I just love the filament of Recycling Fabrik! No compromises in quality, awesome price, and the nice feeling of your failed prints getting a second chance.
LOVE this format! I wish we had more videos like this. I've seen various videos on conventions like this and this is much nicer to digest and understand than hearing the audio or interviewing the people on camera. Actually really nice and probably more beneficial to those companies because if I want to learn more, I'll go to their own website. Great video with great B Roll!
Thank you for this - especially the footage of the Ankermake V6. They have not been providing many updates, let alone footage of how it’s working etc. Thanks again!
@Stefen thanks so much for setting up your thoughful store, I got a pinecil for my brithday back in may and I've been searching for heated insert tips since then just bought some from you :) You have a loyal customer for practical supplies thanks !
I was honestly skeptical of Anker makes 3d printer at first, now that I have one, it is by far one of the best bed slingers out there, literal plug and play, If I encountered any issue, a simple re-leveling and tweaking of basic settings of the print fixed it. Also love the fact that several parts can be replaced, from the heating block, nozzle, and even the print head itselt, and the continuing support is great to see also. Looking forward to a possible upgrade to the V6 version.
That ankermake material management cabinet is really cool. The size of that head is pretty intense though. Looks like it will be very heavy (affecting speed) and also the size limits the total build size you can effectively print. Still a very interesting concept though. Our calibration tool would work well for that too 😅
The Ankermake V6 is VERY interesting to me. It's mindblowing how much colour printing has exploded since Bambu. They gave the whole industry a kick up the complacency. I feel bad for Mosaic who just never managed to capitalise on their first-mover efforts. VERY disturbed to see two multimillion dollar companies starting Kickstarters for new models. Backers take all the risk and get no investment return. Sickening.
Agreed. MMUs were somewhat functional but had so many issues that people looked towards tool changers and IDEX... and those were all too expensive. Mosaic came out and got better and better and then... switched to industrial side with what basically is a MMU built into a printer (Palette X is the name of the MMU thing). And this happened mere months before the V6 kickstarter and Bambu launched. And they just appeared to stop caring. Same friendly people there, just no care to do much more on them. As for Kickstarter, many have covered it and it's well known at this point that these companies view it as a marketing and discovery platform.
The printed aluminum hotends are awesome. I love the pcb hotends. Minimizing the maintenance difficulty is awesome. For actually printing many objects the giant elegoo doesn't have any advantage with mor nozzles. It's just for big prints and that's all anyone will buy it for.
The Ankermake system looks like a really cool solution for printing non-flexible materials. I’m a little concerned with just how long the bowden tubes are that it could be problematic with more complex prints but eager to see the results
It seems like it might end up with issues, especially when using something other than PLA. Oozing could be an issue, the Z height of the nozzles might not be consistent enough, the mechanisms might wear too quickly, etc. also interestingly there was no prime tower, it would be easy to add in the slicer regardless but pretty much all multi colour printers have needed one until now.
I like how Elegoo has a dozen sales staff, sees a person filming their flagship product and then somehow doesn't recognize one of the biggest 3d printing UA-camrs with over 500k subscribers to even talk to them. Epic.
They have already pre-sold thousands of the OrangeStorm Giga and made millions of dollars. They don't need to speak to Stephan. An interview could show things that some may not like, and could hurt them ATP.
I contacted Micro Swiss to see if they're working on a good extruder for my new Elegoo Neptune 4 Pro. It's a generally well designed 3D printer with good features and build quality but like the other big consumer 3D printer manufacturers, the extruder is weak and not up to long term printing. After 2.5 months, the top and right side broke off and now the dual feed rollers are flexing leading to under extruding. Unfortunately, all I can get from Elegoo is another extruder that's the same. Micro Swiss is considering a print head for the Neptune 4 series.
@@Tyrone-Ward then why are they at a trade show, showing it off? They are there because it is marketing and to try and get more people interested in their printer. Do you think that just because they had a kickstarter they aren’t going to continue to advertise their printer? If the printer is successful the future sales will generate a lot more income than the kickstarter did. The very fact they are at a trade show means they want to show it off and advertise it, a way to advertise it even more would be to have an interview with a prominent 3D printing youtuber.
He never said they didn’t recognise him. I do agree though, it is very strange that they didn’t want to tell him all about it. Maybe somehow they didn’t recognise him or maybe elegoo didn’t want to speak to him for some reason.
@@conorstewart2214 I saw Stephan in the background on a Nathan Builds Robots video. I assumed that Elegoo employees saw Nathan and were hiding from him when Stephan walked up to their booth. 😀
I think I know how the eSun filament is made. I recently did a video on some Amolen filament that behaves the same way. From looking at the filament cross section, it appears to be just standard co-extrusion or tri-extrusion, but it behaves differently when printed. Originally, in order to get these colors to stay in alignment when printed, they were extruding filament that was oval in shape instead of round. When printed, the filament would orient itself in the path of least resistance as it was pulled through the extruder gears, giving a consistent alignment of colors. These new filaments I suspect are more round, causing the filament to rotates randomly back and forth when printed. There is no consistency to thecolour changes, making the “wobble” effect resulting in fast changes in colour.
I want to hear more about the Ankermake printer. I want a reliable multi-head printer that doesn't waste tons of filament and I consider a slower speed a perfectly valid and reasonable trade-off. They've chosen an interesting way of preventing oozing, but their approach at a glance seems like it could be more reliable e.g. wiping the nozzle against a brush or something.
Always wondered about running two nozzles for color where one preloads the next color and discards the filament with vacuum out the side while printing, even if it just launched it away from the bed would be another reason to watch your 3d printer 😊
The Ankermake color change system is a huge deal! While I don't think they have found the ideal solution yet, this is so much better than the very wasteful and time consuming Bambu style AMS. I am interested in multi-color printing, but not if it requires a ton of wasteful extrusion. I would much rather a system that results in some blobbing or color imperfections in infill and inner walls than one which has to poop everywhere.
Yeah, the printhead retraction/capping is a great idea, but the bowden extruders have to go. Either using ultra-light extruders (rq3's VDE-100 Schnekenstruder is about 60 grams), or a single motor with a transmission system to drive whichever printhead is active. The latter would also make it work with single-extruder motherboards, but would require custom firmware.
@@dekutree64 if it had a single motor and some kind of transmission system it still wouldn’t work on single extruder motherboards. You would need some system to lock the unused nozzles, which would require some kind of connection to the motherboard. Then there is the issue of the hotends itself, each hotend needs to be individually controlled which means that each hotend needs a thermistor and heater cartridge connected to the motherboard. A system like this just wouldn’t work with a motherboard meant for a single extruder, mostly because it still needs more thermistor and heater connections and if a motherboard is designed for a single extruder it generally only has support for one hotend. Putting the hotends in parallel, essentially all heaters connected and a single thermistor wouldn’t work either due to differences in cooling, heating, flow, etc, between the individual hot ends. Anyway, mainboards aren’t that expensive, you are better just buying a mainboard that can support what you need, or a system like Klipper where you can connect multiple mainboards. A BTT octopus with support for 8 motors and 4 hotends is less than £50 and a mainboard that could support 6 extruder motors and 6 hotends shouldn’t cost too much more.
Happy to see PHA make an appearance. I've been slowly seeing what I can transition to making out of PHA. Most prototypes can be at the very least, which is often a lot of people's plastic waste.
I use elegoo for prototyping and for many final products with great success. At 11$ I don't see myself using pha, way too expensive. But if it's works for you, great 👍.
PHA has some nice properties like heat resistance, also way less brittle than normal PLA. Now it warps A LOT. Some parts I can't even manage to print with it (yet I print them no prob in ABS…).
I missed 2 boths: - one research group modded an v0 with a e3d printed grid, which could be flipped, which enabled 90 degree overhangs on the contact surface. - the small comapny who build coextruder for filament, manufacturing PC ancoated with ABS and ABS with diverse fiber materials
Interesting exhibition, may pay a visit next year! The AnkerMake prototype is clever, it has long Bowden tubes which make oozing more prevalent, but hot ends are individually capped and decapped, preventing oozing. I just think it can be not really fast with that huge moving mass, so the primary benefit is the waste reduction on material change.
I was on the Prusa booth to ask for a prusa XL toolchanger packet to bastardize and install into my V-Core 3.1 (because its a much more capable printer). And the guy I talked to was super nice and explained how I would get the package, all of the necessary replacement parts and how to proceed to modify and install it. He told me to order it as an upgrade package online (although I may need to find s.o. with a prusa XL so he can order the upgrade kit for me). Then he told me they have a year lead time...
There are plenty of other tool changer designs out there and it still remains to be seen how reliable the Prusa one is. The one year lead time is ridiculous though, extra tool heads is going to be something that lots of people with the Prusa XL will want. So if you get your Prusa XL you can’t get extra toolheads for a year? Say you preordered the one tool head version, possibly to save money, would you have to wait a year to get more toolheads? This alone is a reason not to get the Prusa XL.
@conorstewart2214 seems like overtime they are getting better, I know the wait time is definitely annoying but to each their own. I have yet to see anything currently on the market that can do what the Prusa XL can do.
Prusa smaller XL's brother with 27cm3 build volume, built-in enclosure, active heating and 2x toolchanger at a price point of sub 1500$ would save them from the serious competitors
Look at how prusa operates and look me dead in the eyes and tell me you think they could pull that off. Part of the XLs problem is they tried too many things at once and I imagine intetnally feature creeped so bad the end product would be half baked no matter what. The other problem is that unlike other designs the XL doesnt at least to me, appear easy to scale. Many of the components luke power supply placement and the bed size seem much harder to split than say, a voron. I mean maybe they make it with only 2 bed panels side by side rather than 3, but I imagine its easier to just sell that rack mount printer.
@4:45 320C not 350C the additional $1000 includes AMS so it's not so expensive over standard X1C. they claim 320C makes it possible to print PPS, but you can already do it on the X1C - I do it easily.
For us the reason we bought X1E was the enterprise-grade wifi and rj45 port so we can connect to our secure company network. Honestly, that alone is worth the money for a company like ours.
All those big companys, and we still dont have a compact and "cheap" way to make filament at home. Using a simple machine. Still the best way is the PETG DIY projects on youtube.
One of the exciting videos you made was related to making translucent prints. From your visit to Formnet 2023, are there any particular filaments you recommend to your advocates?
I currently was looking into IDEX printers. The Ankermake V6 seems also interesting, i wonder how precise it is going to be. I am looking for some multi material capabilities.
I found the filament recycling company very interesting. Unfortunately Reycling Fabrik seems like yet another German company only reaching out to German residents. Of course international packets of waste could be expensive. I need to look if there are a similar company in Denmark, but I kinda doubt it.
Nice ok, though all site is in German and looked for English language selection (without the need to use translstion tools), which did not seem to cater to non-German customers. So ok it may be possible, if translating the site, and take it from there. Thanks.
I mean, sending waste material around the globe would negate much of the environmental argument for recycling. Ideally there should be a collection station in every city, but who's going to fund that?
@@leftaroundabout Yeah agree. Where I live most cities do have a nearby waste recycling station, but it is not common for those to recycle 3D print material, not even PLA. Though would be nice to be able to recycle this waste as well.
Glass printing is really interesting. I've felt like I've needed this for years, but right now I can't think what I'd actually use it for. With the layer lines, it's probably not food safe. The multi-color approach on the AnkerMake V6 is very interesting. The print shown (yes, it's a prototype) didn't look that good, with some visible layer errors, but I hope they can refine it to the point where it's painless. We need more multi-color choices, and preferably ones that don't waste as much filament as they use for the actual print. I wonder if ColorFabb has considered putting those elephant grass fibers in their PHA? Wouldn't that reduce the warping?
Why do the layer lines make it non food safe? I have printed quite a few food processing items form food safe PET-G and with the correct slicer parameters no gaps or nooks form where residues can collect.
@@Bapate-rh9be bacteria can survive in the gaps. I believe this has been demonstrated in lab tests (presumably by testing for bacterial growth in petri dishes).
I see. I used it to print cookie cutters, so I suppose it does not matter all that much as long as the cookies are properly baked. Thanks for the heads up!
"Layer lines make it non food safe" is just a tired talking point people love to repeat to feel smart. Meanwhile, every injection molded baby sippy cup has internal acute angles that are impossible to clean mechanically. Somehow we get by because we have these magic things like bleach and hot water and steam...
I'm surprised that workers of the booths have not been familiarised with faces of bigger youtubers from the 3D printing community and aren't eager to show things to them give tours etc.
13:06 That's exactly what I have been saying. Co Print ChromaSet sounds great, but they're pricing it too high beyond the Kickstarter prices. For the price of a full ChromaSet with Pad and 4x Extruders you can buy a Bambu Lab A1 mini that will do the same job... and give you an extra printer too. This would be a great addition to any printer, but they have to get the market price down to a level that will be cheaper than just buying another printer that does multi-colour straight out of the box.
Yeah the price is the biggest downside of it. It’s not exactly a new idea either, it’s just taken to the extreme with a filament cutter added in, even the A1M uses an incredibly similar system. Even compared with the standard AMS it isn’t really that great of a price.
Ths pricing is amazing and the fact that it works with almost any printer even more. Bambu ams is bambu only Prusa mmu has bad compatibility with other printer Pallette is extremely expensive and if you have a printer like a neptune its hard to make it work with. I tried personally and ended up returning still waiting for a refund for the return from reprap store for over 3 months. The ankermake not sure will work for other printers and most def slow and it seems limited to 6 colors. Also chromepad is only required if you dont already have a pad and can be used on multiple printers So if you want chromahesd for 3 printers you can get 1 chromaset snd 2 chromaset So you end up paying around 1200$ if you get super early bird. Thats 400$ per printer Compared to the ankermaker v6 that everyone is so proud of that's 100$ cheaper than its advertised msrp price If people are buying palette 3 pro that are around 1200$ they will def buy the chromaheads
That's cool innovation with the 6 nozzle print head. No purge tower? 🤔 This is really great because it's going to push others to step up. For me as a hobbyist, I'm still looking at getting a P1S and a couple A1 minis for simultaneous printing
They haven’t shown how well it actually works yet, there is a reason that every multi colour printer until now, including IDEX, has used a prime tower.
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Honestly, im not surprised Duet3D's share of the maker community is dropping.i love Duet hardware, its stunning, and incredibly well built, and the documentation is extensive (if impeccable confusing) but it is also ungodly expensive, and not for no reason, but its really hard to compete when your main pulls are "we are reliable, and we run this firmware" BTT might swap components and firmware every 4 months, but at least I know I can afford them. Duet3D never seemed like a consumer business, it seemed like a B2B enterprise that someone convinced them to sell some to the public
I used Duets in almost all of my builds because the whole system is just easy and seamless to work with, especially for someone that is more into the mechanical aspect of 3d printing rather than the software... And the duet just made life easy. And also I don't think it's fair to say that it wasn't really a consumer business because it came directly out of the community, David Crocker (one of the guys behind the hardware and software of the duets) was, and still is very active on the RepRap Forums (and not just in relation to duet, just generally helpful) so you had an easy and direct line to him if you were having issues, and he seemed to be pretty receptive to ideas for new features or improvements, which is how a lot of new developments quickly got support on the duet and in reprapfirmware. So yeah sure that all doesn't really matter if you're just building a standard printer, but if you like experimenting and building some more unconventional designs, the duet has always been a very good option. Though undoubtedly nowadays the cheaper offerings out of China have matured a lot. It's not just all RAMPS 1.4's stuck onto fake arduinos anymore, or some slapped together board with bare bones firmware support where you have to go to a sketchy site just to find a version of marlin that works on it lol I guess it's kinda similar to how Chinese printers in general just improved, back in the day there were so many just garbage printers coming out of China, even creality had a bit of a rough start. But now they're all pretty much fine. Or even excellent.
On my V0 which i got from stefan i use a Fly board with RRF. On the MK3 the einsy. On the other ones Duet mini5+. You sometimes get them "cheap" so far i paid 92€, 95€ and 115€ for them which is ok. I had 3 SKR2, 3 Octopus (1 dead on arrival, which i didn't got replaced), 2 e3 mini, 1 ramps 1.6 All of the boards died sooner or later. Ok i have 1 last mini e3 which was in stefans V0. Buy cheap buy twice. But sadly at the store i bought them before they are actually at 165€ (converted to €)
the mantra of "buy one cry once, buy man cry many" certainly holds true, but in my personal experience I've only ever lost one board (DOA got replaced free of charge by vendor) so paying double or triple for Duet was always a tough option for me@@danielkrah5129
@@CNCKitchen Ah I see. I usually use M3 or larger for all my prints so I don’t come across that issue but I had to use M2 a while ago and it felt like it was gonna strip anytime soon every-time I use it.
Although it is kind of an old idea, I think the Ankermake V6 may be the best, and simplest way, to do multi-color. Compared to the tool-changer approach of Prusa or the AMS. Yeah you have a bunch of moving mass, but we have input shaping and step loss detection now. Put a 6-tool head like this on a linear motor motion system like the Peopoly Magneto, with closed-loop control, and now you're talking.
Just discovered PHA from this video. Prototyping prints alone would save so much waste. I'm very interested in this material. At least then any waste prints are biodegradable.
X1e only gets to 60C in the chamber which just isn't enough. Stratasys has decade of empirical data including physical prints showing that you need mucb higher. Try like 90c for ABC+ASA and it only gets higher from there for exotics like Peek and ultim. I think the top end stratasys printers have a controlled chamber more like 200c and they do really good at actively circulating so its really uniform without cold spots.
Definitely some neat finds here. The multi-material printers are nice to see getting more attention, hoping they become a bit more accessible in the future; but I'd say the stand out is the recycled material booth. Not sure why it costing the same as regular filament is a deterrent for anyone if it's just as good; heck, I'd pay more for it coming from a better source, but the fact it's about the same as a definite plus. Will be checking them out later for sure
Well nevermind about recycling fabrik I guess, their site doesn't seem to be available..at least not here (in the us).. hopefully they open up to international markets soon, I would love to try out their filament
Dont overestimate E3D, those companies choose to cooperate just for the community. They can instantly design and fabricate their own hotend once E3D stopped providing them
I just love the filament of Recycling Fabrik! No compromises in quality, awesome price, and the nice feeling of your failed prints getting a second chance.
20$ per kilo is an awesome price?
Nice to be rich.
@@rightsdontcomewithpermits7073it is the normal price for PLA in germany. Only vers few other PLA are below that.
@dontcomewithpermits7073 what? $20 per kilo is like $5 less than what Esun's or Overture's filaments cost. That really is not expensive
LMAO i pay 25 for PolyTerra PLA and I thoughts its cheapish, you just made me check the prices@@rightsdontcomewithpermits7073
LOVE this format! I wish we had more videos like this. I've seen various videos on conventions like this and this is much nicer to digest and understand than hearing the audio or interviewing the people on camera. Actually really nice and probably more beneficial to those companies because if I want to learn more, I'll go to their own website. Great video with great B Roll!
Thank you for this - especially the footage of the Ankermake V6. They have not been providing many updates, let alone footage of how it’s working etc. Thanks again!
Now there really not
@Stefen thanks so much for setting up your thoughful store, I got a pinecil for my brithday back in may and I've been searching for heated insert tips since then just bought some from you :) You have a loyal customer for practical supplies thanks !
GLASS 3D PRINTING?? Imagine the crazy cool glassware we could make for chemistry with that!
My first thought too!😂
But it wont come close to the borosilicate glassware we are used to so thats that...
I was honestly skeptical of Anker makes 3d printer at first, now that I have one, it is by far one of the best bed slingers out there, literal plug and play, If I encountered any issue, a simple re-leveling and tweaking of basic settings of the print fixed it. Also love the fact that several parts can be replaced, from the heating block, nozzle, and even the print head itselt, and the continuing support is great to see also. Looking forward to a possible upgrade to the V6 version.
There are a lot of fun new things in the works for 3d printing. Thanks for documenting this for us!!
I can't believe Elegoo missed the chance to talk to a big UA-camr! 😱 Looking forward to the Ankermake V6 and the future of color printing!
That ankermake material management cabinet is really cool. The size of that head is pretty intense though. Looks like it will be very heavy (affecting speed) and also the size limits the total build size you can effectively print. Still a very interesting concept though. Our calibration tool would work well for that too 😅
The Ankermake V6 is VERY interesting to me. It's mindblowing how much colour printing has exploded since Bambu. They gave the whole industry a kick up the complacency. I feel bad for Mosaic who just never managed to capitalise on their first-mover efforts.
VERY disturbed to see two multimillion dollar companies starting Kickstarters for new models. Backers take all the risk and get no investment return. Sickening.
That single delrin wheel at the bottom to support the 6 hotend toolhead... plus that ultra long bowden extrusion... great idea badly executed
Really? That's enough to "disturb" and "sicken" you? Overdramatic much?
Agreed. MMUs were somewhat functional but had so many issues that people looked towards tool changers and IDEX... and those were all too expensive. Mosaic came out and got better and better and then... switched to industrial side with what basically is a MMU built into a printer (Palette X is the name of the MMU thing). And this happened mere months before the V6 kickstarter and Bambu launched. And they just appeared to stop caring. Same friendly people there, just no care to do much more on them.
As for Kickstarter, many have covered it and it's well known at this point that these companies view it as a marketing and discovery platform.
@@frankcecil5188 All BL did was copy and rip off other open source innovations.
Aren't Kickstarters usually like 25% cheaper than MSRP?
that sounds like a benefit to me. Did you want stocks in the company?
The printed aluminum hotends are awesome.
I love the pcb hotends. Minimizing the maintenance difficulty is awesome.
For actually printing many objects the giant elegoo doesn't have any advantage with mor nozzles. It's just for big prints and that's all anyone will buy it for.
The Ankermake system looks like a really cool solution for printing non-flexible materials. I’m a little concerned with just how long the bowden tubes are that it could be problematic with more complex prints but eager to see the results
It seems like it might end up with issues, especially when using something other than PLA. Oozing could be an issue, the Z height of the nozzles might not be consistent enough, the mechanisms might wear too quickly, etc. also interestingly there was no prime tower, it would be easy to add in the slicer regardless but pretty much all multi colour printers have needed one until now.
I like how Elegoo has a dozen sales staff, sees a person filming their flagship product and then somehow doesn't recognize one of the biggest 3d printing UA-camrs with over 500k subscribers to even talk to them. Epic.
They have already pre-sold thousands of the OrangeStorm Giga and made millions of dollars. They don't need to speak to Stephan. An interview could show things that some may not like, and could hurt them ATP.
I contacted Micro Swiss to see if they're working on a good extruder for my new Elegoo Neptune 4 Pro. It's a generally well designed 3D printer with good features and build quality but like the other big consumer 3D printer manufacturers, the extruder is weak and not up to long term printing. After 2.5 months, the top and right side broke off and now the dual feed rollers are flexing leading to under extruding. Unfortunately, all I can get from Elegoo is another extruder that's the same. Micro Swiss is considering a print head for the Neptune 4 series.
@@Tyrone-Ward then why are they at a trade show, showing it off? They are there because it is marketing and to try and get more people interested in their printer. Do you think that just because they had a kickstarter they aren’t going to continue to advertise their printer? If the printer is successful the future sales will generate a lot more income than the kickstarter did.
The very fact they are at a trade show means they want to show it off and advertise it, a way to advertise it even more would be to have an interview with a prominent 3D printing youtuber.
He never said they didn’t recognise him. I do agree though, it is very strange that they didn’t want to tell him all about it. Maybe somehow they didn’t recognise him or maybe elegoo didn’t want to speak to him for some reason.
@@conorstewart2214 I saw Stephan in the background on a Nathan Builds Robots video. I assumed that Elegoo employees saw Nathan and were hiding from him when Stephan walked up to their booth. 😀
Thank you so much! Your coverage is great and I appreciate it all in one video
Thanks! Appreciate it.
I think I know how the eSun filament is made. I recently did a video on some Amolen filament that behaves the same way. From looking at the filament cross section, it appears to be just standard co-extrusion or tri-extrusion, but it behaves differently when printed. Originally, in order to get these colors to stay in alignment when printed, they were extruding filament that was oval in shape instead of round. When printed, the filament would orient itself in the path of least resistance as it was pulled through the extruder gears, giving a consistent alignment of colors. These new filaments I suspect are more round, causing the filament to rotates randomly back and forth when printed. There is no consistency to thecolour changes, making the “wobble” effect resulting in fast changes in colour.
Great observation, and good example of a possible outcome when (Esun in this case) apply the development though: " what happens if we dont do this"
What a great job on this video!! I really enjoyed your highlights of the show!!
7:38 Hey, who's that? Oh, that's me!
It was a pleasure to meet you again at FormNext, exchange a few words with you and take a selfie.
your commercial in the beginning really lead me to go buy more stuff from you. Thank you for your quality items. ALWAYS keep the quality! thank you.
Awesome! Thank you!
Great format! love it. so much news in a short video is terrific.
The E3D Roto looks very promising, I can't wait to get my hands on it
I want to hear more about the Ankermake printer. I want a reliable multi-head printer that doesn't waste tons of filament and I consider a slower speed a perfectly valid and reasonable trade-off. They've chosen an interesting way of preventing oozing, but their approach at a glance seems like it could be more reliable e.g. wiping the nozzle against a brush or something.
Always wondered about running two nozzles for color where one preloads the next color and discards the filament with vacuum out the side while printing, even if it just launched it away from the bed would be another reason to watch your 3d printer 😊
Finally an enclosed prusa xl 😊
Thanks for the great update!
Love this format..! Nice to see a new sponsor for the channel😂 hope that business grows exponentially too.
The Ankermake color change system is a huge deal! While I don't think they have found the ideal solution yet, this is so much better than the very wasteful and time consuming Bambu style AMS. I am interested in multi-color printing, but not if it requires a ton of wasteful extrusion. I would much rather a system that results in some blobbing or color imperfections in infill and inner walls than one which has to poop everywhere.
Yeah, the printhead retraction/capping is a great idea, but the bowden extruders have to go. Either using ultra-light extruders (rq3's VDE-100 Schnekenstruder is about 60 grams), or a single motor with a transmission system to drive whichever printhead is active. The latter would also make it work with single-extruder motherboards, but would require custom firmware.
@@dekutree64 if it had a single motor and some kind of transmission system it still wouldn’t work on single extruder motherboards. You would need some system to lock the unused nozzles, which would require some kind of connection to the motherboard. Then there is the issue of the hotends itself, each hotend needs to be individually controlled which means that each hotend needs a thermistor and heater cartridge connected to the motherboard.
A system like this just wouldn’t work with a motherboard meant for a single extruder, mostly because it still needs more thermistor and heater connections and if a motherboard is designed for a single extruder it generally only has support for one hotend.
Putting the hotends in parallel, essentially all heaters connected and a single thermistor wouldn’t work either due to differences in cooling, heating, flow, etc, between the individual hot ends.
Anyway, mainboards aren’t that expensive, you are better just buying a mainboard that can support what you need, or a system like Klipper where you can connect multiple mainboards. A BTT octopus with support for 8 motors and 4 hotends is less than £50 and a mainboard that could support 6 extruder motors and 6 hotends shouldn’t cost too much more.
Happy to see PHA make an appearance. I've been slowly seeing what I can transition to making out of PHA. Most prototypes can be at the very least, which is often a lot of people's plastic waste.
I use elegoo for prototyping and for many final products with great success. At 11$ I don't see myself using pha, way too expensive.
But if it's works for you, great 👍.
PHA has some nice properties like heat resistance, also way less brittle than normal PLA. Now it warps A LOT. Some parts I can't even manage to print with it (yet I print them no prob in ABS…).
ELEGOO ORANGE STORM !!! OMGGGG AMAZING I NEED IT .. WAITED SO LONG FOR AN BIGGER AND WELL MADE MACHINE..
I missed 2 boths:
- one research group modded an v0 with a e3d printed grid, which could be flipped, which enabled 90 degree overhangs on the contact surface.
- the small comapny who build coextruder for filament, manufacturing PC ancoated with ABS and ABS with diverse fiber materials
Thank you for the fine coverage.
Love the glass printing
Interesting exhibition, may pay a visit next year!
The AnkerMake prototype is clever, it has long Bowden tubes which make oozing more prevalent, but hot ends are individually capped and decapped, preventing oozing. I just think it can be not really fast with that huge moving mass, so the primary benefit is the waste reduction on material change.
I can’t see the caps lasting that long or being that useful. I would be very surprised if it prints all that well long term.
that has got to be the most helpful sponsored segment I've ever seen I've been NEEDING a heat set insert tool for my ts100
Thanks for this highlight of the 3D printing technology state of the art.
I was on the Prusa booth to ask for a prusa XL toolchanger packet to bastardize and install into my V-Core 3.1 (because its a much more capable printer). And the guy I talked to was super nice and explained how I would get the package, all of the necessary replacement parts and how to proceed to modify and install it. He told me to order it as an upgrade package online (although I may need to find s.o. with a prusa XL so he can order the upgrade kit for me). Then he told me they have a year lead time...
Lol 1 year lead time. By that time it's already outdated. That's so prusa
There are plenty of other tool changer designs out there and it still remains to be seen how reliable the Prusa one is.
The one year lead time is ridiculous though, extra tool heads is going to be something that lots of people with the Prusa XL will want. So if you get your Prusa XL you can’t get extra toolheads for a year? Say you preordered the one tool head version, possibly to save money, would you have to wait a year to get more toolheads? This alone is a reason not to get the Prusa XL.
@conorstewart2214 seems like overtime they are getting better, I know the wait time is definitely annoying but to each their own. I have yet to see anything currently on the market that can do what the Prusa XL can do.
It was great to meet you Stefan! 🙂
Cheers for the video bro, so much fantastic gear on the horizon
Also thank you for making this video so we can live vicariously through you at the show 🙂
Doing my best!
You're doing great@@CNCKitchen 🙏
Finally got a peek at the V6.
I would love to see more info about PHA. Can you do a series on printing with PHA?
Thanks for this video ! its so cool !
Prusa smaller XL's brother with 27cm3 build volume, built-in enclosure, active heating and 2x toolchanger at a price point of sub 1500$ would save them from the serious competitors
Look at how prusa operates and look me dead in the eyes and tell me you think they could pull that off.
Part of the XLs problem is they tried too many things at once and I imagine intetnally feature creeped so bad the end product would be half baked no matter what.
The other problem is that unlike other designs the XL doesnt at least to me, appear easy to scale.
Many of the components luke power supply placement and the bed size seem much harder to split than say, a voron.
I mean maybe they make it with only 2 bed panels side by side rather than 3, but I imagine its easier to just sell that rack mount printer.
I’m so hyped for the anker made
@4:45 320C not 350C the additional $1000 includes AMS so it's not so expensive over standard X1C. they claim 320C makes it possible to print PPS, but you can already do it on the X1C - I do it easily.
For us the reason we bought X1E was the enterprise-grade wifi and rj45 port so we can connect to our secure company network. Honestly, that alone is worth the money for a company like ours.
All those big companys, and we still dont have a compact and "cheap" way to make filament at home. Using a simple machine.
Still the best way is the PETG DIY projects on youtube.
One of the exciting videos you made was related to making translucent prints. From your visit to Formnet 2023, are there any particular filaments you recommend to your advocates?
I currently was looking into IDEX printers. The Ankermake V6 seems also interesting, i wonder how precise it is going to be. I am looking for some multi material capabilities.
Do you plan on releasing T12 Insert Tips at all? Had a measure and the TS100 will not fit into my KSGER T12 Station Handle, too short :(
E3D Revo X BambuLab?
I found the filament recycling company very interesting. Unfortunately Reycling Fabrik seems like yet another German company only reaching out to German residents. Of course international packets of waste could be expensive. I need to look if there are a similar company in Denmark, but I kinda doubt it.
In their FAQ they write that you can also send in filament from other European countries, but then at least 15 kg of filament and spools.
Nice ok, though all site is in German and looked for English language selection (without the need to use translstion tools), which did not seem to cater to non-German customers. So ok it may be possible, if translating the site, and take it from there. Thanks.
I mean, sending waste material around the globe would negate much of the environmental argument for recycling. Ideally there should be a collection station in every city, but who's going to fund that?
@@leftaroundabout Yeah agree. Where I live most cities do have a nearby waste recycling station, but it is not common for those to recycle 3D print material, not even PLA. Though would be nice to be able to recycle this waste as well.
Just ordered 110 € worth of equipment. im excited how good the insert screws are. :)
Glass printing is really interesting. I've felt like I've needed this for years, but right now I can't think what I'd actually use it for. With the layer lines, it's probably not food safe.
The multi-color approach on the AnkerMake V6 is very interesting. The print shown (yes, it's a prototype) didn't look that good, with some visible layer errors, but I hope they can refine it to the point where it's painless. We need more multi-color choices, and preferably ones that don't waste as much filament as they use for the actual print.
I wonder if ColorFabb has considered putting those elephant grass fibers in their PHA? Wouldn't that reduce the warping?
Why do the layer lines make it non food safe? I have printed quite a few food processing items form food safe PET-G and with the correct slicer parameters no gaps or nooks form where residues can collect.
@@Bapate-rh9be the layer lines will always be a place for residues and bacteria to build up
@@Bapate-rh9be bacteria can survive in the gaps. I believe this has been demonstrated in lab tests (presumably by testing for bacterial growth in petri dishes).
I see. I used it to print cookie cutters, so I suppose it does not matter all that much as long as the cookies are properly baked. Thanks for the heads up!
"Layer lines make it non food safe" is just a tired talking point people love to repeat to feel smart. Meanwhile, every injection molded baby sippy cup has internal acute angles that are impossible to clean mechanically. Somehow we get by because we have these magic things like bleach and hot water and steam...
I talked to e3d and perhaps… just maybe… they will use their CHT technology for the BambuLab hotends.
You miss the Dianoz from Gühring! I'm glad to test some sobon. For me as a cutting mechanic the best thing ;)
Danke Stefan
I'm surprised that workers of the booths have not been familiarised with faces of bigger youtubers from the 3D printing community and aren't eager to show things to them give tours etc.
13:06 That's exactly what I have been saying. Co Print ChromaSet sounds great, but they're pricing it too high beyond the Kickstarter prices. For the price of a full ChromaSet with Pad and 4x Extruders you can buy a Bambu Lab A1 mini that will do the same job... and give you an extra printer too.
This would be a great addition to any printer, but they have to get the market price down to a level that will be cheaper than just buying another printer that does multi-colour straight out of the box.
Yeah the price is the biggest downside of it. It’s not exactly a new idea either, it’s just taken to the extreme with a filament cutter added in, even the A1M uses an incredibly similar system. Even compared with the standard AMS it isn’t really that great of a price.
Ths pricing is amazing and the fact that it works with almost any printer even more.
Bambu ams is bambu only
Prusa mmu has bad compatibility with other printer
Pallette is extremely expensive and if you have a printer like a neptune its hard to make it work with. I tried personally and ended up returning still waiting for a refund for the return from reprap store for over 3 months.
The ankermake not sure will work for other printers and most def slow and it seems limited to 6 colors.
Also chromepad is only required if you dont already have a pad and can be used on multiple printers
So if you want chromahesd for 3 printers you can get 1 chromaset snd 2 chromaset
So you end up paying around 1200$ if you get super early bird.
Thats 400$ per printer
Compared to the ankermaker v6 that everyone is so proud of that's 100$ cheaper than its advertised msrp price
If people are buying palette 3 pro that are around 1200$ they will def buy the chromaheads
Thanks Stephan
Nice video!
thanks a lot! That was really interesting 👍
That's cool innovation with the 6 nozzle print head. No purge tower? 🤔 This is really great because it's going to push others to step up.
For me as a hobbyist, I'm still looking at getting a P1S and a couple A1 minis for simultaneous printing
They haven’t shown how well it actually works yet, there is a reason that every multi colour printer until now, including IDEX, has used a prime tower.
Thanks for the great video🌺
You are welcome!
Hello, May i ask this Formnext free for visitors or not ? do i have to get ticket or ??
I couldn't find information about that, I really want to visit Formnext 2024.
Thanks for the video!
Just a heads-up: Stefans heat inserts are one of the bests I have tried! 👍🏼
Honestly, im not surprised Duet3D's share of the maker community is dropping.i love Duet hardware, its stunning, and incredibly well built, and the documentation is extensive (if impeccable confusing) but it is also ungodly expensive, and not for no reason, but its really hard to compete when your main pulls are "we are reliable, and we run this firmware" BTT might swap components and firmware every 4 months, but at least I know I can afford them. Duet3D never seemed like a consumer business, it seemed like a B2B enterprise that someone convinced them to sell some to the public
i think its hard to justife mainboards for couble hundret euros on 3d printers i see them more in stuff like low budget cnc machines 2k - 5k machienes
I used Duets in almost all of my builds because the whole system is just easy and seamless to work with, especially for someone that is more into the mechanical aspect of 3d printing rather than the software... And the duet just made life easy.
And also I don't think it's fair to say that it wasn't really a consumer business because it came directly out of the community, David Crocker (one of the guys behind the hardware and software of the duets) was, and still is very active on the RepRap Forums (and not just in relation to duet, just generally helpful) so you had an easy and direct line to him if you were having issues, and he seemed to be pretty receptive to ideas for new features or improvements, which is how a lot of new developments quickly got support on the duet and in reprapfirmware.
So yeah sure that all doesn't really matter if you're just building a standard printer, but if you like experimenting and building some more unconventional designs, the duet has always been a very good option.
Though undoubtedly nowadays the cheaper offerings out of China have matured a lot. It's not just all RAMPS 1.4's stuck onto fake arduinos anymore, or some slapped together board with bare bones firmware support where you have to go to a sketchy site just to find a version of marlin that works on it lol
I guess it's kinda similar to how Chinese printers in general just improved, back in the day there were so many just garbage printers coming out of China, even creality had a bit of a rough start. But now they're all pretty much fine. Or even excellent.
On my V0 which i got from stefan i use a Fly board with RRF. On the MK3 the einsy. On the other ones Duet mini5+. You sometimes get them "cheap" so far i paid 92€, 95€ and 115€ for them which is ok. I had 3 SKR2, 3 Octopus (1 dead on arrival, which i didn't got replaced), 2 e3 mini, 1 ramps 1.6 All of the boards died sooner or later. Ok i have 1 last mini e3 which was in stefans V0. Buy cheap buy twice. But sadly at the store i bought them before they are actually at 165€ (converted to €)
@@danielkrah5129that's still insanely expensive for the features they offer. I paid €105 for a manta m8p with 8 2209s and a cb1.
the mantra of "buy one cry once, buy man cry many" certainly holds true, but in my personal experience I've only ever lost one board (DOA got replaced free of charge by vendor) so paying double or triple for Duet was always a tough option for me@@danielkrah5129
How are socket head cap screws annoying?
Did you ever strip a hex key on a small bolt? When I built my Voron 0,the M2 and M2.5 bolts drove me nuts. TX makes that sooo much better!
@@CNCKitchen Ah I see. I usually use M3 or larger for all my prints so I don’t come across that issue but I had to use M2 a while ago and it felt like it was gonna strip anytime soon every-time I use it.
prusa XL is still the fastest multicolor / multimaterial printer on market also with zero waste. noone can beat that now on market.
13:48 if you leave PLA out in the sun for a year you'll get this on half the roll that was exposed and darker on half the roll that was covered
What filament is that at 0:25? I don't even see any layers, wow.
What we really need are reusable storage vacuum bags
Is that a hybrid mech cement 3D printer at 0:04 ?
Thanks for the info
The glass3D Printer is out of this world.. imagine that.. solar powered, printing away on mars or the moon with the material at hand
Instead of purging the filenament can't they print something with the filament which doesn't require the looks?
I was shocked at the quality my Ankermake printer was able to do out of the box, and at such high speeds too.
Thanks for the video, I really wanted to go but could not justify the cost atm. I feel as if i went after watching the video. thx
will the v6 work with the m5c
PHA would be a good option for prototyping and verification and other materials as a final output from a project.
War cool dich mal kennen lernen!!
Ebenso!
The most exciting part of this video for me is that phrozen filament box. We need more mmu options in the klipper community.
E3D and bambu collab hint at 9:58?
Man, i really want to go to next years formnext now
Definitely worth visiting and you can usually get free tickets from the vendors!
Although it is kind of an old idea, I think the Ankermake V6 may be the best, and simplest way, to do multi-color. Compared to the tool-changer approach of Prusa or the AMS. Yeah you have a bunch of moving mass, but we have input shaping and step loss detection now. Put a 6-tool head like this on a linear motor motion system like the Peopoly Magneto, with closed-loop control, and now you're talking.
i really want to go, is it invite only or is it public
The ankermake V6 is no longer in development
Why
10:11 this is really interesting and it seems like a better solution than all extra wait time and waste with the current multicolor printing method
how much did you pay for youre ticket`? i live in germany and i wanna go next year
Just discovered PHA from this video. Prototyping prints alone would save so much waste. I'm very interested in this material. At least then any waste prints are biodegradable.
7:30 YES YES YES 5 axis 3D printer.
When will you review about CoPrint machine in your lab? 😊 If they didn’t send please inform me. I can talk with them. 👍
Ahah wanna speed up my backing so i get first in list 😂. Backed like 1500€
X1e only gets to 60C in the chamber which just isn't enough. Stratasys has decade of empirical data including physical prints showing that you need mucb higher. Try like 90c for ABC+ASA and it only gets higher from there for exotics like Peek and ultim. I think the top end stratasys printers have a controlled chamber more like 200c and they do really good at actively circulating so its really uniform without cold spots.
I love flying gantry for large corexy printers
16:45 'Carbon Footprint'. All right - thought so.
Definitely some neat finds here. The multi-material printers are nice to see getting more attention, hoping they become a bit more accessible in the future; but I'd say the stand out is the recycled material booth. Not sure why it costing the same as regular filament is a deterrent for anyone if it's just as good; heck, I'd pay more for it coming from a better source, but the fact it's about the same as a definite plus. Will be checking them out later for sure
Well nevermind about recycling fabrik I guess, their site doesn't seem to be available..at least not here (in the us).. hopefully they open up to international markets soon, I would love to try out their filament
AnkerMake, it looks like you would only get to print in the center of the bed and not to fully to the edge.
9:50 So, if E3D decides not to provide anymore, what would those brands do?.. to me, successfully extruding is what makes a 3D printer successful?
Dont overestimate E3D, those companies choose to cooperate just for the community. They can instantly design and fabricate their own hotend once E3D stopped providing them
I have been using eSUN filament in my MK3s for 3 years and I am pleased with the results.
whoa spotted @alch 1:30