SO CLOSE to being PERFECT - Saturn 4 Ultra
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- Опубліковано 18 кві 2024
- Elegoo sent over the Saturn 4 Ultra for me to take a look at and if it had JUST ONE additional feature and had a better thought out camera... It would easily be the best resin 3d printer that Elegoo has ever made, for me at least. Close to perfect but not quite there...
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The fact that they didnt include a heater is helpful as it didnt increase the price for those of us who dont need it. You are looking at a narrow view of you. i think the lack of a heater is a pro, since I dont need it.
I have a solution for your location/temp issue. Use the printer in the studio, edit in the garage and wear a cardigan! Sorted.
Can't argue with that 🤣
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If you can measure how much of the vat stays above the recess in the chassis when it tilts, it will be possible to figure out if the Thermal Vat Band will work (that's the thin one you mentioned). The band is 1 inch wide, so if it's positioned at the top of the vat, just below the round off of the lip, it might work. The company also suggests it can be mounted inside the tank, though I'm not sure how long the adhesives would last with constant exposure to resin.
I use the airheater from Vog, with a heater fan and it works perfectly, I print at 40 degrees Celsius with functional especialized resin and it works perfectly, it circulates the air so the resin also warms up after 20 minutes or so.
Thanks for the vid. Also, love the bases you have made for the cauldron knights!
Thank you for the honest video. The heating is major thing needed for me being in a cold climate. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
Living in Central Australia, I'm pleased that the biggest criticism for this is the lack of heater.
Thank you for sharing your review it was great.
Smash this together with the GK Two, and it'd be an ideal printer to my mind. Take the more enclosed build plate, better flip-up lid, and the biggest thing for me - the vat heater, and combine it with the tilting mechanism and the self-leveling capabilities (and price), and I'd have already bought one. Here's hoping we get that one perfect printer some day...
I have a Saturn 2, and whilst I use the brewing band thing, and have a little ceramic heater to wam up the grow tent I keep it all in, it's all more ~stuff~ that needs fiddling with to get useful and costs a little more. An affordable, pretty much plug-and-play all in one solution would be a killer.
I think the price will be around 1400€ if you get all of this in one printer 😅. I also want the tilting and vat heating together. The air filters dont work anyway
Why can't we have heaters that heat the viscous fluid directly and not the air around it? If I can just suck air out of a big port on the machine, I probably don't need a tent. I'd prefer to maximize air exchange around the source of the toxicity instead of making a toxic tent I'll have to open in some air tight space near Canada anyways. So close, just not quite ideal yet. What a step forward from the last couple generations regardless.
I'm gonna be buyin one as soon as it is available in my region!
You could add (to any resin printer, as required) your own internal LED strip etc. LED's do not give off UV (extremely low, negligible levels), but if you really wanted to you could use a UV cover over them, like the case uses (translucent UV proof). I would not bother with that. Power (5v etc) could be stolen from the mainboard to run those added LEDs.
An internal heater, like the Elegoo one, would be no issue and would work totally fine. Heat will circulate, whether it was blown out sidewards, upwards, downwards....
It is trapped inside a "box". The main issue is losing heat when the cover is opened. But the same as for a heat band, you would preheat before printing anyway. So whilst a heat band system is better, the fan heater type wouldn't be too far amiss either.
The Vat is HIGH, so there should not be any issue finding a heatband that can still work with it anyway...... so even better, have BOTH heating methods.
looking to get a rein printer in a couple of months so thanks for the informative video.
Cheers for the video, any chance you have a link for the brewing heating band your using? Looks good quality and probably cheaper than the vat bands?
hi nice video ...can u share the link of ur heater band please
Thanks for the review! Do you know if the Mars 4 Ultra has the same features just smaller?
The tilt tank is only a feature on the S4 Ultra
Any news on if their heater is any good?
I think the Tilting Vat feature (so long as it works and doesn’t add a premature failure point or leveling issue) is being understated by most reviewers. Changing how each layer of a print is peeled off the FEP by starting the release at one side (as opposed to straight up) should greatly reduce the force required to release the print from the FEP. This should greatly reduce print failures and I imagine less wear and tear on the FEP as well and lowering the risk of a FEP Tear/leak. Just my two cents
Maybe allows less/smaller supports like the heygears
question - does the Saturn Ultra 4 come with a metal resin tank? Cheers!
That build plate would annoy the crap out of me, and the camera sounds useless. Other than those two things, great printer.
Someone had a video where the camera detected a fail which pierced the FEP. Which is pretty damn cool!
Oh thats really interesting! Can you remember what vid that was, I'd love to see it
Thanks for the great review. I pre ordered the Ultra but had the same concerns as you about their heating module so didn't purchase that.
I bought the Saturn 4 (normal version, gotta have that green) and I don't t even have wifi, haven't for more than a decade. Waiting on reveiws regarding that tilt feature. If a couple months down the line it ends up breaking, I don't want another headache.
Welp, guess you can't print custom Unfleshed in this. They'll just get refleshed.
Is there any stats about HOW much faster it is than say a Saturn 3 with a 70mm/m lift speed lifting to 8mm? Great video by the way!
I have a Saturn S that I have in a room, with the windows open, I printed through the winter with temperatures sometimes 20 degrees outside,….buy putting a small space heater in the room, and bring the ambient temperature to 70. Is that weird?
Ooh lurvely, I need a new printer. I also need loads of cool new stls to replace GW products.
Just come over to the OPR side!
Is saturn 3 and saturn 4 lcd Interchangeable?
Is this considered a step up from anycubic 6k printer?
What about a heat mat underneath the printer
Can you make a comparison?
Saturn 4 Ultra VS Photon Mono M7 Pro ؟
Thank you
About heating, I have Elegoo Mars 3, it have very very small space for something like heater. So I made one myself from 60w PTC heater, 20mm fan from server and cheap controller. It works great and I didnt had any failed prints. This one even have a hole you can use for self made heater and air purifier. But I have questions about auto leveling, how good it will work and why Saturn 3 ultra have 260mm height and saturn 4 ultra only 220mm despite fact it bigger machine.
No idea regarding the auto leveling as I don't have one yet (though I do have one on preorder) but I would assume the loss in print height is due to the fact the resin tank only tilts, it does not go up and down like the build plate.
@@Daergard well, saturn 4 dont have tilt tank and have same print height. Maybe not many models need that height.
Time-Lapse. I don't think they 'care' about the lousy Portrait mode, seeing you are viewing something WIDE and Landscape is a much smarter choice for that. They are more interested in covering the AI needs, and a sensible "computer/TV 16:9 format". So which should you choose? The sensible, majority leader format. Landscape.
And for TikTok etc..... who can't turn a mobile phone on its side????
The camera should be a addon for 10 to 20 bux
Looks great bar the hinged cover that looks dull and boring the green acrylic
Cover on the Saturn 4 has the better cover imo should have put the green on the ultra .
Is the idea to put your fingers bewteen the gap above the printing plate and the hinge when taking it off? Only a matter of time you drop it the way you take it off - no grip there at all. A couple of small wings at the side would have presented a much more secure grip. Dont like that design there at all considering my klutniness.
For the landscape video format. its like people forgot that if you turn your phone you get 16:9 video perfectly ! I hate vertical videos, they are constrictive.
I'm not watching another Saturn 4 video I haven't even used my Saturn 3 yet 😭
I'd bought one of these 2 days ago, so am glad I didn't screw up and have to try and cancel before they even give me a dispatch date.
As to temperature, I'm paranoid about resin cooling, shrinking and separating from the plate so try to keep the entire print volume up to temperature. If that heater unit blows air up it's hopefully doing so hard enough to actually circulate the air. If not you might as well try burning incense in there to appease the machine spirit.
Spot on Kitioth, totally agree with every single word here
Cheers mate!
Mine was garbage from the start. It can't print anything on the back part of the plate.
Yall making a big deal about heat, ive been printing all winter in a 41F garage with no issues and accuracy of prints down to .03+-mm
Youll be fine....
Glad it works for you. Not so much for me, especially with ABS-like resin.
Glad you've not had any trouble, but I have.
The Saturn 3 and Saturn 4 Ultra have the same light source and lcd so they gonna have the same quality.
I use a 25w Aquarium heater that suction cups to the cover. Works a treat
what kind?? can you point me in the right direction on this? what should I search specifically
Not everyone needs a heater so I don't think that's a CON for those people. I live in a hot area so a heater is useless.
Your Saturn 3 Ultra has no built in heater either? What are you doing for a heating solution for your Saturn 3? You compare keeping using your Saturn 3 Ultra over the Saturn 4 Ultra at the end of your video but it's confusing because the 3 Ultra doesn't come with any built in heating either. @kiriothtv
I also have a Saturn 3 Ultra i am planning to replace with the Saturn 4 Ultra and the no heater being such a sticking point from content creators has me confused.
If you watch the video again you might just catch the part where he mentions he uses a heating band on the S3U tank, and that the tilting tank on the S4U won't fit that band. As for why a heater, the resins perform best in a certain temperature range. If the resin isn't warm enough to start a print, the chances of failure are way higher. Some resins aren't as bad in lower (like around 18-19C) even though it isn't optimum, but some have higher failure rates if the temps aren't within the recommended. They warm up as the print proceeds, but the start is when the base layer is placed, and if it's too cold, failure is more likely.
I'm glad you're here, for a moment I thought I'd somehow cut out the bit where I talk about the heating band/why it wouldn't work on the S4 Ultra!
The printer is incredible, but the loss in the printing area was huge, unfortunately it won't work for me, because I print a lot of full-size heads on the Saturn 3 Ultra.
Your environment should not be a con for a product. You should get a printer that suits your environment. I live in a desert, heat is a non-issue so the lack of a heater is a cost savings for me on the printer. So its a pro for me.
Heated tanks are becoming more prevalent so while it might seem harsh counting the lack of one as a con, I think it's fair. It's something that can directly impact prints, and other companies recognise that. When you're comparing products you'd be daft not to take your environment into account before you spend your money.
No heater, no way of opening the damn thing up easily, yes it has a camera but it's absolute shite, and that downward lope for suction reduction is novel but it doesn't work as intended as the cam hardware is weak, there is a lot to hate about this "upgrade"
How do you know the cam hardware is weak?
I'll get a new printer when they finally settle on the correct features.
Correct features? What are you God?
So, you pay £70 extra for a camera that prevents you from printing? That's a pretty stupid feature in all honesty. They could've just made the print area far taller and wider instead. The standard version is still 12K, for £298 - that's an amazing pre-order price.
Why do all you people print silly little fantasy models? Can't you print something of use? Say knobs for a old radio? Gears for something ? I will never print any of these little toys.
Because those "silly little fantasy models" account for millions of dollars a year in sales (and social media views) both in printing and painting enthusiasts. Nobody gives a shit if you print a knob for your 1935 Magnavox radio.
Ok man
Ok boomer
Space heaters work fine for heating up resin, they just take a little longer.
I've got a saturn 3 ultra and I've mostly been loving it. recent issues (Pierced FEP) have kind of thrown that into jeopardy because it's made attempting to print anything absolute hell. as for temperature, I have tried pointing a heater at it but considering... current times, that is not financially viable, having a heater poiinted at a room with an open window for hours on end. good luck anyway!