And it was Mal's distress when Book got shot that distressed her. River has a connection with Mal. We see it in things she does and says in a few scenes throughout the season and in the movie. They are subtle but definitely there
The theme of _Firefly_ is civilized values versus frontier values: frontier values are better. This episode compares two "families". Civilized values are represented by the privileged Tam family. The Tam parents are so afraid of the Alliance government that they can't even admit that their daughter is being held and tortured in a government lab, and abandon their son when he tries to help her. In contrast, frontier values are represented by the Serenity's crew, who are more a "family" than the Tams' blood family. Even though the Shepherd is just a passenger, Mal risks his ship to get medical help from the Alliance cruiser. Then, in contrast to the Tam parents, he goes back to rescue Simon and River, even though as wanted fugitives they are a danger to him.
I personally disagree with Whedon's judgement: I think civilized countries with modern governments are a lot better and more moral than the brutal cowboy values found on a lawless frontier.
There was a lot planned for this series .. One thing Joss has said more than once is that every character on the ship had a secret that was going to be revealed over the course of the shows run. I really only know a few of them.. but they all have at least one they are harboring..
Lovely reaction! I am amused by everyone (including myself sometimes) in the comments trying to correct Kazzy on Adam Baldwin's name, answer questions, and various other things - considering these reactions were filmed some time ago and posted on "Patreon only" - none of our comments will change anything she says during the rest of her reactions, because she's done the whole show already. But hey, they do help the algorithm!
"We need the little girl to speak". That wouldn't really help them. Wouldn't change their minds against Rivers abilities being from a witch. And part of the main guys reason is because she knows he killed the other guy. Little girl speaking isn't going to change that.
Love the Chuck clip! I can't understand you thinking River is annoying at this point, but I think Summer Glau did an amazing job playing River and her struggles.
I really like you reactions but ... and it's just a suggestion but, you MIGHT enjoy the show even more if you stop reading the synopses BEFORE you watch the episode, because many of them are meant to get you to watch, but they are better if they are a surprise ... just sayin' ... Jayne (Adam Baldwin, not Daniel) is NOT a member of the famous Baldwin family, which does include Alec, Daniel, William and Stephen. Also, as others have mentioned, Home is Serenity (the Firefly class/model ship) and Daddy is the head of their NOW family, meaning Mal. So, she is totally aware of things, but her words often have alternate meanings for those NOT in her head. After a while, you WILL learn to understand that she ALWAYS means what she says ... may not even understand them herself at the time, but she always means them.
First, Thank you for the reaction. The ship is named Serenity. It is of the Firefly class of ships. They use Mandarin Chinese phrases (mostly cussing to get by censors) but the story line is The United States and China, the two great superpowers of the Earth, gradually formed a Anglo-Sino Alliance
They're breaking out into what is supposed to be Mandarin Chinese.... but... speaking as someone who's grown up hearing Chinese (Cantonese and Mandarin) ... their pronunciation is a bit ... off. They don't quite have the rhythm and tones correct -- at least, not for any modern Mandarin (who knows, a couple hundred years from now, pronunciations could have changed)
I love the scene when River quickly learned all the local dance steps and within minutes became the center of attention as she was innovating new dance moves. "Daddy will come and take us home" Daddy = Mal, Home = Serenity. The problem with the Tam's parents = They have been indoctrinated by Fascism. In their eyes, River is safe because the Alliance knows what is best for all of us. Everyone must follow the rules without question. No one wants black marks on their social records. Why Simon doesn't understand this is very frustrating to the Tam Parents. *Priorities:* Mal gambled that Simon & River should be safe for a later rescue while he gets Shepherd Book some urgent medical help. We can speculate that Mal's military background taught him guerilla war tactics (like how to hide in the hills). The Hill Folk are good at evading the townsfolk = similar tactics. This factored into why Mal knew there wasn't enough time to search for Simon. Probably also why Mal was able to find Simon & River as quickly as he did. River steals Jayne's dinner roll off his plate. She intentionally sat next to Jayne. Perhaps she intended "payback" because she knew Jayne had earlier stolen Simon's things. Mal to Jayne about moving cattle: "They move just as easy if you lead them." Jayne to Mal: "I like smackin' 'em." This dialog exchange sums up how they lead a crew as well. It calls back to "The Train Job" when Jayne told Wash "Do you know what the rutten chain of command is? It's the chain I get to beat you with ... "
Firefly is the class of ship. Serenity is the name of the ship. Mal named the ship Serenity because it's the last battle they fought against the Alliance.
You threw in a *CHUCK* reference! ❤ I think I know only a couple people who barely know anything about that show. A later show featuring Adam Baldwin that’s worth watching is “The Last Ship.” I was surprised how much I liked it, it’s more than it looks at first glance. And, hey…be well. 🖖🏼
The more I watch this episode, the higher it rates for me. I love the scene where River dances, and the way it is cut with the encounter at the corral is great. Also, this one really hits on themes of home and family, and cements the idea that the Serenity crew is a family.
This was the first episode that I realized Summer Glau was a pretty girl made up to look like a crazy person. River picked up the locals dance after watching for a few moments. The same way in a previous episode she mimicked Badger’s accent and read him like a grade school book.
7:15 I think River was feeling Mal's emotional reaction to seeing Shepherd's gunshot wound. She is very sensitive to emotions and more so to strong ones!
Careful now, cuz your annoyance with River & your wish for Simon to have a life of his own might just drive her off the ship to become just another object in space..😉 The good part of your anti-River bias is that you can't seem to put your finger on it. So she/her situation resonates with you albeit in a way that makes you feel uncomfortable. Sign of a strong movie/series character. My guess would be that - for the moment - she may represent the loss of personal control due to neurological damage. She'll grow on you, same as Jayne will. And you/your views might evolve in the process as well. Cheers from Amsterdam!
This scene though I couldn't really get too upset at Simon. Seeing it from his point of view. He was in a bad mood from earlier with Mal. He was just spilling his frustrations on the wrong person. He immediately regrets it afterwords, feels guilt and shame for hurting Kaylee.
Well, it seems you have a crush on the brother , 😉and that leads you to misjudge poor River.Lol river is by far away the coolest character on the show and you’re gonna find that out. I love watching this show with you Kazzy
18:30 There's something about all of these actors in Firefly, Buffy, Dollhouse, and Angel swirling around each other and feeding off of their chemistry with each other despite being in different shows that makes me happy.
@@seanmcmurphy4744It's pretty good. It's two seasons, and two tv movies. One movie after each season. You'll notice a ton of other actors and actresses that spend a lot of time also in the Whedon projects, like Dichen Lachmann and Envar Gjovaj from Agents of Shield, Amy Acker and Alexis Denisof from Angel and, Alan Tudyk, Summer Glau, to say nothing of Eliza Dushku. Adam Baldwin from Firefly worked with Whedon on several occasions and he said once that Whedon was tough and lost his temper when things did not go his way, but that Whedon did not even come close to Stanley Kubrick difficulty when Adam was Animal Mother in Full Metal Jacket. So, it seems to me Whedon is difficult to work with but remembers the actors that can handle his style.
And that is a REALY YOUNG Zac Efron in his first TV role (and I think first role period). The language is Mandarin. The Chinese Empires/Kingdoms of old used one common written pictograph language to bind the empire(s) bureaucracy together, but continued speak their local languages which in many cases were mutually unintelligible. One of my best friends spoke Cantonese, but does not understand a lick of Mandarin
All the show swearing is Mandarin to get around Fox censors. I don't know if Simon and River are speaking that. At least when Simon gets scolded. I suspect.
It's perfectly alright to be annoyed by River, although I think perhaps that "frustrated" might be a better word. She seems to understand things differently from everyone else, including us. That said, at least so far, just about every apparently nonsensical thing she's said has proved to be true, as Obi Wan would say, "from a certain point of view."
'Dangerous Beauty' is a wonderful movie. It perfectly captures how men's overt power in the world has been influenced and even dominated by women's covert power of the heart. Well played, indeed.
There are some glossaries online that translate the Chinese phrases...it's mostly cussing and insults. There's at least one UA-cam channel where a native Chinese speaker(who isn't familiar with the context of Firefly) puzzles over the grammar and pronunciation. It's amusing.
River isn't delusional... she just sees things differently. At 12:20 when she refers to daddy and home she doesn't mean her elitist parents she means the ship, and Mal. If you were to write out everything she says and analyst it... well after the fact, there is very little she says that doesn't ring true once you factor in her view of things. A lot that she says is cryptic in the moment, but can/will make sense given time and perspective. However the show didn't get "time" being cancelled so quickly, some of her actions... may have needed insight from a future that never came.
Understandable that you are annoyed with the character of River. However, in this episode we got to see that River is a victim of something, but we don't yet know what. In time with this series, I think your empathy will overtake your annoyance with this character.
You can find translations of all the mandarin dialogue pretty readily. My favorite from this episode is when Jayne confronts Mal with Vera, Mal says, “exploding diarrhea of an elephant.”
Dangerous Beauty is one of my favorite films. I'm a Rufus Sewell fan because of it. But watched it because I loved Catherine McCormack from Braveheart.
Hey girl, this has always been one of my favorites. A lot of fun, an to your question about what language she was speaking, is a mix between.. English an Chinese an alittle bit of other languages, because they were the Powers at the time of the Exodus from earth. Great reaction ❤️ love ya mean it 😎😊
I've noticed quite a few reactors coming down a little hard on River. She's essentially recovering from an abduction/abuse situation of unknown severity... it's gonna take a while for her to come back firing on all cylinders. :)
It's Episode 5. Maybe some of your questions will be answered in future episodes. Will Simon ever learn to talk to girls? Will Book ever reveal his secret for growing big luscious strawberries? Will we ever find out why River is so whimsical in the brain pan? For the answer to these and other questions, be sure to tune in next week for ....
"Safe": Jayne loves smackin' the stock as they move into an improvised corral. The crew goes window shopping on Jiangyin, Simon continues to have foot-in-mouth disease, and River wanders off and finds a dance. The cattle sale goes South, which turns into a gun battle, Shepherd Book gets caught in the cross fire, and Simon is abducted by hill people. Mal takes off to find medical help for Book, and River finds Simon. At an Alliance cruiser, Book's ID magically opens the medical ER, the Tams try to fit in, but River reveals too many community secrets and is denounced as a Witch. Just as Simon is about to be roasted, Jayne "hangs out," and the Big Damn Heroes get "our witch" back, On "Serenity," Simon finds out where they stand with Mal. An out-of-season observation: Every time a UA-cam viewer falls in love with "Firefly," a Fox TV executive falls off the Nakatomi Plaza building.;)
The language is Chinese, and they used it to bypass the Censors. They also put a backstory to it, to explain why. (US and China were the last superpowers before "Earth That Was" was left behind, so even the least educated knows some Chinese), something I really don't see alot in most shows. Also, you mentioned in a previous episode that you wanted to know about Shephard Book. There is a book out that is his backstory, and how he ended up a Shephard, or so I was told.
"I had to walk through that door which goes on my permanent record " Get ready for CBDC (central bank digital currency). I mean, I'm just saying. Via con Dios, hermanos y hermanas. ✌🏼✌🏼
What language? If you watch the cargo they are stealing in the Train Job, you will notice the "Alliance" flag on the crates is a Chinese/American mixed flag. The Alliance is actually an aliance between the USA and China... not just the allied planets.
Dude,. It was really difficult-I had to move my fingers and all and type in Firefly langage-but I found out that the langue du Firefly is Mandarin.. Also, Daddy, metaphor for Mal coming to pick up his children, his crew…Boy those metaphors and allegories are a pain in the bottom, n’est-ce pas??Whedon’s characters, like those of great art in general such as the films of Hitch, are complex. They aren’t the mythic fairy tale characters of kiddie film, TV, and books…Dangerous Beauty is very underrated...
Kaylee view’s Serenity much like Scotty of the original generation Star Trek show did. Call me or the Captain anything you like but woe betides you if you even inadvertently make a disparaging remark about their ships. Scotty started an “international incident” because a Klingon called the Enterprise a garbage scow.
It's broken Chinese they are speaking. You see, in the future only two superpowers exist, China and the US. China and the US decide to form an alliance, the sino-anglo alliance. Both cultures fuse together and that's why you see Chinese things in the show.
Totally normal to find characters annoying. I actually like it when there's some in the crew that rub us the wrong way. For example - I've always found Jayne to be a complete jerk. Yes - with a redemption arc and more complexity than being a jerk just to hurt people. But still. A jerk. Its more interesting when I find myself respecting something Jayne does or the growth he makes despite my dislike for him. River? More chaotic than a bag of mad ferrets. That ain't a kind of whimsy that endears to all types.
it's amazing tho that simon is the one who gets in the most trouble over it, considering that river never seems to wear shoes and there's no telling what's all over her feet.
Actually the Salem witch trials only involved 19 accused people and only one died and that was not by the hands of her accusers. It has totally been blown out of proportion. I can't speak about Europe.
Over 200 people were accused, of those, 54 confessed and 30 were found guilty. Nineteen were hanged. One person, Giles Corey, was pressed to death because he wouldn't enter a plea. If I remember right, another person died in prison awaiting trial, and at least one more after sentencing. The greatest tragedy isn't that 20+ people died, and many more lost everything they owned, including their standing in the community. The real tragedy is how easily this all happened and how fickle justice can be. Religious fervor, political instability, and economic disparity is a dangerous mix.
@@fullmoonprepping4024 I live in Salem. I've been to all the monuments and museums many times. I've attended countless lectures by historians who specialize in the Witch Trials. Hell, when I walk down to get a boba, I pass right by the Salem Witch Trials Memorial. Carved into the rock are the names, execution dates, and victims' protests of innocence. The events are incredibly well documented
Let's see... criteria for being a witch... Having knowledge (usually of science), being able to read in Latin (or read at all), being considered attractive (because that is how you put spells on people to make them desire you, since that is the only reason a man would ever think about being attracted to someone), having a strong will, or a will of any kind, really, having new ideas, and being possessed of intelligence that goes beyond the smartest male in the village. Did I miss anything besides weighing as much as a duck or turning someone into a newt (even if they get better)?
W hen the crew is speaking in a different language, they are speaking (sort of) in mandarin chinese. The actors pronunciation was not always accurate. It was Joss Whedon's way of bad language getting past the censors.
You asked if it was a made up language no it is not. It is real. It is mandarin Chinese. Basically in the world, the two most dominant languages spoken was English and Mandarin. So like anyone learning another language, one of the first things they learn is swearing. This is why you hear the characters most of the time when they’re swearing they’re doing it in Mandarin.
They ran out of time to get into Shepherd Book's mysterious past, so you can get a comic called Shepherd's Tale that tells about it. River's perception is a bit strange. It's not total delusion because it's mixed with some precognition. But the way she describes it gets muddled through her mind, where the people or settings are changed in the way she describes it. So you can see that in other episodes that she talks about things that are happening or about to, but in a way that makes people around her not recognize what she's referring to. And she herself may not even understand what she's picturing in her mind.
That is young Zac Efron playing Simon...and they are speaking Mandarin Chinese slang, which became a secondary main language of the show, particularly for swearing.
I wish the series would have had the chance to flesh out Jaynes character. You do get to learn why money is so important to Jayne later in the series but would have loved a chance for more character advancement
The scenes where Jayne is taking Simons stuff and then returning it were added because the running time was short so Joss Whedon had Adam Baldwin improvise those two scenes. They were quickly written an Adam very little time to learn them. I also particularly like the scene between Simon and River when she is telling him she "gets confused" etc. It's one of the best scenes done with just the rwo of them. Also the scene where Mal tells Simon "You're on my crew. Why are we still talking about this. Chows in ten...no need to dress." The smile that comes from Simon... great facial acting..which all of the actors show throughout the series and the movie is exceptional. Best cast and casting of pretty much anything ever done. Am truly enjoying your reactions to this show;which I absolutely love. It will grow on you. When you are done, go back and watch them with the commentary. It adds a whole new insight into the overall essence of the show. Looking forward to the rest of your reactions. Peace...be safe.
Firefly is a type of vessel. Serenity is the specific name of this particular Firefly. The story is Joss named the series after the type of ship as opposed to the specific ship because he resented the influence the actors had in his other projects, i.e. Buffy/Angel. So he wanted everyone to know he was willing to blow up the whole ship and start over with a different ship and crew if he ever felt so inclined. Given what we now know about Joss and his "difficulties" in working with others I'd say the story makes sense. Tho ironically this series didn't last long enough for any problems to ever arise..
I believe at 2:18 *River* was just speaking gibberish. But the secondary language they often speak throughout the show in general is Mandarin. *EDIT:* I've seen _"Dangerous Beauty"_ and quite enjoyed it as well. I don't recall witch stuff, but it has been a while. 🤷🏼♂️ Great reaction, as usual. 😊
Not gibberish. It's Mandarin. She called Mal a "stupid son of a drooling whore and a monkey". That's why Mal said that she'd added cussing to her repertoire.
When River says daddy coming. She is referring to Mal. She sees him as father. because he protects his crew his family. funnny thing is most people are annoyed by Jane not River. River is both childlike, which is really a defense mechanism against what the government did to her, she can also read minds and hasn't learned how to filter them out yet. She also possibly able to see into the future a few minutes. As you see as the show goes on and in the movie. The type of ship is a firefly. Its name is Serinity. Whis is the name of the valley in the earlier episode.
"Yeah, but she's our witch. So cut her the hell down."
Apparently Mal agrees with you about witches. 🙂
Such a great line.
No argument or Dissuasion from his thinking just "she's ours"
"Daddy will come and take us Home" Daddy is now Mal and Serenity is Home..Their new family.
so many don't seem to get that lol
Yeah,she often talks in metaphor.
And it was Mal's distress when Book got shot that distressed her. River has a connection with Mal. We see it in things she does and says in a few scenes throughout the season and in the movie. They are subtle but definitely there
"What's that make us?"
"Big damn heroes sir!"
"Ain't we just!"
"Do you want to tear this family apart?"
"I didn't think it would be so easy."
The hero lines are my favorite in the entire series
The theme of _Firefly_ is civilized values versus frontier values: frontier values are better. This episode compares two "families". Civilized values are represented by the privileged Tam family. The Tam parents are so afraid of the Alliance government that they can't even admit that their daughter is being held and tortured in a government lab, and abandon their son when he tries to help her. In contrast, frontier values are represented by the Serenity's crew, who are more a "family" than the Tams' blood family. Even though the Shepherd is just a passenger, Mal risks his ship to get medical help from the Alliance cruiser. Then, in contrast to the Tam parents, he goes back to rescue Simon and River, even though as wanted fugitives they are a danger to him.
I personally disagree with Whedon's judgement: I think civilized countries with modern governments are a lot better and more moral than the brutal cowboy values found on a lawless frontier.
There was a lot planned for this series .. One thing Joss has said more than once is that every character on the ship had a secret that was going to be revealed over the course of the shows run. I really only know a few of them.. but they all have at least one they are harboring..
Lovely reaction! I am amused by everyone (including myself sometimes) in the comments trying to correct Kazzy on Adam Baldwin's name, answer questions, and various other things - considering these reactions were filmed some time ago and posted on "Patreon only" - none of our comments will change anything she says during the rest of her reactions, because she's done the whole show already. But hey, they do help the algorithm!
"We need the little girl to speak". That wouldn't really help them. Wouldn't change their minds against Rivers abilities being from a witch. And part of the main guys reason is because she knows he killed the other guy. Little girl speaking isn't going to change that.
The ship is a Firefly class transport. The ship's name is Serenity
Love the Chuck clip! I can't understand you thinking River is annoying at this point, but I think Summer Glau did an amazing job playing River and her struggles.
I really like you reactions but ... and it's just a suggestion but, you MIGHT enjoy the show even more if you stop reading the synopses BEFORE you watch the episode, because many of them are meant to get you to watch, but they are better if they are a surprise ... just sayin' ...
Jayne (Adam Baldwin, not Daniel) is NOT a member of the famous Baldwin family, which does include Alec, Daniel, William and Stephen. Also, as others have mentioned, Home is Serenity (the Firefly class/model ship) and Daddy is the head of their NOW family, meaning Mal. So, she is totally aware of things, but her words often have alternate meanings for those NOT in her head. After a while, you WILL learn to understand that she ALWAYS means what she says ... may not even understand them herself at the time, but she always means them.
"Daddy will come and take us home"
"Shepherd considers Serenity home". And so did River.
First, Thank you for the reaction. The ship is named Serenity. It is of the Firefly class of ships. They use Mandarin Chinese phrases (mostly cussing to get by censors) but the story line is The United States and China, the two great superpowers of the Earth, gradually formed a Anglo-Sino Alliance
They're breaking out into what is supposed to be Mandarin Chinese.... but... speaking as someone who's grown up hearing Chinese (Cantonese and Mandarin) ... their pronunciation is a bit ... off. They don't quite have the rhythm and tones correct -- at least, not for any modern Mandarin (who knows, a couple hundred years from now, pronunciations could have changed)
lol, Kazzy doesn't understand River's role in the show yet.
You should stop reading the summaries before the show.
I love the scene when River quickly learned all the local dance steps and within minutes became the center of attention as she was innovating new dance moves.
"Daddy will come and take us home" Daddy = Mal, Home = Serenity.
The problem with the Tam's parents = They have been indoctrinated by Fascism. In their eyes, River is safe because the Alliance knows what is best for all of us. Everyone must follow the rules without question. No one wants black marks on their social records. Why Simon doesn't understand this is very frustrating to the Tam Parents.
*Priorities:* Mal gambled that Simon & River should be safe for a later rescue while he gets Shepherd Book some urgent medical help. We can speculate that Mal's military background taught him guerilla war tactics (like how to hide in the hills). The Hill Folk are good at evading the townsfolk = similar tactics. This factored into why Mal knew there wasn't enough time to search for Simon. Probably also why Mal was able to find Simon & River as quickly as he did.
River steals Jayne's dinner roll off his plate. She intentionally sat next to Jayne. Perhaps she intended "payback" because she knew Jayne had earlier stolen Simon's things.
Mal to Jayne about moving cattle: "They move just as easy if you lead them."
Jayne to Mal: "I like smackin' 'em."
This dialog exchange sums up how they lead a crew as well. It calls back to "The Train Job" when Jayne told Wash "Do you know what the rutten chain of command is? It's the chain I get to beat you with ... "
Firefly is the class of ship. Serenity is the name of the ship. Mal named the ship Serenity because it's the last battle they fought against the Alliance.
You threw in a *CHUCK* reference! ❤ I think I know only a couple people who barely know anything about that show.
A later show featuring Adam Baldwin that’s worth watching is “The Last Ship.” I was surprised how much I liked it, it’s more than it looks at first glance.
And, hey…be well. 🖖🏼
Chuck was a classic.
everyone on firefly speaks mandarin chinese.
The more I watch this episode, the higher it rates for me. I love the scene where River dances, and the way it is cut with the encounter at the corral is great. Also, this one really hits on themes of home and family, and cements the idea that the Serenity crew is a family.
This was the first episode that I realized Summer Glau was a pretty girl made up to look like a crazy person. River picked up the locals dance after watching for a few moments. The same way in a previous episode she mimicked Badger’s accent and read him like a grade school book.
7:15 I think River was feeling Mal's emotional reaction to seeing Shepherd's gunshot wound. She is very sensitive to emotions and more so to strong ones!
Agreed
Though I've always thought River has a special connection with Mal
Careful now, cuz your annoyance with River & your wish for Simon to have a life of his own might just drive her off the ship to become just another object in space..😉 The good part of your anti-River bias is that you can't seem to put your finger on it. So she/her situation resonates with you albeit in a way that makes you feel uncomfortable. Sign of a strong movie/series character.
My guess would be that - for the moment - she may represent the loss of personal control due to neurological damage. She'll grow on you, same as Jayne will. And you/your views might evolve in the process as well. Cheers from Amsterdam!
4:27 Simon Tam sticking his foot in his mouth since age 10.
This scene though I couldn't really get too upset at Simon. Seeing it from his point of view. He was in a bad mood from earlier with Mal. He was just spilling his frustrations on the wrong person. He immediately regrets it afterwords, feels guilt and shame for hurting Kaylee.
Well, it seems you have a crush on the brother , 😉and that leads you to misjudge poor River.Lol river is by far away the coolest character on the show and you’re gonna find that out.
I love watching this show with you Kazzy
18:30
There's something about all of these actors in Firefly, Buffy, Dollhouse, and Angel swirling around each other and feeding off of their chemistry with each other despite being in different shows that makes me happy.
Same! Is Dollhouse good? I haven't seen it
@@seanmcmurphy4744It's pretty good. It's two seasons, and two tv movies. One movie after each season. You'll notice a ton of other actors and actresses that spend a lot of time also in the Whedon projects, like Dichen Lachmann and Envar Gjovaj from Agents of Shield, Amy Acker and Alexis Denisof from Angel and, Alan Tudyk, Summer Glau, to say nothing of Eliza Dushku. Adam Baldwin from Firefly worked with Whedon on several occasions and he said once that Whedon was tough and lost his temper when things did not go his way, but that Whedon did not even come close to Stanley Kubrick difficulty when Adam was Animal Mother in Full Metal Jacket. So, it seems to me Whedon is difficult to work with but remembers the actors that can handle his style.
And that is a REALY YOUNG Zac Efron in his first TV role (and I think first role period).
The language is Mandarin. The Chinese Empires/Kingdoms of old used one common written pictograph language to bind the empire(s) bureaucracy together, but continued speak their local languages which in many cases were mutually unintelligible. One of my best friends spoke Cantonese, but does not understand a lick of Mandarin
Throughout the whole season, the Chinese used mixes Cantonese and Mandarin
@@matthewtyler-jones8317 Thanks! I know the historical context well. Merely being a knowitall parrot on the actual spoken phrases, LOL.
That language is Chinese. Mandarin mostly.
She missed the almost obligatory line towards the beginning "Is that ..."!
I know!
Finallly!!!! Someone DIDN"T say it!
(Hey, didja know when Aragorn kicked that helmet he...)
All the show swearing is Mandarin to get around Fox censors. I don't know if Simon and River are speaking that. At least when Simon gets scolded. I suspect.
It's perfectly alright to be annoyed by River, although I think perhaps that "frustrated" might be a better word. She seems to understand things differently from everyone else, including us. That said, at least so far, just about every apparently nonsensical thing she's said has proved to be true, as Obi Wan would say, "from a certain point of view."
It's perfecty alright to be annoyed by River... if you are thick like Jayne😂
They're trying to speak Mandarin (Chinese), usually butchering it in the process.
'Dangerous Beauty' is a wonderful movie. It perfectly captures how men's overt power in the world has been influenced and even dominated by women's covert power of the heart. Well played, indeed.
There are some glossaries online that translate the Chinese phrases...it's mostly cussing and insults.
There's at least one UA-cam channel where a native Chinese speaker(who isn't familiar with the context of Firefly) puzzles over the grammar and pronunciation.
It's amusing.
They mix in some Chinese to illustrate how the citizens of earth weren't just English speaking I guess it implies a kinda pidgen language
I wish you wouldn’t read a description of the episode before watching it. It spoils some of the plot for you.
River isn't delusional... she just sees things differently. At 12:20 when she refers to daddy and home she doesn't mean her elitist parents she means the ship, and Mal. If you were to write out everything she says and analyst it... well after the fact, there is very little she says that doesn't ring true once you factor in her view of things.
A lot that she says is cryptic in the moment, but can/will make sense given time and perspective. However the show didn't get "time" being cancelled so quickly, some of her actions... may have needed insight from a future that never came.
Understandable that you are annoyed with the character of River. However, in this episode we got to see that River is a victim of something, but we don't yet know what. In time with this series, I think your empathy will overtake your annoyance with this character.
Adam Baldwin not Daniel Baldwin. ❤
It's a variation of Chinese.
Jane played by Adam Baldwin
Jane is Adam Baldwin.
You can find translations of all the mandarin dialogue pretty readily. My favorite from this episode is when Jayne confronts Mal with Vera, Mal says, “exploding diarrhea of an elephant.”
The language they're speaking in Chinese.
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The language is Chinese. The idea was that the 2 most used languages on Earth became so common that they just merged together.
Dangerous Beauty is one of my favorite films. I'm a Rufus Sewell fan because of it. But watched it because I loved Catherine McCormack from Braveheart.
Zac Efron was the young DR
Serenity is the Name of the ship. Firefly is the ship Class.
With Mal, Crew = Family.
Hey girl, this has always been one of my favorites. A lot of fun, an to your question about what language she was speaking, is a mix between.. English an Chinese an alittle bit of other languages, because they were the Powers at the time of the Exodus from earth. Great reaction ❤️ love ya mean it 😎😊
I've noticed quite a few reactors coming down a little hard on River. She's essentially recovering from an abduction/abuse situation of unknown severity... it's gonna take a while for her to come back firing on all cylinders. :)
I noticed the same. It weirds me out tbh. What's going on with this lack of compassion and empathy in this generation?😢😢😢
It's Episode 5. Maybe some of your questions will be answered in future episodes.
Will Simon ever learn to talk to girls? Will Book ever reveal his secret for growing big luscious strawberries? Will we ever find out why River is so whimsical in the brain pan? For the answer to these and other questions, be sure to tune in next week for ....
River always liked to Dance...=)
I would avoid reading or looking up what the episodes are about just because the surprise of them is just as important as the story itself
"Safe": Jayne loves smackin' the stock as they move into an improvised corral. The crew goes window shopping on Jiangyin, Simon continues to have foot-in-mouth disease, and River wanders off and finds a dance. The cattle sale goes South, which turns into a gun battle, Shepherd Book gets caught in the cross fire, and Simon is abducted by hill people. Mal takes off to find medical help for Book, and River finds Simon. At an Alliance cruiser, Book's ID magically opens the medical ER, the Tams try to fit in, but River reveals too many community secrets and is denounced as a Witch. Just as Simon is about to be roasted, Jayne "hangs out," and the Big Damn Heroes get "our witch" back, On "Serenity," Simon finds out where they stand with Mal. An out-of-season observation: Every time a UA-cam viewer falls in love with "Firefly," a Fox TV executive falls off the Nakatomi Plaza building.;)
Also watched Firefly original broadcast on Fox, damaged, holy shit, I'm old.😂😅😢
The ships name is Serenity, it's a Firefly class ship.
Dangerous Beauty is one of my top 5 , think I might have recommended it before.
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The language is Chinese, and they used it to bypass the Censors. They also put a backstory to it, to explain why. (US and China were the last superpowers before "Earth That Was" was left behind, so even the least educated knows some Chinese), something I really don't see alot in most shows. Also, you mentioned in a previous episode that you wanted to know about Shephard Book. There is a book out that is his backstory, and how he ended up a Shephard, or so I was told.
"I had to walk through that door which goes on my permanent record "
Get ready for CBDC (central bank digital currency).
I mean, I'm just saying.
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When River was talking about Daddy coming for them she wasn't referring to her father. As you saw she was talking about Malcom
Dangerous Beauty is a great movie with a not-so-great title.
It always irritates me when people are annoyed by River. She's obviously deeply traumatized and can't function the way she normally would. Weird.
Its a Firefly class ship named "Serenity"
What language? If you watch the cargo they are stealing in the Train Job, you will notice the "Alliance" flag on the crates is a Chinese/American mixed flag. The Alliance is actually an aliance between the USA and China... not just the allied planets.
Dangerous Beauty. Fell in love with Catherine McCormack. Way back in the 1990s.
Dude,. It was really difficult-I had to move my fingers and all and type in Firefly langage-but I found out that the langue du Firefly is Mandarin.. Also, Daddy, metaphor for Mal coming to pick up his children, his crew…Boy those metaphors and allegories are a pain in the bottom, n’est-ce pas??Whedon’s characters, like those of great art in general such as the films of Hitch, are complex. They aren’t the mythic fairy tale characters of kiddie film, TV, and books…Dangerous Beauty is very underrated...
Kaylee view’s Serenity much like Scotty of the original generation Star Trek show did. Call me or the Captain anything you like but woe betides you if you even inadvertently make a disparaging remark about their ships. Scotty started an “international incident” because a Klingon called the Enterprise a garbage scow.
River will not disappoint you. Hang in there. :-)
It's broken Chinese they are speaking. You see, in the future only two superpowers exist, China and the US. China and the US decide to form an alliance, the sino-anglo alliance. Both cultures fuse together and that's why you see Chinese things in the show.
It's a Firefly vessel. That type of ship is a Firefly. Its name is Serenity.
Haha, I actually saw Dangerous Beuty in the theater when it first came out, great movie.
Totally normal to find characters annoying. I actually like it when there's some in the crew that rub us the wrong way. For example - I've always found Jayne to be a complete jerk. Yes - with a redemption arc and more complexity than being a jerk just to hurt people. But still. A jerk. Its more interesting when I find myself respecting something Jayne does or the growth he makes despite my dislike for him.
River? More chaotic than a bag of mad ferrets. That ain't a kind of whimsy that endears to all types.
Simon and River seem to share a familial trait; they can't keep their feet out of their mouths
it's amazing tho that simon is the one who gets in the most trouble over it, considering that river never seems to wear shoes and there's no telling what's all over her feet.
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Actually the Salem witch trials only involved 19 accused people and only one died and that was not by the hands of her accusers. It has totally been blown out of proportion. I can't speak about Europe.
Over 200 people were accused, of those, 54 confessed and 30 were found guilty. Nineteen were hanged. One person, Giles Corey, was pressed to death because he wouldn't enter a plea. If I remember right, another person died in prison awaiting trial, and at least one more after sentencing. The greatest tragedy isn't that 20+ people died, and many more lost everything they owned, including their standing in the community. The real tragedy is how easily this all happened and how fickle justice can be. Religious fervor, political instability, and economic disparity is a dangerous mix.
Most of that info is wrong. But I have no dog in this hunt.@@RickLeMon
@@fullmoonprepping4024 I live in Salem. I've been to all the monuments and museums many times. I've attended countless lectures by historians who specialize in the Witch Trials. Hell, when I walk down to get a boba, I pass right by the Salem Witch Trials Memorial. Carved into the rock are the names, execution dates, and victims' protests of innocence. The events are incredibly well documented
Let's see... criteria for being a witch... Having knowledge (usually of science), being able to read in Latin (or read at all), being considered attractive (because that is how you put spells on people to make them desire you, since that is the only reason a man would ever think about being attracted to someone), having a strong will, or a will of any kind, really, having new ideas, and being possessed of intelligence that goes beyond the smartest male in the village. Did I miss anything besides weighing as much as a duck or turning someone into a newt (even if they get better)?
W hen the crew is speaking in a different language, they are speaking (sort of) in mandarin chinese. The actors pronunciation was not always accurate. It was Joss Whedon's way of bad language getting past the censors.
To River Daddy = Mal and home is Serenity.
The show and the movie’s culture is steeped in Chinese culture as well as old west culture.
You asked if it was a made up language no it is not. It is real. It is mandarin Chinese. Basically in the world, the two most dominant languages spoken was English and Mandarin. So like anyone learning another language, one of the first things they learn is swearing. This is why you hear the characters most of the time when they’re swearing they’re doing it in Mandarin.
They ran out of time to get into Shepherd Book's mysterious past, so you can get a comic called Shepherd's Tale that tells about it.
River's perception is a bit strange. It's not total delusion because it's mixed with some precognition. But the way she describes it gets muddled through her mind, where the people or settings are changed in the way she describes it.
So you can see that in other episodes that she talks about things that are happening or about to, but in a way that makes people around her not recognize what she's referring to. And she herself may not even understand what she's picturing in her mind.
That is young Zac Efron playing Simon...and they are speaking Mandarin Chinese slang, which became a secondary main language of the show, particularly for swearing.
"Witch" vs. "Messiah" -- two sides of the same coin!
I wish the series would have had the chance to flesh out Jaynes character. You do get to learn why money is so important to Jayne later in the series but would have loved a chance for more character advancement
Jayne is Adam Baldwin. He was also on the long running serious "Chuck".
I’m sure that’s news to her. The fact that she had a Chuck scene with Adam and Summer in the video doesn’t mean she knows Adam was on Chuck.
Farscape! You must see Farscape someday!
River’s parents sold River down the river so to speak.
The scenes where Jayne is taking Simons stuff and then returning it were added because the running time was short so Joss Whedon had Adam Baldwin improvise those two scenes. They were quickly written an Adam very little time to learn them.
I also particularly like the scene between Simon and River when she is telling him she "gets confused" etc. It's one of the best scenes done with just the rwo of them.
Also the scene where Mal tells Simon "You're on my crew. Why are we still talking about this. Chows in ten...no need to dress." The smile that comes from Simon... great facial acting..which all of the actors show throughout the series and the movie is exceptional. Best cast and casting of pretty much anything ever done.
Am truly enjoying your reactions to this show;which I absolutely love.
It will grow on you.
When you are done, go back and watch them with the commentary. It adds a whole new insight into the overall essence of the show.
Looking forward to the rest of your reactions.
Peace...be safe.
its a firefly class ship, this specific firefly is named serenity
It is my opinion that Book is a used to be Alliance assassin.
the ship is a firefly class ship. it is named serenity.
Jayne Cobb is played by Adam Baldwin.
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The ship type is firefly, the name is serenity.
Firefly is a type of vessel. Serenity is the specific name of this particular Firefly. The story is Joss named the series after the type of ship as opposed to the specific ship because he resented the influence the actors had in his other projects, i.e. Buffy/Angel. So he wanted everyone to know he was willing to blow up the whole ship and start over with a different ship and crew if he ever felt so inclined. Given what we now know about Joss and his "difficulties" in working with others I'd say the story makes sense. Tho ironically this series didn't last long enough for any problems to ever arise..
I believe at 2:18 *River* was just speaking gibberish. But the secondary language they often speak throughout the show in general is Mandarin.
*EDIT:* I've seen _"Dangerous Beauty"_ and quite enjoyed it as well. I don't recall witch stuff, but it has been a while. 🤷🏼♂️
Great reaction, as usual. 😊
Not gibberish. It's Mandarin. She called Mal a "stupid son of a drooling whore and a monkey". That's why Mal said that she'd added cussing to her repertoire.
When River says daddy coming. She is referring to Mal. She sees him as father. because he protects his crew his family. funnny thing is most people are annoyed by Jane not River. River is both childlike, which is really a defense mechanism against what the government did to her, she can also read minds and hasn't learned how to filter them out yet. She also possibly able to see into the future a few minutes. As you see as the show goes on and in the movie. The type of ship is a firefly. Its name is Serinity. Whis is the name of the valley in the earlier episode.
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Adam Baldwin ;)
The preacher has a secret past. Imo maybe he was a high ranking alliance official before he transitioned into being a shepherd
And then again, maybe he wasn't.
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