Are we able to assign shortcuts to things like "Legato"? That would be mega useful when needing to very quickly finish a MIDI edit. Forever haven't been able to do that (not even on Mac with custom keyboard shortcuts).
Technically no upgrade is needed for my workflow since live 8 but i love how mature the software became. I love ableton live and i am very happy about this update.
Thank you for this video !!! Very interesting. Ableton focused on creativity & worflow for this new version. Which I think is the good direction. We all have already plenty of plugins that we use in Live and also in another DAWs for some. So creativity & workflow are what make Live what it is: a creative tool with a strong workflow that does not slow down the creativity but emulates it instead. I remember I mainly bought it (it was Live 9) for these reasons
Glad to see someone appreciating this update. I'm really happy with the features. I'm a software engineer myself, and can tell you these changes would have been a lot more work than people think. The UI changes (allowing combining different pages together finally);are particularly nice, and are going to make using Live a much more fluid experience. I'm also looking forward to the new tagging making its way to Push eventually... Which definitely needs a better way to find sounds! Roar looks and sounds fantastic! Also it's great to have another native instrument, because this means it will work nicely with Push. To the nay-sayers, get a grip. It's a solid update, with features that will make EVERY user's experience better.
There's some good workflow improvements there, but the biggest workflow fix for me would be a universal API for browsing presets across all VSTs. I would love to see Ableton invest in that, similar to Native Instruments' NKS standard but with even more extensive device control. You shouldn't need an Arturia or Native Instruments midi controller to have full control of their plugins. It should be handled by the DAW in my opinion.
This insightful video clearly demonstrates and explains the update and the goals behind it. Anyone who would be dismissive of the update has likely never had the experience of writing code and maintaining a codebase that is two decades old. I am confident that the incremental updates to the Ableton 12 branch will ensure that this DAW continues to evolve and maintain its elite status.
I remember when Live 11 was coming out the big 'gotcha' moment for me was the take lanes - that one feature that made me want to run out and upgrade right away. With Live 12 there are so many little quality of life features that I've been sold on the upgrade early. Roar looks great, mixer in arrangement view looks great, but the MIDI tools are a different level. STOKED.
The changes they made for 12 are highly practical for me. I've seen a lot of complaints about it and I can't really see those are rational. I'm happy with what Ableton did for this version. The basic functions of Ableton with racks and just the basic principles of operation only needed basic DAW features to take it to the next level. These changes did that.
Simple answer is because people were asking for quality of life things since a decade(not gonna mention this here), and Ableton still doesn't care to make those changes
Because ableton LIVE is essentially a Live DAW and a songwriters creative playground and folks tend to want it to be a catch all solution. It can be a catch all, and the devs have made strides to make it that flexible, but at the end of the day no other DAW has the flexibility for studio and stage use that Ableton has period. There may be better DAWs for sound design, and recording, etc etc etc but at the end of the day Ableton Rules the live perdormance stage and in my opinion the creative songwriting space.
@@Jisooee That is completely incorrect. It is only free if you bought 11 *recently*. I purchased 11 in Feburary of this year, and I need to pay for the upgrade.
I really don’t understand people being disappointed by this. The only thing that is a genuine letdown is no ARA support but that only affects a small group of vocal artists/engineers. What else could you possibly have wanted from this update? It’s huge!
it’s funny, i’m also most excited for roar. i’ve never been super stoked on abletons distortion options. but holy shiz they really made a nuts device and it sounds amazing
Ho Lee Crap.. I was not expecting THAT.. (Roar) they weren't kidding, this thing really DOES roar! Wooooooo. I also noticed 'flam' on the piano roll. How handy is THAT for setting up drum patterns.
I can't help but notice that the Transform tab in the Piano Roll has a "Strum" option too. If that works how I'm expecting it to, based on what you showed from the Transform tab, then that has me very excited. All the other features you showcased looked really fantastic as well.
I see a lot of potential time saving features for me in my mixing jobs and exciting stuff for live scenarios. Preordered and submitted for beta test. Cant wait to get my hands on Live 12!
Have they finally fixed the atrocious MIDI clock/external instrument issues which makes recording hardware with consistent and accurate timing completely impossible? When I emailed them about this they literally told me "its a bug, sorry". Really hope this bug was fixed because its my main DAW, and constantly having to readjust these settings has been really driving me insane for years.
I fixed that with a hardware sequencer and hardware synths and using live only as a multitrack audio recorder.... :) well first it was a choice to work only with hardware, like in the 80ies, and I love the sound of real analog.
@@WaveRiderMusicsmart choice because it’s enough to drive you nuts. Honestly it’s a shame that a DAW as otherwise great and popular as Live has these issues though 😞
@@Itallivingsorry but I disagree. If you already own it you already have 80% of the functionality (maybe more), but you’re being asked to pay 80% of the cost for the new 20% of functionality.
i can't say much besides this, i don't know if you own it or not as that is a huge différence, i just saw the full price a new customer needs to pay including the discount versus what i payed to Upgrade. i would agree with you yet for me already owned a i get in fact an 60% discount versus 20% extra functionality so it a perception i can live with @@MrClarkio
I wonder if they have improved features like clip volume control with a hotkey or device overview in the mixing window. I would also welcome a hotswap function for the audio clip and a more contrasting display of the selected channel...
The only good thing about the update is being able to see everything at once. I have enough plugins on my computer that can do what the new plugins are doing. So for me, not really worth the price just for a change in workflow.
Didn't you do a video in Live 12 comparing two loops, one in which you were using the updated midi change features to create a loop that was changing/transforming each time it was played through? Or am I imagining this?
Am I the only one that is pissed by the short lifespan of live 11? I mean it was just two years ago when live 11 was launched and now we are in the position where we have to upgrade again to get all these features. Ableton used to have a major upgrade every 4 years or so and now is more like two years.
It would be nice if they added more features for people who work with recording and mixing audio. I love producing in Ableton, but I still find myself opening up Logic for those things..
@@casual_dalliance Ableton has no ARA for me to use with Melodyne and no native tuning solution, it only has 12 return tracks, I don't think Ableton has clip bounce, and it's not even close to being optimized as far as raw performance vs Logic.
@@GC-nd1lp see, you just confirm what I said. Recording and mixing isn’t pitch correction (that’s editing). Logic’s flex pitch sucks big time, so that’s out of the question, and ARA integration is something we’ve all been wanting (however, I don’t find transporting that tedious. Literally switching DAWs takes more time than that). If by clip bounce you mean printing all the fx within the audio, of course it has it (as every single DAW out there). Would it hurt to read the manual? What do you mean by “optimized as far as raw performance”? Raw performance has to do with your RAM and CPU in the first place and I never had issues with Ableton.
@@casual_dalliance lol... Editing is a part of the pre-mixing stage and is generally something done by a mixing engineer (or their assistant). I never mentioned Flex Pitch, only Melodyne because of that reason. Export is not tedious, the annoying part of lacking ARA is not being able to recall. Say a client wants a more or less polished sound than I thought fit the song...well I have to what? duplicate my vocal tracks in order to keep the originals? Ableton does not have the bounce in place function that Logic has... All I do is press Control + B on a clip region and the effects are printed for only that region. Performance within a DAW is not only determined by the RAM and CPU but how efficiently the code within the DAW handles those, and what resources it takes to do tasks. Logic is able to run more plugins and more tracks than Ableton is and there are plenty of videos to show this.
I don’t understand that, this update is the biggest Ableton update I’ve seen in a while. And personally I wanted all the new features. Seems like this update was for me.
For a paid update I have to agree. A lot of the features are cosmetic meaning I have a max for live/vst plugin for specific features. Most DAWs are so good these days minimising the reason to upgrade. Good they are catching up, 12 in its current state is just not for me.
"Ableton has reacted to the wishes and demands of their user base"... soooo ARA2 support, group freezing, a startup UI that allows for choosing a template before opening a new session, as well as stem separation and at least a very basic scoring-view with actual music notes are included in this quite pricey "update" and you just forgot to mention them? I know this might sound very salty and obviously none of that is your fault and you have the right to like and enjoy this update as much as I am allowed to be frustrated and angry at Ableton for NOT listening to their community, but instead implementing unnecessary or never-asked-for devices (let's be honest, most producers have a ton of 3rd party synths and "Meld" won't be THE game changer), basic UI and functionality updates that simply copy other DAWs (which I respect, go ahead and copy the shit out of other DAWs, but do it more! and do it accordingly to the users' wishes --> for god's sake give us ARA support 😞 ) and then charge us nearly as much for the upgrade as for an educational standard version of live... I have been using Live for several years now, after switching from Cubase, which was hard enough, but at that time was a good choice, because Ableton workflows supported my creativity - now that Ableton simply does not seem to be able to keep up with other DAWs I honestly consider switching either back to Cubase or to Logic, which I really do not want, I just want their features and their stability in that DAW I grew to love years ago, but begin to despise because of its willful ignorance towards its users' needs and wishes and lacking transparency. :/
People who work for the movie industry uses other DAWs and are unlikely to switch to Ableton anytime soon, with or without atmos implemented. Outside that atmos is a curiosity at best, so I don't really see what the point would be.
Atmos is something only a very very extreme minority of users would want. I'm glad Ableton is adding features for the minority of users - I'm certainly one of very few people who REALLY CARES that they added microtonal support - but I hardly think adding Atmos is AT ALL a needed feature for any program specifically made for it in 2023
I switched to Bitwig some time ago, primarily because of modulation and the handling of third-party plugins (sandboxes). I've long been of the opinion that Ableton should be recoded from the ground up. The program has become quite large. And is the upgrade actually free?
No the upgrade from 11 suite is 179 once it comes out although has a 20% discount if you upgrade before the actual release date (but don't pay until its released) so 143GBP...
Well, then it's probably better to take a close look at Live 12 live to see if the upgrade is worth it. Ableton has accompanied me for years; I hope they find a niche again to be unique.@@MrYazbo
@@KimonoEtrange No, I am not. But Bitwig is 663 MB, and Live 11 Suite is 5.52 GB. You don^t have to be a genius to know that it's time to clean up the basement, right?
@@danikoenig Well if you're referring to the fact that there is way more samples in Ableton than bitwig than yeah we agree that it is bigger in size. We disagree that it's because it needs to be cleaned up.
Most new features seem useless for my workflow. Piano roll/clip functions are cool and so is the mixer view in arrangement. Everything else I have 3rd party vsts for already. Mostly meh for me
Ableton 12 still no multi channel MIDI routing. This feature has been requested since about 2009 according to Google. Still relying on Blue Cat Patchwork VST to fix this. Ridiculous.
I have a question. How can I copy and paste clips only in the arrangement window? I used to be able to just move the mouse over one of the tracks on the right hand side, copy and paste. - I have to go to SESSION, copy the clip, go back to the arrangement again and then paste it so far, this 'twelve' is totally unsuitable. CHAOS on the screen
Lots of people saying this one is underwhelming and, while I'm disappointed it came so soon after 11, I can't agree at all. This one has really rocked my world so far. If anything, I feel the problem is that 11 was underwhelming. I upgraded for MPE and velocity randomization and almost nothing else. This is much more significant in my eyes, so I'm surprised people are upset. If Live 11 was a minor update and Live 12 was Live 11, I think people would be more positive.
I have to know, can you do alt + space while multi-clip editing in the piano roll? As in, play from the piano roll play head? That’s the biggest frustration I’ve had with the piano roll and it seems like they’ve improved it a lot
That actually comes wirh Live 12, I find it hilarious though that nobody seems to talk about it as if they weren't sure they might actually be able to reduce freeze & flatten to bounce in place on time for the (unknown) release date 🙃
The MIDI tools on the piano roll look absolutely incredible
Not shown in video, but a huge aspect of 12 is the new keyboard shortcuts and accessibility features. They actually exist now! It's so much nicer.
still no custom shortcuts..
@@iamdoomedmusiccant you do custom shortcuts per track with the KEY button
@@vjmcgovernyou can, but it's certainly not the same. you can't edit the ashtray existing shortcuts either, which sucks
Are we able to assign shortcuts to things like "Legato"? That would be mega useful when needing to very quickly finish a MIDI edit. Forever haven't been able to do that (not even on Mac with custom keyboard shortcuts).
Look up clipgain v2, a max4live device that was just updated like a week ago to allow keyboard mapping for legato, hopefully it works for you
dude Roar is so sick
Technically no upgrade is needed for my workflow since live 8 but i love how mature the software became. I love ableton live and i am very happy about this update.
Sir, you are a wise man.
Wow! Some really handy new features. Roar sounds great ..& that strum effect on Meld! I'm excited for this release
Thank you for this video !!! Very interesting. Ableton focused on creativity & worflow for this new version. Which I think is the good direction. We all have already plenty of plugins that we use in Live and also in another DAWs for some. So creativity & workflow are what make Live what it is: a creative tool with a strong workflow that does not slow down the creativity but emulates it instead. I remember I mainly bought it (it was Live 9) for these reasons
Great intro to 12 and great message to finish with! Can’t wait to see the deep dive videos.
I bought Ableton 11 2 years ago and i already have to pays 200 euros ? no way haha. I'll wait for Ableton 13.
Beautiful, I'm hooked. Ableton 12 here I come. Can't wait for your new courses Anthony!
Omg finally live 12 here we come
this sw is getting better and better, thanks
Glad to see someone appreciating this update. I'm really happy with the features. I'm a software engineer myself, and can tell you these changes would have been a lot more work than people think. The UI changes (allowing combining different pages together finally);are particularly nice, and are going to make using Live a much more fluid experience. I'm also looking forward to the new tagging making its way to Push eventually... Which definitely needs a better way to find sounds!
Roar looks and sounds fantastic!
Also it's great to have another native instrument, because this means it will work nicely with Push.
To the nay-sayers, get a grip. It's a solid update, with features that will make EVERY user's experience better.
There's some good workflow improvements there, but the biggest workflow fix for me would be a universal API for browsing presets across all VSTs. I would love to see Ableton invest in that, similar to Native Instruments' NKS standard but with even more extensive device control.
You shouldn't need an Arturia or Native Instruments midi controller to have full control of their plugins. It should be handled by the DAW in my opinion.
Me too
This insightful video clearly demonstrates and explains the update and the goals behind it. Anyone who would be dismissive of the update has likely never had the experience of writing code and maintaining a codebase that is two decades old. I am confident that the incremental updates to the Ableton 12 branch will ensure that this DAW continues to evolve and maintain its elite status.
chatgpt?
no
Crazy. If I don't know how to make a particular food/dish, I can't say it tastes disgusting? Because I can't cook it?
@@davdcl499 operative word is dismissive, not critical
I remember when Live 11 was coming out the big 'gotcha' moment for me was the take lanes - that one feature that made me want to run out and upgrade right away.
With Live 12 there are so many little quality of life features that I've been sold on the upgrade early. Roar looks great, mixer in arrangement view looks great, but the MIDI tools are a different level. STOKED.
Ableton is KING! Live 12 is a must welcomed addition to the arsenal
Holy moly Roar sounds awesome! Can not wait to try it myself!
I upgraded to Ableton 11 last week before the announcement :( worst timing ever. Hoping customer service throws me a bone.
Good luck. And expect nothing 😊
The changes they made for 12 are highly practical for me. I've seen a lot of complaints about it and I can't really see those are rational.
I'm happy with what Ableton did for this version. The basic functions of Ableton with racks and just the basic principles of operation only needed basic DAW features to take it to the next level. These changes did that.
between this update and the new push, i’m happy to stay inside this whole winter cookin up some good stuff 🥹
thats the take ;)
I just hope this release is more stable and efficient
14:30 WORDS! Spot on absolutely!
This for this quick overview.
OMG THEY FINALLY ADDED A STRUM FEATURE.
Not sure why people are disappointed in this update, it’s amazing
Simple answer is because people were asking for quality of life things since a decade(not gonna mention this here), and Ableton still doesn't care to make those changes
Because, ideally, this is what Ableton 11 should have been. Ableton is lagging behind.
@@milkyway8353"everyone's a critic"
Because it's too little of an improvement for a whole numbered upgrade, not even talking about 229$ price tag
Because ableton LIVE is essentially a Live DAW and a songwriters creative playground and folks tend to want it to be a catch all solution. It can be a catch all, and the devs have made strides to make it that flexible, but at the end of the day no other DAW has the flexibility for studio and stage use that Ableton has period. There may be better DAWs for sound design, and recording, etc etc etc but at the end of the day Ableton Rules the live perdormance stage and in my opinion the creative songwriting space.
Quite a pricey upgrade for 11 users
It's a free update when you're from 11
@@Jisooee That is completely incorrect. It is only free if you bought 11 *recently*. I purchased 11 in Feburary of this year, and I need to pay for the upgrade.
I really hope they handle stability better. We need plugin sandboxing pronto.
WOW Distortion and Env Follow Effects ... What a great innovation ! Yuppy Yuppy Yeah !
New sub 👊🏾 I’ve been learning AL for a while now I hate I didn’t wait to get 12 I had brought 11 a few months before they dropped 12
You're getting bigger and bigger my guy. No doubt soon you will be getting 100k views. Love to see it.
0:11 Nice inbox bro
I really don’t understand people being disappointed by this. The only thing that is a genuine letdown is no ARA support but that only affects a small group of vocal artists/engineers. What else could you possibly have wanted from this update? It’s huge!
Cheers for the review. Looks very cool.
So far, the best feature I see is this cute orange start screen 😳
WOW your headphones in this video are HUGE! I bet they sound great 😎
What are they?
Solid advice there at the end.
Thank you for the lesson, sensei
Thank you for the cool demonstrations. It's very helpful. Thank you.
I love it - but I’ve been saying this for years .. We need edit and undo history !
Thanks for showing off some of the new features that weren't on Ableton's website.
it’s funny, i’m also most excited for roar. i’ve never been super stoked on abletons distortion options. but holy shiz they really made a nuts device and it sounds amazing
Ho Lee Crap.. I was not expecting THAT.. (Roar) they weren't kidding, this thing really DOES roar! Wooooooo. I also noticed 'flam' on the piano roll. How handy is THAT for setting up drum patterns.
Thanks mate
great point about learning the tools you have!
I can't help but notice that the Transform tab in the Piano Roll has a "Strum" option too. If that works how I'm expecting it to, based on what you showed from the Transform tab, then that has me very excited. All the other features you showcased looked really fantastic as well.
I feel somewhat lucky. They have a deal right now that if you upgrade/buy to 11 (for 20% off atm), you get a free update to 12 when it releases.
What about real latency compensation?
Thanks for the video and info.
I see a lot of potential time saving features for me in my mixing jobs and exciting stuff for live scenarios.
Preordered and submitted for beta test. Cant wait to get my hands on Live 12!
Have they finally fixed the atrocious MIDI clock/external instrument issues which makes recording hardware with consistent and accurate timing completely impossible? When I emailed them about this they literally told me "its a bug, sorry". Really hope this bug was fixed because its my main DAW, and constantly having to readjust these settings has been really driving me insane for years.
I fixed that with a hardware sequencer and hardware synths and using live only as a multitrack audio recorder.... :) well first it was a choice to work only with hardware, like in the 80ies, and I love the sound of real analog.
@@WaveRiderMusicsmart choice because it’s enough to drive you nuts. Honestly it’s a shame that a DAW as otherwise great and popular as Live has these issues though 😞
Absolutely love ableton….but that price tag though……insane.
if you already own it then you get a 20% reduction, not so bad i would say
@@Itallivingsorry but I disagree. If you already own it you already have 80% of the functionality (maybe more), but you’re being asked to pay 80% of the cost for the new 20% of functionality.
i can't say much besides this, i don't know if you own it or not as that is a huge différence, i just saw the full price a new customer needs to pay including the discount versus what i payed to Upgrade.
i would agree with you yet for me already owned a i get in fact an 60% discount versus 20% extra functionality so it a perception i can live with @@MrClarkio
I wonder if they have improved features like clip volume control with a hotkey or device overview in the mixing window. I would also welcome a hotswap function for the audio clip and a more contrasting display of the selected channel...
OK, so with this video and the Ableton website combined I now know nearly everything about the new release, except one thing: the release date.
My Experience from previous upgrades is about 3 months. I suppose around mid-february next year. 😊
It says on the site early 2024 that's abt all we have
Remember beta testers too report bug's. Ableton genius marketing strategies at work.
The only good thing about the update is being able to see everything at once. I have enough plugins on my computer that can do what the new plugins are doing. So for me, not really worth the price just for a change in workflow.
That sound reminds of the original Mario bros theme song
i would consider this to be fucking massive update i am so excited
I am still on live 9, but I may upgrade for this one.... I may go back to composing in the box a little
still doesn't have a built in 'bounce in place' option ? multiple audio clip editing ?
Dope video bro!
Great video! Roar reminds me of Minimal Audio
Didn't you do a video in Live 12 comparing two loops, one in which you were using the updated midi change features to create a loop that was changing/transforming each time it was played through? Or am I imagining this?
great video.. thank you
Hope stability issues are fixed in this release.
Am I the only one that is pissed by the short lifespan of live 11? I mean it was just two years ago when live 11 was launched and now we are in the position where we have to upgrade again to get all these features. Ableton used to have a major upgrade every 4 years or so and now is more like two years.
Competition. I anticipate that version 13 will arrive even sooner than the release of version 12.
You dont have to update if you are happy with 11.
I'd love to see Roar used with an electric guitar
Ngl MIDI tools is really just worth it
looks like that cool hotswap feature could replace the need for XO by XLN Audio...
i was about to buy it...
Looks like they're pulling from FL and Reason. I might buy this.
Awesome! still a bit expensive as an update for someone who already bought the full version suite a few months ago..😅
It would be nice if they added more features for people who work with recording and mixing audio. I love producing in Ableton, but I still find myself opening up Logic for those things..
If you find yourself opening Logic for mixing and recording then the problem isn’t Ableton pal.
@@casual_dalliance Ableton has no ARA for me to use with Melodyne and no native tuning solution, it only has 12 return tracks, I don't think Ableton has clip bounce, and it's not even close to being optimized as far as raw performance vs Logic.
@@GC-nd1lp see, you just confirm what I said. Recording and mixing isn’t pitch correction (that’s editing). Logic’s flex pitch sucks big time, so that’s out of the question, and ARA integration is something we’ve all been wanting (however, I don’t find transporting that tedious. Literally switching DAWs takes more time than that). If by clip bounce you mean printing all the fx within the audio, of course it has it (as every single DAW out there). Would it hurt to read the manual?
What do you mean by “optimized as far as raw performance”? Raw performance has to do with your RAM and CPU in the first place and I never had issues with Ableton.
@@casual_dalliance lol... Editing is a part of the pre-mixing stage and is generally something done by a mixing engineer (or their assistant). I never mentioned Flex Pitch, only Melodyne because of that reason. Export is not tedious, the annoying part of lacking ARA is not being able to recall. Say a client wants a more or less polished sound than I thought fit the song...well I have to what? duplicate my vocal tracks in order to keep the originals? Ableton does not have the bounce in place function that Logic has... All I do is press Control + B on a clip region and the effects are printed for only that region. Performance within a DAW is not only determined by the RAM and CPU but how efficiently the code within the DAW handles those, and what resources it takes to do tasks. Logic is able to run more plugins and more tracks than Ableton is and there are plenty of videos to show this.
@@GC-nd1lp 🤦♂️
Of course it will take about ten updates till it doesn’t mess up all my projects
Absolutely love Ableton.... but 🙄 underwhelmed.
What were you hoping to see?
Have patience and have fun padawan
I came when u said Ableton " choose similar sounds"
I don’t understand that, this update is the biggest Ableton update I’ve seen in a while.
And personally I wanted all the new features.
Seems like this update was for me.
For a paid update I have to agree. A lot of the features are cosmetic meaning I have a max for live/vst plugin for specific features. Most DAWs are so good these days minimising the reason to upgrade. Good they are catching up, 12 in its current state is just not for me.
wow bro im late but great haircut
Do you know if there's a trial version of the new beta live 12?
Feels like 11 just game out lol. Would love to see ARM support
They never even debugged 11 before doing 12 lol
6:19 I imagine this analysis will take me many hours to complete lol
"Ableton has reacted to the wishes and demands of their user base"...
soooo ARA2 support, group freezing, a startup UI that allows for choosing a template before opening a new session, as well as stem separation and at least a very basic scoring-view with actual music notes are included in this quite pricey "update" and you just forgot to mention them?
I know this might sound very salty and obviously none of that is your fault and you have the right to like and enjoy this update as much as I am allowed to be frustrated and angry at Ableton for NOT listening to their community, but instead implementing unnecessary or never-asked-for devices (let's be honest, most producers have a ton of 3rd party synths and "Meld" won't be THE game changer), basic UI and functionality updates that simply copy other DAWs (which I respect, go ahead and copy the shit out of other DAWs, but do it more! and do it accordingly to the users' wishes --> for god's sake give us ARA support 😞 ) and then charge us nearly as much for the upgrade as for an educational standard version of live...
I have been using Live for several years now, after switching from Cubase, which was hard enough, but at that time was a good choice, because Ableton workflows supported my creativity - now that Ableton simply does not seem to be able to keep up with other DAWs I honestly consider switching either back to Cubase or to Logic, which I really do not want, I just want their features and their stability in that DAW I grew to love years ago, but begin to despise because of its willful ignorance towards its users' needs and wishes and lacking transparency. :/
NEED IT
love it
Does anybody know approx. how much it will cost to upgrade the full Live 11 version to Live 12 when it's properly released?
Ableton still without dolby atmos implementation? Are they slepping? It is 2023
People who work for the movie industry uses other DAWs and are unlikely to switch to Ableton anytime soon, with or without atmos implemented. Outside that atmos is a curiosity at best, so I don't really see what the point would be.
Atmos is something only a very very extreme minority of users would want. I'm glad Ableton is adding features for the minority of users - I'm certainly one of very few people who REALLY CARES that they added microtonal support - but I hardly think adding Atmos is AT ALL a needed feature for any program specifically made for it in 2023
Wish it came with stem separation like FL
I switched to Bitwig some time ago, primarily because of modulation and the handling of third-party plugins (sandboxes).
I've long been of the opinion that Ableton should be recoded from the ground up. The program has become quite large.
And is the upgrade actually free?
No the upgrade from 11 suite is 179 once it comes out although has a 20% discount if you upgrade before the actual release date (but don't pay until its released) so 143GBP...
Well, then it's probably better to take a close look at Live 12 live to see if the upgrade is worth it.
Ableton has accompanied me for years; I hope they find a niche again to be unique.@@MrYazbo
It's large so it needs to be recoded? You a programmer or?
@@KimonoEtrange No, I am not. But Bitwig is 663 MB, and Live 11 Suite is 5.52 GB. You don^t have to be a genius to know that it's time to clean up the basement, right?
@@danikoenig Well if you're referring to the fact that there is way more samples in Ableton than bitwig than yeah we agree that it is bigger in size. We disagree that it's because it needs to be cleaned up.
Most new features seem useless for my workflow. Piano roll/clip functions are cool and so is the mixer view in arrangement. Everything else I have 3rd party vsts for already. Mostly meh for me
Ableton 12 still no multi channel MIDI routing. This feature has been requested since about 2009 according to Google. Still relying on Blue Cat Patchwork VST to fix this. Ridiculous.
I have a question. How can I copy and paste clips only in the arrangement window? I used to be able to just move the mouse over one of the tracks on the right hand side, copy and paste. - I have to go to SESSION, copy the clip, go back to the arrangement again and then paste it
so far, this 'twelve' is totally unsuitable. CHAOS on the screen
where to get this ableton theme?
Roar is like a mini Trash2
Lots of people saying this one is underwhelming and, while I'm disappointed it came so soon after 11, I can't agree at all. This one has really rocked my world so far. If anything, I feel the problem is that 11 was underwhelming. I upgraded for MPE and velocity randomization and almost nothing else. This is much more significant in my eyes, so I'm surprised people are upset. If Live 11 was a minor update and Live 12 was Live 11, I think people would be more positive.
100% agree here.
Trying to sign up for your newsletter. Multiple devices and different browsers and all say "oops something went wrong" Did I break it?
That’s amazing! Shall we connect?
how much of this is gonna be locked behind the suite version? I only have the standard version
I have to know, can you do alt + space while multi-clip editing in the piano roll? As in, play from the piano roll play head? That’s the biggest frustration I’ve had with the piano roll and it seems like they’ve improved it a lot
I guess we will see bounce in place in version 19
That actually comes wirh Live 12, I find it hilarious though that nobody seems to talk about it as if they weren't sure they might actually be able to reduce freeze & flatten to bounce in place on time for the (unknown) release date 🙃
Any improvement for video? Working with video files can be a nightmare in Live 11.
STEMS SEPARATION IS THE BIGGEST MISSING FEATURE AT THE MOMENT
that similar files feature I feel is going to render XO BY XLN useless. what a shame.
Can you automate the scale??????
Bounce to audio?