It is very difficult to be objective and neutral when it comes to Indian history and civilization. The comments is a prime example. It feel that most western scholars and historians have not quite understood the complexities or nuances of Indian culture or history but on the other hand many in India appear to be too eager to come to the conclusion that ancient Indian civilization was something so great that they are willing to sacrifice objectivity and reason to reach that conclusion. That may be from an insecurity in coming to terms with the not so glorious recent past. In any case the result is that the world had not been able to appreciate the real achievements of the Vedic or Indic civilization
god if only we knew how to decipher the indus valley language. i feel like being able to read that would paint a much clearer picture of what beliefs came from india and which came from central asia
He commits every sin he accuse frawley of, he presents no evidence until much later, he poisons the well by making accusations regarding motive. While frawley is pointing motives of colonialists which are not in question considering as they literally propagated the idea of white man's burden, he one accuse frwaley of being a Hindu supremacist without evidence and completely acquits western academia of Racism which is again laughable notion if you are even remotely aware of the writing produced in western universities in the field of "indology". He shows no quote where Frawley claims other people are inferior. He then misunderstands a point of Frawley by stating that applying western model of understanding to Indian texts is valid. This is a supremacist view point if there ever was one, every language and culture has it's own model and writing style by interpreting a people's writing through a different cultures yardstick the resulting understanding would be flawed. So I am sorry to say in your biased thinking you have completely missed the point he was raising. His point was western scholars interpret Indian texts through a western cultural lense rather than through an Indian cultural lense which is whom those texts were written for. Let me give you an example to make it simple, it would be like an Indian watching a westerner call his parents by their name and then make the assertion western culture is immoral and decrepit because there children disrespect their parents by calling them by their name. In India calling your parents by their name would be a gross insult but no so in the west. I hope that example helps you understand the point better. He also conveniently omit the part where there is no physical evidence for this alleged precursor language of the so called Indo-European language tree... Second you say Indo-European language theory has come under no "serious" challenge... this statement again ignores the reality that most academia is dominated by Westerners and by leftists who are ideological committed to these theories and in propagating narrative of white supremacy and oppression etc. Additionally if similarities between languages Indian language and another language means that they are the result of common ancestry then can you please he explain how Korean and Tamil both have so many similarities. Even the word for mother is the same. Tamil people look nothing like Koreans and are South Indian. Why is there no theory of Indo-Korean language tree? Or Indo-Korean people? Completely giving a pass to colonial origins of these theories which have almost no evidence backing them is the equivalent of giving a pass to Nazi race theories. Incidentally colonialists ended more lives than Nazis but since the skin color of the dead was different colonialists are not considered as bad as Nazis by westerners.
Vedas are an attempt to decipher the pre-flood world by a post-flood civilization. But the Puranas are our Itihaasas/history. The flood happened 15k bp during the younger dryas event according to star positions in Manu's story. After the flood, There were the snakes/nagas & there were the eagles/gaduras who although shared same paternal ancestry were the dasas(slaves) of the Nagas. Then they revolted and conquered the four directions (even upto eastern euro) with their 2 headed eagle emblem which became the emblem of Sri Vishnu who was the patron lord of the snakes and their ancestor. Which is why you find that emblem from Egypt to sumer, iran to euro. Many North Indian people like the Jats claim Naga lineage, while the south Indian kingdoms have the gandabarunda, two headed eagle emblem. They have a broad-er nose base meeting into a sharp and low beak like end and close-r set eyes like a bird of prey. Now you know why the euros who stumbled on it in India did everything to hide/distort it
I had some interesting information about it as an interview of person from India. He had very different approach in deciphering it. What he said about it is definitely a possibility considering the Indian culture and traditions. I'll share if I am able locate it.
Short answer: No Long answer: Yes and no. Civilization started in different places on their own. Civilization started in India the same way it started in Mesopotamia, Egypt, Mesoamerica, the Andes, or the Yellow and Yangtze Rivers (plus other small regions where civilizations of smaller size appeared). To point to a single place and say that civilization started there would be a *very* erroneous thing to do.
I think he referring to ancient history where one group excelled in recording things in writing and hence complex lifestyle emerged like trade, wars, politics etc. Humans were in every part of world around 15000 BCE (which we have evidence of from archaeological discoveries) it can go back to 20000 BCE years. But when it comes to recorded history, it only started when sumerians gave us the cuneiform. And phoenician the alphabets. Indo European languages. It doesn't matter how advanced were the civilisation. If they had poor documentation capacity which the Egyptians and sumerians excelled at. While IVC had complex societies living even larger than any civilisation at the time. It still was a large settlement and not a proper kingdom until the Chariot riding steppe people called "aryan" came. Which gave us the vedas and they were 1st orally transmitted for years before they were written into manuscripts. The Spitzer Manuscript is the oldest surviving philosophical manuscript in Sanskrit,and possibly the oldest Sanskrit manuscript of any type related to Buddhism and Hinduism discovered so far. The calibrated age by Carbon-14 technique is 130 CE (80-230 CE). So documentation came thousands of years late to Indian subcontinent and most of them a source from other civilisations. In that terms the African and middle Eastern civilisations were more advanced. In warfare and governance too.
From where the people like Sumerians and Assyrians come? According to the Historians History of The World, they came from India, and that view was supported by the Curator of the British Museum in the 1930s.
It's utterly ridiculous to me that our model of history proposes that agriculture was invented independently on almost every continent over the last 10,000 years. We can simultaneously believe that humans have been "biologically identical" for the last 300,000. No changes in our biology, but for some reason, we collectively decide to settle down and make "civilisations" in the final 3 percent of our know history as biological humans? We're missing most of the picture
@@PriceyTomato and u somehow completely neglected the fact that except stone, everything rots in the humid weather in India including manuscripts. So maybe the weather of the region has something to do with the missing manuscripts, add to that the fact the Muslim invaders burnt the library of Nalanda and other important libraries of the past so a lot of useful knowledge regarding IVC or indic civilization must have been lost. Your argument centers around "hey we don't know much about earliest Indian civilization, they couldn't have been that advanced even if they developed the first drainage and public sanitation systems in the world"
If you read old testament it will tell you civilization began in Canaan. Every nations formative myths claim that the gods blessed the nation's people with land and civilization. And then they tried to fit all their neighbors into a framework that centered around them. India is no exception .
@@ArrowBast Nope, Old Testament has it that Civilisation began in Mesopotamia, so it agrees with scholarly consensus on that issue because if you read the book of Genesis, it says clearly that the Garden of Eden was watered by the rivers of Tigris and Euphrates, neither of which currently flow through Canaan but Mesopotamia. If you are an atheist attempting to say that all religions/religious texts are nonsense, that is your call but nowhere does it say in the book of Genesis that Garden of Eden where Adam and Eve were created was in Canaan, that is a strawman argument, so just clarifying that point for you.
@@carolusmalleus1243 The garden of Eden state is not a civilization - its before that. A state of bliss without the sinful nature of civilization - aka unfair trading practices, weights and measures, conceit , deceit , trickery and treachery. Humans were probably hunter gatherers and subsistence gardeners who lived off what God provided . I will agree that the best fit for Garden of Eden is somewhere in lower Iraq and Iranian Khuzistan . But you cannot deny that the Book of genesis tries to fit all humans as somehow descended from Noah , but on occasion some are attributed to descend from Adam . And then again you have some text that claims all are descended from 12 tribes of israel ( which is part of Canaan) . So the Book of Genesis is actually everywhere on this subject. Other religious texts are no different in attributing all humans originating within a self referential framework and describe themselves as the purest and the other folks as degraded ones owing to some violation of laws , oaths , taboos.
@@techsa2675 To your seemingly harmless rhetoric likely filled with hate, mockery and contempt in the background, I would say - of course, how can I not know my Bible well?. I read it everyday and I love my Jesus more than life!
Let me help explain, lot of text in India is based on local dialects, not everything has come out of Sanskrit and Vedas are not alone source of truth. Sanskrit was one of the most sophisticated version of languages used then. There are lot of diverse dialect in Indian sub continent and origins of that are still to debate and not clear. History has been biased on cultures and predominance. Things should not be viewed as a country here, rather how cultures evolved with time in a particular region. Though texts have revealed that science, medicines, architecture and trade were more prominent in this region and had their own forms prior to imperialistic invasions and were not properly propagated to help west agenda to systematically showcase supremacy . This caused a huge damage and loss of knowledge and further enhancements on these skills.
Rg veda may be the first knon written book of knoledge. But pure knoledge existed long before this book. Original knoledge is distorted and deviated in this book... So Rg veda can't be considered as true veda. People ignore this truth . K. P. Michael.
@@michaelkp5390 on what basis do you say that Rg Veda is NOT a true veda? Also, you are correct that the knowledge of truth already existed. Actually that's the thing where you people make a mistake. As we are taught in Hinduism that Ved Vyasa only COMPILED & SEGREGATED the Vedas and not author them. That's a huge difference. It were the different male and female Rishis who got the knowledge and contributed to this event of noting it down.
@@michaelkp5390 thing is vedas and other scripture before bring in written form were being passing through stories and narration I.e. vocal ways... Not in written form. It was latter complied by saints...
@@omthakkar7801 You may be right. There was a controversy around the time the Vedic knowledge was committed to paper by those who maintained this knowledge orally - or the Srauta traditionalists. They felt that committing it to paper would - to use a modern metaphor - expose their knowledge to copyright infringement. They preferred to carry the knowledge with them orally.
@@krishnanunnimadathil8142 More likely it was written down but due to the Indian climate and age, the books became fragile and fell apart making the ancients realize that an oral tradition should survive.
The anti-intellectual movement in India is gaining strength and pseudo-historians are louder than actual historians and archeologists in this country. I really wish to thank you for your work of sticking to facts and good research and not leaning into flights of fancy or self-congratulating lies that our dear pseudo historians make. I hope more of my countrymen watch your videos with an open mind, and realize that no matter how comforting pseudoscience is, it's not worth paying attention to. Also that major publishing houses stop calling unqualified and untrained people "historians".
Yours is a very uneducated comment and surely proves that you are a champion anti-intellectual and pseudo-historian. And the heart sign from 'World of Antiquity' certifies that he is no better.
Well we studied aryan invasion theory in cbse history book in late 2000s..still the whole Dravidian politics in India moves around that North Indian invaded India around 1500BC and pushed the Dravidian people to south who are presently South Indian people which is utter bullshit. So yes, Islamo-communist historians did propogate Brit’s divide and rule history to further their political agenda
Thank you for this video. Here in India, it is difficult to form a rational opinion about these things. After Independence (may be even before), there has been a big push for Indian traditionalistic views. IMO, a lot of over-correction has occurred in our minds and it is difficult to disentangle fact from fiction. First video of yours I am watching, and I like the structured way of your response. Keep up the great work.
The person behind this channel is certainly a White Supremacy apologist. he can't accept the fact that the type of History on which whole Academia of Western Scholarship is based upon is being Challenged and their lies are being exposed. Come out of you "whatever the west say is Best" thought process.
He is talking bs India is the first civilization because we are in India not because we are superior because of geography and fertile land and resources and We are at the centre of the ancient world
15:25 actually what he said is right to understand that one must look from British point of view. Starting from Thomas Babington Macaulays point of view of changing Indian education and similarly boosting divide and rule and till this day that thing has not changed in India and rest of world. Why we still study North up-ward and south downward...
@@spacescout1457 there’s more genetic diversity in India than any other place other than Africa where humans came into existence (though this might not be true anymore with the recent colonialism)
He's probably using "Marxist" as a general (pejorative) term for people that ascribe to the view popularized by Marija Gimbutas that the Kurgan /PIEs were a violent patriarchal culture that invaded or subordinated what were peaceful, egalitarian cultures. My understanding is that this view was embraced by some Marxists because it lined up well with their ideological beliefs about the state of nature and ideal classles societies. Of course this "Marxist" viewpoint doesn't have to be remotely true for the migration theory to be true, so it comes across as invoking guilt be association.
@@WorldofAntiquity I think that by Marxist he specifically means historians like Thapar, D. N Jha and S Irfan Habib The Indian Marxist movement had Heavy links with the pan Islamic movement of the late 1910s , they were never true Marxists ,in the sense that they were not atheists/religiously neutral but only wanted to ensure Russian support for the ottomans For example one of the earliest of these pseudo Marxists, Maulana Hasrat Mohani justified killing infidels as jihad in the moplah massacre (Gandhi supported such attrocities ) The(pseudo) Marxist movement in India never grew out of its Islamist roots , some of these people were active players in the partition of India And when individuals with such minsters were appointed as historians and history curriculum guides , they started to mess things up To justify Islamic iconoclasm they latched on to the Aryan invasion hypothesis, you of course mentioned in the video that the Aryan invasion hypothesis is discarded, rather there was coexistence , the reason this theory gained traction in the first place as I've learnt from reading "the mythical massacre at mohenjodaro "by George F Dales is that historians are obsessed with flashy climatic endings, in this case they made up theories of violence where there wasn't any violence These historians also used quasi mythological texts like divyadana and rajtarangini and non contemporary texts like huen tsang to propagate myths of Hindu - Buddhist violence in ancient India, Completely ignoring contemporary archaeological evidence and contemporary writers like song yun and dharmaswamin, who unlike huen tsang didn't write hearsay accounts (Huen tsang wrote hearsay accounts of sashanka and mihirakula persecuting Buddhists while song yun actually visited mihirakula, Huen tsang wrote that Mihirakula was a shaivite, this account is used by historians like Jha to prove that Hindus killed Buddhists, but Song yun wrote that Mihirkula was an atheist ) You take a look at modern india you'll get an idea of what I'm talking about , the situation is horrible, liberals would wish merry Christmas to Christians and Eid Mubarak to Muslims, but post obscene remarks and pictures especially of Hindu goddesses, a far left group even distributed pamphlets calling Durga a prostitute,then there's a right wing response to it equally abhorrent, screaming slogans of Hindu Gods in front of Muslim processions ，something similar occurs in historiography the rule of Delhi sultanate and the Mughal empire is glorified, while fake accounts are used to throw mud at ancient Indian history , in reaction to this there's people like David Frawley who're absolutely moronic as well What I mean to say is Indian historiography is stuck in a deadlock between right wing morons who believe that there was internet in Mahabharata era, and anti Hindu Islamists masquerading as communists,
@@SaintMeeksDontevERgetup You know more about the political situation that I do, but of the three scholars you mention, only Habib is a Marxist historian and identifies as a Marxist. Romila Thapar was instrumental in the dismantling of the Aryan Invasion Theory. Your other accusations, such as that "these historians also used quasi mythological texts" carry no names, so I have no idea who you are referring to, but I get the impression you are lumping everyone together.
@@WorldofAntiquity romila thapar said the yudhister of mahabharat left his throne by inspiring from ashoka. timeline doesn't match . how is this possible?
39.26 it’s claimed by the narrator that Rig Veda has many non sanskritic names of plants, animals and rivers. As far As I know river names and mountains are most resistant to changes even after a new population and language takes over. I would like to know which pre sanskritic names of geographical features like rivers, mountains are mentioned in Rig Veda. Could the narrator also mention some pre sanskrtic names of the dasas as mentioned in Rigveda?
Hi Birupaksha. From what I understand, place names ending in -wari or-wali or -musa are not Sanskrit. Foreign tribes such as Kikata and Pramaganda are not Aryan. There are also a number of presanskritic farming words (tilvila, phala, pippala, khala, langala). More information can be found in this article, pp. 21-27. www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/EJVS-7-3.pdf
@@WorldofAntiquity These names you mentioned most likely are the eastern Munda languages where as Sanskrit or proto-Sanskrit originated in the kashmir and Indus region. You also see Dravidian language family in south. and Tibeto Burman language family was also there in far north and north east areas mainly in Himalayas and the foot himalayan areas. This argument is no good for India where as stated above, four language families co-existed. But there are NO non-Sanskrit words in the Indus Valley region or Saraswati Valley region or western Ganga/Yamuna valley. This goes against the argument that Sanskrit arrived and replaced local languages where as nothings non-sanskrit exists in the Sanskrit area.
@@myquantumstate2668 How do you know where these names come from? I would like to see the linguistic evidence. We know of more than 500 languages that have gone extinct in the world. There were probably many more that we don't even know of. Just because a language is no longer spoken in an area, that doesn't mean no other language was ever spoken there. Languages get stamped out all the time.
@@WorldofAntiquity The loose argument of that many languages could have existed does not prove it. Thanks for making that point for yourself. The word Kikata come from far east and is the old name of Magadha, which was in present day Bihar state and usually identified with South Bihar. The Sanskrit or Rigvedic area is the Indus, kashmir and western Yamuna/Ganga Valley as I stated in my comment. The name Parmagandha is the king of Kikatas, whose name is connected with Magadha = Pra-maganda As stated in my original comment. The Sanskrit or proto-sanskrit area of Indus & Saraswati Valley region has NO non-sanskrit names for rivers or animals etc. I will give you the benefit of doubt as you just referred Witzel without confirming it first.
World of Antiquity and Pramaganda is not Sanskrit really? It is the name of king of kikatas which is another tribe. Only because the kikatas were fighting Sudhas so that make them non-Aryans as per Witzel. Well this seems like a scholarly work. Since when Arya is a race. The tribe already have names such as Sudhas, Purus, Anus, Drihyus and Kikata are also same like them. Just because Sudhas are more Noble men it doesn’t mean that their race is now “Noble” Arya is not a race. This is the biggest flaw in this whole thing to start with. About the other words Phala = profit or reward or fruit Pippala = pippal tree it’s 100m away from my house. Tilvila = fertile How come these are non-Sanskrit. I understand why Witzel has such a bad reputation among Indian scholars. We should give him a Noble prize and Witzel will call it “Arya” prize and may reject it because he is not aryan race. I am just using Witzel’s logic though. 😅😁
@sayem Why don't you first start dispelling misinformation which is being given in your madarsas? Oh I forgot madarsa chaap graduates like you are not supposed to discuss logic and evidence. First go and stop the radicalisation being done in your community and then try to educate others. And also try to read history out of your holy book where you have got brainwashed from.
Just because a racist says “Group X never invented anything,” doesn’t mean Group X invented everything. (Basically, I’m commenting for the channel’s algorithm.)
@@ravenxrgaming4672 True, but irrelevant to the comment. The European historians of the past that Frawley refers to were motivated by racism to deny the possibility of technological and cultural advancement among the peoples of India. Ie saying India never invented anything. Frawley and people like him are now arguing that all civilization came from India. Ie India invented everything.
I appreciate your patience in going through a responding most of these comments. It takes a dedicated amount of effort to sit down and rigorously engage with pseudo-science/history.
@@GEOARKADIA Please provide any source if you think their narrative is false or pseudoscience. I am an Indian and Sanskrit being completely indigenous is wrong. There is a mother language Proto Indo Iranian which gave birth to Vedic Sanskrit in India and Avestan in Persia. Your claim of sanskrit being indigenous doesn't explain how persian and indian languages are similar.
@@user-xn2hc5it8q the area which is called Satpsindhu Himalayas is the place from where indigenous Sanskrit originated. The Parisian area is attached to it so it's very natural that language and content of Jindavesta and Rigveda shares some similarities as they both shares the same or adjacent Historical area from where's they both originated. So in overall the proto indo Iranian language was indigenous and so is the case in Sanskrit and Parisian languages separately , both are indigenous languages more or less getting affected by each-other and other different languages in the course of history.
Hi Y'all this link debunks with details Aryan invasion theory and shows a pro Out of India theory ua-cam.com/video/RGyjvyXEKdc/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/1bsyi4zYHP0/v-deo.html
I have a this discussion quite frequently with religious Hindus in India and they lean towards the conception of the Vedas as eternal, that Aryan Invasion Theory is debunked. And that Dravidians are not a real thing. Despite me believing in Vishnu, I don’t deny Aryan Migration theory which I considered different to the Aryan Invasion theory. I also don’t deny the evidence of linguistics, history, archeology, or comparative religion. I believe in seeking truth, as opposed to accepting things on the basis of a guru, authority or particular academic. I study the writings and decide based on critical thinking and experience.
The religious beliefs of Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and Sikhism respectively have to an extent a root in the religious traditions of the Indo-Aryans who migrated from Central Asia into South Asia through the Khyber Pass in the Hindu Kush mountains within Afghanistan and Pakistan respectively and would first establish the Gandhara grave culture and would also later intermingle with native cultures of South Asia and ultimately give rise to the Indian or "Dharmic" religions I just mentioned previously but they still retain some elements of the ancient religious beliefs of the Indo-Aryans.
Exactly it's so nice and refreshing to see a Indian specially a Hindu that I've come across who is talking logically. No offense to all hindus obv, I'm just talking about pro hindutva ultra nationalistic ones who will declare there fellow Indians as "desh drohi" if they deny BJP induced viewpoints or ideological propaganda narratives.
Love history. Your channel is an excellent source. I have a class each month where I let the students pick what topic they want to learn about. Your videos are on the list of acceptable topics. Keep up the good work!
The students will learn government lies from this guy lol. He denies the water erosion at the sphinx and pretends there's no way ancient people used advanced tech to build shit we can't, because "The books say so". Don't be a follower, think for yourself and ask.
@@WorldofAntiquity because aryan was not an race . Where is the proof to claim it was one ? Arya in Sanskrit means noble personality . It was basically used to address a highly ethical person or one that has some stature in society .
@@WorldofAntiquity you should check on some of the valid researchers work rather then a religious person like David . I would suggest you look up for modern research like Nilesh oak , who do muti -level study . Like astrological , astronomical, archeological and scriptural evidence is looked up for before putting forward his work
I was always interested in Oppenheimer quoting ancient Sanskrit relating it to the invention and use of the atom bomb that he was involved in. Are you able to talk about these texts....how old they really are and the translated meaning. Is there anything to what he was quoting or is it just a point he was trying to make/get across about how dangerous these weapons are?
@@WorldofAntiquity FYI As he witnessed the first detonation of a nuclear weapon on July 16, 1945, a piece of Hindu scripture ran through the mind of Robert Oppenheimer: “Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds”. It is, perhaps, the most well-known line from the Bhagavad-Gita, but also the most misunderstood."
These weapons were nuclear weapons because the ancient Indians documented nuclear fallouts and radiation. Similar to what has happened in our recent nuclear history.
Mohenjo daro an irradiated ruin with ground turned into glass intense heat etc etc ancient nuclear wars mainstream academia does everything it can to hide
I have one comment about the migration map you show at 16-17 min. In the paper it says path taken to migrate into India is not clear. Why? - We are already told that "Sarasvati has also been identified with the Helmand or Haraxvati river in southern Afghanistan, the name of which may have been reused in its Sanskrit form as the name of the Ghaggar-Hakra river, after the Vedic tribes moved to the Punjab. To be consistent is not necessary to provide Genetic evidence along the same path. Or it is ok to say linguistic migrations happen thru Afghanistan and Genetic migration happened thru SWAT valley. Linguists claim that the word like Bija(seed) is picked up in BMAC complex by migrating Aryans. No genetic evidence in BMAC that they passed thru it? (Paper says migrations bypassed it). And once Aryans reached India, Indians started to use farming related substrate Aryan words by abandoning earlier words? Which model explains this?
Linguistic and genetic movement are not identical in most cases. People learn languages that are different from what they may consider their ethnic original language all of the time.
@@404Dannyboy I did not get what do you mean. it may happen does not mean it has happened. The whole premises is IE language was introduced in India thru large scale population movement into India. That is the reason- Earliest Indian texts are dated to match the movement of people. If you are proposing IVC people learnt new language (for trade may be) on their own - then at least dating of Vedic texts has to be adjusted accordingly. And researchers acknowledge there is no concrete proof yet. Here is quote from Vagheesh M. Narasimhan paper additional material - Modern Indian Cline is a mixture between a point on the Indus Periphery Cline (the ASI) and a ghost population that once existed on the Steppe Cline, which we haven’t directly sampled but which we hypothesize existed in the Late Bronze Age and Iron Age in northwestern South Asia (but not in the Swat Valley which is the only place that we have extensively sampled). We predict that individuals from this population will be found in future ancient DNA studies.
@@404Dannyboy Individual persons might learn primarily due to curiosity and secondarily due to their job. However, most common people don't learn new languages or adopt new words unless circumstances force/encourage them to.
There are many theories regarding the collapse of the IVC. I recently read about one of them. It said that the civilisation was dependant on another river apart from Indus which was rain fed and it dried up because of a gradual change in rainfall patterns. In other words, climate change was blamed to be responsible for the slow death of the big urban centres of the IVC. It said that no evidence has been found regarding a large scale military invasion around 2000-1500 BCE. Also to account for the extremely mixed genetic makeup of modern Indians, it said that that was probably the result of more peaceful mixing of cultures and migrations from West and Central Asia due to the IVC's mercantile culture. It is quite plausible as there have been several instances of migrations from those parts even during peace times for thousands of years after that. Persians, Greeks, Scythians, Kushans, Huns, Arabs, Turks, Mongols. Even the Ahom kings, who ruled most of northeastern India had their origins in southern China. So even though no evidence has been found to support the AIT, it is still a bit rich to assume that the Indian civilization is pure and has had no outside influence.
No outside influence!!!!???? Really!!!! India is the most culturally mixed Culture on earth. I mean not by modern time. There are some major cultural branch Austronoid, Dravidian, Vedic, Santhalese, various hill tribes, Different eastern indian culture. This region was historically rich & very fertile. So many many invasion & migration throughout history from Aryan Greeks muslims central asian to latest european.
@@rjrastapopoulos1595 Yes the last one. Pure & no outside influence!! If you come to contact with another culture specially ruling class, there will be huge influence. See British influence in India.
17:43 You would've known that it was an Indian archeological team that FOUND THE EVIDENCE which was credited to British archeologist. European didn't sought it out.
@@WorldofAntiquity you know india is weird all indians are not Hindus and they hate Hindus that much that they can change their fathers rather than accepting what's truth
@@WorldofAntiquity bro why is it so hard to find the actual truth sitting here in india 😥how do i know what is the truth of aryan migration i dont mind whether it happened or not considering how much we have mixed even during colonial period and after world war globalization we r all one family. also btw isnt it possible that the cities in both sumeria and indus valley be older than what they really are. like they have been rebuilded over time and artifacts were broken since its clay? since egypt sumer and indus valley have almost same range of carbon dating almost between 5000-5700 years old and have neolithic site as old as 10000 years (except egypt maybe we may discover some after) isnt it possible that someone among the 3 started with small settlement and neolithic people in other 2 places adopted these things in few years maybe like 100 years or so and then they gradually growing sharing technology with each other.
@@sonups8483 ceux du ciel descendu vers la terre ont aidé l'humanité à plusieurs endroits ! Toutes les civilisations antiques parlent des même ""dieux "" qui n'en sont pas! En vérité !
"A single polity is what spreads languages!" (Laughs in Koine) It's interesting that there were parallel developments in India and Greece in both archaic and classical periods: in both cases, you have city states with various subcultures united by a common cultural and economic network, worshiping the same Gods to different capacities, speaking the same language.
So the same people ruling both societies ... Buddha was a fair hair and skin blue eyed prince of a nobility sharing those features 2500 years ago despite the popularized versions of relatively recent times... just as the Greeks were of the same fair physical makeup
@@philipthomas3938 Bs, no where in indian, Chinese etc texts say he was blue eyed or blonde. How shameless you have to be to lay claim on someone's else culture as yours. Typical white supremacists.
@@rahulpaturkar1425 how? were they using the most powerful binoculars ever invented?.... Indians were building cities as far back as 3500 years even this biased youtuber doesnt dispute that but you cant accept it why? Hate Hinduism that much or hate all of India?
Yeah who rules has no effect on the spread of language.. tell me again why English is the most spoken language in the world?... it has nothing to do with British being most successful colonial power? How many people today speak Welsh or even Scottish... I get that you are biased and want to reject everything frawley says but really some using commonsense would be good...
40:45 Not to say I agree with his argument, but I do have to point out that creating languages has become a hobby and source of gainful employment in the modern era. I don't think I'll ever get paid for it, but I've been working at constructing a language intermittently for a few years now, pretty much just because I feel like it.
@@WorldofAntiquity articles from The hindu,pathetic article by kai friese of India today,scroll.in I had already read the idiotic article of kai friese I don't trust politically motivated leftist medias
You are very hard on Dravid Frawley. Please go through the out of India theory based on linguistics and archaeology. Rig Veda is oldest book of not Hindu but for the world also.
Glad to see all your videos adhering to the scientific method. I am an applied mathematician from India and I love history, but it is saddening to see pseudo-rationalist ideas spread. At least someone's there to question them! Thanks for your videos.
As someone who studied linguistics, even just as an undergrad, the way Frawley talks about languages is full of value judgements, e.g. Sanskrit is "more sophisticated" than European languages, that no academic linguist would make. Oh, and if by "more sophisticated", he means that it has more complex inflectional morphology than most European languages, then I would like to introduce him to the modern, non-Indo-European languages of Finnish, Estonian, Hungarian and Basque, all of which are "more sophisticated" than Sanskrit by that measure.
First, its not Sanskrit , its samskrtam. Next, Do you have any knowledge about samskrtam? If so tell me in what way the above languages are more sophisticated than samskrtam?
@@soorajvasu2714 um, they explained what they meant clearly, in that the languages they listed were more sophisticated, meaning having a more complex morphology, than Sanskrit. Oh, sorry, samskrtam... 🙄
the indo-European languages and the cultures that spoke them created civilizations that were more sophisticated, more successful, and more widespread than the other languages you mentioned. these are just facts, and in no way am I implying anything but that they are different. or that these differences were always this way in the past or will be in the future. I'm also not sure if civilization was started in one place and spread out, or sprang up independently in various places at various times. but the Indian civilization was one of the greatest, first or otherwise. I have a feeling that civilization, or at least human developments to lead to civilizations will be found to be much older than I was taught at the end of the 20th century. there are songs that sing of ancient times, when bread was first invented, back in the early sumerian times.
@@MaryAnnNytowl Sanskrit has the most well defined grammar and the most wide variety of words. Do not compare some Euro languages as similar to Sanskrit. Cope. Mud House Dwellers.
@@chickenslayer2119 well, "Chicken Slayer," I don't know what to tell you other than the definition of "well-defined" doesn't really come into play with language. _Things_ can be well-defined, _people_ can be well-defined, _places_ can be well-defined, but a language? Not really. It's not a _definable_ noun, except for the definition of the word language, itself, as basically being a verbal or written tool one uses to communicate ideas and concepts.
Really love your channel! Your knowledge is extensive, your style is entertaining, and your editing skills are impeccable. All combining to produce extremely consumable content! Thanks bud, keep up the hard work as your channel is destined to blow up!
@@WorldofAntiquity Thanks for making video on this topic🙂. Can you talk about the fact that Sanskrit literature of India talks about river Saraswati which existed before the migration of Aryans. Isn't it supporting the fact that Sanskrit originated in India? And what about the proofs found in Sinauli village of India?
@@rudra957 most of theories like Aryan invasion made by non Indian or western people are just theories based on similarity between Indians and west not on evidence based researches... So it's inconclusive.
@Akhand Bharat comparative study of sanskrit and European languages like Latin, Greek, Russian, Lithuanian etc prove that sanskrit has a strong connection with them..there are numerous words in sanskrit that are cognate with European languages such as numbers 1-10, words for family members etc..so sankrit is a European language..
I truly believe it is a good idea to be doubtful of the conclusions of colonial archeologists and historians, especially those of the 19th century and early 20th, in terms of their conclusions about non-white cultures......but you do that by going back to the archeological record, and you look at it with science and build your interpretation on that. You don't do that by leaning head first into fundementalism. also--Marx was an economist and philosopher why would anyone value his particular interpretation of Indian civilization as fact when he's talking about economics not history. And like, if he's talking about dialectical materialism as a methodology, SAY SO.
The reason why many of the conclusions of colonial archaeologists and historians are no longer held to be true is because archaeologists and historians questioned them. No idea that is at odds with the evidence is safe.
If you read Indian history the criticism of Marxist interpretation would make more sense. There is a prevalent reading of Hinduism and Hindu social order from Marxist lens. Marxist peer review circle has created a historical narrative that doesn't hold up to a data based reading. These historical narratives still inform policy formation in India, which it certainly should not. Only rationalism and data based decision making should be accepted.
@@WorldofAntiquity it's not about the archaeologists and historian questioned the colonial mindset academicians but did the questioned facts came into existence or did the colonial powers just limited them to the pure academic world and keep continuations of the manipulation in the history in public domain for their petty gains. And as @A Correctly pointed out very well the same manipulated facts or policy of distortioning the history was carried out by Marxist left inclined historians till the beginning of the 21st century. If one doesn't understand the historical-political background one can't justify Or establish the "purity of academics " in isolation as u r trying to do, I'm really sorry for that.
@@parveenchahal1 *did the questioned facts came into existence or did the colonial powers just limited them to the pure academic world and keep continuations of the manipulation in the history in public domain for their petty gains.* I don't know what you mean by "limited them to the pure academic world." There are no private academic clubs. *the same manipulated facts or policy of distortioning the history was carried out by Marxist left inclined historians till the beginning of the 21st century. If one doesn't understand the historical-political background one can't justify Or establish the "purity of academics " in isolation as u r trying to do, I'm really sorry for that.* Global secular scholarship has no interest in the concerns of any one country or party.
@@WorldofAntiquity 1. Pure academic world or private academic club represent here- the new development in understanding the history were stopped intentionally to reach the public domains where the history actually belongs to. 2. It's not about what the "global secular academia" thinks, it's about what role it is actually plying in the Life of the people concerned. It's like a double edge sword, the old theories which are already rejected by the " global secular academia" are still taught to the public by some political party or "secular" socialistic propaganda machine, needs to be rejected again on a public domain not in a kinda " private academic club". I hope now you understand that what I'm saying is the background , which will help you in understanding why someone is rejecting again those theories which are for you "gone cases", the "global secular academia" is not concerned with the people or the politics, if they don't know how to reach in the public domains is a serious matter because they will not understand what role is their research is playing in the Life of the people, they can be misused.
I find whenever people have bias's either religious, ethnic or cultural that it does colour their view point and we must take them with a grain of salt. The irony of Dr Miano criticizing the colonialism for twisting their view point and not recognizing his own is not lost on anyone here. The sad thing is India is one of the cradles of civilization, and is recognized and respected as such today. I have studied Harappan civilization and it has an old fantastic culture but going on ours is the first or Mesopotamian is the first or Egyptian the first is kind of stuff I expect from kids in high school arguing which is better Nintendo, Sony or Xbox. Mesoamerica is also considered a cradle and so is the Yellow river basin. The Mesoamerican cradle was the most recent one does it mean it's inferior or influenced by the others? No definitely not. All it shows to me that each cradle went from a neolithic culture to slowly urbanize and and organize from rural villages to towns to urban environments kind of an evolution. Mesopotamian did not make Egypt nor did it make Harappan culture. The same can be said of Biblical Archeology, they based their findings on the Bible and went looking for clues, instead having clues on archeology and this still colours people view and have given it a bad reputation that slowly been reforming itself.
@@WorldofAntiquity I am so sorry, I am an idiot, I mean to say David Frawley is confusing, I copied the wrong name in my comment and didn't realize it.
One more thing I like to bring up about David Frawley made the comment he didn't believe in the Aryan invasion. Was there an invasion? I don't think so, but we don't know (please keep in mind it's been 25 years since I read into the Indus Valley Civilization) The Harappan culture ended around 1800~1700 BC. There wasn't a destruction layer as one would expect to see as you find in some sites of the bronze age collapse. The Rg Vedas are believed to date 1500 to 1000 BC. You can't categorically say there is no invasion, but you can't say there was either. There is a theory of climate change forces the people of the Indus Valley to leave that location and later on people were migrating and moved into the area which does in my opinion pass the smell test but I think there still alot of studying needs to be done. I understand people wanting to be proud of their heritage and the Indus Valley is one of the great centers of Civilization, it's a great thing.
Tout ceçi est très sensible et humaniste ce qui me fait penser à Jésus Christ: tendre l'autre joue... ( création judeo chrétiens en la personne de Paul de tarse saul de son nom juif) c'est l'occident qui a tout occulter tout hégémonisé tout asservit!? penser être légitimes en pointant du droit ceux qui veulent rétablir la vérité !!??? Comme il est mentionné dans la bible, l'armaguedon est à notre porte et il s'agit de l'accepter qui mènera certainement une extinction peut-être la 6ème !!? Et peut être aussi que l'humanité comprendra ses erreurs..mais j'en doute car les commentaires montrent un certain agacement au changement de paradigme qui dérange! En oubliant ou feintant la réalité des misères, des morts, des violences,les extinctions de peuple le travail forcé perpétré par l'occident a tout controler, penser que l'occident pourrait avoir le même comportement avec les cobras que les indiens( les protéger malgré les risques...!? L'occident est le demon de ses égrégores et de prés ou de loin, les défenseurs des ces pensées, vulgarisées,standardisées!!
The more I watch your videos, the more I feel like you are an apologist for the nonsense of years past, especially since defending the views and the prejudices of past historians and anthropologists only serves to fuel them and their flaws even further. To say that overall historians have completed shifted their thinking in the main regarding anthroplogical study is to ignore the fact that we still talk about these ideas and couch them in language like "race" et. al, rather than changing the narrative and rather than representing a true paradigm shift in the thinking about antiquity.
Nonsense of years past? I make considerable effort to make sure the information I provide is up to date. And I don't know where you are getting the impression that historians and scientists still use words like "race," but that certainly is not the case.
7:19 To suggest that Europeans didn't have ulterior motives regarding what they propogated and how they propogated in India leads me to genuinely suspect YOUR understanding of the topic at hand, Sir with all due respect, it's been heavily discussed with Proofs that intentions of European Historians ALL OVER THE WORLD was to create an Idea of European supremacy in intellectual thought and as the Superior race. I think with your claims of Historical knowledge and understanding you wouldn't make such claims of," Ohh we shouldn't do psychoanalysis of the European Historians"!! The only arguments that poison the well is the one you made.
Hmm. I say in the video that Europeans in colonial times probably did have ulterior motives, and scholars were no doubt affected by that. But historians, archaeologists, geneticists, and linguists today, from India and all over the world, don't follow those old theories anymore.
@@WorldofAntiquity alors comment expliquez-vous l'attitude de zahi awas l'Égyptologue,devant tant de contradictions, de chercheurs serieux et scientifiques !?
20:20 Okay, I'm facepalming hard. Class has nothing to do with "race". Race is how people are perceived over a few easily visible genetic traits such as colour of the skin, shape of the head and colour of the hair. Class is the social position of a person. What Marx claims (and marxist theory holds) is that there is a conflict of interests amongst the various classes, for instance a factory owner wants to have a bigger share of the profits while the workers want higher wages (thus decreasing the owner's share of profits).
Personally I don't care who came first, it's irrelevant. Most people don't care about the place or who they were , but they want the truth. The history is important and interesting.
@@MrPrav76 Yes, or what they were like before, how they lived and how advanced they were but too often do ego and pride interfere with the truth. Its a constant battle that every group faces.
I am Indian born and living in India, but tbh I do not care where human civilization began. When I look at the universe, when I look at the picture "The pale blue dot" it makes me just feel something which I cannot explain, it's something my mind cannot comprehend. Like is are we living in an atomic world???? Sun's and planets are like nucleus, protons and electrons,,, we know that 99.99% of space inside of an Atom is EMPTY, so is in our universe. What are we living in,
Also he...he does realize that there were Ancient Indian Atheists and Rationalists, as well as the fact that Vedic Texts differed within regions and different texts had different philosophies, right? Also, outside of the Gangetic Plain, and especially South and Northeast, the Vedas weren't really important during the time called the "Vedic Period".
@@LS-ql4wp - "A lie will fly around the whole world while the truth is getting its boots on", Mark Twain, published in "Standard player monthly", 1918, Volumes 3-4, Standard Pneumatic Action Co.
His whole preface, which is based on distrust of science, is very similar to that of flat-earthers. It's a genetic fallacy. Also, southern Mesopotamia isn't exactly "the west", is it? So, it's not so much a bias in favor of Western civilization, but a bias *against* the Indus civilization. That victimhood mentality is also prevalent in flat-earthers.
There is a lot of chest thumping by a new generation of proud indians(read mostly hindus) brought up in tune with the nationalistic agenda of the current indian government. A sense of humility and even handedness is visibly absent in these new revisionists who are working hard to expose the injustice meted out to them by oppressive regimes in the past. These wounded woud-be world conquerers(if not for the mean mughals and the evil brits) are on a roll right now blissfully oblivious to the fact how history will judge them in times to come.
@@WorldofAntiquity ur video seems completely trash 🗑 😒. Why does people see everything as black and white. Ur entire topic talks about language and a right wing idiot no mention of detailed city evidence of carbon dating delta values. Ur sub shows ur knowledge Regarding indias influence in western culture its better I start a channel to explain things to u dear. Now I have exams write. Sorry to bother u.
As a Sanskrit scholar for decades, and a trained archaeologist, there are so many grains of truth in Frawley’s analysis, It’s worth examining them in detail. Frawley has his biases, which distort the textual evidence, but he is right to question the eurocentric views promoted, often unwittingly, by western scholarship.
Unfortunate is the fact that the library of Alexandria was burnt by Julius Caesar, destroying invaluable texts which would've helped us decipher vast tracts of history. Similarly, Khilaji invaders from Central Asia burned the Nalanda University in the Indian subcontinent at around 1200 AD, which was said to be the oldest University in the world, standing for centuries. Along with it was burnt the hundreds of thousands of leaf bound manuscripts and books on numerous topics ranging from astronomy, medicine and matter to warfare and spirituality. Just imagine the amount of knowledge these libraries held.
I m Indian. And agrees with your video. Lots of lost knowledge.. And instead of filling the gaps in knowledge everyone is using these gaps to fulfill their agenda ... I want who were indigenous people of Indian main land before Aryan migration. Where did they come from. I didn't find any authentic literature on it .. Can you guide.. Please 🙏 Thank you for great videos.. Humbled by your efforts
@nimeshkachhela5086 - There are links in the description section - under the video window to the left. There is a logical fallacy many Christians in the USA use when there is an as yet scientific unknown, or they don't like the science that applies, called "God of the Gaps" that I think applies to what you are saying.
Look up Atlantis and Jambudweepa's descriptions, concentric seas, 7 islands, 9 kingdoms, mountains on the north, oblong plain in the south surrounded by two coastal mountains in the east and west and even the length and breadth of the central island! India used to be called Jambudweep/berry island! But how can India be an island? Unless sea level was at least 200m higher, which apparently it was according to Exxon Petroleum company's past sea level calculations! Now go check out Indian peninsular mountains and plateaus & river valleys. Plato's twins Atlas and Gadeirus or was that Arun and Gadura? Gadura did launch a campaign upto Euro!
The flood happened 15k bp during the younger dryas event according to star positions in Manu's story. After the flood, There were the snakes/nagas & there were the eagles/gaduras who although shared same paternal ancestry were the dasas(slaves) of the Nagas. Then they revolted and conquered the four directions (even upto eastern euro) with their 2 headed eagle emblem which became the emblem of Sri Vishnu who was the patron lord of the snakes and their ancestor. Which is why you find that emblem from Egypt to sumer, iran to euro. Many North Indian people like the Jats claim Naga lineage, while the south Indian kingdoms have the gandabarunda, two headed eagle emblem. They have a broad-er nose base meeting into a sharp and low beak like end and close-r set eyes like a bird of prey. Now you know why the euros who stumbled on it in India did everything to hide/distort it
@ArmanAditya Basu if history is very old then it becomes mythology. People in the next 1000 years will not believe that there is a language called sanskrit.
The History of Humanity is never going to be fully clear to us in the Modern World, but, we should not jump to conclusions out of emotions, always support data and evidence based theories.
@@WorldofAntiquity it's more evolved, its known as a highly phonetic language, that means each syllable is more utilized, but like Ancient Greek, and other dead languages no one speaks today
@@hdthor That doesn't make it clearer. What is "algorithmic" grammar? And what about the codified linguistic rules of its poetry are different than all other languages' codified linguistic rules of poetry?
And this guy's claims are only scratching the surface -- from there, you get the Ramayana literalists claiming that Sigiriya and the Adam's/Rama's Bridge are artificial and thousands of years older, or the Tamil nationalists claiming credit for ancient Angkor, Champa, Borobudur, and even South & Central America, and then there are the ancient alien people like Tsoukalos and Mohan who will jump on any theory they can. Hard to keep them all straight. Really looking forward to Part 2!
I totally agree that there were different centers of civilization. It would inappropriate to say that all stemmed from one. This is what I have been trying to tell believers in an advanced lost global civilization about.
Baseless claims are always there. Such as British clonialists trying to fit entire Indian Puranic and Vedic cronology in the period post Noah's flood. The evidence of this is in the public domain. It is disastrous when scholarly concensus is biased and is citing those references. William Jones writes "Either the first eleven chapters of Genesis are true or the whole fabric of our national religion is false (The gods of Greece, Italy and India, Asiatic Researches, Vol 1; 1788 p225) Max Muller - the great western translator of Vedas say (in a letter to Duke of Argyll) "I look upon the creation given in the Genesis as simply historical" oxford feb 4, 1875 1. This is the guy British gave sanskrit dictionaries to translate Hindu Vedas. 2. Be my guest see if you can use dictionary to even find meanings of classical sanskrit verses, let alone Vedic Sanskrit. These are the people being cited again and again in the current times by western scholars. Linguistics - Then they constructed an artificial language called Proto Indo European (PIE) - they commited an academic dishonesty that used only Sanskrit to construct this artificial language. When Srikanth Talgeri pointed it out, linguistics completely refused to even provide answers, let alone refuting it. This dishonestly also occurs in genetic studies. For example the geneticists added the people of Andeman islands into Indian genetic models with south Indians to create an artificial gradient and concluded that ASI and ANI are different. The moment you remove the Andeman people genetics data. You dont find different betweem ANI and ASI. People of Andeman stopped mixing eith indian about 40-50,000 years ago. This is called acedamic dishonety to fudging the data to make it fit a certain narrative. Then we have this Narmada man whose skull was found in central Indian state of Madhya Pradesh. Paper published by an american scholar AR Kennedy assigning this Narmada man is an "early homo sapian" based on his cranial capacity of 1155-1421cmcube. This evidence esserting that not only Indians lived in the subcontinent but they rather evolved in the subcontinent. Then precision tools found in India which are 185,000 - 350,000 years old. Western scholars say Homo erectus dissappeared about 600,000 ago and homo sapiens came to India 85,000 years ago. Then who was making these tools? - again the published evidence is ignored to be discussed in the public domain and did find place in western narrative. We have found pottery inscriptions in bed dwarka, which has been decoded as transital script between indus script to Brahmi script. - again published evidence ignored by "scholars" Mool dwarka city under the sea near the coast of Dwarka, Gujrat is found to have been submurged under sea at the time around 5550+- 30to40 BCE. it is the same mentioned in Mahabharta which got burried under the sea some years after the Mahabharta war. Vartak and Nilesh Oak both by testing 300+ astronomical observations which were recorded in Mahabharata found the 16 Oct 5561 BCE to the first day of Mahabharta war. How interestingly these two disciplines of science prove the dating of Mhabharta. Again ignored by western "scholars" Indian Valmiki Ramayana talks about two pole stars at each pole. Abhijit pole star (Vega) at North pole and Agastya pole star (Canopus) at the sputh pole. Anyone can go and check, these two stars Vega and Canopus were both pole stars at around 12,000 BCE. Then RigVeda talking about the grand status of river Sarasvati flowing beautifully from himalayas to ocean then it talks about river Satluj started to seperate from Sarasvati and started to turn west, then Satluj competely stopped feeding saraswati, then monsoon fed sarasvati river then Saraswati completely drying up. These life stages of Sarasvati river can be found in many different sanskrit texts like Vedas, puranas, ramayana, mahabharta. Manu papers have been published asserting that Satluj started seperating from river Sarasvati around 18-15,000 yeats ago and completely stopped feeding Sarasvati around 9000 years ago. Sarasvati being a grand river around 20,000 years ago confirmed by studying the Ghaggar Hakra paleochannel which was course of Sarasvati river. Snakdrit texts even mention that Sarasvati flows between Satluj and Yamuna. Which is ehere the paleoochannel is. What I mentioned above is a drop in the lake of evidemce we currently have. Apparently - western narrative is still stuck in the Aryan Migration Theory. By the way, where does the word ARYAN come from? Any single evidemce of this word ever existed in any world language?
Rahul, the good news is that nobody today believes in William Jones' and Max Muller's theories. Isn't it a nice feeling to be able to let those go? As for the other things you mention, there are several incorrect claims you make: 1. that linguists reconstructed Proto-Indo-European only from Sanskrit (not true) 2. that "precision tools" were found in India that were 185,000-300,000 years old (not true) 3. that a city near Dwarka was submerged around 5,550 BCE (not true) Can you please provide me with the numbered verses of the Sanskrit texts that speak of the Satluj separating from the Sarasvati and turning west? Thank you.
@@WorldofAntiquity I will quickly give you some information on published papers. I can't talk too much given my time constraints. A new revolutionary DNA results of Rakhigarhi women - An Ancient Harappan Genome Lacks Ancestry from Steppe Pastoralists or Iranian Farmers - very interesting paper and invalidates many of the earlier hypothesis. www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(19)30967-5 1. Construction PIE language - you should read the works of Shrikanth Talageri. I cannot explain here. We all know that how linguistics relate to political and Identity issues. Indo-European languages are a fact but the claims of origin in PIE are false as per the Indian scholars. This is not something I can explain in a comment, you should read Talageri's work, some other scholar have also worked and much more work is happening. Now a lot of work is happening, good thing is that there is so much advanced scientific tool available to help figure things out. For example the use of modern astronomy tools to go back in time and find out when the 300+ astronomical observations of Mahabharata were recorded and when 600+ Astro. observ. of Valmii Ramayana were recorded. Isn't it fantastic? that how you find nearly 1000 astronomical observations in Indian epics, which are not even the texts on astronomy. Let alone other proper astronomy texts. I am very curious to see how again and again you have completely ignored this fact of so much astronomy in Indian epics. Rather I would be very curious if it was western ancient epics containing so much astronomy observations. 2. The tools found in the India 350kya - 185kya (please refer to the article and it also contain the link to the paper published in Nature) www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/02/01/very-old-very-sophisticated-tools-found-in-india-the-question-is-who-made-them/ Narmada man (an Early Homo Sapien) - about 250kya journals.lib.washington.edu/index.php/BIPPA/article/download/11291/9931 3. 5550 bce was for the black sea rise in level. Below is more specific evidence for Mool Dwarka, It was mentioned by me as a corroborative evidence to the dating of mahabharata and the events mentioned in it. One of the even is the destruction and flooding of Dwarka (not present day Dwarka) on the cost of Gujrat (present day state) There are many published papers to support the destruction and flooding via the Seismology and Sea level rise in the 6th millenium BCE. This is a corroborative evidence bioone.org/journals/journal-of-coastal-research/volume-29/issue-6a/JCOASTRES-D-11-00147.1/High-Resolution-Seismic-Stratigraphy-and-Current-Induced-Bed-Forms-in/10.2112/JCOASTRES-D-11-00147.1.short rise of sea level in the arabian sea - about 10+ metres in the 6th millenium BCE Seismology record of 5540+-130 years as per the paper published by Kusala Rajendran of Indian institute of Sciences about the Gujrat area coming to the dates of a major earthquake. Again this corroborates with the dating of 5,561 BCE for Mahabharata as proposed by PV Vartak during 1990s and Nilesh Oak of 2010. There are many more published paper which are corroborative to the 5,561 BCE dating of Mahabharata. 4. River Saraswati is no longer alive is fact one - it was the Ghaggar paleochannel - please read this paper. It gives you a life-time timeline of Sarasvati river. www.nature.com/articles/s41467-017-01643-9 I don't have enough time to collate the information here but would summaries briefly. When I have time, I would love to collate information and may be put that together in a blog or something :) The descriptions of Sarasvati from Rigveda refer to evolutionary geographical history of river Sarasvati - a river that was considered the grandest (on all counts - river, water, divine status) that flowed swiftly from high mountains all the way to the sea, which continued to flow in later times however was deified and identified with ‘goddess of speech, intellect and such’ to being one of the rivers (as opposed to the grandest river, Rigveda 10:75) based on the most recent/latest portions/content of Rigveda. Where river Sindhu (Indus) have Grand status and Saraswati is just one of the rivers. Its not only Rigveda but Ramayana (12209BCE) and Mahabharata (5,561 BCE) describe the state of Saraswati river that corroborates with the contemporary state of Saraswati river. I can't write all that here. P.S. You only said "not true" which is rather a convenient response than informative. I would love to read any contrary published papers.
@@WorldofAntiquity By the way if you are interested. read Shrikanth Talageri. talageri.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-full-out-of-india-case-in-short.html Feel free to ask him questions regarding his research. I am just one person who agrees with his claims depending on my personal multidisciplinary approach of analysis. For Archeoastronomy read Nilesh Oak and ask an expert about his work and his claims and his multi discplinary corroborative evidence. nileshoak.wordpress.com/
Lack of DNA evidence as there is only DNA of one person makes it hard to make an accurate judgement about indus valley and also lack of understanding of indus script.
Aryan inversion was based on Nazi nationalistic narrative. And then rest of Europe continued it. Just make Europe centred narrative just like how Europe draw world map where Europe is at centre of world and specially England is in centre. Aryan inversion is complete myth.
Many US Republicans find Marxists lurking in public schools, Hollywood, Congress and the White House. Hollywood is pretty Capitalist. Neither Biden nor Pelosi is a raving Commie...
@@kmaher1424Marxist ideas exist within American culture though, especially in these institutions you mention. The current social issues around race, gender, sexuality, etc that you find in American pop culture are all just critical theory which is rooted in Marxism. You might have heard of “critical race theory” which is directly nodding at Marxisms idea of critical theory.
At 10:10 you are interpreting Frawley as "What he calls outside methods is the generally accepted scholarly methods of studying civilizations. Instead Frawley supports reconstruction history through religious interpretations of Indian sacred texts" OMG - 1. when did he say that? 2. Your western concept of religion does not exist in Indian culture or civilization or our ancient texts. Do not call our ancient texts as sacred texts because again we do not have concept of "sacred". see you are again using your European concepts to interpret our texts and concepts. In our texts and culture we have a other concepts - Bhagwan, Ishvar, Parmishver, Brahm, Parbraham, Parmatma. All these words are being translated as god by the westerner scholars and they are drawing their conclusions. When your scholard do not understand the different between Bhagwan, Ishvar, Parmishver, Brahm, Parbraham and Parmatma, how can they come to a conclusion when they don't even understand the concepts. They conveniently called all of these words as god and made false conclusions. Looking at your quality of knowledge and your poor interpretations, I am disappointed.
By "sacred" I mean simply that they are dedicated to a religious purpose and held in high esteem. Would you say that is an unfair representation of the Vedas? Where do you believe Frawley gets his views that world civilization began in India after the great Flood, when Shraddhadeva Manu's ark landed in the Himalayas?
@@WorldofAntiquity I will discuss point by point. 1. In my original comment, please read - you did not answer my point 1 "when did he say that?" I will take this as - No Answer - because every reader here will know that Frawley said nothing of the sort as claimed in your commentary in video - also as I pointed out in original comment. You did not answer that so lets call it " No Answer " 2. I raised many other things in my original comment to prove " how west misinterpret and impose their concept while studying Indian texts - without understanding what is written in the indian texts" a very fair concern ( and also root cause of western misinterpretation) I mentioned the concepts of Bhagwan, Ishvar etc - but no answer from you. You did not answer that so lets call it " No Answer " 3. You picked on word "Sacred". I went to Cambridge dictionary. Here is my answer to you another assumption of word sacred and how you think it is valid to Indian texts. It is not and I will prove that as following 3.1 To discuss the concept of "Sacred", I need to first clear the concept of "holy" as per Cambridge dictionary - "Holy" means "related to a religion or a god" & "very religious or pure" dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/holy * concept of religion is western - concept is non existent in ancient Indian texts * Indian texts are not considered pure * texts are diverse in nature they have science, astronomy, mathematics. discussion on bhagwan, parmatma etc are merely a part of the texts not the main theme. * Indian texts are NOT authoritarian and there are no commandments - texts are mere discussion between learned elders and keep record of thousands of years of history. Conclusion - Indian texts are not holy 3.2 Lets come to "Sacred" now dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/sacred C1 - invalid (as we established above) C1 - "connected with religion" - INVALID (as established above) C2 - "considered too important to be changed" surprisingly - Indian texts are a living text, they have been updated/edited many number or times, written by many different authors through the period of thousand of years. you can call the texts as encyclopedias - a fairly appropriate word but not strictly an equivalent. many chapters are as old are more than 20,000 years and some chapters are as new as 5000 years old and even newer. This applies to all ancient texts - vedas, puranas, upanishad, surya sidhanta etc etc etc Conclusion - Indian texts are not Sacred Lets close this comment - considering I did not went out of the scope of the original comment and your response. I left out reading anything about Shradhadeva manu - because I cannot spend any more time considering your earlier responses. Its better I save my time. A recommendation - you can not apply your standard methods because they fall apart when you deal with diversity of concept which are not considered while developing your methods.
I find it incredible that you are arguing that a series of texts (the Vedas), which are concerned with the proper way of conducting religious rituals are not connected with religion. I thought you might truly be willing to have an honest discussion, but you seem to be concerned only with scoring points.
@@WorldofAntiquity "Religious" ? No its your concept, on valid on Indian texts. Indian texts are not sacred, not holy, word religion does not exist in it. It contains vast amount of topics and historical discussion between learned elders. Dharmic discussion forms part of the text. Text is not merely based on Dharamic rituals.
How amazing is it that when I try to find videos on ancient India, youtube recommends videos like this first. It seems like all of the channels with the most funding and that are favored with the algorithm all have the same view. How interesting!! Especially considering there are cities in the Indus valley much older than Uruk. The city of Bhirrana for example is thousands of years older than Uruk. The bias in this video is insane and your condescending tone shows what a real hit piece this is. How interesting is it that all of these videos by people like you all have one thing in common. They want to prove that ancient Mesopotamia was the oldest civilization. That's the real conspiracy. All of Frawley's views are quite logical. Especially that all humans decsended from Manu. It's quite bone chilling to read Roman historian Tacitus's accounts of the Germanic tribes in his book "Germania" when he reports that the Germans claimed they descended from "Manus."
@@WorldofAntiquity Early Mature Harappan period of Bhirrana started at around 4500 BCE. This is when archeologists say this emerged as a city. So this pre dates your own claim of Uruk emerging as the first urban development in 3700 BCE. If you want to go down the settlement route we can do that too, since Bhirrana as a settlement is probably at least 2 thousand years older than Uruk in that respect as well
As someone deeply interested in historical linguistics myself I found this one particularly cringeworthy. Not because your debunking wasn't successful, but because Frawley's argument was just so painfully bad.
David Frawley is wrong when he said "there are no non-sanskritic place names in India". This claim is false. In south india and in West india, there are place names ending with suffix "ur", "palli" , "oli", "halli" . These are Dravidian place names not Indo-aryan sanskritic. Place names such as Bengaluru ,Coimbatore, Kollam, Irinjalakuda, kodungallur, ..Etc all are fully non-sanskritc place names.
@@Agnostic7773 Who said entire South Indian places are non-sanskritic ? I said many place names in south are non-sanskrtic dravidian names such as Nellore and Guntur in your Andhra Pradesh. Nellore is completely dravidian place name and guntur too. Not only in TN, but also in Andhra, Telangana, Karnataka, and Kerala has dravidan place names.
LoL, when south indian languages itself have Sanskrit words and variations of those words Please read about languages before coming to that conclusion. David frawley has more logic than this guy.
@@sriramp5934The word dravida itself is a Sanskrit word. David Frawley's research is impeccable. You have to read his works. This author has an agenda. Don't fall for it. Do your independent research.
@@AS-zr9dg Dravida derived from the word a Prakrit word "Dhammil" it's a distortion of word "Tamil/tamizh" . The name of the language Tamil derives from the word "Tan mozhi" meaning self-expression . "Tan" means Self and "Mozhi" tongue or expression. Dravidian is pen name used by anthropologists and linguists to describe a whole group of closely related languages. I think you need to do your independent research.
@@WorldofAntiquity Are you suggesting that there might be inherent biases in the way information is presented and that scientific arguments can't be dismissed based on their age? I'm interested in understanding your perspective because I believe in the importance of seeking the truth. Could you clarify why gene diversity is considered a significant factor in some scenarios, like supporting the "Out of India" theory, but not in others, such as the "Aryan migration" theory?
@@himanshusingh6988 *Are you suggesting that there might be inherent biases in the way information is presented and that scientific arguments can't be dismissed based on their age?* Huh? No. I am saying that I made an error in this video, which I corrected in the next one. *Could you clarify why gene diversity is considered a significant factor in some scenarios, like supporting the "Out of India" theory, but not in others, such as the "Aryan migration" theory?* From one of the genetics studies I cited in the newer video: "Genetic diversity within a geographical area is a reasonable indicator of the age of the populations' residence in that area. However, it is also dependent on the effective sizes of populations, implying thereby that the assessment of antiquity may not be straightforward."
No disrespect idk how much you know about Indian history...aryan invasion was purley coined by linguistic basis (no archiological sites in india have found change in culture and habitation and mostly all archiological sites lie on the same lines of the vedic lands or land described in vedas)in vedas the founder of similarities among sanskrit,Greek,latin was William Jones in 1780 wheeler continued it and coined aryan invasion after finding of Harappa and mohenjodaro he said Aryans came and destroyed cities but he couldn't provide single remains of Aryans (i.e their weapons,where they destroyed in Harappa and mohenjodaro,what cattle the brought with them what kind of weapons they had etc ) but he just proposed in thin air and all accepted and later a proto indo europian language has coined who were thy which language they spoke it is even absurd they even cannot provide any archiological proof of proto indo europian (they are only depended on genetics, language). 1) u mentioned that there are more non vedic names in Vedas plz refer 'shrikant talegeri' he has clearly discussed about linguistic argument put up by supporters of Aryan invasion..(though iam not a scholar but one of mr.shrikants view is very correct i.e if Aryans brought veda from outside then why veda starts from central India to westwards logically if we go from point A to B we mark the things what we see from A to B not vica versa) in Vedas all rivers have the same name of today (some rivers have many names or changed due to many invasions but many have same all majority linguistis accept it the problem was only with saraswati river and geological finds shows that the river existed but due to earthquake the river changed its course and slowly the saraswati river get extinct but now the river beds have been found) 2)yes now people call it as Aryan migration theory but can migrants change the whole culture and language of a civilization?(the pro Aryan invasion ppl say that migration happned in small pockets) but no archiological evidence is there for migration i.e change in (material culture,food grain etc) but there are for others i.e Zoroastrian etc 3) recent dna study which was published in cell shows that agriculture was developed in india by the natives it has not come from other people. 4) dna from rakhighari (one of indus site) matched with 11 people who were outliers [Gonur (3) and Shahr-i-Sokhta (8)] which means indus people were travelling to those areas for business. 5) according to neeraj rai( one who was part of those rakhighari dna findings)r1a dna origins in india because it has a lot of diversity in india he is working on those paper so he said we have to wait for the papers to be out but he is 100% sure that r1a is indian earlier study's lacked dna samples he said that new 10000 samples are collected and analysis is in final stage..he further says we find steppe dna at 1200 bc (wait what avast of Iranians was 1500 bc so vedas must be older than that right no admixture in dna till 1200 bc vedas generally accepted timeline 1800 bc how?? Even that steppe dna is very low which cannot change the whole civilization) 6)Aryan invasion/migration theory is politically motivated. students still study it as invasion and on basis of that politics is played (some political people want to keep it alive to divide like the Brits used i.e aryan/Dravidian,brahmin/dalit.etc) AIC played a great role in colonial era to divide people in india i.e aryan and Dravidian. 7)Aryan invasion led to german nationalism which led to ww2.hitler was gathering all his ancestors (aryans) knowledge and was trying to construct weapons of distructon(i.e oppenhimer,einstine) Iam not saying there was no admixture of people at all yes there may be how come u do international trade and don't have admixture in population or exchange of language but that doesn't mean that the knowledge Vedas have and the greatness of indus vally had, is brought by some white haired blue eyed person ..ty
Hi Rock King. Thank you for your thoughtful comments. Since you put in the effort to engage with the topic critically, the least I can do is give your 7 points a fair response. 1) I will look into Talegeri's arguments. Thank you for the reference. I do not believe that Aryans brought the Vedas into India, nor do I think most historians believe that. Their position is that SOME of the hymns of the Rig Veda had already been composed orally before entrance into India, but that most of the Vedas were composed within India. I talk about the Sarawati in my Part 2 video. 2) Historians today do not believe that the Aryans radically changed the culture of India. They believe only that they had an influence. That's all. 3) Yes, I mentioned this in both of my videos. 4) Yes, I am sure foreigners visited and even resided in the Indus Valley Civilization. 5) I look forward to reading the results of the new DNA study and comparing it with the others. 6) The Out-of-India theory has been used politically too. But that doesn't matter. How a historical event is used politically has no bearing on whether the event is true. For example, here in the US, people point out crimes committed by immigrants in order to further a political agenda to keep immigrants out of the country. But just because these events are twisted and used politically, that doesn't mean immigrants never committed crimes. 7) Yes, people have interpreted history for evil purposes. But see #6 above. I should add that no historian today believes that the Aryans who migrated into India were blond-haired, blue-eyed Europeans.
Thanks for ur reply...as i said there is no archiological evidence what so ever which states that some buch of people came and settled in Harappan sites it is clearly siad by indian archiologist Dr Vasant Shinde (he also said that there are enough archiological evidences that show thet there is cultural continuity and the indus sites dates back to 8000 bc or so he even clearly said that the pots made by locals today are much similar to what the harappans used to do people use the same (traditional) agriculture techniques that were used to do in those time ) yes many people in India misinterpert out of India as everything is done by india i don't mean that what i mean and many of Indic scholars here belive that indus civilization had a good strong base in trade coz they traded many things with many countries and they have to be travellers and definitely they have met many people and they have left some imprint there and took some with tem including knowledge and admixture of population.that also dosen't mean some blocks of people came and persuaded local people to change their culture and religion etc (like the migration theory states) 1)i didn't say that we have found outliers in indus i said we have confirmed that the outliers burial found in saher e sokhta is of harappans that means harappans used to travel for trade (it proves the point) 2) it is generally accepted by scholar's that where there is many diversity then that thing may be native to that place i.e as apple is native to America coz Wu find huge variety of apples and as above u said for r1a that central Asia has most diversity do it belongs to central Asia (although i said in my above comment r1a belongs to india as per neeraj rai)but u r not ready to accept the same (saying quantity dosen't mean anything but as we all know to get knowledge we have to spend a lot of time and resources i.e money, it means that some people have spent a lot of time gathering that knowledge there is a simple misunderstanding among pro AIT supporters they are in a hurry that's why they say Aryans came and wrote all the quality and quantity of litrature in some centuries and changed culture it's not as simple as that some people were giving their precious time to think, what we call such people today scholar's oh yes and what requires to be a best scholar huge resources (money ease of acess to many things etc)yes sir quantity of litrature does play a huge role in a civilization it's not like litrature is produced in thin air like pro AIT theorists claim and we have to consider the time when these litrature are written considering that yes quantity of litrature definitely matters) conclusion for litrature there is no diversity in litrature (in indo europian language family as it is in india )not ony spoken language diversity but litreture too (most of the indo europian language are spoken in india)yes u may be right a small country like iseral write a whole bibel (the bhagwad gita itself 5 times larger than Bible and 10 times larger than odyssey) plz provide a place if u know where such huge diversity in language (of indo europian family has).the problem is that most Pro AIT people cannot provide archiological evidence and pin point a place of proto indo europian language..(it is comman knowledge that a lier always change his statement) i know that new evidence changes interpretation but not drastically(and additional info:the litrature we have today is just remains of what Islamists did to Takshila and nalanda University and Brits stole it to their British liabrary and many Brits stole for their private collection including their loot of wealth and some of them even fled to us so that they don't have to share with the throne).. 1) again sarasvati of vedas is saraswati which got extinct in india coz saraswati of Afghanistan dosen't have ganga,Yamuna,near to it and there must be many indus cities on its banks of if it was that saraswati (the cities found by archiologist on the banks of saraswati river are many more in number and are also older than Harappa and mohenjodaro) 2)once again according to Dr Shinde there are no material culture found in archiological sites but he said we find changes when Persian people come to india for Asylum (Zoroastrian)they have found material change they brought with them but we not find any footprints of Aryans.he also added in later periods(later period of Harappa and mohenjodaro) we had good relations with Iran obviously it was our neighbour and we have some exchanges with them but definitely they were no Aryans. 3)the iron making in india dates back to 1900bc which was found recently. 4)u said that Aryans came and wrote vedas in india generally accepted dates of vedas 1800 bc it means that Aryans may have came to india 200/400years ago may be coz they have to travel all land(to describe it in vedas) and change beliefs of people etc and to rank up to become aristocrat so that all people follow them (obviously no one will follow silently to anyone by merely saying hi i have came here to change your beliefs)so according to that they may have come to indus/india in 2000/2200 bc but as i said as per Dr neeraj rai there is no such extent of admixture in population in dna studies that support such a thing.and about black and white colour (it is also possible as we already know harappans were travellers for trade they may have taken a foreign spouse and the colour geonome may have introduced to indus (just assuming because if tehre is no proof then anything is possible as u said) the same que was asked to neeraj rai he said genome which changes colour of people it's complex to discribe it coz there are many reasons. 5)ashva or horses have mentioned in vedas again and again and many say where are the horses according to neeraj rai they have found horse remains in rajasthan (Himalayan pony)and they are studying it and they are sure that it's domesticated and was used by harappans (earlier a horse bone was found in archiological sites and famous Hungarian archaeozoologist Sándor Bökönyi seen tem and said that the remains are of horse many pro AIT theorists asked him to review but he stick to his stand)and those horese are same as described in vedas. 6) let's revisit AIT ...... William Jones found similarities in sanskrit, greek,roman they were some words (ref.talageri if i remember correctly they were some 8/10 wordes which are very comman words like,night,foot etc)it attracted more indologists to study sanskrit (obviously they had more resources to support them and still now where local indians were ignorant and still are)so they found mittani and Hittite people yes but they didn't spoke aryan language but they had only aryan names(Aryans lost their language coming to india)then we found Avesta of Zarathustra and many concluded finally we found that Aryans came to india but they forgot to analyse the time line i.e it is generally accepted that Rigveda is the oldest (it has three mandalas which are late addition)all the Hittite, mittani and Avesta has is later basic names for people and places so once again misinterpertion ...the hymn of mandala 7 hymn no 89 read shri arabindo's translation it's different..many foreigners mis interpret many hyms and translated vedas i.e as u took of Griffith.. there is word by word translation done by kant Singh plz refer to that where he shows how misinterpretation led to divide in india in caste and aryan/Dravidian (the dasyus) and a wresten scholar while reading vedas once read one word incorrectly and changed all meaning (the hymn was for ritual relating to widows which stated widow has to sit next the body and apply ghee to her eyes to mosturize it and again take her place in world but that scholar translated one word agreya as agnaiya which translated as the widow has to burned when she mosturized her eye it was something like that )..that is why many indian scholar's are now writing translations.that is one of the reason we r fed up of narrow view of western and some Marxist scholars in india.why i hold western scholars more responsible ex:the current numeral system is indian which was translated by some arab scholar the western scholars named algorithms after the arab scholar's name and totally ignored that scholars title of translation hisab al hind (even now people say arabic numerals and above all that western scholars were not ready to acknowledge those as indian numerals in this decade some people have accepted it ..ref.Dr C K Raju) 7)many calander systems were used by india yes sidereal is still bing used over and above the Julian calander forced by our government on us (as well known mathematician Dr C K Raju Julian calander is inaccurate..iam no scholar /don't have any knowledge of that) I am very much aware that indus people while trading many people also visited indus civilization that's why i said international trade of that time definitely they had exchange of knowledge, people etc ...once again that dosen't prove Aryans came to india and vedic knowledge is not indian ...ty
Hi Rock King. It's hard to read your comment, because there are very few grammatical marks (no periods at all), but I will try to respond as best as I can understand you. In regard to your first two points: 1) All historians accept the fact that the Harappans traded with other countries and had immigrants living in their culture. 2) Although there are many dialects in India based on Sanskrit, there is not much diversity of the Indo-European dialects. This means that the majority of Indian dialects all come from Sanskrit, which is only one tiny part of the Indo-European language family. There is more diversity of Indo-European languages outside of India. In regard to your seven other points: 1) I am not aware of any pre-Harappan cities on the Saraswati. Could you point them out to me? 2) If you show me where to find the article by Dr. Shinde, I will read it. But let me say that we do have a very important footprint left by the Aryans: the Vedas. We know the Aryans from their language. 3) Are you talking about evidence of iron smelting? Or are you just talking about finding an iron artifact? Remember, the Harappans traded with other countries, so an iron object could have been imported. We need to see evidence of iron-making in India in order to know that they had the technology. One way is by finding iron smelting furnaces, and another is by finding a whole bunch of indigenous iron artifacts. 4) I don't understand how you can say that people of other colors could have come into India, but not people with different DNA. Different colors ARE different DNA. Also, different peoples would have had different languages. 5) I have not heard of any horse remains other than a possible tooth. Could you show me where to find these evidences, so that I can look at them? 6) It is hard to understand what you are saying here, because the whole paragraph is only one sentence. I am sure that there have been many bad English translations made, especially in the 19th century. But what does that have to do with Aryan migration? (By the way, no one believes in an AIT anymore. They believe in an AMT. So from now on, say AMT.) 7) I have no argument with that. I said in my video only that the Vedas do not use a sidereal calendar. I have a question for you: Why is it so important to you that the Aryans did not come into India from elsewhere? What is so upsetting about that?
@@WorldofAntiquity , Thank you for demonstrating your cognitive integrity under fire, your willingness to engage thoroughly with commenters and holding to the unknown where uncertainty is fact. You have earned my subscription and admiration. Coming from no academic background, I have waded through the mire of outside speculation, disinformation and politicized scientific research in my search for theories to our species prehistory. I anticipate learning a great deal here. This is the first youtube video of which I've read every comment and response in about ten years of watching! Take it for what it is, as dismissive as you can sound to me at times, when confronted with cherished beliefs and non science, it hasn't blinded me to the validity or value of the critique you put forth in this video, or the the few others I've watched. I greatly value this level of engagement, as it shows real dedication to sorting credible knowledge from the mire of biases like cultural mythology and traditional beliefs. You definitely trigger believers! If that's a premeditated part of your recipe, it would be masochistic/honorable to a level of sage skeptic level 23.
The Out of India theory is now even more unlikely, at least at the genetic level. The researchers say early Iranian agriculturists did not have any significant mixture of South Asian hunter-gatherer ancestry, “and thus the patterns we observe are driven by gene flow into South Asia and not the reverse”.
Have you picked up any research paper at all you illiterate? Even Reich says the so called 'Iran Neolithic' separated from IVC 13 thousand ybp. The latest nature paper by Yuan et al clearly shows any genetic exchange between Euro and India was from India at least in the last 10 thousand years.
@@WorldofAntiquity This is not the paper. There's one that Reich himself wrote just after the results of the Rakhigarhi samples were published where he tried to adjust his theory now that the 'indegenous' IVC turns out to have 'Iranian' 'caucasian' ancestry. So he said the Iran Neolithic and India Neolithic seperated some 13k ybp. Now Iran N is constiruent of Yamnaya & subsequently of Euro, yet India N is not apparently! The tree maps that you see in such papers are modern hierarchy clustering machine learning algorithms that search structures in random data. Some twater guy ran the data himself this time 'India Neolithic' as the node and found yamnaya/steppe to be derivative and downstream instead. The other paper I mentioned is a nature paper (name given above) by Yuan et al which clearly shows out of India
I feel like every civilization’s origin story probably says something like ‘civilization began right around here with us.’ I don’t have any proof, just an impression.
I liked the video. Gobekli Tepe has informed us that answering such questions is harder than anytime before. I think that - 1. We need to agree about definition of civilization (which itself is incredibly hard e.g. Gobekli Tepe), 2. By rejecting siloed practice, we must become an interdisciplinary community which is comfortable with vocabulary of archaeology, linguistics, genetics, geology, palaeoclimatology, paleoastronomy, etc, 3. Develop computational methods & tools (e.g. Seshat), 4. Do all of this really well and really fast.
Gobekli tepe showed us that oir civilisation is way older then expected and I strongly believe the origins lie in Asia, china, India, the oldest cultures in this world
@@SWOTHDRAand so has lots of sources not one and in many cases converged as people moved sometimes and culture diffused slowly there were lionman cults in Europe 50000 years ago it was kind of civilization
What you're saying about rest of frawly work might be true but mergharh civilization which was succeeded by indus valley outdates Mesopotamia and has evidence that says people were doing agriculture (wheat and barley) and even found pots with bitumen linings. It's kinda sad to see so many people talk about indus valley without pointing out a single fact or statement about mehgrah which preceded indus valley by atleast 1000-3000 years.
@@WorldofAntiquity @World of Antiquity ya but the archeologists who excavated mehrgarh claim agriculture existed there before they even had any contact with Mesopotamia (since the oldest found evidence is from 7000B.C) and also supports that mergharh is not an continum of Mesopotamia and agriculture started there independently. Mesopotamia also wasn't a city until the beginning of bronze age(the uruk period), i didn't claim mehgrah as an City , but neither Mesopotamia had urban centre, i simply stated that merhgrah had its own independent agricultural practices (as supported by one of the two scientists who excavated it), By the time uruk period started in Mesopotamia, the indus valley also started simultaneously.
@@kuralovien5524 *ya but the archeologists who excavated mehrgarh claim agriculture existed there before they even had any contact with Mesopotamia (since the oldest found evidence is from 7000B.C) and also supports that mergharh is not an continum of Mesopotamia and agriculture started there independently.* Yes, I know. I said that in the video. *By the time uruk period started in Mesopotamia, the indus valley also started simultaneously.* The material remains show quite clearly that Uruk urbanized many centuries before the Indus Valley urbanized.
What's sad is that the world thinks India has its roots in indus valley, this is far from truth. Civilizations have existed in India much longer than indus valley, however Indus valley civilization was unique in many ways, they had no lords or gods, they were basically traders & farmers with hi tech toilets & plumbing systems for that era.
@Rupendra Sharma There was no Pashupathi. It was just a name attached to the Harappan artifact by the scholar. He used an existing Indian deity for reference.
There are undeniable sarcastic undertones in your criticism that exposes the agenda that you promote. You are clearly trying to downplay arguments that don’t align to the narrative you promote.
Then cut out the sarcasm and keep an open mind to learn from the hindu scriptures themselves. It's obvious you don't attach any value to evidences in it. Here are some things to explore : 1. Saraswati river age, its disappearance and the Vedas age, this alone should settle the antiquity issue, as the Vedas cover the flowing version of the river extensively. 2. High tech in india - why do Indian temple rocks look laser precision cut and show signs of lathe machine type tech?. 3. If you are going to dismiss evidences from the scriptures of a continuing ancient civilization and choose to support theories and call them evidence, where is your priority on seeking truth? 4. You claim many theories which were held dear by western indology as 'scolarly truth' until recently are not true anymore; as common people why should we believe every nonsense theory mainstream 'experts' come up with till it gets debunked? What is this expertize worth if they are going to keep changing fundamental positions? We would rather believe our scriptures which has always guided us.
35:25, cultural strength might refer to soft power and ability to "project" cultural forms in an influential way. No matter where I go in the world, I can find an American movie playing in a theater. That is incredible. This "projection power" of cultural forms can't be understated. The whole 'Indianization' of Southeast Asia occured due to the "cultural strength" of India. Societies who were newly entering a phase of agrarian-urbanization adopted the cultural forms and religion of its more established neighbor who already appeared to have "figured out" the challenges the SE Asian societies were facing.
so far the strongest point mentioned by video poster is genetic data which show significant mixture of stepp and iranian genes. I have seen AIT/migration theory videos and OIT videos. OIT proponent videos do raise some good questions such as sarswati river description found in the vedas, astronimical observations mentioned in the text which pose a questions on antiquity of the events. I will watch the next video to see if more explaination if provided by this channel.
Peoples tend to forget that north - west of India is ruled by Persians,parthian,Greeks & Central Asian for hundreds of years. So it's natural that you will find mix Genetics
Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950): “The entire world will accept Hindu religion one day and if it can not even accept the real name it will accept it by name only.” West will accept Hindutva one day and Hindu will be the religion of those who have studied in the world “
Dave down the pub (19??-20??) "I reckon all the rulers of the world are lizard people from the moon and they harvest human babies for telekenetic powers" Must be facts then because someone said it
Based on the fact that the most closely related wild relatives of domesticated plants are in the fertile crescent, I'm thinking that city living is more likely to have started in the fertile crescent.
@@WorldofAntiquity it had stone walls 4000 years before Uruk had them. I understand we have the first written evidence of Uruk. But clearly Jericho was a significant settlement thousands of years before
What ? Cities like Ayodhya ruled by lord Rama in 5200 bc. Indian civilization was the oldest and Vedas are the oldest scientific texts those inspired many scientists
@@mudunurimadhuri7968 Archeologically the earliest possible settlements at Ayodhya can be dated to c. 12th century BCE. unless you show artifacts from the site that can be dated we will just ignore contrary claims. Also Vedas are not scientific texts. You are insane.
I came to this video to learn about the Indus Valley Civilisation but rather got some questions about the topics being discussed :- 1》It is being mentioned here that haplogroup cannot be native to India because it is not that diverse here. While in the origin of sanskrit video you said the exact opposite. There the diversity was acknowledged as true but that wasn't used for categorising as native. Is it not the same changing of sources as per need? 2》How did you infer that names were not in Sanskrit?? Can't independent words be names in a language? 3》And why were you shouting in between?
*It is being mentioned here that haplogroup cannot be native to India because it is not that diverse here.* My newer video was correct. *How did you infer that names were not in Sanskrit?? Can't independent words be names in a language?* I'm not sure what part of the video you are referring to. Do you mean words found in Sanskrit that are loan words from non-Sanskritic languages? Languages have identifying characteristics. That is how they are able to tell. *And why were you shouting in between?* I am not aware of any shouting.
@@25years66 As an Indian I kinda agree to this! Since I see people who are generally overestiamating the cultural aspects and greatness of India, forgetting what needs to be done. I always thought there was some issue as ppl are struggling to get more attention from outside world in different forms and the surpressing mentality is still prevalent within different communities, the outside world is not doing much great in making this better either.The only good part is, lot of ppl in the younger generation do understand this, all I can hope is nomatter how long it takes, surely but slowly get rid of it.
What's going through Mr. Frowley's mind? "I am a white man in a kurta criticizing Europe. They will have no choice but to believe me."....... Well., that and "1.4 billion people in India at $30 a book ....... money, money, money"...... And there were certainly languages older than Sanskrit. Sanksrit is just another derivative. I mean, Sanskrit as we know it dates to like 1500 BCE? MAYBE 2000 BCE? I think the Mesopotamians, pre-Sanskrit steppe Indo-Europeans, Egyptians, Semites, Africans, pre-Indo-European Europeans, SIberians, Amerindians, East Asians, Oceanics and well, most of the rest of the world would have something to say about that..... "Um, what? Did our languages just appear out of nowhere?" Overall, Frowley is a great warning to those basing all their 21st century work on 19th century texts and theories.......
POINT OF ORDER: "Indo-arian" is a LINGUISTIC term referring to a group of related (i.e. common/ shared origin) Languages, with surprising consequences to this day (e.g. "Iran", the name of a modern nation, is derived from the word "Aryan"). Hitler's Fascist/ Nordic "Aryans" were a fantasy-fable invented in the final period of European Colonialism; they NEVER existed & shld only be found in a comic-book. Getting the two versions confused seriously misleads everything coming into contact with it. For the record, Indo-arians almost certainly had dark skin, hair & eyes, with no blue-eyes/ blond-hair to be seen. GENETIC TRAITS ARE TRANSIENT & RADICALLY DIVERSIFY OVER TIME - THEY CANNOT BE USED TO INDICATE ANYTHING CULTURALLY SIGNIFICANT OR GENETICALLY SPECIFIC...It's just not that important, & changes very rapidly anyway. When so-called "Authorities" fall into this conflation-trap they not only undermine their own integrity, but far worse introduce insidious fallacies into people's thinking, such as Racial-dynamism nonsense &/or borderline murderous Social-Darwinism, Human-Eugenics & a whole host of other meme-viruses..."Apologia" based on "I'm right, you're wrong" Supremacist-promoting isn't just harmless idiocy from old cranks; this sort of thing actually gets real people hurt! And for what? Fairy-tales told by insecure little people desperate to pretend being something they're not! Shame on you all!
It's not a big deal, but when talking about the indus valley civilisation I think it's important to remember that it's in modern day Pakistan. Not India. It's just a minor thing that bugs me cause I feel like Pakistan always gets sidelined/ignored, which is unfair since I've visited and seen the places/artefacts/museums dedicated to Indus Valley. Most of the ancient indus valley area is in Pakistan now. (Also love your work, I don't mind if the indus valley civilisation wasn't the oldest, it doesn't matter)
@@sachinkapse110 Doesn't matter how old Pakistan is. The fact is that most of the indus valley area is now in modern day Pakistan. So it's a pakistani civilisation. Also your other statement isn't true. Arabs conquered the area of sindh first, which is in Pakistan. A lot of Pakistanis are descendants of Arabs, I am one of them. I have a lengthy family tree, I can trace my lineage back to the first islamic caliph. Yes obviously there are SOME pakistanis whose fore fathers were hindus (pakistani rajputs etc) but not all of us. My family has always been Muslim since the start. Either way it doesn't matter. Converted muslims are not considered any less. We're all equal.
@@tahiranaveen there is no word as Pakistan before 1947 😒and it's not Pakistani civilization.. and you people have identity crisis ...Arabs or islam.did not even come before 1400 years ago..indus or hindu civilization is thousands of year old.. You r simply delusional 😒
@@sachinkapse110 I know Indus and Hindu civilisation is thousands of years old. But most of the modern day pakistanis are descendants of arabs. Arabs migrated here, conquered areas and started families. Most pakistanis are their children/descendants. I am not talking about Indians right now.
@@sachinkapse110 doesn't matter if Pakistan's a new word or an old word. The current reality is that it is a word now. It is a country now. Look at the present.
Sanskrit was the English of old times. People who bring it studied things and write things down and obviously evolve Sanskrit by the influence of other regional languages. PS: this white uncle completely neglecting Dravidian language and culture show his northern supremacy complex(I'm northern too😅), though i remember him saying sothern/south nationalists at the beginning 🤣
Found one Indian who accept logic & reality against political agenda. I guess Whatsapp university ruining India. There is a big difference between religion & science. One u believe no need proof, another ask evidence.
No it doesn't seemed that South Asia where it begins, i think it started in many places at a time, India may be a part of it, but it's contemporary of Mesopotamia, Egyptian, and Chinese civilization of Huang he river.
28:40 In another video you said R1A has more diversity in India but this may be due to massive population in India. Here you say R1A has very less diversity in India. Which one is it?
I like your explanation of DNA of migration individuals it would be nice if you could do a complete work of all the migrations of all the civilizations how they coordinate with each other only a historian would be able to map all this correlation out and piece of a puzzles together of the new data of the r1a and other genetic traits.
For that we'd have to test a lot more people. It's not too affordable for most citizens as of now. As more testing centers open up, it would become cheaper and hence more people will be able to access it. As far as privacy goes, I'm not too comfortable with the government having access to it.
My man you are taking all of the things he is saying separately and combining together, for example colonial European exerted power based on Christianity. And the Nazis had completely different ideology, they both used this discovery to justify there own prejudice. Secondly indian or Atleast learned Indians will never say vedas are religious text. You can’t compare vedas to bible, bible explicitly tells you who to pray and what to do, vedas don’t. They are more of historical records. Thirdly you are again looking it from a western perspective. Plus the oldest civilization in the world is in fact Indus Valley civilization.
Not all people who says indus valley civilization is oldest civilization are hindu fundamentalists.. Because there is not a single evidence of their dietis from that era.. There was no hinduism that time
AT 09:50 you are again misrepresenting him here clearly. Frawley is talking about how Europeans did the comparative studies of Indian history using their own European methods of interpretations and linguistics to come to a conclusion that because there is resemblance with old folk literature of Europe then Vedas must have been developed in Europe or central Asia and brought in or imposed on the people of India. Then you concluded this is a Frawley's negative portrayal of outside views, they are foreign and therefore yukky. seriously how do you not understand plain English here. Sorry to say but your interpretation is completely false & misleading and your arguments are flawed. What he is saying is exactly what Europeans did in the past. your opinion is that we must not talk about what Europeans were doing and should conveniently avoid talking about it? Like after wiping off human race after human race from american continents, Australian continent - we must call them European settlers.
Every point that Frawley makes in his talk serves a rhetorical purpose. He isn't just giving a neutral history lesson. His goal is to debunk the Aryan Migration Theory. He himself would acknowledge this. Each point he makes is designed to achieve that goal. What I am saying in my video is NOT that he should never speak about such things (I acknowledge in the video that much of what he says is true), but that he is deliberately making it sound as if present-day scholarship is in some way the same as colonialism and should be considered a foreign imposition.
@@WorldofAntiquity Aryan Invasion theory is a false theory which is proved wrong by every discipline of Science including Archaeology, DNA studies, Astronomy, Oceanography, Climatology, Potamology etc. If Frawley says that then he is absolutely right. still the west is not coping up with this fact. read my commentary on that below. Interestingly now Genetics is giving a really good view of human migration. Mitochondrial DNA analysis gives a god evidence of how Human migrated out of Africa and settles at various parts on the cast of India and then started to move out to the rest of the world. Because west still do not accept it - they ignored it and started working on the y-chromosome which again is indicating something very similar. There is no doubt in saying that Human civilization started in India. There is more than sufficient evidence to support this claim. Westerners have nothing of the sort to support that it started else where. Lets close this comment here since you did not address what I raised in the original comment.
Rahul, you do not get to close comments just so that you can have the last word. I am permitted to comment on my own video comment threads. The two of us agree that the Aryan Invasion Theory is false. That theory has been dead for decades, and scholars do not believe it anymore. I recommend you study not only the evidence of mitochondrial DNA, but also the evidence of patrilineal DNA on this subject.
@@WorldofAntiquity As I mentioned earlier, 20,000 years old evidence of agriculture presence is found in Indian subcontinent. Several disciplines of science have tested and proved the existence of Indian civilisation older than 20,000 years old. This claim will stay until a new evidence is found else where in the world. Until then this is the best claim that west need to accept and propagate to people as they propagated the fraud of aryan invasion dogma.
@@giridharm5598 we are the oldest classical civilization still exists in this morden world bro go and study about our history and you will know who we are
@@mahi4281 nobody knows what is exact history, while some are documented, many are not, I have read and seen history documantary on tamil, but I don't see simmalirity in words between tamil or telugu and tamil or Kannada, but telugu and Kannada are both related, so I belive telugu, Kannada and tamil are all equally old
@@giridharm5598 tamil is older than Telugu and kannada , Telugu and kannada are form of mixed language of Sanskrit and tamil, the Tamil script which we are using now is morden tamil script, the oldest Tamil script are still exists please do your research correctly and deeply
This guy looks like a refugee from the age of aquarius, of whom there were many who rushed off to India to follow some guru and find nirvana. Most wandered back home and became insurance salesmen, but a few are still clinging to the myths and mysticism they hoped would bring order to a chaotic world..
David Frawley is showing how ridiculous the European colonialist view was. You are trying to ridicule Frawley by saying that the Western view has changed, but he is right on the history and You are wrong, because You are mixing history with current view.
@@WorldofAntiquity Sorry but nothing he is telling about the attitude and belief of the "scientists" of the Colonialist era is wrong. You are making the error to apologize the historic Racist view of the Europeans by telling that current scientists are not like that. That doesn't change anything about the history! In our times the Colonialism is packaged in pseudo-ideologies like "climate change", "environment protection", "saving the planet" to plunder the people in Africa, Asia and Latin-America. Nothing has changed, except the wording.
@@enkidugilgamesh *Sorry but nothing he is telling about the attitude and belief of the "scientists" of the Colonialist era is wrong.* And as you know from the video, I agreed with him. My only point was that it was irrelevant. *You are making the error to apologize the historic Racist view of the Europeans by telling that current scientists are not like that.* I don't follow your logic. How does pointing out that current scientists are not like that "apologize the historic Racist view of the Europeans"? They are not even connected. *That doesn't change anything about the history!* You're right. None of it has anything to do with ancient history. That is why Frawley had no need to bring it up. *In our times the Colonialism is packaged in pseudo-ideologies like "climate change", "environment protection", "saving the planet" to plunder the people in Africa, Asia and Latin-America.* What are you even talking about? And what does it have to do with ancient history?
@@WorldofAntiquity We understand our present and can project our future if we know about our history! Based on that, the history of Colonialism, Imperialism, Racism and Eugenics is not irrelevant. It is more prevalent than ever. Only the wording has changed but the impact is much bigger. When You say "They are not even connected." this means only that You are intellectually unable to see the connection. When I say "That does not change anything about history." I don't mean that history is not relevant, but Your perception of the present does not change the real history. I assume that You are unable to comprehend when I would explain the background of "climate change", "environment protection", "saving the planet". Let me shorten it like that, the targets of Eugenics are pursued, but the argumentation is packaged pseudo-scientifically as "saving the planet". That means decimating the humanity to save the natural environment! The plundering is going on in a much larger scale like during the colonialist era. If You are interested in historic documents, You may read following key documents: Before talking about Climate Change, learn about Geophysical Warfare by Climate Control! Large scale climate engineering is applied since 1960! CIA, 1960, Memorandum for : General Charles P. Cabell, Subject: Climate Control geoarchitektur.blogspot.de/p/cia-1960-memorandum-for-general-charles.html Here is the pseudo-scientific transformation of the wording. How the Geoengineering Scam began in 1965 by turning Geophysical Warfare into "Protection of Environment"! LBJ, JFK! "Restoring the Quality of Our Environment!" geoarchitektur.blogspot.com/p/how-geoengineering-scam-began.html
@@enkidugilgamesh *Based on that, the history of Colonialism, Imperialism, Racism and Eugenics is not irrelevant. It is more prevalent than ever. Only the wording has changed but the impact is much bigger.* Many people say this to me, but not one of them has ever explained how the theory of Indo-Aryan migration in any way propagates colonialism, imperialism, racism, and eugenics today. But maybe you can be the first. Start explaining! These blog articles by a conspiracy kook are interesting, but neither of them even mention ancient history.
Complains about poisoning the well, spends first ten minutes poisoning the well, that's as far as I made it, too bored to go further, because the bias was already on display. But let's continue and I'll let you be the judge, after I already let you know that I feel scorn for his ideas.
18::49 "There are always going to be dishonest actors" I take offence at that! Errol Flynn was just misunderstood and Russell Crowe was....well, he is a Kiwi on second thought.
It is very difficult to be objective and neutral when it comes to Indian history and civilization. The comments is a prime example. It feel that most western scholars and historians have not quite understood the complexities or nuances of Indian culture or history but on the other hand many in India appear to be too eager to come to the conclusion that ancient Indian civilization was something so great that they are willing to sacrifice objectivity and reason to reach that conclusion. That may be from an insecurity in coming to terms with the not so glorious recent past. In any case the result is that the world had not been able to appreciate the real achievements of the Vedic or Indic civilization
We are Indian so no one will agree 😂
@@malayasthana3412
Well u call urself Malay, so why do u say “
We Indians”😅
@@Alephkilo 😂haha Malay is also a mountain in Indian and I am from U.P.
Ab Hindi me hi baat kru to hi manengi aap!😁
@@malayasthana3412
Ohh ok
@@Alephkilo and Malay is a proper Hindi name . In vandematram song the 3rd word is Malay😉. How can u say that malay is not Indian?
god if only we knew how to decipher the indus valley language. i feel like being able to read that would paint a much clearer picture of what beliefs came from india and which came from central asia
@@philipthomas3938 nice, a schizophrenic post!
He commits every sin he accuse frawley of, he presents no evidence until much later, he poisons the well by making accusations regarding motive. While frawley is pointing motives of colonialists which are not in question considering as they literally propagated the idea of white man's burden, he one accuse frwaley of being a Hindu supremacist without evidence and completely acquits western academia of Racism which is again laughable notion if you are even remotely aware of the writing produced in western universities in the field of "indology". He shows no quote where Frawley claims other people are inferior.
He then misunderstands a point of Frawley by stating that applying western model of understanding to Indian texts is valid. This is a supremacist view point if there ever was one, every language and culture has it's own model and writing style by interpreting a people's writing through a different cultures yardstick the resulting understanding would be flawed. So I am sorry to say in your biased thinking you have completely missed the point he was raising. His point was western scholars interpret Indian texts through a western cultural lense rather than through an Indian cultural lense which is whom those texts were written for. Let me give you an example to make it simple, it would be like an Indian watching a westerner call his parents by their name and then make the assertion western culture is immoral and decrepit because there children disrespect their parents by calling them by their name. In India calling your parents by their name would be a gross insult but no so in the west. I hope that example helps you understand the point better.
He also conveniently omit the part where there is no physical evidence for this alleged precursor language of the so called Indo-European language tree... Second you say Indo-European language theory has come under no "serious" challenge... this statement again ignores the reality that most academia is dominated by Westerners and by leftists who are ideological committed to these theories and in propagating narrative of white supremacy and oppression etc.
Additionally if similarities between languages Indian language and another language means that they are the result of common ancestry then can you please he explain how Korean and Tamil both have so many similarities. Even the word for mother is the same. Tamil people look nothing like Koreans and are South Indian. Why is there no theory of Indo-Korean language tree? Or Indo-Korean people? Completely giving a pass to colonial origins of these theories which have almost no evidence backing them is the equivalent of giving a pass to Nazi race theories. Incidentally colonialists ended more lives than Nazis but since the skin color of the dead was different colonialists are not considered as bad as Nazis by westerners.
Vedas are an attempt to decipher the pre-flood world by a post-flood civilization. But the Puranas are our Itihaasas/history. The flood happened 15k bp during the younger dryas event according to star positions in Manu's story. After the flood, There were the snakes/nagas & there were the eagles/gaduras who although shared same paternal ancestry were the dasas(slaves) of the Nagas. Then they revolted and conquered the four directions (even upto eastern euro) with their 2 headed eagle emblem which became the emblem of Sri Vishnu who was the patron lord of the snakes and their ancestor. Which is why you find that emblem from Egypt to sumer, iran to euro. Many North Indian people like the Jats claim Naga lineage, while the south Indian kingdoms have the gandabarunda, two headed eagle emblem. They have a broad-er nose base meeting into a sharp and low beak like end and close-r set eyes like a bird of prey. Now you know why the euros who stumbled on it in India did everything to hide/distort it
I had some interesting information about it as an interview of person from India. He had very different approach in deciphering it. What he said about it is definitely a possibility considering the Indian culture and traditions. I'll share if I am able locate it.
@@cgtim3230 👏👏👍
Short answer: No
Long answer: Yes and no. Civilization started in different places on their own. Civilization started in India the same way it started in Mesopotamia, Egypt, Mesoamerica, the Andes, or the Yellow and Yangtze Rivers (plus other small regions where civilizations of smaller size appeared).
To point to a single place and say that civilization started there would be a *very* erroneous thing to do.
I think he referring to ancient history where one group excelled in recording things in writing and hence complex lifestyle emerged like trade, wars, politics etc. Humans were in every part of world around 15000 BCE (which we have evidence of from archaeological discoveries) it can go back to 20000 BCE years.
But when it comes to recorded history, it only started when sumerians gave us the cuneiform. And phoenician the alphabets.
Indo European languages.
It doesn't matter how advanced were the civilisation. If they had poor documentation capacity which the Egyptians and sumerians excelled at.
While IVC had complex societies living even larger than any civilisation at the time. It still was a large settlement and not a proper kingdom until the Chariot riding steppe people called "aryan" came. Which gave us the vedas and they were 1st orally transmitted for years before they were written into manuscripts.
The Spitzer Manuscript is the oldest surviving philosophical manuscript in Sanskrit,and possibly the oldest Sanskrit manuscript of any type related to Buddhism and Hinduism discovered so far.
The calibrated age by Carbon-14 technique is 130 CE (80-230 CE).
So documentation came thousands of years late to Indian subcontinent and most of them a source from other civilisations.
In that terms the African and middle Eastern civilisations were more advanced. In warfare and governance too.
From where the people like Sumerians and Assyrians come? According to the Historians History of The World, they came from India, and that view was supported by the Curator of the British Museum in the 1930s.
It's utterly ridiculous to me that our model of history proposes that agriculture was invented independently on almost every continent over the last 10,000 years.
We can simultaneously believe that humans have been "biologically identical" for the last 300,000.
No changes in our biology, but for some reason, we collectively decide to settle down and make "civilisations" in the final 3 percent of our know history as biological humans?
We're missing most of the picture
@@dipakbose2677 are you really relying on someone from the 1930's for an answer? Cause that's just stupid. Sorry but it is.
@@PriceyTomato and u somehow completely neglected the fact that except stone, everything rots in the humid weather in India including manuscripts. So maybe the weather of the region has something to do with the missing manuscripts, add to that the fact the Muslim invaders burnt the library of Nalanda and other important libraries of the past so a lot of useful knowledge regarding IVC or indic civilization must have been lost. Your argument centers around "hey we don't know much about earliest Indian civilization, they couldn't have been that advanced even if they developed the first drainage and public sanitation systems in the world"
I would love to hear that civilization begins in india , but not at the expense of evidence against it. As always love from 🇮🇳
If you read old testament it will tell you civilization began in Canaan. Every nations formative myths claim that the gods blessed the nation's people with land and civilization. And then they tried to fit all their neighbors into a framework that centered around them. India is no exception .
@@ArrowBast Nope, Old Testament has it that Civilisation began in Mesopotamia, so it agrees with scholarly consensus on that issue because if you read the book of Genesis, it says clearly that the Garden of Eden was watered by the rivers of Tigris and Euphrates, neither of which currently flow through Canaan but Mesopotamia.
If you are an atheist attempting to say that all religions/religious texts are nonsense, that is your call but nowhere does it say in the book of Genesis that Garden of Eden where Adam and Eve were created was in Canaan, that is a strawman argument, so just clarifying that point for you.
@@carolusmalleus1243 The garden of Eden state is not a civilization - its before that. A state of bliss without the sinful nature of civilization - aka unfair trading practices, weights and measures, conceit , deceit , trickery and treachery. Humans were probably hunter gatherers and subsistence gardeners who lived off what God provided . I will agree that the best fit for Garden of Eden is somewhere in lower Iraq and Iranian Khuzistan . But you cannot deny that the Book of genesis tries to fit all humans as somehow descended from Noah , but on occasion some are attributed to descend from Adam . And then again you have some text that claims all are descended from 12 tribes of israel ( which is part of Canaan) . So the Book of Genesis is actually everywhere on this subject. Other religious texts are no different in attributing all humans originating within a self referential framework and describe themselves as the purest and the other folks as degraded ones owing to some violation of laws , oaths , taboos.
@@carolusmalleus1243 Christian missionary spotted
@@techsa2675 To your seemingly harmless rhetoric likely filled with hate, mockery and contempt in the background, I would say - of course, how can I not know my Bible well?. I read it everyday and I love my Jesus more than life!
Let me help explain, lot of text in India is based on local dialects, not everything has come out of Sanskrit and Vedas are not alone source of truth. Sanskrit was one of the most sophisticated version of languages used then. There are lot of diverse dialect in Indian sub continent and origins of that are still to debate and not clear. History has been biased on cultures and predominance. Things should not be viewed as a country here, rather how cultures evolved with time in a particular region. Though texts have revealed that science, medicines, architecture and trade were more prominent in this region and had their own forms prior to imperialistic invasions and were not properly propagated to help west agenda to systematically showcase supremacy . This caused a huge damage and loss of knowledge and further enhancements on these skills.
Rg veda may be the first knon written book of knoledge. But pure knoledge existed long before this book. Original knoledge is distorted and deviated in this book... So Rg veda can't be considered as true veda. People ignore this truth .
K. P. Michael.
@@michaelkp5390 on what basis do you say that Rg Veda is NOT a true veda? Also, you are correct that the knowledge of truth already existed. Actually that's the thing where you people make a mistake. As we are taught in Hinduism that Ved Vyasa only COMPILED & SEGREGATED the Vedas and not author them. That's a huge difference. It were the different male and female Rishis who got the knowledge and contributed to this event of noting it down.
@@michaelkp5390 thing is vedas and other scripture before bring in written form were being passing through stories and narration I.e. vocal ways... Not in written form. It was latter complied by saints...
@@omthakkar7801 You may be right. There was a controversy around the time the Vedic knowledge was committed to paper by those who maintained this knowledge orally - or the Srauta traditionalists. They felt that committing it to paper would - to use a modern metaphor - expose their knowledge to copyright infringement. They preferred to carry the knowledge with them orally.
@@krishnanunnimadathil8142 More likely it was written down but due to the Indian climate and age, the books became fragile and fell apart making the ancients realize that an oral tradition should survive.
The anti-intellectual movement in India is gaining strength and pseudo-historians are louder than actual historians and archeologists in this country. I really wish to thank you for your work of sticking to facts and good research and not leaning into flights of fancy or self-congratulating lies that our dear pseudo historians make. I hope more of my countrymen watch your videos with an open mind, and realize that no matter how comforting pseudoscience is, it's not worth paying attention to. Also that major publishing houses stop calling unqualified and untrained people "historians".
Yours is a very uneducated comment and surely proves that you are a champion anti-intellectual and pseudo-historian. And the heart sign from 'World of Antiquity' certifies that he is no better.
The anti-intellectual stuff is pretty much the modus operandi of the "western world" by now, corruption is in everything.
do you not respect their differing opinions?
@szymonbaranowski8184 If their opinions are not based on facts but rather politics then no I won’t.
Well we studied aryan invasion theory in cbse history book in late 2000s..still the whole Dravidian politics in India moves around that North Indian invaded India around 1500BC and pushed the Dravidian people to south who are presently South Indian people which is utter bullshit. So yes, Islamo-communist historians did propogate Brit’s divide and rule history to further their political agenda
Sometimes this guy disproves people's arguments I didn't even know existed
Thank you for this video.
Here in India, it is difficult to form a rational opinion about these things. After Independence (may be even before), there has been a big push for Indian traditionalistic views. IMO, a lot of over-correction has occurred in our minds and it is difficult to disentangle fact from fiction.
First video of yours I am watching, and I like the structured way of your response. Keep up the great work.
The person behind this channel is certainly a White Supremacy apologist.
he can't accept the fact that the type of History on which whole Academia of Western Scholarship is based upon is being Challenged and their lies are being exposed.
Come out of you "whatever the west say is Best" thought process.
Ah Malayali
Are you from srm university?
He is talking bs India is the first civilization because we are in India not because we are superior because of geography and fertile land and resources and We are at the centre of the ancient world
I agree. Misinformation about Indian history is so rampant it is extremely difficult to find objective and academic data.
15:25 actually what he said is right to understand that one must look from British point of view. Starting from Thomas Babington Macaulays point of view of changing Indian education and similarly boosting divide and rule and till this day that thing has not changed in India and rest of world.
Why we still study North up-ward and south downward...
The all Indian have same DNA wether they are from north and south
@@spacescout1457 there’s more genetic diversity in India than any other place other than Africa where humans came into existence (though this might not be true anymore with the recent colonialism)
@@spacescout1457 Yes, Most of them have common DNA but also there is diversity in DNA which little different in appearance.
Macaulay is the man who destroyed india more than anyone. Becz he takes out indianess from indians.
@@starship3812 not really, only those who are stuck in the past care about that stuff.
He's probably using "Marxist" as a general (pejorative) term for people that ascribe to the view popularized by Marija Gimbutas that the Kurgan /PIEs were a violent patriarchal culture that invaded or subordinated what were peaceful, egalitarian cultures. My understanding is that this view was embraced by some Marxists because it lined up well with their ideological beliefs about the state of nature and ideal classles societies. Of course this "Marxist" viewpoint doesn't have to be remotely true for the migration theory to be true, so it comes across as invoking guilt be association.
Ah, interesting. Thank you for the background!
@@WorldofAntiquity this opinion is gold. It's exactly like this in Indian universities.
@@WorldofAntiquity I think that by Marxist he specifically means historians like Thapar, D. N Jha and S Irfan Habib
The Indian Marxist movement had Heavy links with the pan Islamic movement of the late 1910s , they were never true Marxists ,in the sense that they were not atheists/religiously neutral but only wanted to ensure Russian support for the ottomans
For example one of the earliest of these pseudo Marxists, Maulana Hasrat Mohani justified killing infidels as jihad in the moplah massacre (Gandhi supported such attrocities )
The(pseudo) Marxist movement in India never grew out of its Islamist roots , some of these people were active players in the partition of India
And when individuals with such minsters were appointed as historians and history curriculum guides , they started to mess things up
To justify Islamic iconoclasm they latched on to the Aryan invasion hypothesis, you of course mentioned in the video that the Aryan invasion hypothesis is discarded, rather there was coexistence , the reason this theory gained traction in the first place as I've learnt from reading "the mythical massacre at mohenjodaro "by George F Dales is that historians are obsessed with flashy climatic endings, in this case they made up theories of violence where there wasn't any violence
These historians also used quasi mythological texts like divyadana and rajtarangini and non contemporary texts like huen tsang to propagate myths of Hindu - Buddhist violence in ancient India,
Completely ignoring contemporary archaeological evidence and contemporary writers like song yun and dharmaswamin, who unlike huen tsang didn't write hearsay accounts (Huen tsang wrote hearsay accounts of sashanka and mihirakula persecuting Buddhists while song yun actually visited mihirakula, Huen tsang wrote that Mihirakula was a shaivite, this account is used by historians like Jha to prove that Hindus killed Buddhists, but Song yun wrote that Mihirkula was an atheist )
You take a look at modern india you'll get an idea of what I'm talking about , the situation is horrible, liberals would wish merry Christmas to Christians and Eid Mubarak to Muslims, but post obscene remarks and pictures especially of Hindu goddesses, a far left group even distributed pamphlets calling Durga a prostitute,then there's a right wing response to it equally abhorrent, screaming slogans of Hindu Gods in front of Muslim processions ，something similar occurs in historiography the rule of Delhi sultanate and the Mughal empire is glorified, while fake accounts are used to throw mud at ancient Indian history , in reaction to this there's people like David Frawley who're absolutely moronic as well
What I mean to say is Indian historiography is stuck in a deadlock between right wing morons who believe that there was internet in Mahabharata era, and anti Hindu Islamists masquerading as communists,
@@SaintMeeksDontevERgetup You know more about the political situation that I do, but of the three scholars you mention, only Habib is a Marxist historian and identifies as a Marxist. Romila Thapar was instrumental in the dismantling of the Aryan Invasion Theory. Your other accusations, such as that "these historians also used quasi mythological texts" carry no names, so I have no idea who you are referring to, but I get the impression you are lumping everyone together.
@@WorldofAntiquity romila thapar said the yudhister of mahabharat left his throne by inspiring from ashoka. timeline doesn't match . how is this possible?
39.26 it’s claimed by the narrator that Rig Veda has many non sanskritic names of plants, animals and rivers. As far As I know river names and mountains are most resistant to changes even after a new population and language takes over. I would like to know which pre sanskritic names of geographical features like rivers, mountains are mentioned in Rig Veda. Could the narrator also mention some pre sanskrtic names of the dasas as mentioned in Rigveda?
Hi Birupaksha. From what I understand, place names ending in -wari or-wali or -musa are not Sanskrit. Foreign tribes such as Kikata and Pramaganda are not Aryan. There are also a number of presanskritic farming words (tilvila, phala, pippala, khala, langala).
More information can be found in this article, pp. 21-27.
www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/EJVS-7-3.pdf
@@WorldofAntiquity These names you mentioned most likely are the eastern Munda languages where as Sanskrit or proto-Sanskrit originated in the kashmir and Indus region.
You also see Dravidian language family in south.
and Tibeto Burman language family was also there in far north and north east areas mainly in Himalayas and the foot himalayan areas.
This argument is no good for India where as stated above, four language families co-existed.
But there are NO non-Sanskrit words in the Indus Valley region or Saraswati Valley region or western Ganga/Yamuna valley. This goes against the argument that Sanskrit arrived and replaced local languages where as nothings non-sanskrit exists in the Sanskrit area.
@@myquantumstate2668 How do you know where these names come from? I would like to see the linguistic evidence.
We know of more than 500 languages that have gone extinct in the world. There were probably many more that we don't even know of. Just because a language is no longer spoken in an area, that doesn't mean no other language was ever spoken there. Languages get stamped out all the time.
@@WorldofAntiquity The loose argument of that many languages could have existed does not prove it. Thanks for making that point for yourself.
The word Kikata come from far east and is the old name of Magadha, which was in present day Bihar state and usually identified with South Bihar.
The Sanskrit or Rigvedic area is the Indus, kashmir and western Yamuna/Ganga Valley as I stated in my comment.
The name Parmagandha is the king of Kikatas, whose name is connected with Magadha = Pra-maganda
As stated in my original comment. The Sanskrit or proto-sanskrit area of Indus & Saraswati Valley region has NO non-sanskrit names for rivers or animals etc.
I will give you the benefit of doubt as you just referred Witzel without confirming it first.
World of Antiquity and Pramaganda is not Sanskrit really? It is the name of king of kikatas which is another tribe.
Only because the kikatas were fighting Sudhas so that make them non-Aryans as per Witzel. Well this seems like a scholarly work.
Since when Arya is a race. The tribe already have names such as Sudhas, Purus, Anus, Drihyus and Kikata are also same like them. Just because Sudhas are more Noble men it doesn’t mean that their race is now “Noble” Arya is not a race. This is the biggest flaw in this whole thing to start with.
About the other words
Phala = profit or reward or fruit
Pippala = pippal tree it’s 100m away from my house.
Tilvila = fertile
How come these are non-Sanskrit.
I understand why Witzel has such a bad reputation among Indian scholars.
We should give him a Noble prize and Witzel will call it “Arya” prize and may reject it because he is not aryan race. I am just using Witzel’s logic though. 😅😁
Great work the way you are dispelling misinformation in the comments answering point by point, subscribed!
Thanks and welcome!
@sayem Why don't you first start dispelling misinformation which is being given in your madarsas? Oh I forgot madarsa chaap graduates like you are not supposed to discuss logic and evidence. First go and stop the radicalisation being done in your community and then try to educate others. And also try to read history out of your holy book where you have got brainwashed from.
Just because a racist says “Group X never invented anything,” doesn’t mean Group X invented everything.
(Basically, I’m commenting for the channel’s algorithm.)
Says the bunch of White people who call Sub Saharan Africa as stone age. You are not Greeks or Roman.
Just saying india is not a race.
@@ravenxrgaming4672 True, but irrelevant to the comment. The European historians of the past that Frawley refers to were motivated by racism to deny the possibility of technological and cultural advancement among the peoples of India. Ie saying India never invented anything. Frawley and people like him are now arguing that all civilization came from India. Ie India invented everything.
@@pearcat08you just reiterated what the original commenter said
I appreciate your patience in going through a responding most of these comments. It takes a dedicated amount of effort to sit down and rigorously engage with pseudo-science/history.
White racist worldview is the real pseudo-science
@@GEOARKADIA Please provide any source if you think their narrative is false or pseudoscience. I am an Indian and Sanskrit being completely indigenous is wrong. There is a mother language Proto Indo Iranian which gave birth to Vedic Sanskrit in India and Avestan in Persia. Your claim of sanskrit being indigenous doesn't explain how persian and indian languages are similar.
@@user-xn2hc5it8q the area which is called Satpsindhu Himalayas is the place from where indigenous Sanskrit originated. The Parisian area is attached to it so it's very natural that language and content of Jindavesta and Rigveda shares some similarities as they both shares the same or adjacent Historical area from where's they both originated. So in overall the proto indo Iranian language was indigenous and so is the case in Sanskrit and Parisian languages separately , both are indigenous languages more or less getting affected by each-other and other different languages in the course of history.
Hi
Y'all this link debunks with details Aryan invasion theory and shows a pro Out of India theory
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I have a this discussion quite frequently with religious Hindus in India and they lean towards the conception of the Vedas as eternal, that Aryan Invasion Theory is debunked. And that Dravidians are not a real thing. Despite me believing in Vishnu, I don’t deny Aryan Migration theory which I considered different to the Aryan Invasion theory. I also don’t deny the evidence of linguistics, history, archeology, or comparative religion. I believe in seeking truth, as opposed to accepting things on the basis of a guru, authority or particular academic. I study the writings and decide based on critical thinking and experience.
The religious beliefs of Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and Sikhism respectively have to an extent a root in the religious traditions of the Indo-Aryans who migrated from Central Asia into South Asia through the Khyber Pass in the Hindu Kush mountains within Afghanistan and Pakistan respectively and would first establish the Gandhara grave culture and would also later intermingle with native cultures of South Asia and ultimately give rise to the Indian or "Dharmic" religions I just mentioned previously but they still retain some elements of the ancient religious beliefs of the Indo-Aryans.
Exactly it's so nice and refreshing to see a Indian specially a Hindu that I've come across who is talking logically. No offense to all hindus obv, I'm just talking about pro hindutva ultra nationalistic ones who will declare there fellow Indians as "desh drohi" if they deny BJP induced viewpoints or ideological propaganda narratives.
Love history. Your channel is an excellent source. I have a class each month where I let the students pick what topic they want to learn about. Your videos are on the list of acceptable topics. Keep up the good work!
The students will learn government lies from this guy lol. He denies the water erosion at the sphinx and pretends there's no way ancient people used advanced tech to build shit we can't, because "The books say so".
Don't be a follower, think for yourself and ask.
Hahaha
..your students rely on this chap's videos? This sensationalist stuff? Oops! I wonder what's happening to their brains.
@@alexandergerolimatos4682 Hahahahahahahahahahahaha 😂
@@alexandergerolimatos4682 - One could the exact same thing about you.
Would love if you would just make a video laying out your position and take on the Aryan invasion rather than packing it in within a response video :)
I probably will at some point.
@Antares And how do you know this?
@@WorldofAntiquity because aryan was not an race . Where is the proof to claim it was one ? Arya in Sanskrit means noble personality . It was basically used to address a highly ethical person or one that has some stature in society .
@@WorldofAntiquity you should check on some of the valid researchers work rather then a religious person like David . I would suggest you look up for modern research like Nilesh oak , who do muti -level study . Like astrological , astronomical, archeological and scriptural evidence is looked up for before putting forward his work
@@preethishetty6179 "scriptural evidence" generally isn't actually evidence. Like, at all.
I was always interested in Oppenheimer quoting ancient Sanskrit relating it to the invention and use of the atom bomb that he was involved in. Are you able to talk about these texts....how old they really are and the translated meaning. Is there anything to what he was quoting or is it just a point he was trying to make/get across about how dangerous these weapons are?
I hadn't heard about this, so I don't know what texts he was quoting. There are quite a lot of Sanskrit texts, written over a long period of time.
@@WorldofAntiquity FYI
As he witnessed the first detonation of a nuclear weapon on July 16, 1945, a piece of Hindu scripture ran through the mind of Robert Oppenheimer: “Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds”. It is, perhaps, the most well-known line from the Bhagavad-Gita, but also the most misunderstood."
These weapons were nuclear weapons because the ancient Indians documented nuclear fallouts and radiation. Similar to what has happened in our recent nuclear history.
Mohenjo daro an irradiated ruin with ground turned into glass intense heat etc etc ancient nuclear wars mainstream academia does everything it can to hide
Oppenheimer quoted some lines from Bhagawat Gita
I have one comment about the migration map you show at 16-17 min. In the paper it says path taken to migrate into India is not clear. Why? - We are already told that
"Sarasvati has also been identified with the Helmand or Haraxvati river in southern Afghanistan, the name of which may have been reused in its Sanskrit form as the name of the Ghaggar-Hakra river, after the Vedic tribes moved to the Punjab.
To be consistent is not necessary to provide Genetic evidence along the same path. Or it is ok to say linguistic migrations happen thru Afghanistan and Genetic migration happened thru SWAT valley.
Linguists claim that the word like Bija(seed) is picked up in BMAC complex by migrating Aryans. No genetic evidence in BMAC that they passed thru it? (Paper says migrations bypassed it). And once Aryans reached India, Indians started to use farming related substrate Aryan words by abandoning earlier words? Which model explains this?
Linguistic and genetic movement are not identical in most cases. People learn languages that are different from what they may consider their ethnic original language all of the time.
peoples don't even know who aryans are
@@404Dannyboy I did not get what do you mean. it may happen does not mean it has happened.
The whole premises is IE language was introduced in India thru large scale population movement into India. That is the reason- Earliest Indian texts are dated to match the movement of people.
If you are proposing IVC people learnt new language (for trade may be) on their own - then at least dating of Vedic texts has to be adjusted accordingly.
And researchers acknowledge there is no concrete proof yet. Here is quote from Vagheesh M. Narasimhan paper additional material -
Modern Indian Cline is a mixture between a point on the Indus Periphery Cline (the ASI) and a ghost population that once existed on the Steppe Cline, which we haven’t directly sampled but which we hypothesize existed in the Late Bronze Age and Iron Age in northwestern South Asia (but not in the Swat Valley which is the only place that we have extensively sampled). We predict that individuals from this population will be found in future ancient DNA studies.
@@404Dannyboy Individual persons might learn primarily due to curiosity and secondarily due to their job. However, most common people don't learn new languages or adopt new words unless circumstances force/encourage them to.
There are many theories regarding the collapse of the IVC. I recently read about one of them. It said that the civilisation was dependant on another river apart from Indus which was rain fed and it dried up because of a gradual change in rainfall patterns. In other words, climate change was blamed to be responsible for the slow death of the big urban centres of the IVC. It said that no evidence has been found regarding a large scale military invasion around 2000-1500 BCE. Also to account for the extremely mixed genetic makeup of modern Indians, it said that that was probably the result of more peaceful mixing of cultures and migrations from West and Central Asia due to the IVC's mercantile culture. It is quite plausible as there have been several instances of migrations from those parts even during peace times for thousands of years after that. Persians, Greeks, Scythians, Kushans, Huns, Arabs, Turks, Mongols. Even the Ahom kings, who ruled most of northeastern India had their origins in southern China. So even though no evidence has been found to support the AIT, it is still a bit rich to assume that the Indian civilization is pure and has had no outside influence.
No outside influence!!!!???? Really!!!!
India is the most culturally mixed Culture on earth. I mean not by modern time.
There are some major cultural branch Austronoid, Dravidian, Vedic, Santhalese, various hill tribes, Different eastern indian culture. This region was historically rich & very fertile. So many many invasion & migration throughout history from Aryan Greeks muslims central asian to latest european.
@@sandy29tu I think you should read my comment properly and, more importantly, slowly this time. Especially the last sentence.
@@rjrastapopoulos1595 Yes the last one. Pure & no outside influence!!
If you come to contact with another culture specially ruling class, there will be huge influence. See British influence in India.
bullshit
@@rjrastapopoulos1595AIT? you mean Aryan MIGRATION theory? Genetics have 100% verified that as a fact. Its indisputable at this point
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17:43 You would've known that it was an Indian archeological team that FOUND THE EVIDENCE which was credited to British archeologist.
European didn't sought it out.
British and Indian archaeologists both sought out this evidence eagerly.
@@WorldofAntiquity you know india is weird all indians are not Hindus and they hate Hindus that much that they can change their fathers rather than accepting what's truth
Like I said a fake white christian expert.
@@WorldofAntiquity bro why is it so hard to find the actual truth sitting here in india 😥how do i know what is the truth of aryan migration
i dont mind whether it happened or not considering how much we have mixed even during colonial period and after world war globalization we r all one family.
also btw isnt it possible that the cities in both sumeria and indus valley be older than what they really are. like they have been rebuilded over time and artifacts were broken since its clay? since egypt sumer and indus valley have almost same range of carbon dating almost between 5000-5700 years old and have neolithic site as old as 10000 years (except egypt maybe we may discover some after) isnt it possible that someone among the 3 started with small settlement and neolithic people in other 2 places adopted these things in few years maybe like 100 years or so and then they gradually growing sharing technology with each other.
@@sonups8483 ceux du ciel descendu vers la terre ont aidé l'humanité à plusieurs endroits ! Toutes les civilisations antiques parlent des même ""dieux "" qui n'en sont pas! En vérité !
"A single polity is what spreads languages!"
(Laughs in Koine)
It's interesting that there were parallel developments in India and Greece in both archaic and classical periods: in both cases, you have city states with various subcultures united by a common cultural and economic network, worshiping the same Gods to different capacities, speaking the same language.
So the same people ruling both societies ... Buddha was a fair hair and skin blue eyed prince of a nobility sharing those features 2500 years ago despite the popularized versions of relatively recent times... just as the Greeks were of the same fair physical makeup
@@philipthomas3938
Bs, no where in indian, Chinese etc texts say he was blue eyed or blonde. How shameless you have to be to lay claim on someone's else culture as yours. Typical white supremacists.
No way, Indian antiquity goes further far back . Indians saw Greeks and Romans starting building in front of their eyes..
@@rahulpaturkar1425 how? were they using the most powerful binoculars ever invented?.... Indians were building cities as far back as 3500 years even this biased youtuber doesnt dispute that but you cant accept it why? Hate Hinduism that much or hate all of India?
Yeah who rules has no effect on the spread of language.. tell me again why English is the most spoken language in the world?... it has nothing to do with British being most successful colonial power? How many people today speak Welsh or even Scottish... I get that you are biased and want to reject everything frawley says but really some using commonsense would be good...
Thank you for this! Much appreciated
40:45 Not to say I agree with his argument, but I do have to point out that creating languages has become a hobby and source of gainful employment in the modern era. I don't think I'll ever get paid for it, but I've been working at constructing a language intermittently for a few years now, pretty much just because I feel like it.
I met the guy who created Dothraki.
@@WorldofAntiquity O.O
He's practically my idol. His book got me into it in the first place!
Tolkien referred to language creation as his "secret vice."
There are many far worse vices one could have.
@@Great_Olaf5
Tolkein invented several.
{:-:-:}
I love conlangs!
OMG! I was just thinking about this very subject just before i checked my you-tubes.
My timing seems to be right! :)
@@WorldofAntiquity can you show evidence of migration of so called aryans?
@@themaskedman5954 See the references in the description below the video.
@@WorldofAntiquity articles from The hindu,pathetic article by kai friese of India today,scroll.in
I had already read the idiotic article of kai friese
I don't trust politically motivated leftist medias
@@themaskedman5954 There are plenty of scholarly articles cited. Do you need help finding them?
You are very hard on Dravid Frawley. Please go through the out of India theory based on linguistics and archaeology.
Rig Veda is oldest book of not Hindu but for the world also.
Glad to see all your videos adhering to the scientific method. I am an applied mathematician from India and I love history, but it is saddening to see pseudo-rationalist ideas spread. At least someone's there to question them! Thanks for your videos.
Thank you for taking on this topic. The disinfo is so hard to sift through.
why did you belive the next disinfo?
The question is why the invasion theory at 1st proposed?
That’s an important question for late 19th - early 20th century history, but not for ancient history.
As someone who studied linguistics, even just as an undergrad, the way Frawley talks about languages is full of value judgements, e.g. Sanskrit is "more sophisticated" than European languages, that no academic linguist would make.
Oh, and if by "more sophisticated", he means that it has more complex inflectional morphology than most European languages, then I would like to introduce him to the modern, non-Indo-European languages of Finnish, Estonian, Hungarian and Basque, all of which are "more sophisticated" than Sanskrit by that measure.
First, its not Sanskrit , its samskrtam. Next, Do you have any knowledge about samskrtam?
If so tell me in what way the above languages are more sophisticated than samskrtam?
@@soorajvasu2714 um, they explained what they meant clearly, in that the languages they listed were more sophisticated, meaning having a more complex morphology, than Sanskrit. Oh, sorry, samskrtam... 🙄
the indo-European languages and the cultures that spoke them created civilizations that were more sophisticated, more successful, and more widespread than the other languages you mentioned. these are just facts, and in no way am I implying anything but that they are different. or that these differences were always this way in the past or will be in the future.
I'm also not sure if civilization was started in one place and spread out, or sprang up independently in various places at various times. but the Indian civilization was one of the greatest, first or otherwise.
I have a feeling that civilization, or at least human developments to lead to civilizations will be found to be much older than I was taught at the end of the 20th century. there are songs that sing of ancient times, when bread was first invented, back in the early sumerian times.
@@MaryAnnNytowl Sanskrit has the most well defined grammar and the most wide variety of words. Do not compare some Euro languages as similar to Sanskrit. Cope. Mud House Dwellers.
@@chickenslayer2119 well, "Chicken Slayer," I don't know what to tell you other than the definition of "well-defined" doesn't really come into play with language. _Things_ can be well-defined, _people_ can be well-defined, _places_ can be well-defined, but a language? Not really. It's not a _definable_ noun, except for the definition of the word language, itself, as basically being a verbal or written tool one uses to communicate ideas and concepts.
The takeaway is, go wherever the evidence leads, no matter how problematic or unproblematic it is for you.
Really love your channel! Your knowledge is extensive, your style is entertaining, and your editing skills are impeccable. All combining to produce extremely consumable content! Thanks bud, keep up the hard work as your channel is destined to blow up!
Thank you so much!
@@WorldofAntiquity Thanks for making video on this topic🙂. Can you talk about the fact that Sanskrit literature of India talks about river Saraswati which existed before the migration of Aryans. Isn't it supporting the fact that Sanskrit originated in India? And what about the proofs found in Sinauli village of India?
@@rudra957 most of theories like Aryan invasion made by non Indian or western people are just theories based on similarity between Indians and west not on evidence based researches... So it's inconclusive.
@@rudra957 sinauli doesn't prove Aryans are indigenous to india..sanskrit came from Russia ukraine areas..
@Akhand Bharat comparative study of sanskrit and European languages like Latin, Greek, Russian, Lithuanian etc prove that sanskrit has a strong connection with them..there are numerous words in sanskrit that are cognate with European languages such as numbers 1-10, words for family members etc..so sankrit is a European language..
I truly believe it is a good idea to be doubtful of the conclusions of colonial archeologists and historians, especially those of the 19th century and early 20th, in terms of their conclusions about non-white cultures......but you do that by going back to the archeological record, and you look at it with science and build your interpretation on that. You don't do that by leaning head first into fundementalism.
also--Marx was an economist and philosopher why would anyone value his particular interpretation of Indian civilization as fact when he's talking about economics not history. And like, if he's talking about dialectical materialism as a methodology, SAY SO.
The reason why many of the conclusions of colonial archaeologists and historians are no longer held to be true is because archaeologists and historians questioned them. No idea that is at odds with the evidence is safe.
If you read Indian history the criticism of Marxist interpretation would make more sense.
There is a prevalent reading of Hinduism and Hindu social order from Marxist lens. Marxist peer review circle has created a historical narrative that doesn't hold up to a data based reading.
These historical narratives still inform policy formation in India, which it certainly should not. Only rationalism and data based decision making should be accepted.
@@WorldofAntiquity it's not about the archaeologists and historian questioned the colonial mindset academicians but did the questioned facts came into existence or did the colonial powers just limited them to the pure academic world and keep continuations of the manipulation in the history in public domain for their petty gains. And as @A Correctly pointed out very well the same manipulated facts or policy of distortioning the history was carried out by Marxist left inclined historians till the beginning of the 21st century. If one doesn't understand the historical-political background one can't justify Or establish the "purity of academics " in isolation as u r trying to do, I'm really sorry for that.
@@parveenchahal1 *did the questioned facts came into existence or did the colonial powers just limited them to the pure academic world and keep continuations of the manipulation in the history in public domain for their petty gains.*
I don't know what you mean by "limited them to the pure academic world." There are no private academic clubs.
*the same manipulated facts or policy of distortioning the history was carried out by Marxist left inclined historians till the beginning of the 21st century. If one doesn't understand the historical-political background one can't justify Or establish the "purity of academics " in isolation as u r trying to do, I'm really sorry for that.*
Global secular scholarship has no interest in the concerns of any one country or party.
@@WorldofAntiquity 1. Pure academic world or private academic club represent here- the new development in understanding the history were stopped intentionally to reach the public domains where the history actually belongs to. 2. It's not about what the "global secular academia" thinks, it's about what role it is actually plying in the Life of the people concerned. It's like a double edge sword, the old theories which are already rejected by the " global secular academia" are still taught to the public by some political party or "secular" socialistic propaganda machine, needs to be rejected again on a public domain not in a kinda " private academic club". I hope now you understand that what I'm saying is the background , which will help you in understanding why someone is rejecting again those theories which are for you "gone cases", the "global secular academia" is not concerned with the people or the politics, if they don't know how to reach in the public domains is a serious matter because they will not understand what role is their research is playing in the Life of the people, they can be misused.
I find whenever people have bias's either religious, ethnic or cultural that it does colour their view point and we must take them with a grain of salt. The irony of Dr Miano criticizing the colonialism for twisting their view point and not recognizing his own is not lost on anyone here. The sad thing is India is one of the cradles of civilization, and is recognized and respected as such today. I have studied Harappan civilization and it has an old fantastic culture but going on ours is the first or Mesopotamian is the first or Egyptian the first is kind of stuff I expect from kids in high school arguing which is better Nintendo, Sony or Xbox. Mesoamerica is also considered a cradle and so is the Yellow river basin. The Mesoamerican cradle was the most recent one does it mean it's inferior or influenced by the others? No definitely not. All it shows to me that each cradle went from a neolithic culture to slowly urbanize and and organize from rural villages to towns to urban environments kind of an evolution. Mesopotamian did not make Egypt nor did it make Harappan culture. The same can be said of Biblical Archeology, they based their findings on the Bible and went looking for clues, instead having clues on archeology and this still colours people view and have given it a bad reputation that slowly been reforming itself.
I agree with what you say, which makes me confused as to what you mean when you say I am twisting something.
@@WorldofAntiquity I am so sorry, I am an idiot, I mean to say David Frawley is confusing, I copied the wrong name in my comment and didn't realize it.
One more thing I like to bring up about David Frawley made the comment he didn't believe in the Aryan invasion. Was there an invasion? I don't think so, but we don't know (please keep in mind it's been 25 years since I read into the Indus Valley Civilization) The Harappan culture ended around 1800~1700 BC. There wasn't a destruction layer as one would expect to see as you find in some sites of the bronze age collapse. The Rg Vedas are believed to date 1500 to 1000 BC. You can't categorically say there is no invasion, but you can't say there was either. There is a theory of climate change forces the people of the Indus Valley to leave that location and later on people were migrating and moved into the area which does in my opinion pass the smell test but I think there still alot of studying needs to be done. I understand people wanting to be proud of their heritage and the Indus Valley is one of the great centers of Civilization, it's a great thing.
@@SunnyE_Mechwarrior Ah, I misunderstood. Thank you for clarifying and for sharing your thoughts.
Tout ceçi est très sensible et humaniste ce qui me fait penser à Jésus Christ: tendre l'autre joue... ( création judeo chrétiens en la personne de Paul de tarse saul de son nom juif) c'est l'occident qui a tout occulter tout hégémonisé tout asservit!? penser être légitimes en pointant du droit ceux qui veulent rétablir la vérité !!??? Comme il est mentionné dans la bible, l'armaguedon est à notre porte et il s'agit de l'accepter qui mènera certainement une extinction peut-être la 6ème !!? Et peut être aussi que l'humanité comprendra ses erreurs..mais j'en doute car les commentaires montrent un certain agacement au changement de paradigme qui dérange! En oubliant ou feintant la réalité des misères, des morts, des violences,les extinctions de peuple le travail forcé perpétré par l'occident a tout controler, penser que l'occident pourrait avoir le même comportement avec les cobras que les indiens( les protéger malgré les risques...!? L'occident est le demon de ses égrégores et de prés ou de loin, les défenseurs des ces pensées, vulgarisées,standardisées!!
The more I watch your videos, the more I feel like you are an apologist for the nonsense of years past, especially since defending the views and the prejudices of past historians and anthropologists only serves to fuel them and their flaws even further. To say that overall historians have completed shifted their thinking in the main regarding anthroplogical study is to ignore the fact that we still talk about these ideas and couch them in language like "race" et. al, rather than changing the narrative and rather than representing a true paradigm shift in the thinking about antiquity.
Nonsense of years past? I make considerable effort to make sure the information I provide is up to date. And I don't know where you are getting the impression that historians and scientists still use words like "race," but that certainly is not the case.
7:19 To suggest that Europeans didn't have ulterior motives regarding what they propogated and how they propogated in India leads me to genuinely suspect YOUR understanding of the topic at hand, Sir with all due respect, it's been heavily discussed with Proofs that intentions of European Historians ALL OVER THE WORLD was to create an Idea of European supremacy in intellectual thought and as the Superior race.
I think with your claims of Historical knowledge and understanding you wouldn't make such claims of," Ohh we shouldn't do psychoanalysis of the European Historians"!!
The only arguments that poison the well is the one you made.
Hmm. I say in the video that Europeans in colonial times probably did have ulterior motives, and scholars were no doubt affected by that. But historians, archaeologists, geneticists, and linguists today, from India and all over the world, don't follow those old theories anymore.
@@WorldofAntiquity alors comment expliquez-vous l'attitude de zahi awas l'Égyptologue,devant tant de contradictions, de chercheurs serieux et scientifiques !?
@@WorldofAntiquity They do follow these theories. What are you talking about? Literally AIT is taught in schools here
20:20 Okay, I'm facepalming hard. Class has nothing to do with "race". Race is how people are perceived over a few easily visible genetic traits such as colour of the skin, shape of the head and colour of the hair. Class is the social position of a person. What Marx claims (and marxist theory holds) is that there is a conflict of interests amongst the various classes, for instance a factory owner wants to have a bigger share of the profits while the workers want higher wages (thus decreasing the owner's share of profits).
Personally I don't care who came first, it's irrelevant. Most people don't care about the place or who they were , but they want the truth. The history is important and interesting.
we are all mixed genetically by now anyway.
there’s lot of us that wanna kno where civilization started..
@@MrPrav76 Yes, or what they were like before, how they lived and how advanced they were but too often do ego and pride interfere with the truth. Its a constant battle that every group faces.
I am Indian born and living in India, but tbh I do not care where human civilization began. When I look at the universe, when I look at the picture "The pale blue dot" it makes me just feel something which I cannot explain, it's something my mind cannot comprehend. Like is are we living in an atomic world???? Sun's and planets are like nucleus, protons and electrons,,, we know that 99.99% of space inside of an Atom is EMPTY, so is in our universe. What are we living in,
Also he...he does realize that there were Ancient Indian Atheists and Rationalists, as well as the fact that Vedic Texts differed within regions and different texts had different philosophies, right? Also, outside of the Gangetic Plain, and especially South and Northeast, the Vedas weren't really important during the time called the "Vedic Period".
The issue with the society is that pseudoscience (glamour) travels faster than reality..
Keep going friend 🙏
Aryan invasion theory was science whe n nehru ji wrote -discovery of India.
I think truth travels slower than lies
@@LS-ql4wp - "A lie will fly around the whole world while the truth is getting its boots on", Mark Twain, published in "Standard player monthly", 1918, Volumes 3-4, Standard Pneumatic Action Co.
His whole preface, which is based on distrust of science, is very similar to that of flat-earthers. It's a genetic fallacy. Also, southern Mesopotamia isn't exactly "the west", is it? So, it's not so much a bias in favor of Western civilization, but a bias *against* the Indus civilization. That victimhood mentality is also prevalent in flat-earthers.
Ignore the theories perpetuated and still being followed of an Aryan Invasion which caused massive divide in India. Sure. Keep living in a fallacy.
@@chickenslayer2119 I mentioned the genetic fallacy. Which fallacy have I committed? Or are you just repeating words you see?
Giving a name "flat earthers" on anyone who doesn't agree with your premise is childish.
@@phoenixj1299 It's my synonym for pseudoscientist. Don't trigger, please, sir.
@@OAlem apologies for triggering you .
There is a lot of chest thumping by a new generation of proud indians(read mostly hindus) brought up in tune with the nationalistic agenda of the current indian government. A sense of humility and even handedness is visibly absent in these new revisionists who are working hard to expose the injustice meted out to them by oppressive regimes in the past. These wounded woud-be world conquerers(if not for the mean mughals and the evil brits) are on a roll right now blissfully oblivious to the fact how history will judge them in times to come.
Hey clown
Indians did have great kings
Thanks for the time you spend to make history fascinating
My pleasure!
@@WorldofAntiquity ur video seems completely trash 🗑 😒.
Why does people see everything as black and white.
Ur entire topic talks about language and a right wing idiot no mention of detailed city evidence of carbon dating delta values.
Ur sub shows ur knowledge
Regarding indias influence in western culture its better I start a channel to explain things to u dear. Now I have exams write. Sorry to bother u.
@@eliotanderson6554 What carbon dating delta values are you speaking of?
@@WorldofAntiquity of the Indus and Mesopotamian cities compare most of cities most are around 3000-3700 bce
@@eliotanderson6554 They weren't cities at that time. Only towns and villages.
UA-cam is recommending me your old videos and I'm good with that 👌 💯 🍿 👀
As a Sanskrit scholar for decades, and a trained archaeologist, there are so many grains of truth in Frawley’s analysis, It’s worth examining them in detail. Frawley has his biases, which distort the textual evidence, but he is right to question the eurocentric views promoted, often unwittingly, by western scholarship.
He is not a trained archaeologist.
@@WorldofAntiquityonly a trained Vedic Scholar can reply to this
Unfortunate is the fact that the library of Alexandria was burnt by Julius Caesar, destroying invaluable texts which would've helped us decipher vast tracts of history. Similarly, Khilaji invaders from Central Asia burned the Nalanda University in the Indian subcontinent at around 1200 AD, which was said to be the oldest University in the world, standing for centuries. Along with it was burnt the hundreds of thousands of leaf bound manuscripts and books on numerous topics ranging from astronomy, medicine and matter to warfare and spirituality.
Just imagine the amount of knowledge these libraries held.
Exactly! Apparently, Nalanda burned for days. It pains me to contemplate our loss.
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Yes
Platonic academy is Oldest University not nalanda
@@logohub1234 lol kid! no Nalanda is the oldest! but not the surrviving one
I m Indian.
And agrees with your video.
Lots of lost knowledge..
And instead of filling the gaps in knowledge everyone is using these gaps to fulfill their agenda ...
I want who were indigenous people of Indian main land before Aryan migration.
Where did they come from.
I didn't find any authentic literature on it ..
Can you guide..
Please 🙏
Thank you for great videos..
Humbled by your efforts
@nimeshkachhela5086 - There are links in the description section - under the video window to the left. There is a logical fallacy many Christians in the USA use when there is an as yet scientific unknown, or they don't like the science that applies, called "God of the Gaps" that I think applies to what you are saying.
Great video! Thanks for creating this!
Man I was hoping for something on Dwarka... You nevertheless made an excellent case as usual! Ever consider a law career back in the day?
Look up Atlantis and Jambudweepa's descriptions, concentric seas, 7 islands, 9 kingdoms, mountains on the north, oblong plain in the south surrounded by two coastal mountains in the east and west and even the length and breadth of the central island! India used to be called Jambudweep/berry island! But how can India be an island? Unless sea level was at least 200m higher, which apparently it was according to Exxon Petroleum company's past sea level calculations! Now go check out Indian peninsular mountains and plateaus & river valleys. Plato's twins Atlas and Gadeirus or was that Arun and Gadura? Gadura did launch a campaign upto Euro!
The flood happened 15k bp during the younger dryas event according to star positions in Manu's story. After the flood, There were the snakes/nagas & there were the eagles/gaduras who although shared same paternal ancestry were the dasas(slaves) of the Nagas. Then they revolted and conquered the four directions (even upto eastern euro) with their 2 headed eagle emblem which became the emblem of Sri Vishnu who was the patron lord of the snakes and their ancestor. Which is why you find that emblem from Egypt to sumer, iran to euro. Many North Indian people like the Jats claim Naga lineage, while the south Indian kingdoms have the gandabarunda, two headed eagle emblem. They have a broad-er nose base meeting into a sharp and low beak like end and close-r set eyes like a bird of prey. Now you know why the euros who stumbled on it in India did everything to hide/distort it
@ArmanAditya Basu if history is very old then it becomes mythology. People in the next 1000 years will not believe that there is a language called sanskrit.
@ArmanAditya Basu mythology isn't history, so how came they discovered Dwarika under sea?
Yes career in law would be great because in this profession u must be a best liar 😆
The History of Humanity is never going to be fully clear to us in the Modern World, but, we should not jump to conclusions out of emotions, always support data and evidence based theories.
What did he even mean at the beginning when he said Sanskrit was more "sophisticated" than German or Slavic or Romance languages?
I have no idea!
@@WorldofAntiquity it's more evolved, its known as a highly phonetic language, that means each syllable is more utilized, but like Ancient Greek, and other dead languages no one speaks today
I think he’s referring to the grammar rules of Sanskrit which are algorithmic, and the the various codified linguistic rules of its poetry.
@@hdthor That doesn't make it clearer. What is "algorithmic" grammar? And what about the codified linguistic rules of its poetry are different than all other languages' codified linguistic rules of poetry?
@Anand Sharma Those are all great things about Sanskrit, but none of them have to do with sophistication (a high degree of complexity).
Just because views are abandoned does not mean we don't talk about them or the damage they may have caused. They remain secondary sources.
That's true.
And this guy's claims are only scratching the surface -- from there, you get the Ramayana literalists claiming that Sigiriya and the Adam's/Rama's Bridge are artificial and thousands of years older, or the Tamil nationalists claiming credit for ancient Angkor, Champa, Borobudur, and even South & Central America, and then there are the ancient alien people like Tsoukalos and Mohan who will jump on any theory they can. Hard to keep them all straight.
Really looking forward to Part 2!
I totally agree that there were different centers of civilization. It would inappropriate to say that all stemmed from one. This is what I have been trying to tell believers in an advanced lost global civilization about.
Baseless claims are always there. Such as British clonialists trying to fit entire Indian Puranic and Vedic cronology in the period post Noah's flood. The evidence of this is in the public domain.
It is disastrous when scholarly concensus is biased and is citing those references.
William Jones writes "Either the first eleven chapters of Genesis are true or the whole fabric of our national religion is false (The gods of Greece, Italy and India, Asiatic Researches, Vol 1; 1788 p225)
Max Muller - the great western translator of Vedas say (in a letter to Duke of Argyll) "I look upon the creation given in the Genesis as simply historical" oxford feb 4, 1875
1. This is the guy British gave sanskrit dictionaries to translate Hindu Vedas.
2. Be my guest see if you can use dictionary to even find meanings of classical sanskrit verses, let alone Vedic Sanskrit.
These are the people being cited again and again in the current times by western scholars.
Linguistics - Then they constructed an artificial language called Proto Indo European (PIE) - they commited an academic dishonesty that used only Sanskrit to construct this artificial language. When Srikanth Talgeri pointed it out, linguistics completely refused to even provide answers, let alone refuting it.
This dishonestly also occurs in genetic studies. For example the geneticists added the people of Andeman islands into Indian genetic models with south Indians to create an artificial gradient and concluded that ASI and ANI are different. The moment you remove the Andeman people genetics data. You dont find different betweem ANI and ASI. People of Andeman stopped mixing eith indian about 40-50,000 years ago. This is called acedamic dishonety to fudging the data to make it fit a certain narrative.
Then we have this Narmada man whose skull was found in central Indian state of Madhya Pradesh. Paper published by an american scholar AR Kennedy assigning this Narmada man is an "early homo sapian" based on his cranial capacity of 1155-1421cmcube. This evidence esserting that not only Indians lived in the subcontinent but they rather evolved in the subcontinent.
Then precision tools found in India which are 185,000 - 350,000 years old.
Western scholars say Homo erectus dissappeared about 600,000 ago and homo sapiens came to India 85,000 years ago. Then who was making these tools? - again the published evidence is ignored to be discussed in the public domain and did find place in western narrative.
We have found pottery inscriptions in bed dwarka, which has been decoded as transital script between indus script to Brahmi script. - again published evidence ignored by "scholars"
Mool dwarka city under the sea near the coast of Dwarka, Gujrat is found to have been submurged under sea at the time around 5550+- 30to40 BCE. it is the same mentioned in Mahabharta which got burried under the sea some years after the Mahabharta war. Vartak and Nilesh Oak both by testing 300+ astronomical observations which were recorded in Mahabharata found the 16 Oct 5561 BCE to the first day of Mahabharta war.
How interestingly these two disciplines of science prove the dating of Mhabharta. Again ignored by western "scholars"
Indian Valmiki Ramayana talks about two pole stars at each pole. Abhijit pole star (Vega) at North pole and Agastya pole star (Canopus) at the sputh pole. Anyone can go and check, these two stars Vega and Canopus were both pole stars at around 12,000 BCE.
Then RigVeda talking about the grand status of river Sarasvati flowing beautifully from himalayas to ocean then it talks about river Satluj started to seperate from Sarasvati and started to turn west, then Satluj competely stopped feeding saraswati, then monsoon fed sarasvati river then Saraswati completely drying up. These life stages of Sarasvati river can be found in many different sanskrit texts like Vedas, puranas, ramayana, mahabharta. Manu papers have been published asserting that Satluj started seperating from river Sarasvati around 18-15,000 yeats ago and completely stopped feeding Sarasvati around 9000 years ago. Sarasvati being a grand river around 20,000 years ago confirmed by studying the Ghaggar Hakra paleochannel which was course of Sarasvati river. Snakdrit texts even mention that Sarasvati flows between Satluj and Yamuna. Which is ehere the paleoochannel is.
What I mentioned above is a drop in the lake of evidemce we currently have. Apparently - western narrative is still stuck in the Aryan Migration Theory. By the way, where does the word ARYAN come from? Any single evidemce of this word ever existed in any world language?
Rahul, the good news is that nobody today believes in William Jones' and Max Muller's theories. Isn't it a nice feeling to be able to let those go?
As for the other things you mention, there are several incorrect claims you make:
1. that linguists reconstructed Proto-Indo-European only from Sanskrit (not true)
2. that "precision tools" were found in India that were 185,000-300,000 years old (not true)
3. that a city near Dwarka was submerged around 5,550 BCE (not true)
Can you please provide me with the numbered verses of the Sanskrit texts that speak of the Satluj separating from the Sarasvati and turning west? Thank you.
@@WorldofAntiquity
I will quickly give you some information on published papers. I can't talk too much given my time constraints.
A new revolutionary DNA results of Rakhigarhi women - An Ancient Harappan Genome Lacks Ancestry from Steppe Pastoralists or Iranian Farmers - very interesting paper and invalidates many of the earlier hypothesis.
www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(19)30967-5
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Construction PIE language - you should read the works of Shrikanth Talageri. I cannot explain here. We all know that how linguistics relate to political and Identity issues. Indo-European languages are a fact but the claims of origin in PIE are false as per the Indian scholars.
This is not something I can explain in a comment, you should read Talageri's work, some other scholar have also worked and much more work is happening.
Now a lot of work is happening, good thing is that there is so much advanced scientific tool available to help figure things out. For example the use of modern astronomy tools to go back in time and find out when the 300+ astronomical observations of Mahabharata were recorded and when 600+ Astro. observ. of Valmii Ramayana were recorded. Isn't it fantastic? that how you find nearly 1000 astronomical observations in Indian epics, which are not even the texts on astronomy. Let alone other proper astronomy texts. I am very curious to see how again and again you have completely ignored this fact of so much astronomy in Indian epics. Rather I would be very curious if it was western ancient epics containing so much astronomy observations.
2.
The tools found in the India 350kya - 185kya (please refer to the article and it also contain the link to the paper published in Nature) www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/02/01/very-old-very-sophisticated-tools-found-in-india-the-question-is-who-made-them/
Narmada man (an Early Homo Sapien) - about 250kya
journals.lib.washington.edu/index.php/BIPPA/article/download/11291/9931
3.
5550 bce was for the black sea rise in level. Below is more specific evidence for Mool Dwarka, It was mentioned by me as a corroborative evidence to the dating of mahabharata and the events mentioned in it. One of the even is the destruction and flooding of Dwarka (not present day Dwarka) on the cost of Gujrat (present day state) There are many published papers to support the destruction and flooding via the Seismology and Sea level rise in the 6th millenium BCE. This is a corroborative evidence
bioone.org/journals/journal-of-coastal-research/volume-29/issue-6a/JCOASTRES-D-11-00147.1/High-Resolution-Seismic-Stratigraphy-and-Current-Induced-Bed-Forms-in/10.2112/JCOASTRES-D-11-00147.1.short
rise of sea level in the arabian sea - about 10+ metres in the 6th millenium BCE
Seismology record of 5540+-130 years as per the paper published by Kusala Rajendran of Indian institute of Sciences about the Gujrat area coming to the dates of a major earthquake. Again this corroborates with the dating of 5,561 BCE for Mahabharata as proposed by PV Vartak during 1990s and Nilesh Oak of 2010.
There are many more published paper which are corroborative to the 5,561 BCE dating of Mahabharata.
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River Saraswati is no longer alive is fact one - it was the Ghaggar paleochannel - please read this paper. It gives you a life-time timeline of Sarasvati river.
www.nature.com/articles/s41467-017-01643-9
I don't have enough time to collate the information here but would summaries briefly. When I have time, I would love to collate information and may be put that together in a blog or something :)
The descriptions of Sarasvati from Rigveda refer to evolutionary geographical history of river Sarasvati - a river that was considered the grandest (on all counts - river, water, divine status) that flowed swiftly from high mountains all the way to the sea, which continued to flow in later times however was deified and identified with ‘goddess of speech, intellect and such’ to being one of the rivers (as opposed to the grandest river, Rigveda 10:75) based on the most recent/latest portions/content of Rigveda. Where river Sindhu (Indus) have Grand status and Saraswati is just one of the rivers.
Its not only Rigveda but Ramayana (12209BCE) and Mahabharata (5,561 BCE) describe the state of Saraswati river that corroborates with the contemporary state of Saraswati river. I can't write all that here.
P.S. You only said "not true" which is rather a convenient response than informative. I would love to read any contrary published papers.
@@WorldofAntiquity By the way if you are interested. read Shrikanth Talageri.
talageri.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-full-out-of-india-case-in-short.html
Feel free to ask him questions regarding his research. I am just one person who agrees with his claims depending on my personal multidisciplinary approach of analysis.
For Archeoastronomy read Nilesh Oak and ask an expert about his work and his claims and his multi discplinary corroborative evidence.
nileshoak.wordpress.com/
Lack of DNA evidence as there is only DNA of one person makes it hard to make an accurate judgement about indus valley and also lack of understanding of indus script.
I am loving your snarky historian videos. Modern nationalistic revisionary history is a blight on humanity.
Nationalism will survive. Take your Neo Liberal nonsense else where. Globalism is a fucking curse.
one thing you dont realise that AIT was itself fabricated by for european supremacists and nationalists
Aryan inversion was based on Nazi nationalistic narrative. And then rest of Europe continued it. Just make Europe centred narrative just like how Europe draw world map where Europe is at centre of world and specially England is in centre.
Aryan inversion is complete myth.
@@chickenslayer2119 Jewels of words spoken. Truly these neo liberal multicultural secularist wokes are a curse to society.
@@andyvivek1826 inversion invasion ... what did high caste /Royal (Hindu) like the Buddha look like physically?
I'm begining to think this guy doesn't really know what Marxism is.
Many US Republicans find Marxists lurking in public schools, Hollywood, Congress and the White House.
Hollywood is pretty Capitalist. Neither Biden nor Pelosi is a raving Commie...
well when people fixate on class struggle over class cooperation, I immediately think of marxists scum.
@@zitools 😂🤣😃
@@kmaher1424 Be a lot cooler if they were
@@kmaher1424Marxist ideas exist within American culture though, especially in these institutions you mention. The current social issues around race, gender, sexuality, etc that you find in American pop culture are all just critical theory which is rooted in Marxism.
You might have heard of “critical race theory” which is directly nodding at Marxisms idea of critical theory.
At 10:10 you are interpreting Frawley as "What he calls outside methods is the generally accepted scholarly methods of studying civilizations. Instead Frawley supports reconstruction history through religious interpretations of Indian sacred texts"
OMG -
1. when did he say that?
2. Your western concept of religion does not exist in Indian culture or civilization or our ancient texts. Do not call our ancient texts as sacred texts because again we do not have concept of "sacred".
see you are again using your European concepts to interpret our texts and concepts.
In our texts and culture we have a other concepts - Bhagwan, Ishvar, Parmishver, Brahm, Parbraham, Parmatma. All these words are being translated as god by the westerner scholars and they are drawing their conclusions.
When your scholard do not understand the different between Bhagwan, Ishvar, Parmishver, Brahm, Parbraham and Parmatma, how can they come to a conclusion when they don't even understand the concepts. They conveniently called all of these words as god and made false conclusions.
Looking at your quality of knowledge and your poor interpretations, I am disappointed.
By "sacred" I mean simply that they are dedicated to a religious purpose and held in high esteem. Would you say that is an unfair representation of the Vedas?
Where do you believe Frawley gets his views that world civilization began in India after the great Flood, when Shraddhadeva Manu's ark landed in the Himalayas?
@@WorldofAntiquity I will discuss point by point.
1. In my original comment, please read - you did not answer my point 1 "when did he say that?"
I will take this as - No Answer - because every reader here will know that Frawley said nothing of the sort as claimed in your commentary in video - also as I pointed out in original comment.
You did not answer that so lets call it " No Answer "
2. I raised many other things in my original comment to prove " how west misinterpret and impose their concept while studying Indian texts - without understanding what is written in the indian texts" a very fair concern ( and also root cause of western misinterpretation) I mentioned the concepts of Bhagwan, Ishvar etc - but no answer from you.
You did not answer that so lets call it " No Answer "
3. You picked on word "Sacred". I went to Cambridge dictionary. Here is my answer to you another assumption of word sacred and how you think it is valid to Indian texts. It is not and I will prove that as following
3.1 To discuss the concept of "Sacred", I need to first clear the concept of "holy"
as per Cambridge dictionary - "Holy" means "related to a religion or a god" & "very religious or pure"
dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/holy
* concept of religion is western - concept is non existent in ancient Indian texts
* Indian texts are not considered pure
* texts are diverse in nature they have science, astronomy, mathematics. discussion on bhagwan, parmatma etc are merely a part of the texts not the main theme.
* Indian texts are NOT authoritarian and there are no commandments - texts are mere discussion between learned elders and keep record of thousands of years of history.
Conclusion - Indian texts are not holy
3.2 Lets come to "Sacred" now
dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/sacred
C1 - invalid (as we established above)
C1 - "connected with religion" - INVALID (as established above)
C2 - "considered too important to be changed"
surprisingly - Indian texts are a living text, they have been updated/edited many number or times, written by many different authors through the period of thousand of years. you can call the texts as encyclopedias - a fairly appropriate word but not strictly an equivalent. many chapters are as old are more than 20,000 years and some chapters are as new as 5000 years old and even newer. This applies to all ancient texts - vedas, puranas, upanishad, surya sidhanta etc etc etc
Conclusion - Indian texts are not Sacred
Lets close this comment - considering I did not went out of the scope of the original comment and your response.
I left out reading anything about Shradhadeva manu - because I cannot spend any more time considering your earlier responses. Its better I save my time.
A recommendation - you can not apply your standard methods because they fall apart when you deal with diversity of concept which are not considered while developing your methods.
I find it incredible that you are arguing that a series of texts (the Vedas), which are concerned with the proper way of conducting religious rituals are not connected with religion.
I thought you might truly be willing to have an honest discussion, but you seem to be concerned only with scoring points.
@@WorldofAntiquity "Religious" ? No its your concept, on valid on Indian texts. Indian texts are not sacred, not holy, word religion does not exist in it.
It contains vast amount of topics and historical discussion between learned elders.
Dharmic discussion forms part of the text. Text is not merely based on Dharamic rituals.
When translating into English, what adjective do you believe best describes these texts?
How amazing is it that when I try to find videos on ancient India, youtube recommends videos like this first. It seems like all of the channels with the most funding and that are favored with the algorithm all have the same view. How interesting!! Especially considering there are cities in the Indus valley much older than Uruk. The city of Bhirrana for example is thousands of years older than Uruk. The bias in this video is insane and your condescending tone shows what a real hit piece this is. How interesting is it that all of these videos by people like you all have one thing in common. They want to prove that ancient Mesopotamia was the oldest civilization. That's the real conspiracy. All of Frawley's views are quite logical. Especially that all humans decsended from Manu. It's quite bone chilling to read Roman historian Tacitus's accounts of the Germanic tribes in his book "Germania" when he reports that the Germans claimed they descended from "Manus."
You seem to be confused about when a settlement is founded and when it becomes a city.
@@WorldofAntiquity Early Mature Harappan period of Bhirrana started at around 4500 BCE. This is when archeologists say this emerged as a city. So this pre dates your own claim of Uruk emerging as the first urban development in 3700 BCE. If you want to go down the settlement route we can do that too, since Bhirrana as a settlement is probably at least 2 thousand years older than Uruk in that respect as well
@@adammead9287 Bhiranna urbanized in the Mature phase, around 2600 BCE.
As someone deeply interested in historical linguistics myself I found this one particularly cringeworthy. Not because your debunking wasn't successful, but because Frawley's argument was just so painfully bad.
@@broadcastwithatg5195 Done with your strawman?🤣🤣🤣
@@ronakbhadra6400 This straw man could be used to teach the concept of straw man! lol
Thank you for this work...much appreciated and much needed in this topic so full of obfuscations.
David Frawley is wrong when he said "there are no non-sanskritic place names in India". This claim is false. In south india and in West india, there are place names ending with suffix "ur", "palli" , "oli", "halli" . These are Dravidian place names not Indo-aryan sanskritic. Place names such as Bengaluru ,Coimbatore, Kollam, Irinjalakuda, kodungallur, ..Etc all are fully non-sanskritc place names.
If south India non sanskritic,Only dump people say entire place is non sanskritic ... Without sanskrit except tamil no dravidian language exist now ..
@@Agnostic7773 Who said entire South Indian places are non-sanskritic ? I said many place names in south are non-sanskrtic dravidian names such as Nellore and Guntur in your Andhra Pradesh. Nellore is completely dravidian place name and guntur too. Not only in TN, but also in Andhra, Telangana, Karnataka, and Kerala has dravidan place names.
LoL, when south indian languages itself have Sanskrit words and variations of those words
Please read about languages before coming to that conclusion.
David frawley has more logic than this guy.
@@sriramp5934The word dravida itself is a Sanskrit word. David Frawley's research is impeccable. You have to read his works. This author has an agenda. Don't fall for it. Do your independent research.
@@AS-zr9dg Dravida derived from the word a Prakrit word "Dhammil" it's a distortion of word "Tamil/tamizh" . The name of the language Tamil derives from the word "Tan mozhi" meaning self-expression . "Tan" means Self and "Mozhi" tongue or expression. Dravidian is pen name used by anthropologists and linguists to describe a whole group of closely related languages. I think you need to do your independent research.
29:05 in another video on abijit chavda u have said more diversity in the gene r1a doesn't mean it originates there..u contradicts ur own statement..
This one is older.
@@WorldofAntiquity Are you suggesting that there might be inherent biases in the way information is presented and that scientific arguments can't be dismissed based on their age? I'm interested in understanding your perspective because I believe in the importance of seeking the truth. Could you clarify why gene diversity is considered a significant factor in some scenarios, like supporting the "Out of India" theory, but not in others, such as the "Aryan migration" theory?
@@himanshusingh6988 *Are you suggesting that there might be inherent biases in the way information is presented and that scientific arguments can't be dismissed based on their age?*
Huh? No. I am saying that I made an error in this video, which I corrected in the next one.
*Could you clarify why gene diversity is considered a significant factor in some scenarios, like supporting the "Out of India" theory, but not in others, such as the "Aryan migration" theory?*
From one of the genetics studies I cited in the newer video: "Genetic diversity within a geographical area is a reasonable indicator of the age of the populations' residence in that area. However, it is also dependent on the effective sizes of populations, implying thereby that the assessment of antiquity may not be straightforward."
@@WorldofAntiquity Alright, thank you for the concise explanation, sir.😊
No disrespect idk how much you know about Indian history...aryan invasion was purley coined by linguistic basis (no archiological sites in india have found change in culture and habitation and mostly all archiological sites lie on the same lines of the vedic lands or land described in vedas)in vedas the founder of similarities among sanskrit,Greek,latin was William Jones in 1780 wheeler continued it and coined aryan invasion after finding of Harappa and mohenjodaro he said Aryans came and destroyed cities but he couldn't provide single remains of Aryans (i.e their weapons,where they destroyed in Harappa and mohenjodaro,what cattle the brought with them what kind of weapons they had etc ) but he just proposed in thin air and all accepted and later a proto indo europian language has coined who were thy which language they spoke it is even absurd they even cannot provide any archiological proof of proto indo europian (they are only depended on genetics, language).
1) u mentioned that there are more non vedic names in Vedas plz refer 'shrikant talegeri' he has clearly discussed about linguistic argument put up by supporters of Aryan invasion..(though iam not a scholar but one of mr.shrikants view is very correct i.e if Aryans brought veda from outside then why veda starts from central India to westwards logically if we go from point A to B we mark the things what we see from A to B not vica versa) in Vedas all rivers have the same name of today (some rivers have many names or changed due to many invasions but many have same all majority linguistis accept it the problem was only with saraswati river and geological finds shows that the river existed but due to earthquake the river changed its course and slowly the saraswati river get extinct but now the river beds have been found)
2)yes now people call it as Aryan migration theory but can migrants change the whole culture and language of a civilization?(the pro Aryan invasion ppl say that migration happned in small pockets) but no archiological evidence is there for migration i.e change in (material culture,food grain etc) but there are for others i.e Zoroastrian etc
3) recent dna study which was published in cell shows that agriculture was developed in india by the natives it has not come from other people.
4) dna from rakhighari (one of indus site) matched with 11 people who were outliers [Gonur (3) and Shahr-i-Sokhta (8)] which means indus people were travelling to those areas for business.
5) according to neeraj rai( one who was part of those rakhighari dna findings)r1a dna origins in india because it has a lot of diversity in india he is working on those paper so he said we have to wait for the papers to be out but he is 100% sure that r1a is indian earlier study's lacked dna samples he said that new 10000 samples are collected and analysis is in final stage..he further says we find steppe dna at 1200 bc (wait what avast of Iranians was 1500 bc so vedas must be older than that right no admixture in dna till 1200 bc vedas generally accepted timeline 1800 bc how?? Even that steppe dna is very low which cannot change the whole civilization)
6)Aryan invasion/migration theory is politically motivated. students still study it as invasion and on basis of that politics is played (some political people want to keep it alive to divide like the Brits used i.e aryan/Dravidian,brahmin/dalit.etc) AIC played a great role in colonial era to divide people in india i.e aryan and Dravidian.
7)Aryan invasion led to german nationalism which led to ww2.hitler was gathering all his ancestors (aryans) knowledge and was trying to construct weapons of distructon(i.e oppenhimer,einstine)
Iam not saying there was no admixture of people at all yes there may be how come u do international trade and don't have admixture in population or exchange of language but that doesn't mean that the knowledge Vedas have and the greatness of indus vally had, is brought by some white haired blue eyed person ..ty
Hi Rock King. Thank you for your thoughtful comments. Since you put in the effort to engage with the topic critically, the least I can do is give your 7 points a fair response.
1) I will look into Talegeri's arguments. Thank you for the reference. I do not believe that Aryans brought the Vedas into India, nor do I think most historians believe that. Their position is that SOME of the hymns of the Rig Veda had already been composed orally before entrance into India, but that most of the Vedas were composed within India. I talk about the Sarawati in my Part 2 video.
2) Historians today do not believe that the Aryans radically changed the culture of India. They believe only that they had an influence. That's all.
3) Yes, I mentioned this in both of my videos.
4) Yes, I am sure foreigners visited and even resided in the Indus Valley Civilization.
5) I look forward to reading the results of the new DNA study and comparing it with the others.
6) The Out-of-India theory has been used politically too. But that doesn't matter. How a historical event is used politically has no bearing on whether the event is true. For example, here in the US, people point out crimes committed by immigrants in order to further a political agenda to keep immigrants out of the country. But just because these events are twisted and used politically, that doesn't mean immigrants never committed crimes.
7) Yes, people have interpreted history for evil purposes. But see #6 above.
I should add that no historian today believes that the Aryans who migrated into India were blond-haired, blue-eyed Europeans.
Thanks for ur reply...as i said there is no archiological evidence what so ever which states that some buch of people came and settled in Harappan sites it is clearly siad by indian archiologist Dr Vasant Shinde (he also said that there are enough archiological evidences that show thet there is cultural continuity and the indus sites dates back to 8000 bc or so he even clearly said that the pots made by locals today are much similar to what the harappans used to do people use the same (traditional) agriculture techniques that were used to do in those time ) yes many people in India misinterpert out of India as everything is done by india i don't mean that what i mean and many of Indic scholars here belive that indus civilization had a good strong base in trade coz they traded many things with many countries and they have to be travellers and definitely they have met many people and they have left some imprint there and took some with tem including knowledge and admixture of population.that also dosen't mean some blocks of people came and persuaded local people to change their culture and religion etc (like the migration theory states)
1)i didn't say that we have found outliers in indus i said we have confirmed that the outliers burial found in saher e sokhta is of harappans that means harappans used to travel for trade (it proves the point)
2) it is generally accepted by scholar's that where there is many diversity then that thing may be native to that place i.e as apple is native to America coz Wu find huge variety of apples and as above u said for r1a that central Asia has most diversity do it belongs to central Asia (although i said in my above comment r1a belongs to india as per neeraj rai)but u r not ready to accept the same (saying quantity dosen't mean anything but as we all know to get knowledge we have to spend a lot of time and resources i.e money, it means that some people have spent a lot of time gathering that knowledge there is a simple misunderstanding among pro AIT supporters they are in a hurry that's why they say Aryans came and wrote all the quality and quantity of litrature in some centuries and changed culture it's not as simple as that some people were giving their precious time to think, what we call such people today scholar's oh yes and what requires to be a best scholar huge resources (money ease of acess to many things etc)yes sir quantity of litrature does play a huge role in a civilization it's not like litrature is produced in thin air like pro AIT theorists claim and we have to consider the time when these litrature are written considering that yes quantity of litrature definitely matters) conclusion for litrature there is no diversity in litrature (in indo europian language family as it is in india )not ony spoken language diversity but litreture too (most of the indo europian language are spoken in india)yes u may be right a small country like iseral write a whole bibel (the bhagwad gita itself 5 times larger than Bible and 10 times larger than odyssey) plz provide a place if u know where such huge diversity in language (of indo europian family has).the problem is that most Pro AIT people cannot provide archiological evidence and pin point a place of proto indo europian language..(it is comman knowledge that a lier always change his statement) i know that new evidence changes interpretation but not drastically(and additional info:the litrature we have today is just remains of what Islamists did to Takshila and nalanda University and Brits stole it to their British liabrary and many Brits stole for their private collection including their loot of wealth and some of them even fled to us so that they don't have to share with the throne)..
1) again sarasvati of vedas is saraswati which got extinct in india coz saraswati of Afghanistan dosen't have ganga,Yamuna,near to it and there must be many indus cities on its banks of if it was that saraswati (the cities found by archiologist on the banks of saraswati river are many more in number and are also older than Harappa and mohenjodaro)
2)once again according to Dr Shinde there are no material culture found in archiological sites but he said we find changes when Persian people come to india for Asylum (Zoroastrian)they have found material change they brought with them but we not find any footprints of Aryans.he also added in later periods(later period of Harappa and mohenjodaro) we had good relations with Iran obviously it was our neighbour and we have some exchanges with them but definitely they were no Aryans.
3)the iron making in india dates back to 1900bc which was found recently.
4)u said that Aryans came and wrote vedas in india generally accepted dates of vedas 1800 bc it means that Aryans may have came to india 200/400years ago may be coz they have to travel all land(to describe it in vedas) and change beliefs of people etc and to rank up to become aristocrat so that all people follow them (obviously no one will follow silently to anyone by merely saying hi i have came here to change your beliefs)so according to that they may have come to indus/india in 2000/2200 bc but as i said as per Dr neeraj rai there is no such extent of admixture in population in dna studies that support such a thing.and about black and white colour (it is also possible as we already know harappans were travellers for trade they may have taken a foreign spouse and the colour geonome may have introduced to indus (just assuming because if tehre is no proof then anything is possible as u said) the same que was asked to neeraj rai he said genome which changes colour of people it's complex to discribe it coz there are many reasons.
5)ashva or horses have mentioned in vedas again and again and many say where are the horses according to neeraj rai they have found horse remains in rajasthan (Himalayan pony)and they are studying it and they are sure that it's domesticated and was used by harappans (earlier a horse bone was found in archiological sites and famous Hungarian archaeozoologist Sándor Bökönyi seen tem and said that the remains are of horse many pro AIT theorists asked him to review but he stick to his stand)and those horese are same as described in vedas.
6) let's revisit AIT ...... William Jones found similarities in sanskrit, greek,roman they were some words (ref.talageri if i remember correctly they were some 8/10 wordes which are very comman words like,night,foot etc)it attracted more indologists to study sanskrit (obviously they had more resources to support them and still now where local indians were ignorant and still are)so they found mittani and Hittite people yes but they didn't spoke aryan language but they had only aryan names(Aryans lost their language coming to india)then we found Avesta of Zarathustra and many concluded finally we found that Aryans came to india but they forgot to analyse the time line i.e it is generally accepted that Rigveda is the oldest (it has three mandalas which are late addition)all the Hittite, mittani and Avesta has is later basic names for people and places so once again misinterpertion ...the hymn of mandala 7 hymn no 89 read shri arabindo's translation it's different..many foreigners mis interpret many hyms and translated vedas i.e as u took of Griffith.. there is word by word translation done by kant Singh plz refer to that where he shows how misinterpretation led to divide in india in caste and aryan/Dravidian (the dasyus) and a wresten scholar while reading vedas once read one word incorrectly and changed all meaning (the hymn was for ritual relating to widows which stated widow has to sit next the body and apply ghee to her eyes to mosturize it and again take her place in world but that scholar translated one word agreya as agnaiya which translated as the widow has to burned when she mosturized her eye it was something like that )..that is why many indian scholar's are now writing translations.that is one of the reason we r fed up of narrow view of western and some Marxist scholars in india.why i hold western scholars more responsible ex:the current numeral system is indian which was translated by some arab scholar the western scholars named algorithms after the arab scholar's name and totally ignored that scholars title of translation hisab al hind (even now people say arabic numerals and above all that western scholars were not ready to acknowledge those as indian numerals in this decade some people have accepted it ..ref.Dr C K Raju)
7)many calander systems were used by india yes sidereal is still bing used over and above the Julian calander forced by our government on us (as well known mathematician Dr C K Raju Julian calander is inaccurate..iam no scholar /don't have any knowledge of that)
I am very much aware that indus people while trading many people also visited indus civilization that's why i said international trade of that time definitely they had exchange of knowledge, people etc ...once again that dosen't prove Aryans came to india and vedic knowledge is not indian ...ty
Hi Rock King. It's hard to read your comment, because there are very few grammatical marks (no periods at all), but I will try to respond as best as I can understand you. In regard to your first two points:
1) All historians accept the fact that the Harappans traded with other countries and had immigrants living in their culture.
2) Although there are many dialects in India based on Sanskrit, there is not much diversity of the Indo-European dialects. This means that the majority of Indian dialects all come from Sanskrit, which is only one tiny part of the Indo-European language family. There is more diversity of Indo-European languages outside of India.
In regard to your seven other points:
1) I am not aware of any pre-Harappan cities on the Saraswati. Could you point them out to me?
2) If you show me where to find the article by Dr. Shinde, I will read it. But let me say that we do have a very important footprint left by the Aryans: the Vedas. We know the Aryans from their language.
3) Are you talking about evidence of iron smelting? Or are you just talking about finding an iron artifact? Remember, the Harappans traded with other countries, so an iron object could have been imported. We need to see evidence of iron-making in India in order to know that they had the technology. One way is by finding iron smelting furnaces, and another is by finding a whole bunch of indigenous iron artifacts.
4) I don't understand how you can say that people of other colors could have come into India, but not people with different DNA. Different colors ARE different DNA. Also, different peoples would have had different languages.
5) I have not heard of any horse remains other than a possible tooth. Could you show me where to find these evidences, so that I can look at them?
6) It is hard to understand what you are saying here, because the whole paragraph is only one sentence. I am sure that there have been many bad English translations made, especially in the 19th century. But what does that have to do with Aryan migration? (By the way, no one believes in an AIT anymore. They believe in an AMT. So from now on, say AMT.)
7) I have no argument with that. I said in my video only that the Vedas do not use a sidereal calendar.
I have a question for you: Why is it so important to you that the Aryans did not come into India from elsewhere? What is so upsetting about that?
@@WorldofAntiquity , Thank you for demonstrating your cognitive integrity under fire, your willingness to engage thoroughly with commenters and holding to the unknown where uncertainty is fact. You have earned my subscription and admiration. Coming from no academic background, I have waded through the mire of outside speculation, disinformation and politicized scientific research in my search for theories to our species prehistory. I anticipate learning a great deal here. This is the first youtube video of which I've read every comment and response in about ten years of watching! Take it for what it is, as dismissive as you can sound to me at times, when confronted with cherished beliefs and non science, it hasn't blinded me to the validity or value of the critique you put forth in this video, or the the few others I've watched. I greatly value this level of engagement, as it shows real dedication to sorting credible knowledge from the mire of biases like cultural mythology and traditional beliefs. You definitely trigger believers! If that's a premeditated part of your recipe, it would be masochistic/honorable to a level of sage skeptic level 23.
@@tree_relics Wow, very kind words. Thank you!
The Out of India theory is now even more unlikely, at least at the genetic level. The researchers say early Iranian agriculturists did not have any significant mixture of South Asian hunter-gatherer ancestry, “and thus the patterns we observe are driven by gene flow into South Asia and not the reverse”.
Have you picked up any research paper at all you illiterate? Even Reich says the so called 'Iran Neolithic' separated from IVC 13 thousand ybp. The latest nature paper by Yuan et al clearly shows any genetic exchange between Euro and India was from India at least in the last 10 thousand years.
Refining mo dels of ar chaic adm ixture in E uras ia with Ar chaicS eeker by Yuan et al, check figure 6
Yes, I believe this is the article you are referring to: www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/292581v1.full
@@WorldofAntiquity This is not the paper. There's one that Reich himself wrote just after the results of the Rakhigarhi samples were published where he tried to adjust his theory now that the 'indegenous' IVC turns out to have 'Iranian' 'caucasian' ancestry. So he said the Iran Neolithic and India Neolithic seperated some 13k ybp. Now Iran N is constiruent of Yamnaya & subsequently of Euro, yet India N is not apparently! The tree maps that you see in such papers are modern hierarchy clustering machine learning algorithms that search structures in random data. Some twater guy ran the data himself this time 'India Neolithic' as the node and found yamnaya/steppe to be derivative and downstream instead. The other paper I mentioned is a nature paper (name given above) by Yuan et al which clearly shows out of India
@@deepika2440 Reich did not adjust his theory. The original paper got censored.
I feel like every civilization’s origin story probably says something like ‘civilization began right around here with us.’ I don’t have any proof, just an impression.
I liked the video. Gobekli Tepe has informed us that answering such questions is harder than anytime before. I think that -
1. We need to agree about definition of civilization (which itself is incredibly hard e.g. Gobekli Tepe), 2. By rejecting siloed practice, we must become an interdisciplinary community which is comfortable with vocabulary of archaeology, linguistics, genetics, geology, palaeoclimatology, paleoastronomy, etc, 3. Develop computational methods & tools (e.g. Seshat), 4. Do all of this really well and really fast.
Gobekli tepe showed us that oir civilisation is way older then expected and I strongly believe the origins lie in Asia, china, India, the oldest cultures in this world
ofc free, decentralised and not funded by anyone community
any time I see "we need" I hear a centralist trying to force some vision of his own
@@SWOTHDRAand so has lots of sources not one and in many cases converged as people moved sometimes and culture diffused slowly
there were lionman cults in Europe 50000 years ago
it was kind of civilization
What you're saying about rest of frawly work might be true but mergharh civilization which was succeeded by indus valley outdates Mesopotamia and has evidence that says people were doing agriculture (wheat and barley) and even found pots with bitumen linings. It's kinda sad to see so many people talk about indus valley without pointing out a single fact or statement about mehgrah which preceded indus valley by atleast 1000-3000 years.
Mergarh was not a city. There were places of the same size in other parts of the world.
@@WorldofAntiquity @World of Antiquity ya but the archeologists who excavated mehrgarh claim agriculture existed there before they even had any contact with Mesopotamia (since the oldest found evidence is from 7000B.C) and also supports that mergharh is not an continum of Mesopotamia and agriculture started there independently. Mesopotamia also wasn't a city until the beginning of bronze age(the uruk period), i didn't claim mehgrah as an City , but neither Mesopotamia had urban centre, i simply stated that merhgrah had its own independent agricultural practices (as supported by one of the two scientists who excavated it), By the time uruk period started in Mesopotamia, the indus valley also started simultaneously.
@@kuralovien5524 *ya but the archeologists who excavated mehrgarh claim agriculture existed there before they even had any contact with Mesopotamia (since the oldest found evidence is from 7000B.C) and also supports that mergharh is not an continum of Mesopotamia and agriculture started there independently.*
Yes, I know. I said that in the video.
*By the time uruk period started in Mesopotamia, the indus valley also started simultaneously.*
The material remains show quite clearly that Uruk urbanized many centuries before the Indus Valley urbanized.
What's sad is that the world thinks India has its roots in indus valley, this is far from truth.
Civilizations have existed in India much longer than indus valley, however Indus valley civilization was unique in many ways, they had no lords or gods, they were basically traders & farmers with hi tech toilets & plumbing systems for that era.
@Rupendra Sharma
There was no Pashupathi. It was just a name attached to the Harappan artifact by the scholar. He used an existing Indian deity for reference.
wow I wanna know more about those non-saskritic names in vedas. that's new to me. could you or someone give me a link?
There are undeniable sarcastic undertones in your criticism that exposes the agenda that you promote. You are clearly trying to downplay arguments that don’t align to the narrative you promote.
My narrative is me trying to get as close to the facts as possible.
Then cut out the sarcasm and keep an open mind to learn from the hindu scriptures themselves. It's obvious you don't attach any value to evidences in it.
Here are some things to explore :
1. Saraswati river age, its disappearance and the Vedas age, this alone should settle the antiquity issue, as the Vedas cover the flowing version of the river extensively.
2. High tech in india - why do Indian temple rocks look laser precision cut and show signs of lathe machine type tech?.
3. If you are going to dismiss evidences from the scriptures of a continuing ancient civilization and choose to support theories and call them evidence, where is your priority on seeking truth?
4. You claim many theories which were held dear by western indology as 'scolarly truth' until recently are not true anymore; as common people why should we believe every nonsense theory mainstream 'experts' come up with till it gets debunked?
What is this expertize worth if they are going to keep changing fundamental positions? We would rather believe our scriptures which has always guided us.
35:25, cultural strength might refer to soft power and ability to "project" cultural forms in an influential way. No matter where I go in the world, I can find an American movie playing in a theater. That is incredible. This "projection power" of cultural forms can't be understated. The whole 'Indianization' of Southeast Asia occured due to the "cultural strength" of India. Societies who were newly entering a phase of agrarian-urbanization adopted the cultural forms and religion of its more established neighbor who already appeared to have "figured out" the challenges the SE Asian societies were facing.
so far the strongest point mentioned by video poster is genetic data which show significant mixture of stepp and iranian genes. I have seen AIT/migration theory videos and OIT videos. OIT proponent videos do raise some good questions such as sarswati river description found in the vedas, astronimical observations mentioned in the text which pose a questions on antiquity of the events. I will watch the next video to see if more explaination if provided by this channel.
This talk maps maternal the most stable DNA mutation and valid reasons.ua-cam.com/video/1bsyi4zYHP0/v-deo.html.
Peoples tend to forget that north - west of India is ruled by Persians,parthian,Greeks & Central Asian for hundreds of years.
So it's natural that you will find mix Genetics
You have dna samples that have no steppe dna.
Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950): “The entire world will accept Hindu religion one day and if it can not even accept the real name it will accept it by name only.” West will accept Hindutva one day and Hindu will be the religion of those who have studied in the world “
Dave down the pub (19??-20??) "I reckon all the rulers of the world are lizard people from the moon and they harvest human babies for telekenetic powers"
Must be facts then because someone said it
Based on the fact that the most closely related wild relatives of domesticated plants are in the fertile crescent, I'm thinking that city living is more likely to have started in the fertile crescent.
I thought Jericho was the first walled city. 8000 BCE. That seems to be quite a bit earlier than Uruk 4000 BCE.
Jericho was founded before Uruk but became a city after Uruk. (In other words, Uruk grew faster.)
@@WorldofAntiquity it had stone walls 4000 years before Uruk had them. I understand we have the first written evidence of Uruk. But clearly Jericho was a significant settlement thousands of years before
@@adam-k No doubt about it. Certainly one of the largest towns in the Neolithic period. But still too small to be a city, wall or not.
What ? Cities like Ayodhya ruled by lord Rama in 5200 bc. Indian civilization was the oldest and Vedas are the oldest scientific texts those inspired many scientists
@@mudunurimadhuri7968 Archeologically the earliest possible settlements at Ayodhya can be dated to c. 12th century BCE. unless you show artifacts from the site that can be dated we will just ignore contrary claims.
Also Vedas are not scientific texts. You are insane.
His argument is essentially “die man made of straw die”
Edit: he also likes to add a bit of poison to the well
I came to this video to learn about the Indus Valley Civilisation but rather got some questions about the topics being discussed :-
1》It is being mentioned here that haplogroup cannot be native to India because it is not that diverse here. While in the origin of sanskrit video you said the exact opposite. There the diversity was acknowledged as true but that wasn't used for categorising as native. Is it not the same changing of sources as per need?
2》How did you infer that names were not in Sanskrit?? Can't independent words be names in a language?
3》And why were you shouting in between?
*It is being mentioned here that haplogroup cannot be native to India because it is not that diverse here.*
My newer video was correct.
*How did you infer that names were not in Sanskrit?? Can't independent words be names in a language?*
I'm not sure what part of the video you are referring to. Do you mean words found in Sanskrit that are loan words from non-Sanskritic languages? Languages have identifying characteristics. That is how they are able to tell.
*And why were you shouting in between?*
I am not aware of any shouting.
Most of the Indian people have mass pychological issue most of them suffer from dunning kruger effect due to thousand year of foreign invasion.....
@@25years66 As an Indian I kinda agree to this! Since I see people who are generally overestiamating the cultural aspects and greatness of India, forgetting what needs to be done. I always thought there was some issue as ppl are struggling to get more attention from outside world in different forms and the surpressing mentality is still prevalent within different communities, the outside world is not doing much great in making this better either.The only good part is, lot of ppl in the younger generation do understand this, all I can hope is nomatter how long it takes, surely but slowly get rid of it.
@@tomorrow. agreed
What's going through Mr. Frowley's mind?
"I am a white man in a kurta criticizing Europe. They will have no choice but to believe me.".......
Well., that and "1.4 billion people in India at $30 a book ....... money, money, money"......
And there were certainly languages older than Sanskrit. Sanksrit is just another derivative. I mean, Sanskrit as we know it dates to like 1500 BCE? MAYBE 2000 BCE? I think the Mesopotamians, pre-Sanskrit steppe Indo-Europeans, Egyptians, Semites, Africans, pre-Indo-European Europeans, SIberians, Amerindians, East Asians, Oceanics and well, most of the rest of the world would have something to say about that..... "Um, what? Did our languages just appear out of nowhere?"
Overall, Frowley is a great warning to those basing all their 21st century work on 19th century texts and theories.......
POINT OF ORDER: "Indo-arian" is a LINGUISTIC term referring to a group of related (i.e. common/ shared origin) Languages, with surprising consequences to this day (e.g. "Iran", the name of a modern nation, is derived from the word "Aryan").
Hitler's Fascist/ Nordic "Aryans" were a fantasy-fable invented in the final period of European Colonialism; they NEVER existed & shld only be found in a comic-book.
Getting the two versions confused seriously misleads everything coming into contact with it.
For the record, Indo-arians almost certainly had dark skin, hair & eyes, with no blue-eyes/ blond-hair to be seen. GENETIC TRAITS ARE TRANSIENT & RADICALLY DIVERSIFY OVER TIME - THEY CANNOT BE USED TO INDICATE ANYTHING CULTURALLY SIGNIFICANT OR GENETICALLY SPECIFIC...It's just not that important, & changes very rapidly anyway.
When so-called "Authorities" fall into this conflation-trap they not only undermine their own integrity, but far worse introduce insidious fallacies into people's thinking, such as Racial-dynamism nonsense &/or borderline murderous Social-Darwinism, Human-Eugenics & a whole host of other meme-viruses..."Apologia" based on "I'm right, you're wrong" Supremacist-promoting isn't just harmless idiocy from old cranks; this sort of thing actually gets real people hurt! And for what? Fairy-tales told by insecure little people desperate to pretend being something they're not! Shame on you all!
Not iran alone and india was called Arya varta. Land of Aryas.
Exactly.
Arya is a sanskrit term used to refer a noble person, a person who acts right and is of a good character.
It's not a big deal, but when talking about the indus valley civilisation I think it's important to remember that it's in modern day Pakistan. Not India. It's just a minor thing that bugs me cause I feel like Pakistan always gets sidelined/ignored, which is unfair since I've visited and seen the places/artefacts/museums dedicated to Indus Valley. Most of the ancient indus valley area is in Pakistan now. (Also love your work, I don't mind if the indus valley civilisation wasn't the oldest, it doesn't matter)
😂 Pakistan..
It's 75 year old country..and it's population is Islamist convert ,whose forefathers is Hindus
@@sachinkapse110 Doesn't matter how old Pakistan is. The fact is that most of the indus valley area is now in modern day Pakistan. So it's a pakistani civilisation. Also your other statement isn't true. Arabs conquered the area of sindh first, which is in Pakistan. A lot of Pakistanis are descendants of Arabs, I am one of them. I have a lengthy family tree, I can trace my lineage back to the first islamic caliph. Yes obviously there are SOME pakistanis whose fore fathers were hindus (pakistani rajputs etc) but not all of us. My family has always been Muslim since the start. Either way it doesn't matter. Converted muslims are not considered any less. We're all equal.
@@tahiranaveen there is no word as Pakistan before 1947 😒and it's not Pakistani civilization.. and you people have identity crisis
...Arabs or islam.did not even come before 1400 years ago..indus or hindu civilization is thousands of year old..
You r simply delusional 😒
@@sachinkapse110 I know Indus and Hindu civilisation is thousands of years old. But most of the modern day pakistanis are descendants of arabs. Arabs migrated here, conquered areas and started families. Most pakistanis are their children/descendants. I am not talking about Indians right now.
@@sachinkapse110 doesn't matter if Pakistan's a new word or an old word. The current reality is that it is a word now. It is a country now. Look at the present.
Sanskrit was the English of old times. People who bring it studied things and write things down and obviously evolve Sanskrit by the influence of other regional languages.
PS: this white uncle completely neglecting Dravidian language and culture show his northern supremacy complex(I'm northern too😅), though i remember him saying sothern/south nationalists at the beginning 🤣
Pali*
Found one Indian who accept logic & reality against political agenda. I guess Whatsapp university ruining India.
There is a big difference between religion & science. One u believe no need proof, another ask evidence.
No it doesn't seemed that South Asia where it begins, i think it started in many places at a time, India may be a part of it, but it's contemporary of Mesopotamia, Egyptian, and Chinese civilization of Huang he river.
listening to him go onto an unhinged anti Marxist rant was so incredibly ridiculous. like, when did he join tpusa hahaha
Archeological evidence of Saraswati river and its glorification in Rigveda dates back to beyond your imagination.
You talked about not bringing in politics but started with labeling 'Out of India' theory as Hindu nationalist idea.
This author has agenda, ignore him
Well, that's a factual statement.
He's just a biased white man. Although he's trying very hard to hide that but it's blatantly visible. 😂
@@olenickel6013 same goes with Extavagant idea of AIM/AMT
28:40 In another video you said R1A has more diversity in India but this may be due to massive population in India. Here you say R1A has very less diversity in India. Which one is it?
Was wondering the same
I like your explanation of DNA of migration individuals it would be nice if you could do a complete work of all the migrations of all the civilizations how they coordinate with each other only a historian would be able to map all this correlation out and piece of a puzzles together of the new data of the r1a and other genetic traits.
Here is a talk that maps maternal DNA and maps why Paternal DNA might not be only reason. ua-cam.com/video/1bsyi4zYHP0/v-deo.html
For that we'd have to test a lot more people. It's not too affordable for most citizens as of now. As more testing centers open up, it would become cheaper and hence more people will be able to access it. As far as privacy goes, I'm not too comfortable with the government having access to it.
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My man you are taking all of the things he is saying separately and combining together, for example colonial European exerted power based on Christianity. And the Nazis had completely different ideology, they both used this discovery to justify there own prejudice. Secondly indian or Atleast learned Indians will never say vedas are religious text. You can’t compare vedas to bible, bible explicitly tells you who to pray and what to do, vedas don’t. They are more of historical records. Thirdly you are again looking it from a western perspective. Plus the oldest civilization in the world is in fact Indus Valley civilization.
I totally agree with you. This site guy is one of those European defender
pls consider adding eng cc 🥺 rlly love your channel
I want to. It's just that I have to do everything myself, and it takes time.
Not all people who says indus valley civilization is oldest civilization are hindu fundamentalists.. Because there is not a single evidence of their dietis from that era.. There was no hinduism that time
Yes, I am aware that there are people who claim IVC is Tamil and is the oldest civilization. I will cover that in a future video.
AT 09:50 you are again misrepresenting him here clearly. Frawley is talking about how Europeans did the comparative studies of Indian history using their own European methods of interpretations and linguistics to come to a conclusion that because there is resemblance with old folk literature of Europe then Vedas must have been developed in Europe or central Asia and brought in or imposed on the people of India.
Then you concluded this is a Frawley's negative portrayal of outside views, they are foreign and therefore yukky.
seriously how do you not understand plain English here. Sorry to say but your interpretation is completely false & misleading and your arguments are flawed.
What he is saying is exactly what Europeans did in the past. your opinion is that we must not talk about what Europeans were doing and should conveniently avoid talking about it?
Like after wiping off human race after human race from american continents, Australian continent - we must call them European settlers.
Every point that Frawley makes in his talk serves a rhetorical purpose. He isn't just giving a neutral history lesson. His goal is to debunk the Aryan Migration Theory. He himself would acknowledge this. Each point he makes is designed to achieve that goal. What I am saying in my video is NOT that he should never speak about such things (I acknowledge in the video that much of what he says is true), but that he is deliberately making it sound as if present-day scholarship is in some way the same as colonialism and should be considered a foreign imposition.
@@WorldofAntiquity
Aryan Invasion theory is a false theory which is proved wrong by every discipline of Science including Archaeology, DNA studies, Astronomy, Oceanography, Climatology, Potamology etc.
If Frawley says that then he is absolutely right. still the west is not coping up with this fact. read my commentary on that below.
Interestingly now Genetics is giving a really good view of human migration. Mitochondrial DNA analysis gives a god evidence of how Human migrated out of Africa and settles at various parts on the cast of India and then started to move out to the rest of the world. Because west still do not accept it - they ignored it and started working on the y-chromosome which again is indicating something very similar.
There is no doubt in saying that Human civilization started in India. There is more than sufficient evidence to support this claim.
Westerners have nothing of the sort to support that it started else where.
Lets close this comment here since you did not address what I raised in the original comment.
Rahul, you do not get to close comments just so that you can have the last word. I am permitted to comment on my own video comment threads.
The two of us agree that the Aryan Invasion Theory is false. That theory has been dead for decades, and scholars do not believe it anymore.
I recommend you study not only the evidence of mitochondrial DNA, but also the evidence of patrilineal DNA on this subject.
@@WorldofAntiquity As I mentioned earlier, 20,000 years old evidence of agriculture presence is found in Indian subcontinent.
Several disciplines of science have tested and proved the existence of Indian civilisation older than 20,000 years old.
This claim will stay until a new evidence is found else where in the world. Until then this is the best claim that west need to accept and propagate to people as they propagated the fraud of aryan invasion dogma.
Your reply doesn't address anything I said in my last comment. In fact, it ignores it.
Another excellent video, I am fast going through all your videos thanks.
Glad you like them!
Every historians forgot the Tami civilization please have a thought about the tamil civilization
Oldest civilization is Harappa and mogenjadaro, do we find tamil there
@@giridharm5598 we are the oldest classical civilization still exists in this morden world bro go and study about our history and you will know who we are
@@mahi4281 nobody knows what is exact history, while some are documented, many are not, I have read and seen history documantary on tamil, but I don't see simmalirity in words between tamil or telugu and tamil or Kannada, but telugu and Kannada are both related, so I belive telugu, Kannada and tamil are all equally old
@@giridharm5598 tamil is older than Telugu and kannada , Telugu and kannada are form of mixed language of Sanskrit and tamil, the Tamil script which we are using now is morden tamil script, the oldest Tamil script are still exists please do your research correctly and deeply
@@giridharm5598 there is documentry called tamizhi in you go refere it
This guy looks like a refugee from the age of aquarius, of whom there were many who rushed off to India to follow some guru and find nirvana. Most wandered back home and became insurance salesmen, but a few are still clinging to the myths and mysticism they hoped would bring order to a chaotic world..
Very judgmental.
David Frawley is showing how ridiculous the European colonialist view was. You are trying to ridicule Frawley by saying that the Western view has changed, but he is right on the history and You are wrong, because You are mixing history with current view.
My point is that HE is the one mixing history with the current view, not me.
@@WorldofAntiquity Sorry but nothing he is telling about the attitude and belief of the "scientists" of the Colonialist era is wrong. You are making the error to apologize the historic Racist view of the Europeans by telling that current scientists are not like that. That doesn't change anything about the history! In our times the Colonialism is packaged in pseudo-ideologies like "climate change", "environment protection", "saving the planet" to plunder the people in Africa, Asia and Latin-America. Nothing has changed, except the wording.
@@enkidugilgamesh *Sorry but nothing he is telling about the attitude and belief of the "scientists" of the Colonialist era is wrong.*
And as you know from the video, I agreed with him. My only point was that it was irrelevant.
*You are making the error to apologize the historic Racist view of the Europeans by telling that current scientists are not like that.*
I don't follow your logic. How does pointing out that current scientists are not like that "apologize the historic Racist view of the Europeans"? They are not even connected.
*That doesn't change anything about the history!*
You're right. None of it has anything to do with ancient history. That is why Frawley had no need to bring it up.
*In our times the Colonialism is packaged in pseudo-ideologies like "climate change", "environment protection", "saving the planet" to plunder the people in Africa, Asia and Latin-America.*
What are you even talking about? And what does it have to do with ancient history?
@@WorldofAntiquity We understand our present and can project our future if we know about our history!
Based on that, the history of Colonialism, Imperialism, Racism and Eugenics is not irrelevant. It is more prevalent than ever. Only the wording has changed but the impact is much bigger.
When You say "They are not even connected." this means only that You are intellectually unable to see the connection.
When I say "That does not change anything about history." I don't mean that history is not relevant, but Your perception of the present does not change the real history.
I assume that You are unable to comprehend when I would explain the background of "climate change", "environment protection", "saving the planet". Let me shorten it like that, the targets of Eugenics are pursued, but the argumentation is packaged pseudo-scientifically as "saving the planet". That means decimating the humanity to save the natural environment!
The plundering is going on in a much larger scale like during the colonialist era.
If You are interested in historic documents, You may read following key documents:
Before talking about Climate Change, learn about Geophysical Warfare by Climate Control!
Large scale climate engineering is applied since 1960!
CIA, 1960, Memorandum for : General Charles P. Cabell, Subject: Climate Control
geoarchitektur.blogspot.de/p/cia-1960-memorandum-for-general-charles.html
Here is the pseudo-scientific transformation of the wording.
How the Geoengineering Scam began in 1965 by turning Geophysical Warfare into "Protection of Environment"! LBJ, JFK!
"Restoring the Quality of Our Environment!"
geoarchitektur.blogspot.com/p/how-geoengineering-scam-began.html
@@enkidugilgamesh *Based on that, the history of Colonialism, Imperialism, Racism and Eugenics is not irrelevant. It is more prevalent than ever. Only the wording has changed but the impact is much bigger.*
Many people say this to me, but not one of them has ever explained how the theory of Indo-Aryan migration in any way propagates colonialism, imperialism, racism, and eugenics today. But maybe you can be the first. Start explaining!
These blog articles by a conspiracy kook are interesting, but neither of them even mention ancient history.
Complains about poisoning the well, spends first ten minutes poisoning the well, that's as far as I made it, too bored to go further, because the bias was already on display. But let's continue and I'll let you be the judge, after I already let you know that I feel scorn for his ideas.
Hello , can i use your video to my channel because it is so full of information . Thankyou very much .
You can show clips, and you can talk about it.
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"There are always going to be dishonest actors"
I take offence at that!
Errol Flynn was just misunderstood and Russell Crowe was....well, he is a Kiwi on second thought.
So this guy is the Ken Ham of Hinduism
~ding, ding, ding, ding~ You got that one correct!