Building Large Battery Systems using a DC PowerStrip
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Those programmable inverters look pretty sweet! Glad you went with them, so there's no problem meeting code, or overloading a circuit breaker.
The larger cables at the end of the PCB will get hotter than the same size cables that are a couple inches inboard because there's more copper on the PCB to be a heat sink for the inboard connections. The ones at the edge have current coming from only one direction, and less area to dissipate heat. The inbound one has only one XT60 connector at the end, so that little strip of copper can draw heat away from the solder joint.
There are two things that you can do to the PCB to lower the temperature: add more heat sink material, or lower the resistance of the circuit. Thicker copper traces will do it, so will tinning the traces, especially with silver solder. You could even solder some strips of copper over the traces where heating is greatest. Copper has good electrical conductivity and thermal conductivity, so win-win.
The output connector in the end is drawing all the power from one direction while the other output is drawing the power from both sides as you have two batteries connected to the right on the first power strip. With an output being in the middle the PCB tracks only have to provide half the current from each side whereas the output in the end will draw all the current from one side. Having an output connector in the middle also allows for heat dissipation to both sides of the PCB and in total I believe that is why you saw the different temperatures.
Love it how you casually say 32 is your ambient temp. Great videos
Been watching your videos for a while. Finally bought the start pcb kit and an additional set and extra batteries to make a double one.
This is perfect if you want to slowly expand your battery banks over several months. Build a small battery, start using it. Build more small batteries as you can afford the components. Plug in each new battery as soon as you finish building it.
Modular design
Great video. Your battery game is ON POINT!
I love this idea, but I would be more interested in a higher gauge wire for the output. You'd want to then have a "mother" DC powerstrip to connect the larger strips and go to 4/0 to feed into solar inverters.
time for Anderson connectors
I don't understand Jehu? Why not run batteries series/parallel? Respectfully 👍 Thumbs up and subscribed!
Great video Jehu. your thermal cam time stamp says 4:30 am🥱😴.
Thanks for sharing your time with us!
Hello and Greets from Germany - Berlin .
Thank you for this Test on this Grid-Limited-Inverters.
This setup is me favorit for me at Home Powerwall.
its not good you need make strong bus bar to be save
I was about to say you need to get closer to the strip and the battery Bank to know how hot it really is
Didnt read carefully. I expected to see packs plugged into a 120v power strip lol
So I guess you don't need to solder the v1 to v10 positives together like the booster pack videos you did for the bluetti? How does a bms work like with the daly in this setup?
I hope Lithium batteries could be a thing in Kenya my country. Hopefully soon.
Hey bro me pia ni fan but hakuna sources za lithium batteries huku,let's give time ama tafta license then order from the US ama china
@@kipdennis3796 Wow! Sasa Msee. Yenyewe Lithium hazipatikani Kenya. Na zenye ziko ni either recycled from old laptops ama fakes from China. Sad sana.
How can you charge with dc power strip I got one from jag35 please help building a power wall newbie
How many scooter packs would you need to make a solar generator?
There are electric safety rules to size your wires according to current, so they don’t heat up and burn. #10 wire will only support 30A.
Love your battery system ... Are you using standard 1 ounce copper in the PCBs? Or opted for 2 ounce because of the higher currents?
It seems to me it would be a good idea for you to sell the scooter battery packs populated with batteries that have already been tested rather than a DIY'r having to purchase all the testing equipment if they're only going to build a battery pack once. Being able to purchase known good, tested batteries would be much more economical for the typical DIY'r that just wants to build a powerwall or 2 for their own use. Also some kind of board that uses compression springs and fits on top and below those scooter battery packs using the screws to hold them together and maybe some kind of stiffening backing plate so you can get enough compression would be a really good idea to make it way easier to build ready to go battery packs
Sounds like u should just buy a pre-built powerwall
@@MrSteewped no fun in that
Maybe I am going to sound crazy but it is the direction I have thought to go in, I have only just found your site and its sparked ideas... Im looking for something like this, but works like the backplane of a hard drive nas unit that instead of hard drives I would be able to slot in/out long slim (eg. ebike batteries that already have a BMS) batteries. Does that make sense? Like a NAS with Hard Drives, but instead a box where you can insert, swap out, hot swap other battery packs. DO you have something like this please?
Where are those scooter batteries for sale? I don't see them on your website. There are some scooter batteries there, but have different color cells, and no xt60 connectors.
I like Anderson Powerpole connectors better. They are genderless. For applications up to about 45A and 10AWG. Once you figure out how to get the orientation right they are a breeze to install - no soldering.
True that
Cool video 👍👍👍
How evenly does it load those batteries? I'd expect from the design that the higher the load the higher the percentage will be drawn from the packs nearest to the output connector.
Can you test that exact system using Anderson Power Pole? I think you might have better connector performance using that connector. Yes XT60 is what is used on most packs, but I think you are getting a lot of resistance with these connectors which is causing them to heat up.
Just a thought. Would any type of "conductive grease" mitigate the heat problem?
Hey jehugarcia ,when whil you be able for sending some stuff to Europa,I have many clients here on my island where that kind of portable pack are very useful, thanks and big hello from Island Korčula
Good stuff. Do you have a link to the meter you’re using at 4:00?
I think you should be able to get it on Aliexpress. Search "DC meter"
Hello Jehu, I have a 12V SLA UPS (with a dead battery) and I was wondering if it would be possible to replace it with an 18650 battery pack with a BMS. I understand that SLA charging has specific characteristics that may not be desirable or appropriate for lithium-ion cells but would it be safe to assume that the 18650 BMS would filter the unwanted characteristics so that there would be no issues with the operation of the UPS?
No no and no. Plent of discussions on this.
A 4s LiFePo4 battery pack will have similar voltage requirements to the 12V SLA. Use a BMS on the 4S battery. Note that LiFePO4 batteries are different than the typical 18650 Li Ion batteries. They have a 3.2V nominal voltage, 3.6 max charge voltage. For example A123 or Headway.
Are the Gerber files available for these anywhere? Thanks for all your work, Jehu.
@jehugarcia are you charging those packs through the PowerStrip as well? I'm assembling my pack for use in a golf cart and I'm hoping I can use the PowerStrip for charging and for connecting the load
Hey Jehu, could you show details and explain, what adaptor you used at your power supply, which one do you use and recommend for a 7S pack (may be meanwell?) and how you connect your DROK Hallsensor measurement?
I'm building up a smaller pack with MH1 batteries but need a 230V AC-DC power supply which handles more than 20A charge current. I use a BMS with RS232 output.
I need a inspiration for how to connect all stuff nice :)
It also will be nice, if you can suggest stuff, which i can buy outside of america, shipping and customs to germany are currently bad. That's why i want to buy your strips for sure, but last time I had to pay >100 € to customs for an 300€ order. May be, you can sell cour Kicad/Eagle files for self production?
How do i store my scooter batteries until you figure out how to use the inboard BMS. The batteries i bought were the 1st ones with all the leads clipped
Make sure they are above 3v or 30v overall
Hey there. Please consider a video on a 6S 40p or higher 300A bms. I looked at the supplier you link to but they don't have 6S. They did email me back that they could custom make a 7S into a 6S I am using tesla S packs and your 40 cell packs for 6S 24v inverters and don't have a high amp BMS solution
What are the Blue Inverter for a Type and can i adjust the power Output manually maybe 200 or 250 Watt and the inverter reduced the Output to configured value?
What does "Populated" mean ? "Getting 52 amps" What does that mean. Your charging it or your drawing it from the batts ?
Populated means fully assembled. Though about the amps I was confused too, not sure whether he’s charging or discharging the batteries..
Are you going to get the SOC meter modules back in stock?
No, that product is discontinued
@@jehugarcia oh got it, thanks for the quick response
Jehu, sorry another quick question, your thoughts in soldering xt90 pigtails instead of the xt60's
Can you please export Lithium ion cells to India
I want this with XT90
Can be made
is there any way to take these packs and run 2 of them as a 72 volt system needing help with an e bike project
Easy. Hook the Positive of one pack to the negative of the other. Use the free + AND - as your bike battery source
Cool 👍
I have been seing a lot of powerpacks that looks just like your in aliexpress
link please
@@dralusion support the creator not the Chinese rip off.
Can Lithium ion cells export to India
Bought 18 scooter batteries l want to do a 48v powerwall. Probably get another 10 batteries but have no idea how to configure. Just heard ya say l could connect 14 to make 48v so lm thinking putting them in parallel 🤔
You’d have to take them apart reconfigure and put them back together at 14s
Or 14 of them at 1s
@@jehugarcia ok ...14 at 1s. I'll buy another ten. Seen the video with the jumper for the batteries with the connectors im gussing the one i purchase will have the connectors. I know you are working on being able to use the BMS that come with the battery pack. Will I be able to solder a connection To the packs that had the wires clipped to use the on board BMS once you get it working?
It looks like your using the BMS that came with the scooter packs? but the big powerwall they are all hooked together with one BMS, is that correct and if so what is the best why? I have 10 and have already pulled off the BMS and was going to hook them all together with one tiny BMS s516, any thoughts? Thanks
Using the original bms is best as is less work, but I still don’t have the controllers to share with everyone
@@jehugarcia Thanks... But should I put a NEW small BMS on each and plug & play all 10 or maybe in groups of two I like the flexibility of putting 5 on or 6,7,8,9 or 10 depending on the need. Also I use the same GTI been working great!
Use one big bms it’s easier
@@jehugarcia Thanks, yeah the tiny BMS has a ton of options too.
Can u make one of these extension for my 1800 patriot generator to boost my power thank u
Thoughts and comments on this: igg.me/at/ls5/x#/
All your DIY stuff is trial and error work. You can't figure out why you have issues, but an engineer could spot it immediately. 60C = 140F, which is too hot to touch. That's dangerous.
140f is not too hot to touch, unless you have sensitive hands. Do you?
www.jm.com/en/blog/2015/february/too-hot-to-handle/ "the average person can touch a 140°F surface for up to five seconds without sustaining irreversible burn damage" so just don't touch it for more than five seconds...lol
Sorry man, but your usual impeccable delivery is not present in this video, and I found the message lost. A shame.
Why do Americans leave the "l" out of solder?
Guys help me raise money so I can buy me that inverter. I take aluminum cans and gold.