Trek GetPaid, whatever, but no!
What I liked about episode 3 "About a girl" was it didn't go for the happy ending. This was a society who have been strongly opposed to females in their populace for generations, there was no way realistically that a single trial would go against that grain after just one showing of evidence to the contrary. However what prevents this from being a totally cynical ending was the fact that numerous minds were opened up to the possibility of what females can achieve thanks to the reveal that their greatest writer was really a woman. This was not THE trial that would change a society but it was the spark that could later begin a positive change down the line. Which to me feels like what a Trek story handles well, realistic, impartial but hopeful.
Yeah that's how change happens: with persistence over the long run. Martin Luther King Jr. talked about that at all the time. He knew realistically he wouldn't be able to see the world he wanted in his own lifetime and realistically not even in his children and grandchildren's lifetime either, but he had hoped to lay down a foundation and a path for others to follow and to continue to persist in the effort in his stead for decades and decades and centuries to come until we achieve it. And even then, we must be persistent in protecting whatever progress we've made as well.
What I love most that the Orville is not FORCING you to share THEIR opinion on a social issue, just shows you the POV of both sides, then let's YOU decide who you would agree with.
Not like all the garbage forced woke SJW shows being made nowadays.
@@belzebul ...you do realise that Orville ticks all the boxes of being "woke", right? I mean, it has a character whose sole purpose it is to present an extremely conservative view, and who is constantly proven wrong by holding on those idea so tightly. It is as SJW as it gets, if you really feel the need to use that word. It is even arguing for trans gender people, something the Star Trek franchise has expertly side-stepped for decades.
@@swanpride kinda true ... except not.
Hey you should watch the third season, they (re)address this topic in two different episodes that "closes" this cycle and address a lot of other topics.
Orville is made by star trek fans. Star trek discovery is not.
Yes - You have summed it up in a sentence. You can feel Seth MacFarlane's love of Star Trek (that's Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek) in every frame of the Orville. But what makes it so great is that it stands on it's own as brilliant science fiction. How The Orville really harks back to the original ST and STNG is how Mr MacFarlane weaves modern day issues into the show, just as Gene Roddenberry did - only he takes it much further. I suspect Mr MacFarlane has a much easier time with the censors Than Mr Roddenberry did (Gene even had to cover up a female character with two belly buttons - Shock horror! Children cover your eyes!)
The latest episode (Identity P1), where we begin to find out the true nature of Isaac, is an absolute stunner, and stands with the best science fiction I have ever seen, on any screen - I'm sure P2 will be just as surprising (another thing I love is that The Orville ALWAYS surprises you).
The problem with STD is, regardless of how competently made it is... It just isn't Star Trek - It's as if the some TV exec thought it was time for a new space adventure but was worried about not building an audience quickly enough, and one of his/her assistants piped up and said "Hey boss, just use the same props and call it 'STAR TREK - Something or Other' - Instant fanbase. Problem solved". Maybe they would have been better to make something new, without the baggage of the original...
I don't know what Gene Roddenberry would think - I suspect two things: He would want to disown everything beyond STNG... and he would absolutely LOVE The Orville.
Nailed It!!
@@ChristopherJones-qm2nw Other times also.
STF are mentally unstable!
Well said. 100% true
The Orville has rapidly become my favourite show.
Love this show. Just binged watched it on HULU. Fun show.
Same! I couldn’t imagine a more worthy TNG successor by now.
It is my favourite now, I started it with a " ha ..let's try a parody then "
I agree
"sir, the targeting sensors can't distinguish the 2 ships -"
The captain : "do enie-minie-miney-mo."
Does Bortus even know what that is?
@@JohnSmith-bw7cx Something tells me that wasn't the first time it had happened.
@@TheObsoletist33, I hope so, otherwise it would be like Data telling a Klingon that he intended to piggy back a transmission on a Romulan transmission. He then had to explain that it was a human metaphor for using the Romulan transmission as a carrier wave.
John Smith evident in context 😊
@@JohnSmith-bw7cx Probably, there was that night they spent talking about games till the captain wound up in sickbay with a shank through his hand.
It seems so right to refer to Star Trek: Discovery as “STD”.
@Tracey Taggart 😂
Because it is meant for adults rather than incels? I'd say that's...actually appropriate. I have watched all Trek and I actually like STD. I don't know what's wrong with so many other deranged types. Orville is not "Trek"; it is a fan spoof that adds very little to the minds of anyone (including the adolescent white male). Sorry.
MacFarland should take over Star Trek at this point. Maybe it will be better.
@Skippy the Alien he wasn't dragged in it he doesn't want to return to a Gene R, Star Trek.
@@wj3186 "it is a fan spoof" literally partly written by Brannon fucking Braga, the fucker who did anything fron TNG til Enterprise
seth mcfarland went to paramont and proposed a new trek series, they rejected his idea and went with std. so seth created the orville.
Im a lifelong trekkie. This is my new star trek.
mine too
There is very little anything funny in it, especially for it advertised as comedy.
@@mikeymcmikeface5599 some things are funny but its not full of jokes past the pilot. Its more of a light hearted drama.
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I had my hopes on Picard, Sir Patrick was in it what could go wrong.... what a disappointing that it turned out to be.
What's telling about the Orville is it's rating on Rotten Tomatoes, the critics loath this show but the fans myself included absolutely love it. I think this shows just how out of touch Mainstream media is & what fans actually want to watch.They have forgotten the Golden Rule Entertain first, and if you preach, let the story do the preaching on its own.
Also shows how the critics have once again, been caught with the hand in the shill jar!
For me it's not so much that many ideologically-compromised critics are "out of touch" but that they are _willingly_ so and quite prepared to forfeit what little integrity they have left in maintaining it....
Rotten Tomatoes has been suspect for a long time now. These reviewers are taking perks to hype junk and we know it. The Orville is a love letter from Seth to ST fans and he treats the material with reference and a bit of off color humor which is perfect.
And it's the opposite for STD. Good critics ratings and terrible fan ratings.
Now the viewers are bringing this down to Doctor Who Season 11's low level and critics give it a 70%
I'm a strong conservative, and yet I love The Orville. It's obvious that The Orville is liberal leaning, but where it differs from much of modern media is the fact that its politics are incorporated properly into the plot rather than shoehorned in, and it handles politically charged topics thoughtfully rather than ramming them down our throats. Good sci-fi should spark discourse, not outrage.
I think season one had at least 2 episodes that were sort of pushing Atheism (3 including the Krill ship one) but it was more lingering in the background versus being shoved down everyone's throats. Making a good story came first.
Seth MacFarlane is one of the few non-liberals in Hollywood.
@Sam Seth is Liberal , he isn't SJW Leftist.
I think it's about the writers(s) genuinely wanting to explore certain situations and being able to do it well, then simply putting them in for woke points (i.e Doctor Who).
So even a show based on a brighter future issue with your kind. Oh boy well at least you like the show. Still if your what you say you are then the regular Star Trek with all its violence and dystopia future should be what your seeking.
The Orville is FUN and optimistic. Also: I saw a video where Seth MacFarlane says they use real models for the ship in close-ups and simple maneuvers and not cgi. It appeals to the classic scifi geek in me on many levels.
another very nice touch is how bright it is, it might not be 100% realistic but its really nice to be able to see the ship in all its glory.
compare to discovery, where you often cant even see the ship, and in other times its oversatured by bsckground nebula or something.
Really I assumed a lot of it would be CGI?
Perhaps that explains why USS Orvile is soooo aesthetically pleasing to look at?
There's nothing wrong with CGI as long as it's done properly. Which, for the most part, isn't what Hollywood has been doing for the past 15 years. High-budget films tend to have needlessly overcomplicated CGI with silly amounts of particle special effects and too frequent cuts, always ending up unpleasant and epileptic. It's like they try too hard to blow everyone away with their creations, but nobody gives a fuck anymore. The joke is on them.
STD sits on the other end of the spectrum. The ship models have mediocre polygon counts and low-res textures. They released pictures of those models and they looked like something out of, at least ,a 15-year old space combat video game. Anybody can create and texture a 3D model like that in one afternoon sittings. It's only after they add a ton of post-processing effects like focus blur, glimpse, shadows and lighting in the finished footage, that the ships start looking okay-ish.
Yet, the end result is that the ships still look like little toys which is reinforced by the ridiculously childish animations - in other words, the way ships move and maneuver around doesn't create an impression of size and mass. Makes one think their CGI teams consists solely of interns and affirmative action employees. I'm watching the first season of TNG again and I'm shocked how much better the "space footage" is compared to STD. And not just the ships. Everything except for nebula effects, which are more advanced in STD, is more believable.
you mean they actually BUILT the SHIP MODEL? that's unheard of!
I'd have thought it'd be all CGI just because it'd be easier with all those curvy parts.
STD ship is utterly ugly!
Turns out Lower Decks is what Star Trek fans expected the Orville to be.
What was that?
@@MegaSpideyman unfunny and edgy humored trash set in a futuristic utopian scifi world.
@@cytorakdemon Ah, ok.
Macfarlane is lucky enough to be living out his childhood dream of playing the captain of a Starship. (I've seen the fan film he did with his friends when he was 14yo.) His intent was to do a show that had the traditional feel of Star Trek but with some humor. He basically took the stick out of Star Trek's ass. In the 2nd season, he's been toning down the comedy though. And I love it. This last episode with the first contact could have been an episode of TNG (and it's not behind a pay wall.)
The first five Star Trek live action television series always had elements of humor (I can't speak for the animated series as I have yet to see it). In Season 1 of The Orville, there was roughly an equal amount of comedy relative to sci-fi & drama. In Season 2, the balance is more in favor of the sci-fi & drama with a substantial minority of comedy - roughly the same balance that Star Trek traditionally had.
@@JohnSmith-bw7cx
I'd have to disagree with you on Next Generation. While it did have occasional humor, it also had a serious case of stick up it's ass. That's the Star Trek show I refer to when I mention that malady. I loved the show (after the 1st season), but it took itself too seriously.
I dislike Orville for being typical PC pro-weirdo propaganda.
@@mikeymcmikeface5599
Okay, Mr. President. That Seth McFarlane is a real PC, SJW type. You can tell that from Family Guy.
If you want PC, SJW crap, watch Star Trek Discovery. It's not Trek, but it's got the name.
Stargate SG1 and atlantis was like star treck and added humer.
Orville and Expanse = best SF shows of the last 10 years.
i would add dark matter to that list aswell, buuuut it never got to finish its run n when had chance the actors etc had new contracts and some jus had new lives x) but yes to the point of your post orville crushes it i was so psyched to see a season 3 @new horizons!! love that mcfarlane picked up where they left off aswell rather than jumping around like some shows do tryna make you guess what happened in the time gap they add between seasons so to speak
26% critic score! 93% audience score! Can we just fire all the critics now?
Bayformers - 85% audience score. Can we fire all the audiences now?
@@TheaterPup Nobody hires audiences in the first place.
No! We must rename “audience score” to “deplorables score!”
Keep in mind you're comparing 50 critics to 8000 audience members. Also consider the type of people willing to take the time to post a review. The audience score on RT doesn't reflect the opinions of the average audience member not on RT.
The audience viewership ratings for the season 2 premiere were down from the season 1 premiere, but higher than the average episode last year. Although to be fair season 1 had a pretty big premiere at 8million+. Season 2 premiere ratings were 5.6 million. Based on those numbers though is it possible that some audience members lost interest after the 1st season? Granted you also have to take into account things such as premiere date, competition, and many other factors.
By comparison...
The Walking Dead season 2 premiere improved upon its season 1 premiere ratings, from 5.3 to 7.2 million.
9-1-1 (also on FOX) ratings for its season 2 premiere also improved upon its season 1 premiere, from 6.8 to 9.8 million.
WonderfulFilms nobody with a brain care about them anyway
I like to think of The Orville as what the other ships were doing when the Enterprise was off doing Star Trek things.
Also Star Trek: Lower Decks. Which is the most Star Trek of the current actual Star Treks IMHO
Just imagine Enterprise hailing another ship for assistance in something only to recieve a response from the Orville that says "The ship is momentarily inoperational, the computer has a virus from when an officer downloaded shady porn"
My dad is a bigger Trek fan than I am, and even he has stated that "The Orville" is closer to Roddenberry's vision than anything that's come out of Paramount/CBS since "DS9."
I've been a Trekker from the beginning, and I agree The Orville is more like Trek than anything CBS/Paramount has pooped out since 2009.
@@ninjabearpress2574 I've been a Trekker from the beginning, and I agree The Orville is more like Trek than anything CBS/Paramount has puked out since 2009.
Your pappy is a wise one
YES! and DS9 was AMAzing!!
Well, Seth McFarlane probably has more love for Star Trek than the people presently monetizing it for Paramount/CBS...
Really surprised by The Orville. With every episode it has worked it's way deeper into my heart. Never shys away from serious story lines, but also keeps a great balance between the original series sense of fun and wonder and the later series dramatic integrity. All credit to Seth for investing his considerable acting talent into the role of Ed Mercer. Fantastic supporting cast and production values too! Here's to many more series.
When a joke not only makes you laugh but think as well then you’ve struck gold. When Seth MacFarlanes character asked Isaac if their race is legendarily racist, that made me laugh and think back to data, did data ever have a superiority complex towards his fellow crew men? The answer is obviously no because he always wanted to be accepted by his crew man and wanted to know and understand human feeling and emotions.
The difference between Data and Isaac is that Data did not come from an entire society of robots and was not programmed to consider humans and other organic races inferior. Isaac is not only mechanical, but also part of a hive mind, like the Borg and the Dominion.
The Borg tested Data's programming rules architechture robustness, it's final frontier. Isaac IS the Borg without the organic parasitic dependance of a host but a hacked pure automata AI collective entity severed from the heirarchic hive, for now.
@@Opinionatoronline Data was meant to be more human and an individual, just missing emotions. Look at Lore, give him
a more human paint job and he would have blended in fine ,other than being a psychopath.
Just remembered the missing leg prank. Best laugh i had on the show :).
Isaac is the badass of the ship. Hands down.
gusty9053 That was genius. xD
Oh yeah this one was so good.
@Daniel Appleton It's a stale trope, especially in a trek-esque setting. Glad they ditched it for simply a passing interest in understanding his mates.
Thank goodness it was only his LEG xD
Seth is shockingly a true Trekkie. He wanted to make real Trek. They refused so we got Orville instead. Not a fan of the crude humour, but it’s the closest thing we Have to real Star Trek.
Tiger Dragon yep, it’s an imitation, like just galaxy quest is. It’s all we have I’m afraid, STD wouldn’t ever deliverer on real Trek.
@Tiger Dragon Do you not understand what the word "closest" means?
Hanniffy Dinn Yeah Seth even tried to make his own fan production of Star Trek as a teenager/young guy.
@Tiger Dragon It literally has the word "Trek" in the title. But that's about it: ua-cam.com/video/fGi8j_slU_E/v-deo.html
@Tiger Dragon Discovery is basically Battletrek Starwarsica. Some might consider it a decent generic sci-fi show. It may even appear to share some very surface-level aspects with previous Trek outings, particularly the JJ Abrams films. But other than that it bears little resemblance to a Trek series.
If I were living in the Star Trek future I'd probably act just like they do on the Orville.
Personally, I consider MacFarlane to be the "Terry Nation" of this century. You may or may not be aware, but Nation was the writer who originally created the Daleks in Doctor Who, and also created the fantastic British sci-fi series Blake's 7. Like MacFarlane, Nation established himself initially as a comedy writer, yet ended up making a huge contribution to science fiction.
Macfarlane comes from the same age as we do. Like us, he grew up on TOS, TNG, DS9, etc, Doctor Who, etc so he has a fundamental understanding of what makes both quality science fiction and television. After seeing the first season of The Orville, I so desperately wanted to speak with him personally and thank him for his work on the series. It deserves far more recognition that it gets.
But by the third season, all was lost. Sad.
Who would have ever thought in a million years.. that Star Trek having been molested and defiled for decades by HORRIBLE spin-offs.... would end up being saved by a "Galaxy Qwest" esque' independent show by a cartoon comedian!!! And it ends up being the TRUE spiritual successor to TNG.. You can't make this stuff up!
A massive battle to Dolly Partons 9 to 5 song and i somehow was exited, amused and thoroughly enjoying the show. that is genius.
So you’re saying that a show incorporating social issues into well written scripts, with intelligence, and subtlety - while fairly presenting both sides of the argument - is actually more entertaining than one that doesn’t bother to find good stories, but instead takes a hard line stance for only one side, then constantly smashes the viewers over the head with it.....? That’s crazy talk! 🤪
Actually, that sounds pretty good to me, haven’t seen it yet, but I’m going to definitely check out The Orville. 👍
"But but but... Star Trek was _always_ progressive!"
Artamus Sumatra Great time to jump in, too. Season 2 is coming out soon.
You will love it. I thought the 1st 2 episodes were a bit meh! But as said here the 3rd story with Bortus's daughter was the one that clicked with me and from then it hit high gear
I absolutely *_love_*_ The Orville._ I'm confident you will too. There are too many good episodes in Season 1 to pick just one as my favorite. And I am so looking forward to watching Season 2. So happy it didn't get cancelled.
Artamus Sumatra wouldn't that be great if Discovery did this? Shame you can't bring that up without being attacked and dismissed. CBS should be condemning these toxic fans, but for all we know they are paying some of them to defend it.
It's basically Star Trek but better. It dared to ask "what if The Next Generation was populated with real people, not perfect caricatures who only listen to classical music?"
Edit: okay, classical music and really stiff jazz.
... too far.
Or if it was populated with a captain that actually listened to the "Mozart of Warp Drives" instead of yelling at him to shut up whenever he spoke.
@@nomohakon6257 Not far enough!
To be fair mate I am an absolutely terrible specimen of a human being, but I do listen to classical music daily. Even trash appreciates quality.
@@EvgeneXI sure, same here. But I don't just listen to classical music. My point was that there's no way that everybody in the future has the same sophisticated tastes.
"Idenity" part 1 and 2, were solid and amazing episodes.
Just watched them last night, holy hell that was a rollercoaster
I just wish this show didn't push gay agenda.
@@mikeymcmikeface5599 yea...but this weeks episode was actually good. loved that burn that ed mercer gave to the mochlans
True they were favorite
@@mikeymcmikeface5599 There is no "gay agenda".
You know, when they announced Discovery I was cautiously optimistic. I didn't really care who was on both sides of the camera. I wanted to drop to my parents for a dinner and watch an episode of Star Trek with them, as we did when I was a kid on the good old telly.
I paid no attention to naysayers when they criticized the premise of 'main character' on a Star Trek show. I could see the show opening with a 'fish out of water' character we'd experience the world with - after all, there is a new generation of fans who might not know much about Star Trek. Having a protagonist that learns it with them could work just fine.
And then I saw the pilot... and the episode after the pilot.
And then I forced myself through 3rd episode... and the 4th.
At that point, I gave up. I actually showed the pilot to my mum (the person who introduced me to Star Trek, to begin with!) but she disliked it. It was loud, chaotic, flashy and to quote her own words "The Klingons would look better if they went back to their TOS costumes."
Orville on the other hand - while spiked with sometimes really immature humour - was like the breath of old air. Old, good air that carried a scent of simple stories tackling greater real-life issues.
I wanted to love Star Trek: Discovery.
And for what it's worth, I enjoy acting on that show.
But the premise and execution weren't Star Trek at all. And it hurt something inside of me that I didn't even know existed.
You sir are a true fan and you understand the universe that The Great Bird brought to the screen.
Orville is a love letter to TNG. You can tell how much Macfarlane respects and admires the show this one is based on. I hope they make it to 7 seasons.
Side Note - I especially love the way they show these are "the other guys" in space exploration. Like how Classical concertos are replaced by Karaoke Night xD.
Why just 7 seasons? Why not 10 or 20?
@@Aar0nDavis "make it to 7" translates to me as hopeful to make that milestone but rather uncertain. No limit on more if it gets there.
Macfarlane had tried heading a new Star Trek series years ago but was too tied up with Family Guy's success and his other endeavors plus he was pretty much rejected. The way he described sounded like he wanted to take it back to the TNG era with social commentary and all that. I was sad to hear that it would never happen. Now I'm super glad it never happened. They can be as creative as they want with their own license versus having to bend to the whims of all that's tied to the Star Trek license.
@@lucidexistance1 I think MacFarlane's previous pitch being rejected is probably why he initially billed The Orville as a comedic parody of Star Trek. Allegedly, MacFarlane feared that if he pitched The Orville as a serious sci-fi, it would be rejected. I think this is probably why all of the trailers prior to S1 depicted it almost exclusively as a comedy, bordering on being similar to Galaxy Quest. However, we later learned that the scenes in the trailers were actually isolated moments that were separated by wide swaths of serious drama akin to TNG. As the season progressed, the comedy continued to get dialed back.
So far, S2 has almost been completely devoid of any comedy. MacFarlane said in an interview that in response to audiences approving of the more serious tone in S1, he would be focusing more on sci-fi stories in S2 and less on comedy.
A series writer that sees what audiences respond positively to and doubles down on it.....what a novel approach.
Now if only Chibnall could learn the same lesson...
@@sixstanger00 Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Awesome! Although I'll admit I found myself laughing in season 2 as well. Like how the "Mucklins?" I don't know the spelling at the moment, but the divorce scene was funny as hell. After it was explained at first. "He did nothing wrong, he was divorcing me!"
It's really also interesting to see more former Trek actors and writers show up for the Orville in some way than the actual Star Trek!
Cbs tried hard to stop that from happening.
@@icepicjoey uh? Really?
Humour HAS always been part of Trek...
"When I stroke the beard thusly... do I not appear more intellectual?"
"Majority Rule" I think is a brilliant episode that should be shown in schools.
For China is too late, check their social credit system, Orwell must be spinning in his grave like crazy.
Ah yes, I really hope that is NOT where society is heading.
We've seen careers ruined on Twitter these last few years, public apologies, doxing, witch hunting and outrage sharing, there's an entire section of media based on generating more outrage like this.
The people who propagate this kind of thing are an extremely small section of society(about 8-10% according to surveys and research a while ago) but they're loud as hell and clearly influential enough to routinely ruin people's lives. A significant, if only in influence, portion of modern western society is there already. Hopefully the backlash against it from normal thinking people is enough.
That episode was incredible but also frightening because a lot of the ideas in that episode are happening now.
Personally I think if the stars should appear was better but so far all the episodes have been good
I forced myself through the first 2 episodes of the orville, which are almost insufferable for someone who doesn't like slapstick humor. From episode 3 onwards they reduce the slapstick comedy to more mature jokes and the becomes amazing. I'm glad I stuck with it.
Orville > STD
Season 2 is 3-4 times better because of all that. That show matured very quickly.
@Master Of Puppets You never saw it Troll
The Orville had great plans but had to shake off the 'Star Trek' Lawyers by looking foolish in the first episodes.
So The Doctor and Her children 'lost in space', was the first great Episode.
The Child Actors are Adorable and the Doc was truly wonderful. The plot was truly exciting. Poker is it? Lawyers be damned
@Master Of Puppets Then 'Hail the lord Trump! He will lead the world to a flatter America
I actually wasn't as concerned as most people when I heard about Seth and The Orville. Seth is a huge film/TV fan, more importantly a huge star trek fan. I assumed he had a lot of respect for the series, it's creators/writes and it's actors.
I figured the last thing he would do would make it a laughing stock or bring any sort of shame to the series. To me, when I heard what he was doing, I felt it was being done as a tribute.
Glad to see that it is even better than I hoped.
I kinda feel like Seth himself is surprised at how successful it was. The fact that a lot of old Strek regulars are flocking to the series gives me hope that it will continue.
He patterned the show after the format of MASH. A serious show to be taken seriously, but the people are imperfect, fallible and ordinary. They goof up and goof around. They have issues and they make jokes.
Perfection.
I love M.A.S.H.!
I love this comparison. That's how i see the show, it's serious on the surface what with there everyday lives but of course you'll have some people playing around and joking cause that's just how people are.
Not to mention hogans heroes to an extent.
I tried to like STD but i couldn't. I found the orville and fell in love after one episode.
Also the new Star Trek series is being sued for stealing the story.
*plagiarism
@@Wiromax3 Interesting. Which story?
@@MixolydianMode
Basically the entire plot
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Who the heck likes STD's? :-P
Why is the Orville so bright? It's an anti-Krill defense.
It's not even joke 100%. Finally someone explained why it's so dark on the bad guys ships.
Did anyone see a sign inside the Krill ship that said " no flash photography' ?
well the krill do have those fancy suits and helmets but yeah sound reasoning there to make it uber bright in case one of their visors breaks or they lose their helmet, boom, all over.
@@spaceflight1019 yep, fun little details like that give the world a 'lived in' feel to it
I'm glad they steered clear of the grim!dark "everything looks like the depths of Carlsbad Caverns because reasons" approach far too many sci-fi properties have flocked to of late. Stargate:Universe gnawed on my last nerve with its insistence on presenting everything as though it was filmed in a coal-mine with a kid's night-light as the sole source of illumination. People would literally disappear from view into a largely featureless coal-sack background when not appearing to float around like bodiless heads.
What was especially frustrating was the ton of money obviously poured into the sets disappeared on-screen, only becoming apparent when BTS photos were published. Ugh.
MacFarlane is actually a genius. He is super intelligent and interested in science. If you aren't aware, he was the one who approached Fox and pushed for a new Cosmos, and after they finally he agreed, he also approached Tyson to host it, and is the executive producer of Cosmos.
Completely legit. It is an open love letter to Star Trek.
Funny how we gained star trek under a different name and lost doctor who under the same name. The world has gone ass backwards
Maybe we'll get a legit version of _Inspector Spacetime_ to replace _Doctor Who._ XD
Yep, even the budget for Dr who looks low . And ignoring original Canon, refusing to bring back original enemy's, ignoring fans,sound familiar?
We have sci fi franchises that are Killed or dying under SJWs doing the writing. Orville is more Star Trek than Discovery will be. Doctor who fans will need a new doctor who under a new name. Less SJW writing and more character and merit developing.
Daniel Appleton you are soooooooo wrong. Netflix “Lost in Space” was sjw feminism rammed down the throats of viewers. Father Robinson is a military dad who has all but lost his family due to dedication and service, his kids don’t relate to him, barely like him, while super mom the scientist repeatedly saves the day compared to his weak, barely masculine toxic self. Oh, and they are on the brink of divorce, following an unofficial “break”. It was sickening to watch that inside of what was actually a good show. Despite the relentless attack on masculinity.
@Daniel Appleton Sorry mate, ive been watching that series too. The father, with combat experiance and as such emergency first aid and basic medical skills would have been given and that's coming from my own experiance in RNZIR as just a private and rifleman during my 1985 intake ,basic training.
This guy was a commander, and they gave him a back seat while the women tended the wounded, and ignored his advice and went off half cocked on a ill advised rescue mission, from the advice of children no less, with admittedly no such first hand skills? That he had no idea as a soldier how to scrounge elements to make a high heat incinidary explosive, to burn through several feet of ice? Lol!
Sorry pal, in real life you don't put your life in the hands of bookworms and tech geeks under those conditions. And instead of domestic squabbles, they should be focusing on survival, working as a TEAM,playing to their individual strengths, better than this.
Star Trek: Orville
@Route 69 But then it would be entertaining again, and the halfwits who own it now don't want that.
Is it canon to TV, no? Then F*ck off!
@@XSilver_WaterX Is what cannon to what tv? Context matters.... jackass.
@@icepicjoey Trek story is not canon unless directed to tv media. Like TOS, TNG, DS9, DVY. Non-tv media like the novels are their own separate universe. Dumbass.
@@XSilver_WaterX ok so "trek story is not cannon unless directed to tv media."
Okay... so I need to try to translate your statement. So your context is something to do with canon.
Which there are no posts here referring to the orville as canon...
And So far no one here thinks its ST canon as far as I've seen.
So WTF are you talking about?
Asshat....
I love their starship! There is a hidden joke in it. Look carefully at the ship from behind when its leaving in the opposite direction. It appears to be laughing; that is so great about the show. It offers up a good time and has no need to take itself seriously like so many sci-fi shows do. Yet the writing, direction, special effects and finally the acting is so professional. GOOD JOB, SETH! CONTINUE!
Seth needs to get Tim Allen to guest star as another captain on the Orville
Should his catch phrase be “to infinity, and beyond!” ;-)
@@WouterCloetens No, it should be "Never give up, never surrender!"
That would be hilarious
Only if the ship is set to self-destruct and they manage to stop it with 1 second left.
OMG YES! This would be so amazing haha
I cannot agree with this video more. Excellent. I especially am glad you point out the issue about the lighting and the look of the bridge. STD (is that what we are all calling it now? lmao) has gotten better in the last 2 seasons but I really hate not having a defined and understandable ship.
My best scene is when the two aliens try smoking cigarettes!🤣
Mine 2 😁🤣
The show is absolutely bang on. Wasn't sure in first episode. But I gets better every episode.
Lol, I can’t stop laughing every time you say “STD” instead of Star Trek: Discovery, that acronym is perfect!
You get an STD by watching it. What the hell did they do to star trek.
The "official" TLA for Star Trek Discovery is "DSC" (as put forth by CBS) but no one uses it. As far as I'm concerned "STD" is a much more accurate TLA for that trash.
Me too, constantly shaking my head over people using it. :P~
The phrase "pre-STD Trek" is killing me! 🤣👍
Just like everyone didn't like DS9, and then Voyager, and then Enterprise, and then Discovery. Also no Star Trek has ever used Star Trek as part of it's TLA. CBS is right in their choice. TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, DSC
I just watched (hands down) the finest episode of Star Trek that I've ever seen, and it was S02E04 of The Orville. It goes to show that when Gene Roddenberry created Star Trek, he made something bigger than himself. And it's bigger than CBS. CBS doesn't get to decide what is or isn't Star Trek. Because when it comes down to it, they work for us. We are who gets to decide that. Gene Roddenberry may have created it originally, but it's the people who love it that made it what it is. This episode of The Orville, it was clearly made by someone who loves what Star Trek is.
I was disappointed in STD before, but you know what? Despite some of the low-brow humour and the sexual jokes, it's Star Trek: Discovery, right now, that looks cheap and tawdry when held up to The Orville.
If Gene Roddenberry grew up listening to Billy Joel. How they worked his music in, Bravo. I'll never look at "She's always a Woman" the same way again. Great Episode, you have anyone on the fence about Orville, thats the one to show them.
Lol...we get to decide. No, pretty sure WE didn't decide not to have ANY Star Trek for 10 years
Kurt, if you loved episode 4, I bet you were completely giddy over episode 6, "A Happy Refrain". I know I was. I compared it to two of my favorite Trek episodes , TNG's "The Inner Light" and DS9's "Rocks and Shoals" and The Orville held its own in my opinion.
Episode 6 was surprisingly excellent.
Identity Parts 1 and 2 were awesome! (S2 E8&9)
I really wish people would stop referring to _The Orville_ as "The Real Star Trek." The people who own the rights to Star Trek had its chance to have the Orville as part of its universe. They refused. They lost the right to be connected to the Orville.
I had not heard that. Seth pitched this as a Star Trek spin off and was shot down?
Behind the scenes, they have had a lot of Star Trek alumni working on the show. It is very much a spiritual successor to Star Trek series.
I have read that they had a problem with copy right stuff and had to call it a parody. So not really star trek, but in the spirit of it all the way.
You know I never thought of it that way but I do have to agree.
We do it to troll and annoy Paramount, or whomever owns Star Trek now.
It's a GOOD thing, not a bad thing. 😈
Seth MacFarlane is more talented than people give him credit for. The Orville is so much fun to watch.
He writes, he directs, he acts, he writes and sings songs, he can dance, play instruments... he is a multi tasking genius compared to the window lickers over at STD.
Yeah I just think often times he needs help. He’s good but I agree with ralphthemoviemaker that he does better with people helping him out rather than 100% him. That and he probably does better in a shorter format. Yeah I really love the dude though; I wish I was one fourth as talented as him.
But he's anti-trump. Why support him?
people give him credit lol. maybe not the dude on this didn't
@Backstage Bum To be fair, when he was like 25, he got hired to create one of the most popular adult animated series of all time, earning him millions in the process just off that alone. If mid-20s you suddenly got millions of dollars and massive fame for creating your content that you wanted to create, and you were a jerk, how likely would you want to change who you are?
The biggest difference between the Oroville and discovery/Picard is that the writers care about the source material. Seth loves star trek and did his best to not ruin it's image. Discover hates star trek and wants to use it to push "The message"
I think it has a similar mix as Stargate, between the humour and drama.
So true. Many of the SFX reminded me of SG Atlantis. What we have with The Orville is a show written by a guy that is in love with the subject matter, clearly loved Sci Fi and just wanted to make his own show in the vein of TV greats such as Farscape, Trek, Star Gate. The result is we have have been given a show that is really really good. I am loving the Orville
except that Stargate is good and that is not
@@Charok1 and that is your opinion. According to this comment section and rotten tomatoes, you're clearly in the minority. Over 90% of the audience like the Orville.
@@Charok1 I love Stargate as well but I also love trek and the Orville fits that niche perfectly and the Expanse.
Bortus is often compared to Worf, but he's much more similar to Teal'c
This show is possibly the only show that makes me believe what I loved as a child is not dead today. I'm a massive Trek, Wars and Who fan - and all three of those franchises appear to have decided to abandon their core values and become something completely different. All at the same time. It saddens me to watch three franchises - all with different qualities - all seem to veer off and abandon what originally made them, in some ridiculous attempt to prove how progressive they are.
I mean, come on! These are the ORIGINAL progressive franchises. These are the shows that pushed boundaries and changed the way TV and movies were made. These aren't the franchises that needed "progressives," to come in and change. All these people have done is make them regressive from the opposite extreme. Talk about taking a great concept and shitting it into the ground!
It makes me horribly sad, but the success of the Orville manages to restore my hope. Even as the critics hate on it, it fights back just as the original Star Trek did. People forget how Trek was hated by the mainstream before it fought its way to the top. Now its back where it was, but under a different name. The fans, however, are smart enough to follow the true ideal, as opposed to the official, bought-out name.
That's one of the reasons Seth wanted to make this show. He talks about it all the time. He was a big fan back in the day.
I'd much rather live in the Orville universe than suffer through living in STD universe. It's so dark and everyone hates each other there in STD land.
If that's your take on Discovery then you clearly haven't watched the show. Discovery is a thousand times more interesting than the Snoreville. But you go ahead with your safe-as-milk Next Gen cosplay
@@christheghostwriter A true Star Trek fan wouldn't sound so hateful as you do, I hope you get lost in the Mycelial Network with your hateful Disco friends.
@@OneofInfinity. riiight, I'm the one who sounds "hateful." Get a grip.
STD sucks. Badly. Very badly.
"STD universe" sounds like a parallel dimension where everyone has herpes, I guess that's why they're so angry all the time.
I HATE Seth Mc's other stuff, but on receiving a copy of the Orville Season 1 DVDs for Christmas, I watched it. I realized that there is one HUGE difference between Star Trek and the Orville. This ship isn't the Union/Federation Flagship. These are the other guys, the ones the Enterprise has to sail in and avenge or rescue. They are deeply flawed individuals who none the less are going to give their all for their ship, their crew and the Union.
These flaws and the character growth to overcome them is part of the fun. The fact they can put aside their problems and work on the mission was also part of the show, from the first episode. They'll never be good enough to man the heavy cruisers (Enterprise class) and this is also noted, but they're pretty good. So if you were expecting the Enterprise and are getting the Orville you aren't getting THE best, but you'll be getting THEIR best.
NK_33 - you got it. Even their ship is named after the quiet, introspective Wright brother, not the extroverted one.
So...they're Voyager? Though that was the most technologically advanced ship of the federation, when it set out at least.
@@IzzySarru They're probably the class the Intrepid-class (Voyager) replaced.
The Orville reminds of the best of the Original Series. Often political, both sides presented, and the right amount of humor. It IS Star Trek.
Right I have a slight left lean and some of the episodes had me questioning what I would do. I like how on the ones that do that no matter what happens no side feels "right" it Is just people dealing with the choice they made.
Someone told me about the Orville
I sat through both seasons in one go
Its AWESOME!!
That's a killer way to do it. Fantastic!
Doctor Who: You can not be a single parent that is wrong
The Orville: Being a single parent is hard but I do it because I love my kids
No.
@@kepeb1 No?
When did Doctor Who ever say anything about being a single parent being wrong???
@@goodnewsgeek42 They made them out to be very bad, a father greaving wanting his wife back is bad, his father who had to go for reasons we don't no is bad, the Orville, we know her husband is dead, it is not bad for her because we know what it's like and she is a strong woman but men are potrade so badly in doctor who when it comes to single parenting
Flamer997 Her husband isn't dead??? Are you just making shit up as you go along mate?
The Orville is incredible so far
Orville: Highly successful and well received. Apparently mothballed.
Batwoman, Supergirl, Dr. Who, Star Trek Discovery: Consistently tanking and yet constantly getting renewed for more seasons.
The better argument would be Quality over Quantity. Fortunately STD is dead now.
@@sgtmyers88 I mean...I did post this 2 years ago...
Seth is a hardcore trekker. He even got a cameo as an engineer.
I wanted him to have the rights to Star Trek after only a couple episodes of The Coosmos. He understood the original and carried the torch. There were stories about him wanting the rights and I thought he should have had his shot then.
The episode with the child and gender change actually surprised me a bit and pretty much cemented my opinion of The Orville. It was far more serious than you would have expected from MacFarlane and showed what the Orville could do with both drama and comedy. The ending actually surprised me as well. If this had been older Trek (like TNG, etc) I honestly don't think the ending would have been as (potentially) realistic as the episode ending was. Love this series and hope it stays good and around for a long time.
Went into the show expecting family guy
Stayed for stellar writing, fantastic characters and my first introduction to a Star Trek like series!
@Roger Wilco >Voyager
There's about 3-5 episodes of voyager per season that are worth watching, and at least the same number that should be avoided like a plague.
You want good trek? DS9. Only episode you should definitely skip in the whole show is s01e09; the rest range from pretty good to the best damn trek you will ever see.
Lol. Star Trek like series. Guess again. It's a Galaxy Quest like series.
Spot on review, it’s somewhat ironic the video ends with the assertion that The Orville is Star Trek in all but name, because I find STD is Star Trek in name only.
STD is so cold, sterile and joyless that I really don’t care much that it’s coming back. The Orville on the other hand- I haven’t been so excited to see Star Trek since the heydays of the Berman era!
Now if you’ll excuse me, I’ve had a lot to drink and need to take a Ja’loja...
It's not a real Ja'loja unless we get to attend the "ceremony".
For me the thing the makes Star Trek what it is, is that it portrays a somewhat idealized vision of the future, that most of humanity's problems have been dealt with and things are overall good. There are still problem out there (often modern day problems with sci-fi window dressing), big ones sometimes; but with technical know-how and a can-do spirit, we can boldly go out into the unknown knowing we can solve those problems.
And it goes without saying that the dour tone and conspiracy minded show that is STD, it just doesn't feel like Trek.
@Daniel Appleton It won't get the Firefly treatment. Seth has a LOT of pull with FOX. Via Family Guy he has made them a shit ton of money and if you consider the budget of The Orville it ONLY exists because Seth told FOX he wanted to make it. They would have turned down the concept had it been proposed by literally anyone else.
With Star Trek's glory days over, we're all looking to the Orville now.
The Orville is outstanding! Like you, my wife does not like Family Guy but was wowed by the Orville. We both agreed its mixing of humor and Sci-Fi works. She is not a huge Sci-Fi fan but got the subtle parody between it and Star Trek including its characters Bortus/Klyden/Worf , La Marr/La Forge and Isaac/Data. We both get it and we will be watching it instead of STD which is NOT true Star Trek!
Rod Strayer Yeah I’ve always hated Family Guy but the Orville blew me away by how good it was. In fact I liked the Orville so much that it’s pretty much the reason I went back and gave the original Star Trek a chance, which I’m still watching the first season of.
I had my doubts about it too due to his past works but gave it a shot because hardly anyone is even attempting to make Sci-Fi anymore. I was pleasantly surprised by the amazing quality of it. Not perfect but still one of the best Sci-Fi TV shows that has been made in years.
Space...The Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the Starship Orville. Its continuing mission: To continue the real Star Trek adventures inspired by Gene Roddenberry's visions. To seek first contacts with new aliens and civilizations while having lots of fun. To boldly go where no Trek has gone before!!
LGranthamsHeir Nice !
@jdslyman Too bad he got his own Picard show now. Otherwise, he would've guest-starred in "The Orville" too :-(
Baaaz ha ha ha ha. It is nothing like Star Trek.
Great video, you hit the nail on the head. Old Trek asked a question of the audience, it didn't tell them the answer. It challenged you to think for yourself about any given social issue, they didn't tell you what to think.
My favorite character on the Orville is the ship's doctor. She is so great and she is super cute!
bt she fucked the green gell guy
She does a Fantastic job!
@6:28..."Real STAR TREK is about hope"...so true...
You, sir, are so right! STD is crap ... The Orville is the new Trek. Can't wait for season three!
Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Orville...
Sounds so right.
Except for the ship name, it makes me think of popcorn, would need a name like Endeavor or Victory IMO.
@tylerx2f01 Surely the sister ship would be named _Wilbur_
@@ReddwarfIV Nah, sister ship should be Cuddles and/or Keith Harris.
God, I'm old: ua-cam.com/video/lcip1SYmfAY/v-deo.html
I read that in Patrick Stewart's voice.
You misspelled that. “Orville. Sounds so Wright.”
I honestly think that Discovery was written by people who have never watched Star Trek, only ever read reviews and critiques of Star Trek.
Yeah. Discovery isn't Star Trek in any way. Enterprise either, but I think Scott Bacula was the wrong person for the job.
@@UnderMan Yeah, but I felt that the Enterprise writers at least tried to produce Star Trek. Discovery is just SJW propaganda with a Trekish theme.
@@Tenebrous76
Just a question. I also grew up with star trek...and...isnt the think behind it all...social Justice? Doesnt mean thst i like std
@@fahrradhupe3911 Technically yes. BUT the big difference was that the in every other Trek setting, the story came first. Sure there was always a message there but the message was part of the story. In STD it is the other way round. It is Social Justice first and story second. They see STD as a mans to convey SJ first and foremost. FFS they seem to have just plagarised an old video game for most of the central plot line. That how little time they spend on story telling, what they care about is the propaganda and that comes through loud and clear watching that show.
I was born the week TOS went on the air. I have been a Trek fan my whole life. I love Discovery and am happy they are trying new things. You can keep your Snoreville next-gen cosplay with its recycled Trek scripts and "Weekly Adventures of the Bridge Crew and Their Magical Reset Button" storytelling.
Don't know why The Orville hasn't been on my radar. This great 'tube has convinced me I'm really missing out. Thanks!
I love this show. So glad it’s been renewed. Seth Mac farlane you god
@James2802: "renewed" as in a 3rd season? *Please say yes*
Jaqen H'ghar I don’t know. Hopefully
@@thevexoffender8197 I'm confused, you said you were glad it was renewed. I thought perhaps it was renewed for a 3rd season. Oh well. #WishfulThinking
Jaqen H'ghar nah I meant glad it got renewed for season 2
@@thevexoffender8197 👍
I have one huge issue with The Orville. I don't know where I can stream it.
Hulu.
I pay for Hulu primarily for Orville.
The bad part is: Se don't have hulu in Brazil... only Netflix and Amazon prime, I have tô download in torrent to watch it, I can watch, buy I'm not giving views/rising it's audience points, I feel like... blammed
@@mariooli9268 I tried to find an answer for you and couldn't. What you can do is get a VPN. That will allow you to get a USA IP address and stream hulu.
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One subtle thing they recently did I really liked. So lots of future sci-fi shows make reference to songs and other stuff from the past and it's always something the audience will recognize. The Orville is guilty of this too, but in one recent episode they referenced a song from 2160 or something. And I was so grateful because that's the way real people talk. If they remember an old song it's not always going to be one from 300 years ago. In fact it's almost never going to be.
One of my FAVORITE shows! Can’t wait for Season 3 🥰
Your review made my eyes Ja'loja with joy.
Seth played a minor reoccurring role as part of the engineering team in Star Trek Enterprise. He loves the show as much as any Trek fan
Reminds me of Galaxy Quest
I agree, that wasn't a bad show either. I think this is a little better because of the people involved, some being connected to Star Trek.
@@johnmarks227 I think you might be confusing the Tim Allen movie Galaxy Quest with something else. A show? This movie was very much like Orville: a comedy that serves as a fun sci fi fantasy: www.imdb.com/title/tt0177789/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Ddin't they make a pilot for that as a tv show....could have been something else i'm thinking of.
Read the link and it was a show that got cancelled as I thought.
@@johnmarks227 It's a 1999 1 hour 42 min movie spoofing Star Trek. The topic is that they had been an early 1980s TV show that was canceled. To make ends meet, the actors now do conventions like Shatner et. al. do in real life. Space Aliens have been receiving transmissions of the show and think it is real: that they are watching "historical documents". So when they need the help of that "crew" they build a real model of the ship from the show and talk the actors into helping them. It was especially funny to me and mine as we adore Star Trek, conventions, and show business in general as well as Sci Fi. Side splittingly hilarious to us while serving as really good Sci Fi Fantasy. I hope you get to see it.
The Orville now stands long side STNG and STDS9
You mean the only two people don't whine about.
Look, I get people have certain tastes, but I enjoyed Enterprise, Voyager (mostly), and the JJ verse (by accepting its an alternate timeline). Even STD could work if it wasn't called Star Trek.
And what do I get for that? People looking down on me like I'm a dog turd on their show. I respect what they watch, why can't they do the same.
Sorry for the rant, needed to get it off my chest.
Actually, I think The Orville is more like Voyager in tone and style than anything else. Those characters knew how to let their hair down a bit.
@@Meoknet watch the opening to the orville and voyager side by side, they're extremely similar. Voyager was clearly the template for the orville.
@@mattevans4377 You can like bad things, Matt, but that doesn't change what they are. If you're not part of the crowd screaming at the fans like it's their fault they don't like these things, then don't take criticism of the shows themelves so damn personal.
Common, thats not really fair TNG and DS9 are serrious shows. Its easy to like "humorous" show like Orville, but to like serrious one as TNG or DS9, that means they are in fact better.
such a good show no joke, while the cgi and visuals aren't top notch the passion and spirit and characters you can just feel the energy and level of love for the franchise here. Tackling and turning issues on their head drawing parallels with Moclus and the union with the UN and its members
And fyi I actually love Discovery, its an incredibly well made show I really don't understand the hate, its really toxic.
The nine remaining Discovery fans have viewed this video
As today is 159 - perhaps critics came and down vote?
Loved it from day one, also remembered Seth's short appearances on two episodes of Enterprise as an engineer.
STD's first season wasn't filling the Trek void after Enterprise's sudden death, I most admit that the second season of Discovery story wise looks more like the Star Trek I've always enjoyed and loved since my childhood.
Keep the shows coming. I am a trekkie from back to the original and this has a FRESH look at real people in space, people who like to relax and have a real party, fun and still have hang-ups, things that star trek lacked. it was so stiff necked and these people are not BUT they are still disciplined and come through when the chips are down.
the orville is so much better than Discovery
I love Red Dwarf and I love Star Trek so the way the Orville balances comedy and drama into sci-fi it's only natural for me to love it too.
THIS IS THE STAR TREK WE DESERVE!
(And nice to hear you giving a positive review. Good one.)
I love how they managed to take something like taking a pee and make it a serous ritual. Brilliant!
mitchcraft - it was a clever parody of the Vulcan Pon Farr (mating ritual).
I like Star Trek Discovery as much as any other STD.
Final episode of STD, they should be defeated by IKS Penicillin...
Cunny funt... Love it.
Mateo Sid - so what? I find them funny. Always. Until the end of time. Sooo, you can shove your OMG guysss somewhere dark and moist.
At least other STDs start with something fun...
@@jammin023 Star Trek is supposed to be fun too.
Only watched this video now. The Orville is a Love Letter to the original Start Trek
I just now finished watching Orville for the first time (the pee episode). I would not have watched it at all except that earlier today I saw a positive review of the series on You Tube. My first reaction was "this is a comedy version of Star Trek and I am not into comedy scifi". My second reaction was "Well at least there is some interesting light drama included". My third reaction was "I could actually watch this and enjoy it for what it is". My conclusion was "It is better than "The Force Awakens", "The Last Jedi", the new "Doctor Who" and "Star Trek Discovery".
It is a rather boring episode of The Orville if not the worst of all series so far. Try Majority rule or If the stars should appear or Mad Idolatry or Krill episodes - so fantastic that I even remember the titles of them and I don't remember titles of most episodes in other series at all.
@@Dziki_z_Lasu the Krill episode is my favorite!
@@Dziki_z_Lasu I think the point the original poster was trying to make was that even the worst episode of Orville was better than the four aforementioned movies/shows.
J Scott Upton - I watched a few and was unimpressed. But I have different standards than many.
Star Trek is not dead.It lives within the Orville!
No. it lives inside the Black Mirror en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Callister
I believe that Roddenberry would approve of Seth's vision of Star Trek. You can tell Seth must have loved the original and he has carefully crafted every episode to follow that footprint. He has made a lot of Trekkies happy.
See I didn't even realize the cast was so diverse until this video.
I 100% agree that The Orville is TRUE Star Trek. Much better than that Sexually-Transmitted Disease. Ugh.
Foebane72 ikr? Still can't get over "Star Trek: [the] Disease". They could have used any name; Star Trek Endeavor, Star Trek Firefall, Star Trek GetPaid, whatever, but no!
I still enjoy STD, it's not real Star trek, more a star trek themed space action, but that's ok because we've got real star trek back in the Orville.
Still just tv shows though
It can't compare to Star Trek. Have you even seen any episodes of Star Trek?
This is Galaxy Quest in a TV series.
Star Trek is/WAS about hope. Now it’s Orville that is about hope.
Took the words right outta myself, broham.
Excellent job.