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As former PC enthusiast, this is simple. But i can definitely see how this upgrade would be pretty intimidating for the average user.
Coming from an FDM background I'm still amazed at the detail I get from my tiny 4k resin printer. I don't keep up with resin printers much so to see that huge 12k printers are the norm now is crazy. A year passing in 3d printing is like 3 years in any other field.
Thank you for this review. I JUST received my original GKTwo due to your original video recommending it. Upon performing the setup I saw that they had the 12k "upgrade" kit available and I almost pulled the trigger until I saw your explanation. Even though I am an experienced CP builder and hobbyist electronics buff, I am glad to not have pulled the trigger for "upgrade". I was not worried about the install, but worried that prints would be marginally better (or heaven forbid worse) and potentially lose some "crispiness" *read detail*. I believe I am in the same camp as you with regards to sharper details and utilizing anti-aliasing when needed. I do truly appreciate your opinions and value your experience in this field.
I guessed right! And I'll be buying Uniformation GK Two and sticking with 8K until 14K with the same X and Y axis pixel size is a standard.
Lol just realised you slipped the cd into the printer. Legend 😂
I doubt this will get seen, but I’ve been struggling with Uniformation Technical support since receiving my GK2 that I ordered the week before Black Friday. I have yet to get anything to print. They sent me a new main board and ribbon cable, which basically required me to do everything in this video except the power output portion….only to then realize they sent me the wrong board and the ribbon cable is too wide.
I am sitting here with pieces of a printer scattered all over the room after hours of troubleshooting and disassembly. I gave up on FDM printers after realizing I was spending hours tinkering for every minute of successful printing. Now I guess resin is out if the industry darling turns to junk as soon as it hits my doorstep.😢.
Thanks for the great videos. I wish you luck and great success, but watching others enjoyment is hurting too much for me to continue.
I've got to thank you. I bought a gktwo based on your review and am now setting up my shop with print on demand. Thank you.
Fantastic! Hope you Enjoy it!
When I saw the title of your video, I thought to myself, well, get this upgrade next year. But then I watched the video and when I thought the 12k prints were the 8k prints because the details weren't crisp enough for my liking....let's just say that the 8k printer will stay an 8k printer. This just went to prove again that more isn't automatically better...at least for me.
I have a GK TWO on the way. Can't wait to try it!
Since it’s Christmas Time…. “Welcome to the party, pal..”
Having purchased this based on your recommendation and affiliate link to their website, i hope you continue to cover this product. A guide for noobs would be nice also
I will, I have more videos to do on it. in fact, I'm making one now.
I asked the same thing, can't wait to see it!
Interesting. While I guessed correctly, it was only because the 12k edges were overexposed (harder/more refined) and not actual model detail, at which point, I was also guessing it was more of a 'new' profile setting while adapting to the res bump. Honestly I'm quite happy with 8k (though fingers crossed, maybe this will ever so slightly lower the cost of the backup screen price point), but print primarily large format, where getting more detail on the model itself with a reasonable file size is the challenging bit.
Good review nonetheless!
I know you like to gush about these printers, but other than a heated vat which I don't benefit from, what makes this worth twice as much as a Saturn 12K that produces models that look as good? The difference between $200 and $400 may be digestible, but $500 to $850 (or $1050 if you want 12K) is a lot tougher to swallow. SpaceX makes better rockets than Estes, but you can't afford a SpaceX rocket. If you're doing production resin printing, you're probably better off using two Saturn 12K's than one GKTwo at the same speed. Honestly, if I were offered a free resin printer in the
well, this is more for the hobbyist user who wants to print his own models on it - but those perfectly so , which do no need too much adjustment
@@Chociewitka Still after that a Budget is a valid point to take since the Saturns produce very valid prints on a cheaper printer but ofc if you desire the heater inside tahts fine.
Very back and forth on getting the GK two
top job, was seriously considering the GKtwo as my next printer and was wondering what the 12k was like.
Thanks for the warning!
Good to know that the WIFI upgrade can be done independently.
Great information as always. Your channel has become a must watch for me!
Cheers, it was the smoothness that made my choice for rhs which was correct. I do like your review style, thanks, Cheers, Ian in Blackpool
My only reason for wanting this is I print some very tiny items for model builders. Chairs and benches in 1/200 scale, for example. The GK Two, currently does a great job with these. But at 12k, I was wondering if at that scale, with such minute detail, if I would see an improvement in quality. Specifically in the area of “strength”. When the wood slats on your chairs are that small… everything counts. I realize that’s probably well outside the scope of this review. But I’m still going to take your notes seriously to see if I can come to any additional conclusions.
I'm in the same boat and want to print very small. I feel like I could tell the difference in some of these side by sides. I think I will be trying the 12k myself and do some side by sides in person.
@@johnc1129if you do, please reply here and let me know how it turned out!!!
Great stuff as usual.
I just want a printer the size of a 13-inch or 15-inch screen with 19-micron pixels.
Cost-wise, I would prefer 13 inches :)
Amazing video! Please do more videos like this!!
Thank you! Will do! As soon as I get more hardware that is supposed to be an upgrade but isn't.
@@FauxHammer - The content was really good! And the editing was fantastic! I like this style vs the A1 video
Since you have that uv sensor now I think it would be interesting to see how the Saturn 3 Ultra reads since it's been the only acf machine so far that some how avoided that acf texture.
It hasn't I think i must have gotten ACF from the end of the roll or something as others have shows yoiu get the lines, where others have echoed what i got..
@@FauxHammer Ah, fair enough. Shame. I was hoping their fancy light system they were touting on that machine had helped.
I actually guessed wrong, but now that I know.. I DO think the 12k models look better despite all the stated reasons it shouldn't. Why? Because the 12k side looked a lot smoother to me overall, whereas the 8k side had a lot of .. not sure how to say it.. random texture that looked like oversharpening if it was a photograph. EDIT: Yep you cover that after that the 12k is just smoother.
Just ordered my GK2 Can’t wait.
Commenting to artificially inflate engagement… 😂 seriously though; sick video mate. I’m not going to try resin printing just yet as I’m just beginning my 3D printing journey but this is interesting 😊
my Saturn arrived (used your link during the black friday stream!), i really need to actually sit down, and learn the slicer programs and actually.....you know, print something.... Related to the vid: losing a bit of space for the "exploration" doesnt seem "to" bad i guess? but from your "side by side" comparison, im not sure its worth it, i for one cant really tell a diff between the two
I got it wrong. Pegged the 8k as 12k. But that could definitely be chopped down to the greater uniformity you mentioned. My printer just arrived in the mail today, and I'm quite excited. Especially excited that I don't have to be very tempted at all by the upgrade
Also, I can confirm that the wifi upgrade not only comes in the box, but the latest firmware is already installed and ready for use
I've got a epax X10 8kw. It's a excellent printer. It doesn't have a heater but I don't really need one.
We will get to the extent of our technology, much like buying higher-resolution TVs. Still, the Human eye can no longer distinguish a perceivable change in the picture quality. What would be more interesting is if an SLA could inject colours and cure them within the layers to become multi-coloured in prints. Then, calibrate the curing process to gloss and matt colours to streamline parts production.
To me, seems like 8K is the sweet spot.
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Very illuminating (no pun intended. No, really) video! I honestly thought the 12K prints were the ones on the left, so apparently the 12K upgrade isn't for me 🙃 Makes the choice simple, then: if I get a GKtwo, I'll leave it stock 👍
I'm putting the 8k screen back in mine.
@@FauxHammerhello I plan on printing very small prints, probably around 10 mm would you say the 12k screen would be a better use for small prints of that size?
Top tip, as Ross says do the firmware upgrade first, otherwise the screen will have a weird fit when you turn it on - even more fun, if you install the wifi firmware after the 12K screen firmware, it actually takes you back to 8K setting so again screwing up the screen - you'll see the machine complain about 'incorrect size' whenever you try to print a model - took me a while to work that puzzle out - basically if you have the 12k screen and wifi module, just the 12K firmware will sort out both (you wont need to do the extra wifi update that comes on the mini CD).
lol, it doesn't come on the Mini CD, that was windows and Mac drivers, I put the clip in as a joke...
yeah the new 12k firmware includes wifi, when i did this, it was a 12k firmware then a wifi patch.
@@FauxHammer The 12K screen +wifi adapter I bought from Uniformation came with a mini CD for Wifi installation with instructions to install it for info (turns out this only applies if you buy the wifi adapter seperately I think as it's designed for 8K (only worked that out from the file name as the instructions from Uniformation are pretty awful in general.)
Looking at their site, if you don’t own one yet, not seeing how to get the 12k as a straight up printer
I loved the GK one still have it and considering going back. Been plugging away with the Saturn 2.
I've been battling the printer to print those dam cones
Have you watched my how to print miniatures video? It’s got printers working perfect for everyone who’s used ut
I ordered this printer last night on amazon, will i still get the wife upgrade?
Would you choose the GKTwo or the Happygears ? i struggle with the decision
Great content!! When do you expect tests on Anycubic Mono M7 Pro and Phrozen Mighty Revo? Cheers !
Revo is done, being edited now.
M7 is being sent to me today
Why couldn't they make the Wifi work like other Chitu based printers where you can send and start printing directly from Chitubox?
Side note: Do they supply a '12K' sticker to replace the '8K' one next to the ribbon cable? Just wondering if it's just there for factory reference only, or?
Also: @13:27 the 12K screen has a 20% shorter life span (estimate) 😨
So... What is the ARCTAN of the 12K "Update"? (In a nutshell what is the pixel width?)
Whats Heych D?
Any suggestions for what labtop I need to run my uniformation .
This is pedantic but comments help you anyways right? The connecters are gold plated not brass :-)
only thing i see is a small nub on the 8k dwarf at the end of the hook on the 8k and its not there on the 12k
Probably a support mark or I snapped it
If Elegoo can do 18 micron square pixels, why can't all the others?
I'm going with the Saturn 3...im.not paying 900 for a printer..i..just getting started I bought a k1 and love it..but of coarse.i what a reseib printer
Saturn 3 is an absolute solid printer
you covinced me to buy one and after 5 weeks still not shipped :(
I'm sorry to hear that, I have no control over production or distribution, but I know they are super busy right now. please bare with them, it wil be worth it.
Yea i know. Its funny that companies do such sales and dont even have close to enough stock. I dont exspect it to ship before mid January.
No I didn't guess right .. 8k looks better but hardly ...
So I bought the gk two bundle, should I upgrade to 12k? I don't print big items so that shouldn't be a factor.
Even if the smaller build area on the 12K screen is OK for you, it then comes down to the slightly softer detail and/or slightly smoother surface finish with the 12K and the initial hassle to install the 12K firmware, tear down/install the 12K screen, and then screw-adjust the light strength potentiometer while using the UV light meter to test the screen UV light output. Other than the ongoing bonus of having a UV light meter to check your screen (for adjusting for the proper layer exposure times), personally I would just stick with the base 8K for the slightly sharper detail, especially since you can only see the surface difference under magnifying lens and if you plan to paint the model, that will then smooth out the original sharp detail of the 8K-produced model (and further smooth or blur the 12K-produced model).
Seems like Uniformation needs to upgrade the light source and perhaps use a fresnel lens (does the 8K have a fesnel lens already?). On the fence now about the GKTwo then since for my parts it's all about resolution and dimensional accuracy. Really was excited about the "12K" resolution capability, but not so much anymore. Thanks for the review!
most printers with 12k resolution are worse than equivalent sized 8k.
You asked: "does the 8K have a fesnel lens already?" - No, the GK2 8K and 12K use the same marginal, obsolete crappy multi-LED with plastic lenses array.
Printers like this unfortunately over-priced POS, using The "UV Grid Array" light-source will not have properly sharp prints, uniform UV distribution and not suffer that disgusting "UV LED grid array" artifacts, as well as the unacceptable lack of UV uniformity, leading to the need to overexpose to compensate for the many variations of different areas, like Ross FauxHammer himself discusses (and embarrasses himself by showing the sloppy results of his "favourite printer's best results with his own resin brand", for example, which is a shame because he could do much better, 😪).
Get any printer you want, but make sure it has a COB light-source with a Fresnel lens - some examples, at a reasonable price:
- Nova3D Whale3 series (any of them)
- Elegoo Saturn 3 or Saturn 3 Ultra
- Creality Halot Mage 8K (NOT the "Pro" version)
- etc.
If you want a great printer that is what the GK2 wanted to be and failed, and have the cash for it, get a HeyGears Reflex.
@@retromodernart4426
Have a Whale3 and I love it. The company needs to hire someone who is bilingual though. Language barrier is fustrating.
@@retromodernart4426gee I'm so embarrassed.
@Johnhinkey5336 prints in this are very sharp. COB lighting is good but it also has it's drawbacks. if you need dimensional accuracy that bad, please ignore the suggestions above and get a DLP printer.
The Saturn 3 and Ultra are both incredibly sharp MSLA printers, as is the Sonic Mini 8k.
The Whales USE cobb, but are so cheaply put together and the Creality machines deserve a Fine for their UI!
But honestly, you are splitting hairs, how exact do you need these prints to be? because, of every printer listed here... Your bigger issue, is finding a resin capable of rendering the accuracy you want. and having that resin also be practical and usable beyond just being looked at.
@@FauxHammer It's better that you not pretend that some sloppy shite you present is special, but when you do, don't expect not to get called out on it - and it's nothing personal it's just a fact, anyone can see your blurry "details" using your shite resin and "great" GK2 (which is reasonably good, except for that crappy light source after Uniformation fixed all the other things wrong with it when it first came out).
You admit loudly and repeatedly that you're more or less an ignoramus trying to learn and share (and trying to turn it into a good source of income), if your credibility is shot (by yourself) you won't be anything more than a fanboi guru if you're "lucky".
Be aware of concepts like "price/performance" ratios - if some printer(s) cost $300-$500 and printing results consistently _outperform_ a printer that costs >$750 (GK2), for someone who needs to print reliably and accurately and be able to actually get the most out of _quality_ resins, only a fool or a shill will buy/recommend the "expensive" but inferior one.
What kind of twit tells someone who's looking to spend up to approx. $1000 USD (or isn't getting free printers to "review") that "if you need dimensional accuracy that bad, please ignore the suggestions above and get a DLP printer.", when any DLP printer capable of producing reasonable functional accuracy will cost >$10,000 at "the low end"?
Surely 12k helps with anti aliasing?
It “should”, but to what degree? And what is the cost?
i diddnt know you speak Tagalog :)
Do I?
Is this a different version to the original?
sorry, audio fixes
Cool
Still waiting for my GK2 since 17th November 😢😢
UniFormation's page clearly states when they're delivering the printers purchased during Black Friday period.
Have a look at their site.
i lthought 2 on the right where better
I just can’t justify the $1700 for a GKTWO.
Yeah I’ve printed out several full armies with my old photon which would have cost way more than that if I had bought GW models but $1700 is a tonne of cash for a printer.
$1700!?! How is it that much?
@@FauxHammer Currency conversion takes it to about $1200. Then apparently shipping, import duties and profit margins push it up to AU$1700 from the local dealer for them.
I looked at Amazon instead to just import it myself and it came out to roughly the same anyway.
Its a shame they dont have a cheaper option, I can't afford 800ish bucks for a resin printer.
next one below this I'd recommend is the Elegoo Saturn 4 Ultra IMO, but has no heater
TL;DW (Too Long; Didn't Watch) version- 12K is crap and the makers are still faffing about with meaningless upgrades while ignoring QC, uniformity, and sending people stuff that "just works" (looking at you, Elegoo)
😂
I might be in the minority here but I feel like the text swooshing on screen as you speak feels like very tacky editing. I feel like I'm watching something made for people with 0 attention span. Outside of that I really appreciate your work and think these are quite informative.
Thanks.
Ok! I have criticized the overuse of paid b-roll. However I kinda like the text swooshing. Think this is one of his best videos.
Dude it’s a UA-cam video lol
You say that as if anyone watching UA-cam has some sort of attention span.
And who the fuck are you?
They are now into diminishing returns. I look at a 51 micron print and a 24 micron print and go, eh. The reality is no matter how dense they make the pixels you get light passing through the resin to the pixels around it anyways. Also as you increase the intensity of the light to get through the denser screen you get more light bleed. This problem can't be resolved without making each pixel it's own adjustable light source. IE one pixel can fire at 50% while the next fires at 75% to get smooth gradients etc. OLED resin printers anyone? 🙂 That's how my tiny brain self see's it anyways. I'm sure at some point some smart person will come out with a completely new methodology for high resolution 3d printing.
Thanks, Ross! My "Special Projects" secret, ultra-black money account is slowly growing to get my hands on the GKTwo. Don't get me wrong, I love my Mono X 6Ks, but the GKTwo is just too good with all of the add-in features that we should all be adding to our printers to begin with.
Thanks for this, I will be getting this printer after x-mas (and yes I will get it through your links xD)
Its great to see that it now has WiFi, but as someone moving from FDM on the original criality ender 3 to resin 8K i think will be more than enough of an upgrade for me :)
Thanks again for the content I really like your (very British) no BS reviews.
I don't understand the hype around this printer, but it has a couple of good features, it's a hinged lid and heated resin, but otherwise this printer is made very cheaply, it only has one rail and a thin screw rod like the cheapest small printers for 100 $, a plastic bathtub with plastic fasteners that often break and this bathtub also jams, we are told about the platform on which parts are printed that no resin will drip from it during removal, but look at its volume, it is gigantic, this means that all this volume will rise in the bathroom while printing and you can easily pour the resin, and most importantly, the price is at least twice as high as for printers from other brands with 12K resolution, and if you add to it the cost of Wi-Fi and the new 12K panel, then there’s absolutely a difference will be three times
I've been watching for a while but this video made me decide to join the channel though. You have a great series of videos.
Welcome aboard! and thanks so much for your support!
Yeah, I didn't bite on the 12k. When the prints look exactly like the StL model, there's no reason to try and squeeze for more detail when it's not even there to squeeze for, its silly and a gimmick. 8k was crossing the uncanny valley for prints.
Well, I did get it right, but it took some squinting at the screen. I can't image I'd be able to tell after painting or even before with my bare eyes. Not that I can afford either version, but I imagine I would stick with the 8k if I could.
The Wifi Firmware update, made my printer think it didn't have the 12k upgrade.
The website also didn't seem to show that there were two options for the wifi upgrade- only the single set of files.
I re-did the 12k upgrade Firmware, and now it appears that the wifi works.
Don't know if I even had to do the Wifi Firmware upgrade now- as I'm thinking it is possible the 12k firmware had the wifi upgrade in it all along?
The guide I had told me to do the 12k update first. I did what you did and it overwrote WiFi. Which is a patch on the current firmware
@@FauxHammer Very very odd
Don't use WiFi at home nor do I need 12k but I do need fauxhammer videos 🎉
Comment to encourage it to get to more people
I got my saturn 2 upgrade kit to 14k and i think the motherboard is the same as gk2 has 🤔
What, you can set up your WiFi-enabled GKTwo as a network file location and freely move files back and forth to it from your PC? Elegoo are you listening? Elegoo won't let you do this on the Mars 4 Ultra . . .
Yep, you can do exactly that!
@@FauxHammer This capability alone makes me far more likely to buy the GKTwo!
Hey thanks very much for the info, I had ordered one (Upgrade 12k screen) thinking it would even be better, had to refund after this xD.
What is name of that electric screwdriver you are using?
Well if I helped you make a better choice for you, I’m happy.
I don’t think it has a name, just the cheapest I could get on Amazon. It’s a bit crap and weak, but sometimes handy
hmm, using gloves to disassemble and install? suggest not using gloves.
Many if the parts had resin on, I thought this the best approach.
That screen being $200.00 is beyond disgusting. The profit margin must be insane!
The profit margin on that WiFi module is pretty bad also can be bought for 7.00 on Amazon. The screen is par for the course.
I did guess wrong, and had assumed the right was the 8K. I chose that way because I could see the slightly smoother surface, and the way you were speaking led me to believe there was going to be a huge BUT coming. That the tiny lines or artifacting I thought I was seeing on the left was the 12K and this was what you were going to point out and query if it was worth it if that was happening.
These two videos have been tremendously interesting though. To date, I've only done FDM printing. All I want at present are some cool Stargate spaceship models, and layer lines don't bother me for that. So printing them at fine quality on FDM comes out good enough for what I'm after. But you have got me considering one of these if I do get to the end of my current list and start thinking of printing things with even more detail.
Til now, I've avoided resin printing as I'm not the best at the maintenance stuff. And the toxic nature of the resin makes me worried I won't be tidy enough to keep myself fully safe. But the quality of life features on this printer definitely impressed me. Making it look like a very good place to try and get into that facet of the hobby. If someone were to do so, do you think the full kit is a wise way to go about it? Or are 3rd party cleaning and curing solutions better, despite the quality of the printer itself?
If I do grab one, it won't be for a while yet as the X1C kind of demolished my banked up cash reserve for the moment. So It'll be a good few months before I can afford all the bits and pieces needed to properly and safely explore this side of things. But your videos have gone a long way to convincing me that it could be worth the extra little bit of hassle I perceive to be involved compared to the now familiar FDM requirements.
Great video, really worth watching start to finish.
Thanks for the info Ross.
I couldnt tell the difference and still cant even pausing and really looking at them.
Think Ill wait for 16k
Thank you very much for your great video Ross 👍 One question: Do you still use an exposer time of 0.75 sec. with the Phrozen 8k Resin?
I use Wargamer resin now.
Thank you for your reply, Ross. What exposer time do you use and where can I get the resin?
@@uwegraf8013 the link for Wargamer is in most if not all of my video descriptions. But I think it’s about 2.2s on most printers and 1.7 on the GKTwo.
A lot if factors come into it but please see my video on printer setup for more info “how to print miniatures” that will get you what you need.
What about the new Elegoo Saturn 4 Ultra? is it still worth considering the price and features of the new Elegoo?
I'm Editing my review this week for that one.
@@FauxHammer waiting for it, cause I'm still super attracted by GK Two despite the reviews I've seen around for the Saturn 4 Ultra and have to make some decisions!
@@riccardoceppari6081 it’s still my preferred printer, but it’s I’ll admit, the Saturn 4 has features I’d miss on the GKTwo.
Honestly 34-28 um is what the industry should adopt as the standard (until significant technological advancement has been made). They should also switch to focusing on improving QoL for printers instead. The GKtwo proves that people will pay for QoL features.
Here's the short list of what I want/think consumers want:
1. Heater.
2. Screen protector included.
3. No screw build plate housing (or a build plate that connects to the printer like the gktwo)
4. auto leveling and force detection (to avoid damage to the screen)
5. wifi - to transfer files to the printer and to start prints.
6. Resin pump. So we never have to worry about running out mid print.
7. resin mixing built into the vat. I can think of a few ways to implement this most notable using the same tech as the resin pump.
8. built in flex plate.
9. Slicer built into the printer (allowing stl -> 3d print).
10.(most important and easiest to implement) HATCH STYLE DOORS. Dont make me lift a giant plastic barrel to access my print.
I felt it was easy to tell which one was the 12k prints and it got me because they looked "lighter" or more blown out. This printer is on my list to get I got in a elegoo Saturn Ultra 3 and this is coming in soon as well.
I was excited about the 12k knowing its not true 12k but now I have to think about it more, due to the fact that its so minimal.. wondering if the benefits of cleaner prints translates to better painting?
Really interested in resin printing but no idea what I would do about ventilation other than printing in the backyard in the middle of winter.
that is the only option for many people