The Orville 26% Rotten Tomatoes Critics Score Proves They Are Irrelevant | Audience Score 93%
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- The Orville 26% Rotten Tomatoes Critics Score exposes the 'Access Media' for what they are. So much love for Doctor Who and Star Trek Discovery, but none for The Orville? In doing research for my Doctor Who videos I came across this and was reminded why this is the perfect example why critics are no longer needed. Almost a perfect inversion of the Doctor Who Critic/Audience score. They can't all have that bad of taste..can they? Let's go back and read some of their reviews and then some new ones from the fans.
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To quote Rich Evans,the man the myth the legend:'' STD feels like a show,made by people who don't know anything about Star Trek and is the exact opposite of everything Star Trek stands for.The show is called ''discovery'' and the only thing they're doing is blowing shit up! Stop blowing shit up and do some actual exploration,ffs. The fact,that Seth McFarlane's Orville,feels more Star Trek,then the official Star Trek speaks for itself.''
Rich said it even better in an earlier episode, "Star Trek is supposed to be a future that you actually want to live in". STD was just a depressing hellish future no one is hoping for.
Watching Seth's Orville makes it pretty damn clear that Seth is a true Star Trek fan.
When Mike asked Rich "what was the point of the season?" To which Rich replied "I don't know? Let's blow stuff up and let's have battles. Then in the last 10 minutes let's tack on a "war am bad" message." Both Mike and Rich seem to genuinely love Trek for what Roddenberry wanted it to be. A story of exploration, discovery (somewhat a tainted word now) and making a better world that the viewers would actually want to be a part of (as Jason Gamer said).
Sounds like Rich only ever watched Next Gen.
@@grippercrapper He's such a fan he made his way onto two episodes of Star Trek: Enterprise. Brief moments but still more than most could ever dream. (Season 3 Episode 20 and Season 4 Episode 15)
Sounds like the "critics" jackets didn't have enough Zippers
Orville fans will know what I mean.
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Boom!
David L 👽👍🏼
Sweetness....
Needs one more zipper!
Lol, excellent!!
Always go with one more zipper than you're comfortable with...
I like the Orville as it's probably the closest thing we'll ever get to a Galaxy Quest TV Series.
But do you watch Red Dwarf out of curiosity?
Indeed. Homage that is both parody and respectful of that which they parody.
Red Dwarf is amazing.
Mr. Flibble's going to be very cross if you don't watch his episode.
huge fan of red dwarf since 93. top 5 series of mine. all time
That comparison convinced me to try it.
The Orville is one of the best sci-fi shows in the last ten years.
I really, really agree. And I understand how people say it's a blatant ripoff of Star Trek, but I look at it as Orville pays homage to Star Trek (including having Star Trek actors on the show) while at the same time exploring issues in a new and modern way. I absolutely LOVED Orville, and I am a massive Trekkie.
Agreed
nope. its boring and preachy.
The Orville? Terrible show! It's not a "homage" to Star Trek, it's complete plagiarism, but it's 100 times worse than the Star Trek episodes they plagiarized. The acting is amateurish, direction is awful, computer animations are like in a cartoon. The worst!
@@lopezlopez7132 I love it Lopez lol
Critics don’t even watch what they’re reviewing anymore.
Nonsense.
They just look at the skin colour and gender of the leading actors and judge it accordingly.
That's utter bullshit.
All critcs care about is identity politics while the audience just wants to be entertained and have some escspism.
That's not true. Who even is "they"?
This is why I never listen to critics anymore.
This is why I never listened to critics in the first place.
Critics are shit. Liz Miller, talking to you..
I listen to critics, if they don't like it then it's probably going to be decent at least or even great.
Concerning critics, checkout The Twilight Zone's The Misfortunate Cookie. I can only say he got his just desserts. Pardon the pun.
Never bother reading them on the first place.
My wife and I, both in our 70s, love this show. It’s clever and fun. It’s never dark longer than a few seconds.
“Too dark, too real! wife creature starting to grow angry….! Do not upset menopausal airspace beep beep” Lol. Cheers mate.
It‘s amazing that the “Orville“ can address cultural issues like gender reassignment, homosexuality, technophilia, Awkward wall flowers, strong women, everyday schmo, religious fanaticism, family strife, etc. into a program that shows both sides without overt judgment. Simply defining the human condition with wit. The drama may not be all flash bang, but neither was the original series of “Star Trek“, which addressed cultural issues of the time. The OST covered technophobia, political suicide, race inequality, gender inequality, and so forth. In a machismo way but look at the other programs of the time.
I'm still floored that first female critic was all like 'is there no female characters I can identify with... blah blah blah". That's one of the great things I like about the Orville, well-developed characters with interconnectivity with the other characters. For instance, I see Alara and Kelly's relationship best resembling a younger sister/ older sister relationship. This pairs well with the Alara's insecurities about being pretty young for her position, in comes Kelly who acts as both a mentor and a friend.
@Zero .Karma they're not evil, at least I sure most aren't. Evil requires one to understand what they do is wrong and continue to doing it because in their head it benefits themsomehow ie Palpatine in Star Wars. SJWs are something altogether more dangerous; they are Zealots. They believe what they do is for the greater good, anyone who criticizes is Evil (othering), and because of that the ends justify the means. They seem have given up their sense of empathy as they are so emotionally attached to their idea, I don't think their brains have any neurons left dedicate towards that emotion.
I think the critic reviews are based on the pilots only. STD's Michelle Yeoh was simply a guest star and the Orville's dick jokes were toned down quite a bit as the season went on.
She cant identify with a character on the show because they dont have a character who only has traits that i cant describe on youtube without getting reported.
"There's none so deaf as those that will not hear, none so blind as those who will not see."
Well how on Earth could a weak pathetic whiny little girl identify with a strong and powerful woman?
Seriously, do we really need professional critics at all any more? I am a huge fan of Star Trek since the beginning watching it growing up as a child. I greatly enjoy The Orvill!
I really enjoy The Orville too. Everyone's a critic.
@@Emanuela9 True that!
Most critics aren't the type of critics people use to use.
Id take a youtube critic who does it on the side for fun and make a little money over a pro critic any day.
95% google users score.
My wife doesn't like Star Trek but loves The Orville, it's the only Trek show we can watch together, what does that tell you? Seth is better at getting new people into Star Trek than CBS!
It tells me Orville is nothing like Star Trek. Not that Discovery is either. Sometimes there's no obvious solution.
I think a lot of people see Star Trek as too cerebral or for nerds and The Orville is a great way to get new people into trek. They come into it thinking it is just a spoof and end up seeing episodes reminisent of Next Gen. Is it a lot like Galaxy Quest? yes, but it gets people into the genre and they might be more likely to check out the other Treks they might not have because they automatically dismissed them as for nerds. We all started watching Trek somewhere, many loved the shows of next gen era onwards but initially didn't like the original series because trekkie meant you were a nerd or the sets were cheesy but after you fell in love with trek you gain an appreciation for all trek and saw the origial series for its great stories and actors. I think that is what CBS and STD failed they tried to make a new trek to bring new people in they made a show that was more Star Wars than Star Trek, all action and no substance. Not saying that the original Star Wars didn't have substance, but the recent batch of movies, The Last Jedi, have been all flash. Star Trek has always had stories that made you think and Star Wars was always the more action/adventure of the two franchises.
@@Spicy_Meatball The fact is, most of us that love Trek are between our 40's and 60's or 70's. Trek had become stagnant and boring. I thought Voyager was god awful, and DS9 started so slow. It got rolling by the end though. I work at a elementary school, and a 4th grade teacher asked me how do they as teachers compete with technology such as video games and tablets etc to keep kids attention. My point is that the younger generation's entertainment is fast paced. A tng style show will not appeal to them. And the original audience is all getting older. What were they supposed to do? I thought discovery was ok, it had some good action and scenes. It is not ground breaking by any means. I don't get all obsessed with all this SJW stuff like some of you it seems, so that does not bother me. I just think they had to try to bring in new fans.
Same here! Wife can't get into any of ST, but does enjoy "The Orville" as much as I do.
This is the CLASSIC npc critique! same as Last Jedi, "my wife doesn't even like star wars but she loved LJ!"
"My wife is white wine drinker but loves Gallo rose'!"
Implies in ignorant amateur who doesn't know the shot qualifies as a critic?
This episode is a Love Boat ripoff of Amok Time, but as usual for Orville, lacks any seriousness or emotional maturity. Orville is blackish in space. Captain Kuck is pathetic. Kelly loves humiliating him over and over, and apparently there's a class of person, your wife, that enjoys watching that.
Also stalking ginger, gross, hitting on the new crew immediately, then getting help to inappropriately harass her, for laughs! Awesome.
Ps i bet the new crew hottie is an alien spy laying a trap, krill? She's a krill in disguise.
The end of the world is nigh
The modern media is akin to a laugh track, with a lot less influence.
Nice burn! However, the "Married with Children" laugh track is a classic!
+Sean Lowry Also The Golden Girls. It’s one of the rare shows where you feel as if the laugher fits for the most part.
Que the big bang theory
Doctor Who now 25% & crashing, noticeably the Aquaman film which is pissing critics off for NOT being PC, has done $105 million at the box-office! I wonder why
Best we call Sherlock Holmes, its a fuckin mystery:)
From what I hear they don't even count the 1/2 star ratings so the MINIMUM is 20%. And its under 25%. That is a lot worse than it might first appear.
@@adamdavies1068 or Holmies
It's weird since Jason mamoa is mixed and it has a message about it over "pureness". Isn't that PC.
You talking about the same Aquaman with a fresh RT score?
none.. NONE of these so called "pros" have watched a full episode of Orville let alone 2 or 3. Orville, while its humor can be a bit jarring sometimes, the stories are first class and harken back to the 90's when we had awesome scifi shows.
Have you seen the new chapter? I love how they can make a great episode around a mundane tasks such as peeing.
Vindicator Jones and knew how to laugh st ourselves
The humor is part of what makes it so good because that's how real people act.
You can tell that all of the "professionals" only watched it because they had to in order to review it. They probably aren't regular watchers of The Orville or STD. But when they watched that one episode of STD, it hit all of their SJW hot buttons, so 5 stars!
It, like voyager and Enterprise, are far too derivative of TNG. It's no coincidence that all of those shows had hack Braga in a key role.
What I’ve learned today
1. Official Critics are full of bs and so isn’t to be listened to
2. Fan reviews and ratings will give me a more honest opinion
No, fans are fans and like what they see. They are therefore not honest, but very baised. Example; Millions of fans rate reality shows very highly. Would you agree?
I trust fan reviews so much more than the official critics personally. People I trust and feel like i know to an extent. UA-camrs are more like low tier friends than random people if i watch them enough honestly.
Pepe Galego the example still makes the show a show of merit. If millions of people are watching and scoring it good scores then it means that it’s something that I might like to check out
@@cinnamonbarnes9058 Definitely. Take your pick: big brother, the voice, masterchef, Jersey shore, the bachelor, that show where people try on wedding dresses...
Pepe Galego
sure those shows are bad but based off the fan base alone it would appear to be at least decent.
Not all shows with high fan scores will be good. but they will bring these shows to your attention to check out and decide what you like.
Professional critics really are not needed anymore.
They know it, too. Thats why they don't hesitate to dump on 'audience voting' systems and youtubers. They can be replaced by someone who can talk in a half way coherent manner and post videos.
@@neiloch they have never been relevant. Half their scores are funded, the other half are things people don't care about. So many franchises that appealed to "experts" got destroyed by the public
They were never needed
Critic reviews = The 1%
Fan reviews = The 99%
For years now, if critics say it is bad, I will watch it, if they say it is good, I will not watch it. Excluding shows/movies where you know it will be good.
True. I watched Bright on Netflix solely because reviews were terrible for it. I really enjoyed it, especially as someone who played Shadowrun as a kid.
@MrTrainerGuy1 Bright was on Netflix early last year, should still be on there as it was an original.
@MrTrainerGuy1 Oh no idea on Orville don't have Netflix, Orville season 2 just started 2nd episode is tonight.
Pretty much summs up RT from the very beginning. Why does it even exist ?
@@lkvideos7181 Some of us dont respect fan reviews. The scene in that movie Idiocracy, where the audience is laughing at a movie of nothing but an idiots buttcheeks...is far too close to reality. Bare boobies = Good movie. No boobies = Bad movie. In terms of who has given me bad advice on movies more often, critics or fans...its fans. By far. They said Batman vs Superman was good, it sucked. They said Suicide Squad was good...it sucked.
The Orville is really good... critics are wrong again..
In the last few years, when have they ever actually been right? (rhetorical) Everything they they love, the audience hates, and everything they hate, the audience loves. Something funny going on here....
@@VauxhallViva1975 it was like that as far back as the '70's. I got used to reading the critics reviews, and if they hated it, I would go see it. I will probably like it. The more critics like a show, the more determined to avoid it I would be
I liked this episode and to me it looked even better than last year's. I like Jason Alexander as a bar tender. I also loved his lines. This guy is savvy. The first season I passed on the DVD but if this season is like this episode, I'll buy the DVD. You're a bad mom. 😆
Critics aren't "wrong". They are consciously engaging in social engineering -- it's totally transparent. Critics (like the rest of the mainstream media) have lost all credibility for me.
You are aware that film is all subjective right?
My wife also doesn't like Family Guy but watched the Orville for the first time and loved it!
Liked the first few seasons but the show seems angry nowadays.
no one with any brains likes family guy compared to peter griffin homer simpson is a genius
I don't think MacFarlane has had much to do with the writing of Family Guy since the first couple of seasons, he only provides the voices now-a-days. He can be pretty funny when he gets past his ego.
There are reason the guy have 100 project per year.
Star Trek Discovery is such a disappointment :(
The Orville is such a nice surprise :)
Hmmmmm discovery is a massive success, the awful has lost viewers and only got a renewal because it was given a tax break thus making it cheaper to make. Don't let your butthurt get you down 😂
@@veritastime9522
Still doesn't mean we have to like it.
And calling someone butthurt is pretty immature.
I just watched the last episode of season 2 and it was plot holes galore. True I laughed at bits but Meh....
There is that in orville but to a much lesser degree.
@@veritastime9522 - If Donald Trump is the reason Discovery gets another season then that'll be another reason not to watch the garbage.
Agree completely. Everything that was wrong about Discovery is right about Orville.
I like both but in fact Discovery is not what fans of the series want.
I really enjoy the Orville, so glad it was picked up for a second season.
S2E2 Primal Urges is the best episode, hands down, for the series.
it can only be made on Fox lets see what happens when Disney takes over
First 15 mins into both season 2 episodes I kept thinking, "man, they should have done a more actiony external plot for the season openers" but then the episodes completely changes my mind and I walk away thinking "damn, those were solid good episodes, I was wrong".
Just remember, if critics give it a super low score...it's probably worth watching. ---- %Takes hat off for memoriam%
Even Suicide Squad?
And always click the rotten tomatoes entry to actually view it, because when you Google the name of the show or movie, Google shows you the critic score, not the audience score.
My rule is if a critic gives a negative review that is ABSOLUTELY gut bustlingly funny, then they are almost certainly correct. The funnier the negative review, the worse it is, and should be avoided.
If a negative review is full of pompous elitist word salads and Postmodern jargon, however, like the critics typically gave for Orville, then I don’t trust them as far as I can throw them.
@@eldermillennial8330 Yeah, that feels like a good way to go about it. The short snippets shown in the vid felt...I dunno, like fake reviews? Like "Word word word"
This has been true for the horror genre for a while. Critics tend to misunderstand horror a lot, it's just not a controversial issue. Just a tired one.
The media saw the social credit system episode of The Orville and had to try to stop it before it warned everyone about their plans.
that was for the most outrageous plot until i learned it has been implemented in China. it really wok me up to how out of touch i am since i left fb and had stopped reading comment in youtube videos.
It was also a black mirror episode a couple years back
Though Orville's take on it is less about scary technology and more a classically styled moral tale about mob rule and unchecked large scale democracy that happened to use tech
That was the episode which I felt the Orville found their stride and got everything working properly. The comedy before then was falling for me and sticking out too much, but after then everything seemed to mesh well.
That was a great episode and definitely could be used as teaching material to people how dangerous mob mentality/justice can be.
@Brian - "how dangerous mob mentality/justice can be"
You mean democracy....or "absolute democracy" is what they called it in the episode. 1st world countries are constitutional monarchies or republics (follows the rule of laws), not democracies. Democracy just means voting, and that's what their whole planet was governed by, not mobs (which is more like that TOS gangster planet).
Discovery blah you want a star trek show with female lead....Voyager....
No, a MINORITY female lead. I don't have any issues with it, but the timing during this current social agenda makes it suspect. Really, how many additional minorities or women gravitate to that show simply because of this character?
Jadzia also wasnt a character i would describe as weak
see and I don't get why the critics wouldn't love the orville. It's a pretty progressive show. Of course they are a bit more diplomatic. Whenever they meet a different civilization they don;t immediately seek to shame and berate them for not being progressive. So what gives? Diverse cast between race and gender. Commander Botris is from a completely homosexual society. They have a xenophobic alien on board who can still work with everyone. The ship is full of non-humans who work together and occasionally 'get down tonight'. The captain and senior officer are a divorced couple that still manage to keep a productive professional relationship. I don't get it. It's a show where people aren't divided and are seeking their fulfillment together. Maybe that's why the critics hate it. Not enough people hating one another to suit their agenda.
1. Its not serial. Newer scifi and even most shows now have an overall plot and are sequential. You should shuffle most of the orville episodes and show them and the show would still make sense. At the end of the episode the issue is overcame, life onboard turns to normal until the next episode. I can see where someone who professionally watches TV would get annoyed with that. Its old style. It also works great for casual watchers.
2. Its not dark. Dark, moody and gritty is popular right now. The Orville is bright and optimistic. It takes from the ideas of theming of the 80's and 90's. Its used and recycled to the critics.
3. frat humor is a blackball. A lot of these critics are likely middle aged adults work. Work and frat humor generally doesn't mix.
The Orville does have some problems. Humans are playing alien species. That is some form of cultural appropriation, even if it is fictional.
@@erikhill6037 But Doctor Who season 11 is exactly the same thing you said in point 1 and 2. It's even less sequential and way more bright and optimistic than The Orville. Still, critics love and praise that Doctor Who season.
That is the proof that they only care about SJW agenda and everything that is not a 100% SJW pandering will be destroyed by them.
So are all the haters women? Are they real critics? Love the spirit and the idea of the show.
@@who9598 They are real "critics", or for better saying, that is their job, but many of them have no real qualification to do it, most of them are hired based on political agenda.
Also they are not only women, but men too, they are called white knights, look online for that definition. They basically defend those SJW women hoping for one day to fuck some of them.
High five! Massive fan of The Orville.
what network do i need to watch the Orville (im in the uk)
@@Thiborfirenz there is a Fox channel on cable and sky but I don't know if they're showing it here. Other than that iTunes and Amazon prime
@@simonbutterfield4860 you can watch it using NowTV
Yep same here Geekin, previous massive fan of ST and SW - now in recovery.
But yes, Orville fits the bill.
And as our Nerdrotic mate up there said.
Revieweirds, film and TV show makers seem to think that having a massive amount of darkness, pain and death make stuff epic.
There's no reason to kill billions on Vulcan or those guys who got exterminated at the Alliance planets.
It make things painful, let there be a threat of the same magnitude and the heroes show the best of humanity by all Sisu (no term in english - google that word if anyone is q-rious) and beat that threat against impossible odds - that's a hero story that'll get good ratings.
Happy new year - 1 h 20 mins now! ;)
lol after heading this shit... I don't have cable tv... how the fuck do I give the Orville money, ratings, etc. rofl.
so true, std is completely unrecognizable as a star trek series
but gene rodenbury would instanly reconize the orville as a spiritual descendant of star trek
I genuinely thought the Orville was a Star Trek show until I looked it up like 10 seconds later. That show was absolute pure gold. I mean it was pretty much everyday normal people with everyday normal problems exploring space. They weren’t characters that were automatically overpowered with little flaws like a lot of tv shows. They were just people we could relate to. And I was truly sad when I reached the final episode on Hulu.
Critics are corrupt and or too focused on identity politics and gender studies. They are not the person who watches shows for escapism.
or pure entertainment.
That's incredibly dumb to say.
@@kuhpunkt Its entirely true. I'm guessing you are one of the sjw cultists.
Do you have any rational argument?
The majority (us, the audience) makes the Film and TV industry their money (we are the ones that will pay and view), therefore, what the audience thinks, should mean a lot more to them than what the clueless critics think.
How sad that fandoms have become as obsessed with money as the studios they complain about.
I agree with pretty much everything you said except the part about "clueless critics." They aren't clueless. They know exactly what they're doing. They are answering the dog whistle that is being blown by the studios and when they are told to "roll over", they ask, "How many times?" It's quite obvious that most of the TV and movie critics are in the pocket of the studios.
@@davecasey4341 LOL, nicely said and very true :)
The Orville is chalk full of "heavy-handed moral lessons," in true Star Trek fashion. It is "diverse," engages "current year politics" in a thoughtful (and inclusive) way, and addresses topics that most shows refuse to touch. And it does it while making it all extremely accessible and relatable. The Orville is ACTUALLY doing what STD, New Who, and all this other shallow garbage claims to be doing.
I find it really odd that the critics are ignoring this and trying to claim that a lack of this is a shortcoming of the show.
It's still pretty hopeless sci-fi. though. The odds of even a single alien species being even remotely like humans is basically zero. Without almost perfectly replicating the evolutionary history of humans, this is just not possible. And in Orville you have dozens of these not-human species, including the feminst-statement "aliens" used as security officers on the ship. I liked the visuals and some of the stories, but the endless political lecturing is just not for me. Violence against women = evil and you're Hitler. Violence against men = funny, especially if a woman is the assailant. Got it! Now can we please stop the crude, society-destroying brainwashing and focus on sci-fi for a while? No? OK then!
STD is shit. Dr Who is shit. But by golly, so is The Orville. You can't get a cigarette paper between any of these cheap, offensive propaganda shows if you ask me. I maintain that Americans have gone collectively insane with this id-pol BS. It's like talking to a zombie horde. Unfortunately it's like being entertained by a zombie horde too.
TL/Dr The Orville is a funny show that touches on issues without being preachy.
@@@ronhorne4930 It's incredibly preachy and has whole episodes about the same PC idiocy everyone is compla8ining about with other shows.
I guess you're just intentionally blind. People enjoy selective blindness these days I've noticed.
I like the Orville it make me care about the characters and the plot
That. Really means nothing
That can be said for anything
Robozuna
Asterix
It just hit you that way
You and I are just somebody’s where not special
The Orville handles taboo subjects with truth. The best show on free TV on right now.
Another good show on free tv that handles taboo subjects with truth is "The Resident". Quite unrelated to the Orville, but equally worth watching.
Which is exactly what star trek did pre STD
@@brentc2411
Nail hit squarely on head 👍🏼
Seth has always wanted to do a Star Trek show , he even said he wanted family guy to end so he could do it. Happy that the show is clearly made with passion
Seth's apparently a big Star Trek fan, he had a cameo in a ENT episode. I think he even pitched the Orville to CBS to be an official Star Trek show, but they rejected him in favor of STD so Seth just went ahead to do it on Fox instead.
Hats off to Seth for not taking "no" for an answer, making it happen anyways, and following his vision of the show/ST.
The Orville is proof that all people who didn't like Ghostbuster, Dr. Who, upcoming Ocean's 8 etc. aren't sexist. I love this series, and it is, as you said; VERY diverse. The difference is, they're not trying to shove it down our throats.
Yes, as long as women are seen and not heard . . . nope, you people aren't sexist at all.
@Comrade von Herpenderpf Nice tiki torch chant.
@@shaynehaynes2541 The women are endlessly heard in the Orville, fairly even share of screen time, getting their own side stories and everything.
@@shaynehaynes2541 "dang I don't have anything good to say to counter his argument"
"Oh I know. I'll call him a white supremacist. T-that'll show him!"
@@noahculp9900 "White nationalist, white supremacist, Western civilization - how did that language become offensive?"
I’m not a big fan of Seth McFarlane, but I really like his work with “The Orville.” It feels more like “Star Trek” than the new CBS “Star Trek Discovery” does. I think his appreciation of the ST franchise has guided him in making a series that is different, yet pays homage to the original ST.
The Critics Score is now 63%.
Either they gave it a second chance, or Season 2 won them over.
Or Disney now own Fox
That or they decided that having such a chasm between fan reaction and their own just makes them look incompetent and out of touch.
It has 100%
They're trying to save face.
I had to check because i couldn't believe it. Turns out all reviews for season 2 (nine at the moment) are positive, which seriously bumps the series' global rating, since RottenTomatoes apparently just averages the individual ratings of each season (which is incredibly simplistic and misguiding, but whatever).
Out of the nine critics, if i'm not mistaken, five had rated the first season, and out of those five, three "changed their minds" from negative to positive (Liz Shannon Miller
, Nick Wanserski
and Kevin Yeoman
). I'm certainly not here to defend critics, but i'm not sure we can conclude anything from that.
More interestingly though, critics' reviews for season 1 mostly came in waaaay before the first episode aired (IMDb date: 25 mar 2018), the bulk of them as far back as sixth months earlier (early sep 2017). I don't know what they saw, i have no idea how things work for TV show reviews. On the other hand, all reviews for season 2 came in after the first episode actually aired.
And for what it's worth, if we look at the five reviews for season 1 that came in after the show started (ended, actually, as there are zero reviews during the first season's actual airing period), three of them are positive, which means a rating of 60% from critics that saw the same thing as us, versus a rating of 23% from critics that saw whatever they saw before the show officially aired.
So, again i don't know how these things work, but perhaps season 1 critics saw an unfinished product plus had a negative bias against the concept ("dastardly MacFarlane rips off Trek and Galaxy Quest"), hence the show being trashed before it started.
The Orville does Star Trek in a more entertaining way than Star Trek itself does. The fact that the Orville doesn’t bend over at the SJW alter to self flagellate is icing on the cake.
yeah. i mean ds9 had a lot of things that would be considered a big deal, but it was done in a way that made sense. I remember near the end when sisko refused to help a hologram because he lived in a place blacks couldn't go certain places etc, but his lady (forget if gf or fiance at that point) basically said thats not what it is now and we can enjoy the good parts of the past without thinking of the bad. I mean characters grew, dealt with problems, and in the early seasons they had a school vs religion thing that was well written, entertaining, and didn't feel forced. It is possible. I mean heck i think some news people got ripped apart because they said the std lady was the first black captain and people who loved sisko ripped them apart. I bet they were careful after that to not say first woman since well janeway.
Was it though? I mean DS9 had tons of aliens, whereas the ship series didn't. That said I think The Orville goes about its PC'ness in the same was as Trek, but in a modern way. There's a message there but they aren't shoving down your throat. For example it's a diverse cast, but not once do I recall them marketing it as being diverse.
@Star Trek Theory "it's got alot of aliens" Sweeeeetttttt. I love that line and that Gordon loved his poetry but Alara was chilly to it.
It does not do star trek better. What a fucking insult. You don't like star trek, it doesn't make Orville.better. it is incredibly ninferior. It does star trek discovery better than discovery does. But it does do star trek discovery better than star trek discovery. But it is still doing star trek discovery.
And it totally does bend over to white people's and u.s ideas and it's arrogance over others. Has no fucking respect..it has little intelligence.
If you’re a fan of the Star Trek series then watch the Orville. It has humour, ethical dilemmas, real character development, but surprisingly has a lot of depth. Unlike discovery.
The humour of Orville can only be compared to that of a 12-year-old child. There is absolutely no character development, they are all just being exactly what they are from the start... I can't believe people even compare this crap to Discovery. I have watched every sci-fi show since the '90s and Orville is one of the worst I have watched. It's just too simple and cheap.
Ludwig Vonn which show best represents Star Trek? Clearly the Orville.
@@ludwigvonn9889 Your right its not fair comparing it to discovery, std isnt star trek its bad fan fic.
Why do people hate discovery. Never seen it but it has That girl from The Walking Dead on it.
I liked Orville and Discovery. Discovery's intersectional feminist spirit was gut-wrenchingly forced, nothing good felt incidental and natural but politically charged, passive aggressive and defensive as borne out in the critical reviews. Thank goodness Lorca took command, one of my favourite captains and the saving grace of Season 1. 100% badass. Sadly, such badassery is often at odds with the sometimes annoying Burnham but she is OK. The gore factor was a welcome switch-up for me and I didn't mind the new appearance of the Klingons. Deep space should be grittier, it's a majorly fucked-up wild west out there, and make-up has advanced. So be it.
Orville is fun. It captures the spirit of The Next Generation with a bit more flamboyance, keeping itself afloat with those thought-provokingly strange sci-fi situations and Seth's comedy stylings. Still, it feels a bit tame and not very original, which is acceptable from a parody.
Ultimately, I stopped watching Orville but I'm still watching Discovery. This is part due to accessibility, as it is easier for me to watch Discovery on Netflix, and in part due to the fact Discovery feels fresher. That said Season 2 of Discovery has yet to hit warp.
This is how I put my “to watch” lists today:
If the movie got low score by RT but high score by audience, I will put it on top of the list.
This pretty much proves the supposed "real critics" wrong, and that Rotten Tomatoes is a laughing stock for anyone using it as a legitimate statistical "bar" to go by. I've seen data like this where "real critics" rate a movie over 90% - but was both bombed by ticket sales and panned by the public audiences. If anything, it's taught people like me to treat sites like RT with a healthy dose of skepticism - especially when some of the "real critics" score felt like their scores were "paid for" (aka RIGGED).
Paid for with victimbux
Bongo Supreme lol with how much Ghostbusters 2016 got, I wouldn't be surprised.
boycott rotten tomatoes,,,the real enemy
The Orville actually surpasses many large budget movies. Nearly every episode has a lesson on humanity, religion, astrology, superstition, and how far we have to go as humans. They do all of this with out being preachy, and with a sense of humor. I say put all the critics in a room and show Roma on an endless loop to them for their punishment, and poor taste. Remember the early critics didn't like Led Zeppelin either. The critics can be wrong, and are in this case they are wrong again. Mic drop.
Seth McFarlane is a time traveler...must be
Robert Benton - Why the fuck do you diss “Roma”?
Couldn't have said it any better!
Please revise your second to last sentence. Just read it out loud and you'll catch it. Everything else is perfect so yeah, that bothers me. Sorry to be a grammar Nazi :/
@Rob T
Love the maturity there. Really made your point in such a valid and understanding way. Well done. have a cookie.
Sarcasm for those with low iq.
Looking at the person directly above me for example
Critics are a joke now.
Conversely, jokes are now criticism (when they're not outright *bigotry*).
Welcome to Bizzaro world.
I want off this parallel dimension!
@@dawnwayfinder Ikr
Orville feels cheap?! WHAT?! Its more Star Trek than Star Trek! Plus it has comedy, good storytelling and characters you ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT! Critics are sickos!
It definitely feels cheap and the writing wasn't that good, same with the acting. It's why I only made it in a few episodes before I quit watching.
@@mikel6090 Star Trek or Orville? Just curious.
@@sguinn91 Orville. Star Trek, while I haven't enjoyed the latest season and plan on stopping watching it, at least had good writing the first couple seasons, great character design, and good acting. Orville is well below those standards
@@mikel6090 We talking about Discovery or just Star Trek in General? If you watch Discovery, that's fine. I'm not gonna judge you for it!
@@sguinn91 Discovery. And what's to judge? I love Trek, its why I started watching Discovery. Orville still doesn't compare to it as I said earlier.
Critics scores are pretty useful, if they like it, I'll avoid it like the plague and vice versa
Yes! This! Whenever i see overwhelming positive critic BS I know it will be some PC crap. I'm already allergic to PC crap to the maximum. I just can't anymore. Fucking NPC locusts, destroying everything.
Sadly Im a bit more naive, what they like I will pirate.
The new season of The Orville on RT currently has a 100%. Better avoid it.
This is how I've treated the Oscar awards for most of my life. The more Oscars a movie gets, the less likely I am to watch it.
Isaac Baranoff Maybe the person has made up their minds to not see movies with forced political messages.
When I was a teenager I used to watch critics Siskel & Ebert review films. If they both hated a film, I knew I would want to see it. That's why critics are still useful. If they hate something then you know it's going to be quality entertainment. 😂😂
That sounds really dumb.
Yup, I'm with you. Been doing that since 1985.
Siskel and Ebert were old, boring hacks before being an old, boring hack was "cool."
As Brendan Behan put it. “Critics are like eunuchs in a harem; they know how it's done, they've seen it done every day, but they're unable to do it themselves.”
They hated Joe dirt, Dukes of hazzard and catwoman. Is that a good quality entertainment. Lets, they died in peace,.
film critics totally lost credibility & relevancy nowadays.
100% unreliable. The critic score is almost always inverted from the crowd score.
Especially after the Last Jedi.
@@pedrokantor3997 Seriously, how could they give TLJ a 91% ? That whole movie should be a deleted scene.
Only the small time films are worth anything. Everything else is bursting with intense CGI that gets old after about 30 seconds.
same with game journalists.
Rotten tomatoes is a joke when I saw black panther had 99% I knew not to listen to their reviews.
The Orville is a great "spin off" of TNG, i loved season one.
STD "feels disturbing" - i couldn't get past ep 4, it's that bad of a show. And after the critic scores for TLJ and STD they lost all credibility.
gusty9053 - Only recently got Netflix... I’ve watched 5 episodes so far... I just can’t get through it. I can name 2 characters “Sarek & .... Micheal (almost forgot it - had to drag it out from the back of my mind!) - Can’t remember a single other one... all of them are miserable and look like they’re a hot minute away from jumping out an airlock!
I don't think its a bad show its just not Star Trek.
it'z not a spin-off it's homage
Discovery isn't an awful show. As a generic scifi, it's got some problems, but largely it's decent. I would probably have loved it if it was just trying to do it's own thing, but.. it's didn't. It was marketed as Star Trek, while doing absolutely fuck-all(minus the Groundhog Mudd episode, I'll give it that) to try and actually make it, Star Trek. And before people go on saying "Ohhh you just don't like change" NO. Bullshit. Every new Star Trek has been substantially different from the others, they just stick to the core principles of philosophy, morality puzzles, etc.
What Discovery did was "Hey, let's market it to non-trekkies so we can get new viewers, because the trekkies are so desperate for a Star Trek that they'll watch any trash we shit into their mouths." It was a shameless bait and switch. (edit: meant to say "make it for non-trekkies")
@@flake452 well they kind of shot themselves in the foot then when they plastered the star trek name over it.
I use to be a crazy Doctor Who fan but that is dead now! Right now I am LOVING The Orville!
Right there with ya man, watch the first episode of the Orvile and had to carry on watching. Watched the first episode of jodies Dr. What and I've refused to even acknowledge it's existence since it. It was the biggest waste of time I've watched since the Ghostbusters reboot.
Its sad they decided to turn the show into an SJW shit fest and casting a SJW doctor instead just casting a female doctor.
I love both. Whovian since '63.
@nafia morris Everybody, right wing troll alert! Are you really this paranoid? Me, I just try to see people as they truely are. Everyone is the same on the inside, the outer layer is just wrapping. Never judge a book by its cover. It may be an old saying but it's so true. You show your fear of the different in anger. I still say viva la difference, nothing to fear round here. I hope you had a good Christmas and wish you all the best for the coming year.
@@kekui1647, agreed. They showed having a female as a regeneration can work brilliantly if done right. I loved Michelle Gomez as the Master, actually preferred it over John Sims ranting insanity. Had hopes it would be a good story arc, then they announced Jodie, and she got out her feminist hand book. Had high hopes for Chibnall too as he oversaw Season 2 of Torchwood and he started talking about blinkered vision of a 50 year old property that had risen from the grave more times than the BBC could count. I'm just getting old. Guess I'm one of those people Oprah says "needs to die".
Glad to see the Orville is still seen as good despite the critic reviews, I haven't had a chance to see it yet but I know that Seth's dream even before family guy was to make a star trek parody thing and it would've been really depressing to just have it shot down in one season, demoting Seth to just making Family Guy and American Dad for the rest of his career.
already 4 episodes into season 2
It was his dream to play a captain, but his ex-wife put in a good word for him with a producer her dad knew, and they green lit the project.
I've been watching since I accidently found about it in Season 1. What's great about it as that it legitimately plays as though it's its own universe. It's not even a parody of Star Trek as much as it is a reimagining with both subtle and periodically crude comedy. If the show were to continue for many seasons, it will undoubtedly develop its own fandom.
@@lurker993 haven't watched it yet but as a fan of Star trek, this video and your comment rlly wanna make me check it out. That's whats I'd be afraid of in a star trek styled thing, that it just felt too shallow and the world didn't feel alive cause that's what makes star trek so great
Season 1 was good... Season 2 is just a soap opera in space. No actual "sci-fi". Just, couples going through couples therapy and Hostage situations. BORING. Very disappointed. I was hoping for my mind to be BLOWN!.
I wasn't a star trek fan before I started watching the Orville. But I started watching star trek BECAUSE of the orville. I can't get enough of it
Sexual transmitted disease
Now thats a great story, thanks! Usually its the other way around :D What is your favourite Star Trek show so far?
My plan right now is finish the orville, then start on star trek. I actually found the orville from a simulator on steam (my love of space drove me to get the game). Ended up watching the pilot, liked it. Episode 2-3 were honestly terrible, but it got so much better as time went on.
Same. I had never seen Star Trek: TNG until after I finished this; and the best thing is, I feel like that was Seth's plan. Kudos.
Oh man, you are in for a treat. Just skip over discovery and picard. There is nothing there. I still watch one of the star trek shows in total each year. Already for more than a decade (since when i first discovered it)
10:57 . "The Orville is a great television show .... It kind of shows both sides of everything." This is a key point.
which is way the SJW's hate it, in their world there is only one side, everyone else is a nazi
It's clearly liberal, but it seems like it presents the other opinion in a genuine way, and sometimes the non-liberal opinion wins.
Those critics reviews always seem "sponsored"
Orville is a great show, must be someone who doesn't want to lose their office somewhere trying to hurt the show.
You should read what critics that gave Aquaman a rotten score said.Nothing about the movie.Nothing.They just talked about something irrelevant to the movie or to anything related to Aquaman production.I counted 4 on the fly before I decided that I will no longer ( well , I never did take critics opinion in to account , they never mattered to me ) take in account their scores.
L.E: Typo.
I love all Star Trek (except discovery) but The Orville is BRILLIANT - & I wasn’t a Seth McFarlane fan
If you liked JJJerk DREK movies, then you don't know what Trek is.
im still not a seth fan... and the orville is mediocre in my eyes... on par with voyager
@@roelven1282 wdym voyager is the best
Orville actually made me watch Star Trek TNG.
I'm a big sci-fi fan but Star Trek always made me feel a little bit intimidated to dive into. Truly massive lore, a ton off series to catch on and very particular fanbase - I thought I would never have time or patience to explore Star Trek universe because I didn't watch the show growing up. But the second I saw pilot of Orville I knew what Star Trek actually like without watching even the opening credits of it. I just knew it. I finished 1st season of Orville and right away started watching Star Trek TNG and naturaly fell in love with cpt. Picard and the crew of USS Enterprise.
Orville is like a "gateway drug" to Star Trek for me :)
Orville is what current sci-fi shows and movies missing: a space adventure with central ethical conflict when answers are never obvious rather than yet another explosion filled defining space war with stupid predetory race/doom's day evil allpowerfull villain, no matter how complex and unnecessary convoluted, the solution to all problems always seems be to blow the shit up.
Cudos to Seth McFarlane for doing this show even with this heinous media bashing.
The awesome thing about Trek is once you know the bridge crew, you don't need to know much more, and know enough to watch most any episode from any season from a given show.
Glaf you've begun to like Trek! There's so much of it to watch!
You know the other thing modern sci-fi has lost? The wonder. Think about it. When was the last time a new sci-fi took you somewhere that felt rich, alive, and even tiny bit special? For me, that's Avatar (the blue aliens, not the Airbender). Here was a living world, with a living culture, and a wonderful new place that felt explorable. Can't think of one that's done that for me since.
That's what the Orville has brought back. A sense of wonder. "To boldly go where no man has gone before." Not sure about you, but the episode with the area of 2D space reminded me of that fantastical feeling "Star Trek The Motion Picture" gave me when they were flying through Vger's cloud. Okay, dangerous mission, serious situation, but here is something special in the middle of all of that.
Also, the Orville is simple and straight forward, which is what original Star Trek was. They spent their energy on the people, not the world or the conflict, nor do they try to make things dark, gritty, or anything like that, which seems to be the favorite of modern TV sci-fi. There's soul there, just like old school Trek. It has a touch more comedy than Trek did, but even when the jokes don't work, you're able to roll over them and continue on.
And finally, as so many have said, Orville doesn't shove anything down your throat. It just is. Issac is the only racist/sexist person on the ship, and even he is respectful of his crew mates in his own odd way, as seen by his attempt to get back at Gordon for his practical joke. Everyone else, they give the air of it not mattering. They don't think about gender or racial equality, because it just is.
I hope Orville continues to do super well in ratings, because maybe, just maybe, we'll show producers what we actually want, and get more of the same in the future.
You're a big sci-fi fan but never watched TNG? .....suspect
@@EBrown-cr1gr Perhaps he's very young. He said he had no chance watching it when growing up.
@@forestwells5820 You should check out The Expanse too. That's seriously good shit. More depth than most sci fi space shows, and they never even leave the solar system.
All that matters is that fans love the Orville. It is here to stay.
be careful, the suits can sabotage it many ways.
The fans love the Orville? I guess that's why so many people watched something different after the first episode....
Unlikely. Have you seen the ratings? They are worse than Dr Who.
@@punkyfister7765 they had a 0.70 in key demographics for the 1-10-2019 episode..
Negligible intermediaries:
"Let me tell you what your ice cream tastes and whether or not you should continue eating it" The critic
"No, thanks dear critic, I can taste an ice cream and describe what I perceive, if I like it or not and share my opinion directly with others" The public
Well that's a broad generalization of criticism. What is your opinion of criticism when it comes from someone who is an expert on something? Is that purely subjective as well? Should all criticisms be done away with? Is there no universal standard for what makes something qualitative?
Inescapable Entropy Oh, no. I don't said that. Read my other comment: Critics now have a political agenda, they are no longer reliable. In addition, they are praising the works more culturally mainstream in a politically correct culture that seeks to impose itself by force of repetition, seeking the silence of dissenting voices, boycotting alternative proposals, etc. So there is also a cool factor in being contrary to the critics. Currently having a different appreciation to that of the pedestal critics is counterculture 🤘🏻
@@wetdroidedition2549 There's another saying " Everyone's a critic." I like to add to that. Everyone's a critic but some are better than others. lol.
Inescapable Entropy Of course. And I think it is possible to make an objective critique of a work. That in fact there are those who have the intellectual resources to do it, or who are experts in a certain thing or element or things or elements of a work and can give a useful opinion in fact. And I also think that subjective opinion or appreciation is valid, but accepting that it is subjective. However, in the context of this video I think that the "critics" referred to as such don't carry out any of this type of critique nor are they necessarily experts. I dare to make this generalization because of the frequency of the difference so crazy between what the critic sees and what the public or other critics not aligned with the mainstream media see in their analysis.That's why they do not seem reliable to me. But I also think it's possible that there are cases where the public is going to go against with the pedestal critics appraisal because today that is cool. As I pointed out before, it is countercultural. So sometimes by the cool factor or the troll factor (make the pedestal critics or the company, director or arrogant producers with a certain political agenda, to get angry) the public will be contrary to the critics. And this is going to happen even if the critics have not necessarily made a compromised valuation because they are paid or because the work or movie itself fits into their political agenda. There is a toxic cultural environment that has generated this kind of thing.
@@wetdroidedition2549 I give a lot of fair and balanced critiques of things. I can't begin to tell you how many people try bash my criticisms with their opinions because of their feelings rather than argue objectively. When I give critiques I always make it clear when I am speaking my opinion and when I am using objectivity. The average person today has a very hard time understanding the difference. It leads to a lot of debates. I usually win them and when I don't I concede the loss and move on. My biggest criticism of art and media these days is that their overall level of quality has diminished. When coupled with a dumbed down easily triggered millennial groupthink culture the entertainment value actually shifts to the debates over the critiques instead of the work being critiqued. Ironic.
My favorite character is Bortus. He is SIMPLEY hilarious. He is like the Maclan version of Hank Hill.
Yep
YOU WILL BE SILENT!!!
Remember the episode that deals with porn addiction? Oh my God that was so well done. Nice balance between entertainment and a subtle message of a current issue that exists in our world.
I am a hardcore Trek fan. Discovery was the most disappointing thing ever. The Orville delighted me with how much it surprised me. Burnham is the worst character ever. These critics don't know anything. Holy shit. Having a minority doesn't equate to being a good show. Jesus Christ. And the science fiction storylines on the Orville are amazing. I've read scifi for over 30 years and I can say that it is definitely original.
I'm comparing to ToS and TNG, even Bragas Enterprise and finding Orville totally wrong in tone and balance. Spending 45 minutes on gay s&m with these bizarre giant black wrestlers all crisco'd up, then 5 minutes on the rescue, that's totally wrong balance.
That's typical of Orville, where boring kids issues, tedious race issues, boring dating, continually take lions share of plots while actual sci fi gets short shrift. Interesting stuff glossed over for awkward identity stuff. I haven't seen new cbs discovery show, that's not in my calculation, possible that's worse, i cannot say.
jonathanlovitt but their not trying to be star trek so to compare them is silly. He is influenced by star trek but it's his own creation.
@@jonathanjones7681 the opener is clearly based on Amok Time, one of the most beloved ToS episodes. The balance of plot related v gag related is way off. Cheers 🥂
jonathanlovitt I said inspired but inspiration doesn't mean a copy. He may use ideas from trek but he's going to put his own spin on it. It's the viewers job to like his take or not.
@@comicblueswithjonygitar36 a black woman and an asian woman walk into a desert.... thats not a joke, thats just how Discovery starts, and it's substance is just as bland, barren and lifeless. Orange is the new black, black is the new Star Trek
How kind of rationale would it take for someone to call the Orville a Star Trek ripoff? That's like calling Galaxy Quest a ripoff! It's not, it's a spoof, there's a big difference.
Its Star Trek with Black Jack and Hookers, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Is kinda like Blue Collar Star Trek. They go to work, and want to go pop a cold one after. They hook up, and it's awkward when things don't work out. It's a nice world they live in, but not a Utopia.
I was in the Navy 6 years thereabouts, most of it on a fast boat, and Orville isn't really a spoof either, but a somewhat more realistic version of StarTrek
I'd say it's not a spoof, it's a comedic homage to Star Trek that becomes quite serious after a couple of episodes. An awesome show, I loved every single episode of it.
I like the Orville but I don't think it qualifies as spoof, because it doesn't really spoofs anything, for example a spoof is Mel Brook's Spaceball or Your Frankenstein, or most Leslie Nielsen movies, this is more of a straight sci-fi show, however I don't think is a rip-off either, that's ludacris, a rip-off is when you plagiarize something but your try to be subtle enough for no one to notice, like The Hunger Games are a rip-off of Battle Royale or The Starchaser is a rip-off of Star Wars (and notice, a rip-off not necessary something wrong, Harry Potter is a rip-off of The Worst With and is still a great work of fiction IMO at least) but the point is, a rip-off is when you don't want people to know you rip something which is not the case, McFarlane can't be more open about how he wanted to make a ST series. I mean is almost fan fiction.
I guess the closest thing we can call it is a homage maybe?
Thanks for making this video, seems all escapism has been infected with this PC crap. Hard working people only want to enjoy their hobbies. I find myself watching Anime instead of US TV. Reading Manga instead of comics. Watching old movies and playing vintage games. Many US companies just don't want my money and they won't stop preaching to the fans.
You and I are in the same boat. Anime is where all the good stuff is.... Too bad about Sony now, guess it's PC or Nintendo from now on.
@@Sargonarhes what happened to sony ?
Right?! Remember when Kirk kissed that black chick back in the 1960's and no one called him a race traitor? PC garbage
@@lorcis1 Sony is going to be censoring all Japanese games now. Even if the game was previously rated M after they get through with it, the game will be rated E. Or it will still be rated M, but with none of the features warranting it. If the game is going to be on PC or Nintendo as well it will still have it's M rating. Sony has gone full NPC.
@@lorcis1 New Sony Censorship Policies Are To ‘Meet Global Standards’. Sony Moved PlayStation Headquarters to California and now they have been on a censoring rampage, censoring even the games created by Japanese game developers sold in Japan. Nintendo now seems to be the more adult gaming console than the "Soynie PayStation". I have all the Sony consoles PS1 - PS4. I will not be buying a PS5 and will be sticking to PC moving forward. Sony doesn't want my money.
Boy all the “critics” jumped on board for season 2. Lmao
I love the Orville! Fuk the critics!
Season 1 was good... Season 2 is just a soap opera in space. No actual "sci-fi". Just, couples going through couples therapy and Hostage situations. BORING. Very disappointed. I was hoping for my mind to be BLOWN!.
@@notrandom2 2 of the 5 episodes so far have been below par. The most recent one was pretty good.
@@notrandom2 I agree, I enjoyed season 1 but season 2 is lacking, romance in space I dont enjoy but that's my thoughts.
I really dislike Discovery.
Thats how i feel about discovery...i love DISCOVERY...fuck the critic's and fuck the haters..the same haters who will be watch Discovery to the end......just so they can moan Like a woman.....
@@sparksregent9142 I love both! :D
Critics are loosing their credibility to me
Can Seth MacFarlane make a better doctor who too please
Doctor What
Noooo! I'd have to watch it then and I'm done with it!
@@peyotepete4903 how come
I'm not sure it's possible to resurrect Dr SJWho.
@@tarrantwolf we just need a good actor and good writers and we can just pretend it never happened
Love the Orville, of course they took a couple episodes to hit their stride. The Orville is the ONLY current show that feels like Star Trek.
I love the Orville. It actually surprised me by delivering more dramatic and thought-provoking moments than I expected. MacFarlane clearly loves Star Trek and it shines through in his work. He's created a show that is similar to Star Trek, but has its own distinct flavor as well. It's a true homage and I consider it to be the spiritual successor to Next Generation.
As for Star Trek: Discovery, well-- I tried to like this show. I mean, I REALLY tried. Partly because it's Star Trek and I'm a huge fan and partly because I was paying a subscription fee for the CBS service and I had zero interest in anything else the network had to offer. Needless to say, after the last episode fo STD aired, my subscription was cancelled with a swiftness that would have taken Usain Bolt by surprise.
I did the exact same thing. I bought CBS and cancelled right after the show. Though I'm not sure I made it through the while season but cancelled after it was over. Everyone should cancel in protest to their murder of trek in everyway possible.
"Eat my gun." That was a funny episode. It was a guys doing dumb crap in space.
@@dasschwa4543 And a really serious and dark one. "For what you've done here today, they will be your enemies." -O_O
That's nuts, The Orville is spectacular.
A rose by another name would smell as sweet...and that's The Orville. It looks and sounds like Star Trek. More importantly, it feels like Star Trek. What it doesn't feel like, however, is that Macfarlane tried to turn a Star Trek series into a Marvel movie with excessive social commentary. For that we have Discovery. Not that Trek has avoided social issues, but it did it with broader strokes and more universal messages.
Is some of the Orville derivative? Of course. Every Star Trek series has been derivative to some extent (particularly on TOS and TNG). It doen't diminish the quality of DS9 for example. The Orville at least feels like the derivation is an homage (I'm pretty sure Seth expected the comparison). The same cannot be said of Discovery.
At the end of the day, I finish watching an episode of The Orville with opinions that range from "that wasn't that good" to "wow, that was really well done." With Discovery, I'm just left wondering "what and why?"
The show have nothing to do with Star Trek, its more like dumped down version of movie "Idiocracy".
@@Bialy_1 Idiocracy = USA 2018
Orville = Galaxy Quest
@MrGuvnahAnd Discovery doesnt have a liberal agenda?
@@Bialy_1 That dumbed down version (not dumped) of "idiocracy," which is really good btw, is unfortunately Discovery. The trailer for Discovery S2 had a fart/burp joke in the elevator (wasn't sure which one it was was). When "Star Trek" has to steal a Seth "style" joke cause they know they are bombing, I'm gonna watch The Orville. My guess is MacFarlane is gonna keep the humor, tone down on the more scatalogic jokes and increasing deal with more seriously content. Discovery is gonna blow more stuff up. Just my opion.
@MrGuvnah Well, my favorite series was DS9 by a wide margin. My favorite episode of any star trek is "in the Pale Moonlight." That definitely wasn't liberal, and its probably going to be as close an episode of what one has to do in war for "the greater good" as we will ever get. Sisko feels remorse for what had to do but doesn't regret it. Closest Discovery every got was lets have an evil admiral try to blow up Qo'nos and then 0 consequences.
What sci-fi lost was hope. Everything became endless war and dystopia. The Orville has that feeling of hope that the first trek had, combined with the character driven scripts that next gen had, but also the story arcs and serial (as opposed to episodic) grounds that new shows have. The closest thing to the Orville in sci-fi tv terms is Futurama, and that is high praise.
When Warhammer 40k has more hope(Bobby G and E-Money are back and possibly Wolfy Boss, Gay Poet, and BurnBro) than Star Wars (Jedi END) and Star Trek (Discovery). It feels weird thematically.
Great points! More positivity, less negativity.
Even DS9 and Voyager (two series with a focus on war and survival) had buckets of hope. The heavily serialised nature of older Star Trek really added dynamism to the show, and allowed the focus to shift very quickly from one of death and destruction to one of hope, or vice versa. I'm not enjoying the current focus only on the grand, overarching story.
@@danholo you want less negativity , end Humanity!
Never cared for Family Guy and American Dad, but I love what Seth MacFarlane has done with The Orville.
Same here
American dad is top notch, especially so in the last 5 or so years... Family guy, not so much IMO. They are very different shows with pretty different senses of humor although of course, since MacFarlane is involved, can at sometimes cross over. American dad though, is far superior when it comes to creativity and writing, again just IMO.
@@bostaffandbrains6234 I agree. In fact, i am surprised at thinking that he made both, because i really loathe family guy - way too long jokes that come out of nowhere, the south park satire about it was spot on - while american dad, although with his share of nonsense (especially roger) does have a main story line in each episode, to which all jokes are linked.
@Ruby Hoppy american dad is the best written cartoon if not best written comedy on TV. Some episodes don't hit, but for the most part I think it's superb. I can take or leave family guy. It's funny like meh. But american dad is just a good show.
Norm MacDonald is in it. Of course, it is funny.
@Gloomy Gondola Isn't he the old chunk of coal that likes S&M?
Something I just realized. Star Wars creative team had been lambasting it's critics as "man babies", racist, misogynists etc for the backlash against The Last Jedi, then came Solo and nobody went to see it.
Now take a look at the DCEU. Batman v Superman, Justice League, and Suicide Squad were considered "not good" but the creators themselves did not lash out at fans, Wonder Woman arrived and fans showed up in droves and are apparently doing the same for Aquaman. The DCEU is laughing at Lucasfilms' arrogance.
@@BaranoffIsaac Wow, you're a prize aren't you. The Last Jedi sucks. There was a backlash, I was/am a part of it. Perhaps you're upset because you're severely outnumbered? Forced to face the fact that you have absolutely shitty taste and are completely devoid of any ability to have intelligent thought? The entire movie was almost pointless. It could have been summed up in 10-15 minutes and only serves to kill Luke and piss off fans. Sit in your corner and think about where they were at the start of the film vs the end. What happened? Nothing. Luke died a pointless death, Snoke died a pointless death. Everyone else is where they were at the start. "A great movie". Give me a break. You must be related to Kathleen Kennedy or Rian Johnson.
@@BaranoffIsaac Your pathetic attempts at trolling are bad and you should feel bad.
@Ian S you are wasting your time trying to have a conversation with Last Jedi apologists. Most of them have been SW fans for about 2 years and have no idea why fans are actually pissed about TLJ. They love to say stupid shit like "you live in your mom's basement" and other teen troll tropes. In my experiences it is the 14 year old living in his mom's basement who defends TLJ, and it is the adults who have jobs, who read books, who have been SW fans for decades, have kids and lives and don't have homework due who are the people laughing at TLJ. I mean, being sucked into space and surviving with a little bit of frostbite, or bombs being 'dropped' in deep space can only be apologized for by teens who need to re-take 10th grade science. Guaranteed this Oriental Studios guy is a pimple faced Jr High student. No doubt.
I finally tried to watch TLJ, I made it 10 minutes before switching back to Last Man Standing on Hulu
Not a big DC fan either, but decided to pay to see Aquaman, money well spent.
Also hearing what you said that DC for the most part does not blast critics( insert liberal words) even on meh movies makes me respect them a little more. Not enough to buy everything DCeu but enough to give their products a consideration
ed rosa In fairness those critics are bigoted man babies. Doesn't excuse Lucasfilm's actions but it's like poking and prodding at some caged animal and then getting mad when it goes on a rampage and kills people. What on earth did you expect?
I have so much respect for Seth after watching The Orville, he hits all the themes and puts a funny twist on the show that makes it fun to watch
THANK YOU! The Orville is what Star Trek Enterprise SHOULD have been like. And I am fed up with Doctor Who shoving politics and agendas on us.
I think it's exceedingly clear at this point that critics have a ideological bone to pick and Orville has accidentally gotten itself in the firing line.
Ep 1 of season 2 was a lot of fun! It's really hit it's stride.
I liked Jason Alexander's bartender. On another topic, I'm gonna miss Alara 😢
Critics are such idiots companies shouldn't go by the critics it should always be the viewers they take notice of.
I absolutely LOVE the Orville! Screw the critics!
Do you even know what you're talking about?
@@kuhpunkt Yes I do. Why wouldn't I know what I'm talking about? I know what I like and don't like. And I like The Orville.
The whole premise of this video and you saying "screw the critics" shows that you don't know what you're talking about.
The Orville reviews that are brought up and gathered on RT refer to the reviews of the pilot (or just the first few episodes max). Orville wasn't that good when it began and found its footing later in the series. That's why people like it. That doesn't mean the pilot was great or anything.
@@kuhpunkt Are you the great defender of the critics? Go away and bother someone else with your trolling. If I wanna say screw the critics then thats my business. Pretty much everyone else in the comments have the same feelings as I do about critics but you choose to attack me. Go away troll.
And calling all of them "the critics" as if they are some kind of hivemind with only one opinion doesn't do them justice. Of course there are some hacks out there, but there are still lots if great critics that are able to express themselves properly, that can argue what's good and bad about a movie or show. Those aren't snobs. Just people who want to see good stuff.
MacFarlane actually pushed to be on Star Trek. Had a bit part on the Enterprise.
I can't say that for a single member of Discovery's cast and crew.
And how would you know?
Did you know that Tyler Perry was a closet Star Trek fan up until his role in 2008 movie? I guarantee you didn't because he said as much after getting the part.
How about Simon Pegg? He loved Trek and Wars both. Nerds come in all shapes and sizes and I'm sure you knew or followed none of the primary actors in the series at great detail.
@@rbartow22 that's because most people have lives, and girlfriends and stuff like that.
Because the innitial proposal bruh. Seth actually made proposal for it. Look it up.
With the Orville you can feel love for Star Trek, with STD you only feel hate for star trek. STD always leaves me sad, its like watching a video of a friend being abused.
The one way for professional TV Critics to loose relavence is to become completly at odds with a audience opinions
The entire point of reading a porfesional critics reviews has been to decide if a show or movie is worth watching. But if they are becoming unreliable... or even worse, reliablly at odds with audience opinion they will become irrelevant.
I would have read a professional review over general audience reviews in the past, because i'd expect them to be objective, and be able to give sensible creative reasons why a production is working or not. However if a professional is going to give something a high rating because of something as silly as race, it becomes an invalid way to judge a show.
I think the ever decreasing doctor who fan score for season 11 is interesting, but also show that fans will judge a whole series, while critics are usually just talking about episode 1.
Nick
Ironically they still fill that role, but like the Twilight Zone, you just have to reverse the paradigm. The critic is still telling you if a show is worth watching because of how loudly they protest that lacks all the things they deem important for a successful show. That is, if they pan it, it's good.
Ever since RT showed their hand giving the recent Ghostbusters a 90-something percent score in its release month I never returned to see what their score was on anything. They showed that their are either ideologically driven or easily manipulated by financial compensation. Dr. Who getting a 92% is ridiculous. Are you going to tell me that it's on par with "Citizen Kane" or "Godfather" or "Blade Runner," if you need a sci-fi comparison? I HIGHLY doubt it.
"The Orville" is not perfect, but it is good and scratches the itch I've had for another TNG since it went off the air. "Star Trek Discovery" was a terrible ST show filled to the brim with unlikable/unrelatable characters with a story that seems to have been stolen from an indie game, to boot.
One last thing, how is it that atheism is on the rise and yet most of these atheists have chosen the religion of social justice to be blinded by? I thought these same people, at some point, figured out the futility in letting fantasy cloud your views and judgement on arts and life? I guess I was wrong.
The score for Ghostbusters 2016 was a 70 something
@@billybarnett9518 I recall it being higher when it was in theaters and after if was out of the theaters it slowly dropped.
@Christine Taggart Thanks and a Happy New Year to you too!
I still think the Audience score has some value
@@pumpkonking733 I do too. It seems that isn't being suppressed or altered just yet. However, just for the fact that they would even consider manipulating a score has made me not want to even accidently give them ad revenue.
Loving the Orville, Discovery Its an absolute violation of what everything Gene Roddenberry stood for and believed in. I'm 30 and started watching TNG/DS9 as a kid with my dad. I couldnt imagine watching discovery with my kids now. I just hope we can teach the younger generations what real scifi/tv is. Great Video btw :D
Discovery is so awful. I don't care that it's preachy - Star Trek has always been preachy. For me I just can't stand how edgy and dark they've tried to make it. They've completely killed the _spirit_ of Star Trek.
The old Star Trek was built around the secret directive that the American president put in place to improve the world and work together with other countries after World War 2. Discovery is a lot more depressing, the show just doesn't have the positive outlook that Star Trek is known for. The whole point of the Space Program was to establish good relationships with aliens across the universe and discovering new things. Ironically "Discovery" doesn't seem to care about the discovery of new places and lost its positive outlook on alien cooperation.
DS9 is far from Roddenberry too. In fact every writer fought against the Roddenberry vision because you can only make so many stories with that shit.
DS9 is far more edgy than Discovery. I like Discovery and Orville. The thing i don't like about Discovery is that they went back instead of foward. We have this history and lore use it.
Totally agree with you; as the current trend in this Country seem to be hurling to, no moral values...
The Orville reminds me of Firefly. I LOVE it. It has great characters and story lines. I care about these people. Massively rewatchable. More please !
I am not a family guy fan. I warmed up to The Orville solely on content... What a great show !!! I was expected a cheesy spoof and was surprised how wrong I was.
jprph1 - I wasn’t to begin with, my brother watched it all the time but soon started to like Family Guy... I’ll watch it if it’s on tv - his film A million ways to die in the West didn’t do it for me at all... but I can’t wait till The Orville comes back on!
C. Phillips I agree with you on that movie! I had so much High Hopes for it and didn’t like it at all. I have watched family guy but like you said… If it’s on and nothing else is on. But the Orville was just such a big surprise to me and I really really like it !!!
@@jprph1 I saw AMWTDITW at the cinema, and there was absolute silence from the audience the entire way through. I have no idea what people saw in it, which is a shame because Macfarlane can be really funny when he wants. I'm looking forward to season two of Orville.
I adore the Orville. It feels like home for a fan of every Star Trek Pre-Discovery. Odd that the legacy media doesn't like it. The show takes on standard SJW topics but the major difference from other shows that do this is that the Orville focuses on great storytelling first.
Just like OG Star Trek, Nex Gen and Deep Space
I also like family guy and 1 million ways to die in the West. Along with star trek. So this show is perfect for me. :)
That’s the point of everyone’s criticism. You can address any SJW topic you like, but not at the risk of trying to force it into a story where it doesn’t belong.
EXACTLY! I'm not an SJW fan but I don't mind it so much when it's subtle and within an amazing story. The Orville gives us exactly that.
I was afraid to watch the Orville because I cant stand the family guy. I was hesitant and I was shocked. It's a great show. Its more star trek like than star trek is.
Nothing wrong waiting for review.
@CabinDoor I'd say give it a shot, it surprised me also.
Key factor - like TNG, it's an ensemble cast. Unlike STD's monocharacter focus, the Orville is about the crew and the ship. McFarlane is only like 1/8 of the focus, with the rest of the crew shining alongside.
Same. I don't like Family Guy but I love this show. It's definitely the Star Trek sequel I was looking for.
See, I've been on the fence about The Orville. Normally, I can't stand his animated work, but always enjoyed his live action and interviews. I was unsure of how this would go.
I've never seen "Star Trek" Discovery (apparently it's shit).
But The Orville is *amazing*! Great writing, great stories, great philosophy.
It's as good as any other Star Trek series (and maybe even consistently better than some).
If you're a Star Trek fan (and I'm a huge one), you should absolutely check out The Orville.
Sure, there may be no canon Star Trek series currently producing new episodes for television, but with The Orville we're covered.
seen every startrek movie/ serie out there, some series even multiple multiple multiple times.... the arrogant face of Seth makes some episodes unwatchable, he isnt a stable- captain picard from the old days, that delivers ALWAYS a constant.... seth is nothing more then a mediocre actor and it shows (sorry for having high standards) so all in all ... the serie gets an C- for me... and even that is stretching
@@roelven1282 Yes, exactly! While I found Discovery to having become quite tiresome, at least it's writing and acting was a lot better.
Love the orville, feels like a TV series of galaxy quest
lol yes. Galaxy Quest is great.
I’m surprised it got a 3rd season some of the stories in s2 have been bad, I would sooner have ted 3 than this.
It's same with the Oscars now. A movie can be as good as they get, if it doesn't feature a diverse cast it won't qualify for an Oscar.
Same with the so called critics on RT. If a show doesn't fit a certain agenda it will get a bad score.
Yeah I also my faith in the Oscars when they snub Lalaland for gay black dudes the movie.
Diversity for the sake of diversity isn't worth it.
but the insane part is that the orville is actually diverse. what it is not doing is smashing you in the teeth with it nor telling you what a shithead you are because one of your 843 pre-defined identities was just discovered to be satanically evil by some grievance studies done by lunatics...
it's actually quite hard to say whether all the low ratings are mainly because of Seth hate or of lack of extremism in the show. xD
By "diverse" I assume you mean anti-white male.
who watches or cares about the Oscars anymore? Isn't it pretty much just an SJW/feminazi convention nowadays?
I hate family guy and the like... but I love The Orville.
Who can hate family guy? It's this generations Simpsons.
Yeah hated the Simpsons too but I don’t mind the Orville. I even tolerate Seth’s actual mug appearing in it.
Family and the Simpsons has lost what make them good. The writers and culture make the show stagnant. The characters aren't allow to grow or change and the writers they have now aren't talented enough to do what the shows iconic. Simpsons is bland and hardly have anything to say and Family Guy is just try to be edgy.
if its a show that triggered the critics, then it must be an amazing show to watch. i'm going to watch it right now !!!
Over the weekend a number of online newspapers such as the Mirror and Daily Mail broke the story that Jodie Whitaker said in an interview she is hoping to get free vip tickets for the Glastonbury music festival in June 2019 as a result of her new fame from playing the 13th Doctor! What a shill!
Glastonbury is mainstream, dirty and boring. Give me Eurovision any day. Conchita Wurst would made a more convincing Doctor than Jodie, and he's a drag queen.
@ Paloma Alcade Careful, you'll give the diversity-obsessed BBC ideas... I mean that thing is male and female, looks like a woman but has a beard, is gay, and also has HIV. So DIVERSE. So INTERSECTIONAL. All they have to do is get it to convert to Islam and the role is it's.
@@SuperLloyd84 at least he's got more talent and dresses better than jodie. I can give you Mr. Lordi if you prefer it.
@ Paloma He's better looking than Jodie, too.
Coachella, she needs a ticket to Coachella 2019.
Oh, there is a consistent argument. It's called money.
I hit you're subscribe button not 5 minutes into this video. You are a genuine and honest dude and I appreciate you're commentary. You've honestly done your research. It was very eye-opening and I hope more people see your point of view on matters like this. thank you.
My retiered parents (75 and 69 years of age) watched Star Trek once in a blue moon. My father watched Next Gen whenever he caught it on TV, but didn't "plan" it. Well, they watched The Orville. After the first episode my mother asked me "Have you watched The Orville yet? It's really good!". Same with my father. They kept raving about it and asking me if I watched any episodes...after each episode. I told them no, because I want to watch it 'fully' (as in binge it with no commercials). I do that with all my tv shows.
These "Critics" who call the Orville 'bad' are just ignorant, self-entitled, paid-for-shills. That's all there is to it.
Lol...this has been happening since rottenTomatoes started, except mostly to only movies that are pro-Christian or even shows that show the conservative POV in good light. I thought that Orville would be far enough left, but I guess the line has moved.
The line is always moving, it seems to be trending towards VERY authoritarian communism.
Orville is basically Trek with jokes and really is the closest thing we have to a true Trek show today. yes a lot of the jokes fall flat and yes it started out with too much of the usual MacFarlane bad jokes but that was really toned down after a couple episodes and turned into something great. i just hope Seth can keep it up
I never listen to critics, they've been train to analyse, audiences just want to be entertained
Critics are baught long before the reviews are released. You really want to know what happens, follow the money. Not always easy to do though.
The only thing these "Critics" analyse is their pockets for shillings. They aren't real critics, real critics usually have some good things to say even about movies or shows that they didn't like. Real Critics highlight the good and the bad and they separate that from their opinion clearly. The "Official Critics" of today aren't doing any of that.
I don't watch Dr. Who or Star Trek Discovery (my apologies? 🤷♀️) but! I LOVE The Orville!! The humor is spot on and they also cover SEVERAL "hot button" issues in, I believe, every episode, and do so, not with any "Frat Boy" logic, but fairly. Why aren't the critics addressing those?
I'd recommend Doctor Who. We don't talk about season 11 though, that doesn't exist.